I like CAT. Like them even more today.

Time for the Messiah Administration to pull another "Boeing."

Punish another major MANUFACTURING company for expanding in a right-to-work state.

"Those states don't employ (unionized) Americans. Better to send those jobs to China."

--DR Left, parroting the Messiah Administration

Caterpillar should be forced to build in Illinois! Illinois needs the jobs, Illinois unions need the dues and Illinois government needs the taxes.

signed the DR left.

#1 | Posted by rightisright at 2012-02-09 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag: Didn't read the article.

Good for Cat. Hope they and other business leave Illinois based on what the Demorats did to the state. The demo-RATS can be the last to leave that sinking boat.

rightiswrong
vermin
painedcon
mudflap

KaBleweMe and Gasshouse must be taking their naps.

Liberals hate capitalism. Shouldn't they be applauding?

Liberals hate capitalism. Shouldn't they be applauding?
#7 | Posted by Ray

That's what passes for an in-depth, brain-in-high-gear discussion from Ray these days. Silly old bastard.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

C'mon Doc. Now is the time to show off your intellectual superiority. Don't be so modest.

That's what passes for an in-depth, brain-in-high-gear discussion from Ray these days. Silly old bastard.
#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Do liberals hate capitalism or not? I see them whining every time a corporation makes a profit. Here's your chance to straighten me out.

I'm modest by choice, Ray; for you, it's a matter of necessity.

"Here's your chance to straighten me out."

See, Ray, that's you problem: you actually believe anybody gives a shit whether you get yourself straightened out or not.

There you go again. You always avoid the subject and go for the ad hominem. It gives the impression you're an air head. I don't think you underestand capitalism at all. Not a clue. You're more annoyed that Illinois is losing a captive taxpayer to fund the state's welfare programs.

To say your belief that anybody gives a shit whether you get straightened out - as you suggested - is misplaced, is not "the ad hominem," Ray. It's an observation.

Nor do I give a shit whether you think I'm an "air head."

The reason is simple: I don't happen to value your opinion.

Get a clue, Ray.

"I see them whining every time a corporation makes a profit."

Link please.

The reason is simple: I don't happen to value your opinion.
#14 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

It's not just me. I see you do it anybody you disagree with like in #6. That's symptomatic of arrogance and ignorance.

Link please.
#15 | Posted by danni

Ms. Tax-the-Rich. I love the irony.

"It's not just me."

Bingo, Ray.

You are one of several self-inflated, egotistical, pontificating bozos on the DR.

Yeah, I know, Ray, in your own mind you're a superior being. But outside the monkey house you've constructed for yourself you're basically a pathetic and ridiculous caricature.

Seriously, anyone who visits your freaking website must eventually ask themselves: Is this guy a self-centered, pompous, egotistical horse's ass or a nearly 70-year-old engineer (toot! toot!) whose really a latter-day prophet?

Guess which way I'm leaning?

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
#12 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
#14 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
#18 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Stress of 2012 is getting to you Doc.

Another red state wins.

What a shocker!

You are one of several self-inflated, egotistical, pontificating bozos on the DR.

#18 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-09 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Introspective

Doc, sometimes you make it too easy...

Stress of 2012 is getting to you Doc.
#19 | Posted by paneocon

Actually, I'm a lot more excited about January 2013, when you folks will have to start another one of your 4-year countdowns after imploding and blowing your golden opportunity.

#21 | Posted by rightocenter at 2012-02-09 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag: Non-Reflective

You made it too easy.

This is what happens when you let libtards run things. Those hating on Scott Walker should take note. Illinois went the opposite route (substantial tax increases, more borrowing) and it's gotten us nowhere.

You are one of several self-inflated, egotistical, pontificating bozos on the DR.

I would have thought that of liberals. They think they are so smart that they have no scruples about sending an army of police, regulators, tax collectors, legislators, judges and jailors to take away my right to live free for my own good.

"They think they are so smart"

When you're finished here, see if you can clean up your webiste, Ray: it makes you look like a heavily-medicated loon/crank.

You wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea, would you?

"They think they are so smart that they have no scruples about sending an army of police, regulators, tax collectors, legislators, judges and jailors to take away my right to live free for my own good"

So much for getting the wrong idea.

