There's an "agent" who needs a hefty pay raise. It's scandalous that such an important representative of our federal government has to squeak by on $124,000 in salary and benefits. Imagine if these poor children had to make do on a turkey sandwich, banana and chips instead of 3 chicken nuggets.

On to the next $15 trillion!

FASCISM. First, Michelle starts talking about nutrition education. People who complain are "overreacting." Then she and bloomberg start banning transfats and potatoes from lunches and whatever. Critics are still "overreacting." Now we have federal inspectors rifling through your 4 year old's lunch and judging you as parent. Next step in incrementalism? Government mandated lunches and fitness tests.

This is SICK, SICK government control and every single American should be absolutely outraged. Either you are your child's parent, or the state is. This food police shit is a blatant step towards tyranny.

"FASCISM."

Look up Fascism, this isn't it. I object just as vehemently to this intrusion into the private lives of people though. Though not Fascism, it is bull shit.

1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Government inspectors rifling through your child's lunch to ensure proper nutrition, and fining you if it doesn't meet federal guidelines? What the hell do you call it, then?

The state knows best.

~~~demwit/libtards

FASCISM. First, Michelle starts talking about nutrition education. People who complain are "overreacting." Then she and bloomberg start banning transfats and potatoes from lunches and whatever. Critics are still "overreacting." Now we have federal inspectors rifling through your 4 year old's lunch and judging you as parent. Next step in incrementalism? Government mandated lunches and fitness tests.

This is SICK, SICK government control and every single American should be absolutely outraged. Either you are your child's parent, or the state is. This food police shit is a blatant step towards tyranny.

God damn man. You're about two Faux Noise stories away from stoking out.

But I get it, it's completely your right to be an unhealthy fat fuck who makes everyone else pay for his health problems in the future.

But I get it, it's completely your right to be an unhealthy fat fuck who makes everyone else pay for his health problems in the future.

Posted by jpw at 2012-02-14 07:55 PM

LMAO... WTF do you think is going to happen when 30 million people go on the Govs dole via Obamacare?

You fucking libs are a riot. Simply ignore the country is filled with fat, lazy unhealthy citizens and pretend covering them will lower everyone's HC costs...

wow a triple straw man- 1, I'm fat (healthy, skinny, vegetarian farmer) and 2, I want the state to pay for it (have my own insurance, self employed, don't ever expect someone else to pay for it), 3, Faux news drone (don't watch fox news cause I don't pay for cable).

how would you like fed inspectors monitoring you while you cook dinner for your kids? invite them into your home, and then you can dismiss criticism against it.

JPW--the lunch packed by the child's mother was perfectly fine--read the story.

This is gov't bullshit intrusion.

And another way to shake down the people who bring a lunch to school versus buying the crap they serve in the cafeteria.

More gov't tyranny to take away your freedom.

In this case your lunch.

WTF do you think is going to happen when 30 million people go on the Govs dole via Obamacare?

Indeed.

Which is why it's better to prevent than to treat. This isn't rocket science.

Simply ignore the country is filled with fat, lazy unhealthy citizens and pretend covering them will lower everyone's HC costs...

I don't pretend to be familiar with the nuances of the healthcare reform claims. But I can't imagine allowing the current situation, where people do nothing for years and then show up in the ER with a problem long past fixable, would be cheaper than trying to catch and fix the problem when you can.

wow a triple straw man- 1, I'm fat (healthy, skinny, vegetarian farmer) and 2, I want the state to pay for it (have my own insurance, self employed, don't ever expect someone else to pay for it), 3, Faux news drone (don't watch fox news cause I don't pay for cable).

The second line wasn't you specifically.

how would you like fed inspectors monitoring you while you cook dinner for your kids?

Actually, I found it funny (in a pathetic, WTF? sort of way) that there are these inspectors to begin with.

I'm OK with making school lunches healthier. The institution is already there and can/should be utilized to that end. Creating a further institution, however, to inspect pre-K kid's lunches is laughable.

"Which is why it's better to prevent than to treat. This isn't rocket science."

So somehow you think the fucking gov can prevent them from staying fat, lazy and unhealthy? We have spent billions educating citizens on healthy eating, exercise and prevention. Yet magically if we had universal HC all of the sudden the country will turn the trend around? You do understand more than 85% of americans have insurance, yet we still have almost 2/3'rds considered overweight...

Keep reminding us you are a scientist LMAO...

Murphy,

See above. I did read the story and think it's hilarious that this person has this job.

More gov't tyranny to take away your freedom.

In this case your lunch.

I also think freedom has become the newest word to be worn out by the right, just like hero. You've wiped your ass with it so many times it's barely recognizable.

In this case you equate freedom to a pre-K kid's lunch. Are you f'in kidding me? Really?

How in the world is the meal described going to lead to obesity? The only possible negative there is potato chips. If a school employee pulled this shit on my kid, there would be hell to pay. (Let's take this moment to point out that the comparison to the First Lady's nutrition movement is spurious at best.)

At my preschool--part of the HS's tech center but not run by employees of the school, if that makes any sense--there is a mandate for inclusion of certain foods. This is meant to be enforcement of healthy eating and seems to be that. I don't always like the way they handle it, but it's acceptable because it's a school we pay for our child to attend. We sign up and pay; we choose to follow their rules. But at a public school? I don't think so. I don't know how a public school would get away with this, especially given that the nuggets are, by any definition, worse than pretty much anything a parent could pack (unless that parent is packing prepackaged shit). Hm. Maybe the nuggets are made from free-range, locally raised, organically fed birds? I can't begin to think what their logic was. I sense a lawsuit in the making.

Keep reminding us you are a scientist LMAO...

Evidently my being a scientist lets me view things as non-black and white.

I never said universal HC will "all of the sudden the country will turn the trend around". I said the current status quo clearly is untenable.

You do understand more than 85% of americans have insurance, yet we still have almost 2/3'rds considered overweight...

It's more about the school lunches, ect. Read my posts.

BTW I'm just as hopeless about it changing as you seem to be. Americans are fat, stupid and selfish with little forethought.

"I can't begin to think what their logic was."

Now you understand what the right thinks everyday when it comes to the public school system...

In this case you equate freedom to a pre-K kid's lunch. Are you f'in kidding me? Really?

As long as the parent has the option to pack a lunch, then yes, this is a non-issue when it comes to freedom.

No, I don't. I'm talking about food, Crispee. But then, you are joking/tweaking me, so I probably shouldn't take the bait. : )

(For the record, now you're broad-brushing your own folks, instead of liberals. There are plenty of righties who don't feel as you do about education...)

"It's more about the school lunches, ect. Read my posts."

I doubt school lunches played a big role in the tripling of child diabetes and obesity since 1980. The fact the Gov no longer mandates kids exercise daily in school, and of course took away any activity during lunch and recesses IMO had a bigger impact.

"No, I don't. I'm talking about food, Crispee. But then, you are joking/tweaking me, so I probably shouldn't take the bait. : )"

No bait. Just giving you an idea about the logic of those who run the PSS, me and some on the right question...

"Evidently my being a scientist lets me view things as non-black and white."

Yet you call anyone who prays a fool. Knowing there are many Nobel Prize winners for science who are religous and pray, who exactly is the fool?

MAX PLANCK, Nobel Laureate in Physics

WERNER HEISENBERG, Nobel Laureate in Physics

ALEXIS CARREL, Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology

SIR JOHN ECCLES, Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology

JOSEPH MURRAY, Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology

20--The logic of those who run etc. should not be extrapolated from this incident. It's one school and one idiot, as far as we know right now. But thanks for "some of..." : ) Some on the left also have questions, including me. I'm in a very silly argument right now with my principal (via e-mail), who runs my school. : )

23--Reitze, you're repeating yourself. And this is about school, but come on.

Okay, to take your link: Weird. Creepy. I don't like it. That said, do you know that its use is widespread? Do you have evidence of this all over? Sometimes, rote learning is good and unison response is valuable (think multiplication tables), but this seems entirely mindless (to be frank, I couldn't watch it, partly because the teacher is ... icky). I'd like to see more evidence before making a judgement on this. If it's a system used by some and some company is trying to sell it, then it's just another example of canned BS. There are tons of such things, and some are meaningful, but most are not. I reject most canned stuff, as do most teachers I know. From what I have seen/read, canned programs tend to get adopted in districts where decisions are made on higher levels: large district or state rather than local. Generally speaking, more autonomy should be given at the lower levels (with of course appropriate oversights and ability to check in). But what those terms mean will vary according to speaker and agenda. ; )

