We can't control what Israel does but we can tell them that they act alone. We should tell them that. We should tell any country that thinks it can dictate American policy that.

Why would the Israeli risk American lives and seal the strait? This stinks of yet another joint Israeli/American Zionist false flag operation.

Somebody needs to attack Iran. We still need some 1979 payback action.

"Why would the Israeli risk American lives and seal the strait?"

Because their country is run by stupid cunts. Much like Iran, ironically enough.

"Somebody needs to attack Iran. "

#3 | POSTED BY JUSTANOVERSIGHT

Just plain missed the 80's, didn't you?

Somebody needs to attack Iran. We still need some 1979 payback action.
#3 | Posted by justanoversight at 2012-02-02 10:46 PM

Ah.. you must be around Rumsfelds age then - the apocalypse generation. Sorry Zionist.

We need to invade Israel, remove all of their stolen nuclear and weapons technologies. Dissolve (arrest) the Knesset, the IDF leadership and all Mossad, cordon Negev and Haifa, and immobilize Jerusalem. In fact, obliterate all religious buildings, including deconstructing the Israeli centers of government. Force extradition of all Israeli, blockade all borders for at least one decade. Put them in the exact situation they have the Palestinian.

You live by "an eye for an eye", after all..

"Why would the Israeli risk American lives and seal the strait?"
Because their country is run by stupid cunts. Much like Iran, ironically enough.
#4 | Posted by LetUsPrey at 2012-02-02 11:06 PM

To cut off the strait means impacting Saudi Arabian oil transportation which relies 100% on access.

So, the Israeli are working with the Saudi.. and possibly Iran? I wonder if all of their "ruling class" are related by blood and oil?

Since we've got at least two aircraft carriers just "waiting" around I presume the false flag is already under way.

and heil redlight but. OMG what a retort there.

I listened to a commentary about this on the nightly news tonight. It appears to be getting a lot more serious.

If the Neocons who currently infest the Israeli government go ahead with their plan to nuke Iran, Obama better make it loud and clear he is going to cut Israel off of all foreign aid -- not another dime should go to them -- zip, nada, zilch.

Of course Netanyahu and the other Neocons now in the Israeli government will expect our boys to be the ones to spill their blood and come to the rescue. And thanks to the Republican debates, we now know every single Republican candidate will give them what they want as they are all suckups to the Neocon ideology. So it's now up to Obama and the Democrats to call this potential war to a hal.

The problem is we have a good number on both sides in Congress whose loyalty, I'm afraid, goes to Israel first, and the U.S. second. Again, I have nothing against the Jewish people and the citizens of Israel. But I despise the bloodthirsty Neocons in our Republican party and in the top echelons of the Israeli government.

If Israel goes to war with Iran -- and Obama allows us to get dragged into fighting it for them -- then he's no better than Bush who was duped by the Neocons in his own Administration into going into Iraq. Cheney and Jeb Bush were two of the Necons who signed on to their master plan called the "Project for a New American Century" -- which is the Neocons blueprint for taking over the world for its resources.

Things are now starting to heat up, and those not familiar with the Neocons and their goals really ought to take a few minutes to educate themselves and read this article which is a basic, easy to understand summary of just what the Neocons are all about.

#9 call to a hal = call to a halt

and heil redlight but. OMG what a retort there.
#8 | Posted by reitze at 2012-02-02 11:31 PM

I am amazed at the lack of support for sanctions on Israel - what is wrong with the Christians of this nation?! I'm guessing televangelism is actually a Zionist operation. They behave so programmed, intentionally devoting false anger and invented hatred toward Palestinians when the evidence indicates an incredible media and intelligence agency run operation.

Redlightrobot -

don't blame all the Christians of this country. I'm a Christian (Catholic) and agree with extreme sanctions being placed on Israel should they go ahead and nuke Iran. It's only the far right Evangelicals who are on the side pushing for war, not all Christians.

Redlightrobot -
don't blame all the Christians of this country. I'm a Christian (Catholic) and agree with extreme sanctions being placed on Israel should they go ahead and nuke Iran. It's only the far right Evangelicals who are on the side pushing for war, not all Christians.
#12 | Posted by CalifChris at 2012-02-03 01:01 AM

It just hurts to see the Christian community used so wrongly.

"No nuking is good nuking", and if we can see this why doesn't our sister nation Israel realize how pained we all should be over this?! It just seems that the Evangelical rubberstamp turns a potential power for peace into a worthless warmongering horde fulfilling an alleged Zionist prophecy on behalf of Neocon profiteers. These people "felt" that George Bush actually did speak with God, was told to invade, and that the invasion was a just and noble action. Even after the displacement and murder of over 1 million innocent Iraqi civilians the Christian community still trust Zionist values over Christian.

For what it's worth I count myself as a sort of "Christian-inspired" - exposure to methods and ideals of Jesus are worthy of a lifetime practice. I try, at least. My friends would laugh at that, but also agree.:/

Specifically, the Prayer Breakfast and K Street are proof that Christians in power are corrupt to the core. We don't need any zealots in office, or administrating our military. Look how terribly they have been approaching their invasion strategy, and the worse part is that they do not care at all. The block-by-city block eradication of Fallujah gave them erections on CBN - so, you'll have to forgive my distrust of how the majority of patriotic Christians behave.

Dollars to donuts 700 Club is already promoting this probable conflict as a positive, righteous and dignified event.. even holy. Imagine that - nuclear war is Godly to Pat Robertson! How unexpected..

Obama already has two carrier groups in the region with the Enterprise on its way. The USS Ponce is being outfitted using using a bid process that will allow work to begin in ten days.Wanting the ship ready by May. Heavy weapons being sent to the United emirates. So what do you think Obama got plans for?
Then again he does have the Nobel Peace Prize so maybe it's just going to be a party.

#9 | Posted by CalifChris at 2012-02-03 12:49 AM
I initially missed this incredible post - thank you for the PNAC update most especially.

BTW - it has been proven that members of the Palestinian interface to Israel are in fact acting on behalf of Zionist causes. Whether this is through extortion (Israeli have generations imprisoned now) or coercion isn't clear to me. There is also evidence that Ahmadinejad might be related to Israeli and Saudi families who are speculated to have an interest in playing the resource redistribution game via false flag warfare. Interesting, if true.

No it's probably not a party, didn't Panneta say back in December that Obama would bomb Iran.

and agree with extreme sanctions being placed on Israel should they go ahead and nuke Iran.

The time for sanctions is before they do something stupid... not after. LOL

Why would Israel just announce intent to attack unless they are hoping to provoke Iran to strike first.

The time for sanctions is before they do something stupid... not after. LOL

#17 | POSTED BY TOSSER

hindsight is 20/20

Somebody needs to attack Iran. We still need some 1979 payback action.

