Sign the fucking law , as long as there are no provision for reparations, and let's get on with it.

Christie has proposed the question be put to a referendum rather than forced down everyone's throat. I like his approach more.

"Christie has proposed the question be put to a referendum"

Lovely.

Next, lets vote on whether Muslims should get equal rights.

Following that, I'd like to see a vote on whether YOU should get equal rights.

I mean, that's what referendums are for, right?

Yes, yes, a milestone. It's like a festering sore you can't get rid of.

Gays will never be satisfied. Does anyone think that they'll stop after they get 'gay marriage'? They won't. Whatever the next perceived inequality is will be the cause celebre.

Gays will never be satisfied

I disagree. Aliens and anal probes work wonders.

Christians will never be satisfied. Does anyone think that they'll stop after they outlaw 'gay marriage'? They won't. Whatever the next perceived inequality is will be the cause celebre.

LOL,
I'm not the one asking for something.

I'm not telling anyone not to get buttfucked, in fact I often encourage it. They are the ones asking me to play make-believe with them. You can guess what my response is.

You can guess what my response is.

Why does the state need to be involved in marriage?

Why does the state need to be involved in marriage?

Posted by ASSHAT at 2012-02-14 04:48 PM | Reply

Someone told me that was because its already involved and can never the two shall part (which is obviously a circular argument).

How can they tax it if they don't control it?

Danforth nailed it. Civil rights should not be subject to the whims (and tyranny) of the majority.

Marriage is a private contract, and has no place in referendums, or under government control for that matter. Stick to the tax code for your social engineering.

In other words, shut up and bend over serf. Master knows best.

Why does the state need to be involved in marriage?

The legal aspects of marriage require the state to be involved.

Gays don't want marriage anyway. They are just looking for legitimacy.

"Gays don't want marriage anyway."

Ah, that tactic: lie.

They think that marriage is the vehicle that will take them there. But it won't. The next front will be 'hate speech'. Ban any thought that there is something wrong with homosexuality.

If by "legitimacy" you mean "equal rights," then yes.

They already have equal rights, and then some. Gays can get married now. They want marriage redefined to accommodate their alternative lifestyle.

I mean, that's what referendums are for, right?

#3 | Posted by Danforth

That's right dumbforth. Just like elected officials represent the will of the people.

Why does the state need to be involved in marriage?

It's all part of Obama's war on religion. He's hoodooing the states one by one, like he did to get contraception covered by health insurance, even for curchorations. He's already up to 28 and he only started last week. FOX told me, so I know it's true and, of course, Obama's fault.

Yes, yes, a milestone. It's like a festering sore you can't get rid of.

#4 | Posted by KBM at 2012-02-14 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag: obviously should use more anal lube.

FOX told me, so I know it's true and, of course, Obama's fault.

#21 | Posted by northguy3

Christmas is next...then we gonna git them guns and bibles and then the white women will be completely defenseless!

MOO HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Gays can get married now.

Just because you think that gay relationships should be as fake and unsatisfactory as all yours have been doesn't make it equivalent.

"They already have equal rights, and then some. Gays can get married now. "

Great: the moron defense: they can only get equality if they marry to please YOU.

I for one don't give a shit about the gays and would like them to have equality so that we can move the fuck on. The only reason news outlets are forced to talk about the gays is that fucking dick lickers like Hugecooze keep getting in the way of their efforts to play house. Give them their rights so this useless issue can go away already.

Gays can get married now.

Like Blacks could drink water in a separate but "equal" water fountain.

What was their problem?

Like Blacks could also ride buses but stand or sit in the back.

What was their problem?

Like Blacks could eat in a diner...in the back.

What was their problem?

Like Blacks could marry...but not white women.

What was their problem?

Sign the fucking law , as long as there are no provision for reparations, and let's get on with it.

#1 | Posted by glasshouse

but dear God... don't let them sue Asshouse for reparations for all the years he discriminated against them.

Christie has proposed the question be put to a referendum rather than forced down everyone's throat.

Nothing is forced down anyone's throat when the State drops the requirement that the parties in a marriage contract be of different gender.

If anything, it makes the paperwork easier.

Diablo, your obeisance to the Church has so colorred your judgment, you can no longer tell the difference between personal, private, religious matters, and secular contract law.

Christie has proposed the question be put to a referendum rather than forced down everyone's throat.

How about we put the right to bear arms or freedom of religion up to a referendum?

"How about we put the right to bear arms or freedom of religion up to a referendum?"

If it meant not having to see or listen to the poofsters and all their limpwristed supporters, I am game. I guarantee if it came down to a choice, both mentioned would still remain in place. How confident are you that anyone gives a rat's ass about same sex marriage with the same fervor?

Let me guess rcade, another basic human right made up by the left?

another basic human right made up by the left?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Fucking leftist forefathers....

I am game.
#31 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-14 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag: we know

The moronic right only likes the Constitution when it is rights they agree with.

Fucking leftist forefathers....

#32 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2012-02-14 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag: Believes that equality, and the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is somehow at odds with Republican or conservative thought.

I am game.
#31 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-14 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag: we know

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2012-02-14 06:07 PM | Limpwristed supporter as mentioned...

I am married, and to me, my marriage is a contract between myself and my wife. Other than a possible "contract" dispute, why do I need the state? They should not be involved. Its the same reason I don't see why the state needs to approve gay marriage. If it is a contact between two adults, why does the state need to get involved unless there is a dispute in the contract?

I guarantee if it came down to a choice, both mentioned would still remain in place. How confident are you that anyone gives a rat's ass about same sex marriage with the same fervor?
Crispeepee-how about if the original intent of the Second Amendment was required-well-regulated militia and all that?

And how about there being no religious test for Office-I'll bet you atheists, muslims, JWs and other various cults would lose out.

"Marriage is a private contract, and has no place in referendums, or under government control for that matter."

A contract is only significant if it is enforceable, enforcement requires both a judicial system and law enforcement. Therefore you need government for any contract, including a marriage contract, to be more than just a piece of paper.

