The nation's Roman Catholic bishops? The nation's Roman Catholic bishops dress in ... ah.. well... pink and black dresses, hide disgusting activity with the most innocent children and now would seek to stamp some sort of ownership over the uterus of women!!! They have no power, they have no elected oversight on anything or anybody!!! Who are they!? Who cares except fools who would are too eager to help or obey such schadenfreude?!!!!

I guess if you cannot bitch about the economy any longer the right has to gin up another controversy.

Fauxrage on!

I think it is hilarious that a handful of pedo men have their collective panties in a wad over what 98% of the congregation already says is a non issue.

Then they cry and whine about declining parish enrollment.

AwwwwwwRITE~!~!~!

Itz another thread for

Let's talk trash about Christians~!

Posted by BruceBigot at 11:38 PM | 3 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry

Little surprise this thread was launched by the resident religious bigot.

Then they cry and whine about declining parish enrollment.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2012-02-12 07:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

When?

Where?

In the face of your socialist schools, most Catholic schools in urban areas have waiting lists of parents desperate to provide their children with a decent, affordable edumacation.

Once again, you are full of shit.

Then cut the compromise or cut the whole Insured Death program, better yet cut the POTUS from his job for high crimes like the NDAA signatures.

Like why offer a deal to appease bishops when 98% of the Catholic PEOPLE don't agree? Who is he representing? What did he hope to accomplish other than another bribe? IMPEACH the ___.

Little surprise this thread was launched by the resident religious bigot.
#4 | POSTED BY VERNON AT 2012-02-12 08:15 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Care to explain?

How about you do it in bible verses.

"Like why offer a deal to appease bishops when 98% of the Catholic PEOPLE don't agree?"

This straw dog argument again? Look: people don't like government dictating to their religion. Watch the results in November, Reitze. Obama really screwed this up.

...most Catholic schools in urban areas have waiting lists ...

#5 | POSTED BY VERNON

Are you high? They can't close them fast enough in Philly.

These same Bishops don't give a fuck that the RC Church is lousy with boy rapists.

200 priests suspected of abuse living in California

In 2007 the LA Archdiocese reached an unprecedented $660 million settlement with many of the plaintiffs without admitting any wrong-doing.

It also agreed to let the courts decide which of the case-related church files should be made public, including those identifying alleged and admitted predators.
But according to Boucher and court documents, the Catholic Church has since engaged in a cover-up. By Boucher's account, church officials allowed priests suspected of sexually abusing children to retire, flee the country or hide in rehab clinics until the statute of limitations on prosecution ran out.

If 100% of all Catholics who do not practice birth control in their daily lives, past, present, or in future plans, vote 100% Republican, and half of the Catholics who choose to accept personal responsibility for their family planning, with safe scientifically sound contraceptives, vote for the President, I see a landslide for Obama with the Catholic Vote.

Catholics use Birth Control. They use them in overwhelming numbers.

Catholics enjoy no input into church policy. They have no choice in forming church policy. They do understand the solemn responsibility involved in bringing a child into the world.

This over reaching of the Bishops gives American Catholics, for the first time in history, the chance to tell the bishops to shove it.

Remember, this over reach on contraception is family advice from the people who brought to your families, decades and empowering and facilitating hundreds of pedophile clergy to repeatedly be in placed authority positions in schools and parishes all over the world.

If you, as an American Catholic want to demand that your church modernize to reflect your lives.

If you are Catholic, vote against the Bishops wish to return you to 12 kid families.

Vote against the pedophile priests.

Vote for Obama.

And send a little card or letter to your Pastor and your bishop and tell em why you will be voting for Obama.

Catholic need need to see themselves as millions of Martin Luthors.

You can be that guy.

The bishops, mullahs, and other bumbling self-professed spokesmen for god can all go hang themselves.

The world would be much better off.

-The bishops, mullahs, and other bumbling self-professed spokesmen for god can all go hang themselves.

Basically what Jesus said about the religious leaders of his day.

