Simple thought experiment to prove that this is bullshit:

Assume you are a heterosexual. (It should soon become clear if this is true or not.)

Visualize the sexual activity that give you the most intense pleasure.

Now visualize yourself in your partner's role doing that with your same-gender best friend, or even an attractive stranger of your own gender.

Could you even conceive of wanting to do that?

Anyone who claims that homosexuality or heterosexuality is a choice is totally full of shit. You are born that way, pure and simple.

Unless you are confused....or a Republican.

She's bisexual. Big deal.

#2 | Posted by axe flag; Takes it in the axe.

You cannot chose to be gay

You can if you are a certain freemason.

Bumbola style.....

You can choose to be gay. But that doesn't mean being gay is a choice. Just like you can choose to dye your hair blonde doesn't mean all blonde people are dyed their hair.

This is just some feminazi who decided men are evil. She is not representative of all gay people.

My grammar is really bad in that. I apologize- I was editing and didn't bother to proofread. Must be talk of "blondes."

#7,

So YOU could actually make that choice, theoretically? You are not totally freaked out by the physical aspects of you engaging in homosexual coupling?

She's bisexual. Big deal.
#3 | Posted by Danforth

I agree, but then why wouldn't she just say that? Maybe being bi is worse than being gay in her mind?

So YOU could actually make that choice, theoretically? You are not totally freaked out by the physical aspects of you engaging in homosexual coupling?

#9 | Posted by axe at 2012-02-03 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

What are you going to call him "homosexual" in a pejorative sense if he answers in the affirmative?

Wouldn't that be strange... People claiming "there is nothing wrong with homosexuality..." and then they turn around and call someone "homosexual" in order to show that there is something strange or wrong about them.

Expergoat,

My point is that the people that claim homosexuality (or heterosexuality for that matter) is a choice are either lying to promote a political or religious view or really have no clue about their own sexuality.

I am not saying the either is 'right' or 'wrong'. I am just pointing out the dishonesty in the people with political or religious agendas.

Don't hate us 'cause we're happy
Don't hate us 'cause you're miserable
Don't hate us if we make you smile
Or if we go the extra mile
To make someone feel better on a really shitty day
And if you're hearing what I'm saying then
I want to hear you say, "I'm gay!" (I'm gay!)
Say, "I'm gay!" (I'm gay!)

-Bowling for Soup

The prison sex phenomenon and bisexuality tend to make this issue a little more complicated than black v. white but, in the main, being gay is an orientation that one is born with.

People who insist that it is always a choice are pants-on-head retards trying to deflect from their own moral and mental shortcomings.

By refusing to come to grips with the reality of gay people they are able to argue in their own wee minds that gays don't deserve civil rights in the same way women and blacks do. Blacks and women gained their civil rights under a more through reading of the Constitution's promise of "all men being created equal" which included more than "rich, white, property-owning men" in that definition.

America's progressive tradition is one which the country deserves to take great pride in.

These radical, religious, regressionist shit-stains who would amend the Defining Document to make prejudice a fact of life and the law of the land are, in short, scum, worthy only of scorn and pity.

Are we clear?

Be Well.

People every day decide they are going to follow their urges and begin engaging in homosexual sex.

I say if your going to make that decision own it, don't turn around and tell me nature made you this way and you had no choice. That's what children do.

Be loud, be proud, and no more excuses. You are who you are and you do what you do. Own it!

"People every day decide they are going to follow their urges and begin engaging in homosexual sex."

How did you decide today?

And might you decide otherwise tomorrow?

I think if you can decide one way or the other you are Bi not gay or straight.

There is no way a straight person will decide to be gay or a gay person decide to be straight.

follow their urges

So close ... to actually thinking.

Sexual differentiation in fetal development involves not only plumbing, but wiring. Sometimes the plumbing and wiring don't match up. I can't make it any simpler.

People every day decide they are going to follow their urges and begin engaging in homosexual sex.

I say if your going to make that decision own it, don't turn around and tell me nature made you this way and you had no choice. That's what children do.

#15 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2012-02-03 05:07 PM | Reply

Bingo. Is that why "Pud" talks like a lispy child?

Then there are bisexuals and hermaphrodites, 'quantum mechanical mixed states' if you will allow a bit of metaphorical license.

"I agree, but then why wouldn't she just say that? Maybe being bi is worse than being gay in her mind?
"

cause she is an idiot actress who should shut the fuck up.

duh.

It's possible that gays and addicts have a genetic predisposition. But then again some addicts make a choice for sobriety.

Sometimes the plumbing and wiring don't match up. I can't make it any simpler.

#18 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2012-02-03 05:15 PM | Reply

self-retort.

cause she is an idiot actress who should shut the fuck up.
duh.

#21 | Posted by klifferd at 2012-02-03 05:18 PM | Reply

I thought you were enthralled with hollywood?