#3 | Posted by justanoversight

Well, why don't you get your gun and head on over. Be the point of the spear. Be that somebody.

Otherwise... Well you know what to do.

Then again he does have the Nobel Peace Prize so maybe it's just going to be a party.

#14 | Posted by patron

BBQ po'k ribs for everybody!

"BBQ po'k ribs for everybody!"

Israel's going to do everything it can to start World War III. It's unbelievable the U.S. continues bankrolling them.

Everyone: Please note the love and tolerance liberals exhibit towards Jews.

It's time for America to say "no" to Israel and stay out of other people's business. And if you vote for Obama or Romney, you're not going to get that.

Comments like this clearly shows Panetta wants Iran to pre-emptively strike Israel so we have an excuse to get on with the war. Fuck him!

"Israel's going to do everything it can to start World War III. It's unbelievable the U.S. continues bankrolling them."

What is unbelievable is how fast you clowns ignore the 300k american citizens who live in Israel, as well as being the only ally in the ME...

how fast you clowns ignore the 300k american citizens who live in Israel

Yeah..but they're only Jews- The Left

Crustyshitter shows up in full Neocon Parrot mode.

Those 300K traitors deserve to be shit out the wrong end of a camel.

If Israel is an ally, I'd hate to see what an enemy looks like.

I have a request for the DR. I don't give two shits about Israel, but please try to make a point to say "Israel" and not "Jews." Like myself, there are many American Jews who are very anti-Zionism, yet are forced to defend Israel when the J word is used to define the nation.

I know 29 is a contrast to 31, but I was just making a joke. I should not have posted it however given my stance in 31. Attack at will; I deserve it this time.

Those 300K traitors deserve to be shit out the wrong end of a camel.

#30 | Posted by axe at 2012-02-03 11:51 AM

Simon Weisenthal just added you to his list.

Israel's going to do everything it can to start World War III. It's unbelievable the U.S. continues bankrolling them.

#24 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2012-02-03 11:42 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Are you really that unaware that the Zionist run our country and our presidents via the international Banking Cartel?

Attack at will; I deserve it this time.

#32 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-02-03 11:54 AM

I actually thought that retort struck closer to home than most. After all, look at Axehole's #30.

You know what kanrei, fuck you

the 1st use of the term jew was by CC in post 9 and clearly differentiating jewish people from the stateo f israel

then the 2nd time term jew was used by jestanoversight post 25 insulting liberals

then #29 by YOU, again insulting liberals

then 2 posts later you whine about the use of the term jew

again, go fuck yourself

there's a growing likelihood Israel could attack Iran this spring

Right after we conclude an election, and yet far enough away from the next one so that it will be in the back of everyone's mind.

Get ready to once again "admirably fulfill our NATO obligations."

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2012-02-03 11:57 AM

You actually think that was lost on me?

I know 29 is a contrast to 31, but I was just making a joke. I should not have posted it however given my stance in 31. Attack at will; I deserve it this time.

#32 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-02-03 11:54 AM

So sure, fuck me. I earned it in this thread.

Thursday war in Afganistan is over!

Friday war with Iran begins!

- Obama White House

Don't think we are going to get involved? Ask the question how much will this cost us?

i was typing my reply while you admonished yourself, but hte fact remains noone was attacking "jews" but you and notanoverlybrightperson

Aww, Kanrei got troofies manties all knotted up.

Overreacting much?

"Like myself, there are many American Jews who are very anti-Zionism, yet are forced to defend Israel when the J word is used to define the nation."

Hell, there are many Israeli Jews who are completely opposed to this.
Most Jews in Israel are not like the crazy Zionists.

btw the fuck yourself was meant in the nicest possible way

What is unbelievable is how fast you clowns ignore the 300k american citizens who live in Israel ...

Israel launching a war with Iran is not going to make them safer.

What is unbelievable is how fast you clowns ignore the 300k american citizens who live in Israel, as well as being the only ally in the ME...
#28 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

Besides Jordan, Qatar, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the new Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan, UAE, etc. If they were really an ally, they wouldn't put us in this position.

hte fact remains noone was attacking "jews" but you and notanoverlybrightperson

I was attempting to be pre-emptive and failed miserably. I didn't remember 29 until I posted 31. You were right to attack.

It is just usually here, any talk of Israel ends up being about Jews world wide and not Israel.

paranoia will destroy ya

tis all in good fun

So sure, fuck me. I earned it in this thread.

#38 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2012-02-03 11:59 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

One might say you were "fired up" about the use of the word Jew? Go take a shower you will feel better;).

the fuck yourself was meant in the nicest possible way

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2012-02-03 12:00 PM |

Even if it wasn't, I was wrong. I did something and then posted asking people not to do it. You were right to call me on it.

Oh wait...I'm a Jew. Fuck you =P

We still need some 1979 payback action.

Jest-wake up, Reagan forgave Iran when he helped them stave off defeat by Saddam. He even gave them 300 marines to blow up to seal the deal. Then Herbie Bush disarmed Iraq and his son, Georgie the Lesser, handed Iraq to Iran. Cheney did business with the mad ayatollahs, claiming Iran was "special".

For all their fluster and bluster, conservatives have been Iran's best buddies since 1979.

#25 - you mean the Israeli government.

Nice strawman.

I think other nations are going to speak up about this and Israel may just find themselves facing consequences they don't expect.

Everyone: Please note the love and tolerance liberals exhibit towards Jews.

#25 | Posted by justanoverbite at 2012-02-03 11:45 AM

Since we've got at least two aircraft carriers just "waiting" around I presume the false flag is already under way.

#7 | Posted by redlightrobot

We have more than 2 ships--always.

We have 9 in Bahrain as a Home Port.

#8 | Posted by reitze at 2012-02-02 11:31 PM | Reply | Flag CAN'T STOMACH THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TRUE NATURE OF THE ISRAELIS

Dirk-the Iran war will pay for itself.

Nuttyyahoo says he can get it wholesale. If we buy now.

Gotta wonder why Panetta would say this, is he letting the rest of the world know so that they can tell Israel there will be consequences? That's how it appears to me, why else?
The only thing an Iranian nuke would do is to make Iran off limits for attacks, just like Israel. If they did make a nuke and ever used it anywhere their capital would be flattened. They wouldn't risk it, the Ayatollahs are not suicide bombers. They get stupid kids to do that kind of thing.

I don't know what all the ruckus is about.

Israel did the same thing to Syria--what 2 years ago or less?

Not a peep from the bastards.

The US and the world are technically at war with Iran with the sanctions.

They just leaked that Iran and the WH were talking behind closed doors or through other channels.

Then Panetta says this straight up to a reporter?

It's to pressure Iran to do the right thing.

Liberal Kanrei is the Jewiest of Jews. More Jew than You.

