This lawsuit is so going nowhere...

Typical to use the courts to take money away from someone else for their own malfeasance.

Why not set up a checkpoint and check all the cars and people coming onto the reservation for alcohol?

Take some personal responsibility instead of blaming.

"You cannot sell 4.9 million 12-ounce cans of beer and wash your hands like Pontius Pilate, and say we've got nothing to do with it being smuggled," said Tom White, the tribe's Omaha-based attorney.

Actually, I they can...unless they have evidence showing the beer companies participated in or encouraged the smuggling.

This isn't surprising. The res I grew up near would occasionally pull shit like for money despite the fact they already got a large check on their 18th birthday or something like that.

Just a money ploy likely to benefit a few.

Tribe suing beer company over alcoholism, seeks life time supply of beer as compensation.

A dozen residents, 5 million cans of beer...whoever recycles those cans must be making a small fortune.

Suit's probably going nowhere, but the story highlights the endemic problem at Pine Ridge - and it ain't just Pine Ridge - a part of the legacy of Manifest Destiny and conquest with which few non-Indian Americans ever come into extended contact.

Everyone is a victim.

A dozen residents, 5 million cans of beer...whoever recycles those cans must be making a small fortune.

#5 | Posted by Tedly at 2012-02-10 05:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Beer money, plus a carton of smokes

"....the reservation, which encompasses some of the nation's most impoverished counties."

So leave the fucking reservation and get a job somewhere.

Or at least call Harrah's an open a casino.

#9 | Posted by vernon | Flag: ANOTHER USELESS BYPRODUCT OF "MANIFEST DESTINY"

Suit's probably going nowhere, but the story highlights the endemic problem at Pine Ridge - and it ain't just Pine Ridge - a part of the legacy of Manifest Destiny and conquest with which few non-Indian Americans ever come into extended contact.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-10 07:10 AM | Reply |

So says Starveus, a co-litigant, as he cracks open another cold one in his 55 degree basement eyeing the growing mound of metallic recycling wealth surrounding his disheveled existence.

Pour yourself another, Mudflap, you mooched hard for it.

Or better yet, go live on one of the more typical Indian reservations in this country - no, not the few places where casinos rake in cash - but the squalid locales usually well out of sight of most Americans.

#11 | Posted by matsop at 2012-02-10 08:27 AM | Reply | Flag: ONE MORE MORON WHO DOESN'T KNOW HIS OWN COUNTRY

Ah yes....let's blame the beer companies for the plight of the American Indian and completely admonish the federal government for its years of creating an atmosphere of dependency and devaluation of self worth.

That way we don't have to acknowledge that the federal government did the same thing with the African American community.

That way we don't have to acknowledge that the federal government is attempting to do this to the rest of the United States Population via government "assistance" (wink,wink) programs.

You would think the "big government is my daddy" types never picked up a history book?

#12 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-10 08:32 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

#13 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-10 08:33 AM | Reply |

Sorry to disappoint you Doc, but I've financially supported the Navajo Nation in past years in the area of Gallup, New Mexico.

#15 | Posted by matsop | Flag: Bullshit

Sorry to disappoint you Doc, but I've financially supported the Navajo Nation in past years in the area of Gallup, New Mexico.

#15 | Posted by matsop at 2012-02-10 08:43 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

In fact; to be more specific, it's a school.

#15 | Posted by matsop | Flag: Bullshit

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-10 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag

Aaaaah, just some wisdom for you, Doc.

"Perception is a mirror not a fact. And what I look on is my state of mind, reflected outward."

"To perceive means to immobilize... we seize, in the act of perception, something which outruns perception itself."

"If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thru chinks of his cavern."----In Doc's case, his cave.

I hate to create confusion this morning in that closed mind of yours, Doc, but life is full of surprises and contradictions.

Thanks for making my point, Mudflap:

#15 | Posted by matsop | Flag: Bullshit

#19 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2012-02-10 08:54 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Flag: never can muster up the will to address a point.

It's called fear! And of course one would be fearful if they had never traded in their short pants and left the school dazzzze behind them.