What happens if the kid doesn't want to eat?

Do they shove a tube down the kids throat and force feed the kid?

Or do they call the cops and hand cuff the kid and make him do a perp walk out the door/

Or do they charge the parent with child abuse and put the kid in a foster home.

This is all bad,even though I know what they are trying to do.

When morons are put in charge this is what you get.

I like vigilantism.

Get used to this idea, because at some point in the future it is coming if the goverment continues to fuck with peoples lives.

rwd

"More gov't tyranny to take away your freedom.

In this case your lunch."

Muffy:

Many a post of yours has caused me to lose my lunch.

You tyrant, you.

Yet you call anyone who prays a fool. Knowing there are many Nobel Prize winners for science who are religous and pray, who exactly is the fool?

So?

It's not like there's a right or wrong answer when it comes to opinions of faith.

#24 | Posted by pragmatist at 2012-02-14 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Thanks

At least someone read one of my posts, I'll try not to repeat so much but that "whole brain" thing appears to be getting pushed everywhere and the teachers or friends with teacher spouses are all telling me stories of how bad it is.

So that together with the flood of those whole brain examples and the glorification of them on those pages - wow some boot lickers shure do suck too.

FTA: That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables, even if the lunches are brought from home.

I don't know enough elementary school teachers, Reitze, but certainly that shit is not going on in my son's classroom. : 0 (He's 7.)

Wasn't the Palo Alto experiment meant to show the dangers of such things, not to be what schools should do or to be intended to indoctrinate? That's how it's presented in the movie (which I remember well from my youth).

Btw, 29, my son is as athletic as they come, quite healthy, and he doesn't eat all that stuff. He even eats *gasp* cookies now and then from his lunchbox. But it is scary what some parents pack... Seriously. My boy eats rolled turkey and cheese (four slices), a fruit, a vegetable, apple juice, and some snacks every day during the school day. If the school tried to say that wasn't okay, there would he hell to pay. (There's no worse parent for a school to deal with than a parent who is a teacher...) He usually comes home and eats some fruit snacks, and we eat well-balanced meals in general. (I'm overweight 'cause I snack too much, stay up too late, and don't exercise much at all--n.b. don't sleep enough...)

Nice to hear Prag. What I was hearing was mostly from Kindergarten, ESL, 3rd and 6th grade teachers that are friends of relatives. Here in NY we have over 800 "Competency criteria" for each kindergartner to be evaluated against. The teachers are pissed because it makes it so they don't actually get to teach anything.

It reminds me of a friend who was an orderly in an old-folks home cause his dad died in one and he wanted to make a difference. But the nursing homes made it hell for him - cutting the staff and the hours so much there wasn't time to take proper care of the patients. When it broke down all the orderlies got accused of horible things - then cleared and reassigned to the next nursing home... what a crewel racket the world is.

Prag: "Wasn't the Palo Alto experiment meant to show the dangers of such things, not to be what schools should do or to be intended to indoctrinate? That's how it's presented in the movie (which I remember well from my youth)."

Right and that's my point - but sadly people don't seem to get it unless there's something like that experiment to point to, and even the experiment isn't enough without the IN YOUR FACE movie of it. And whats even worse is how many seem to think its all a good thing.

Re #29: I've been around a few vegetarian children including my daughter since she was 10. Vegetarian kids are quite healthy compared to most people. So that requirement for "meat, milk, grain, and fruit or vegetables" is completely unhealthy at best. Oh and don't forget, pizza's a vegetable.

#26 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

Happy to contribute...

In this case you equate freedom to a pre-K kid's lunch. Are you f'in kidding me? Really?

#13 | Posted by jpw

JP--it's the slow creep of the entire thing. And the gov't is assaulting our freedoms everyday.

Today it's the damn cafeteria in NC where some dufus getting paid six figures is checking a kids lunch brought from home.

He has the audacity to force--yes force the kid to eat nuggets and take the packed lunch back home.

And the kicker it giving the parent a bill for $1.25 for forcing the child to eat 3 nuggets. The child would not eat anything else--it went to the trash.

--------

Creating a further institution, however, to inspect pre-K kid's lunches is laughable.

#11 | Posted by jpw

Amen.

JP--it's the slow creep of the entire thing. And the gov't is assaulting our freedoms everyday.

I agree. If the story were about X ray scanners in airports being installed on the promise of a minority of random passengers would be subjected to screening to all passengers will be subjected to screening in about 10 months I'd join in.

I just think the rhetoric being thrown around in this situation cheapens it when it's applied to other, more important ones.

"Nice to hear Prag. What I was hearing was mostly from Kindergarten, ESL, 3rd and 6th grade teachers that are friends of relatives. Here in NY we have over 800 "Competency criteria" for each kindergartner to be evaluated against. The teachers are pissed because it makes it so they don't actually get to teach anything."

800 sounds like curriculum indicators, and in that case they all roll into much larger assignments. Like if I look at a single literary analysis paper, I might see 100 if I really break it down. But I don't know--it gets overwhelming, and bureaucracies fuck it up even more. The longer I'm in this field, the more I see how fucked up the controls and requirements are. I seldom jump through all those hoops, and I get college students coming back or e-mailing me to tell me how well set up they are for writing and reading work, as compared with their peers (many of whom went to "better" schools than my HS). Yeah, it's anecdotal, but that sort of thing means everything to a teacher.

"Right and that's my point - but sadly people don't seem to get it unless there's something like that experiment to point to, and even the experiment isn't enough without the IN YOUR FACE movie of it. And whats even worse is how many seem to think its all a good thing. "

I think we're looking at this from opposite angles somehow. That movie was a parable, a warning. If that sort of shit is going on with seriousness, it's fucked-up bureaucratic crap from on high--by which I mean state-level or district-level (large-district) shenanigans. The smaller the district or school, the less likely it is you will see canned bullshit. It's where the "local control" mantra really speaks to me. Though that doesn't mean to me that you can't have curriculum from upper levels or even nationwide. Curriculum is NOT programming. The Common Core doesn't state (or doesn't always) how you teach, but what you teach: the skills and knowledge students should have. Good curricula don't insist that you do it a certain way but that your students can do IT, whatever IT is.

As for vegetarians, it's a myth that they're somehow less healthy than carnivores. I've known some pretty damned fit (and even jacked) vegetarians. Good food is good food, and no matter what you put in it, to do it well takes time and effort. In America, we are too often about the quick fix: Spaghettios, Lunchables, whatever prepackaged shit. That crap is terrible for you (and I think it tastes like shit). I'm not saying we can legislate it out of our lives; I'm all for "personal responsibility" on this one!

Btw, if this BS in NC is commonplace, the parents should rise up en masse. Schools--in smaller districts anyway--are one place where active citizenry can still make a difference.

#35 | Posted by jpw

I agree with your comment on the scanners. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed and not sure how to bring it back to the port.

''and I get college students coming back or e-mailing me to tell me how well set up they are for writing and reading work, as compared with their peers (many of whom went to "better" schools than my HS). Yeah, it's anecdotal, but that sort of thing means everything to a teacher. '' Prag 36

Prag--that kind of feedback is worth its weight in gold. And it's not anecdotal--it's real.

So the school can tell the children what they can and cannot put into their body in terms of food... but women should never be told that they are killing a unique living human being when they get an abortion?

Interesting.

Now food and abortion are two very different things. Abortion is a much more serious matter.

Which makes me wonder... why can a parent and child not choose what the child is going to eat, but the parent is capable of choosing to kill their child in the womb?

OK #39, how in the hell is abortion more important an issue than food?

its a mistake. geez

I just think the rhetoric being thrown around in this situation cheapens it when it's applied to other, more important ones.

Considering there are instances like this happening everyday in our schools, it is amazing how the left is happy to stick their heads back in the sand and call it a day. Five year olds being accused of sexual harrassment for hugging a girl ring any bells? No more tag or dodgeball, no more social invitations or celebration of holidays unless all participate or get invited. The list is endless...

One thing that is common in all the so called progressive changes to the schools which have occured over the last several decades, is the fact liberals and dems are responsible for the infection which has harmed our education system.

If this food nazi was not a licensed dietitian then the school division should get ready for a world of controversy...I know if that happened to my kid , issues would be had.

I am sure the libs love this shit. Just have the cafeteria lady make decisions for your kids so you do not have to make them.

We will mandate healthcare, we will mandate what your children can and cannot eat.