Flag: Believes that equality, and the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is somehow at odds with Republican or conservative thought.
#35 | Posted by BradfordWinston at 2012-02-14 06:09 PM | Reply | Flag: CAN'T BE BOTHERED THINKING

"why does the state need to get involved "

Because the state grants particular rights. For example, how would you claim joint parenting rights if there is no marriage?

Other than a possible "contract" dispute, why do I need the state?

Property ownership.

Rights to enter into binding contracts.

Immunity from testimony by your spouse.

Income taxes.

Inheritance.

Etc.

#42... Made a mistake, no immunity from testimony, but rather protection from being compelled to testify against your spouse.

#40 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-14 06:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Rethinking Brad's offer of 6 trained gerbils.

For the life of me I can't understand why this is an issue. There is so much hate in the world, adding more love and people wanting to have children and or adopt should be a no brainer. Shit take a look at Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown and their 18 year old daughter who drinks and does Coke. That is your kind of 'normal'? How many breeders for benefits with many baby daddies are out there, is that your 'normal'?

How about rather than creating new rights, we achieve equality by stripping different-sex married couples of their special privileges.

No more collecting your dead spouse's SSI. Think of the savings!

Anyone game?

Rethinking Brad's offer of 6 trained gerbils.
#44 | Posted by BradfordWinston at 2012-02-14 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag: ONLY IF BRAD CAN RETRIEVE THEM FROM HIS ASS FOR ANIMAL RESCUE PROJECT

"Anyone game?"

NFW. I'd have to pay thousands of dollars just to secure the rights I currently get to take for granted.

#47 | Posted by Doc_Stupid at 2012-02-14 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag: Only wants gerbils recovered from someone's ass if they are reusable.

That's entirely up to you, Bradass.

For the life of me I can't understand why this is an issue. There is so much hate in the world, adding more love and people wanting to have children and or adopt should be a no brainer. Shit take a look at Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown and their 18 year old daughter who drinks and does Coke. That is your kind of 'normal'? How many breeders for benefits with many baby daddies are out there, is that your 'normal'?

#45 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2012-02-14

Forget every bad thing I ever said to you. You do have a brain! Too bad you had to throw the "welfare queen in her cadillac" crap in with the smart stuff, but nobody is perfect.

NFW. I'd have to pay thousands of dollars just to secure the rights I currently get to take for granted.

#48 | Posted by Danforth

Challenge for you. Make a post that:

Doesnt simply claim equality.

Doesnt cite the rights that you and your wife, or I, a bachelor, take for granted. Thanks.

#51 That is the main issue on the Drudge, labels. I may lean far right but I have even further left ideas when it comes to some things so don't lump me into a label. Deal?

Oh and Northguy Google Martin Lee Anderson. The very first thing his doner and carrier did with their windfall was buy caddy's. To this day if I ever met Charlie Crist I would sooner spit on him then shake his hand.

Martin Lee Anderson

so don't lump me into a label. Deal?

#53 | Posted by gracieamazed

Ok FatAss.

Figures.

When New Jersey had a gay Governor, it had a homophobic legislature.

Now that it has a gay-friendly legislature, it has a homophobic Governor.

New Jersey has never been able to do anything right, and it never will.

"Challenge for you. Make a post that:"

Challenge for you. Read my post history.

Now dance, bitch.

Danni that is a one sided story. Wikipedia is famous for those. They were found NOT guilty. But the doner and carrier were given millions inspite of that fact and that Grandma was raising Martin and REFUSED any windfall money from his death. The carrier LIED to the boot camp, she KNEW he had sickle cell. The doner has an arrest record as long as the Drudge leans left. Did they set up a sickle cell foundation? No. Did they set up a schlorship in his name? No. They bought caddy's, flea market gold teeth and fake designer hand bags.

ga you are disgusting to refer to the parents of a child like this as doner (sic) and carrier

I hear the air there isn't worth breathing. Some say it'll even kill ya. Coincidence?

When New Jersey had a gay Governor, it had a homophobic legislature.

Now that it has a gay-friendly legislature, it has a homophobic Governor.

New Jersey has never been able to do anything right, and it never will.

#57 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

Maybe if that dumbass McGreevey spent more time working on the top side of the desk this would have been a moot point. There's your gay appreciation for marriage.
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Now dance, bitch.

#58 | Posted by Danforth

Same song, same dance. Equality yak yak yak, taken for granted yak yak yak. Come up with something original and amaze me you crusty old fuck. I would expect something more imaginable from somebody that specializes in showtunes.

#60 Look are the carrier and doner and explain how they were remotely like parents. I'll wait.

"They were found NOT guilty."

In a Florida court, how surprising! Florida is synonymous with corruption.

Danni you have no effing clue. So qiut making posts that confirm your 'not in the know'. K cup cake?

I'd have to pay thousands of dollars just to secure the rights I currently get to take for granted.

#48 | Posted by Danforth

Never looked up Legal Zoom...;o)

Ok FatAss.

#56 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-02-14 07:07 PM

Dongerboy is bringing out the big guns.

Christmas is next...then we gonna git them guns and bibles and then the white women will be completely defenseless!

MOO HA HA HA HA HA HA!

#23 | Posted by donnerboy

do the muslims rape the white women before or after the forced abortions and conversions?

"I would expect something more imaginable from somebody that specializes in showtunes."

Dance first, my bitch.

Puts a smile on my face to see AmericanPly, Crispee, and HugeNot all wet themselves again in another gay getting equal rights thread.

It's a great pleasure to witness.

I can't wait for it to become legal in all 50 states + Obama 2012?? I think they would all die from uncontrollable rage.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack

Whatever spud. You're brain is french-fried.

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Dance first, my bitch.

#69 | Posted by Danforth

I said original dumbass, There is nothing original about the creepy, malevolent acting coach routine.

Dance again, my bitch.