You clearly yearn for the illusory, nonexistent "State of Nature."

Ain't gonna happen.

Do yourself a favor: put that fantasy away with the other things of blissfully ignorant childhood.

#23-

What, I wasn't being thoughtful or deliberative when I destroyed you with that retort? Or do you mean that I am physically incapable of reflecting light?

Please pontificate on what you were trying to convey.

What is sad is that the Chicago Machine wishes to do to the nation what it has done to the State of Illinois. Poor credit rating, massive debt and no jobs....courtesy of the Chicago Thugs. Aka Obama and Company.

#26 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
You clearly yearn for the illusory, nonexistent "State of Nature."

I'm old enough to remember when this was a free and prosperous nation. Liberals turned it into another impoverished Banana Republic.

Obama's newly and unconstitutionally appointed members of the NLRB are going to sue the shit out of CAT over this.

Guess which way I'm leaning?

#18 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-02-09 02:29 PM | Reply

To the Left? That was easy. Any other profound questions. How about "Is my mind (Doc's)trapped in a never ending web of contradiction, hypocrisy, and mindless ruminations"----I'll bet we can answer that one as well.

#31 | Posted by matsop | Flag: COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION - SOOPRISE!

FTA:

"I think Caterpillar has been very frustrated by the state's inability to improve the business climate," he said. "I still think that workers' comp is a very serious issue for Caterpillar and others. I think there's great concern about the financial situation within the state itself. The precarious nature of the state's finances and having the worst bond rating in the country and huge liabilities ... have not been addressed."

I'm sure a lot of employers are looking at this decision by Caterpillar. Illinois needs to shape up.

Just when I think they can't get any dumber than Corky, Danni and Zed, along comes Sarvis to outdo them. At least they'll engage in argument. Sarvis screams like a monkey in a tree.

Ray, you're basically an unimaginative binary thinker. Fundamentally, I find your screeds nothing more than an endless loop of self-pitying misanthropic bullshit. If I thought it was worthwhile engaging in a discussion with you, I'd do so. But I don't.

Please, stop pleading for my attention.

That's right Ray!!! Don't you know that Doc is a man of the world? (at least in his own mind). One day he may even get up the balls to leave the school campus for a big boy job.

You bozos are beyond insecure.
ROTFLMAO!

"I'm old enough to remember when this was a free and prosperous nation."

Gee, what were the highest tax rates in those days? How many "right to work for nothing" states were there then? The America you remember was brought to you by Democrats and the New Fucking Deal.

"I see them whining every time a corporation makes a profit."

Link please.
#15 | Posted by danni

The America you remember was brought to you by Democrats and the New Fucking Deal.

And it was destroyed by the Democrats and Republicans of today.

Look at the state of government and business in Illinois and tell me what good Democrats are doing there.

The America you remember was brought to you by Democrats and the NO Fucking Deal.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2012-02-09 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

FTFY

You bozos are beyond insecure.
ROTFLMAO!

#37 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2012-02-09 06:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Flag: never left the dunce stool

I'm old enough to remember when this was a free and prosperous nation. Liberals turned it into another impoverished Banana Republic.

#29 | POSTED BY RAY

Yes, way back when... In World War I, half of all draftees were turned away for being malnourished. This is the era Ray dreams of.

Ray misses the golden days of 8 year old factory workers. After all, their small hands fit better into the machinery.

Ray pines for the days when women and minorities couldn't vote but could be beaten by a white man.

Ray still speaks of the good old days when industry waste mixed with drinking water, cars didn't need no stinking seatbelts, no safety standards existed for our products or workplaces, and god damn it cigarettes had vitamins.

Ray is a dinosaur who misses a time and place that exists only in his age addled imagination.

"Do liberals hate capitalism or not? I see them whining every time a corporation makes a profit. Here's your chance to straighten me out.
#10 | Posted by Ray"

I'll answer this question:

You're a fucking idiot.

Next question?

I like CAT. Like them even more today.

#1 | Posted by rightisright

there is a store not far from me sells farm equipment..going tomorrow and buy a hat...

#43 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2012-02-09 07:19 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Don't believe every piece of union propaganda will ya....geez?