~~~~ demwits

"I don't like it. That said, do you know that its use is widespread? Do you have evidence of this all over? Sometimes, rote learning is good and unison response is valuable (think multiplication tables), but this seems entirely mindless..."

Jeez, Prag...how may "isolated" incidents is it going to take to bring you around to seeing it's more widespread than you think? Government interference and indoctrination is all throughout our schools everywhere. Wake up, man!

"Government interference and indoctrination is all throughout our schools everywhere. Wake up, man!"

LMAO...

"California governor signs bill requiring schools to teach gay history..."

#42 | Posted by crispee_oc

From being number one in education to middle of the pack in about forty years and it all began in the sixties with LBJ and the seventies with Jimmah Cahtah and the birth of the Dept. of Education. The people we're talking to here have no idea what education was back then and think all this "progressive" government bullshit is the norm. Math, geography, history, science, chemistry and such are no longer as emphasized so much as political correctness, "green" environmental indoctrination, "fairness" and other such crap. I simply can't imagine that any teacher would have taken elementary and middle school students to a union protest back then either. People like Prag can't see it because they don't know anyhing different. They can't grasp the fact that it used to be different and Americans were educated and learned the three R's once upon a time. We need to get the federal government OUT of educating our children! It should all be local with some oversite instead of completely under powerful government control.

"Prag--that kind of feedback is worth its weight in gold. And it's not anecdotal--it's real."

Thanks, Murphy. I said that about "anecdotal" because I expect some here to tell me I'm making it up or that it's meaningless. Also glad we can fight tooth and nail on another thread and you can still respect me here. : ) (That just upped my respect for you...)
+++++

Jest, we have fundamental differences in how we understand the concept of indoctrination. It's probably best if we don't engage on the concept of widespread and restrict ourselves to specific issues that can be analyzed on their own. : )

Btw, I was being very specific. Reitze said that the specific thing (whole-brain thinking) is all over, or implied that it was. I asked about that, not about the concept of indoctrination.