When New Jersey had a gay Governor, it had a homophobic legislature.
Now that it has a gay-friendly legislature, it has a homophobic Governor.
New Jersey has never been able to do anything right, and it never will.

THIS.

Tip o' the spuddish chapeau to the NJ Senate Dems and the 2 Reps who voted for this.

A bronx cheer and a rude *raspberry* noise to tub of goo Chris Christie and his BS referendum plan.

Be Well.

Yes, yes, a milestone. It's like a festering sore you can't get rid of.
#4 | Posted by KBM at 2012-02-14 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag: obviously should use more anal lube.
#22 | Posted by northguy3 at 2012-02-14 05:12 PM

Actually, I think you should have a vet check it out before it tries to bugger neighbors and/or pets. Unhealthy thing.

Danni that is a one sided story. Wikipedia is famous for those. They were found NOT guilty. But the doner and carrier were given millions inspite of that fact and that Grandma was raising Martin and REFUSED any windfall money from his death. The carrier LIED to the boot camp, she KNEW he had sickle cell. The doner has an arrest record as long as the Drudge leans left. Did they set up a sickle cell foundation? No. Did they set up a schlorship in his name? No. They bought caddy's, flea market gold teeth and fake designer hand bags.
#59 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2012-02-14 07:22 PM

Oh, absolutely. "Carrier" undoubtedly chortled mightily at having tricked White Devil into believing the Jew doctors claim of "sickle cell crisis" induced by the diminished oxygenation caused by leather gloved blockage and ammonia fumes. Also, backing that up with years of information gathered by the British Navy proving the risks for people with the trait but not yet mutating is not information that was readily understood apparently. Don't fret, "Doner" probably has a few more "Carrier" spawn which should easily prove that point upon incarceration, should they survive into their teens.

Gays will never be satisfied. Does anyone think that they'll stop after they get 'gay marriage'? They won't. Whatever the next perceived inequality is will be the cause celebre.

#5 | Posted by Huguenot

Please enlighten all of us as to what else these never satisfied gays will want? Be specific.

I'm not telling anyone not to get buttfucked, in fact I often encourage it. They are the ones asking me to play make-believe with them. You can guess what my response is.

#8 | Posted by Huguenot

Golly, did y'a know that there are actually gay females? But you're probably ok with that, aren't y'a?

They already have equal rights, and then some. Gays can get married now. They want marriage redefined to accommodate their alternative lifestyle.

#19 | Posted by Huguenot

Liar.

I am married, and to me, my marriage is a contract between myself and my wife. Other than a possible "contract" dispute, why do I need the state?

Because being married grants you many things other couples are not granted, such as tax breaks, inheritance, hospital visitation, distribution of property in a divorce, child custody, alimony and palimony, and on and on.

A marriage is a shorthand legal contract that would be extremely difficult for a non-marriage to emulate. The marriage contract is also enforced by the state in ways a non-marriage would not be.

They already have equal rights, and then some. Gays can get married now. They want marriage redefined to accommodate their alternative lifestyle.

I love this argument. It's like telling a black guy with a white girlfriend in 1960 that his right to marry is not infringed because he can marry some black woman.

If you can't marry the person you want to marry, you don't have the equal right to marry. Period.

"If you can't marry the person you want to marry, you don't have the equal right to marry. Period."

OK... I want to marry Kate Upton. Then I want to marry...

"Because being married grants you many things other couples are not granted, such as tax breaks, inheritance, hospital visitation, distribution of property in a divorce, child custody, alimony and palimony, and on and on."

"I love this argument. It's like telling a black guy with a white girlfriend in 1960"

Obviously rcade still thinks it is the 60's, and must not understand that "domestic partners" covers almost all of the so called rights given to those legally married...

""domestic partners" covers almost all of the so called rights given to those legally married..."

Not even close. Those rights are only the ones granted on a state level, which dwarf in comparison to federal equality rights currently denied.

Obviously rcade still thinks it is the 60's, and must not understand that "domestic partners" covers almost all of the so called rights given to those legally married...

Tell that to Janice Langbehn.

Couples who live in localities without civil unions or domestic partnerships may voluntarily enter into a private, informal domestic partnership agreement, specifying their mutual obligations; however, this involves drawing up a number of separate legal documents, including wills, power of attorney, healthcare directives, child custody agreements, etc., and is best done with the guidance of a local attorney.

In any case, without legislation to enforce the agreement, all such provisions of the partnership may be ignored by hospitals, healthcare professionals, or other persons, and may be held invalid by state courts in disputes over child custody or over a deceased partner's estate.

"Tell that to Janice Langbehn."

Just so I understand... You bring up some brain dead woman who died 18 hours after being admitted, and her partner who WAS there when she died?

LMAO... Even if she was allowed in the room to watch her slowly die, the lady had no fucking clue she was in the room.

It says a lot that this woman spending her last 18 hours of life alone in a hospital is something you laugh your ass off about.

"It says a lot that this woman spending her last 18 hours of life alone in a hospital is something you laugh your ass off about."

It says more about you pretending the lady wasn't brain dead when she came in, and would never have known if anyone was in the room. But hey, don't let reality get in the way of another bleeding heart liberal and a Max Cleland prop tugging on the heartstrings of the foolish...

It says more about you pretending the lady wasn't brain dead when she came in, and would never have known if anyone was in the room.

Let's see if you can figure out the point here, step by step.

Whereas Janice Langbehn is representative of many gay people caught in a tragic situation like hers, and ...

Whereas hospitals are often run by people like you, and ...

Whereas they would let a spouse be at a stricken person's bedside, but they bar gays from being with their partners ...

Therefore gays are being allowed to marry in many places, because it's the best way to get idiots and bigots to treat gay couples like straight couples.

"Let's see if you can figure out the point here, step by step."

"Couples who live in localities without civil unions or domestic partnerships may voluntarily enter into a private, informal domestic partnership agreement, specifying their mutual obligations'

IOW, what my wife and I get automatically, and can take for granted, gay couples can only get by jumping through legal hoops, if that protection is even available. And unlike my wife and me, if their lawyer is incompetent, they're fucked.