"Do liberals hate capitalism or not? I see them whining every time a corporation makes a profit. Here's your chance to straighten me out.
#10 | Posted by Ray"

I'll answer this question:

You're a fucking idiot.

Next question?

Make sure you get one with a self-oiling propeller.

Re: Aflak's hat

#42 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-09 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag: Q.E.D.

I'll answer this question:

You're a fucking idiot.

Next question?

#47 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2012-02

so you think thats an answer....kudoes to mr alinsky...

HEY DOC>...good one....(dope) :)

You going to pull and all-nighter in that library tonight?

"concerns about the business climate' sounds like extortion. More likely its wages and unions. The race to the bottom continues with the South in a favorable position. Its tradition of slavery, class division, distain for regulation, and propensity to transfer costs from polluters to an ignorant populace is hard to beat.

Workmans comp is almost 2 1/2 times what it cost in IN.

That's enough of a reason in and of itself to not even consider Illinois. Cat has enough history in Illinois to know better than try to expand there.

Doc's had a lot of free time on his hands.

Goes with the job, I guess.

#43 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
#44 | POSTED BY MONTECORE

Socialism has always been disastrous. It's got too many parasites living at the expense of the producing class. Liberals are going to have to learn the hard way all over again.

You going to pull and all-nighter in that library tonight?

#52 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012

not if the big titted bitch across from me can see the bulge in my crotch under the adjoining table....

I can see you're in the "Fiction" section.
;>)

>b>Caterpiller is looking for a location closer to its division headquarters in Cary, N.C. "Caterpillar's previously documented concerns about the business climate and overall fiscal health of the state of Illinois still would have made it unpractical for us to select your community for this project," the company said in a letter explaining its decision

hmmm II .. Columbus Oh is about mid-way between Cat's Peoria Il facility AND .. .. .. .. [drum roll] .. CARY NC

Sarvis screams like a monkey in a tree.

#34 | Posted by Ray at 2012-02-09 05:10 PM

Just like his brother, Zat.

Archive Cleveland:
Lincoln Electric Receives Two Outstanding Supplier Certifications from Caterpillar

Cleveland Plain Dealer 2/8/12:
Lincoln Electric announced a $40 million Cleveland expansion and will begin hiring asap
Gov. John Kasich visited Lincoln's headquarters Wednesday touring facilities and announcing the state assistance deal at a press conference ..
Kasich hinted at further upcoming announcements

I can see you're in the "Fiction" section.
;>)

#58 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2012-

another good one...if the big titted bitch cooperates I will be in the "FRICTION" sextion".....

holy shit...7:30..

past my bedtime....

AND STREAKING ROCKETS PLAYING PHOENIX.....

hasta laredo....

#62 | Posted by afkabl2

Stop channeling Spud. It's not becoming you

"..going tomorrow and buy a hat..."
#45 | Posted by afkabl2

I have a box full of them in my basement.... maybe we can deal?

Sure Ray,

Which is why every country which has a higher quality of life (average income/cost of living) than we do is socialist: 1.Norway (0.876); 2. Australia(0.864); 3. Sweden(0.824); 4. Netherlands(0.818); 5. Germany(0.814);6. Switzerland(0.813); 7. Ireland(0.83); 8. Canada(.812); 9. USA(.799); 10. South Korea(.731)

The only reason the USA is on the list is because of the socialist policies created in response to the great depression. The only thing free market capitalism guarantees is another depression. Our ridiculously expensive health care system which you lose every time you lose your job is a product of free market capitalism with insurance monopolies in many States. A hopeless fucking mess.

#65 | Posted by nutcase

If America is "A hopeless fucking mess" why stay?

Gee, what were the highest tax rates in those days? How many "right to work for nothing" states were there then? The America you remember was brought to you by Democrats and the New Fucking Deal.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2012-02-09 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

DanniLogic: Hey, I made you a cheese sandwich three weeks ago. Why aren't you still grateful?

The race to the bottom continues with the South in a favorable position. Its tradition of slavery, class division, distain for regulation, and propensity to transfer costs from polluters to an ignorant populace is hard to beat.

#53 | Posted by nutcase at 2012-02-09 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

What incredible drivel.