As for indoctrination, it's an interesting word. Do you want young people to be good citizens, obedient to the law, for instance, and understanding of adult-world behaviors? Those require some form of indoctrination (one could argue). Do you want students to be able to do math? That requires memorizing certain operations and concepts. Some might argue that's a kind of indoctrination. My problem with your concept is that you've decided (or you seem to have) that public schools are centers of indoctrination into liberal ideology. I just find that nonsense in many ways. But again, my argument is often specific: people talk about indoctrinating to "Obama is good" and cite the song. Which was done in ONE school.

As I say, probably not worth it for us to discuss this general concept.

"People like Prag can't see it because they don't know anyhing different."

Bullshit. I disagree with you.

"They can't grasp the fact that it used to be different and Americans were educated and learned the three R's once upon a time. We need to get the federal government OUT of educating our children!"

What exactly do you think the federal government does? What exact role does it play? What specific influences? My problem with your assumptions here is that you see as federally controlled what I see as largely the result of societal change (fairness, political correctness). I also think that you assume a great deal about fed involvement but don't know much about actual practice.

"It should all be local with some oversite instead of completely under powerful government control."

I pretty much agree with that. Except the assumption that any aspect is "completely under powerful government control." The fed DoE, for instance, does NOT dictate curriculum, hiring and firing, licensing, or behavioral policy (except on a very general level). But I do believe that local control should be primary. Interestingly, it is. Yes, there are influences (as Crispee will point out), but by and large, we are free to reject them. States have more power than the fed does, unless states allow more fed control than they should. See NCLB: states could certainly say no. They'd lose money, but it has been argued that they spend more money doing it than they get from the feds.

"We need to get the federal government OUT of educating our children!"

And btw, I can tell you from personal experience: We need to get PARENTS back INTO educating our children. Most of the kids I know who fail do so because they don't "do school." It goes to parenting. Probably the single biggest factor...

But I get it, it's completely your right to be an unhealthy fat fuck who makes everyone else pay for his health problems in the future.

#6 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2012-02-14 07:55 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Amen and pass the McNuggets.

"But again, my argument is often specific: people talk about indoctrinating to "Obama is good" and cite the song. Which was done in ONE school."

in·doc·tri·nate (n-dktr-nt)
tr.v. in·doc·tri·nat·ed, in·doc·tri·nat·ing, in·doc·tri·nates
1. To instruct in a body of doctrine or principles.
2. To imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view:

Your allowed one fruit or veggie, not both.

That's awesome. In honor of this insanity I'm having salad for lunch and fruit salad for dessert.

#40 | Posted by Tedly at 2012-02-15 08:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Its not just food and abortion.

It is the ability to choose what food you eat compared to the ability to choose to kill a unique, living, human being.

For some reason some people think a parent is capable to make the decision to kill a unique, living, human being but not capable to make the decision of what their unique, living, human being they did not kill will eat for lunch.

Personal note as I'm leaving, Prag...I just returned from visiting a great-grandson in Atlanta who turned seven last week. They are doing black history month and he asked me if I knew who shot Martin Luther King. I asked him who and he said, "WE shot Martin Luther King in the back." I told him it was really James Earl Ray and he insisted, WE, white people did...and he didn't want to be white anymore. I was livid and told his parents to make a complaint about his teacher right away. I don't know whether they did or not. What in holy hell are they telling our kids in these fuckin' government schools? Don't even try to convince me that kids today aren't being indoctrinated with "progressive" bullshit.

#40 | Posted by Tedly at 2012-02-15 08:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Basically it comes down to this:

"Life and death decision... sure we trust you to make it... however... when it comes to ham and swiss or chicken nuggets.... that is a no go, you are not capable of making that decision"

51--I'm using both definitions, Jest. Do try to read.

And yes, if two teachers now have done something stupid regarding Barack Obama, those two teachers should be held accountable. And the principals should be held accountable. You're going to extrapolate from those two? Great, so I can extrapolate from Mark Foley and Larry Craig that all Republican legislators are hidden homosexuals and power trippers regarding sex? Come on.

As for your story, yes, that's bullshit (the practice, not your comment). I'd be pissed too. And if you showed me the same thing in seven or 12 schools across the nation, I might begin to agree with you.

Jest, you are not a foolish person. You have logic; I've seen it. Apply it to your ideological bias. I have applied it to my world, and I've criticized public schools over and over and over again. Do you not see that you are pulling a specific example and extrapolating beyond it? Do you not see that you have evidence of a teacher doing a stupid thing? You act as if--especially when you draw a line to the DoE and ignore all my salient questions relating thereto--these multiple incidents of very different issues add up obviously to form an agenda, a cabal of some kind. Here's reality as I understand it: A majority of teachers are liberal; if a majority of those allow their ideology to enter into their teaching, then indoctrination could happen. And perhaps it does. What I object to is your assumption that the system as a whole does this, is this, and ignores or minimizes all other aspects of learning. That's nonsense. You do your argument a disservice. It's like ranting about Obama being a socialist. There is some merit to the argument (shit; I just said that), but there's so much else to criticize about him that if you concentrated on those you would have a real discussion. By hammering about indoctrination, you get nowhere with anyone in a position to effect change. You just vent, and you look sort of ignorant (not stupid, ignorant), especially when you blame it on the DoE. I'm not saying you don't have valid complaints; I'm saying you miss the point by going too far with them. In fact, I do see many of the negatives you talk about; I just don't make the extrapolation you do. I see value in analyzing and critiquing the specific, not creating (poorly) a big picture and railing against it.

(shrug)

This is why I say we can't talk about it. Fundamental difference in approach to life, really.

Exhibit 1: In a pre-K class, a government employee tells a parent what is or is not acceptable from a nutritional perspective. Even if it were an isolated case, it indicates a willingness by the government to determine what is or is not "good for us" and enforce that determination, even against our wills.

Exhibit 2: Obamacare. Not until it was signed did anyone really understand the broad powers it granted to cabinet positions.

Exhibit 3: "Scientists lobby to have sugar classified as a toxin."

Question to the jury: How long before DHHS or some other government agency decides to
a) tax "unhealthy" foods? It'll be called a "health surcharge" or somesuch, and be used to offset "unforeseen" increases in the cost of Obamacare. The decision regarding designation as "unhealthy" will be made by an appointed panel of "experts".
b) require annual "preventative health screenings" by government-designated medical professionals (not YOUR doc...he may be biased). People deemed to be living "unhealthy lifestyles" will be given 12 months to redeem themselves or face a "high risk" surcharge on their mandatory health insurance. Participation in government-'sponsored' fitness programs can be waived if "high risk" individuals agree to wear a monitoring bracelet during waking hours to "monitor physical activity".
c) reward "healthy" lifestyles such as vegan, vegetarian, etc...with reduced insurance premiums?

