I can live without alcohol. Live without drugs. Only thing more likely to turn me into a criminal than sugar prohibition would be caffeine prohibition.

Sugar is a drug, and America is a country of addicts.

Winston and Syme pushed their trays beneath the grille. On to each was dumped swiftly the regulation lunch -- a metal pannikin of pinkish-grey stew, a hunk of bread, a cube of cheese, a mug of milkless Victory Coffee, and one saccharine tablet. -1984

Sugar is a drug... -- #2 | Posted by nullifidian

Oh, I know. Dessert is one of very few things I can't keep in the house.

Good fucking God.

Trillion dollar deficits, wars across the globe, 9% unemployment and some libtard scientists want the government to start regulating sugar.

Sugar.

Sugar is a free radical creating antigen.

i wonder if they will ban breads, rice and potatos since the human body converts them all to sugar too

the future is looking bland

Sugar is a free radical creating antigen.

Oxygen is a free radical. A diradical, to be exact.

If an otherwise healthy person breathes 100% oxygen, only harm can result. Same goes if a person with a normal nutrient intake consumes excess calories.

Moderation, folks. Well, a combination of moderation and not sitting on your fat ass.

Sugar is one main cause of childhood obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, attention deficit disorder, hyperactivity, etc...

We don't feed sugar to our dogs because it's unhealthy for them yet we shovel it down with an addictive desire.

But! I definitely think people should be responsible for themselves! Which is why all drugs should be legal.

Rather than listing everything possibly dangerous and regulating it we should legalize everything and only provide statistical data as best available - so that people can make more effective medical decisions, including the recreational ones.

And seriously sugar prohibition would be worse than all the other prohibitions that ever were. Amerikins would become so fat they'd all have wheel chairs and the wheel chairs would have to be so big they'd be the new cars. We'll have hybrid wheel chairs soon (if GM can scale down its volt that was supposed to be a wheel-chair, no golf car, no a car!).

Sugar is one main cause of childhood obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, attention deficit disorder, hyperactivity, etc...

Add wheat to that list. It's worse than sugar.
Look up "Wheat Belly" in Amazon.

You can have my sweet tea when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Sugar is a drug, and America is a country of addicts.

www.lurj.org

#2 | Posted by nullifidian

has anyone told Zed? When he finds out he'll probably have to go to rehab... again.

has anyone told Zed? When he finds out he'll probably have to go to rehab... again.

The only question is what god he ends up worshiping when he gets out.

I definitely think people should be responsible for themselves!

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2012-02-01 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL.

It,s all about finding ways for new taxes.

Sugar is one main cause of childhood obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, attention deficit disorder, hyperactivity, etc...
We don't feed sugar to our dogs because it's unhealthy for them yet we shovel it down with an addictive desire.
But! I definitely think people should be responsible for themselves! Which is why all drugs should be legal.
#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2012-02-01 07:25 PM

Sugar in moderation is fine, although according to some research it's absolutely not helpful for Alzheimer and neurologically impaired patients. It's the mitochondrial disorder that doesn't allow glucose use, promoting diabetic response.

Now, high fructose corn syrup is dangerously magnifying the free radical density in the bloodstream, which is particularly destructive to brain cells. Once all of body's cells are full of unprocessed glucose those blood cells are also "full" attempting to carry away and distribute glucose rather than process oxygen. So, it's a double-whammy - low oxygenation also stresses every organ, lowers brain function, causing dizziness after eating and a constant state of tired. The free-radical saturation and mitochondrial malfunction from what I can observe are only related in that the diet is incompatible, and eventually toxic. The root of the issue is what causes the disorder? It's genetically encoded in every person, so what are the factual combination of genetic triggers? Nearly everyone appears to behave with a diabetic response. Is this chemtrail sensitivity to genetic changes in food?

Regulate everything, or nothing. Why we're not allowed to use harmless marijuana, or tobacco in moderation without a plethora of laws, yet suck down sugar all day long makes no sense. You can't keep drawing lines differentiating. I say bring on sugar regulation, so long as the government also has a say in drugs and booze. The rest of Americans can learn what it's like trying to smoke a cigarette or brewing a bottle of beer for sale.