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2012-02-03 12:05 PM

Who's the Jew who is a Jew
Possibly Jewier than you
K-A-N
R-E-I

J-E-W-I-S-H

Kanrei's a Jew
(He's a Jew)
Kanrei's a Jew)
(He's a Jew)
He owns more of the media than
YOU,you, you, you

So bitch and complain
tarnish his name
There is nothing you can do
K-A-N
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Somebody needs to attack Iran

What are you waiting on? Get after it. I'll help buy you a plane ticket. One-way.

"It's to pressure Iran to do the right thing."

The "right" thing being what Israel has decided they should do. Sovereignity?
Why should Israel have the right to dictate anything to Iran?

#9 | Posted by CalifChris at 2012-02-03 12:49 AM | Reply | Flag

Excellent post!! However, be careful....here come the Hitler accusations and anti-semitic comments from the Zionist peanut gallery.

Again...spot on!

We can't control what Israel does but we can tell them that they act alone. We should tell them that. We should tell any country that thinks it can dictate American policy that.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2012-02-02 10:38 PM | Reply |

You got to be joking. Of course we can control what Israel does. And they are not acting alone. We are setting up the very thing we are predicting. Once you start to talk it, it becomes obvious the Obama administration is in talks with Israel about facilitating the very thing Panetta is releasing. What are you, a dolt. Remember, Libya? How about our sticking our nose into Syria. As I predicted months ago, it'll eventually be Iran. Obama is Bush on steroids but he does it indirectly behind the curtain---he is not straightforward like Bush. He showed it earlier in his administration by bowing and kissing rearend. However, when one looks at action again instead of perception, BS and propaganda, there is no difference. Also, if Panetta is talking this spring, I'll guarantee you it'll be before or after this spring. You don't tell the enemy when in the national media. This will be coordinated between the US and Israel. Israel will not do this in isolation despite your "sycophanting" this POTUS.

Get ready to once again "admirably fulfill our NATO obligations."

Good point. I heard a story on NPR the other day about two pilots who had to eject during a bombing campaign in Libya. While the story was quite interesting, they kept referring to it as a "NATO mission."

It's funny how when we have a president who claims to be liberal and gives off the perception of being anti-war, the media suddenly refers to any military action we're involved in as "NATO operations." For some reason I'm willing to bet that about 90% of the work done in Libya was done by the US. When US planes are dropping US bombs, that is an act of war by America.

"This will be coordinated between the US and Israel. Israel will not do this in isolation despite your "sycophanting" this POTUS."

I certainly hope not but this will surely be a test for Obama. Kennedy stood up to the hawks, we'll now see if Obama can too. I think he can and will.

Watering down acts of war by the United States by calling it a NATO mission is dangerous, and it needs to stop. Just because other countries are on board with warmongering doesn't make the mission any more noble.

"While the story was quite interesting, they kept referring to it as a "NATO mission."

Because it was a NATO mission.

It's not just Israel Danni--

It's the US it's the UN it's a long list of countries that don't want Iran to have a nuke--because then everyone else will want one too.

Iran is lying about their intentions about nuclear energy --how benevolent.

They have threatened Israel--wipe them off the map.

The world has been telling Iran to knock it off--let the world help them--take the nuclear stuff off their hands.

Iran refuses--defiant.

#9 | Posted by CalifChris

Is there a link of evangelicals on their knees 'praying for the rapture'?

Maybe you are confusing the Iranians and their 12th iman resurrection?

Israel's going to do everything it can to start World War III. It's unbelievable the U.S. continues bankrolling them.

#24 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2012-02-03 11:42 AM | REPLY | FLAG

And that's about as strong an action as we need to take right now: stop funding them.

The sieg heil crowd are really fucking demented whenever Israel's even mentioned. Check out JeffSecondScreenName suggesting we lock down their borders for ten years.

Israel does nothing but continually beat war drums against all their "perceived" enemies throughout that region and then drags us into doing their fighting for them.

#9 | Posted by CalifChris at 2012-02-03 12:49 AM | Reply |

Chris, you're as dottery as Danni. Folks like you are so easily swayed by propaganda, it's no wonder this country is in trouble. If you don't think the US is up to their eyeballs in this thing you and Danni are dumb as stones. Why the heck do you think we have destroyers in the straits of Hormuz? Duh!

Israel did the same thing to Syria--what 2 years ago or less?

#59 | Posted by MURPHY

It's a good thing you rightists are so well-informed, Murphy.

He owns more of the media than

#60 | Posted by kanrei at 2012-02-03 12:12 PM

#72 | Posted by matsop at 2012-02-03 12:21 PM | Reply

Israel is as much our surrogate as we are theirs.

I really hope the US stays out of this but sadly, that isn't likely....

As for the "morality" of Israel attacking Iran, I have to laugh at those who want to make Iran out to be innocent victims.

Iran literally threatens Israel on a daily basis. The idea that Iran should be free on consequences for such behavior is absurd. One consequences of continually threatening a capable enemy is that if they ever believe you have the ability to follow through on your constant threats, they are going to kill your first. Iran's nuke program makes their threats more credible, therefore it is only logical that Israel now sees more reason to respond to Iran's constant threats.

Also, Iran's funding of Hezbollah and other groups that attack Israel is an act of war by itself.

I'm not saying that Israel is a nation of innocent little cherubs either. I just find the "Iran as a victim" narrative that is prevalent on this thread to be completely out of touch with reality.

You're missing the point Danni, which isn't surprising. The US never commits acts of war anymore without other NATO-related countries on board. My point is that the media still has a choice on whether to designate our acts of war as having been committed by "NATO", or by the United States. Were Obama not the President, I think major media outlets would be less inclined to water down our involvement and likely would have called this a "US bombing campaign."

Basicly we could say, war drums are beating because...wait for it....Iran is suspected of making WMDs. Anyone heard this story before?
What, you're willing to wait for the "mushroom clowd."

As a former president said:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."

"The US never commits acts of war anymore without other NATO-related countries on board. My point is that the media still has a choice on whether to designate our acts of war as having been committed by "NATO", or by the United States."

Fair enough, I agree with you. We should actually be saying what Ron Paul says, no more undeclared wars and it takes Congress to declare war. If we did attack Ron Paul will look much more appealing to millions of voters. I think most Americans are sick of war and do not want us to bomb anyone or help Israel do it.

I certainly hope not but this will surely be a test for Obama.

#66 | Posted by danni at 2012-02-03 12:16 PM | Reply

Another test he'll flunk for you and then you'll still rationalize it someway. What a lot of you still don't understand is that Obama is just another POTUS puppet that is directed by those with the real power. Just look at all the major decisions made the last 3 years and there isn't much difference between Bush and Obama. On foreign policy, no difference; on monetary and fiscal policy; no difference. Sure, some of the minor social stuff that is different to keep his base happy but the major stuff; no difference.