Matslop,

Seek help, you poor, sick bastard. If you are that fucking confused about your sexual identity you could be a real danger to civilized society (or barnyards).

Manslop chooses to be gay when he thinks no one is looking. This is how he's certain it's a choice. His boyfriends are sure it's more of a passion.

cause she is an idiot actress who should shut the fuck up.
duh.
#21 | Posted by klifferd

I was hoping that wasn't the answer, but all evidence points in that direction.

"You cannot chose to be gay."

I generally agree with that, but what about all those Pakistani men (statistically the majority of Paki men, by a long shot) who like fucking little boys? Are they gay, or do they just like fucking little boys?

Could you even conceive of wanting to do that?

#1 | Posted by axe
Probably , if you were a confused liberal.

I am just pointing out the dishonesty in the people with political or religious agendas.

#12 | Posted by axe at 2012-02-03
Look she's the Gay person and if she said she choose to be,then who are you to say she is wrong . She should know how this gay shit works. Unless maybe you are talking from experience?
Why you so upset what she said anyway.It's not like she wants to marry a builing, or a dog,like the other crazies will.

#28 | Posted by mOntecOre
Move to Pakistan and write us back on how it works for you.

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#30 | Posted by patron at 2012-02-03 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Same old, same old.

There is no way a straight person will decide to be gay or a gay person decide to be straight.

#17 | Posted by TaoWarrior
Don't tell spud ,he knows "lots of married men who tuned Gay thats how the have kids. So being Gay is a choice using his own reasoning. But he'll be buy now to spin it differently.

#33 | Posted by patron at 2012-02-03 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag: So stupid I'm starting to think he's an alter for Eddie

Don't tell spud ,he knows "lots of married men who tuned Gay thats how the have kids. So being Gay is a choice using his own reasoning.

Are you really this stupid or do you just play at being a moron on the internet?

Because of bigotry a lot of older gay men when they were younger pretended to be straight and went the whole nine yards including wife and kids.

They actually found it easier back then due to widespread prejudice to live in the closet as a gay man passing for straight than to be openly gay.

These days it's a lot different.

While there are still some gay men who live their lives in sham marriages like the one Marcus and Michele Bachmann are in, the vast majority of gay people accept who they are and come out in their teens or just after these days.

And that's a good thing.

The way you stretch the truth and just make shit up to cover for the fact that you don't have a single decent argument here is amusingly pathetic.

You are REALLY bad at this.

Be Well.

#32 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore
Usually how children act when they have lost. Now take your ball and go home because people don't play fair with you, and let you have your way.Just can't stand it when when one of your own does something to set your agenda back, and exposes the truth.
Why you still mad cause you can't defend your statement that it's OK to marry a builing?

#35 | Posted by dethspud
Just proved it's a choice . By going back and forth between man and woman, It has to be a choice. If it was hard wired in at birth it would be to repulsive to even do it.
You know your a real idiot always spinning shit but it don't work. Then you resort to calling the person a moron, and in your simple head it's case closed.
Your way or the highway, well fuck you and move over cause your blocking the road with your stupidity!

Just proved it's a choice . By going back and forth between man and woman, It has to be a choice.

Yes, one can choose to pretend not to be gay and live in the closet a'la Marcus Bachmann or one can choose to live openly gay.

But you still can't choose to actually be gay any more than you chose to be straight.

Are you really having a hard time following this argument?

Really really?

Be Well.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner
I'm not the one with the problem following.

"Usually how children act when they have lost. Now take your ball and go home because people don't play fair with you, and let you have your way.Just can't stand it when when one of your own does something to set your agenda back, and exposes the truth.
Why you still mad cause you can't defend your statement that it's OK to marry a builing?"

I am not defending that statement because it was made in a completely sarcastic vein, not that I suspect you of being able to process such a thing.

You are the most simple-minded rightie I've ever seen, which - considering the competition around here - is saying a lot.

"This woman did not marry a heterosexual man who went all priapic at the mere sound of her name - she decided what she wanted to marry"
Your words, The only sarcastic part I see is the reference to the heterosexual male going priapic.

But then agin I'm conservative,so I am racist and have a low IQ

#42 | Posted by patron at 2012-02-03 10:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Amen, dumbass

but what about all those Pakistani men (statistically the majority of Paki men, by a long shot) who like fucking little boys? Are they gay, or do they just like fucking little boys?

Speaking from your own experience MonteBore?

Did one of us homosex you?

If yes, I apologize. If no, then we know what you want. Come here and you'll fit right in. You trannies can now vote as "tranny" in Pak.

"Wouldn't that be strange... People claiming "there is nothing wrong with homosexuality..." and then they turn around and call someone "homosexual" in order to show that there is something strange or wrong about them."

If it weren't for that double standard, what would Axe or Let-U-Spray ever have to post when they disagree?

#37 | Posted by patron at 2012-02-03 09:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Damn you Patron! You made me read a post by Taterhead!

