Signorile [Campfield's interviewer] had recently interviewed infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist Dr. Jacques Pepin, author of the recently published book, The Origin of AIDS, and Signorile accurately characterized Pepin's research.

Pepin gave PolitiFact Tennessee an even more precise account. Pepin's research, which relies on meticulous peer-reviewed studies that include DNA evidence going back decades, concludes that HIV in humans originated in Central Africa, likely sometime in 1921, from a hunter who was exposed to contaminated blood from an ape -- perhaps a chimpanzee -- that was killed for food.

We also talked to Beatrice Hahn, a former longtime University of Alabama-Birmingham professor of medicine and microbiology now at the University of Pennsylvania and co-author of a 2010 research paper, "Origin of HIV and AIDS Pandemic." She clued us into a key distinction -- a monkey is not an ape and an ape is not a monkey. But they are both simians, the animal classification for what are known as "higher primates."

She has concluded that the form of HIV most prevalent around the world, known as HIV-1 Group M, originated in chimpanzees -- and chimps are considered apes, not monkeys. Figure 1 in her paper, which cites studies from 150 research papers and was written with Penn colleague Paul Sharp (formerly of University of Edinburgh) features pictures of 10 kinds of simians and has arrows showing how SIV -- "simian immuno deficiency virus" -- made a path to humans in two major forms, HIV-1 and HIV-2.

Hahn said HIV-1, the most common AIDS virus, has been documented to have emerged following "four independent transmissions of ape viruses -- not monkey viruses."

A second human AIDS virus that is largely restricted to West Africa is called HIV-2, and it is declining and being replaced by HIV-1, according to the paper. That less prevalent form has been traced to a monkey called the Sooty mangabey.

I guess that lets us off the hook.
Suck it up, suckas!
~ Bonzo

Reading Campfield's remarks, I'm reminded of H.L. Mencken's "To Expose a Fool," his memorably devastating obituary of William Jennings Bryan, written soon after the Scopes Monkey Trial in Dayton, TN, in which he observed:

"The simian gabble of a country town was not gabble to him, but wisdom of an occult and superior sort."

"Why doesn't FDA allow men who have had sex with men to donate blood?"

"A history of male-to-male sex is associated with an increased risk for the presence of and transmission of certain infectious diseases, including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. FDA's policy is intended to protect all people who receive blood transfusions from an increased risk of exposure to potentially infected blood and blood products.

The deferral for men who have had sex with men is based on the following considerations regarding risk of HIV:

Men who have had sex with men since 1977 have an HIV prevalence (the total number of cases of a disease that are present in a population at a specific point in time) 60 times higher than the general population, 800 times higher than first time blood donors and 8000 times higher than repeat blood donors (American Red Cross). Even taking into account that 75% of HIV infected men who have sex with men already know they are HIV positive and would be unlikely to donate blood, the HIV prevalence in potential donors with history of male sex with males is 200 times higher than first time blood donors and 2000 times higher than repeat blood donors.
Men who have had sex with men account for the largest single group of blood donors who are found HIV positive by blood donor testing."

Seems our resident deflection-bot, KBM, has already graced this thread with his incompetence.

I'm sure Sen. Stacey Campfield (R-Knoxville) once got drunk and killed a bunny too. Doesn't this story make all you libs feel so much better about the unprecedented incompetence of the man you elected POTUS?

I wish we could give all politicians seeking office a college-entrance science test and publish the scores before the vote.

Knoxville is in East Tennessee - the reddest, most 'conservative' part of the state, and where they still luv 'em some banjo music and granny's possum stew.

This story is yet more evidence the study showing those with low IQ's are more likely to be conservative and racist is spot on.

Doesn't this story make all you libs feel so much better about the unprecedented incompetence of the man you elected POTUS?

More rightwing revisionist history. Dubya was a Republican. And yes, Jesus ws a fake but Dubya was (sadly) real.
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I wish we could give all politicians seeking office a college-entrance science test and publish the scores before the vote.

#8 | Posted by rcade at 2012-02-09 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag: You do realize that rightwingers would rate the scores like golf scores-lowest number wins? and if somebody spoke french, wellhell, burn him at the stake!

I'm sure Sen. Stacey Campfield (R-Knoxville) once got drunk and killed a bunny too.

Jest, nobody cares about Stacey's sex life.

Doesn't this story make all you libs feel so much better about the unprecedented incompetence of the man you elected POTUS?

#7 | Posted by justanoversight at 2012-02-09 11:38 AM

Man, you do have a short memory.

I was going to say that even students from Tennessee probably already know not to fornicate with monkeys, but then I remembered Vernon. Therefore, I support this curriculum for Tennessee schools, even if it comes too late to help Vermin.

I posted this same information just last week here on this site. Leading scientists all agree that HIV was transmitted to people when Africans were having unprotected sex with monkeys. Good to see even Doc Stupid is now acknowledging the overwhelming scientific consensus on this topic. Africans doing the nasty with chimpanzees and orangutangs = HIV.

No citation necessary.

I wish we could give all politicians seeking office a college-entrance science test and publish the scores before the vote.

#8 | Posted by rcade

That test could be limited to history and economics, the rest is just BS!!!!!!!!! But........ voters should be subject to the same test.

the unprecedented incompetence of the man you elected POTUS?

I agree. America got fucked by your rah-rahs and pom poms for Bush.

Chocolate and flowers - "I can't imagine we'll be there 6 months" in Iraq to a years-long FUBAR war, deficits as far as the eye can see, failure to catch Bin Laden, ignoring Afghanistan, and on and on.