Toyota, Hyundai and other automakers in the South pay about $48 per hour in wages and benefits. Considering the cost of living this is a damn fine income.

"Slavery" huh? How is that possibly relevant?

"class division?" What do you know about the South other than "Gone With The Wind" and some newsreels from the 50s?

"distain (sic) for regulation" You mean like all those federal regulations?

Most telling of all: workers have the right to form a union but after looking at the Rust Belt's tradition of destroying jobs and industries they make the informed choice.

"I have a box full of them in my basement...."

I was just kind of poking Babbler about the idea of someone actually buying a CAT hat. We get them as handouts here since we spend $Billions on CAT equipment.

I looked through my pile... I have 28 of them.

Every one made in either China or Taiwan.

hmmm II .. Columbus Oh is about mid-way between Cat's Peoria Il facility AND .. .. .. .. [drum roll] .. CARY NC

#59 | Posted by L_E_Light at 2012-02-09 08:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

So is Louisville. And many companies have found Kentucky to be a good place.

The simple truth is this. Before the rise of labor unions, which like the civil rights movement, required some to die at the hands of the police before change happened, life was miserable for the working class. 80 hour workweeks which paid less than many employers contrived costs of living. Child labor. The same life China offers its slaves today. Capitalism is about whatever the capitalists can get away with. Human life is meaningless unless its their own.

Which is why every country which has a higher quality of life (average income/cost of living) than we do is socialist: 1.Norway (0.876); 2. Australia(0.864); 3. Sweden(0.824); 4. Netherlands(0.818); 5. Germany(0.814);6. Switzerland(0.813); 7. Ireland(0.83); 8. Canada(.812); 9. USA(.799); 10. South Korea(.731)

#65 | Posted by nutcase at 2012-02-09 08:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, because Norway is just like the United states.

Norway has a population of 4.6 million, the size of Metro Boston. Norway's people are 97 percent homogeneous, and a big chunk of that income is free oil money.

The rest of your list is equally irrelevant.

OK vern, compare it to Kuwait or Saudi Arabia then. It doesn't change the fact that, as Einstein explained, socialism works better than unfettered capitalism or dictatorships, including here the United States. Again the fact is life was unbearable here until labor unions, workmens comp, social security and glass-steagal were implemented.

The only reason the USA is on the list is because of the socialist policies created in response to the great depression. The only thing free market capitalism guarantees is another depression. Our ridiculously expensive health care system which you lose every time you lose your job is a product of free market capitalism with insurance monopolies in many States. A hopeless fucking mess.
#65 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

Socialism is a consumption expense and there are real limits to how much government can borrow, tax, print and spend. Don't say I didn't warn you.

So is Louisville. And many companies have found Kentucky to be a good place.

#70 | Posted by vernon

these guys are closing down a canadien plant a9london) to move to place that pays third world wages...muncie indiani (dame redskins - kill them all) to build a former General motors ((gov motors to you non taxlikers) locomotives that used to be built in the windy city....but who give a fuck anyways GE will out run any EMD product anyday as long as the the flitzercofuckulator valve is renewed regularily with constantly diligitized regularity

I cannot disagree with your prediction. But, it is failed American Imperialist aggression that has bankrupted the country, not socialism. Defense ~$964 billion (not including Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran or the CIA). Welfare ~$355 billion. hen there's the Capitalists $16 trillion bailout, which morphs into other scams at other times, sucking the lifeout of everyone's savings by every means possible.

I guess nutcase is an appropriate I.D. Think about this I have a presence in Ill. and N.C. My company needs to make a profit. In Ill. I have to deal with militant union attitudes, exhorbitant taxes, hostile political environment, a state that is basically bankrupt, high cost of living, and the weather sucks 6 months out of the year.

In N.C. right to work so I do not have to deal with a bunch of labor B.S., wages are similar perhaps a little lower, the politicians are ecstatic we are there, the state is having some money problems but is nowhere near bankrupt, the cost of living is considerably lower so my employees get a raise, winter is very short and the weather is great, they even see the sun there 6 out of 7 days of the week year round, the government is willing to subsidize me to come there and create jobs.