Yeah, I know, crazy...right? Google "Fabian Society"...they favored gradual revolution in pursuit of socialism.

There's a thread about this with 57 posts already going strong...

This story is published by the John Locke Foundation, a free-market think tank in North Carolina. It doesn't name the parent and no one could identify the person who allegedly inspected the child's home-brought lunch.

I have pretty strong doubts about whether it's true.

I have pretty strong doubts about whether it's true.

What, fanatical rightwingers lie? Unheard of!

This story is published by the John Locke Foundation, a free-market think tank in North Carolina. It doesn't name the parent and no one could identify the person who allegedly inspected the child's home-brought lunch.

I have pretty strong doubts about whether it's true.

#58 | Posted by rcade at 2012-02-15 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where'd you get that from?

Where'd you get that from?

The story and the fact that the John Locke Foundation has published stories in the past that didn't pass the smell test.

#61 | Posted by rcade at 2012-02-15 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can you site that? I just read the story and I must have missed that.

With the editors note it seems that due diligence was taken.

Can you site that?

"cite" if you prefer, although I am not looking for a citation of a source, but rather a visible representation, of the claims you make, in the text of the article.

The story and the fact that the John Locke Foundation has published stories in the past that didn't pass the smell test.

#61 | Posted by rcade at 2012-02-15 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

It was published and interviews done by a local here in NC.

Locke Foundation is cited no where in the piece, actually the author says she did the interviews herself...

Oh, and this does happen in NC. Happened one day to my 8 y/o at school. But, its OK, I am a serf and I know my role.

I'm sorry kids DON"T eat veggies unless you watch them eat it. Thank you Michele Obama for DESTROYING millions and millions of tons of good vegetables that are now being served to kids who WILL NOT EAT THEM (unless the parent/guardian is watching over them).
I know Michele you had good intentions as many kids are fat – but this is NOT your place – STAY OUT OF MY KIDS LUNCHBOX!!

"Here's reality as I understand it: A majority of teachers are liberal; if a majority of those allow their ideology to enter into their teaching, then indoctrination could happen. And perhaps it does."

It does...and it's much more widwespread than you wanna admit.

"What I object to is your assumption that the system as a whole does this, is this, and ignores or minimizes all other aspects of learning."

So you think that our schools' decline in performance since the 70's has nothing to do with with creation of the DOE and government intervention and policies? And yes, there has been a minimizing of of "other aspects" such as requiring a foreign language, math, science and such. I rwead an aticle recently that a notable high school recruit couldn't get an athletic scholarship to Notre Dame due to a lack of a foreign language course. It' pretty widespread but they know about "global warming," Martin Luther King was shot in the back, gay history and lotsa good stuff like that. CA just passed a bill requiring that gay history be taught but I suppose algebra isn't so important. I'm sure the DOE approves, what do YOU think?

"By hammering about indoctrination, you get nowhere with anyone in a position to effect change."

What!? You telling me you're in a position to change? Be honest, nothing said here is gonna change your opinion regardless of the evidence. You seem to be absolutely sure that the DOE and the federal government has nothing to do with the major decline of our education system over the last decades. Pehaps you're like the teachers I know who blame it on the lack of school funding...even though only two countries outspend us. Tell me, Prag, do you agree that our education has declined since the seventies and to what do you attribute that? How about the breakup of families? (Think LBJ and the Great Society.) How about all the political correctness and teaching "nobody fails" in concern for "self-esteem? issues" Yes, there ar many causes and the gubmint is ONE of the biggest culprits.

"I see value in analyzing and critiquing the specific, not creating (poorly) a big picture and railing against it."

I'm afraid you can't SEE the big picture. C'mon...tell me what YOU see in terms of the decline and what you think is the cure. Gotta start somewhere and it AIN'T an issue of money. To be concise, I'd start with getting the feds completely out of the business, abolishment of the DOE (after all, they haven't done a bang up job since it was established, have they?) and returning to local control. With the bureaucrats gone, maybe GOOD teachers could be hired and retained with attractive wages...no?

"The story and the fact that the John Locke Foundation has published stories in the past that didn't pass the smell test."

Whereas HuffPo and Media Matters are 100% reliable...right? We'll have to get Breitbart on this, but then, he lied about Weiner's weener and cost him his job so I know you don't believe him on anything either. Yep...HuffPo and Media Matters. My little "progressive" pals are very selective in their sources.

#66 | Posted by webwrangler at 2012-02-15 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is this supposed to be?

#69 | Posted by ExpsRedemption at 2012-02-15 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag
Just tracking down the source.

I'm skeptical, but if this story is true, it's absolutely ridiculous. Make the cafeterias serve healthy food, fine, but unless Mom has stuck a dead rat or an ounce of cocaine or some other weird shit in her kid's lunchbox, no one should be able to interfere.

wow, a one time idiot decision from a notoriously dubious source sends the rtards in a frothy riot of protest...dance you stupid fucking puppets.

Happened to my son too. Except it was meatloaf and he looked at them like they were crazy and wouldn't eat it.

Wasn't USDA from my understanding in my case, that is a little odd.

Locke Foundation is cited no where in the piece, actually the author says she did the interviews herself...

The fact that the foundation publishes the Carolina Journal is at the bottom of the story's page *and* on the About page

Whereas HuffPo and Media Matters are 100% reliable...right?

Media Matters doesn't report straight news stories like this one.

As for Huffington Post, I don't regard it as a good news source. Most of what it publishes is crappy rewrites of real stories published elsewhere.

The institution is already there and can/should be utilized to that end.

#11 | Posted by jpw

Are you a commie?

Ahhh. Missed that rcade. Despite my wife being a descendent of Locke, I concede your point.

Thanks. And cool your wife is kin. I'm always looking for famous ancestors.

As for Huffington Post, I don't regard it as a good news source. Most of what it publishes is crappy rewrites of real stories published elsewhere.#78 | Posted by rcade at 2012-02-15 05:17 PM
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If you've ever noticed, the HP headlines are typically hype instead of factual and informative. The media has a fuzzy gray line on the function of headlines....between presenting succinct facts and marketing to eyeballs.

#82 | POSTED BY ROBSON

Probably a good reason why HP is going down the tubes.