Stop the bullshit - NO ONE KNOWS HOW AIDS STARTED - calling him a liar when you do not actually know the answer is dishonest. Frankly, his guess is as good as anyone else's. I personally believe it was the Dutch scientist trying to cure polio that inadvertently started the disease in humans, but that is a guess like anyone else.

ame, How does getting fucked by Bush square with the 1+ trillion red ink for the little o every year? Tell me how many places little o is fighting wars as we speak.

ANOTHER REASON NOT TO VOTE REPUBLICAN, THESE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO TAKE A DRUG TEST NOT WELFARE MOMS!!!!!

ANOTHER REASON NOT TO VOTE REPUBLICAN, THESE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO TAKE A DRUG TEST NOT WELFARE MOMS!!!!!

#19 | POSTED BY CELISARY

Can you say with 100% certainty that that dude is wrong about monkey-sex AIDS?

Hell Jac, cel can't even tell you where to draw the line between monkeys and apes. He thinks some 300 pound woman is going to screw a 10 pound monkey.

Stop the bullshit - NO ONE KNOWS HOW AIDS STARTED ...

AIDS descends from simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), and there's evidence that bushmeat hunters and sellers commonly contract the virus. That's the scientific consensus of where AIDS came from.

And oddly enough P.E.T.A. is silent on the issue of monkey business.

Can you say with 100% certainty that that dude is wrong about monkey-sex AIDS?

That's not how science works.

Rcade, you're such a stupid man. You have no understanding of science. Overwhelming scientifc consensus is that AIDs came from Africans sodomizing a gorilla. Look it up.

No citation necessary.

Except for F**Ken Moronic Conservative Republicans every respectable Medical Association in the World would laugh at this clown assertions....CAN I PROVE IT NO, CAN YOU OR THIS IDIOT PROVE THAT IT WASN'T SEX WITH A FISH???????????????????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

AIDS descends from simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), and there's evidence that bushmeat hunters and sellers commonly contract the virus. That's the scientific consensus of where AIDS came from.

#22 | POSTED BY RCADE

So, the answers is that you can not say with 100% certainty that is where the virus came from so instead use are using correlation to prove causation. That is NOT how science works - that is how pseudo science works. How about we actually get some undisputed factual evidence for a change before we start declaring other people liars - THAT IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS.

So the discussion in these comments is HIV got into humans by having monkey/ape flesh for food or by having monkey/ape flesh of sex. Given the fact that most humans probably eat every day and do not have sex every day it makes more sense to say it was transmitted by eating.

(Unless of course your politically motivated by some weird religious concept and wish to stay in POWAH' by the weird religious concepts, to say it was the MagicSkyFary's will to make monkey/apes so sexually attractive we need laws against gays right?)

"Given the fact that most humans probably eat every day and do not have sex WITH APES OR MONKEYS every day it makes more sense to say it was transmitted by eating.

But see, e.g., Vernon.

~libs
Yep ol "Monkey boy" Bush musta been da one that done it.

Given the fact that most humans probably eat every day and do not have sex every day it makes more sense to say it was transmitted by eating.

That is a valid theory and I would not call you a liar for believing it. However, there are many other valid theories on what caused HIV. Monkey-sex can cause HIV - you are sharing fluids same as having sex. Given that HIV is a rather fragile virus which dies if not kept within a narrow temp range, I believe that cooking the meat would kill the virus making it less likely for the virus to pass unless they are eating the meat raw, directly after killing it. I think this is rather unlikely because human prefer to cook meats. On the other hand, some dude screwing a monkey could come in direct contact with fluids at the correct temp and rich in the virus which would make it very likely for the virus to pass. People have sex with all types of things - dogs, dolphins, etc - people rejected black dudes in africa having sex with monkeys out of political correctness. I can not say with 100% certainty that aids came from human-monkey sex. I can say with 100% certainty that a dude in africa has had sex with a monkey in the last 100 years.

I can say with 100% certainty that a dude in africa has had sex with a monkey in the last 100 years.

Posted by Jacque_Strap, Famous Africa Explorer

That meat eating cause is nothing but guess work in order to "white-wash" the fact that *some* men will screw anything with a warm wet spot. Monkeys included.

Posted by Jacque_Strap, Famous Africa Explorer
#32 | POSTED BY CORKY

Corky, this site has what - maybe 50 active posters? Out of those 50, there was a dude that was having sex with dogs. Africa has over 1B people - you don't think there was a guy or two out screwing monkeys? Here are some other bold statements from me - there has been at least 1 guy that has screwed a goat in Pakistan in the last 100 years (Tosser, keep me honest here) - there has been at least 1 guy that has screwed a sheep in New Zealand on the last 100 years.

Why is it so terrible to think a dude in African screwed a monkey?

Tell me how many places little o is fighting wars as we speak.

#18 | Posted by Sniper at 2012-02-09 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

One.

That meat eating cause is nothing but guess work in order to "white-wash" the fact that *some* men will screw anything with a warm wet spot.

Leave me out of this!

Newt

That meat eating cause is nothing but guess work in order to "white-wash" the fact that *some* men will screw anything with a warm wet spot. Monkeys included.

#33 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Exactly right - and my point as well. This 'meat eating' theory is a PC response when the equally, if not more, likely scenario is monkey sex.

"AIDS descends from simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), and there's evidence that bushmeat hunters and sellers commonly contract the virus. That's the scientific consensus of where AIDS came from."

I think I'll go with the scientific consensus on that rather than with the Cracker Conspiracy.

and we found no serious academic papers mentioning simian-human sex as a possible transmission route.
#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

.....still.....to a Tennessee Republican....a thought like this is sooooo intriguing......