Why should America have the right to dictate anything to Cuba?

#62 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2012-02-03 12:14 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

is the above what you essentially wrote?

If we did attack Ron Paul will look much more appealing to millions of voters. I think most Americans are sick of war and do not want us to bomb anyone or help Israel do it.

#79 | Posted by danni at 2012-02-03 12:28 PM

If it's this Spring, I'd like to think the Obama admin will exercise the utmost caution for fear of political backlash; you're right, we are sick of war (not counting JustAnOverBite that is).

Also, we need more anti-war candidates other than just Paul to gain some traction.

circa 1962

"I have a request for the DR. I don't give two shits about Israel, but please try to make a point to say "Israel" and not "Jews.""

i do my brother.

It's funny to hear moron call liberals anti Jewish when a lot of Jews are liberals.

It's also funny to hear the blind support that's willing to be offered to Israel.

After nine years of Iraq and twelve years of Afghanistan you would think Neocons would of figured out war isn't a solution to shit.

To be fair, I think the main question we should be asking ourselves is whether bombing Iran will help our economy and create jobs. If it will, then that is a good thing.

No citation necessary

I have to laugh at those who want to make Iran out to be innocent victims.

Iran literally threatens Israel on a daily basis. The idea that Iran should be free on consequences for such behavior is absurd.

#76 | Posted by Sully

So, when your neighbor threatens you for whatever reason, raises his voice, shakes his fist at you and calls you bad names, cleans his weapon in your view, but never hurts you or yours, never steps on your property, never fires his weapon at you, then by all means feel justified to kill his wife, his daughters, his sons, his grandparents, his aunts and uncles, his pets, and burn his home to the ground.

Ah yes, the preemptive strike.

- But officer, he called me names, said he would hurt me.

- Did he?

- No.

- But officer, he looked like he was going to hurt me. He really did, y'a know?

- So you killed him and his entire family, and blew up his home.

- Yes.

A fucking goddamn shame that we are not so eager to go kill the scores of bad guys across Africa, Mexico, South America, who are actively slaughtering thousands of people daily.

But we gots our priorities, don't we?

"Why should America have the right to dictate anything to Cuba?"
I see your point, might made right in 1962 and I'm saying it shouldn't be that way today. I understand my own inconsistency but John Kennedy actually stood up to the hawks in his own cabinet and the military as well and did avoid war. I think Obama is trying to accomplish a similar outcome in Iran, hopefully he too will succeed.

"Basicly we could say, war drums are beating because...wait for it....Iran is suspected of making WMDs. Anyone heard this story before?"

And, for decades, Iran has been threatening Israel on a daily basis while funding terror groups who attack Israel.

But sure, let's pretend that this situation is the same as the US invading Iraq because actually thinking about the situation on its own merits and looking at the situation objectively is just such a pain in the ass.

No citation necessary

The Retort has the most unique bunch of loons I've ever witnessed on any site ever.

After nine years of Iraq and twelve years of Afghanistan you would think Neocons would of figured out war isn't a solution to shit.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2012-02-03 12:37 PM | Reply |

Clownhack, you calling Obama a neocon now?

"Iran literally threatens Israel on a daily basis."
Israel has been talking about bombing Iran for years. After we invaded Iraq the Iranian leaders have legitimate fears about us doing the same to them.

I think Obama is trying to accomplish a similar outcome in Iran, hopefully he too will succeed.

#88 | Posted by danni at 2012-02-03 12:39 PM | Reply |

No he won't; he'll listen to Hillary again along with that other broad.

#76 | Posted by Sully at 2012-02-03 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag: HARD CORE ISRAEL APOLOGIST

As usual....Sully playing both sides of the fence. Ambigious as usual, and never transparent. How do you know Iran "threatens" Israel on a "daily" basis. Is that because CNN and FAUX Snooze tells you? Either you're incredibly naive, or Pro-Israel. Probably a little bit of both. Let's use common sense here, because Israel was able to steal nuclear secrets from the US, and the blueprint to the French MIG planes, Isreal can WIPE Iran off the map!!!

We should actually be saying what Ron Paul says, no more undeclared wars and it takes Congress to declare war. If we did attack Ron Paul will look much more appealing to millions of voters. I think most Americans are sick of war and do not want us to bomb anyone or help Israel do it.

Agreed 100%, Danni.

"So, when your neighbor threatens you for whatever reason, raises his voice, shakes his fist at you and calls you bad names, cleans his weapon in your view, but never hurts you or yours, never steps on your property, never fires his weapon at you, then by all means feel justified to kill his wife, his daughters, his sons, his grandparents, his aunts and uncles, his pets, and burn his home to the ground."

Why are you using this stupid fucking analogy that doesn't even fit?

Iran has participated in attacks on Israel repeatedely for decades. Every rocket fired on Israel by Hezbollah is a proxy attack on Israel funding by Iran.

If you have to make reality-altering analogies to make your point, you don't have one. Iran has been threatening Israel and engaging in acts of war against Israel for decades.

And of course, Russian and China will just sit on the sidelines while the Israel and its nose-ring bitch, the US, goes in for the slaughter of thousands of Iranians.

#92 | Posted by danni at 2012-02-03 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag

danni.....I agree, and its a claim that Sully would refuse to support or even acknowledge.

Why are you using this stupid fucking analogy that doesn't even fit?

#96 | Posted by Sully

Of course it doesn't in your twisted world view, y'a war-whore.

You're so for it, then I expect you to be in the first wave, gun in hand, shooting them eeeeeeevil Iranians. I imagine the children and the elderly will be chip shots for y'a.

"And of course, Russian and China will just sit on the sidelines while the Israel and its nose-ring bitch, the US, goes in for the slaughter of thousands of Iranians."

Not only them but every nation depending on Iran for oil.

"As usual....Sully playing both sides of the fence. Ambigious as usual, and never transparent."

There is nothing abmiguous about my position, cocksmoker. It is: The US should stay out of it. If Israel attacks Iran, I don't care and I'm not going to pretend that Iran is an innocent victim.

"How do you know Iran "threatens" Israel on a "daily" basis. Is that because CNN and FAUX Snooze tells you?"

I read. I'm aware of current events. Why do you think your ignorance on this matter makes you right?

"Either you're incredibly naive, or Pro-Israel. Probably a little bit of both."

I can back my position with facts. Your entire post is a bunch of emotional, easily refuted attacks on me. Your position is based on emotion, not mine.

"Let's use common sense here, because Israel was able to steal nuclear secrets from the US, and the blueprint to the French MIG planes, Isreal can WIPE Iran off the map!!!"

And that changes the reality of Iran's behavior towards Israel how?