A while ago it was transfats now it's sugar.

Next it will be linoleum causes cancer--regulate it.

Oh--there is a Berkeley professor--no study just a brain fart --

Says that cell phones for kids should be regulated because the radiation may cause tumors in kids who use them. Their brains are not as developed as adults who use the same phones and suffer no effects.

He also wants money to do a study.

I guess he will have various cell phones and attach them to rats and see if they die. It'll be on youtube.

"Oh--there is a Berkeley professor--no study just a brain fart -- Says that cell phones for kids should be regulated because the radiation may cause tumors in kids who use them. Their brains are not as developed as adults who use the same phones and suffer no effects. He also wants money to do a study."

Frankly, the concept we could be doing irreparable harm to an entire generation of children sounds like a great thing to research.

"I guess he will have various cell phones and attach them to rats and see if they die."

You'd rather the research be done on your kids?

Sugar is a drug, and America is a country of addicts.

Druggies are always trying to rationalize.

Sugar is a free radical creating antigen.

Wow. That's quite the word salad.

I'm too tired to read the links so they'll have to wait until tomorrow.

Nature is a top-tier, peer-reviewed science journal.

Posted by Phoenix at 05:51 PM | 21 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry | KNOWS DICK ABOUT NATURE.

You missed this part of your own post:

"according to a commentary in the current issue of the journal Nature"

If you knew anything about this or most other professional journals, they often publish commentaries like this to spur debate. In a few months they'll have a couple pages of letters.

Sugar is one main cause of childhood obesity....bblah, blah, blah

#10 | Posted by ClownFucker at 2012-02-01 07:25 PM

No, it is not.

Children are fat because of the fast food mentality of public school lunch programs, and fast food for dinner, while playing video games.

There's a Coke in there too, but it is not a "main cause."

Now, high fructose corn syrup is dangerously magnifying the free radical density in the bloodstream, which is particularly destructive to brain cells.

#18 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2012-02-01 09:34 PM | Reply | BELIEVES IN JEFFNDENMARK

"Once in the bloodstream, high fructose corn syrup and sucrose behave identically. . . . Fructose from high fructose corn syrup is metabolized just like fructose from other sources. "

Dr. Lauralee Sherwood, author of the medical textbook Human Physiology.

So, according to a real expert (not some crackpot Web site you got from JeffN) HFCS is just like eating an apple, which also contains a lot of fructose.

We don't feed sugar to our dogs because it's unhealthy for them yet we shovel it down ...

#10 | Posted by ClownFucker at 2012-02-01 07:25 PM

Did you know there is no Vitamin C in cat food? Because it's not healthy for them, dumbshit. Different species have different needs. Remember that the next time you knock over the garbage can and roll around in it.

Now, high fructose corn syrup is dangerously magnifying the free radical density in the bloodstream, which is particularly destructive to brain cells.
#18 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2012-02-01 09:34 PM | Reply | BELIEVES IN JEFFNDENMARK
"Once in the bloodstream, high fructose corn syrup and sucrose behave identically. . . . Fructose from high fructose corn syrup is metabolized just like fructose from other sources. "
Dr. Lauralee Sherwood, author of the medical textbook Human Physiology.
So, according to a real expert (not some crackpot Web site you got from JeffN) HFCS is just like eating an apple, which also contains a lot of fructose.
#26 | Posted by vernon at 2012-02-02 02:57 AM

Precisely what indicates a human responding negatively to fructose is suffering a disorder, dude. Diabetes means systemic mitochondrial dysfunction. Sugar doesn't cause diabetes, but it contributes immensely.

And eating that HFCS is like eating the sugar from twenty apples rather than one. Does this make sense now? It's not just what ingredients are ingested but what proportion can be utilized.

Also, diabetics have a hard time metabolizing glucose, regardless coming from an inverted source or not. So honey is just as dangerous as an apple, but still nowhere near as bad as high fructose corn syrup.

