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The rise of Rick Santorum has lead me to do some uncustomary soul searching. He says he will extend tax cuts for people like me which is very very important to me. But after much reflection I now realize that I love this great nation of ours far too much to ever support a candidate of Italian descent for our highest office. I can’t do it. I won’t do it!

No citation necessary.

Lest we forget...

Each year since he took office in 2009, Obama has continued the ritual of making public his economic forecasts. But he suffered a political backlash for a forecast his top economists issued in early 2009.

Obama's aides said then that if Congress were to pass his $800 billion economic stimulus package, it would prevent the U.S. unemployment rate from surging above 8 percent.

The Democratic-led Congress quickly approved the stimulus package but the jobless rate ultimately climbed above 10 percent before eventually declining to its current rate of 8.3 percent.

news.yahoo.com

When this appears in a post 'can’t do it. I won’t ' does it mean that the post is a copy and paste?

"Romneys missteps call to mind former Texas Governor Ann Richards zinger at George H.W. Bush at the Democratic National Convention in 1988: "He can't help it - he was born with a silver foot in his mouth."

At this juncture, Romneys biggest enemy in winning the nomination is not Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich or Ron Paul. It is not the mainstream media or reluctant conservative movement leaders who will gather at CPAC in Washington this weekend.

No, Mitt Romneys worst enemy is proving to be...Mitt Romney."

Read more: www.foxnews.com

Here's another item Obama can take a bow for (And not blame Bush for)
Last year, a federal program paid out $1.6 billion to cover free cell phones and the monthly bills of 12.5 million wireless accounts.

news.yahoo.com

#5 LOL They are called Obama phones here. Free phone and 250 free minutes a month. Life, Liberty, Freedom and Cel Phone Use as our founding fathers wanted it.

#5 LOL They are called Obama phones here. Free phone and 250 free minutes a month. Life, Liberty, Freedom and Cel Phone Use as our founding fathers wanted it.

#6 | Posted by gracieamazed

Yeah, kinda like wireless collars for the flock.

I've been watching The Wire recently, and seeing that cell phone story just makes me laugh when you think about how many phones must be used for drug deals. Tax workers to pay for free phones which are used for drugs which stop people from working who then need unemployment and food stamps and who then get arrested by cops who need more money from tax payers. (And that's the simplified picture of our Feds at work.)

Feherty is a Golf Channel announcer who finds very unique, colorful and uninhibited ways of explaining or describing whatever is on his mind...... Probably always on time delay these days.

Feherty Quotes:

"Fortunately, he (Rory) is 22 years old so his right wrist should be the strongest muscle in his body."

"That ball is so far left, Lassie couldn't find it if it was wrapped in bacon."

"I am sorry Nick Faldo couldn't be here this week. He is attending the birth of his next wife."

"They don't do comedy at the Masters. The Masters, for me, is like holding onto a really big collection of gas for a week. It's like having my buttocks surgically clenched at Augusta General Hospital on Wednesday, and surgically unclenched on Monday on the way to Hilton Head."

Jim Furyk's swing - "It looks like an octopus falling out of a tree."

"He's (Luke Donald) a bloody walking ATM. I slid my AmEx between the cheeks of his ass and out popped $500."

Describing VJ's prodigious practice regime - "VJ hits more balls than Elton John's chin."

"That's a great shot with that swing."

"It's OK - the bunker stopped it."

At Augusta 2011 - "It's just a glorious day. The only way to ruin a day like this would be to play golf on it."

"That was a great shot - if they'd put the pin there today."

"Everything moves except his bowels."

"Watching Phil Mickelson play golf is like watching a drunk chasing a balloon near the edge of a cliff."

"That green appears smaller than a Pygmie's nipple".

#6
Hey there Gracie!

I don't understand why the needy get cell
phones when Florida DCF provides $15/month for
land line assistance? That's all someone NEEDS,
right? The ability to call 911 or their child's
school or the doctor. Those are all local calls
so no nationwide access is necessary. I don't
understand it.

"Lest we forget...

Each year since he took office in 2009, Obama has continued the ritual of making public his economic forecasts. But he suffered a political backlash for a forecast his top economists issued in early 2009.

Obama's aides said then that if Congress were to pass his $800 billion economic stimulus package, it would prevent the U.S. unemployment rate from surging above 8 percent.

The Democratic-led Congress quickly approved the stimulus package but the jobless rate ultimately climbed above 10 percent before eventually declining to its current rate of 8.3 percent.

news.yahoo.com
#2 | Posted by wisgod at 2012-02-09 12:09 PM"

Forget or "mis-remembered"?:

"Romney, who led the Republican field by a sizeable margin in a state hammered by unemployment and foreclosures, used those themes to make his case against Obama.

He also repeated a claim we have heard -- and checked -- numerous times.

"Three years ago, a newly elected President Obama told America that if Congress approved his plan to borrow nearly a trillion dollars, he would hold unemployment below 8 percent," Romney said in his speech in Las Vegas on Feb. 4, 2012.

It's a common claim by critics of the stimulus bill, the two-year spending package Obama championed to get the economy going again.

We heard similar statements from House Republican Whip Eric Cantor in 2009, conservative columnist George Will in 2010, former presidential candidate Michele Bachmann in early 2011 and, most recently, from House Speaker John Boehner at the end of 2011.

Each time, we rated the claim Mostly False.