The government has no right to force anyone to pay for anyone else's health care. Period!

Secondly, birth control isn't a disease. If yall want screw everything that walks go ahead. Pay for your own condoms, pills, diaphragms etc. Suffer the consequence of STD's etc. Just don't think someone else should pay for your foolishness.

The ole, ya made your bed lie in it, needs to be taught.

Fucking perpetual adoloescents. Yall make me wanna puke.

Is there anything any of you slugs are willing to work for?

Anything?

If you are Catholic, vote against the Bishops wish to return you to 12 kid families.

Vote against the pedophile priests.

Vote for Obama.

And send a little card or letter to your Pastor and your bishop and tell em why you will be voting for Obama.

Catholic need need to see themselves as millions of Martin Luthors.

You can be that guy.

#11 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2012-02-12 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag

I'm curious what size you think familes should be.....Birth control pills weren't around in the 40's, 50's and 12 kid families weren't the norm.

Why do you suppose we import labor? Why do you suppose SS is broke and un-sustainable?

"If you are Catholic, vote against the Bishops wish to return you to 12 kid families.
Vote against the pedophile priests.
Vote for Obama."

I laugh! This bigotry is exactly what the Obamadens think will win in November!

I was raised as a Catholic. Or perhaps lowered. :-) Whatever. But seriously, I strongly disagree with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops statement, which denounces President Barack Obama's attempts at compromise as "needless government intrusion in the internal governance of religious institutions". On the contrary, the Bishops comments are themselves a needless religious intrusion upon the proper and legitimate functions of government...functions that serve to promote women's rights, and equality, and fairness for ALL. No one is coming into our Churches and trying to tell parishioners what to believe. BUT If the Bishops want to start businesses that employ millions of people of varying faiths -or no "faith" at all- THEN they must play by the rules. Just because a religious group in America claims to believe something, we cannot excuse them from obeying the law in the PUBLIC arena, based on that belief. They can legally attempt to change the law, not to deny it outright. And if they want to plunge overtly into politics from the pulpit, then they should give up their tax-exempt status. Did I miss something, or when it comes to the "sanctity of life", is every single righteous Catholic still a card carrying conscientious objector, refusing to take up arms, and totally against the death penalty, and contraception in all its forms? Oh well, hypocrisy is at the heart of politics, and politics masquerading as religion even more so. This country is an invigorating mixture of all the diversity that life has to offer, drawing its strength FROM that diversity. We need to work together to preserve, enrich, and strengthen this unique experiment - NOT to tear it down with poisonous, paralyzing, and un-Christian demonization of each other.

Secondly, birth control isn't a disease. If yall want screw everything that walks go ahead. Pay for your own condoms, pills, diaphragms etc. Suffer the consequence of STD's etc. Just don't think someone else should pay for your foolishness.

You do realize that BC pills are used for more than preventing pregnancy, right?

Like why offer a deal to appease bishops when 98% of the Catholic PEOPLE don't agree? Who is he representing? What did he hope to accomplish other than another bribe? IMPEACH the ___.

#6 | Posted by reitze

Ok, big question for you. Was this 98% figure the product of a polling of the complete Catholic population, or is it a sample polling?

Does this 98% directly equate to the amount of Catholics who believe that the Catholic Church should be required to provide contraceptives?

Just because there is a poll that shows that 98% of Catholics use contraceptives doesnt mean that the church should have to provide contraceptives. The established doctrine of the church has been, for quite some time, that abstinence from sex is the only acceptable form of contraceptive. It doesnt matter why. The federal government shouldnt be permitted to require coverage that doesnt involve actual wellness anyway.

You do realize that BC pills are used for more than preventing pregnancy, right?

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-12 07:29 PM |

Yeah, I've even heard that if you swallow a whole months supply at once you can catch a buzz.

Is that right, Danni?

You could have just admitted they have a legitimate medical purpose, but instead you chose to continue to look like an idiot.