Explains Dr. Lauralee Sherwood in her book "Human Physiology," type 2 diabetes arises from dietary and lifestyle factors, often diets high in sugar and refined starch, as well as obesity. These factors combine to make body cells insensitive to the pancreatic hormone insulin, which normally causes cells to take up glucose. Type 2 diabetics can therefore have very high, uncontrolled insulin levels.

What makes you think I am selecting JeffInDenmark's data to back what I claim? Has he posted similar information?

Moderation, folks. Well, a combination of moderation and not sitting on your fat ass.

#9 | POSTED BY DR_ICEPICK

THIS.

It aint rocket science.

Eat well as a rule, indulge in moderation and exercise regularly.

Remember to rehydrate.

Spud's rule is "moderation in all things, including moderation".

Corn syrup sucks ass, btw.

Be Well.

Trillion dollar deficits, wars across the globe, 9% unemployment and some libtard scientists want the government to start regulating sugar.

Sugar.

#6 | Posted by JOE

Jaysus! Talk about totally missing the point. Did you even bother to read the article?

Children are fat because of the fast food mentality of public school lunch programs, and fast food for dinner, while playing video games.

There's a Coke in there too, but it is not a "main cause."

#25 | Posted by vernon

Well, gee, Verm, what do you think they put in those fast foods or Coke?

I'm waiting to overhear this conversation:

"Duuude...you packin'?"
"I might have a few cubes of pure cane.."
"Hawaiian?"
"Puerto Rican...really smooth."
"SHIT! Hide it, here come the fat police.."

"Druggies are always trying to rationalize."

What's a druggie? A shill for Big Pharma? Or just your average American with a dozen prescriptions?

Only the left is intelligent enough to decide what you eat.

Mustang the fat police will get you at the security checkpoing scanner for entering the airpirt/super-bowl/... soon the street corner near you. You got excess calories? Hording? Lets look,... 4th what?

First things first...let the diabetic die! They obviously abused sugar, right? Fuck them!

Second, Get that damned G-d already for making this shit! There is no greater drug maker on Earth than G-d and his bitch of a partner, Mother Nature. Let's do it to them before they do it to us!

A good first step: NUKE HERSHEY PENNSYLVANIA!

#36 Hi Kanrei.

1st, That's the current system. Dr Pushers tell people to take drugs (mask the symptoms and even the biological evidence of high BG) while they keep on poisoning themselves beyond the point of deadly non-return. Help like that is not help.

2nd hu? Go read The 5th Sacred thing.

3rd. I've been to hershey and loved it. Hershey bars have saved people's lives. They're not good nutrition for frequent consumption but for starving or occaisional treat its a good thing.

Go read The 5th Sacred thing

The what? G-d is the top drug maker on Earth. Coca, Marijuana, poppies, sugar, magic mushrooms, peyote, etc. G-d loves drugs!

"according to a commentary in the current issue of the journal Nature"

If you knew anything about this or most other professional journals, -- #24 | Posted by vernon

I'm quite sure I know a lot more about them than you do. It's fair to note that while Nature is a top-tier peer-reviewed journal, the commentary section is almost certainly not peer-reviewed.

G-d loves drugs!

#38 | Posted by kanrei

Like the Dinosaur bones...He put them there to test you. Life just is a big Test. Didn't you know? And if you would take the proper Drugs you can talk to God directly and he will tell you Himself.

He put them there to test you.

Yeah, but the test is "quantity and quality" and I passed.

"The researchers propose regulations such as taxing all foods and drinks that include added sugar, banning sales in or near schools and placing age limits on purchases."

Just make it more expensive but addicts will get their fix regardless of what they are addicted to.

Imagine this: those kids selling candy between classes would now be drug dealers! Gotta stock up those private prisons after all.

Kids are fat because the schools feed them FREE breakfasts and lunch, the local city library feeds them at 5PM, the local food bank hands out backpacks full of food every Friday to feed the kids over the weekend and two differrent churches do a free supper all you can eat two nights a week. all but the churches use MY TAX MONEY to feed the littl lard asses. Their parents use their food stamps for more tattoos and body piercings or else sell them for meth. Sheeeeit, we are doomed.