Why is it so terrible to think a dude in African screwed a monkey?

Leave your spank bank fantasies out of this.

It came from a monkey but I don't know if it came from screwing it. It doesn't really matter either. It is here and now we have to figure how to get rid of it.

Simple logic time kids: the AIDS virus is alive. It will evolve, mutate, and change to survive like all other living things. Just like bird flu didn't happen because some Chinese man fucked a bird, so too did AIDS simply evolve.

Let's say you are hunting in the wilds and are attacked by a monkey with AIDS. You injure it and it injures you; your blood mixes. You now have AIDS.

Leave the Monkey fucking fantasies out of this already, please.

-Leave the Monkey fucking fantasies out of this already, please.

Jacque will be SO disappointed!

If you got AIDS from fucking monkeys, what disease is Tosser going to get for fucking goats?

The same one you'll get for projecting your fantasies onto him.

LOL

I'm a fleabit peanut monkey

And all my friends are junkies

That's not really true

I'm a cold Italian pizza

I could use a lemon squeezer

What you do?

I've been bit and I've been tossed around

By every she-rat in this town

Have you?

And I am just a monkey man

I'm glad you are a monkey woman too

Rolling Stones

Well done, Kanrei!

There is nothing so dumb that a Conservative politician hasn't said it.

Tosser can take a joke. I'm sure he will come back with something about me dancing around in Masonic panties or something. But some of the idiots on here are so thin skinned...

You don't think it was too messianic or a trifle too satanic?

So, the answers is that you can not say with 100% certainty that is where the virus came from ...

Of course there's not 100 percent certainty. Theories are put forward and tested with experimentation. New theories and research emerge to challenge those theories. A scientific consensus forms around what we know based on the accumulated research. The theory you favor -- that a Dutch scientist somehow created AIDS -- was refuted in a 2004 study published by Nature:

"You don't think it was too messianic or a trifle too satanic?"

Posted by kanrei at 2012-02-09 02:43 PM | Reply

Just like bird flu didn't happen because some Chinese man fucked a bird,
#41 | Posted by kanrei

I spotted some slap-happy punk kid with a purple mohawk and couldn't help but stare- the kid comes flopping up with his pants hanging off his ass and a shit hat on sideways and wants to know "Just what in hell I am staring at"..
I said I had drunken sex with a 3 foot parrot in Bangcock once and thot you might have been my kid.

I spotted some slap-happy punk kid with a purple mohawk and couldn't help but stare- the kid comes flopping up with his pants hanging off his ass and a shit hat on sideways and wants to know "Just what in hell I am staring at"..
I said I had drunken sex with a 3 foot parrot in Bangcock once and thot you might have been my kid.

Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2012-02-09 02:50 PM

One of the most funny moments of my life was in 1992, in Tampa. I was going to college and in my Hippie stage. I had my curly hair all "fro'ed" out, a pair of bell bottom jeans and a Grateful dead tie-dye on. As I walked past a group of Black teens, I clearly heard one say "that boy don't even know what decade this is." I literally fell down laughing in the middle of the mall. It still makes me smile to this day.

I can say with 100% certainty that a dude in africa has had sex with a monkey in the last 100 years.
#31 | Posted by Jacque_Strap at 2012-02-09 01:58 PM

Africa has over 1B people - you don't think there was a guy or two out screwing monkeys?
#34 | Posted by Jacque_Strap at 2012-02-09 02:04 PM

That's the basis for your 100% certainty?

Can you say with 100% certainty that that dude is wrong about monkey-sex AIDS?

Can you say with 100% certainty that you were not the spawn of a similar... "union"?

We have all heard of Godwins Law and Occams Razor and so forth. Well here is Bradfords Constant:

All things being equal, if unnatural sex acts can provide a logical explanation for a phenomena then it is most likely a correct explanation.

No citation necessary.

Well here is Bradfords Constant:Stupidity

No Thought Necessary

Africa has over 1B people - you don't think there was a guy or two out screwing monkeys?
#34 | Posted by Jacque_Strap at 2012-02-09 02:04 PM

When were you last in Africa?

That's the basis for your 100% certainty?

#55 | POSTED BY JOE

Okay lil lawyer Joe. You think there is less than 100% certainty that someone in africa fucked a monkey in the last 100 years? If so, you are retarded or just trying to be a 'good lawyer' by putting up an argument that no sane person would make simply for the sake of arguing. So tell me lil Joe, do you think there is even a 0.0000001% chance than nobody in Africa fucked a monkey in the last 100 years?

What kind of monkey?

Jacque Strap: I conducted an exhaustive search on the internet. I can tell you based on what I found that Joe can't make any such assurances. Should I forward you the links?

No citation necessary.

I think the terms "Man," "Monkey," and "Africa" are just boggling his racist mind. He can't see a difference between any of the above terms.

You forgot "Ape"

You think there is less than 100% certainty that someone in africa fucked a monkey in the last 100 years?

Never said that. Just think it's funny that the guy in here telling people "how science works" and demanding "factual evidence" before he will believe anything is willing to claim "100% certainty" over something happening based on sheer numbers and no actual evidence whatsoever.

As fascinating as "monkey fucking" may be to some, all evidence supports a far more rational explanation.

It would take more than one man having sex with a monkey for a virus like AIDS to evolve to the point that it could leap from one species to another. The odds of a sustained sexual relationship over generations between a set family or tribe and a specific group of apes for such a change to occur is beyond impossible.

A "more rational" explanation than monkey fucking?

Why, how can that be?!?