"The established doctrine of the church has been, for quite some time, that abstinence from sex is the only acceptable form of contraceptive."

That's when they're a church. But in this instance, they formed as a corporation so it would purposely be a separate entity from the church itself. Seems they want it both ways.

"The established doctrine of the church has been, for quite some time, that abstinence from sex is the only acceptable form of contraceptive."

The unspoken other half is to have sex with little boys.

But I can understand why you left that out.

Seems they want it both ways.

Isn't that the truth.

""The unspoken other half is to have sex with little boys.""

Not every priest is a pedophile. The ones that did it, and the ones that covered it up should be in jail. That doesnt give the feds the all-clear to force the Church to provide contraceptives against its religious creed.

That's when they're a church. But in this instance, they formed as a corporation so it would purposely be a separate entity from the church itself. Seems they want it both ways.

#23 | Posted by Danforth

They dont want it both ways. They dont want to engage in an activity that violates their doctrine. Plain and simple. The requirement for providing contraception isnt reasonable according to their beliefs. Perhaps the Obama administration needs to take a step back and quit dictating how and where health coverage is provided.

Not every priest is a pedophile. The ones that did it, and the ones that covered it up should be in jail. That doesnt give the feds the all-clear to force the Church to provide contraceptives against its religious creed.

I know not all priests are pedophiles.

But would suggest that the extent to which the Church was aware of it and did nothing (well, to fix it anyway) indicates how seriously they really take their religious creed.

That's when they're a church. But in this instance, they formed as a corporation so it would purposely be a separate entity from the church itself. Seems they want it both ways.

#23 | Posted by Danforth

"they have 2000 years of hardball political experience that make Chicago style look like parlor games"

Not much of a military though, the Pope probably wants to think twice before he declares war on Obama. Seal Team six, your mission.......

"Perhaps the Obama administration needs to take a step back and quit dictating how and where health coverage is provided."

Let the church preach to the individuals, Obama is doing nothing but making birth control available, he isn't forcing it on anyone, he isn't even causing them to ask for it, he is only making sure it is available if they want it. The church is harmed in no way what-so-ever, the Bishop's objections are political not really based on principle. Even Catholic organizations are rejecting the Bishops' ridiculous attempt to dictate to Catholic women how they should deal with their own bodies. They should all go back to the fifteenth century where they belong, we can't afford their ignorance in the 21st.

But would suggest that the extent to which the Church was aware of it and did nothing (well, to fix it anyway) indicates how seriously they really take their religious creed.

#27 | Posted by jpw

So in other words, you lose on the finer point of whether the church should have to provide contraceptives, so bring up pedophilia. Pedestrian, to say the least.

Even Catholic organizations are rejecting the Bishops' ridiculous attempt to dictate to Catholic women how they should deal with their own bodies. They should all go back to the fifteenth century where they belong, we can't afford their ignorance in the 21st.

#30 | Posted by danni

They arent dictating to women how they should deal with their bodies in this case. they are saying that the gov't needs to back off and stop dictating how and what they provide in their health care plans.

Incidentally, the Church is going to lay out guidelines for how women act according to faith. That is what Churches do.

So in other words, you lose on the finer point of whether the church should have to provide contraceptives, so bring up pedophilia.

Ummmmm, actually I was playing off of Dan's post that they want it both ways and was suggesting that their religious doctrine is only important when they can use it for gain.

Pedestrian, to say the least.

What's with you and "pedestrian" lately? I swear I've seen you use it on every thread I've seen comments on lately. Did you just learn a new word and want to show it off?

There really isnt a word that describes someone that chews up thread space by making low-ball, pointless comments. Maybe I should mix it up a bit.