It was easy with tobacco. Now there will be no end to it. And we were warned and said nothing.

It was easy with tobacco. Now there will be no end to it. And we were warned and said nothing.

#46 | Posted by KBM

Yeah, and it all began with you prohibitionist fucks and your endless moral wars against alcohol and plants.

Kanrei yes we should nuke Hershey they are the biggest user of cocoa beans from the Gold Coast almost all of which are picked with child slave labor. Fuck Hershey they have known about the problem for years and still do it.

I used to go to Hershey park as a kid and loved it but I didn't know that kids were living in slavery to support my fun at the time.

all but the churches use MY TAX MONEY

#45 | Posted by bumpkin44

Actually, the churches use the money they would be paying in taxes. So it is your money.

I hope this actually gets somewhere.

Because if it does, it will be the piece of nanny-state horseshit that finally gets America off its ass, so that these do-gooders who don't want anyone to have any fat, smokes, alcohol or anything else tasty or fun will get run out of power.

Isn't the medical establishment the same ones who pushed tran fats, saccharine, acetaminophen etc. as "healthier" alternatives?

I hope this actually gets somewhere. Because if it does, it will be the piece of nanny-state horseshit that finally gets America off its ass... -- #50 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

That's part of the reason I like this article. It seems like it should force people to think more carefully about why we regulate behavior -- to protect individuals, or to minimize social costs?

If it's the latter, it makes no sense at all that alcohol is legal and pot isn't. Moreover, there are a lot of economic studies that indicate that obesity, lung cancer, etc. do not impose public costs b/c those afflicted die early and therefore collect less social security and medicare.

Isn't the medical establishment the same ones who pushed tran fats, saccharine, acetaminophen etc. as "healthier" alternatives?
#51 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2012-02-02 08:54 PM

And anti-psychotics that are only effective for 10%, the other 90% are an "acceptable risk", 10% have thoughts of suicide, etc. Oh, and they claim GM foods are perfectly safe..

Claiming sugar causing diabetes is intellectually dishonest medicine, but the FDA, DEA, EPA and AMA are a profit-motive operations only.

Sugar is one main cause of childhood obesity....bblah, blah, blah
#10 | Posted by ClownFucker at 2012-02-01 07:25 PM
No, it is not.
Children are fat because of the fast food mentality of public school lunch programs, and fast food for dinner, while playing video games.
There's a Coke in there too, but it is not a "main cause."
#25 | POSTED BY VERNON AT 2012-02-02 02:47 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

You are too stupid Vermin.

First, it is one main cause. Keyword is "one" and not "the".

Second, do you have any clue how much sugar there is in fast food and school lunches?

Take your head out of your ass idiot.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack

"main cause."

If I had to guess I would think he's talking about parental responsibility.

Right over your head.

rwd

#55 Posted by rwd.

If you'd of read my original post he was responding to you would read I wrote:

I definitely think people should be responsible for themselves!
#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2012-02-01 07:25 PM

I accept your apology.

#55 Posted by rwd.

If you'd of read my original post he was responding to you would read I wrote:

I definitely think people should be responsible for themselves!
#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2012-02-01 07:25 PM

I accept your apology.

what do you think they put in those fast foods or Coke?

#31 | Posted by ZOT at 2012-02-02 09:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well gee, ZIT, how much sugar do you think they put in them thar chicken nuggets?

Dumbass.

The offending element is fat, not sugar.

what do you think they put in those fast foods or Coke?

#31 | Posted by ZOT at 2012-02-02 09:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well gee, ZIT, how much sugar do you think they put in them thar chicken nuggets?

Dumbass.

The offending element is fat, not sugar.

#58 | Posted by vernon at 2012-02-03 01:00 AM

Actually, the "offending" component is that the cells aren't using the fuel offered and is in fact become thoroughly toxified with glucose.

