I couldn't have said it better myself.

Don't have a prayer? Until a federal judge says otherwise. If faith can't intrude on the state then the state can't intrude on faith.

Never had sex? With women sure, but it sure spent a lott of effort protecting pedofiles over providing moral clarity and justice for all those little boys

If faith can't intrude on the state then the state can't intrude on faith.

#2 | Posted by schwit

stupid teabagger. Faith is a personal thing and has nothing whatsoever to do with the state or the federal gov'ts.

Like you guys like to say, 'if you don't like it, go to another country'.

Ywan... Still pretending that birth control is medically necessary.

This is the most sense I've seen on this board in perhaps...ever.

"Still pretending that birth control is medically necessary."

Just to see if you're tethered to reality, can you name three examples where birth control IS a medical necessity?

Not only is it a medical necessity (in some cases), but it is a social, moral and economic necessity also.

We are not cavemen anymore. We live in apartments and cities. We don't die anymore because we don't even know germs exist.

You can say what you want to about the dynamics of living in a civilized society, but breeding uncontrollably is one thing that will not be tolerated in the future. It comes down to the very existence of the human race.

stupid teabagger. Faith is a personal thing and has nothing whatsoever to do with the state or the federal gov'ts.

Like you guys like to say, 'if you don't like it, go to another country'.

#4 | Posted by Lipzoidial

Stupid lib, do you believe in the constitution?

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

#9 | Posted by Sniper

I know you won't retain this knowledge, because you don't want to, but i'm not a lib. I am an independent.

So, you believe that a corporation trying to avoid normal and accepted social expenses somehow equates to 'establishment of religion'?

You should be glad I am not president. The first thing i would do is strip religious corporations of their tax-exempt status. Because by your own definition, gov't is engaged in reverse-discrimination by allowing religious political organizations to enjoy a tax advantage.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

#9 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Oh look! A Constitutional scholar! ...a bad Constitutional scholar...

Congress and the States have made all kinds of laws burdening religion but not prohibiting its free exercise.

And this law isn't even directed at a religion. It's a broad-based, uniform law.

Hell, this thing is so Constitutional, it's already the law in half the damn states.

I don't understand. Are you Conservatives on here that stupid? I mean ESPECIALLY regarding the Constitution, which you claim to love and understand?

Are you Conservatives on here that stupid? I mean ESPECIALLY regarding the Constitution, which you claim to love and understand?

#11 | Posted by Sycophant

They are not stupid, they are just mis-guided. There are two facts they simply can't come to grips with;

1) the 1st Admendment was an admendment.
2) religion is dying a natural death.

welcome to the 21st century.

"Do you not notice the dramatically shrinking numbers in your church pews?"

Catholic population (self-identified, survey-based)
48.5m 1965
54.5m 1975
59.5m 1985
65.7m 1995
71.7m 2000
74.0m 2005
77.7m 2011

Clergy has decreased, but the Catholic pews are far from dwindling.

"Just to see if you're tethered to reality, can you name three examples where birth control IS a medical necessity?"

Whether you care to acknowledge reality or not, the drug is not used for medical reasons in the overwhelming majority of cases. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. Facts are facts.

What kinds of medical conditions can be helped with birth control pills?

Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS): is a hormonal imbalance which causes irregular menstrual periods, acne, and excess hair growth. Birth control pills work by lowering certain hormone levels to regulate menstrual periods. When hormone levels are decreased to normal, acne and hair growth often improve.

Endometriosis: Most girls with endometriosis have cramps or pelvic pain during their menstrual cycle. Birth control pills are often prescribed to treat endometriosis and work by temporarily preventing periods. When hormonal treatment is prescribed continuously, young women will rarely have periods, or not at all. Since periods can cause pain for young women with endometriosis, stopping periods will usually improve cramps and pelvic pain.

Lack of periods (“amenorrhea”) from low weight, stress, excessive exercise, or damage to the ovaries from radiation or chemotherapy: With any of these conditions, the hormone “estrogen” is not made in normal amounts by the body. Birth control pills may be prescribed to replace estrogen, which helps to regulate the menstrual cycle. For girls whose menstrual periods are irregular (too few - or not at all), birth control pills can help to regulate the menstrual cycle to every 28 days and provide the body with normal amounts of estrogen. Normal estrogen levels are important for healthy bones.

Menstrual Cramps: When over-the-counter medications don't help with severe cramps, birth control pills may be the solution because they prevent ovulation and lighten periods.

Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS): Symptoms of PMS such as mood swings, breast soreness, and bloating, along with acne can occur up to 2 weeks before a young women's period. Birth control pills may be prescribed to stop ovulation and keep hormone levels balanced. Symptoms may improve, particularly when oral contraceptive pills are prescribed continuously.

Heavy Menstrual Periods: Birth control pills can reduce the amount and length of menstrual bleeding.