First, we have never found an instance of anyone in the administration making a public pledge to keep unemployment below 8 percent. The source for Romney's and the others' statements is a Jan. 9, 2009, report called "The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan" from Christina Romer, then chairwoman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, and Jared Bernstein, the vice president's top economic adviser."

www.politifact.com

"Let's take the most egregious exaggeration: "the $700 billion bailout." That figure is grossly outdated. Bachmann is referring to the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), which President Bush signed into law in October 2008. As the CBO explained in a November 2010 report, the "authority for the Troubled Asset Relief Program was originally set at a maximum of $700 billion; however, that total was reduced to $475 billion in the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act." But the estimated net cost to taxpayers will be $25 billion after the government sells its stocks and the companies repay the money, as CBO estimated in its report."

www.factcheck.org

otrans.3cdn.net

So Congress passed the Insider trading deal, but everyman's hero-Eric Cantor (R-Moneywhore) made sure his K Street masters are allowed to continue to profit from secret discussions.

Cantor nixed a provision that would have required a burgeoning K Street industry of consultants who glean inside information about legislative proposals, then alert their clients â€" hedge funds and other investment houses â€" about the likely outcome so they can buy or sell their stakes in advance. Unlike federally registered lobbyists, who disclose their actions and sources of income, the political intelligence industry has operated below the radar.

“It’s astonishing and extremely disappointing that the House would fulfill Wall Street’s wishes by killing this provision,” said Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), sponsor of the Senate-approved amendment. “The Senate clearly voted to try to shed light on an industry that’s behind the scenes.”

In addition, the Cantor draft dropped a bipartisan provision that the Senate approved on a unanimous voice vote that would have restored some elements of federal corruption law that the Supreme Court unanimously rejected last year. This “honest services” provision served as the basis for the prosecution of lawmakers, lobbyists and former congressional staffers in connection with the investigation of lobbyist Jack Abramoff, as well as the prison sentences issued to Enron executives, but it was declared overly broad by the court.

www.washingtonpost.com

I've been watching The Wire recently, and seeing that cell phone story just makes me laugh when you think about how many phones must be used for finding work. Tax workers to pay for free phones which are used for finding work which stops people from doing drugs who then don't need unemployment and food stamps and who then don't get arrested by cops who don't need more money from tax payers. (And that's the simplified picture of our Feds at work.)

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Hi Bella. Sadly people are confused over rights v. entitlements.

#11 | Posted by TrueBlue

Using facts against Rwing talking points is unfair.

15 yard penalty.

(I miss football altready)

"In short, it was an economic projection with warnings of a high margin for error, not a take-it-to-the-bank pledge of an upper limit on unemployment."

So Trueblue's defense is Obama told us of the high margin of error and not to take it to the bank.
You're right, shit-head. I forgot or mis-rememberd....

My butt hurts!

--wisgod--
--bella--
--gracie--
--bay--

It's like a whine orchestra. And now for their latest hit, 'The economy is improving but i'm not', here are 'The Whiners'.

'Waaaaa-Waa-Wa-
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,
Ooooooo,
ma butt hurts, yes it true,
Obama sucks, yes he do',
Obama sucks, Michelle too',
etc...etc.....

#5 & #11
We're still going to head into
the double dipper recession bowl.

We're still going to head into
the double dipper recession bowl.

Will that affect the Cayman Islands and Moon Unit Callista, too?

But keep praying sunshine christians, maybe you'll get your wish and God will damn America again, like he did in Katrina and 9-11.

#17
Lip, I'm pretty much a solo act.
You've never seen me post like that.
If you think you have, show me!

Still. I don't mind being in the company of
Wis, Bay or Gracie. Even YOU, Lip!

(Actually, my right hip is in exquisite pain
at the moment because my degenerating discs,
well, are degenerating. But, I'm not "butt-hurt".)
:)

Boo hoo! dey be pick'in on de one! Dat ole Bush be gone fo 3 year and lordy, lordy de high times be back cause a de O wit Soul. Obama have us rollin down the street, smokin indo and drink'in gin n juice.

double dip recession.

#18 | Posted by Bellatrix

no. but get ready for some serious inflation. that's the way the economy works.

and obama, like any president, outside of keynesian stuff, has no control over it.

#19
North, I'm not a x-tian.
I don't care who has what in the Cayman Islands.
Who is Moon Unit Callista?

LOL Bella, #20. Bay has the flu and has not been here ost of the week. I try to keep posts on the light side and if I am going to be accused of keeping company here that's a damn fine list as far as I am concerned.

Actually, my right hip is in exquisite pain
at the moment because my degenerating discs,
well, are degenerating. But, I'm not "butt-hurt".

#20 | Posted by Bellatrix

oops. i probably would have chosen better words had i known of your condition. sorry.

and obama, like any president, outside of keynesian stuff, has no control over it.

#22 | Posted by Lipzoidial

I forgot they changed all the rules when he took the oath. Too bad W never got that playbook.

Bella when do you go back to the Doctors? And I hope you are NOT over-doing it.

Anyone here attending the CPAC meeting in D.C. this weekend? I was invited to go. I pretty much get invited every year. Donate enough money to the RNC and they give you an invite. I'm not going though. It's being held at the Marriott (Wardman Park). A lot of boring speeches and then we all head over to Teatro Goldoni and get smashed. Instead I'm flying down to Cabo tomorrow with my new lady friend.

No citation necessary.

#21
lol!

Hi Bella. Sadly people are confused over rights v. entitlements.