Every gay person I've ever know has deep issues with their parents. Gay men often told stories about insane fathers; I had one friend who told me how his father would get drunk, jerk him out of bed in the middle of the night and take him for terrifying motorcycle rides.

"I always remember grabbing those two gas caps on the fuel tank," David says. "I would close me eyes and wait to die."

Also, every gay man I've known still had an intense emotional relationship with a woman: mother, sister, friend, etc. It was as if the natural connection to a woman could not be denied.

Most Lesbians I have known are not necessarily attracted to women but have deep hatred issues toward men. They consistently tell stories about their fathers being drunks, abusive and generally asses.

So, when I say being a queer is a choice it is not based on some ignorant religious stance. It is based on the observations of many, many homosexuals. Also, as stated upthread, some people have a predisposition (just like alcoholics) and for whatever reason they cross the line.

From another thread . . . . .. typical liberal.
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If they weren't gay, they'd be fucking your wife.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2012-02-04 12:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

From another thread . . . . .. typical liberal.
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Oh, and it is still queer even if you don't swallow no matter what it says on the tee shirt.

#25 | Posted by axe at 2012-02-02 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, when I say being a queer...
#47 | Posted by vernon

Seriously, let's cut through all that anecdotal crap you slapped up on the thread.

Are you trying to tell us you're a self-ordained biblical expert, fat, drunk, and queer but you can bleat like a goat, are learning how to gibber in Chinese and your mail-order bride doesn't mind?

Oh, and it is still queer even if you don't swallow no matter what it says on the tee shirt.
#49 | Posted by vernon

La Voz de la Experiencia

"Choice or chance? Which is it DR? "
Both. This case is about a "bisexual". They exist too, born that way.

And my personal interpretation of the bible is that THATs fine too. The crap Paul wrote was more applicable to "sex questing" than happenstance partner selection. Paul also went on and on about effeminate men and that sort of thing - while we have toxins that turn into estrogen and make men effeminate by toxin rather than choice.

And then of course there are all the repressed closeted bisexuals too - like Sandusky, Bush, the Pope, and assholes like them.

#47 | Posted by vernon
Sorry Vernon !Tater is funny to watch, as he constantly try's too spin his bullshit. Kind of a female version of Danni.

Look at her comment about being bisexual. What she's really saying (subtext matters) is that she refuses to be labeled. She means that she has a choice, not that everyone has a choice. There clearly are men who are simply not attracted to women and women who are simply not attracted to men. So the only choice they'd have is to fake it. Consider this: Who's the person here who most vociferously asserts that homosexuality is a choice? That person, if he (or she) believes that assertion, must have chosen to be straight. Hm.

And btw, having a husband and then marrying a woman does not indicate, by itself, that a woman is bisexual. It could indicate that she was gay all along and didn't realize it or was lying to herself and finally decided to accept herself and come out. What indicates that she is bisexual is her line about responding to who is front of her at a given time. She doesn't like the label, but it's a pretty clear indication of bisexuality. If you can be attracted to a person of either sex (not just notice their attractiveness, but feel attraction), you are bisexual. (And then there's the whole argument about sexuality existing on a spectrum...)

"Most Lesbians I have known are not necessarily attracted to women but have deep hatred issues toward men."

If they're not attracted to women, they're not lesbians.

"Kind of a female version of Danni."

Okay, that was sort of funny. I expect the Tater will also be amused.

Actually some can - The Bi 'fence sitters' can chose to go either way - LOL

If they're not attracted to women, they're not lesbians.

"Kind of a female version of Danni."

Okay, that was sort of funny. I expect the Tater will also be amused.

#57 | Posted by pragmatist at 2012-02-04 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Everyone is attracted to women. Watch TV commercials and count how many girls you see, compared to guys.

Everyone is attracted to women.

"Watch TV commercials and count how many girls you see,"
Mexican auto sales are the best, hell I don't even know what they said and I want to run down and buy the car.

"Actually some can - The Bi 'fence sitters' can chose to go either way - LOL"

Ha. Yeah. But they don't choose to be bisexual. They are bisexual. As in, no man says, "Fags are disgusting; ooh, lemme go suck that cock!"

60--Sort of. Women are seen as the epitome of beauty in our society. And yes, chicks hold hands and hug more readily than dudes do. But that doesn't mean that most women want to make out with another woman, or stroke or lick her labia.

But that doesn't mean that most women want to make out with another woman, or stroke or lick her labia.

You'll be surprised....

Yes, I would. My wife says she can imagine kissing a woman, but is grossed out by "all those nooks and crannies." And she's more sexually open-minded than most females I've ever met. Or "met." Ahem.

"But that doesn't mean that most women want to make out with another woman, or stroke or lick her labia."

You'll be surprised....

#64 | Posted by Tosser | Flag: LIKES GETTING LABIA LICKED, BY GIRLS OR BOYS