Again, Dr. Sherwood makes no claims differently from myself, other than her lack of understanding that other metabolic process are changed similarly in every single person afflicted with diabetes.

In other words - it's a natural reaction to a specific, apparently genetic trigger. A defense mechanism, if you will. What is triggering the mitochondria to stop processing glucose at the rate it's designed for should be a serious point of focus.

Some babies are born with diabetes - they haven't had access or exposure to anything other than the diet of the non-diabetic mother. Why should that result in diabetes?

Also, why is it a epidemic in the US and not abroad - particularly in nations with poor health regulation and less access to emergency medical treatment? Why is America singled-out for this genetic trigger to be tripped?

Is it possible that genetically modified foods do have a very, very serious side-effect? Has environmental manipulation (chemtrails) invented this reaction to foods?

endless moral wars against alcohol and plants.

#47 | Posted by nullifidian at 2012-02-02 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

KBM: Why do you hate soybeans, roses and orange trees?

null-N-void deserves an answer!

"how much sugar do you think they put in them thar chicken nuggets?

Dumbass."

Just make it more expensive but addicts will get their fix regardless of what they are addicted to.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2012-02-02 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

So what are you paying for a bag these days?

Most people have a price limit (I stopped buying pot when it went past $80 an ounce) but addicts will continue to buy regardless of the price. As you stated.

Addicts will pay any price and restructure their lives to get their fix.

As you stated.

So, Danni, how much are you paying these days? Is there a price you will not pay?

Some babies are born with diabetes - they haven't had access or exposure to anything other than the diet of the non-diabetic mother. Why should that result in diabetes?

Because their beta cells are dead? Just a guess...

Is it possible that genetically modified foods do have a very, very serious side-effect? Has environmental manipulation (chemtrails) invented this reaction to foods?

You're shitting me, right?

That would (sic) 28 grams, dumbass.

#61 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2012-02-03 01:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Where in the fuck are you taking your "foster" children for lunch on the weekends? 28 grams of sugar in fried chicken? Are you including a stop at Baskin Robbins? I guess it knocks them out at "nap time."

So, Chicken McNuggets have about 110 calories from sugar.

Oh My!

never mind that this site says there are ZERO calories from sugar in chicken nuggets:

I accept your apology.

#57 | Posted by ClownFucker at 2012-02-02 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

I also accept your apology, ClownFucker

#65 Posted by Vermin

No apology was offered moron.

I guess you don't understand the context of the sentence:

Sugar is one main cause of childhood obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, attention deficit disorder, hyperactivity, etc...

One, as in one of a number others. As in sugar, carbohydrates, fats, inactivity...

You seem to be willfully ignorant.

I don't think anything should be done about it other that teaching the dangers of overindulgence.

"Some babies are born with diabetes - they haven't had access or exposure to anything other than the diet of the non-diabetic mother. Why should that result in diabetes?"
Because their beta cells are dead? Just a guess...
"Is it possible that genetically modified foods do have a very, very serious side-effect? Has environmental manipulation (chemtrails) invented this reaction to foods?"
You're shitting me, right?
#63 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-03 01:33 AM

Maybe.

The pancreas isn't dead, it's merely restructuring to meet the needs of the body. For instance:

#65 Posted by Vermin
No apology was offered moron.
I guess you don't understand the context of the sentence:
"Sugar is one main cause of childhood obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, attention deficit disorder, hyperactivity, etc..."
One, as in one of a number others. As in sugar, carbohydrates, fats, inactivity...
You seem to be willfully ignorant.
I don't think anything should be done about it other that teaching the dangers of overindulgence.
#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2012-02-03 01:56 AM

He's stuck on sugar because it's the easiest way to physically observe a reaction, so it's the most common "culprit" blamed for the disease. That's not illogical, but it is uninformed.

No apology was offered moron. I guess you don't understand the context of the sentence:

#66 | Posted by ClownFucker at 2012-02-03 01:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess you don't understand the general dismissal of your idiotic comments and crackpot science.