#14 | Posted by gracieamazed

You got that one correct. You have the right to buy a cell phone if you can afford it. You don't have the right to reach into my wallet for something you think you need.

People get confused over entitlements too. Something I put money into and expect to get it back is NOT an entitlement. A freeby is an entitlement.

Instead I'm flying down to Cabo tomorrow with my new lady friend.

#28 | Posted by BradfordWinston

She has a 2-seater broom?

Bay has the flu and has not been here ost of the week.

#24 | Posted by gracieamazed

I hope she cuts down on her crack smoking while she's sick.

Drugs are Bad, m'kay

Instead I'm flying down to Cabo tomorrow with my new lady friend.

#28 | Posted by BradfordWinston

I hate when you have to put your dog in one of those animal cages, and then they put them back in the luggage area......

#27
Hopefully tomorrow.
I'm definitely not overdoing as I
have lost about 50% of the use of
my right leg.
Bah! I didn't need that leg anyway.
got another one! HA!
(and a really pretty cane.)
NO WALKER! NO WAY!
My son thinks my "walking stick"
is cool. He says I could use it to
take out bad guys.

If we don't act swiftly and boldly, we could see a much deeper economic downturn that could lead to double-digit unemployment

Double digits is more than 8.

- I'm flying down to Cabo tomorrow with my new lady friend

burningants.files.wordpress.co
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Funny part is, I didn't know Peachfuzz had a pilot's licence.

(nose in air) 'I was gonna spend the day beating the hired help, but i decided to go taunt the poor people instead. hrump... when buffy gets back from getting her vagina polished, she and i are gonna have lunch at the most pretentious place in town'.

---brainfart marlboro--

Bawney Fwank: Obama admin 'dumb' to predict no higher than 8% unemployment

"President Obama, whom I greatly admire ... when the economic recovery bill â€" we're supposed to call it the 'recovery bill,' not the 'stimulus' bill; that's what the focus groups tell us â€" he predicted or his aides predicted at the time that if it passed, unemployment would get under 8 percent," Frank said Tuesday evening during an appearance on the Fox Business Network. "That was a dumb thing to do."

#24
Gracie, I hope Bay gets through it with minimal
discomfort. Flu is painful. I hope she takes
some NSAID's for the inflammation. It helps.

#25
Lip, not to worry. You couldn't know.
Movin' along, Sir!
(*saluting* with cane held aloft)
:)

Chart

"The administration famously released a chart during the fight over its signature $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) showing that, if that package were enacted, unemployment would not exceed 8 percent. The projection, authored by Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairwoman Christina Romer, argued that without the stimulus, unemployment would reach a high of 9 percent in the third quarter of 2010."

I forgot they changed all the rules when he took the oath. Too bad W never got that playbook.

#26 | Posted by wisgod flag; must have been asleep the whole W administration.

Here's another item Obama can take a bow for (And not blame Bush for)
Last year, a federal program paid out $1.6 billion to cover free cell phones and the monthly bills of 12.5 million wireless accounts.

#5 | Posted by wisgod

They are trying to expand the program. 100 free minutes if you recomend a friend to sigh up for the free 250 minutes a month (obama phones). Ain't life great. Free phones for food stamp folks and government bailouts for a house you can't afford. Only under little o.

Double digits is more than 8.

#35 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Like the ones in November, December, 2009 and January, 2010?


Funny part is, I didn't know Peachfuzz had a pilot's licence.
#37 | Posted by Corky

You mean license?

Do you still have your AIDS card to work the red-light district in Amsterdam?

According to the Bible you should not cut off another person's ear. In the Garden of Gethsemane Peter cut off the ear of a Roman soldier and Jesus had to reattach it.

No citation necessary.

Free phones for food stamp folks and government bailouts for a house you can't afford. Only under little o.

#43 | Posted by Sniper

But look at the greatness of the Man. He wants everyone to have acess to contraception. That way they won't turn into baby mills and fuck the Federal Goverment out of more entitlements. This, my friend is known as a leader of his people.

Back to work...hope you feel better Bella.

#43 When breeding for benefits continues to pay and reward there will always be abuse.

#44 | Posted by wisgod

exactly.

#48
Thanks, Beach.
Hope your day goes well.
:)

Everyone DOES have acess ton FREE contraception, it's called keeping your legs closed.

#35 | Posted by Beachbuzz

the article you posted is from January 2009.

the current keynesian spending is that which needed to be done in 2009. All the economists agree this was the absolute correct call. they also agree that later on inflation will rear it's ugly head.

The business i work in, engineering, is usually about 2 years out of sync with the rest of the economy. here's why. If anything is built, it has to be engineered first. so we see the economic trends developing a while before the rest of the marketplace feels the effect.

the engineering business is really starting to pick up steam fast. but right now, not much is being built in the US, except oil and gas. All the building is in china, india, south america, etc.... Except for Oil and Gas, which is going like gangbusters in the US and everywhere else too.

I said all that to say this, the economy is on a definite strong upward trend. buy stocks.

Everyone DOES have acess ton FREE contraception, it's called keeping your legs closed.

#52 | Posted by gracieamazed

my mother used to tell girls he had a sure fire contraceptive. an aspirin. take it and hold it between your knees.

Everyone DOES have acess ton FREE contraception, it's called keeping your legs closed.

#52 | Posted by gracieamazed

Some people actually like sex and some day your husband will find out about condoms and you'll have to put out again.