We won't even discuss that the people are friendly and the traffic in Raleigh is bad but does not suck like Chicago. It is a no brianer for Cat to move to N.C. Sorry northerners I moved here from Cleveland and I do not want to ever have to go back. Some of my family has moved here for jobs and they never want to go back. Many from the north that attended universities never left.But please do not come here, it is getting too crowded with people from the north.

I guess nutcase is an appropriate I.D. Think about this I have a presence in Ill. and N.C. My company needs to make a profit. In Ill. I have to deal with militant union attitudes, exhorbitant taxes, hostile political environment, a state that is basically bankrupt, high cost of living, and the weather sucks 6 months out of the year.

In N.C. right to work so I do not have to deal with a bunch of labor B.S., wages are similar perhaps a little lower, the politicians are ecstatic we are there, the state is having some money problems but is nowhere near bankrupt, the cost of living is considerably lower so my employees get a raise, winter is very short and the weather is great, they even see the sun there 6 out of 7 days of the week year round, the government is willing to subsidize me to come there and create jobs.

We won't even discuss that the people are friendly and the traffic in Raleigh is bad but does not suck like Chicago. It is a no brianer for Cat to move to N.C. Sorry northerners I moved here from Cleveland and I do not want to ever have to go back. Some of my family has moved here for jobs and they never want to go back. Many from the north that attended universities never left.But please do not come here, it is getting too crowded with people from the north.

if you have the "bestest " military that can singlehandedly destroy bad guys and control worldly internationalized and efficient shipping transporationalized goals wouldn't'you control the planet??? with that you would have the ultimaley responsible, ethical bathtubabilty monitized flow control and noble ability to print and control the planets currency , and thus the resources, to your desires?

for only one million dollars? muwhahahahhaha

Obama's newly and unconstitutionally appointed members of the NLRB are going to sue the shit out of CAT over this.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ

Gosh--I hope so!

to GTJR - there will always be someone that aligns themselves to negate your noble causes no matter what. It does not matter what gang or ilk they belong to - think of yourself as the one running the farm....whether it be a funny farm or a veggie farm. Every one should and perhaps may follow you and grab that spoon of life and start diggin the mountian...

Murphy,

don't hold your breath. Obama will be long gone and his unconstitutional appointments long before a court has to rule. A business should be able to relocate anywhere they want to in the country, just as long as they keep the jobs here. Unfortunately for Illinois North Carolina has so much more to offer than Illinois.

Obama's newly and unconstitutionally appointed members of the NLRB are going to sue the shit out of CAT over this.
#30 | Posted by JeffJ

Gosh--I hope so!
#81 | Posted by MURPHY

Obama is screwed .. the regime is done ..
the Libs are screwed and are in process of frantically trying to re-brand themselves for survival of the '12 elections ..
hell, my wacky marxist US Senator's website press releases suddenly look like TeaParty USA

Liberals hate capitalism. Shouldn't they be applauding?
#7 | Posted by Ray

We only hate capitalism on even numbered days, Ray. On odd numbered days, we, like Obama are wall street's puppets. OTOH you best hope that when you get your wish and America falls, it's on an even numbered day and there are enough liberals around to save your sorry ass after having your gold stock is taken over in a crowbar leveraged takeover by the firm of Glock, Smith and Wesson.

Obama's newly and unconstitutionally appointed members of the NLRB are going to sue the shit out of CAT over this.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ

Well, with 92% of them never working a day in their lives I'd expect that. Now tell us about their medical records, Mr."I heard it through the email".
And apparently, Mr. "Got my LLB through the emails", too.

"concerns about the business climate' sounds like extortion.

NC, as a fiscally conservative state, simply gives better socialist corporate welfare.

#87 | Posted by northguy3

Exactly.

I suggest the union thugs self-immolate in protest.

"Please understand that even if your community had the right logistics for this project, Caterpillar's previously documented concerns about the business climate and overall fiscal health of the state of Illinois still would have made it unpractical for us to select your community for this project,"

Caterpillar did not have to make the statement in the way that it was made. It is an obvious attempt to influence state legislators. If the state thinks that it has the right policies in place, then their next step should be to punish Caterpillar i.e. attract Caterpillar's competitors to illinois, give special treatment to contractors with state contracts that use non Caterpillar equipment, etc.