You approach the topic as though you are some sort of brilliant expert, and everyone is supposed to kneel down and thank you for enlightenment. You think everyone is just waiting for you to open your yap so their minds can be enriched.

"Oh, Please speak to us, Oh Great and Powerful ClownFucker! We cannot function without your thoughts and wisdom! Speak guidance into our pathetic and empty souls, Great Oz!"

That's you.

The rest of the universe regards you as a silly, self-centered and irrelevant clown. Apparently as you do yourself. Hence you proudly wear the name of ClownFucker. Proud of your irrelevance.

No apology was offered moron. I guess you don't understand the context of the sentence:
#66 | Posted by ClownFucker at 2012-02-03 01:56 AM | Reply | Flag:
I guess you don't understand the general dismissal of your idiotic comments and crackpot science.
You approach the topic as though you are some sort of brilliant expert, and everyone is supposed to kneel down and thank you for enlightenment. You think everyone is just waiting for you to open your yap so their minds can be enriched.
"Oh, Please speak to us, Oh Great and Powerful ClownFucker! We cannot function without your thoughts and wisdom! Speak guidance into our pathetic and empty souls, Great Oz!"
That's you.
The rest of the universe regards you as a silly, self-centered and irrelevant clown. Apparently as you do yourself. Hence you proudly wear the name of ClownFucker. Proud of your irrelevance.
#69 | Posted by vernon at 2012-02-03 02:14 AM

We all are naive, I stick my neck out for JPW to swing at every single medically-related post. We all have a lot to learn from each other - you should try brevity.

#69 | POSTED BY VERNON

Those are a lot of words to tell me nothing. Tell me sugar isn't a cause of diabetes.

Sugar is one main cause of childhood obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, attention deficit disorder, hyperactivity, etc...

actually, out of everything listed there, your only complaint has been directly related to the obesity part.

If you don't think eating sugar laden foods like doughnuts, cereals, candy bars... isn't causing obesity you are lying to yourself. With our the sugar most kids wouldn't eat most "junk foods".

I dont know what your gripe is since I'm not advocating doing anything about it other than acknowledgment of its harms, when used in excess.

Blow off more steam.

Well gee, ZIT, how much sugar do you think they put in them thar chicken nuggets?

Dumbass.

The offending element is fat, not sugar.

#58 | Posted by vernon

Go here:

#58 | Posted by vernon

Ho boy, now Vermin's a dietitian and nutritionist!

Hey, fat boy, just slap those two on your resume and add them to that impressive list:

Dietitian & nutritionist
Ghost writer
Ouija board manipulator
Flesh peddler
Prophet
Kabbalistic astrologer
Simian genealogist
Small rodent periodontist
Buffoon
Bandwidth waster

Maybe.

The "shitting me" part was only in regards to chemtrails and GMOs. But that's only because I view both of those as conspiracy theories.

The pancreas isn't dead, it's merely restructuring to meet the needs of the body. For instance:

I know the pancreas itself isn't dead, just the small number of specialized beta cells.

Interesting snippit you posted though (the mitochondrial disorder stuff above I'd never heard of either). I'll freely admit I'm not particularly well versed in the latest and greatest of diabetes research.

The biggest issue I take with this though is the fact that they're citing the relative rarity of high sugar foods throughout our evolution while leaving out another constant throughout our evolution-constant motion and exercise. Of course our bodies are going to react negatively when we saturate them with energy then burn none or little of it. Our slothful lifestyle is more "toxic" than our food IMO.

"Maybe."
The "shitting me" part was only in regards to chemtrails and GMOs. But that's only because I view both of those as conspiracy theories.

Hmm.. I try and keep an open mind about the probability of human-related causation. Particularly when I can identify the medical practice is to ignore the fundamental physiological disorder. The chemtrail phenomena isn't explained to my satisfaction, and again appears to be covered up and ignored. Imo, diabetes is a genocide weapon.