#54 Mine did as well. Sigh, we grew up in different times.

This, my friend is known as a leader of his people.

#47 | Posted by wisgod

bay? is that you?

wis, wth are you hatin' on the obammer today?

"A girl's legs are her best friends... but even the best of friends must part."

-Redd Foxx

Everyone DOES have acess ton FREE contraception, it's called keeping your legs closed.

#52 | Posted by gracieamazed

Some people actually like sex and some day your husband will find out about condoms and you'll have to put out again.

#55 | Posted by northguy3

He'd have to discover paper bags at the same time.

-He'd have to discover paper bags at the same time.

Or American Flags.

For Old Glory!

No, Mitt Romneys worst enemy is proving to be...Mitt Romney."

From what Rmoney is saying, he would have campaigned against himself when he was Governor and when he ran for Senate. It takes a special man to stand in front of a crowd of people and admit he was a crapulous idiot in Office, the ask them to elect him to a bigger Office. And it takes "special" people (as in short-bus/hockey helmet wearing special)to support him.

Then again, he's just less of a crapulous idiot than the other 3 klowns running for the nomination.

Sucker play or not, I must have turned her on somethin' fierce. I mean, this dame was goin' for broke. Maybe it was her first time with a New Yorker, I dunno. Anyway, nothing beats good old American know-how. And I was givin' this broad the Stars And Stripes For Ever.

Harry from Heavy Metal

wis, wth are you hatin' on the obammer today?

#57 | Posted by Lipzoidial

Who's hatin'? My President is getting ready to put up his dukes against Iran and Syria. This is like w's 3rd term for fucks sakes.

What Rmoney has failed to explain, which has allowed this "Gov vs Candidate" game to play out, is that there is a vast difference between what a President can do and what a Governor can do. A President is limited by the Constitution (in theory although clearly not in practice) while a Governor is limited by the state's Constitution and there are 50 different versions of it.

This is like w's 3rd term for fucks sakes.

#63 | Posted by wisgod

Eureka!

Actually, if you wanted to realistic about it, it's more like raygun's 8th term.

Mutt's new book is out. Maybe it will help....

"I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!": Daily Affirmations With Mutt Rmoney.

Nothing gives an economy a good kick like a war.


This is like w's 3rd term for fucks sakes.

#63 | Posted by wisgod

Eureka!

Actually, if you wanted to realistic about it, it's more like raygun's 8th term.

#65 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2012-02-09 01:44 PM |

Maybe Papa Bush's. Raygun didn't do it so openly. He liked to sell weapons to the East to fund rebels in the South.

-w's 3rd term

W can only wish that he had gotten bin Laden AND slept with Condie Rice.

Just sayin'.

"I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!": Daily Affirmations With Mutt Rmoney.

#66 | Posted by Corky

nice.

Arrrgg... free cellphones from Dubya! Actually it started in TN and FLORIDA in 2008 (aren't you ladies in Florida? Don't you know what's going on in your State, or are you really blogging from RNC HQ?). It was approved in Congress in 2008, which I'm pretty sure was during Dubya's term in Office. Or are you fine people now Bush-deniers, too?

Once again, rightwingnuts drag out some tired old story and still can't get it right.

www.snopes.com

This is like w's 3rd term for fucks sakes.

#63 | Posted by wisgod

Who's this "w" everybody keeps talking about?

The GOP

-nice.

I'm thinking to send Mittens the whole Stuart Smalley video library.

Or geting Al Franken to do it.....

The Obama Administration has followed a predictable pattern we now recognize. It has consistently functioned like criminal defense counsel, whose mission is to get their criminal clients, the major corporations and executives who fund their elections, off with no admission of guilt, no forced resignations, and as little harm to their reputation, or that of the counsel, as possible. To do this, they neutralize anyone with an ounce of public purpose in their veins.

Its role is then to convince the public that whatever you thought or feared was going on in America, and whoever you believed had caused the collapse of America's economy, caused millions to lose their jobs, their homes and their retirements and continued to loot the country, it's time to look forward. Because everyone who matters "and that's not you" now agrees, they say, to function in the public interest, even though it's a bald face lie, since nothing has changed and the looters and their complicit overseers are still in charge.

Obama's people have performed this function for America's looters over and over again. They did it for Wall Street, the banks, the rich tax evaders, the insurance companies, the oil companies, the gas companies, the coal companies, the CIA, the DoD, and numerous torturers and their legal/policy enablers and associated war criminals in the previous administration.

Consistent with this strategy, Obama's team must silence, neutralize or punish anyone who protests or blows the whistle on the massive criminality and corruption involved. It must also emasculate the left and what's left of the liberal wing of the Dem Party, using the argument that the Administration is not nearly as awful as the other Party's people, who openly glorify looting and killing and vilifying the victims.

But of course, when we were ruled by the latter, everyone with any humanity was repulsed by the open looting and killing and indifference and was willing to say so. When the Administration sanctions it, however, we are supposed to bite out tongues, because it could be worse.

Well, it's worse, and it's more insidious and corrupting of our souls than where we were four years ago. It is evil.

excerpted from Firedoglake, Scarecrow

W can only wish that he had gotten bin Laden AND slept with Condie Rice.

Just sayin'.

#69 | Posted by Corky

When did Valerie Gerrit say he could bone Condi? Link?

news.yahoo.com

#76

Think, "threesome".

But you didn't hear it here.

Nothing gives an economy a good kick like a war.