Never said that.
#65 | POSTED BY JOE

Great, so you question my argument while agreeing with it. Time to take some refresher courses at your highly esteemed tier 4 law school lil Joe because your logic just got fact-raped.

"Pol: AIDS Came From Man-Monkey Sex"

When i saw the headline i knew 2 things.
1. The POL would be a republican
2. The POL would be southern.

Damn this game is getting easy.

YOUR PARTY IS BUILT ON HAVING AN IGNORANT BASE.
No suprise you needed your own news network to keep them that way.

It would take more than one man having sex with a monkey for a virus like AIDS to evolve to the point that it could leap from one species to another.
#67 | POSTED BY KANREI

Why do you claim this? A virus can mutate which can allow for a single instance of contact to be enough for transmission. As I stated before, unless you are assuming the bush meat eaters are doing so with raw meat from freshly killed monkeys, the chance of transmission is 0%. HIV is not like Mad Cow or e-coli which is highly resistant to temperature changes - small increases or decreases in temp range kill the virus. Why would eating monkey meat over a sustained time period make one more susceptible to the virus mutating more than sex?

Why do you claim this?

Because I understand the science of it.

A virus can mutate which can allow for a single instance of contact to be enough for transmission

Not to the point of species jumping. That takes prolonged exposure over a period of generations; like why Avian flus tend to start in Asia- the close proximity of people living near and interacting with wild birds.

Why would eating monkey meat over a sustained time period make one more susceptible to the virus mutating more than sex?

Didn't say eating ever.

Simple logic time kids: the AIDS virus is alive. It will evolve, mutate, and change to survive like all other living things. Just like bird flu didn't happen because some Chinese man fucked a bird, so too did AIDS simply evolve.

Let's say you are hunting in the wilds and are attacked by a monkey with AIDS. You injure it and it injures you; your blood mixes. You now have AIDS.

Leave the Monkey fucking fantasies out of this already, please.

#41 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-02-09 02:19 PM |

Science is a slow process. One monkey fucker could not start the AIDS pandemic.

Let's recap here:
1.) Even 'short bus' lil'Joe acknowledges that African dudes have been fucking monkeys
2.) We know that HIV in humans is spread via sexual contact

Yet, you liberals are so PC brain washed that you conclude with 100% certainty that HIV could not have possibly been passed from monkeys to human via monkey-human sex. For fucks sake - what has become of critical thinking and basic logic in this country? Either refute points 1 or 2 or admit that the guy could be correct. If he could be correct, why the outrage?

You've got monkey fucking on whatever remains of your brain.

It would take more than one man having sex with a monkey for a virus like AIDS to evolve to the point that it could leap from one species to another.

Monkeys don't die from AIDS.It mutates when a human is infected with HIV from monkeys, humans develope AIDS not monkeys.

rwd

Have you thought about taking up macrame?

1.) Even 'short bus' lil'Joe acknowledges that African dudes have been fucking monkeys
2.) We know that HIV in humans is spread via sexual contact

You left off 3.) Given humans and monkeys are different species, it would take generations of such a behavior for the virus to mutate to the point of species jumping.

From wikipedia:

You left off 3.) Given humans and monkeys are different species, it would take generations of such a behavior for the virus to mutate to the point of species jumping.

#78 | POSTED BY KANREI

Yeah, because monkey fucking in africa only started in the last year and only happened 1 time...whatever. Admit you lost your argument and move on.

Monkeys don't die from AIDS.It mutates when a human is infected with HIV from monkeys, humans develope AIDS not monkeys.

It would still have to jump species. It is simple science. The AIDS virus in apes cannot live in humans without key evolutionary changes. That is why a virus rarely jumps species. Bacteria is a different story, but AIDS is not bacteria, it is a virus and must abide by the rules of nature in regards to all viruses.

It is beyond impossible for a man to have sex with a monkey and contract AIDS.

Admit you lost your argument and move on.

#80 | Posted by Jacque_Strap at 2012-02-09 03:38 PM

But I haven't; you have. Quite clearly. Of course, if you could recognize that fact, you probably wouldn't have been stupid enough to post what you did to start with.

Due to the health risks of undercooked monkey, we only serve fully cooked monkey to our customers.

Someone should ask this TENNESSEE REPUB POLITICIAN: If fucking monkeys created AIDS, what diseases were created from all your southern bretheren fucking pigs and sheep?

At least monkeys are bipeds.

How did Jaque miss this on his link:

Misconceptions about HIV and AIDS

It was big and in bold print at the top of the page.

On second thought, this thread is more than slightly disturbing.

It is beyond impossible for a man to have sex with a monkey and contract AIDS.

#81 | POSTED BY KANREI

Contact wikipedia because they say you are wrong. Given that this main assumption within your argument is proven wrong by wikipedia, do you now admit that you are wrong and move on or do you want your fact-raping to continue?

It is beyond impossible for a man to have sex with a monkey and contract AIDS.

#81 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-02-09 03:39 PM | Reply |

I think that is pretty much my point. Monkey HIV mutates to AIDS in a human.
Pretty much what I have seen is that monkey HIV is different then the HIV in humans which then graduates to AIDS.

Except of course humans contract monkey HIV.

rwd

Contact wikipedia because they say you are wrong.

One of the most funny statements ever made here.

Misconceptions about HIV and AIDS
It was big and in bold print at the top of the page.
#85 | POSTED BY KANREI

Read the fucking link you moron. It says quite clearly that you can indeed gets aids from fucking animals. Point blank - you are wrong. You want to concede now?