What state-level civil unions don't address are the majority of the rights, which occur on a Federal level.

"Therefore gays are being allowed to marry in many places, because it's the best way to get idiots and bigots to treat gay couples like straight couples."

Let's just say your priorities and mine differ. I chose the route of trying to give kids what I learned and thru coaching, reffing, camps, finding college schoalrships, etc. See they aren't these selfish whiners who make up shit pretending they have some fucking inherent right because they think they are special and deserve a seperate status.

Sadly, the rcades of the world became such a burden, that many of us who volunteered to give something back decided it was a waste of time as long as the kid had like minded parents.

"IOW, what my wife and I get automatically, and can take for granted, gay couples can only get by jumping through legal hoops, if that protection is even available. And unlike my wife and me, if their lawyer is incompetent, they're fucked."

Call it the rub of the green...

I am single and receive nor deserve any special status or rights.

"Obviously rcade still thinks it is the 60's, and must not understand that "domestic partners" covers almost all of the so called rights given to those legally married..."

Intentionally stupid. It's no excuse for being so ignorant.

"I am single and receive nor deserve any special status or rights."

Bullshit. You have the option (read: right) to marry the person you love and get those rights.

"they aren't these selfish whiners who make up shit pretending they have some fucking inherent right because they think they are special and deserve a seperate status."

First, that's horsecrap: they're wanting no further status than the rest of society gets. Second, look at the macro: gays are subsidizing YOU.

"Bullshit. You have the option (read: right) to marry the person you love and get those rights."

Read I am single, and have nor deserve any special rights. HTF can you call that BS? Are you telling me I should be like you and fight for some certain status or want laws changed to accomodate my decision not to marry?

Let me help you out danforth. Even if I were to cohabitate, comingle funds, have kids and not decide to get married, I still do not deserve any special rights given to those who do in fact get married and are recognized as such by the Gov...

"Intentionally stupid. It's no excuse for being so ignorant."

Actually anyone stupid enough to think race and gender were somehow equal under the laws of marriage before interrace marriage was accepted, is an idiot and simply ignores marriage is between a man and a woman, and has been that way for thousands of years.

Unless you can link the ban on interracial marriage showing it is somehow akin to same sex marriage over those thousands of years, the argument falls short...

"First, that's horsecrap: they're wanting no further status than the rest of society gets. Second, look at the macro: gays are subsidizing YOU."

Of course they are danforth. Under that logic, I am subsidizing married couples because I don't get the same tax deductions and pay more in taxes...

"Read I am single, and have nor deserve any special rights."

But currently, you have the option to marry the person you love and get those rights.

"Are you telling me I should be like you and fight for some certain status or want laws changed to accomodate my decision not to marry? "

No, I'm saying the right to marry who you love should be extended equally to gays.

"Even if I were to cohabitate, comingle funds, have kids and not decide to get married, I still do not deserve any special rights given to those who do in fact get married"

But it would be your choice not to get married, even though you could. Gays have no such options.

"Under that logic, I am subsidizing married couples because I don't get the same tax deductions and pay more in taxes..."

True.

The salient difference being you have access to these rights. Gays do not.

Crispee is just upset that gay people are getting married but he will forever be single.

"The salient difference being you have access to these rights. Gays do not."

Actually the salient difference is I do not think I deserve any special rights, which society and the Gov deemed married couples should get. I have no kids, yet can become a father and get so called rights. Doesn't mean I think I deserve them, or think non parents should get the same perks...

"Crispee is just upset that gay people are getting married but he will forever be single."

Why do you even open your yap clowny? You still believe Gloria Allred and her client's version of what happened with Cain. Go sit at the retards table with the other posters equally challenged...

As for being forever single? Probably correct. I am as selfish as anyone with the little time I have, much less having enough to share. Obviously some are not smart enough to understand what marriage involves, and find out the hard way...

As for being forever single? Probably correct. I am as selfish as anyone with the little time I have, much less having enough to share. Obviously some are not smart enough to understand what marriage involves, and find out the hard way...

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The women, gay men and farm animals applaud your dedication to your chosen profession in lieau of pursuing their sexual attention.

I chose the route of trying to give kids what I learned and thru coaching, reffing, camps, finding college schoalrships, etc. See they aren't these selfish whiners who make up shit pretending they have some fucking inherent right because they think they are special and deserve a seperate status. Sadly, the rcades of the world became such a burden, that many of us who volunteered to give something back decided it was a waste of time as long as the kid had like minded parents.

You stopped coaching kids in sports because gays can marry?

I coached youth baseball last night. The issue of gay marriage didn't come up once.

"I coached youth baseball last night. The issue of gay marriage didn't come up once."

#104 | Posted by rcade

And just because Obama throws like he's gay it doesn't mean anything.

The women, gay men and farm animals applaud your dedication to your chosen profession in lieau of pursuing their sexual attention.
#103 | Posted by truthhurts at 2012-02-15 01:41 PM

Good one truthy...One whole hour makes a day. Shouldn't you be out showing your vag crying about the american empire taking over the world?

"You stopped coaching kids in sports because gays can marry?"

Guess you missed it, twice no less? Why you think that somehow applied to gay marriage is more proof of THAT mindset as mentioned....

"Sadly, the rcades of the world became such a burden, that many of us who volunteered to give something back decided it was a waste of time as long as the kid had like minded parents."

I am as selfish as anyone with the little time I have, much less having enough to share.

Maybe if you spent less time here...

Who am I kidding? The homo marriage threads keep you quarantined at a computer, which is probably a good thing for the rest of society.

Who am I kidding? The homo marriage threads keep you quarantined at a computer, which is probably a good thing for the rest of society.
#108 | Posted by JOE at 2012-02-15 02:02 PM

You aren't kidding anybody. The fact you claim to be a lawyer has been a running joke since I joined. Coming out of the closet today for everyone to see is a new twist though. Check with danforth how to attract clients and maybe mr right will come along...