#67 | Posted by Lipzoidial

And it won't be a big deal if he takes out a few million sand people. President Blind Pig has a taste for it ever since he found that acorn named Bin Laden.

Raygun didn't do it so openly. He liked to sell weapons to the East to fund rebels in the South.

#68 | Posted by kanrei

it was different dynamics then. people were just starting to feel normal again and no one wanted to hear about some petty dictator in a third world country. We had just effectively killed russia. Everybody was high on american patriotism and apple pie.

Many boomers (who are now teabaggers) were snorting coke and hanging out at the discos, the economy was good.

Carter was a 'bad president' because his morals kept him from engaging in the kind of shady deals a president has to do.

My President is getting ready to put up his dukes against Iran and Syria. This is like w's 3rd term for fucks sakes.

If Obama does put up his dukes, you'll see the difference between him and Dubya. When a Democrat puts up his dukes, the other guy goes down for the count. When a Republican President puts up his dukes, it's generally two hands held high in the air and a hearty "no mas". Think Ike in Korea, Nixon in Viet nam, Reagan in Lebanon, the Bushes in Iraq. Then think FDR and Clinton in Kosovo and Obama in Lybia.

When a Democrat puts up his dukes, the other guy goes down for the count.
Posted by northguy3

Yeah, you retard. Like when Jimmy Carter put up his Dukes during the Iranian hostage crisis. You sure can step in it, boy.

#71 Yes but the blantant ABUSE of this phone began under the Obama admin...Hence the name Obama phone.

fox4kc.com

We had just effectively killed russia. Everybody was high on american patriotism and apple pie.


Lip,

Raygun did that stuff in 1982-86. Russia fell in 1988. The Iran/Contra trials were on TV the summer of 87 I wanna say. C-SPAN has it online, the full hearings.

Yeah, I hated it when Jimmah personally crashed that helicopter in that sand storm.

And that was just like Korea, 'Nam, Lebenon, and Iraq, no differences.

If you are participating in programs such as food stamps (SNAP), public housing assistance, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, Supplemental Security Income, various Home Energy Assistance Programs, National School Lunch and other programs you qualify for a phone.

Is there no doubt now why there are so many generations of entitlements? The dumbing down of America one etitlement at a time.

When a Democrat puts up his dukes, the other guy goes down for the count.
Posted by northguy3

LBJ sure did a great job in Vietnam.

And you bring up Libya really? Now Libya was Obama's doing? Make up your minds already. I guess when the torture stories keep coming out, it was NATO and Obama had no choice, right?

#83 | Posted by gracieamazed

Will someone give her husband a flag already?

If you can find him...

#86

If run well, investments like these can pay for themselves over time in the overall economy.

But then, dedicated, oblivious Crackers wouldn't have so much to cry about.

#80
Carter was a bad President because
global came before country. Obama comes
across in that same way, to me.

because
global came before country

It was the start of the "We Are the World" era. After the 60's tore America apart, the 70's and early 80's saw a population eager to work towards peace. Remember you had the Concert for Bangladesh, US Festival, the No Nukes concerts, etc at that time.

Carter's election reflected the hope of that time. Reagan's the disillusionment.

Yeah, I hated it when Jimmah personally crashed that helicopter in that sand storm.

#85 | Posted by Corky

If Carter would have been flying the fucking thing, he would have crashed in the Whitehouse backyard.

The point being, of course, that blaming Carter for the botched mission is just more Rwing nonsense.

Had he not authorized the mission, the Right would have blamed him for that.

Like when Jimmy Carter put up his Dukes during the Iranian hostage crisis.

I said when. Carter should have done what Reagan did-bought the hostages from Iran. Carter was like when Jerry Ford or Bush when China highjacked that spyplane, only without the apologizing twice and paying storage fees.
###
LBJ sure did a great job in Vietnam. Nixon had the war almost as long as LBJ and it was Nixon who surrendered.

And you bring up Libya really? Since Wissy is bringing up Syria, the comparison is relevant.

-Carter's election reflected the hope of that time. Reagan's the disillusionment.

Spot on.

LBJ sure did a great job in Vietnam.

I couldn't keep reading after that...too funny. BIG FF for NG!

Spot on.

#95 | Posted by Corky at 2012-02-09 02:14 PM |

I have my moments.

71 Yes but the blantant ABUSE of this phone began under the Obama admin...Hence the name Obama phone.

#83 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2012-02-09 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag: caught in a lie, I'll lie some more.

#90 | Posted by Bellatrix

Get used to it. Borders are so 20th century. This is the new world order. There ain't a damn thing anyone can do about it.

In my estimation, the worst thing that happened because of the recession is that the wealth of the 300 largest banks was concentrated into just a few international banks (3 or 4, i think).

All we need next is one common currency and then the stage will be set for a 'one world gov't'.

-He'd have to discover paper bags at the same time.

Or American Flags.

For Old Glory!

#60 | Posted by Corky

he'd probably need three bags-one for her, one for him, in case hers fell off and one to jerk-off into in the corner.

#100

You are obviously a better planner than I.

LBJ sure did a great job in Vietnam.

I couldn't keep reading after that...too funny. BIG FF for NG!

#96 | Posted by kanrei

TY, my cheek was sore from all the pressure from my tongue.

W can only wish that he hadn't been in bed with the bin Ladens AND slept with Condie Rice.

Just sayin'.