I think that is pretty much my point. Monkey HIV mutates to AIDS in a human.
Pretty much what I have seen is that monkey HIV is different then the HIV in humans which then graduates to AIDS

Given how close our biologies are, it wouldn't take much, but it would take generations of the same tribe fucking the same group of monkeys for such a change to occur. Then, to spread around the world as it has would require that tribe that was so exclusive for so many generations that they did not expose themselves to outside genes so the virus could adapt then suddenly began fucking like mad with people from all over the world. Defies logic and is as close to impossible as me jumping out the window right now and flying off into the sunset.

Absolutely convinced that AIDS came from black guys having sex with monkeys but totally offended when you point out what racist dickheads they are being for asserting that shit, and that's aside from the whole "laughably ignorant" thing they got going on.

They have to believe this shit to justify their bigotry in their wee minds.

Sad.

Stupid.

Be Well.

Read the fucking link you moron

I did. Notice there was no citation next to that line like there are with other statements there? No little number with a link to an existing outside source? With Wiki, that is usually a clear sign of being full of shit and edited, possibly even by you.

The risk of contracting HIV via sex with animals is small, but the practice has its own health risks.

This is probably very true, such as whipping around and biting you cock off, scratching you half to death, breaking your limbs and other assorted unpleasantries. We'd probably need to confirm these risks with lArRy moHr but I'm thinking that monkey sex is not all that common.

Then again, maybe Stacey Campfield knows more than he's telling.

Using Wiki to prove facts is like using the Urban Dictionary to define words.

began fucking like mad with people from all over the world. Defies logic and is as close to impossible as me jumping out the window right now and flying off into the sunset.

#91 | POSTED BY KANREI

So, this is farfetched in your opinion but the generally accepted scientific consensus that AIDS was originally spread around the US by one gay flight attendent is perfectly reasonable? Like I said, what ever happened to basic logic?

originally spread around the US by one gay flight attendent is perfectly reasonable?

Never said that.

what ever happened to basic logic?

You are trying to replace it with the straw man.

Great, so you question my argument while agreeing with it.

I never agreed with your argument either. Try reading for a change. I am attacking your basis for "100% certainty." Given your emphasis on "facts," it seems like you'd need a little more than "lots of people live in Africa" to be 100% certain that they are fucking monkeys.

Kanrei - your scientists have way too much faith in the morality of humans and use that as the rationale for discounting monkey-sex as a cause for HIV. Look at this link from:

to be 100% certain that they are fucking monkeys

It is simple: he wants to fuck a monkey, so he assumes so does everyone else.

What stops him is access, but he knows Africa is crawling with free-range chimps and that gets him excited. He knows he would never stop monkey fucking if he were there and can't imagine anyone else NOT doing it.

Given your emphasis on "facts," it seems like you'd need a little more than "lots of people live in Africa" to be 100% certain that they are fucking monkeys.

#98 | POSTED BY JOE

Great lil Joe, now please answer the fucking question - do you think a person in africa fucked a monkey in the last 100 years? Simple yes or no. If it is yes, simply shut the fuck up then. If no, you are a retard as previously posted. So, which is it?

Aids is a population control bio-weapon. It's no coincidence it jumped species and no, it wasn't spread due to man/monkey sex.

www.thebuzzmedia.com/monkey-
has-his-way-with-a-frog

Here is a video of a monkey having sex with a frog....inter-species monkey sex proven 100%. But, to you retarded lilberals, there is no way in hell a human ever had sex with a monkey. Grow up.

do you think a person in africa fucked a monkey in the last 100 years?

"Think" is one thing. To be "100% certain" is another. You said the latter. Deal with it.

"Think" is one thing. To be "100% certain" is another. You said the latter. Deal with it.

#104 | POSTED BY JOE

Well lil Joe, given human nature and 1B people, I can declare with 100% certainty that a dude in africa fucked a monkey in the last 100 years. I hope you provide your clients with better advice trying to create reasonable doubt as you got fact-raped on this one. This is logic even a 5th grader can understand...unless of course, that 5th grader attended a tier 4 law school apparently.

"Well lil Joe, given human nature and 1B people, I can declare with 100% certainty that a dude in africa fucked a monkey in the last 100 years."

You may declare whatever it is you wish to declare, but you haven't provided any empirical evidence to support your contention.

All I heard was the Deliverance banjo song when I read this.

That is exactly what I hate about the far right. Blatant Closed Minded Ignorance. And those that worship them take it hook line and sinker. Not that the Left is much better, but in recent years the right has certainly surpassed them in that regard.

trying to create reasonable doubt

More straw from jockstrap. I'm not here to create a reasonable doubt. It just seems like you'd need a little more than "lots of people live in Africa" to be 100% certain that they are fucking monkeys.

you got fact-raped

Your only "facts" are that "lots of people live in Africa." How that leads you to the 100% certain conclusion that they fuck monkeys is beyond me. You could use those "facts" to say that anything has happened.

Lots of people live in Africa, so I am 100% certain that one of them has eaten a case of business cards.

Lots of people live in Africa, so I Am 100% certain that one of them has fucked a snake.

The logic of JockStrap, hard at work.

That is exactly what I hate about the far right. Blatant Closed Minded Ignorance.
#107 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

Yes, those far right bigot suggesting people had sex with monkeys are closed minded idiot. Now, let's run to the ACLU to get Human/Monkey marriage rights from the Supreme Court! You left wing fools make me laugh.

I've never fucked a monkey. But I did once fuck a chick while I was dressed in a Halloween gorilla costume.

No citation necessary.

Lots of people live in Africa, so I am 100% certain that one of them has eaten a case of business cards.
Lots of people live in Africa, so I Am 100% certain that one of them has fucked a snake.
The logic of JockStrap, hard at work.