"Amateur"
"Worthless"
"Humdrum"
"Mundane"
"Complete waste of f()cking life"

Not much of a military though, the Pope probably wants to think twice before he declares war on Obama. Seal Team six, your mission.......
#29 | Posted by danni

JRDunn-AT: ~ history has its own rules that are not our rules ~
What [conventional wisdom] overlook is two thousand years of history ..
[no organization survives that long] without internalizing things not completely understood by even the deepest thinkers among us
~ The Church survived the fall of Rome, the barbarians, the first Muslim upsurge, several schisms, the Renaissance princes, the 20th-century totalitarians, and its own plunges into decadence ..

~ now this man, afraid of revealing his own college transcripts, thinks he can take on the Church of Peter, founded a millennium before the appearance of any nation now existing on this earth ..

There really isnt a word that describes someone that chews up thread space by making low-ball, pointless comments. Maybe I should mix it up a bit.

Which one of those do yo apply to yourself?

You come across as someone absolutely convinced of their own intellectual prowess only because you don't notice the eyes rolling every time you speak.

"They arent dictating to women how they should deal with their bodies in this case. they are saying that the gov't needs to back off and stop dictating how and what they provide in their health care plans."

Except they aren't providing it, the insurance company is and the company is willing to do it because it will save them lots of money. The Catholic Bishops, not the majority of Catholics, are the objectors and it has less to do with birth control and more to do with the authority and power of the Bishops and likewise the church. The church sees it's power waning, the world celebrates while the priests cry foul.

"~ The Church survived the fall of Rome, the barbarians, the first Muslim upsurge, several schisms, the Renaissance princes, the 20th-century totalitarians, and its own plunges into decadence .. "

Was there really one century, in all that history, that the church was really a force for good and not really just a force for patriarchy to the detriment of women? The church has fought, as if God commanded it to, every single advance in women's rights in history. The church has not, in and of itself, been a force for good but some of its ministries have though the one's which did the most real good were usually stopped by the Vatican. This is the same Republican Party today that only several decades ago helped murder priests, bishops, arch bishops in San Salvador and other countries in S. America. This is the same church that said we should not invade Iraq but today is aligned with Republicans? Neither the Republicans nor the Catholic Church have clean hands and both should be rejected as moral compasses.
Pedophelia anyone?
Puhleeeeez.
Catholic Church is authoritative on morality of any kind? Hilarious.

You come across as someone absolutely convinced of their own intellectual prowess only because you don't notice the eyes rolling every time you speak.

#36 | Posted by jpw

The other things I dont notice is a measured and logical response. For your part, agreeing with what is said on the one hand, and a bunch of smartass comments on the other.

""Except they aren't providing it, the insurance company is and the company is willing to do it because it will save them lots of money.""

The Church facilitates those health care plans, therefore they have the right to object to provisions in them. Case in point, if a Muslim cultural center or school were forced to provide a food item in its cafeteria, or PETA were forced to provide flu vaccines which utilize ingredients from eggs.

Excuse me;

Case in point, if a Muslim cultural center or school were forced to provide a non-Halal food in its cafeteria, or PETA's health coverage was required to provide flu vaccines which utilize ingredients from eggs.

The bottom line is, the Church objects to the use of artificial contraceptives. Whether or not 100% of Catholics choose to acquiesce to the Churches teaching is pointless. The Church is in no way standing in the way of women taking contraceptives, it simply isnt providing them.

Then again, the left has a problem separating the right to have access and facilitating access.

The other things I dont notice is a measured and logical response.

I give them when they're warranted. Little of what you say warrants them.

For your part, agreeing with what is said on the one hand, and a bunch of smartass comments on the other.

Why are these mutually exclusive? On that thread I agreed with some of your statements but not others.

Case in point, if a Muslim cultural center or school were forced to provide a non-Halal food in its cafeteria

Bad example IMO.

The law wouldn't force the Church to distribute the BC pills, just that they'd be paying for a service under which they'd be available.

"The Church is in no way standing in the way of women taking contraceptives, it simply isnt providing them."

Exactly. They aren't providing them, the insurance companies that wish to be part of the insurance exchange program are. The church is just deciding which of those companies they want to do business with. The problem for the church, the insurance companies know it is in their interest to make contraception available because pregnancy is far more expensive.