#69 | Posted by Corky
ftfy

#81
Clinton in Kosovo?
106th Congress.
Republican majority in the House and Senate.
Just sayin'.

TY, my cheek was sore from all the pressure from my tongue.

#102 | Posted by northguy3

Big Date last night at the park?

Better editor, too, I see.

lmao!

People say Nixon lost Vietnam, but IMHO Vietnam was lost long before we got involved. If it took fleeing the Embassy to end that stupid and pointless war, so be it. Nixon, in my book, gets a credit for ending the war. How many politicians, especially Republicans today, would risk their legacy by running away? We would still be there searching for a definition to "victory" if today's leaders were around back then.

"'In short, it was an economic projection with warnings of a high margin for error, not a take-it-to-the-bank pledge of an upper limit on unemployment.'

So Trueblue's defense is Obama told us of the high margin of error and not to take it to the bank.
You're right, shit-head. I forgot or mis-rememberd....
#16 | Posted by wisgod at 2012-02-09 12:43 PM"

At least this "shit-head" can read.

What's your excuse?

At least this "shit-head" can read.

Posted by TrueBlue

Jdsdfdas?

Today's politicians: We will not ask you to be the last one to die for a mistake; there will be many after you we will be asking to die so don't worry.

#81
Vietnam?
Democratic majority in both the House and Senate
from the 82nd Congress to the 94th in 1977.

Just saying again.

"I was one of the senators who voted for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. Yes, I voted for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. I am sorry for that. I am guilty of doing that. I should have been one of the two, or at least I should have made it three, senators who voted against that Gulf of Tonkin resolution. But I am not wanting to commit that sin twice, and that is exactly what we are doing here. This is another Gulf of Tonkin resolution. I am not going to vote for that this time. No. Don't count me in on that."
Robert Byrd, 2002

"Johnson’s frustration builds as he learns more from intercepts about the back-channel contacts between Nixon’s operatives and South Vietnamese officials who had tentatively agreed to take part in the Paris meetings. The apparent Republican goal was to sink Johnson’s peace deal and thus deny Humphrey a last-minute bump that could have cost Nixon the election.

On Nov. 2, 1968 â€" just three days before the election â€" Thieu recanted on meeting with the Viet Cong in Paris, pushing the peace talks toward collapse. On the same day, an angry Johnson telephoned Senate Republican leader Everett Dirksen to lay out the evidence of sabotage and get Dirksen to intervene with Nixon.

“The agent [Chennault] says she’s just talked to the boss in New Mexico and that he said that you must hold out, just hold on until after the election,” Johnson said in an apparent reference to a Nixon campaign plane that carried some of his top aides, including Agnew, to New Mexico. “We know what Thieu is saying to them out there. We’re pretty well informed at both ends.”

Johnson then made a thinly veiled threat about going public with the information. “I don’t want to get this in the campaign,” Johnson said, adding: “They oughtn’t be doing this. This is treason.”

consortiumnews.com

Bell-Republican House majority when Obama bombed Lybia and when Bush invadified Iraq and afghanistan and when Bush apologized to the chi-coms.

Just sayin'

Also-President, not Speaker of House is C-in-C. Just sayin'.

also bell-Republicans truly pissed when Clinton won in Kososvo and Obama in Lybia.

Just sayin'.

#100

You are obviously a better planner than I.

#101 | Posted by Corky

Was in University before I realized I needed glasses.

Was in University before I realized I needed glasses.

Posted by northguy3 at 2012-02-09 02:51 PM |

At that age, sometimes I couldn't tell if I need glasses or if things were blurry due to the drinking and other things.

Back when I was a young freshman at Amherst I learned that there is an inverse correlation between how much money you spend on a girl and how vehement she is when saying no.

No citation necessary.

#115
You consider Kosovo a "win" for Clinton?
wow.

Do you have links for commentary from those
"pissed" politicians?

The invasion of Iraq was a joint resolution.
Minute majorities in both House and Senate.

Back when I was a young freshman at Amherst I learned that there is an inverse correlation between how much money you spend on a girl and how vehement she is when saying no.

For hard cases, there's always flunitrazepam. It works even better than hypnotism.

No citation necessary.

#118 | Posted by BradfordWinston

House skips town as tax deadline looms

www.politico.com

www.youtube.com

Worth it if you have not seen it.

You consider Kosovo a "win" for Clinton?
wow.

Yeah, some of us don't consider genocide by brutal dictators a good thing.

In the U.S. criticism was largely limited to the conservative Republican Party, many of whom voted to approve congressional funding for the war under the premise of "supporting the troops, not the policy" of Democratic President Bill Clinton. The war was opposed primarily by prominent conservative figures in the U.S., including (then Texas Governor) George W. Bush, House Majority Leader Dick Armey, House Majority Whip Tom Delay and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott.

fellowshipofminds.wordpress.co
m

Why did they second-guess our commitment to freedom from genocide and demand that we cut and run?

" President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be
away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."

-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."

-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."

-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush

Why did they demoralize our brave men and women in uniform?

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning...I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."

-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo."

-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years"

-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

Cont'd:
"I'm on the Senate Intelligence Committee, so you can trust me and believe me when I say we're running out of cruise missles. I can't tell you exactly how many we have left, for security reasons, but we're almost out of cruise missles."

-Senator Inhofe (R-OK )

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"I don't know that Milosevic will ever raise a white flag"

-Senator Don Nickles (R-OK)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"

-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

Why didn't they support our president in a time of war?