Before the rise of labor unions, which like the civil rights movement, required some to die at the hands of the police before change happened, life was miserable for the working class. 80 hour workweeks which paid less than many employers contrived costs of living.

#71 | Posted by nutcase at 2012-02-09 09:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

So FUCKING what? That was 100 years ago. Yes, the union movement did some great things 100 years ago. Much of that is now incorporated into federal and state laws. It is not going away.

What the hell does that have to do with today? You think people are obliged to join a union because it was a good idea four generations ago?

You know the Romans invented concrete 2,000 years ago. Golly, concrete is a good thing! Why don't you send $5 to someone in Italy, with a thank you note.

Do you call your water department every day and thank them for potable water?

Child labor.

Child labor did not go away until machines replaced them. The majority of children working in factories were in plants that made glass bottles. Once a machine could make the little lip to hold a bottle cap, those children were out.

The same life China offers its slaves today.

I am in China about every two-three months. How often do you visit China?

You are infuckingclueless.

On odd numbered days, we, like Obama are wall street's puppets. OTOH you best hope that when you get your wish and America falls,
#85 | Posted by northguy3

When America falls? Where is your Roosevelt to save the economy from falling?

#79 | Posted by gtjr

I guess nutcase is an appropriate I.D. Think about this I have a presence in Ill. and N.C. My company needs to make a profit. In Ill. I have to deal with militant union attitudes, exhorbitant taxes, hostile political environment, a state that is basically bankrupt, high cost of living, and the weather sucks 6 months out of the year.

In N.C. right to work so I do not have to deal with a bunch of labor B.S., wages are similar perhaps a little lower, the politicians are ecstatic we are there, the state is having some money problems but is nowhere near bankrupt, the cost of living is considerably lower so my employees get a raise, winter is very short and the weather is great, they even see the sun there 6 out of 7 days of the week year round, the government is willing to subsidize me to come there and create jobs.

We won't even discuss that the people are friendly and the traffic in Raleigh is bad but does not suck like Chicago. It is a no brianer for Cat to move to N.C. Sorry northerners I moved here from Cleveland and I do not want to ever have to go back. Some of my family has moved here for jobs and they never want to go back. Many from the north that attended universities never left.But please do not come here, it is getting too crowded with people from the north.
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The other thing that is not being mentioned here is the cost of electricity is much lower in the south, so Google, and Facebook data centers are moving south too, along with EMCs labs.

The savings operating a business in the South are so great that it's just a matter of time before the North and the West Coast ether adjust or go out of business.

#71 | Posted by nutcase

But yet millions still did whatever they could to get here. Not sure you can point to the past like that. Were things any better in the countries from which they fled? No -- and that list of countries includes the ones the left loves to point at for example:

England
Ireland
Poland
Germany

Be honest -- if the rest of the world were not in tatters, war torn disasters, would the USA have been able to dish out the entitlements that the New Deal introduced? Do you really think we would have had the growth throught the 50's, 60's etc. if Germany, Korea, Japan, etc were on-line manufacturing and trade wise?

The world is not the same as it was in the 40's. Politics that worked back then certainly would not work now in the same way. Pointing to the New Deal is irrelevant outside of its timeframe.

#94 | Posted by FrankA

The world is not the same as it was in the 40's. Politics that worked back then certainly would not work now in the same way. Pointing to the New Deal is irrelevant outside of its timeframe.
----------
Ecellent point. Another way to look at it would a race car from the fifties that won the Indy 500 win today? Not likely.

I am not sure which is more entertaining.
1. Doc getting his ass owned by Ray or
2. Danni running around asking for a 'link' to prove that libtards hate capitalism after the whole OWS movement attempted to destroy it and Michael Moore made a library full of fucking films bashing it.

I hate the situation for Illinois, but you reap what you sow lefties.
Besides, now you get to create more Democratic voters by adding more people to the food stamps, welfare, and government healthcare programs. You should be partying.

Dr Dude2,

I love it, you are right on the money.

Illinois sure showed those corporate bastards a thing or two.

their next step should be to punish Caterpillar i.e. attract Caterpillar's competitors to illinois, give special treatment to contractors with state contracts that use non Caterpillar equipment, etc.