#15 | Posted by matsop | Flag: Bullshit

#19 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-10 08:54 AM | Reply |

You see, Doc, I've studied the left for years. The conclusion is most of them are hypocrites. They talk the great game of compassion and support of the downtrodden,etc. but when it comes to parting with their largesse, they're nowhere to be seen. And that's why I believe they support big government so that many of the conservatives (who already take a large amount of their personal wealth---along with time--- to help the downtrodden etal.---studies confirm this phenomenom) are further taxed. And then you have the left that along with this avoid paying taxes--ala Timmy geithner and Tom Dashaway.

And Doc, you can rest assured that I wouldn't "bullshit" the artiste of bullshit.

"I've studied the left for years."

Just goes to show, the utility of the result is not necessarily directly related to the amount of time spent on the activity.

Suit's probably going nowhere, but the story highlights the endemic problem at Pine Ridge - and it ain't just Pine Ridge - a part of the legacy of Manifest Destiny and conquest with which few non-Indian Americans ever come into extended contact.

#6 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2012-02-10 07:10 AM

Probably, are you serious?

The Indians are a conquered people, just like most other peoples in the history of mankind have been conquered at one time or another.

Live with it

#20 | Posted by Dirk

Seriously, Dirk, you're way out of your depth.

Once you've mastered the shallow end of the pool, see if Mom and Dad will spring for a pair of floaties so you can explore where the adults swim.

"Probably, are you serious?"

Yes, Gasshouse, "probably," seriously.

All sorts of unanticipated outcomes may occur in a court, which is why I say "probably."

If I was as certain of a few things as you are of everything, why, I'd be a fool like you.

Now unwad your pantaloons and see if you can handle this like someone who actually made it through middle school.

"The Indians are a conquered people, just like most other peoples in the history of mankind have been conquered at one time or another."

What's that got to do with the story?

"Posted by glasshouse"

Oh, of course: nothing.

highlights the endemic problem at Pine Ridge

Yeah. That "problem" is that a large number of fucking gut-eaters are incapable of getting their shit together.

a part of the legacy of Manifest Destiny

It's actually a part coddling an entire class of people and creating a culture of utter dependency on the state. It's all about da check, innah, because that's all it has to be about. It's what happens when you create generation after generation of people who are nothing but wards of the state---and never force them to assimilate and function as normal human beings. In short, it's sort of a microcosm of left-wing public policy.

Almost every fucking Ugh on a rez in this country has subsidized groceries, health care, education, etc. etc. but they still can't seem to get their shit together. You have to wonder how much of that is the Ugh's fault, and how much of it is the fault of policy based on the emotions of the kinds of effete liberal faggots who sigh little breaths of remorse and cultural self-loathing as they *tsk* and *cluck* about what "manifest destiny" has done to those poor, noble savages.

Jesus Christ what a bunch of ignorant, patronizing fucks.

"noble savageS"

Who called them "noble"?
You.
Who called them "savages"?
You.
What a dumbfuck you are, goatroper boy.

What a dumbfuck you are, goatroper boy.

#28 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-10 09:40 AM | Reply

That's enough now Doc; I have to call you to account on that. You have no right to cast aspersions on goat's fine name.

They say most of the stores' customers come from the reservation, which spans southwest South Dakota and dips into Nebraska. "You cannot sell 4.9 million 12-ounce cans of beer and wash your hands like Pontius Pilate, and say we've got nothing to do with it being smuggled"

Suing a store because it exists? Nobody forced them to walk in and buy the beer. What a bunch of fucking babies.

"You cannot sell 4.9 million 12-ounce cans of beer and wash your hands like Pontius Pilate, and say we've got nothing to do with it being smuggled,"

Actually they can. They are running a legal business in a somewhat free country.

If the tribe wants to restrict the flow of goods into its territory then it needs to do a better job of securing its borders.

alcohol problems?

what about their tobacco problems?

that ship already sailed as the tobacco companies already settled that suit.

what about their gambling problems?

wait....they would have to sue themselves for that. not gonna happen.

This is as crazy as smokers suing the Tobacco companies ... er...oops.

Crisis

Seriously, Dirk, you're way out of your depth.
Once you've mastered the shallow end of the pool, see if Mom and Dad will spring for a pair of floaties so you can explore where the adults swim.