This is absolutely a definitive example of too much government intrusion. These bureaucrats get an inch of authority and soon they will be monitoring home meals for their version of nutrition. Since we've become a corrupt nation where big corporations have their fingers and money in these decisions, this is what happens. The bureaucrats are sponsored just like NASCAR.

Let's educate people to make the right decisions on their own instead of creating bureaucracies that will make the wrong decisions for them. Fast food of most any example represents the worst food (chicken nuggets rank right up there) that any child could eat.

70--Please reread #50, consider those specific and relevant questions, and get back to me. Until then, you're just engaging in supposition and relying on anecdotal evidence--two things for which you would roundly criticize me.

I think much in education has changed, and I think much of that has to do with societal change--lack of respect for educators and the very concept of education. PARENTING.

And my opinion has in fact evolved during my career, even in my short time here. If you didn't read every single thing I write with blinders on, you would probably have noticed that by now. I'm going to repeat one thing: I criticize education, and the public school system, quite regularly, right here. But I do it with nuance and an informed insider's stance. (I even expressed some serious cynicism just a couple of weeks ago. I believe Somoco was the only one who saw that, or commented on it, before the thread died.) Because I'm active in the union and am a liberal, you assume certain things of me and you don't think past those things. Your loss, not mine. I read every post from critics here that I see, and I try to look past the ideology to seek out criticisms that make sense. I have been challenged (i.e., been made to think by) 1Lib and even by Crispee_OC, much as the latter and I go at one another tooth and nail. Hell, Jest, even you have made me think now and again. But I've reached a point where I can't take the ignorance. Please reread #50, consider those specific and relevant questions, and if you care about the conversation, if you're serious about more then venting and shouting "Indoctrination!", get back to me.

Sounds like horseshit. I seriously doubt this ever happened.

"I think much in education has changed, and I think much of that has to do with societal change--lack of respect for educators and the very concept of education. PARENTING."

Bravo...and now I refer you again to the big advent of that societal change...THE GREAT SOCIETY, courtesy of Lyndon Johnson and the "do your own thing," and "if it feels good, do it" movement. All that spawned a lack of respect for just everything and people like Bill Ayers, Angela Davis and other remnants who are now teaching in our universities. You probably didn't live it, but what we're seeing today is like deja vu to those of us who did....except the Occutards are less educated. The Great Society destroyed traditional families also and the children and grandchildren are now the "PARENTS" you cite in your post.

"But I've reached a point where I can't take the ignorance."

LOL...I find it ironic that you think the ignorance is mine. You spend your days with kids in a classroom under school administration supervision and assume you're exposed to more than I. I'm probably nearly twice your age, remember the elections of FDR and Truman on down, went into the service under Eisenhower, served many years overseas, flew from carriers and foreign countries until I retired in 1975 under Ford and have followed education and politics closely since then (my wife was a teacher and I was involved in adult education in private business as well)...and you call me ignorant. Actually, it's humorous and just tells me why you and your little friends think and act the way you do. Like Obammus Caesar, you think you're so much smarter than those of us in the great unwashed. Please stick to teaching English and grammar (you do that well) and leave the important stuff to the adults.

#86 | POSTED BY APPARATCHIK

I guess the interview I watched this morning on CNN was horseshit, too....

Does it pass the smell test yet, RCade?

"Does it pass the smell test yet, RCade?"

He ain't believin' it until he reads it in HuffPo or Media Matters.

Good grief the political noise really drowns out the essence and lesson of the story. Clearly this was a misapplication/abuse of the rule, which seeks to ensure, as is clearly stated in the article (did anyone read it), that a child who brings a twinkie and a coke to lunch would receive supplemental nutition at the school or center. Does anyone really object to this?

I see Child's sack in the headline and then understand why there are so many posts in this thread. You guys need help.

I guess the interview I watched this morning on CNN was horseshit, too....

Interview with whom?

He ain't believin' it until he reads it in HuffPo or Media Matters.

Yawn... Have a fucking point?

87--Condescending and still avoiding the central question. I've asked twice, and you've proved you don't know and won't engage. Perfect. Willful ignorance is unforgivable, Jest. (And yes, I do think that someone who works in the school system knows more about the school system than does an angry, uninformed citizen who relies on condescending inanities to try to make a point.)
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91--Well done, Kanrei. If they'd only replaced "sack" with "fun bag," we would have gotten a whole different clientele responding...

Prag,

Go read your HuffPo, Media Matters, and DailyKos you ignorant, useless, government-mooching, Alinksy-Ayers commie dick wad. -- JESTGETTINGDEMENTIA

#94 | Posted by apparatchik at 2012-02-16 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag: Suffers from optiorectumitis

Optiorectumitis...An affliction caused by the optic nerves becoming entangled with the sphincter. Early symptom is exhibited by the suffer's asshole biting the seat cushions when he blinks. Stage two causes a shitty outlook on life to develop and stage three is diagnosed when the patient doesn't know whether to shit or go blind. Apparatchik is obviously experiencing incurable stage three.

#92 | POSTED BY APPARATCHIK

"Condescending and still avoiding the central question. I've asked twice, and you've proved you don't know and won't engage."

You're not that stupid, are you really, Prag? You asked what the feds have to do with education and after all the time I've seen you bitch about "No Child Left Behind?" You imply the DOE has no or little impact...then why in hell does it exist? It must have SOME effect (and not so beneficial if results are any indication)considering the huge bureaucracy and funding.

"Willful ignorance is unforgivable, Jest."

Educator, heal thyself.

"And yes, I do think that someone who works in the school system knows more about the school system than does an angry, uninformed citizen who relies on condescending inanities to try to make a point."

You need to look outside of your school, Prag. The "system" goes WAY beyond your experience in the English class. Angry...perhaps, but I'm not uninformed. Our national education has declined tremendously since the sixties and seventies and if you can't see that then YOU are ignornant. Start lookng outside of your one-school environment and look at in lot of other places. There are BIG problems with education in the U.S. You might start HERE: (This "uninformed citizen" rattle your cage. Prag? I hope so.)

#6 | Posted by jpw

But I get it, it's completely your right to be an unhealthy fat fuck who makes everyone else pay for his health problems in the future.
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The government should not be in the business of paying for everyday peoples health care.

Since they are you're right that is the argument they will make, since you're asking us to pay for your health care we have the right to tell you what to do.