Israel is as much our surrogate as we are theirs.

I was in the U.S. Capitol the day Netanyahu spoke to both houses of Congress. The number of people the American Israeli PAC (AIPAC) sent to D.C. was unbelievable. It seemed like every single Congressional office had at least 6-10 people from AIPAC in their office watching Netanyahu speak.

#100 | Posted by danni at 2012-02-03 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag

Iran has the 2nd most abudant reserves in Nat gas, and have a ton of black gold....Russia is their best partner in those two commodities.

But hey...fuck it...lets give Sully a gun and ship him off to Iran and fight with the IDF.

So, when your neighbor threatens you for whatever reason, raises his voice, shakes his fist at you and calls you bad names, cleans his weapon in your view, but never hurts you or yours, never steps on your property, never fires his weapon at you, then by all means feel justified to kill his wife, his daughters, his sons, his grandparents, his aunts and uncles, his pets, and burn his home to the ground.

#87 | POSTED BY ZOT AT 2012-02-03 12:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You left out the part where your neighbor buys weapons for people who DO attack you.

#101 | Posted by Sully at 2012-02-03 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag

I dunno Sully ma boy....you're dropping F-bombs here...YOU"RE the emotional one, my friend.

Yea..I read the news....ALL news...International news without US/Israel bias.....stick to the NY Post and Daily News glitter boy.

"Of course it doesn't in your twisted world view, y'a war-whore."

I told you factually why it doesn't fit: Iran has participated in acts of war against Israel through proxy attacks. I'm sorry that your analogy was retarded but it is.

"You're so for it, then I expect you to be in the first wave, gun in hand, shooting them eeeeeeevil Iranians. I imagine the children and the elderly will be chip shots for y'a."

Humm a few bars of "If I Only Had a Brain" for me, Strawman. I clearly said the US should stay out of it. In fact, I don't care if Israel loses a war to Iran.

I simply refuse to pretend that Iran isn't asking for it because reality dictates that a reasonably person acknowledge Iran's repeated threats and acts of war towards Israel.

If you can't say anything fact-based in your response, don't bother.

"I dunno Sully ma boy....you're dropping F-bombs here...YOU"RE the emotional one, my friend."

I used facts to tell you why your ideas are stupid. You lose. Deal with it.

"I simply refuse to pretend that Iran isn't asking for it because reality dictates that a reasonably person acknowledge Iran's repeated threats and acts of war towards Israel."

Not even Israel pretends that's what this is about, this is about Iran's ability to create a nuclear weapon. We invaded Iraq and hung Hussein, we could not have done so if he had a nuke. That is why Iran wants one now. The threat of Israeli attack right now justifies the Iranians desire for a nuke in their minds. It's kind of hard not to get their point, you have to purposely not want to get it.

#106 | Posted by Sully at 2012-02-03 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag

If you're position is for the US to stay out of it....then stop ballwashing Israel. Its clear you're a Pro-Israel Zionist. Stop pretending that you can give a shit about what Israel does as long as the US doesnt get involved.

I'm really starting to think you are Naive and Ignornant. Sad.

"Not even Israel pretends that's what this is about, this is about Iran's ability to create a nuclear weapon."

Which Israel only cares about because Iran threatens Israel and has attacked them by proxy numerous times.

You really need me to tell you this, Danni?

Demented Jew-Haters v. Sully

Demented Jew-Haters lose as usual. Sully not only ties you queers in knots, he spits in your faces and noogies you while doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if he was fisting your mothers while typing...

Israel should attack Iran prior to Iran getting the nukes everyone knows they're lying about developing. If they don't do it then, forget it.

Vegas Odds:
Chances Israel will attack Iran: 3-2.
Chances Iran will attack Israel: 300-1.

"If you're position is for the US to stay out of it....then stop ballwashing Israel."

Being objective and looking at the facts objectively is not ball washing, dumbshit.

"Its clear you're a Pro-Israel Zionist. Stop pretending that you can give a shit about what Israel does as long as the US doesnt get involved."

Strawman. I've stated my position. Why you must assign me another is a mystery to me. You seem to have a problem with me but can't refute what I've said so you fall back on this transparently cheap tactic as if nobody will notice.

"I'm really starting to think you are Naive and Ignornant. Sad."

Really? Beacuse you're the demented one making strawman arguements, not me.

Israel is as much our surrogate as we are theirs.

I was in the U.S. Capitol the day Netanyahu spoke to both houses of Congress. The number of people the American Israeli PAC (AIPAC) sent to D.C. was unbelievable. It seemed like every single Congressional office had at least 6-10 people from AIPAC in their office watching Netanyahu speak.

#102 | Posted by rcade at 2012-02-03 12:49 PM | Reply

The symbiotic relationship is strong regardless of party and the political gamesmanship. It'll stay that way for the forseeable future regardless of control of the POTUS. It's reality. Any action by Israel will have either our tacit or direct support.

Sully you are blinded by your hatred for Iran and nearly all your posts on the subject read the same. We get it, Iran is Evil!! They ARE the axis of evil.

Question, Isreal has been threatening to attack Iran for years now. Does that justify a preemptive strike by Iran?

Also, where in your world does threatening someone justify retaliation?

You're a little kid that gets angry when insulted and reacts with violence.

Sticks and stones May break my bones but words will never hurt me. Unless those words are in Iranian, then just fucking nuke them.

Vegas Odds:
Chances Israel will attack Iran: 3-2.
Chances Iran will attack Israel: 300-1.

#112 | Posted by Sycophant at 2012-02-03 01:04 PM | Reply

If Iran achieves true nuclear capability along with delivery capability the odds of Iran attacking Israel will change dramatically.

Hey China, can we borrow a few trillion, our neocon crazies say they just got to have one more little war.

"If Iran achieves true nuclear capability along with delivery capability the odds of Iran attacking Israel will change dramatically."

Riiight. The Ayatollahs don't mind being martyrs because if they attacked Israel with a nuke we would flatten their country, well Israel would probably flatten it first and we'd flatten it again.

Danni,

Stranger things have happened, but I agree with you 100%.

What we are up against here is that Iran is becoming a military power by themselves and will lead other Middle East Nations in together becoming an emerging economic power in the world.

I see nothing wrong with it other than the people in power in the West will lose power and billions will die as a result to them keeping it.

#111 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2012-02-03 01:01 PM | Reply

Spoken from our resident racist. Gonna start calling you and Sully the Odd Couple. It's even funnier that you're backing up a fellow Retorter that you've never met like you've been long time friends. That desperate to make friends, huh 101?

Saw your racist comments regarding Don Cornelius the other day....must bug your ass that the "Negro" was worth 15 million dollars at one point. I bet you don't even have 15k in your bank account. That hate in your heart 101 must eat you alive every day of your miserable life.