#24 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2012-02-10 09:25 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

"seriously" doc "seriously"....the idea that your dumb ass ever was actually paid to teach anything is a testament to the failure of the education system in this country. For a guy to continually bow down at the big government alter when there has not been one single government in the entire history of man kind that has not subjugated it's people and committed atrocities against them shows just how ignorant you truly are. "Seriously". You must be the epitome of tenures failings. "seriously". Not to mention the standing joke here on the DR. End of lesson! "seriously"

It is an old stat, but still true that minority areas tend to have more liquor stores and the billboards push booze or cigarettes more than in other areas.

It is an old stat, but still true that minority areas tend to have more liquor stores and the billboards push booze or cigarettes more than in other areas.

#36 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2012-02-10 10:43 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

When you give people just enough money to survive they will do just that and nothing more. It's not as if they have money enough for a new Lexus. They have just enough to drown their hopes and dreams. Dreams stripped away from them by the racist that pat them on the head and say "heres a little pity money" "I knew you couldn't do it without me because of the color of your skin" "now don't go moving into my neighborhood"!

Already posted yesterday:

So what they're saying is Injuns have no willpower. The noble redman is gonna end up with egg on his face just for filing this lawsuit

Native Americans DO have willpower.

The problem is the gov't beating the shit out of them generation after generation.

Stossel had a special on it. I'll try to find it.

There is a reservation where the residents actually own their home and property--on the reservation! They are kicking butt.

Then you have reservations like this Pine Ridge--it's all dependency.

They are not getting enough money from the gov't so they are inventing too much beer being available--in order to get more money!

Here is the video on Indians and depedency.

Highest poverty and lowest mortality.

Wow!

They have footage showing Pine Ridge of this story!

Flag: never can muster up the will to address a point.

#20 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-10 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Which is what makes this post so amusing:

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Seriously, is your inability to actually address the topic of the thread due to laziness, stupidity, or both?

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-01-09 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe I should sue GM because I was once once in a wreck while in one of their vehicles?????

In a related story, fat people are putting together a class action lawsuit against anyone who grows, transports, regulates or sells food.

.... Making the Piper Pay!

**** We can't..or won't Help our ADDICTION to Alcohol...but we're not so Drunk & Incapicated that we can't easily hire Lawyers to make others PAY.. for the undesirable outcomes of our Weaknesses!

what about their gambling problems?

wait....they would have to sue themselves for that. not gonna happen.

#33 | Posted by eberly

not so unreasonable

casinos have been sued but I don't think it was successful

I think anything that is addictive has the potential for lawsuits

I'm suing Rcade because of all my lost productivity.

I'll trade you two six packs of beer for a carton of cigarettes!

Seriously, if there were EVER a reason for disbarment(sp), this is it! If there's a need OR want - there's someone (possibly another Indian) to furnish a / the product in question! To blame is to acknowledge loss of control and leadership! What, no room for another Casino?

Most Indian Reservations have their own police, you know the one's, they stop you for anything they think they can get away with! Why not use one or two of the ones NOT WRITING ME A TICKET to perform sobriety checks 'randomly' at their limits! Just asking!

By all means let's let them 'win' enough money to go over to the liquor stores and STOCK UP! But, give it a few months - time for my family to build a STEEL building out there and sell our beer to - we'll be the 13th thru the 16th resident! I mean why miss out on such a good deal? How much beer can you buy with $50 million? I'm RICH!

It seems somewhere in the last fifty years or so, someone would have thought to get some type of legitimate help out there (or maybe a psychologist / psychiatrist declared them cured just as the 'funding' ran out, again!)!

NAW! 'JUST A BUNCH OF INDIANS! They'll go away - or pass out soon!

Redman like whiskey and beads and pretty colors.