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

"This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem."

-Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)

"The two powers that have ICBMs that can reach the United States are Russia and China. Here we go in. We're taking on not just Milosevic. We can't just say, 'that little guy, we can whip him.' We have these two other powers that have missiles that can reach us, and we have zero defense thanks to this president."

-Senator James Inhofe (R-OK)

"You can support the troops but not the president"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."

-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"For us to call this a victory and to commend the President of the United States as the Commander in Chief showing great leadership in Operation Allied Force is a farce"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

and finally:
Why did they blame America first?

Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Once the bombing commenced, I think then Milosevic unleashed his forces, and then that's when the slaughtering and the massive ethnic cleansing really started"

-Senator Don Nickles (R-OK)

"
Clinton's bombing campaign has caused all of these problems to explode"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"

-Pat Buchanan (R)

"These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ...who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton."

-Michael Savage

"This has been an unmitigated disaster ... Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we've killed. Ask the refugees that we've killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals."

-Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring "wars of national liberation."

-Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)

"America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"

-Pat Buchanan (R )

Was in University before I realized I needed glasses.

#116 | Posted by northguy3

Thee's nothing wrong with drinking straight out of the bottle.

Its a shame that people who are lucky enough not to be poor can't have compassion for the poor. Do you blame a child for being poor? Do you want to punish the innocents? Why? Free phone big flipping deal. Be mad at the corporatists who have trained you to be so selfish. We are ALL american and brothers.

#127 They are not really 'free' phones. My tax dollars pay for them and the rest of the entitlements. And I am far from selfish. But it should be me and only me who chooses who I donate MY money and time to who and for what. Punish innocents? Don't make me laugh.

Lucky? I worked two jobs for five years to put myself through college. Paid off numerous loans, got an entry level job and worked my way up. And if you are poor don'' have kids for others to support.

Thee's nothing wrong with drinking straight out of the bottle.

Try telling that to the bartender when you've ordered a shot. Besides, when you're drinking out of the botle, you have to look up at some point and that's when the midget strippers punch you in your goodies.

flying down to Cabo tomorrow with my new lady friend.

No citation necessary.

#28 | Posted by BradfordWinston
Private jet I hpoe, don't want to mingle with the po folks. Their only use is to bring you drinks and fluff you pillow.

We are ALL american and brothers.

#127 | Posted by webwrangler

Which is fine, except I don't plan on calling my fucking brothers on their taxpayer provided cell phone.

Learn to debate logically

"Today, it is widely assumed that there is no structure of thinking that is worth studying. And perhaps that explains why serious thinking is so rare. It is nothing short of astonishing that most people go all the way through school with no exposure to logic at all."

Jeffrey Tucker

"Today, it is widely assumed that there is no structure of thinking that is worth studying. And perhaps that explains why serious thinking is so rare. It is nothing short of astonishing that most people go all the way through school with no exposure to logic at all."

#133 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD at 2012-02-09 03:53 PM | Reply

The following have their "unstructured thinking" PHd:

Doc Starveus----summa cum bullshitte
Danni----magna cum airheade
Tater----summa cum offthewalle

#128 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED AT 2012-02-09 03:46 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
There is a public component in the airwaves hence "Public radio". You
don't seem to understand that these phones are a lifeline and a giant help to the poor and cost us the people next to nothing. you still want to be selfish? What would you give the poor and downtrodden? Nothing? You are being played. wake up.

#132 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2012-02-09 03:52 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
we make throw away phones and offer limited minutes. How is this costing anything? I would say its the cost of using the public airwaves. The corporations are the ones making money off of our backs by using public airwaves, not the downtrodden. How much money do these phone companies profit? Should they give anything back?

we make throw away phones and offer limited minutes. How is this costing anything?
Posted by webwrangler

You're asking the wrong person, son. Write a letter to your Presidnt and ask him why his pissing away 1.6B on something you say shouldn't cost anything.

Should they give anything back?

#136 | Posted by webwrangler

Sure, as much as NPR has.

You
don't seem to understand that these phones are a lifeline and a giant help to the poor and cost us the people next to nothing. you still want to be selfish? What would you give the poor and downtrodden? Nothing? You are being played. wake up.

#135 | Posted by webwrangler at 2012-02-09 04:13 PM | Reply

Yep, a tenant of mine, a unemployed single mom has one. She also has a newer car then I have. Have cut her rent over the last year and haven't gotten my rent yet for January. We have so much redistribution today to the irresponsible on both ends of the scale, we'll be lucky in our kid's lifetimes to ever see responsibility come back to this country.

www.jesusandmo.net

i found a funny.

Kanrei.. you will like.

"At least this "shit-head" can read.
Posted by TrueBlue

Jdsdfdas?
#109 | Posted by wisgod at 2012-02-09 02:28 PM"

Your most coherent statement yet.

#139 | POSTED BY MATSOP AT 2012-02-09 04:32 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
Are there people gaming the system? You bet they are. But we should go after the people who have. The corporations are raping this country and
we chastise and shame the downtrodden why? We are being gamed.
#137 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2012-02-09 04:26 PM | REPLY | FLAG
We are giving the phone corporations close to 2b? to let us use our airwaves? that's crazy. I think if you think its Obama's fault for the systemic problems in the government you are wrong. the problem is the corporations are buying the government. What can a president do really?
declare war and seat a justice, that's about it. So who seated the justices that gave the power to the corporations?