"The pancreas isn't dead, it's merely restructuring to meet the needs of the body. For instance:"
I know the pancreas itself isn't dead, just the small number of specialized beta cells.
Interesting snippit you posted though (the mitochondrial disorder stuff above I'd never heard of either). I'll freely admit I'm not particularly well versed in the latest and greatest of diabetes research.
The biggest issue I take with this though is the fact that they're citing the relative rarity of high sugar foods throughout our evolution while leaving out another constant throughout our evolution-constant motion and exercise. Of course our bodies are going to react negatively when we saturate them with energy then burn none or little of it. Our slothful lifestyle is more "toxic" than our food IMO.
#75 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-03 11:19 AM

From what I can determine, analog of the Paleo Diet is the optimal manner to regulate modern diet. This means mostly in-season fruit, some vegetables, stored nuts and like the chimpanzee only 5% "meat" protein.. I don't know if I could eat insects willingly, so a patty, nugget or popcorn form might be easier to pass muster. Most work doesn't usually give time off for fasting though - which is required, and thus, the Paleo Diet would most definitely be considered "risky" and "dangerous" by the AMA.

And if insect is such a cheap, awesome alternative to factory farm chicken, beef and pork why hasn't anything been introduced outside of honey? I'm guessing the buggy flavor is.. overpowering. Not to mention the marketing issues for IHOP's Mouthful of Maggots.

Introducing genetically modified food and artificial compounds introduce new, entirely alien elements into the diet and digestive process. And the result we have are genetic diseases. Who has enforced these alterations to the American diet?

As for chemtrails - they are persistently sprayed and observable. If this is a Monsanto plot to destroy all organic foods it's working. If it's a Zionist plot to weaken America for invasion it's working. If it's a natural biological reaction to something alien influencing the American food supply and/or the organisms consuming, it's working. What isn't working - modern medicine. They don't cure people, merely force their body to maintain the disease. This is a large-scale epidemic and it's being ignored by serious medicine and relegated to conspiracy.

#71. It isn't. There I told you so!

The responsibility of Government is provide a good honest education. What people do with that knowledge is usually none of their business.

Instead Government conspires with our richest transnational Corporations to misinform. They still haven't gotten the food pyramid right, after fifty years of trying.

**** Regulate the White House and the US Congress as Virulent TOXINS!!!

For the sugar freaks

Sugar Sugar

Hmm.. I try and keep an open mind about the probability of human-related causation. Particularly when I can identify the medical practice is to ignore the fundamental physiological disorder.

How is it ignored? We're beaten over the head with information to eat HFCS in moderation and exercise our fat asses.

The vast majority disregard this and piss and moan when they're fat bodies with diabetes. Much of this is a self-made problem.

The chemtrail phenomena isn't explained to my satisfaction, and again appears to be covered up and ignored. Imo, diabetes is a genocide weapon.

Genocidal weapon? Based on what evidence? As I said, I'm far from up to date but the last I knew there was convincing evidence of viral infection-mediated autoimmunity playing a large role (I have a special place in my heart for this since it's the family of viruses I worked on) with genetic differences associated with resistance to this having been identified.

From what I can determine, analog of the Paleo Diet is the optimal manner to regulate modern diet.

I'm not a nutritionist so I can't say for sure, but I do know that "paleo diet" seems to be the latest buzzword.

It's not hard and it doesn't require any special knowledge-eat plenty of fruits and vegetables with some meat thrown in. Exercise in the mean time. It's REALLY fucking simple. The problem with most people is either they're stupid or want to be healthy without any effort, ie they're lazy.

And if insect is such a cheap, awesome alternative to factory farm chicken, beef and pork why hasn't anything been introduced outside of honey? I'm guessing the buggy flavor is.. overpowering

I don't know about the taste but I'm sure the market is...well...lacking LOL.

Also, I can't imagine the nightmare of regulations one would have to be familiar with to grow/breed/whatever the insects in a clean enough environment for human consumption.

Introducing genetically modified food and artificial compounds introduce new, entirely alien elements into the diet and digestive process. And the result we have are genetic diseases. Who has enforced these alterations to the American diet?