Most Americans do not understand the ramifications of asking the FEDS to pay for thier stuff.

This is why getting government run healthcare was so important to the left, becuase once they are paying for everyone they can tie every decision you make to a healthcare cost.

You drive a truck they have more emissions extra tax.
You eat out at establisments that are not healthy extra tax.

This is just the begining. Can't wait!

The district asst. superintendant, the child's grandmother........

Agh... friggin video. Not at work :-/

I'll have to watch when I get home tonight. Thanks.

"You're not that stupid, are you really, Prag? You asked what the feds have to do with education and after all the time I've seen you bitch about "No Child Left Behind?" You imply the DOE has no or little impact...then why in hell does it exist? It must have SOME effect (and not so beneficial if results are any indication)considering the huge bureaucracy and funding."

Still not answering the question(s), Jest. I know about NCLB. It's not what you've been railing about. You are still in avoidance. And no, I don't imply the DoE has no or little impact; I do, however, ask you what you think it does. And you do not answer. Proving my point yet again.

#95: What the fuck are you rambling on about now?

#97 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Here is a small segment from the first link I posted above, Prag. Read all of both of them, there is much, much more to them. Remember, all this is just a start.

"When I was in high school in the early 50s, our small-town rural school provided only academic instruction. It offered no sex education, no drug education, no aids education, no driver education. The only concession to non-academic areas was shop (for the boys), home economics (for the girls) and sports (for the entertainment of parents and community). But these non- academic intrusions were but a small fraction of the total. Our entire school (K through 12) was managed by just one person (the superintendent) who didn't even have a secretary and who also taught one course each term. And in every classroom, from kindergarten to the senior level, all the desks were bolted to the floor! Today some educators think you can't have true education unless the seats are mobile and can be pulled into a circle. Golly, our education must have really been inferior, with seats bolted down. How things have changed in fewer than 40 years!

If you teach at a suburban or rural school today, social problems may be less noticeable, but you still must deal with administrators and school boards who don't understand, nor care about, academic excellence in the same sense that we understand it. And in all school systems, large or small, you must cope with local political pressures.

H. L. Mencken, writing in the 1930s put it this way:

"Consider [the pedagogue] in his highest incarnation: the university professor. What is his function? Simply to pass on to fresh generations of numbskulls a body of so-called knowledge that is fragmentary, unimportant, and, in large part, untrue. His whole professional activity is circumscribed by the prejudices, vanities and avarices of his university trustees, i.e., a committee of soap-boilers, nail manufacturers, bank-directors and politicians. The moment he offends these vermin he is undone. He cannot so much as think aloud without running a risk of having them fan his pantaloons."

"Some of you must teach from textbooks chosen by a selection committee that includes people who are physics and math illiterate. High school science textbooks are written by hacks who don't understand science very well themselves. It is such physics books that provide Mario Iona with more than enough raw material for his monthly column of textbook errors in The Physics Teacher, Would You Believe?

You must put up with educational fads, which pop out of the woodwork at regular intervals. Each one is imposed on you by peer pressure and administrative pressures. Each one is hailed as the panacea that will finally make education work. Look at the past record: every such fad has failed. So what are the chances that the currently fashionable ones will succeed? Yet each one demands your emotional and intellectual commitment for a while, each one forces you to spend time attending seminars and workshops to learn the new methods and get 'your intellectual juices' flowing again. Each one raises your hopes, then reality dashes them."

The big mistake the left is making, is that they are assuming the powerfull bureaucracy will always be run by people the agree with.

What if somone like pastor Wayne Sapp the one who burned the Koran takes over this powerfull bureaucracy. He would use this powerfull bureaucracy to force all kinds of things you people on the left/right don't like.

This is not good!

One of the reasons I moved out of my parents house was I didn't like being told what to do.

I guess you liberals loved living at home and being told what to do.

"I know about NCLB. It's not what you've been railing about. You are still in avoidance. And no, I don't imply the DoE has no or little impact; I do, however, ask you what you think it does."

NCLB is just a PART of what the DoE can claim and that I'm "railing about"...If you wanna get formal, here's what the DoE is SUPPOSED to do"

"Functions

The primary functions of the Department of Education are to "establish policy for, administer and coordinate most federal assistance to education, collect data on US schools, and to enforce federal educational laws regarding privacy and civil rights."[8] The Department of Education does not establish schools or colleges.[9]
The Office of the Inspector General has a unit of enforcement agents who conduct investigations and raids in connection to student loan defaults and fraud.[10]
Unlike the systems of most other countries, education in the United States is highly decentralized, and the federal government and Department of Education are not heavily involved in determining curricula or educational standards (with the recent exception of the No Child Left Behind Act). This has been left to state and local school districts. The quality of educational institutions and their degrees is maintained through an informal private process known as accreditation, over which the Department of Education has no direct public jurisdictional control.
The Department's mission is: to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.[11] Aligned with this mission of ensuring equal access to education, the Department of Education is a member of the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness,[12] and works with federal partners to ensure proper education for homeless and runaway youth in the United States."

I especially like THIS part: "The Department's mission is: to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence..." Really? Well, it's obvious they've failed miserably and the only thing they've accomplished is to create a huge bureaucracy and waste billions of dollars. So that's kinda the differnce between what they're SUPPOSED to do and what they ACTUALLY do, Prag. To repeat, the DoE should be abolished and the fed stay out of education other than limited oversight. Local control, Prag, local control. This is what I've been "railing about."

#102 | Posted by apparatchik

It's much too complicated, you wouldn't understand.

103--I know about all of this, man. Teachers don't just sit on their asses; we read about the past, even if we didn't live through it.

You are still refusing to answer my question. In what you cited, I see administrative pressures, etc., and fads. Those are not DoE-driven; influenced maybe, but not driven. I have never argued that there isn't bullshit in education, nor that there aren't serious problems. Today, I KEEP asking you the same questions, and you keep avoiding it. I'm speaking of that specific ignorance. Feel free to prove me wrong about that specific thing: your knowledge of what the DoE does.

And 106: Did you miss my VERY CLEAR post about what I think about local control, Jest? (See post #24.) Jesus Christ, you're proving again that you don't read what I write and/or can't see past your lens and your disdain when you do. I was just talking with a friend about this today: people who think that because one supports a concept, one thinks it's perfect. That has never been the case with me and public education. Until you accept that, you and I will never get past this back-and-forth bullshit.