Acne: For moderate to severe acne, which over-the-counter and prescription medications haven't cured, birth control pills may be prescribed. The hormones in the Pill can help stop acne from forming. Be patient though, since it takes several months for birth control pills to work.

Other Medical Benefits

Because there is less menstrual bleeding when taking birth control pills, you are less likely to get anemia (low number of red blood cells, which carry oxygen from the lungs to the tissues). Birth control pills lower your chance of getting endometrial (lining of the uterus) cancer, ovarian cancer, and ovarian cysts.

"but breeding uncontrollably is one thing that will not be tolerated in the future"

This really has nothing to do with my objection. But I find this comment highly disturbing. Other people's "breeding" is none of your business.

This really has nothing to do with my objection. But I find this comment highly disturbing. Other people's "breeding" is none of your business.

#16 | Posted by Sully at 2012-02-17 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Or at least that is what many people say when it comes to homosexuals lack of breeding in their relationship

Diablo - church attendance is at 22%. Hardly a vote of confidence in the Church.

"Whether you care to acknowledge reality or not, the drug is not used for medical reasons in the overwhelming majority of cases. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. Facts are facts."

And the fact is you're a moron who just pretended there aren't any medically necessary uses for birth control.

Most of the conservatives don't honestly have religious objections to birth control being supplied to women through their health insurers, if they were honest they would admit that what is really bothering them is that Barack Obama has kicked their collective asses on this issue and many others these last six months or so and now it is looking like he may just get a second term and the Dems may even regain control of the Hours.
This is all about politics even including the Bishops.

Other people's "breeding" is none of your business.

#16 | Posted by Sully at 2012-02-17 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Or at least that is what many people say when it comes to homosexuals lack of breeding in their relationship

#17 | Posted by ExpsRedemption at 2012-02-17 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Or when righties start talking about welfare-ask Graciedazed about them welfare baby factories

Some govrnment haters take the reasoned Obama birth control stance as an assault on their first amendment religion rights. Quite the contrary. Wimping out on this issue would be government unconstitutionally promoting a religion. herm

I don't need to prove anything to anyone. Facts are facts.

#14 | Posted by Sully

"I don't have facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that...."

"whatnow"? They've been saying it for a thousand years. It's hardly a new development.

But if Obama is your Messiah, then the centuries-old dictates of the Roman Catholic Church, naturally, must be rewritten. And on the Left, He certainly is.

I remember Obama's creepy interview when he was asked if he believed in sin, and he said yes. Sin was "being out of alignment with my values". Which means, that if I'M out of alignment with the values of Barack Hussein Obama, I'm in sin.

Let us please be rid of this douchenozzle in the White House. Quickly.

Ywan... Still pretending that birth control is medically necessary.

Medicare says it is.
You don't.
Do the math.

"Let us please be rid of this douchenozzle in the White House. Quickly."

Let us please be rid of this doucheoccle Rightisright. The quicklier the better. herm

remember Obama's creepy interview when he was asked if he believed in sin, and he said yes. Sin was "being out of alignment with my values". Which means, that if I'M out of alignment with the values of Barack Hussein Obama, I'm in sin.

It doesn't mean that at all.

It means that if you are out of alignment with your own beliefs you are not balanced in your heart and soul and you are sinning against yourself and therefore sinning against God.

You need a better church if they haven't explained that to you yet.

Sin was "being out of alignment with my values". Which means, that if I'M out of alignment with the values of Barack Hussein Obama, I'm in sin.

Hahah, that is a hilarious interpretation, but what Obama was saying was how he can tell when he himself is sinning.
He was answering a personal question from the appropriate personal frame of reference.
Obama does not believe it's a sin to vote R, or to stay home on election day.
(That last one might be borderline, as apathy is a sin, though people could stay home for other reasons, like disgust.)

So, you believe that a corporation trying to avoid normal and accepted social expenses somehow equates to 'establishment of religion'?

#10 | Posted by Lipzoidial

Requiring a religous organazation to do something that is against their church doctrine is the question under the first amendment. Why should everyone be furnished "FREE" cock rubbers? Do you expect a free oil change when you buy auto insurance or is insurance there to cover you from unexpected expenses? Insurance is NOT something to cover your everyday needs. That is assuming that cock rubbers are an everyday need.

To take it one step farther, the government doesn't have the authority to tell me what I have to buy in order to live in the USA.

How about they tell YOU that you have to buy all your fuel from Shell? Buying fuel is an 'accepted social expense' so I guess you HAVE to buy it from Shell. How about you have to buy an electric car from Government Motors? Would you find that acceptable? Buying a car is an 'accepted social expense'.

Your arguement made as much sense as most of dik/dok's posts.

Requiring a religous organazation to do something that is against their church doctrine is the question under the first amendment.

Insurance companies are first and foremost insurance companies, not religious organizations.