#90 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

their next step should be to punish Caterpillar i.e. attract Caterpillar's competitors to illinois, give special treatment to contractors with state contracts that use non Caterpillar equipment, etc.

#90 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

You have to love people who post out of pure idiocy and ignorance. Especially with the Googles at their fingertips.

Caterpillar's primary domestic competitor is Deere, headquartered in Moline, Illinois. (Most of Deere's domestic investment goes to non-Illinois locales).

Besides, you miss the entire point: Illinois is incapable of courting and attracting any industry. Illinois is only filled with greedy fuckers who see all businesses as something to bleed.

If Illinois cannot hang onto Cat, which has been there for a century, why do you think any other heavy manufacturing company would risk going there?

What an idiot. What are you? 14?

I have a box full of them in my basement.... maybe we can deal?

#64 | Posted by REDIAL at 2012-02-0

NO NO NO NO

IM not gonna fall for that 'its in the basement line'.

again.........................

"IM not gonna fall for that 'its in the basement line'."

It's ok... it's the above ground basement level. :-)

Maybe obummer should sign and executive order requiring Jewish Temples and Muslim Mosques to serve pork.

Like water running downhill, business flows to the path of least resistance. Next stop -- off-shore if the current atmosphere of demonizing and punishing success in the USA continues.

Just got back from China, read an interesting article how their government is lookimg to reduce the red tape to allow educated foreign experts to live and work in Shanghai. Currently, there are over 81K living there from different countries and China wishes to attract more. The ex-pats get great tax breaks, low cost of living and continue to make western level wages.

Contrast this with Illinois. I'm grateful that Cat is at least giving it a go in a right to work state.

Caterpillar's primary domestic competitor is Deere

Why do you want to limit it to domestic competitors? Caterpillar doesn't have foreign competitors?

Is it your position that the state is captive to Catepillar? If so, that's even more reason for big government. I want the baddest ass on the block to be something that I at least have a chance of influencing even if all I have is a single vote and a loud mouth.

#105 | POSTED BY FEDUPWITHPOLS AT 2012-02-11 01:37 PM

So you want the government to take over Caterpillar?

"Caterpillar doesn't have foreign competitors?"

Komatsu comes to mind.

So you want the government to take over Caterpillar?

Of course not. I strongly believe in free enterprise but I don't like bullies and government has to be big enough and an economy robust enough so that it can't be bullied.

but I don't like bullies and government has to be big enough

Wow...

Nature makes Bullies. Do you consider the strongest to be bullies?

We won't even discuss that the people are friendly and the traffic in Raleigh is bad but does not suck like Chicago. It is a no brianer for Cat to move to N.C.

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Cat is based in Peoria. Having grown up in Peoria and currently live close by and also living in Raleigh for 11 years, there are pluses and minuses to both.

Do you consider the strongest to be bullies?

No. Bullying is not about strength but about behavior. Bullying is about trying to impose your will upon someone/something without the consent of that person or thing. By framing its statement in the way that it did, Caterpillar was trying to bully the legislature into doing something that the legislature had already decided not to do.

By its nature, government acts as a bully to businesses; not the other way around. This isn't a problem for me because businesses are creations of government and as such must follow the rules established by that government otherwise they (the business) could lose it's franchise.

The potential also exist for governments to bully its citizens. However, this is unlikely because our constitution provides a well defined method for addressing government overreach i.e. elections, the courts and if all else fails, the 2nd amendment.

"It doesn't change the fact that, as Einstein explained, socialism works better than unfettered capitalism or dictatorships, including here the United States. Again the fact is life was unbearable here until labor unions, workmens comp, social security and glass-steagal were implemented."

first off, socialism is a dictatorship, or at the very least totalitarian. It is fundamentally incompatible with freedom because the whole premise is based on workers taking over the means of production, which someone else has already created.

And to claim that life was unbearable is utterly retarded. You can't force one person to work for another, and if it had truly been unbearable, it would have never happened. We would still be a society of hunter gatherers, where no man worked for another. The bottom line is that even the min wage worker enjoys a better standard of living by selling his or her labor than he or she would spending the same amoung of time focusing on subsistence activities.