Catholic Church is authoritative on morality of any kind? Hilarious.
#38 | Posted by danni

re #29 .. about that mission you implied ..
demographics suggest that Seal Team Six could be 50%+ Roman Catholic .. give or take, of course

"The law wouldn't force the Church to distribute the BC pills, just that they'd be paying for a service under which they'd be available."

The "church" won't be forced to do anything unless you think that a business, just because it is owned by the church, is then "the church."
With the church so out spoken in regards to "businesses" they should be taxed as "businesses."

the insurance companies that wish to be part of the insurance exchange program are. The church is just deciding which of those companies they want to do business with. The problem for the church, the insurance companies know it is in their interest to make contraception available because pregnancy is far more expensive.

#44 | Posted by danni

"demographics suggest that Seal Team Six could be 50%+ Roman Catholic .. give or take, of course"

Possible. What's your guess as to who they would consider their CinC? The Pope of the President? I pray to God you don't choose the Pope.

"that means that the Church IS the insurance company"

OK, then follow the same rules as all other insurance companies or don't pretend to be an insurance company.

The requirement for providing contraception isnt reasonable according to their beliefs. Perhaps the Obama administration needs to take a step back and quit dictating how and where health coverage is provided.

#26 | Posted by americanPLY at 2012-02-12 08:01 PM |

The DR libs probably don't understand this part of the Lords Prayer, either.

"lead us not to temptation but deliver us from evil".

re Seal Team Six:
What's your guess as to who they would consider their CinC? The Pope of the President? I pray to God you don't choose the Pope.
#48 | Posted by danni

.. maybe there is a predominately "Progressive" Seal Team ..
oops, Progressives don't go for that National Security - Love of Country shit ..
they're prolly hanging at Starbucks or at Occupy DC

"The DR libs probably don't understand this part of the Lords Prayer, either."

Oh please, are you going to pretend that conservatives, Republicans, Catholics, Catholic clergy don't own parts of liquor companies, gambling establishments, etc., the belief that the Catholic Church doesn't represent "temptation" is ridiculous.
It's only when it is a temptation to not be pregnant after committing the "sin" of intercourse that the celebate priests are outraged. Time to realize that celebacy doesn't convey wisdom.

"oops, Progressives don't go for that National Security - Love of Country shit .."

Osama Bin Laden might want to question that stupid analysis.

#53 .. I see you're getting tired .. thx 4 the discussion

The law wouldn't force the Church to distribute the BC pills, just that they'd be paying for a service under which they'd be available.

#43 | Posted by jpw

It forces them to facilitate the dispensation. Thats the point. Freedom of association is a basic tenet of Liberty. Forcing the church to facilitate the providing of birth control violates its rights under the first amendment. Having the freedom of religion is pointless without the freedom to live according to conscience.

""Oh please, are you going to pretend that conservatives, Republicans, Catholics, Catholic clergy don't own parts of liquor companies, gambling establishments, etc., the belief that the Catholic Church doesn't represent "temptation" is ridiculous.""

Thats a pretty bold claim. Perhaps you could provide an example of where the Church as an entity owns part of a liquor company or casino?

Thats a pretty bold claim. Perhaps you could provide an example of where the Church as an entity owns part of a liquor company or casino?
#56 | Posted by americanPLY

Well that answers it then, L E. I stand refuted. LOL

Having the freedom of religion is pointless without the freedom to live according to conscience.

That's beside the point.

If you're providing health insurance for others, you do not have the right to impose your conscience on them.

What you're saying it's okay for a woman to be denied coverage for contraception, because her boss signed the company up for that type of plan.

The problem is obvious. Your boss should not be making your health care decisions.

Having the freedom of religion is pointless without the freedom to live according to conscience.

If the Amish can live with an orange triangle on the back of their buggies, I suspect you too can live up to the standards of the modern world.

But if your conscience really won't let you, then get out of the health insurance business.