#108 | POSTED BY JOE A

I am 100% certain someone in Africa fucked a snake. For fucks sake, you can find a video of a japanese girl doing it on through google in about 30 seconds. I would bet that I could find a monkey sex video online with 10 minutes maximum if I was willing to dive into your left wing world. Lil Joe, your arguments are nonsensical.

Hey, I found one...no, sorry, that was Patrick Ewing...

I would bet that I could find a monkey sex video online with 10 minutes maximum

Then do it, and prove it occurred in Africa. Then I will stop criticizing you you claiming 100% certainty. As it stands, your only "evidence" is that "lots of people live in Africa." I'm guessing you realize how foolish that is, which is why you're lashing out like a little bitch.

I would bet that I could find a monkey sex video online with 10 minutes maximum...
#111 | Posted by Jacque_Strap

If did, you'd have it bookmarked.

Ok, what are the rules on this site? Can I post the monkey sex links or is that not allowed? I must say though after reviewing them that the guys all appear to be Asian and not African. I don't know what that proves. I half expected they'd all be Italians.

No citation necessary.

You think there is less than 100% certainty that someone in africa fucked a monkey in the last 100 years? #60 | Posted by Jacque_Strap

.......was the fucked monkey dead or alive ?.......

I would bet that I could find a monkey sex video online with 10 minutes maximum...
#111 | Posted by Jacque_Strap

Give it up.. There can't be one person on earth that doubts that someone - somewhere hasn't had sex with a monkey.
The entire left denial rests on that worn out bullshit that they always fall back on - "Prove it".
We all know several things that can't be proven.

.......Hunters in Africa do eat monkeys and apes on a regular basis, so undercooked meat is the most likely source of the transmission......

.....if any of these monkey-fuck proponents have ever tried doing anything with a monkey or an ape, they would understand why zoos keep them behind bars......getting them to lay down for a cross-species encounter is beyond the realm of the probable.........

if any of these monkey-fuck proponents have ever tried doing anything with a monkey or an ape, they would understand why zoos keep them behind bars......getting them to lay down for a cross-species encounter is beyond the realm of the probable.........
#119 | Posted by skizziks

I take it you haven't seen the Super Bowl commercials?

Just to be clear, I think someone probably has fucked a monkey.

I just don't go around telling people what science is, demanding "fact-based evidence," and then say that I'm "100% certain" that someone has fucked a monkey just because lots of people live in Africa.

Skizziks, that's why some indigenous people use paralyzing frog toxins on their darts and spears. It incapacitates the animal and then it is less dangerous. I read that in National Geographic.

No citation necessary.

I half expected they'd all be Italians.
#116 | Posted by BradfordWinston

LMMFAO!

We all know several things that can't be proven.
#118 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Name ten, Fester.

Name ten, Fester.

#124 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

1. you whined like a nutted chiwawa that I squealed on you
2. I will die in the next 10 years
3. there is life out "there" somewhere
4. there are more species on earth that have not been discovered
5. global warming is man made
6. we will be hit again by the muslims
7. The Buffalo Bills will win a Super Bowl

There is more than several.

Can we all agree that it would be wrong of us to be judgmental or bigoted and close minded about men fucking monkeys?

We know that men AND women have fuked monkeys. This is not being judgemental or bigoted in the least. This something that happens - maybe it's the strong beer over there?

I'm not sure your preoccupation with monkey fucking isn't a sign of something a bit more complicated than idle curiosity.

We see your cheesy deflections. ~shakes head
As usual nothing to add but personal attacks.

If you're sensitive to comments about your obsession with monkey sex, try talking about something else. This is a blog, slick, and you're here - yammering on about your obsession with monkey sex - of your own free will (unless a gorilla's got a .45 aimed at your pointed noggin, telling you what to say).

This is a blog about aids you hangdown. You continue to vomit up nothing but nonsensical bullshit.

I think this is the perfect example of why the country is going to shit and nothing can get done. Lil joe and the libs all believe that some dude fucked a monkey in Africa, yet they still want to argue and admit that they got their ass kicked. Take kanrei for example. I linked to a respected site that says you can get HIV from fucking a monkey and his only response is to say that he doesn't like my link. He does this HIV is passed with blood, but he somehow finds it inconceivable that sex with a monkey involves virus tainted blood. Perhaps he does not understand how it is passed in humans with sex, I really don't know but his argument is ridiculous. According to him, the virus can only be passed with undercooked meat, do to the blood remaining, yet he doesn't see the connection with sexual fluids during human monkey sex...truly odd. And I'll joe, everyone on this site knows he is wrong....please someone, anyone, tell me that they truly believe that no one in africa has ever had sex with a monkey. No one will, not even little joe. But, he will still argue the point because somehow his argument makes sense in his head despite even him admitting that he knows someone has had sex with monkeys. As a vernal rule, when your argument is destroyed, admit you were wrong and move on. Kanrei, lil joe, take this as a learning experienc.

Closely related viruses have been found in African monkeys. Doesn't prove anything but it fits within the realm of possibilities. On the other hand, its impossible to get it from a hot watermelon.

My God the stupidity on this thread is amazing. It seems at least a few here on the DR are such deviants they assume everyone else is as well.

However, there are many other valid theories on what caused HIV. Monkey-sex can cause HIV - you are sharing fluids same as having sex.