Sadly, the rcades of the world became such a burden ...

Sorry I'm such a burden to you, Crispee. Is it all the taxes I pay, all the people I've taught programming, the web sites I run or the job I'm doing raising three good kids?

Now anyone who rips on LispyOC is a homo. Got any other gems?

"Now anyone who rips on LispyOC is a homo."

Only limpwristers such as yourself little Joey...

"Got any other gems?"

You tell us? You seem to have some sort of stake in same sex marriage, not me...

Sorry I'm such a burden to you, Crispee. Is it all the taxes I pay, all the people I've taught programming, the web sites I run or the job I'm doing raising three good kids?
#110 | Posted by rcade at 2012-02-15 02:14 PM

Sorry you are unable to grasp a simple sentence and automatically play some sort of victim card. The fact you are a liberal has obviously blinded you to the problems or mindset I mentioned. Which created the burden many ready and willing to do something for kids decided is not worth it.

Just curious, the baseball team you coach, do they keep score during games?

Why do you even open your yap clowny? You still believe Gloria Allred and her client's version of what happened with Cain. Go sit at the retards table with the other posters equally challenged...
As for being forever single? Probably correct. I am as selfish as anyone with the little time I have, much less having enough to share. Obviously some are not smart enough to understand what marriage involves, and find out the hard way...
#102 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC AT 2012-02-15 01:33 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Wow Crispee, way to keep bringing up Cain's infedelity. How soar was your ass that day that you still haven't stopped crying about it? The retard table is completely reserved for you champ.

No need to excuse why you're unsuited for marriage. I was simply pointing out you don't know anything about marriage, and can't understand why homosexuals want it.

Sorry you are unable to grasp a simple sentence and automatically play some sort of victim card.

I have no idea what the above is supposed to mean. What I got was "blah blah blah victim card."

Yes, the baseball league does keep score. The idea that liberals don't believe in success and failure, and want everyone to be treated equally at all times no matter what, is a giant pile of steaming horseshit.

You seem to have some sort of stake in same sex marriage

Given how fervently you post on the subject, you are the one who appears to have a stake.

Lispy is afraid of homo marriage because once it becomes widely available, he will give into his temptation to participate.

"Wow Crispee, way to keep bringing up Cain's infedelity."

No I bring up a retard named Clowny who believed the ugly skanks version of events.

"No need to excuse why you're unsuited for marriage. I was simply pointing out you don't know anything about marriage, and can't understand why homosexuals want it."

You were simply pointing out your stupidity, and as usual aren't smart enough to shut your yap when you have no fucking clue what is reality...

"Given how fervently you post on the subject, you are the one who appears to have a stake."

Here, just for the stupid like yourself little Joey...

Actually the salient difference is I do not think I deserve any special rights, which society and the Gov deemed married couples should get. I have no kids, yet can become a father and get so called rights. Doesn't mean I think I deserve them, or think non parents should get the same perks...
#101 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-15 01:28 PM |

Lispy is afraid of homo marriage because once it becomes widely available, he will give into his temptation to participate.

#116 | Posted by JOE at 2012-02-15 03:10 PM

Hopefully by then if it happens you will have found mr right. Maybe he will be bi-sexual and can convert you...

Sorry Lispy, I'm using your logic now. If I'm gay for supporting equal rights, then you're afraid of your own gayness for opposing equal rights.

You got to love this place. I believe I don't deserve anything special as a single person, or complain that married couples do in fact receive benefits by the Gov., and somehow that means I am against gay marriage out of bigotry, or as though somthting is being taken away from me, and not a sense of fairness? Even though I ask for or expect nothing? Is it that fucking hard to believe I adhere to what is considered right by society, which is marriage is between a man and a woman...

Is it that fucking hard to believe

That you're single? Not in the slightest =P

Give him a break, Kanrei. Lispy has very little time to share with others, because he spends half the day railing against faggots on the internet.

Sorry Lispy, I'm using your logic now. If I'm gay for supporting equal rights, then you're afraid of your own gayness for opposing equal rights.
#120 | Posted by JOE at 2012-02-15 03:19 PM

No, you are using some made up BS which shows how fucking stupid you are. It is whack jobs like you who make laws like Cali to mandate history classes teach about gays and lesbians. As though they deserve the same platform as past historical americans.

That you're single? Not in the slightest =P

#122 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-02-15 03:26 PM

LMAO... Errr what is your current status?

Give him a break, Kanrei. Lispy has very little time to share with others

It was Crispee who said it though.

what is your current status?

Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-15 03:35 PM

No comment. It would ruin my joke.

"Give him a break, Kanrei. Lispy has very little time to share with others, because he spends half the day railing against faggots on the internet."

You should be happy I gave you a reason to come out of the closet little Joey. If you play your cards right the tranny named Montecore and yourself can have a gay old time...

"No comment. It would ruin my joke."

A little late for me, I already know. Had you heeded my advice last year, you could very well be married and miserable today. lol

A little late for me, I already know.

My parents asked me actually if I ever plan on getting married.

I looked them in the eye and said "yes, when I am tired of being happy."

My mom hated the answer and my dad smirked.

It is whack jobs like you who make laws like Cali to mandate history classes teach about gays and lesbians. As though they deserve the same platform as past historical americans.
#124 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

How does one's sexual orientation determine the worthiness and/or appreciation for his/her actions?

"We should most definitely hide the fact that Leonardo Da Vinci was a homosexual from our students. Only straight people deserve historical recognition and therefor we shall paint Leonardo Da Vinci as a straight man." ~ Fervently Fanatical Right Wingers including Crisp

No, you are using some made up BS

None of it's made up, Lispy. If I'm a homo just for supporting gay rights, then you could just as easily be a self-hating homo for opposing gay rights. This is your logic at work - own it.