Off topic- Good chance you were consumated during one of your momma gang bangs....just sayin'

Really? Beacuse you're the demented one making strawman arguements, not me.

#113 | Posted by Sully at 2012-02-03 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

If I'm making "strawman" arguments....why even retort you stupid shit?!?!

Just like 101...desperate for attention.

If Iran achieves true nuclear capability along with delivery capability the odds of Iran attacking Israel will change dramatically.

#116 | POSTED BY MATSOP

No. It won't. You have no justification for that argument. There is no reasoning behind it. There is no evidence or data to back the claim.

Iranian leaders have no death wish.

I think Obama is trying to accomplish a similar outcome in Iran, hopefully he too will succeed.

#88 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2012-02-03 12:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I hope that is what he is doing, and I hope he succeeds as well. I do not want to see any kind of war with Iran, but nor do I wish to see Iran with nuclear weapons. If they did obtain a nuke, they might not wish to use it, but it sure as shit changes the regional balance of power. They could walk through Iraq, Kuwait, etc, and probably would feel as though there would be no retaliation. Then, most would be dependent on Iran as power in the region became more centralized, and actual statehood become less and less important. Perhaps a Caliph will emerge and smite the Western dogs once and for all.

If Iran achieves true nuclear capability along with delivery capability the odds of Iran attacking Israel will change dramatically.

#116 | Posted by matsop

Believing in Armageddon is not a foreign policy.

#116 | POSTED BY MATSOP

Matsop....you'd love another war....protect your longs in Gold and Silver. ;-)

"If I'm making "strawman" arguments....why even retort you stupid shit?!?! "

Because you're a monkey flinging poo at me and I want to rub your nose in it.

Because you're a monkey flinging poo at me and I want to rub your nose in it.

#126 | Posted by Sully at 2012-02-03 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag

Eloquently said. You're a true wordsmith and scholar. I think that toxic Jersey/NYC air has rotten your IQ.

Anyway, go run along to your NEOCON, AIPAC, and UJA fundraisers.

"They could walk through Iraq, Kuwait, etc, and probably would feel as though there would be no retaliation."

Oh, like the Russians did in Afghanistan, like the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq. No, I think we've learned that you can defeat a military enemy but if you try to occupy you will suffer a death by a million cuts. Nuclear weapons are only a deterrent to invasion, any other use brings on mutual assured destruction.

Believing in Armageddon is not a foreign policy.
#124 | Posted by donnerboy

If only that were true.

*Rotted

Iraq was an unmitigated disaster. The worst in the entire history of US foriegn policy. Iran is three times larger than Iraq. Israel's clever use of guilt is bankrupting our country. A little country which enjoys free health care for everyone.

you clowns need another bogeyman...commies are gone, AQ is gone, taliban is gone, etc etc...gotta scare the plebe somehow....

Iraq was an unmitigated disaster. The worst in the entire history of US foriegn policy. Iran is three times larger than Iraq. Israel's clever use of guilt is bankrupting our country. A little country which enjoys free health care for everyone.

#131 | POSTED BY NUTCASE AT 2012-02-03 01:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Free for them. What Is the dollar amount that the United States sent them last year?

Free for them. What Is the dollar amount that the United States sent them last year?
#133 | Posted by Dirk

It's funny that we give money to other nations to provide things for their people when we don't even believe we have a right to that thing ourselves.

I simply refuse to pretend that Iran isn't asking for it because reality dictates that a reasonably person acknowledge Iran's repeated threats and acts of war towards Israel.
#106 | Posted by Sully

Name one threat towards Israel.

"It's funny that we give money to other nations to provide things for their people when we don't even believe we have a right to that thing ourselves."
It is becoming less and less funny.

Nuclear weapons are only a deterrent to invasion, any other use brings on mutual assured destruction.

#128 | Posted by danni

I agree.

Iran will never develop a definite way to actually deliver a nuclear weapon. Any time they do, the US will be right there with a way to stop it.

Hezbollah and 40,000 Katyusha rockets?

Hezbollah and 40,000 Katyusha rockets?

was in response to:

Name one threat towards Israel.

#135 | Posted by Eddie

#134 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2012-02-03 02:07 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

It's called a blank check and it needs to stop.

I don't want Israel to go away I just want them to grow up and support themselves. That isn't going to happen however as long as the International Banking Cartel is using our citizens as Israel's finacial slaves and cannon fodder for war.

Obama is their "boy"

Ron Paul is their nightmare!

I say lets put a little fear in them!

Ron Paul 2012!

It is becoming less and less funny.
#136 | Posted by danni

I only used the word funny in the name of diplomacy.

FTA: But the official also noted that Israel goes through cycles of making aggressive statements about its intentions toward Iran in an effort to pressure the United States and the West to take more action.

And then Spud noted that the US also helps Israel go through cycles of making aggressive statements through intentional "leaks" and stories just like this one here regarding Pannetta's "concerns" and coming from an unnamed source.

Conventional wisdom on bombing the Iranian nuke building sites mostly agrees that unlike the Iraqis before them the Iranians have multiple sites and all of them are built so far underground a conventional bomb would not damage them. Which is why Israel has been bugging the US for the loan of some less-than-conventional bunker buster type bombs. Bushy refused their first request for it some time ago, one of the few things he ever did that Spud agreed with.

Odd that the article doesn't mention any of that.

Spud Spud say "odd"?

Meant "predictable".

Be Well.

I am not really sure why we are so afraid of Iran getting them Nuclurr Weapons.

They can't use them.

Nobody can...and survive.

Ask Pakistan how useful they are.

Ask the Norks.

Ask India.

Ask Israel.

Ask the Pentagon.

We might as well dig a bunch of huge holes and dump money into them.

Which is, of course, just what we did.

"Ron Paul is their nightmare! I say lets put a little fear in them! Ron Paul 2012!"

If Obama does bomb Iran, Ron Paul's poll numbers will go through the roof, he could end up with a job I don't think he really even wants.

It should be noted that the Fukushima nuclear disaster is still ongoing, many say they wouldn't mind if Iran was developing nuclear power instead of nuclear bombs but, in the end, is that really any safer?

Ask Pakistan how useful they are.

Their only use, as far as Spud can tell, is that to possess hem means nobody else would be dumb enough to attack you.

It's the ultimate defensive weapon in that regard.

If Iran is building nukes with that idea in mind then trying to stop them, particularly by using a nuke tipped bunker buster type bomb would be the very height of insanity, hypocrisy and irony.

[donotwant]

Be Well.

"Name one threat towards Israel.
#135 | Posted by Eddie at 2012-02-03 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:"

I'm not your Dad. Do your own homework. If you really want to know, its easy to find.

Ignorance of facts does not negate fact.