In the face of your socialist schools, most Catholic schools in urban areas have waiting lists of parents desperate to provide their children with a decent, affordable edumacation.
Once again, you are full of shit.

#5 | POSTED BY VERNON AT 2012-02-12 08:24 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Once again you are full of shit.

Catholic clergy don't own parts of liquor companies, gambling establishments

Bingo, booze and "Las Vegas" nights. The church, like christians everywhere pick and choose which teachings they will live by.

It's only when it is a temptation to not be pregnant after committing the "sin" of intercourse that the celebate priests are outraged.

Precisely.

The Catholic Church is trying to get Obama to do their job of repressing the sin of sex with procreating.

Gotta keep the base of donors growing.

The church, like christians everywhere pick and choose which teachings they will live by.

Why my own parish has sent out letters instructing people to donate via credit card even though they are not able to attend church every week which is a sin.

The Catholic Church has no one to blame but themselves when they backed Obamacare from the beginning.

Now They are overreaching and trying to have it both ways.

Women still have choice in this country for BC and abortion. They are doing an Obama by thinking They know what is 'right' for others.

"The Catholic Church has no one to blame but themselves when they backed Obamacare from the beginning."

Yup... They also support legalizing all immigrants. Funny how the left tolerates them when it is convienent...

AGAIN..these men wont get a lot of sympathy from me, but they will get support if that makes sense

THEY BROUGHT THIS SHIT ON THEMSLEVES when many of them supported the buttfucking of the american taxpayer known as the affordable health care act....

AND ON SUNDAY SHOW

the poor new COS for barry...lew I think his name was....
he SPUN this shit on everyshow and I felt sorry for him but he was doing barry's dirty work pretty good..

THEN ON THIS WEEK he fucked up when he said the gop didnt suppport womens health care issues

then he became just another dogshit eating LYING mother fucker from the white house......too bad...he seemed okay for most of the morning...

""That's beside the point.""

No, thats precisely the point.

""If you're providing health insurance for others, you do not have the right to impose your conscience on them.""

You arent imposing your will on others if you are making their coverage contingent upon them NOT using birth control. Not providing it due to conscience is a separate issue.

""What you're saying it's okay for a woman to be denied coverage for contraception, because her boss signed the company up for that type of plan.""

No, what Im saying is that the Catholic Church has a long and well established doctrine against the use of artificial birth control. They have the right to act according to their conscience.

""The problem is obvious. Your boss should not be making your health care decisions.""

The government shouldnt have that power either.

#59 | Posted by snoofy

"The problem is obvious. Your boss should not be making your health care decisions."

The government shouldnt have that power either.

The government is requiring coverage, not denying it.
In other words, the government isn't making health care decisions.
They're stepping in to make sure you, not your employer, can decide for yourself what sort of contraception, if any, is appropriate.
And, here's the kicker, the government is making sure access to contraceptive health care is based on medical evidence, not mythology.
Finally, the government is not forcing anyone to take contraceptives.

I can see how one might interpret this as government trampling religious freedom.
But really, it's the other way round.
The government is standing up for a personal freedom that is under attack, ostensibly on religious grounds.

No, what Im saying is that the Catholic Church has a long and well established doctrine against the use of artificial birth control. They have the right to act according to their conscience.

And they do preach their conscience, in Church and in newspapers and magazines.
But they do not have a right to impose their conscience on anyone.
And they certainly don't have any right to interject themselves between a patient and doctor.
Legally, the Catholic Church isn't even qualified to dispense medical advice.
Thus, they can preach against contraception all they want.
But not in a hospital, or health plan.

Boxxy feat... oh whell wrong paste-text. Anyway, AMU, IDK where the 98% poll nubmer came from. Sure it's prolly slanted - but even if it was really 75% still WTF?

Like why would Obama make a consession for Catholics that Catholics themselves were against - just because their foreign .org owners said so? Who did they buy? Is it bribery? WTF?

And btw--the Catholic Charities and many other religious organizations are self insured for their employees.