You support Gay rights because it is dangerous to start drawing lines around who gets rights and who doesn't.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

"I coached youth baseball last night. The issue of gay marriage didn't come up once."
#104 | Posted by rcade
And just because Obama throws like he's gay it doesn't mean anything.
#105 | Posted by FreddyK at 2012-02-15 01:47 PM

But, since he's Black that makes him a natural athlete! Ahh, fuck it. I can't keep all this bigotry straight, um, gay. Damned, if he's gay, wimpy and Black, but athletic, intellectual and married to a vagina-capable, playing which game would he seem more disinterested in cock? The one where he raises a family, graduates Harvard, is elected Senator and eventually the President of the United States, for better and the worse guides the nation already mired within a globally-entrenched economic threat invented through the Republican/neocon/banker militia treachery (Nazi, uh, Klan, Reptile overlords, Rothschild, Rockefeller, Murdock, Face and Mr. T).

Or, are you imagining the smuggling of male escorts into the White House after hours, even giving them unfettered press access lasting months without any actual press credentials or journalism background?

If any of our recent presidents were homosexual, I would not hesitate to consider George Bush tippy-top of that list. And you Righties chugged his cock every opportunity, so are you merely unaccustomed to Obama's size? What is your cocksucking malfunction?!

Is it that fucking hard to believe I adhere to what is considered right by society, which is marriage is between a man and a woman...

Not so fast. A majority of the public supports gay marriage:

None of it's made up, Lispy. If I'm a homo just for supporting gay rights, then you could just as easily be a self-hating homo for opposing gay rights. This is your logic at work - own it.

#132 | Posted by JOE at 2012-02-15 03:47 PM

I already owned up to my reasons. Sadly you are too fucking stupid to read them. Hence the joke you are a lawyer...

"Not so fast. A majority of the public supports gay marriage"

Great... HTF does that apply to what I believe? Or does the thousands of years of marriage being between a man and a woman somehow not apply anymore because of some stupid poll today?

does the thousands of years of marriage being between a man and a woman somehow not apply anymore

It does not apply because it never has. There has not been a uniform code of who can marry who for a thousand years. Different faiths couldn't marry once upon a time. Then different factions of the same faith couldn't. Women couldn't ask for a divorce once upon a time. Race determined who could marry who once upon a not so long ago. This is just the next change.

#133 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-02-15 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see your Niemoller and raise you an Ogden

Funny thing is, if government wasn't so fucking entwined in "marraige" and other contracts and arrangements, gay's could go to anyone willing to "marry" them and just get married and we'd not have to sit around wasting time and space on this.

There's no government like no government.

HTF does that apply to what I believe?

You said you adhere to what is considered right by society. Society considers it right that gays marry.

Don't come back with a response that society has an unchanging view of what is right. That concept is a joke in a country where slavery was once constitutional. Clearly our society changes its mind sometimes.

"How does one's sexual orientation determine the worthiness and/or appreciation for his/her actions?"

It doesn't moron. Which is why mandating gays and lesbians be taught in history classes makes no sense.

"We should most definitely hide the fact that Leonardo Da Vinci was a homosexual from our students. Only straight people deserve historical recognition and therefor we shall paint Leonardo Da Vinci as a straight man."

So now you go from orientation not being a reason to determine ones worthiness or apperication from a historical standpoint, to that tripe?

Clearly our society changes its mind sometimes.

Posted by rcade at 2012-02-15 04:05 PM | Reply

Society is an abstract and cannot change its mind. Are you referring to goverment instead?

Individuals can change their minds. Two gays that want to enter into a marital contract should not need "society's" approval.

HTF does that apply to what I believe?

"You said you adhere to what is considered right by society. Society considers it right that gays marry."

Right by society for the last several thousand years. If society considered it right today, why are there recent laws passed preventing same sex marriage? Why did blacks, hispanics, religious, athiests pass prop 9 in Cali? The most liberal fucking state in the union? Let me guess, all are bigots right?

#117 | POSTED BY CRISPEE

Your whole post read of absolutely nothing.

You have no argument.

Your trolling isn't helping your intolerance.

You are a hate filled person.

"It does not apply because it never has. There has not been a uniform code of who can marry who for a thousand years."

Of course not. Husband and wife aren't even in the marriage vows given by the individual who conducts the ceremony. I now pronounce you man and wife is never uttered. Bride and groom? Hah..

The modern English word "marriage" derives from Middle English mariage, which first appears in 1250-1300 C.E. This in turn is derived from Old French marier (to marry) and ultimately Latin marītāre meaning to provide with a husband or wife and marītāri meaning to get married. (The adjective marīt-us -a, -um meaning matrimonial or nuptial could also be used in the masculine form as a noun for "husband" and in the feminine form for "wife."[13] The related English word "matrimony" derives from the Old French word matremoine which appears around 1300 C.E. and ultimately derives from Latin mātrimōnium which combines the two concepts mater meaning "mother" and the suffix -monium signifying "action, state, or condition

"Your whole post read of absolutely nothing. You have no argument."

So this is over your ignorant, uneducated, illiterate head?

"I believe I don't deserve anything special as a single person, or complain that married couples do in fact receive benefits by the Gov., and somehow that means I am against gay marriage out of bigotry, or as though something is being taken away from me, and not a sense of fairness? Even though I ask for or expect nothing? Is it that fucking hard to believe I adhere to what is considered right by society, which is marriage is between a man and a woman..."

#143

They really don't want or expect socitey's approval. They just want their marriage recognized on a federal (national) level.

They want to get married with the same benefits and ease that straight couples do.

#147

One has nothing to do with the other.

Just because you are a single person taking for granted rights available to you doesn't mean gays should be excluded from those rights.

You want to take apart the foundation of marriage and the involvement of government vs religion have at it. But until you do something about it gays want what straights already have. They don't want anything new, they just want to be included.

"Just because you are a single person taking for granted rights available to you doesn't mean gays should be excluded from those rights."

I take them for granted because I don't think I deserve them nor need them. Just like the analogy I posted about parents who are granted certain rights not afforded to a non parent like me. Obviously the Gov thinks otherwise...

#144 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

Things change, Crisp. Were you even aware that Prop 8 passed with only 52% of the vote? 48% voted No.