You keep talking about "since the DoE was founded." You may have some points, but some of what you're doing is post hoc ergo propter hoc. There are OTHER FACTORS since the 1970s that have changed society and education. For instance, the "award for everyone" mentality (which I utterly ABHOR, as does every colleague I know [HS] and every parent I know personally) is most likely a societal change, not a DoE change. (And btw, I never said that the DoE is a Good Thing; I simply asked you to explain what you think it does.)

rip up 1st amendment freedom of religion one week...tell kids what they have to eat at school..

THIS is the face of liberalism...

want more..just vote for goddamn democrats in nov of 2012....

Afk, you oughtta know better: You've met enough small-minded powertrippers in your school career to know that it often has nothing to do with politics or with state or fed DoEs...

Here's an interesting update:

So it had nothing to do with the DoE and the preschool in question isn't even part of the public school system? Hm.

Finally watched that CNN video. Waste of time. No context. No evidence. No details. I still think this is a horseshit story.

The cafeteria details are true, but rather than an example of government “lunch bag police” overruling a family, it’s an embarrassing lapse by a teacher, Hoke County Schools Assistant Superintendent Bob Barnes said Thursday.

The girl’s teacher should have handed the child a carton of milk to round out the turkey-and-cheese sandwich and banana she brought from home. Instead, the teacher erred by telling the tyke to get a cafeteria lunch, Barnes said.

“We do not go over and stare down every child’s lunch,” Barnes said. “If you looked at the lunch the child had, I’d love to have that lunch today. However, there are occasions that kids bring lunches that aren’t that complete, and that’s why we try to supplement them with the things that they need to make it a complete lunch.”

"a chicken nugget in every government cafeteria" ?

Don Tyson must be looking down with pride at how his Little Rock connection paid off? Than again that son of a bitch is most likely looking up from the big ole deep fryer!

91--Well done, Kanrei. If they'd only replaced "sack" with "fun bag," we would have gotten a whole different clientele responding...

#93 | Posted by pragmatist at 2012-02-16 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was going to say "so you mean SPUD would be here" in regard to your statement but you can see in #114 he has already showed up.

Now I will say "so you mean all the Z's [just about every Z name on the DR is a troll] would be here?"

You didn't understand my phrase, Exp.

#117 | Posted by pragmatist at 2012-02-17 09:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about pedophile and rejects.

What was your point?

"(And btw, I never said that the DoE is a Good Thing; I simply asked you to explain what you think it does.)"

Prag...I'm not so concerned with just exactly what the DoE does in its every task on a day to day basis. (yes, I KNOW it doesn't inspect lunches.)I could give you a list as long as your arm regarding the different reposibilities and activities of the DoE, but I'm concenetrating on their OWN statement of purpose to.."Promote improvements in the quality and usefulness of education through federally supported research, evaluation, and sharing of information;" My complaint is that it has FAILED to do that seeing as how the quality of education has NOTimproved over the decades since its establishment. Meanwhile, it keeps growing and we keep throwing money at it. It employs thousands and has a budget of something like $60 billion dollars. If it was a private company it would disappear, that's what I want it to do. You keep ranting about whwther I know what it does and I'll tell you I don't know SPECIFICALLY what it does every day, but I DO KNOW it's a FAILURE in what it's SUPPOSED to do. I see it the same as the Dept. of Energy which was formed to decrease our dependence on foreign oil. They are both a huge waste of money and resources and THAT'S what causes my angst with both of them.

"I was just talking with a friend about this today: people who think that because one supports a concept, one thinks it's perfect. That has never been the case with me and public education. Until you accept that, you and I will never get past this back-and-forth bullshit."

I know that, I DO think you are most likely a conscientous, competent teacher. Our major rift has to do with differences in big vs small governemt, "progressive" vs conservative principles and opinions regarding things like the "Great Society." I considered myself a liberal and voted democrat up until then.

"There are OTHER FACTORS since the 1970s that have changed society and education."

Absolutely! The destruction of families, "free love," single parent families, "do your OWN thing,' "if it feels good, do it"...I could go on but it's of no use. To what do you attribute all that, Prag? Do you think the "Great Society" had anything to do with it?

"For instance, the "award for everyone" mentality (which I utterly ABHOR, as does every colleague I know [HS] and every parent I know personally) is most likely a societal change, not a DoE change."

It's just another "progressive" idea so that nobody fails, nobody's self-esteem is hurt and we are all equal. I know the DoE din't do it though :-) Did you think I really thought so? However, DoE was the major player in NCLB...you know that, don't you?

The state knows best.
~~~demwit/libtards

#5 | POSTED BY GLASSHOUSE

Actually, I believe it's YOU who have been touting the almighty state compared to the Feds.

And this was a STATE program to replace meals.

You wanted your Tenth Amendment rights. You got them and bitch about them.

Again, why are Conservatives so stupid?

"Again, why are Conservatives so stupid?"

LOL...Psychophart proves the validity of this article beyond any doubt...

"In fact, on all measures of practical intelligence and performance, conservatives would seem to be brainier.

Standard IQ tests have never been a very good predictor of success because they fail to measure a broad range of mental aptitudes -- everything from mechanical ability to social skills and emotional stability. Many of these alternative mental aptitudes contribute to one's ability to function in the real world. They comprise a set of skills that philosophers have traditionally referred to as "good sense," the sort of intelligence that liberals appear to lack entirely if we are to judge from their recent "investments" in green energy and their mishandling of health care reform.

In contrast to the abstract reasoning measured by standard IQ testing, this deeper intelligence plays a crucial role in making essential life choices. It involves more than solving problems on paper; it makes possible prudent choices, careful planning, and responsible behavior over the course of an entire lifetime. The evidence suggests that liberals don't score too well on these benchmarks. It is a fact, for instance, that those stodgy conservative sorts who marry and stay married over the period of a lifetime live longer. They also raise children who are less likely to commit crimes, take drugs, or commit suicide. And they end up donating more to charity and participating more in volunteer activities. All of these measurements reflect a more profound order of intelligence that exists among conservatives and not among liberals."

#121 | Posted by jestgettinstupider

The Amerikan Stinker???

Really???

Jeezus, yer a fucking moron.

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Exclusive: 2nd N.C. Mother Says Daughter’s School Lunch Replaced for Not Being Healthy Enough

Yeah--the memo was actually in that article too.

So as usual, the libbies look stupid, and so do the goose-stepping brown shirts working for the federal government.