North,
Thanks for citing all the comments. BTW, I'm an Independent.
It really isn't our place to go around policing other country's
civil wars. That's my point. I don't like genocidal foreign
dictators, either. But they're actions are not mine to fight.
I'll prefer to take care of the home front first. We have a lot
to address here within our borders.

#127
Web, I don't think US children should suffer for the
ineptness of their parents. But I think cell phones
paid for with tax payer funds are a luxury.

The land line assistance that the FCC LifeLine
program offered was fine to begin with.
:)

Your most coherent statement yet.

#141 | Posted by TrueBlue

Christ, how many hours later and you respond? Nice to see I own you. Considering I didn't pay shit for you, I guess a rebate is out of the question.

Web must be too young to remember the days before cell phones. Somehow the poor made it without them. I'll bet they were better Parents because of it.

#144 | POSTED BY BELLATRIX AT 2012-02-09 05:00 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
half the people have below average iq's. These people have children.
should we help them or their children? If we don't help them what happens?
These phones are used for emergency's so cell is better. If the gov. is paying close to 2b for the services i would look at why it's not free.
I wonder how many ex senators and congressmen work for the phone lobbies?
These are the bottom feeders we should rake over the coals. Not the downtrodden.

#146 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2012-02-09 05:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
good point. I still think that the cost should be nominal. I also think
that the peace of mind it would give a poor single mother is worth it. One of the things that keep the babies from attaining all they can be is the stress of a low income subsistence. imho

Here is a website we are paying for might as well take advantage of it.
www.booktv.org
check the cspan websites drop down
lots of cool stuff.

Some douchebag senator in mississippi wants to rename the Gulf Of Mexico to The Gulf of America.

Would you like Freedom Fries with that?

www.youtube.com
Rep. Steve Holland Acting Like a Jerk
#150 | POSTED BY LIPZOIDIAL AT 2012-02-09 05:58 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
"UPDATE: The Associated Press reports that Holland submitted the bill as a tongue-in-cheek response to "anti-immigrant legislation that he finds mean-spirited and insignificant.""

"Your most coherent statement yet.
#141 | Posted by TrueBlue

Christ, how many hours later and you respond? Nice to see I own you. Considering I didn't pay shit for you, I guess a rebate is out of the question.
#145 | Posted by wisgod at 2012-02-09 05:02 PM"

My apologies for having a life other than blathering on this thread.

BTW, your concept of ownership is as bad as your reading skills.

Wisgod's camp photo when he was a young lad.

Mein Camp

Just another day in florida. Homeowner comes home to find squatters at his house with drugs, grenades, guns and a pig.

Only in Florida

"Just another day in florida. Homeowner comes home to find squatters at his house with drugs, grenades, guns and a pig."

Well, at least we know it wasn't PhesteringBoil, because if it was there'd be a monkey in there somewhere.

My apologies for having a life other than blathering on this thread.

#152 | Posted by TrueBlue

But you keep coming back. I'm sure Lipoidial will take you off my hands for the right price. He likes dumb asses. Claims the old "Opps, I dropped the bar of soap" works everytime.

Wisgod 'going pro' with self filming goodness

Tosser's Love Triangle

Honey I'm home. House ponies are fed, school lunches made, dinner on the stove and no one home yet. YEAH. What a wild ride on the nooner today, hell a ride on Drudge as a whole. And not only no but hell no I will not donate $150.00 to have cocktails with Bobby Bowden, someone confused me with a Noles fan and wasted money on an invite and stamp. This boring post is dedicated to Rhino who claims litytle old me totally ruined the Nooner, cheers Rhino. BWHAAAAA.

This boring post is dedicated to Rhino who claims litytle old me totally ruined the Nooner, cheers Rhino. BWHAAAAA.

#159 | Posted by gracieamazed

I missed it, what'd you do this time?

Lipzy not sure he will post around 4am on a yesterday Nooner that I ruined his life. Sad.

Gracie fighting with her husband over a chicken wing

LOL Lipzy not even close. I don't fight, I win. he knows better.

This was pointed out to me by a biblical scholar here in Arizona According to the Bible, Jesus is a Republican. You see when Jesus rode into Jerusalem during the Holy Week leading up to his death, he rode on the back of a donkey. And as we all know the donkey is the symbol of the Democratic Party. So, sybolically, the Democrats killed Jesus. The interpretation would be totally different if Jesus were riding an elephant into Jerusalem. But he wasn't.

No citation necessary.

Honey I'm home....
#159 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2012-02-09 07:26 PM

God damn you to hell!

--Honey

Nullifart kiss my ass, k (you know you want to!)?

I don't like genocidal foreign
dictators, either. But they're actions are not mine to fight.
I'll prefer to take care of the home front first. We have a lot
to address here within our borders.

Bell- to the extent that foreign activities can and do influence/affect domestic issues, I'll have to disagree. The IRA committed many crimes in the U.S. to arm and fund their terrorist brothers. In Kosovo, the issue was not so much domestic as the impact the ethnic cleansing and mass exodus was having on America's NATO allies. Consider Kosovo a returned favor for Gulf1. And hope Lafayette doesn't get the MYOB memo.

Say, I just realized I read french extremely well. I just a paper on crystallography in french and understood about 95% of the text with ease.

Rcade--

Did you see your buddy Breitbart on c-span?

He gave quite the speech at CPAC.

He even dropped the f-bomb and was cheered--lol

#154
That's Miami.
Not Florida.
:)

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