That's hardly a mandate putting the entirety of California in the "marriage = man + woman" group. The federal court ruling that Prop. 8 is unconstitutional was supposed to ignite another Prop 8 like initiative for the 2012 election.

Obviously the Gov thinks otherwise...
#150 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

The government should protect the rights of religions who deem it appropriate and perfectly kosher with god that homosexuals marry.

Who are you to stomp on the rights of those religions that want to marry homosexuals?

IMO, the SCOTUS will most likely maintain the current ruling regarding Prop. 8, as it should because the "majority of society" does not take precedent over the rights of a minority. Simple constitutional logic. The minority shall be sheltered from the tyranny of the majority.

"Things change, Crisp. Were you even aware that Prop 8 passed with only 52% of the vote? 48% voted No."

Are you even aware why I brought up prop 8? Was it to counter rcade's line society has changed and now they want gay marriage?

In that prop 8 vote, who made up the yesses? All white bigot repubs like me? Or was it all races, church goers, athiests etc?

Society is an abstract and cannot change its mind.

I'm responding to someone who thinks society defined marriage as man-woman and for that reason must never change.

The views of the people who make up society change all the time. The U.S. would be a terrible place if we lived by all of the standards from the time of the nation's founding.

"I'm referring to someone who thinks society defined marriage as man-woman and for that reason must never change."

Why should it? Since 2001 how many countries have adopted same sex marriage in their society? 10? 11? Out of how many? Over how many thousands of years?

Again, why do government's even recognize or ecourage marriage? For the benefit of society?

Or was it all races, church goers, athiests etc?
#153 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

Granted. Just as it was for those who voted No. Remember, you're the one who is attempting to make "marriage = man + woman" a mandated view across all time, races, and religions - which isn't True.

"Marriage has been between a man and a woman for thousands of years." - Crisp
"Society is abstract and cannot change its mind." - Crisp
Since when? Society deemed slavery immoral when at one time it believed it to be almost divine (god granting his people the right to use slaves in the Bible).

Society has changed the definition of marriage. In Alabama, up until 2000, the legal definition of marriage mandated intra-racial relationships. Society changed its mind regarding interracial marriage in 1967. Only 33 years later did Alabama officially change its laws.

Society does change its mind on major issues. History proves it so.

Again, why do government's even recognize or ecourage marriage? For the benefit of society?

Governments recognize marriage to promote a more prosperous and stable society with stronger family groups. Not only is marriage better for the two people involved, it is better for their children. Since gays form families and have children, allowing them to marry promotes the same ends as straight marriage. Denying the children of gay couples the benefits of being raised by a married couple is wrong.

In 15 years this will be the conservative position. The people who've been banging the drum for the benefits of straight marriage will be talking the same way about gay marriage.

For the benefit of society?
#155 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

For the benefit of labor.

See Romania's antiabortion policy implemented in the 1980s with the intent to increase its labor workforce. Also see the subsequent consequences of those policies.

Religious doctrines of marriage should not be included in the governments concern over labor, IMO.

"Governments recognize marriage to promote a more prosperous and stable society with stronger family groups."

IE for the benefit of society.

Taking a different angle... What is the instinctive purpose of all living things? To reproduce?

What is the instinctive purpose of all living things? To reproduce?
#159 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

If you base your argument on instinct, don't stop at what you post here. You must also be of the mindset that men shouldn't be criticized for cheating on their spouses because they are "instinctively" meant to spread their seed as far and wide as possible. Well, are you?

"If you base your argument on instinct, don't stop at what you post here. You must also be of the mindset that men shouldn't be criticized for cheating on their spouses because they are "instinctively" meant to spread their seed as far and wide as possible. Well, are you?"

Are you actually stupid enough to argue that instinctive purpose among living things? Or was it too much for you to comprehend the context?

#161 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

Are you really that stupid to insinuate that instincts of other species ("all living things") should directly influence policy? Part of being human is controlling what instinctive urges one acts on and which urges one does not act on (hence the inclusion of "men spreading their seed"). The Bible refers to it as free will. Government should not dictate the decision making process in controlling instinctive urges. Big government bullshit.

Plenty of context.

You still haven't explained why you wish to trample on the rights of those religions that choose to marry homosexuals.

"Plenty of context."

You foolishly bring up humans to refute the natural instinct to reproduce among the thousands and thousands of other living things?

That's as stupid as saying interracial marriage is equivalent to same sex marriage...

Do you crap in the woods, Crispee?

"Do you crap in the woods, Crispee?"

Of course. Where do you crap when you are camping, fishing, hiking, hunting?

You foolishly bring up humans to refute the natural instinct to reproduce among the thousands and thousands of other living things?

So marriage is based on what sea slugs do? btw, the vast majority of species don't have a mommy and a daddy around to raise the kids. Many in fact don't have even one parent around. Sort of shoots a hole in the bitching about single family parenting. Then again, when you get to herd/pack animals, you end up with Mormonistic polygamy.

If reproduction is the only reason for marriage, do we divorce when the woman hits menopause? Is it fraud to get married if you don't intend to have children?

"I'm referring to someone who thinks society defined marriage as man-woman and for that reason must never change."
Why should it? Since 2001 how many countries have adopted same sex marriage in their society? 10? 11? Out of how many? Over how many thousands of years?
Again, why do government's even recognize or ecourage marriage? For the benefit of society?
#155 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-15 05:15 PM

#163 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

Human beings are one of only a handful of species that I am aware of who contain individuals who have sex without the intention of reproducing. Further, humans are the only species that has developed contraceptive methods.

If you're a bible believer, you might consider the above "free will" which is obviously one of the main variables that sets us humans apart from the rest of "god's created natural world". At least, that's what the bible would like you to believe.

There are people in the world who choose to marry and have sex who don't want to procreate. Some people don't want to have kids. How anti-instinctual is that?

"There are people in the world who choose to marry and have sex who don't want to procreate. Some people don't want to have kids. How anti-instinctual is that?"