The whole "AIDS by monkey sex" arguments is fucking retarded. Transmission this way would only occur one of two ways 1. repeated sexual contact between multiple people and chimps (HIV1 is most similar to SIV-chimpanzee) or 2. a human allowing an SIV infected chimp to fuck them, something I find implausible given chimps tendencies to rip your fucking face off. Transmission via heterosexual sex is very difficult to achieve, particularly from female to male. If memory serves, it's also difficult to pass HIV from bottom to top in homosexual intercourse.

Given that HIV is a rather fragile virus which dies if not kept within a narrow temp range

You couldn't be more wrong.

Lab stocks of HIV are stored at -80 degrees Celsius and warmed at 37 degrees Celsius (body temperature).

Heat will kill it, yes, but that's a moot point to be dealt with shortly.

On the other hand, some dude screwing a monkey could come in direct contact with fluids at the correct temp and rich in the virus which would make it very likely for the virus to pass.

Transmission requires direct contact between bodily fluids of BOTH individuals. Why do you think anal sex and IV drugs are the most common cause of transmission?

I can say with 100% certainty that a dude in africa has had sex with a monkey in the last 100 years.

And you're correct. Look up orangutan prostitution.

However, the virology of HIV makes a sexual contraction a possible but unlikely source for HIV in the human population. Direct blood to blood contact is the more likely source.

That meat eating cause is nothing but guess work in order to "white-wash" the fact that *some* men will screw anything with a warm wet spot. Monkeys included.

And the whole "monkey sex" thing is nothing but an attempt by gay bashers and morons to tie homosexuality with bestiality.

Exactly right - and my point as well. This 'meat eating' theory is a PC response when the equally, if not more, likely scenario is monkey sex.

Monkey sex is not the more likely scenario based on the virology of HIV. Sorry, but your deviancy is your own, jacque.

HIV is not like Mad Cow or e-coli which is highly resistant to temperature changes - small increases or decreases in temp range kill the virus. Why would eating monkey meat over a sustained time period make one more susceptible to the virus mutating more than sex?

Well, the temperature thing is wrong as I've already said.

.......Hunters in Africa do eat monkeys and apes on a regular basis, so undercooked meat is the most likely source of the transmission......

And here I'll address the common theme amongst these quotes-getting HIV by eating monkey meat. The answer is simple guys and stated in the article.

"Human infection," wrote Martine Peeters of the retrovirus laboratory of the Institute of Research for Development in Montpelier, France, "is thought to have resulted from cutaneous or mucous membrane exposure to infected blood during the hunting and butchering of chimpanzees and Sooty mangabeys for food.

It's the handling of a dead, woundeded animal and subsequent butchering for eating that's the likely cause, not eating the meat. So get any thoughts of cooking out of your head as it's the process before the fire is even lit that is to blame.

It's the handling of a dead, woundeded animal and subsequent butchering for eating that's the likely cause, not eating the meat.
#135 | POSTED BY JPW

That is your belief and you are welcome to it...afterall, it says 'likely' cause not an absolute certainty and no where near a scientific consensus as put forward by RCADE. This politician brought up the possibility of HIV spreading to humans via monkey sex and not a god damn thing you wrote makes that any less likely. Further, your statement that a bottom can not give hiv to a top in homosexual sex is just dead wrong. Keep telling your tops that so they bareback you all you want, but anal sex is one of the easies ways to contact the disease because of all the blood vessels in the anus exposing both the top and the bottom. Now I will really offend you - I believe the monkey sex was probably gay monkey sex with a male monkey bottom giving aids to the human top.

Not to the point of species jumping. That takes prolonged exposure over a period of generations; like why Avian flus tend to start in Asia- the close proximity of people living near and interacting with wild birds.

There is a MUCH larger gap evolutionarily between birds and humans and chimps and humans (which is the reason H5N1 hasn't lit our ass up yet).

Science is a slow process. One monkey fucker could not start the AIDS pandemic

And this is the key point., particularly given what we know about HIV transmission in people.

Aids is a population control bio-weapon. It's no coincidence it jumped species and no, it wasn't spread due to man/monkey sex.

It's a pretty shitty "weapon" then. It's the equivalent of sending our troops to Iraq with Red Rider BB guns.

And it wasn't a coincidence, cross species jumps occur (called zoonosis) and it likely wasn't spread via sexual contact between chimps and humans.

That is your belief and you are welcome to it...afterall, it says 'likely' cause not an absolute certainty and no where near a scientific consensus as put forward by RCADE.

"Likely" is used because there will never be a definitive answer. To scientists this isn't a moot point. To those with an agenda *coughjacqueitchcough* it gives wiggle room for them to convince themselves their stupidity has validity.

Also, it's not belief as a. high heat of cooking would kill it and b. HIV isn't transmitted via the GI tract in the absence of an open wound in the mouth. The GI tract is a hostile place and viruses/bacteria that infect by that route have evolved specialized mechanisms to do so.

This politician brought up the possibility of HIV spreading to humans via monkey sex and not a god damn thing you wrote makes that any less likely.

No, the virology of HIV makes it unlikely. Sorry you're too ignorant to see it.

Further, your statement that a bottom can not give hiv to a top in homosexual sex is just dead wrong.

Unless you've got a link this statement is worthless. Fact of the matter is direct contact between bodily fluids is necessary for HIV transmission. Bottoms are more susceptible because the tissue damage caused by anal sex provides openings for the virus present in the top's semen.

Unless there is an open wound on the top's penis, transmission is extremely unlikely.

Keep telling your tops that so they bareback you all you want

I was hoping you'd say that and show your true colors shitbag.

but anal sex is one of the easies ways to contact the disease because of all the blood vessels in the anus exposing both the top and the bottom.

Breakages that expose the bottom. Exposure to the top in the absence of an open wound is not going to result in transmission.