They are suck children

~~~~~ Hedley Lamar

The media should portray Indians as at one with nature,
able to track footprints that are months old, and never
in the casino parking lot, blind-drunk & passed-out cold.

...oh, wait...

Sounds like Chief Tipsy has been drinking too much fire water. This suit is ridiculous. Build a Casino and get over it.

There are 7 players in the alcoholic game. An incredibly destructive trap that has more to do with the triumph of the USA over Russia than Reagan. Read Games People Play" by Eric Berne. Brilliant and succint.

Suit's probably going nowhere, but the story highlights the endemic problem at Pine Ridge - and it ain't just Pine Ridge - a part of the legacy of Manifest Destiny and conquest with which few non-Indian Americans ever come into extended contact.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Sounds like the trib's problem and not anyone elses. After 200 years of the problem it would seem like THEY should own up to THEIR problem and not blame the white man.

Sounds like the trib's problem and not anyone elses. After 200 years of the problem it would seem like THEY should own up to THEIR problem and not blame the white man.

#53 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2012-02-11 11:00 AM

But it is much easier to blame someone other than yourself for ones own shortcomings and failures.

This is like suing McDonalds for making people fat.

Sued by people who eat McDonalds every day!

And some folks say we don't need tort reform.

Once you've mastered the shallow end of the pool, see if Mom and Dad will spring for a pair of floaties so you can explore where the adults swim.

#24 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Why? Are you wondering what's it like there?

a part of the legacy of Manifest Destiny and conquest with which few non-Indian Americans ever come into extended contact.
#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

While you're probably right, I have lived on an Indian reservation my entire life. I'm white, as is my Wife and our children. I know a bit about natives and more specifically about different tribes.

JAK mentioned innah I'll bet he heard that from Crow indians. Blackfoot, Kootenai, or Salish say innit chks.

The Sioux need to stop collectively rejecting outside people and commerce. Their Elders are dying (along with their culture). The adults submerse themselves in alcoholism and drug addiction and neglect their children. Their youth repeat the cycle downward. Heritage and culture is lost and their lands are a pit of desperation. They choose to isolate and seclude themselves.

Epizootic hemorrhagic disease doesn't help but no one can blame that on Manifest Destiny....

I'll bet he heard that from Crow indians

Yep. Made many a pony track in the Little Bighorn Valley when I was a drifting cow-botherer. But I also worked in the country north of the Pine Ridge rez around Wall and Phillip SD and heard it there, too. They stream KILI FM live from Porcupine Butte and you can catch up on the nuances of Ugh-English from anywhere in the world in between sets of drum music.

The Crow helped us, so they got the prime country for the Rez. They're laid back and friendly, if not utterly fucking worthless and constantly drunk. They'd be scattered all over the street outside the 4 Aces in Hardin---always wanting a ride back out to the Rez, or gas money. Their houses were trashy, yards full of junk.

The northern Cheyenne did not help us. We gave them a Rez east of there towards Busby and Lame Deer---where the country is a lot drier and rockier. The Cheyenne are very surly, their Rez is very clean and orderly, and they do not like the Crow or the white man.

It is an amazing contrast.

Anyways, the divisional headquarters of the ranch was technically on the Crow rez, but we always smuggled tons of beer in from town when we were working out of HQ. When the wagon pulled out in late May, though, it was a different story.

Everyone is a victim.

#7 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2012-02-10 07:52 AM | REPLY | FLAG: ...AND NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS.

Some countries still don't have warning labels on alcohol even yet. How long have we had them in this country? 1980s? Not forever. Alcoholism is a disease that affects people differently. Native Americans (and interestingly Japanese) are very susceptible to alcohol poisoning. It is also genetic.

The warning labels are not clear enough as to the dangers to some of these people.

Some of these people ARE Victims. When you sell a product for a profit you also bear some responsibility for the damage it does.

Alcohol kills. Who is responsible for that? Do the warning labels even say alcohol kills yet?

This warning IS on the labels bu only recently admitting that alcohol is addictive. What about the people who got addicted before this label?

WARNING: Alcohol is a drug which may be addictive.

what about the people who drank it before that label was applied and got addicted? It is very similar to tobacco in that it is only recently that the alcohol industry has even admitted to the dangers of alcohol.

dinnie girl.................. It has been known by everyone for 200 years now. Indians can't handle alcohol. It has been known dor as many years as they have had cars that when they get drunk and drive, they kill themselves. It ain't news.

I don't know many Cheyenne but I'll bet it is not uncommon to see them well dressed, Pendleton shirt (long sleeved buttoned all the way to the top) expensive hat, boots, well groomed. I'll bet they don't talk much but are articulate.