"I think that toxic Jersey/NYC air has rotten your IQ."

And yet I wiped the floor with you when you tried to argue with me. What does that say about you?

#144 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2012-02-03 02:21 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Time will tell just how much Obama is in their corner.

This sounds a hell of a lot like war drums to me coming out of the white house. My guess is we will support Israel in every fucking way financially, covertly, from the air, from the sea, however just because we don't have infantry "boots on the ground" Obama will declaring we are not at war. As if infantry " boots on the ground" defines a war.

If the claim is that Iran is supplying Hezbollah and Hamas with weapons to attack Israel, why would Iran Nuke Israel when it would kill Palistinians and possibly Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians, Jordanians...

Plus then nuclear fall out throughout the middle east...

It's not like when America nuked Japan on the other side of the world. You're talking about a thousand miles away. It's like New York nuking Minnisota. You're shitting in your own back yard...

In olden times Iran was known by the name of Persia. So Iranians are really Persians. Have any of you seen the movie 300? If so, you know what they are capable of. Not to be silly, but I think a comparison can be made between Ahminejehad and Xerxes, as well as Netanyahu and King Leonidas.

No citation necessary.

Their only use, as far as Spud can tell, is that to possess hem means nobody else would be dumb enough to attack you.

It's the ultimate defensive weapon in that regard.

perhaps you are right.

But...America was attacked on 9/11 and all our nuclear weapons were useless.

But...America was attacked on 9/11 and all our nuclear weapons were useless.

True.

There is no perfect security.

There is only target hardening and an ongoing discussion on the trading off of freedoms for security and what the proper balance there should be.

Be Well.

wow, quelle surprise, a terrorist state and its lapdog making threats to bomb an independant country...you fuckers are more dangerous than a boatload of amapyjamapants cranked on meth...and just as stupid.

"But...America was attacked on 9/11 and all our nuclear weapons were useless."
But not by an actual country, it was a group of terrorists from many countries. Nuking Afghanistan wouldn't have accomplished anything but if Iran attackes us Tehran would be an important target.

Hezbollah and 40,000 Katyusha rockets?

#138 | Posted by donnerboy

I was hoping for a response to a verbal threat.

Good point Eddie. For what it is worth I have been lurking on this site for some time now. I regularly read your posts. I think you have more common sense and wisdom than 99% of people who post here. Keep up the good work my friend.

No citation necessary.

I was hoping for a response to a verbal threat.

#156 | Posted by Eddie

I would bet there are plenty of those from ImagonnaJihad..but not all threats are verbal. Iran backs Hezbollah and Hezbollah is a threat to Israel.

as for your verbal threat...you really need to learn to use google Eddie.

Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.

--ImagonnaJihad, October 26, 2005

Both sides are racist intolerant shitholes and we should encourage them to destroy each other.

Ka-Boom!!!!

So sure, fuck me. I earned it in this thread.
#38 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2012-02-03 11:59 AM
One might say you were "fired up" about the use of the word Jew? Go take a shower you will feel better;).
#48 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-02-03 12:02 PM

He just needs to go rest with nana.. I can't remember if she's the couch or the chair?:[

"We still need some 1979 payback action."
Jest-wake up, Reagan forgave Iran when he helped them stave off defeat by Saddam. He even gave them 300 marines to blow up to seal the deal. Then Herbie Bush disarmed Iraq and his son, Georgie the Lesser, handed Iraq to Iran. Cheney did business with the mad ayatollahs, claiming Iran was "special".
For all their fluster and bluster, conservatives have been Iran's best buddies since 1979.
#51 | Posted by northguy3 at 2012-02-03 12:04 PM

NW flag.

FTA: But the official also noted that Israel goes through cycles of making aggressive statements about its intentions toward Iran in an effort to pressure the United States and the West to take more action.
And then Spud noted that the US also helps Israel go through cycles of making aggressive statements through intentional "leaks" and stories just like this one here regarding Pannetta's "concerns" and coming from an unnamed source.
Conventional wisdom on bombing the Iranian nuke building sites mostly agrees that unlike the Iraqis before them the Iranians have multiple sites and all of them are built so far underground a conventional bomb would not damage them. Which is why Israel has been bugging the US for the loan of some less-than-conventional bunker buster type bombs. Bushy refused their first request for it some time ago, one of the few things he ever did that Spud agreed with.
Odd that the article doesn't mention any of that.
Spud Spud say "odd"?
Meant "predictable".
Be Well.
#142 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-02-03 02:16 PM

What is so special about Iran? UFO tech? Pre-deluge history? Oil?

Wrong, wrong wrong,

Israel is America East. America sliced and diced up the middle east and made israel, not for the jews, as they claim, but for america's strategic purposes.

America doesn't give a shit about the jews, the zionist or the palestinians. We only give a shit about our economic interests in the region.

And just so none of you get the wrong impression, the world is not run by jews, as some of you think. The world is run by wasps and Israel is the dirty little hooker we turn to when our wife 'the constitution' becomes too restrictive.

#157 | Posted by BradfordWinston

Spoofer?

If not, fookin stoopid.
If so, most excellent.

What is so special about Iran? UFO tech? Pre-deluge history? Oil?

FTT: ...unlike the Iraqis before them the Iranians have multiple sites and all of them are built so far underground a conventional bomb would not damage them...

The idea is the Israelis want to use a nuke tipped bunker buster type bomb to take down the Iranian nuke facilities because the type of bombing campaign they used in Iraq would be mostly ineffective here.

Newest facility is even deeper than the others.

Also in January 2012, Iran's top nuclear official announced defiantly that the country was on the verge of starting production at its second major uranium enrichment site. The new facility is buried deep underground on a well-defended military site and is considered far more resistant to airstrikes than the existing enrichment site at Natanz, limiting what Israeli officials, in particular, consider an important deterrent to Iran's nuclear aims.

--ImagonnaJihad, October 26, 2005

#158 | Posted by donnerboy

Thank you. That's what I was looking for.

Never thought you would be agreeing with Sean Hannity :)

The translation that you have is a popular Farsi to English translation, but true meaning of:

"said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine."

is more like:

"said that the name of the occupying regime must be taken off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine."

Meaning that he wants to changed the map to say Palestine instead of Israel.

Sean Hannity says that this means that Iran wants to bomb them with a WMD.

I say that Iran suggests that the map go back to what it was before Israel decided to change it.

Nuking Afghanistan wouldn't have accomplished anything but if Iran attackes us Tehran would be an important target.

#155 | Posted by danni

Think about it Danni...there is no way we could ever use a nuclear weapon on Tehran. It just ain't gonna happen. Tehran is a city full of people. If we nuked it that would be the end of America as we know it. The whole world would be against us.

Nuclear weapons only give those who have them a false sense of security and costs trillions to develop, protect and support.