Now I will really offend you - I believe the monkey sex was probably gay monkey sex with a male monkey bottom giving aids to the human top.

Which, if you knew jack dick about HIV virology, you'd know to be absurd.

Sorry gay basher, all you've proven here is you're an over-compensator who's admitted more than they've denied.

Like I said, JPW, you should make a better disclosure to your top.

I guess my info was outdated.

#140 | POSTED BY JPW

Not outdated, incorrect. But, at least you are man enough to admit it.

While the risk for transmission is lowerfor the insertive partner, transmission is possible and does happen.

Which is what the link I posted says.

Not outdated, incorrect. But, at least you are man enough to admit it.

Yup. I like reality and therefore have no problem acknowledging it.

My question for you though jacque, is the contribution to the current HIV epidemic that sex with monkeys has played. Do you think this was the primary mechanisms of transmission? Does the butchering of bush meat play a role at all?

It's amazing that some parts of Africa are more progressive than even we are.

HIV epidemic that sex with monkeys has played.
#144 | POSTED BY JPW

I really have no idea. I think it is somewhere more than 0% likely and less than 100% likely that monkey sex was the primary driver of HIV in humans. Like I said above, I tend to believe the theory that the virus was an accident due to development of the polio vaccine. In this theory, the scientist was working with live virus strains incubated in monkeys that were not disease free. This caused the cross over and then they unwittingly injected it into the populace of the Belgian Congo - which was a Belgian colony at the time and the primary researcher was Belgian. They chose the Congo because there were no other vaccinations being tried there at the time. The spread of the disease closely tracks the test sites employed by the team. Then again, this is my belief. This pol believed in monkey sex, and you believe in bush meat. No one is certain. So, let's not jump all over this guy just because he believes in a non-PC theory.

Way to go Tennessee....you elected a complete moron. Kudos to you!

Jock Strap, every single one of your posts directed to me has been based on the incorrect assumption that I don't think anyone has fucked a monkey. Clear that out of your tiny brain and understand the following:

You cannot be 100% certain that someone has fucked a monkey simply because lots of people live in Africa. You can think that someone probably has, and you can be 99.9% sure. But unless you did it yourself or saw it happen, you cannot be 100% certain.

But maybe it was you who fucked a monkey, and that's why you're so sure. I can't see any other reason for you to have such a high level of certainty based on so little actual evidence.

But unless you did it yourself or saw it happen, you cannot be 100% certain.
#148 | POSTED BY JOE

Ah, no lil Joe, I do not need to see it myself or do it myself to be certain that some dude in Africa fucked a monkey or for many, many other things in this world. Every rationale, thinking human being will agree with me that with 1B people and human proclivity to fuck things, that someone in Africa fucked a monkey in the last 100 years. Like I said, I hope you use different tactics in court because you look like a fucking idiot on this thread.

#5 | Posted by KBM at 2012-02-09 10:09 AM

Come KBM. Homosexualaity is natural. Dogs do it, as well as cattle and a plethora of other mammals in the animal kingdom. You don't seriously advocate that we have a higher ranking than other animals, do you?

btw, your source is biased.

It came from a monkey but I don't know if it came from screwing it. It doesn't really matter either. It is here and now we have to figure how to get rid of it.

#40 | Posted by jackass at 2012-02-09 02:16 PM | Reply |

The cure for aids already exists, you just don't like the cure.

JaqueStrap appears to know lots of gay lingo.

@151
Exactly! Gaetan Dugas knew how to deal with AIDS! LOL

JaqueStrap appears to know lots of gay lingo.

It comes with the territory of being fascinated with monkey fucking. But would you really expect anything different?

He's an unabashed racist who has demonstrated astounding scientific illiteracy on multiple occasions.

Just get him started on gravity. Or evolution. The stupid cunt is clueless.

He's an unabashed racist who has demonstrated astounding scientific illiteracy on multiple occasions.
Just get him started on gravity. Or evolution. The stupid cunt is clueless.

#154 | POSTED BY DR_ICEPICK

Oh Dr. LikeDick, when will you learn. First, I am not a racist - I just refuse to engage in PC bullshit when doing so leads to incorrect conclusions. Just because something is uncomfortable to talk about doesn't mean the person doing so is a racist. Second, your beef is with CERN that have insulted your relativity religion, not me. Just because they have demonstrated several times that your belief in relativity is wrong, you don't need to lash out at me. Don't be so angry Dr. LikesDick, just because the world in infinitely more complex than the religious beliefs you hold doesn't mean your stupid - rather, you are just ignorant. Keep reading my posts and maybe someday you will even have a rational thought of your own someday.

"they have demonstrated several times"

LOL

Nice to see Jack Shit is still lying.

Nice to see Jack Shit is still lying.

#156 | POSTED BY ZATOICHI

Zat, the team has reproduced the same results on several occasions - you don't like it because it makes your religion look like bullshit, but it does not change that fact. Do you run around your neighborhood with your pants around your ankles to embarrass yourself at home or do you save all your embarrassment for the Retort?

Man-Monkey sea created Democrats and Aids? Damn we're screwed. (pun intended)

sea=sex

Tell me how many places little o is fighting wars as we speak.

#18 | Posted by Sniper at 2012-02-09 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Approximately one less than where Bush took us into.

**** I thought Sex with Monkeys was the real "Secret" for how they Created...U.S. Senators?

Man-monkey sex? Yeah, but you gotta watch those teeth.

okay LOOK...

it was after 2...we were drunk...and I SWEAR I thought she just looked funny and had a craving for peanuts...