Would you want to have sex with someone who looks like Rosie Odonnell?

"Do you crap in the woods, Crispee?"

Of course. Where do you crap when you are camping, fishing, hiking, hunting?

#165 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-15 06:07 PM

Would you like us to all chip in and buy you a porta-potty?

Ya never know if you're out in the woods at night takin' care of business when some big, ol' bear might come sneaking up on you.

Homosexual behavior in animals
#169 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2012-02-15 06:18 PM

LMAO... How long will those species survive if they don't reproduce?

I ain't going within a 1000 feet of this thread. lol

"Would you like us to all chip in and buy you a porta-potty?"

How many people do you know that strap on or tote a portap-potty when they are hiking, hunting, fishing and away from camp?

Not too many.

But then how many women do you take camping with you? LOL

Would you want to have sex with someone who looks like Rosie Odonnell?
#170 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

That's a crap answer for a crap perspective. Fitting.

Would you want to have sex with someone who looks like Rosie Odonnell?

O'Donnell is raising four kids (three adopted). How many people in this discussion are continuing the species more than her?

LMAO... How long will those species survive if they don't reproduce?
#172 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

Homosexuality has been present in the human species (I'd argue) longer than the institution of marriage. If I'm wrong on that premise, homosexuality has been around for thousands of years within the human species, in the least.

The world is more overpopulated now than ever. Homosexuality is more accepted now in the global society than it ever has. Do you see a correlation? Why yes! So do I! Although, correlation is vastly different and far less significant than causation.

Try again.

Not too many.

But then how many women do you take camping with you? LOL
#175 | Posted by CalifChris at 2012-02-15 06:26 PM |

They rough it like everyone else. They have it made as well. They are never allowed to cook, clean, make camp, bait their hooks, clean their fish. We menfolk take that shit seriously...

#177 | POSTED BY RCADE

Not me. I'm one of those outliers who is choosing to marry without any intention of procreating. Selfish? Maybe. Or you can take the view that I'm simply doing my duty to curb overpopulation, and as Kanrei has pointed out as a result, I'm also combatting MMGW (MMCC, ACC - or whatever you people call it now).

O'Donnell is raising four kids (three adopted). How many people in this discussion are continuing the species more than her?

#177 | Posted by rcade at 2012-02-15 06:31 PM |

The question posed was would you want to have sex with Rosie Odonnell? How many did that resulted in her getting pregnant?

They are never allowed to cook, clean, make camp, bait their hooks, clean their fish, or pee standing up. We menfolk take that shit seriously...
#179 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

FTFY

That's a crap answer for a crap perspective. Fitting.

#176 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2012-02-15 06:31 PM |

No, wanting to have sex with Rosie Odonnell is anti-instinctual....

#182 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2012-02-15 06:38 PM

I said menfolk. Not littleboy folk such as yourself Rusty. Not surprised you missed they are treated like royalty when they go camping...

The question posed was would you want to have sex with Rosie Odonnell? How many did that resulted in her getting pregnant?

#181 | Posted by crispee_oc at

there was a time she wa almost doable

"there was a time she wa almost doable"

lol... Almost would be after a 5th of Tequila. Ever notice her hands look like gorilla paws?

#184 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

It was a fucking joke, Crisp. Lighten the fuck up!

Jesus Herman Christ

"It was a fucking joke, Crisp. Lighten the fuck up!"

Littleboy folk cut you that deep RB? lol

#188 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

Not at all. That was the irony in using such strong vocabulary =P

"They already have equal rights, and then some. Gays can get married now. They want marriage redefined to accommodate their alternative lifestyle."

Why has no one pointed out to Huge Not that gays would be about as happy with this arrangement as Huge Not would be having to suck dick?

What is the instinctive purpose of all living things? To reproduce?

#159 | Posted by crispee_oc

Hmmmmm... I guess all that wild scrumping I did with my GF in Albuquerque last weekend was just wrong because it was merely for recreation with no intent to procreate.

I was married once upon a time and the marriage produced no children. So the marriage should never have been recognized as valid or legal then, right?

Granted, as far as biology goes, there is only one Prime Directive: reproduce. All the rest is fluff. Well, humans have taken the Fluff Factor to the nth level. We likes our Fluff.

So what if a gay civil union doesn't produce offspring. What's it to you? You must be anti-liberty, anti-freedom, set on suppressing equal rights and equal treatment under the law for certain groups that do nothing to you except make you feel All Ookie.

Well, that's Just Fucking Too Bad For You. Step off the bus and let the rest of us evolve, would y'a huh?

This should help obscure that NJ is in top ten list of States that are projected to go bankrupt before long.

Some people don't want to have kids. How anti-instinctual is that?

#168 | Posted by rstybeach11

Crusty has no idea what a loving committed relationship is like or he would understand completely that it is not always about the sex or making babies. It is about having a soul mate. A mate to share your life with. Sex is optional. (but one of the better options)

Not too many.
But then how many women do you take camping with you? LOL
#175 | Posted by CalifChris at 2012-02-15 06:26 PM
They rough it like everyone else. They have it made as well. They are never allowed to cook, clean, make camp, bait their hooks, clean their fish. We menfolk take that shit seriously...
#179 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-15 06:35 PM

Women are utterly useless when it comes to baiting hooks, unrolling bags or even walking correctly. Fuck, why in hell are they even allowed to gestate to viability?! JESUS!

The question posed was would you want to have sex with Rosie Odonnell? How many did that resulted in her getting pregnant?
#181 | Posted by crispee_oc at
there was a time she wa almost doable
www.google.com
#185 | Posted by truthhurts at 2012-02-15 06:55 PM

Rosie in leather is turning me even more gay, dude.

Hope that Rosie would put Hasselbeck in a headlock was the only reason I tuned in to The View at all. Man, I hated that stupid Religiously conservative bitch - isn't she there to be despised, ala Nellie Olson? Dynamics in denial only takes the show so far.. after Barbara dumped O'Donnell I dumped the View.