There is a better chance that a terrorist will get a hold of one and use it in an act of terror than a country will ever use it to defend themselves from attack.

That money could be much better spent elsewhere to prevent wars (like feeding the poor creating jobs and building infrastructure decreasing reliance on fossil fuels) than on a bunch of useless WMD. A healthy and educated population and vibrant economy with a self-sustaining renewable energy policy is a better deterrent to attack from outside than them nucluur weapons could ever be.

Iran is wasting its time and money and Israel would be short sighted fools to attack them for it.

Meaning that he wants to changed the map to say Palestine instead of Israel.

Sean Hannity says that this means that Iran wants to bomb them with a WMD.

I say that Iran suggests that the map go back to what it was before Israel decided to change it.

#165 | Posted by Eddie

actually no. Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time."

It means they wanted disappear Israel off the map. Maybe not by military force. Maybe God (Allah) will do it. But, maybe by military force.

It is how they talk.

Hannity is a douche. But, even a douche can be close to the truth sometimes.

Right Eddie?

"It means they wanted (to) disappear Israel off the map."

FIXED

Both sides are racist intolerant shitholes and we should encourage them to destroy each other.

#159 | Posted by fwthom

The funny thing is that the ruling party in Iran are mostly Arab and not the original Aryans that you are referring to.

The Persians (PARS) are gentle folk who have little to do with ruling class. They are mostly the people in this country who are originally from Iran. However, when you talk about fighting against Iran, they think you are a belligerent Bush Republican who supports Israel not knowing why.

The bottom line is that 90% of Iranians love America and don't really care for Israel. This is because the Shah was on (at least) speaking terms with Israel and brought Israeli troops into Iran in the final days of his regime to help with the protests against him. Confusing, huh?

Confusing? I'll say! Can you explain in more detail?

It means they wanted disappear Israel off the map. Maybe not by military force. Maybe God (Allah) will do it. But, maybe by military force.

It is how they talk.

Hannity is a douche. But, even a douche can be close to the truth sometimes.

Right Eddie?

#167 | Posted by donnerboy

No, Hannity is wrong and you are too.

This article makes it a lot more clear than I did. I made a mistake in the exact translation, but here it is:

Confusing? I'll say! Can you explain in more detail?

#170 | Posted by BradfordWinston

LOL...looks like eddie is talking to himself

Danforth - Why are you bothering with someone who claims to doesn't know that Iran threatens Israel regularly. In state-run religious services they have their population chanting "Death to Israel" multiple times every day. Their current leader routinely talks about Israel being wiped off the map. This is common knowledge. If someone claims not to know this, the reasons why they don't know can't be good.

Confusing? I'll say! Can you explain in more detail?

#170 | Posted by BradfordWinston

Not much to say other than Iran and Israel were cooperating militarily enough to leave each other alone.

The faction that took over is most definitely an enemy of Israel.

But no one in the Middle East is in love with Israel, are they?

"Danforth - Why are you bothering'

Frankly, I'm not. You've got me confused with another poster.

I just don't understand why so many people in the Middle East do not love Israel. According to the Bible Israel is the holy land where Jesus lived, and where Abraham Isaac and Jacob lived, and also there are lots of Muslim holy place there. I just don't understand why Xerxes is all gung ho to wipe out Israel.

No citation necessary.

Funny stuff Eddie.

That is the exact link I was quoting from. It was and still is a controversy but taken in context with the history Iran and ImagonnaJihad we all knew exactly what he meant.

Ahmadinejad has since walked himself back from his statement as any good politician can. But, we all know what he meant. Iran is definitely a threat to Israel and they have not threatened to attack them directly.

But, they have made plenty of veiled threats and they continue to fund Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations that do directly threaten Israel. And now we have handed them Iraq.

It is no wonder that Israel feels just a bit more paranoid than usual these days.

Frankly, I'm not. You've got me confused with another poster.

#175 | Posted by Danforth

its me and I do know better...moving on..

But, they have made plenty of veiled threats and they continue to fund Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations that do directly threaten Israel. And now we have handed them Iraq.

It is no wonder that Israel feels just a bit more paranoid than usual these days.

#177 | Posted by donnerboy

Yes and no.

Our problem is that we've done far worse to Iran than they have done to us or Israel. I agree they (the ruling class) support Hezbollah against Israel. But, again the ruling class is only less than 10% of Iran.

Funny how a minority of this country support our efforts to support Israel and the same is happening in Iran.

Ahmadinejad has since walked himself back from his statement as any good politician can. But, we all know what he meant. Iran is definitely a threat to Israel and they have not threatened to attack them directly.
#177 | Posted by donnerboy

I don't think he denied saying it. Why would he? It was political non-speak. But, he's enjoy the heck out of the way fools like Hannity are using it.

"Spoofer?
If not, fookin stoopid.
If so, most excellent.
#163 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis"

Dude, come on. You really need to ask that? The guy called Eddie intelligent for crissakes.

Point taken, Monte.

.... "Panetta: Israel Likely to Attack Iran"

**** WOW! Is this supposed to "SCARE" Iran into Capitulating? Iran knows and so does Israel that if theres an attack on Iran that Russia will step in and BOMB the HELL out of Israel...in fact Russia may just be waiting for this OPPORTUNITY to present itself so that htey can PRE_EMPT Israel and so get rid of this "thorn in their side" in the Middle East and Asia! Plus if Russia BOMBS Israel in retaliation we'll soon see that America "doesn't want to get involved...or severly mauled" in a fight over a burdensome entity as... Useless & Expendable... as Israel really is!

"

Hey China, can we borrow a few trillion, our neocon crazies say they just got to have one more little war.

#117 | Posted by danni
Idiot the C.I.C. is your beloved leader Obama . The last I heard he was a democrat ,who Panneta (Democract)in Dec. said Obama would bomb Iran before letting them go nuke. Christ your always all over the place, never consitent.What do you do stick your finger out the window to see which way the wind blows before you respond?

Don't ask danni to apply commonsense to her talking points of the day!

Oh, did you hear how the ayatollah admitted today how they were backers of hizbullah, hamas, and the islamic jihad? And have been, proudly declaring their support during the 2006 missile attack on Israel?

Maybe Baracks open hand just hasn't been 'splained to them clearly?

Likely to attack: I certainly hope so Ollie.

#8 | Posted by reitze at 2012-02-02 11:31 PM | Reply | Flag CAN'T STOMACH THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TRUE NATURE OF THE ISRAELIS

#56 | Posted by Redsoxfan at 2012-02-03 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

More like WTF is the truth and who's pulling the strings of nations? As far as Isreal I support their existance and solverenty - but their covert actions suck like our own. There's got to be a better way - but IDK seems we just keep pushing... one step closer to the edge... happy game day!