As far as I've seen there hasn't been a single well done study showing a detrimental affect of GMOs. Hell, my gut says there shouldn't be given the fact that all that's introduced is another protein, just like any other protein present in the food. Now, one could argue that given the resistance there is a larger amount of pesticides/chemicals sprayed on them and the higher amounts of those are problematic, but I can't recall seeing this argument.

As for artificial compounds, is that what you're referring to? Or are you getting at something else?

As for your statement of causation with genetics diseases I'd say you've over-stepped your bounds. It's incredibly difficult to introduce mutations in the germ line (sperm or egg) via environmental means. If food sources were the equivalent of a genetic sledge hammer we'd be seeing much much much more than we are IMO.

As for chemtrails - they are persistently sprayed and observable.

Chemtrails have never been demonstrated to be anything other than condensation trails left by planes. The few things I've seen claiming otherwise while attempting to be scientific are usually suspect and riddled with errors.

If this is a Monsanto plot to destroy all organic foods it's working. If it's a Zionist plot to weaken America for invasion it's working. If it's a natural biological reaction to something alien influencing the American food supply and/or the organisms consuming, it's working.

I honestly don't know what to say to this bucket of crazy.

What isn't working - modern medicine. They don't cure people, merely force their body to maintain the disease. This is a large-scale epidemic and it's being ignored by serious medicine and relegated to conspiracy.

Because usually a cure doesn't exist in reality. We, as of yet, do not know how to regenerate beta cells. The best we can do is provide insulin to the body in place of those cells. Also, medicine doesn't force the body to maintain the disease. The body will and does maintain the disease just fine. Modern medicine does, much to your chagrin evidently, allow people with these diseases to live long beyond what their shelf life would be otherwise.

As far as diabetes goes, the disease is hardly ignored by "serious medicine". The conspiracy part they leave to you.

#82 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-04 12:46 AM

Diabetes isn't necessarily foreign genetic material. Thus, types 2 and 3 afflicted can be cured by simply reducing all food as specifically required.

Paleo Diet is popular? I found information about it on a Norwegian site many years ago. You skipped addressing the biggest factor of that diet - the fasting. We (Americans) simply won't do it, imo. You shouldn't just go to work while fasting, or drive, etc. You could start to see Avatar in 3D without glasses though..

Chemtrails have distinct differences from regular contrails, and unless we recognize this tool is potentially hazardous this conversation is missing a potential causation being enacted. What is most alarming is that pilots seem to have no idea what they are.. or don't want to. DUM-DUM-DUUUUUM!

I personally know a lot of diabetics, some are skinny, so the fat/sugar paradigm is not adequate to confirm the poor dietary model is the right contributor.

Diabetes isn't necessarily foreign genetic material. Thus, types 2 and 3 afflicted can be cured by simply reducing all food as specifically required.

No, type I diabetes is the one linked to viral infection (lack of insulin production).

Type II is insulin resistance by the muscles and liver for uptake of sugar. That's due to our shit lifestyle.

And yes, diet certainly can improve type II diabetes symptoms and onset. You're not on to something new here.

Paleo Diet is popular? I found information about it on a Norwegian site many years ago.

I don't know how old it is I just know I've read about it quite a bit in message forums and comments sections about nutrition and such.

You skipped addressing the biggest factor of that diet - the fasting. We (Americans) simply won't do it, imo.

You could have left out the IMO and been a-OK LOL. Average Americans don't and it's certainly part of the problem. Excess and shit quality.

You shouldn't just go to work while fasting, or drive, etc. You could start to see Avatar in 3D without glasses though..

LOL some would say nauseated as well.

Chemtrails have distinct differences from regular contrails, and unless we recognize this tool is potentially hazardous this conversation is missing a potential causation being enacted. What is most alarming is that pilots seem to have no idea what they are.. or don't want to. DUM-DUM-DUUUUUM!

No, there are contrails with different morphologies. It's circular reasoning to say that the length of time a "chemtrail" persists or the morphology it takes over time means it's a chemtrail. Until someone flies into these different contrail types, takes samples, consistently shows them to contain a different chemical makeup and has this work replicated by someone else independently it's all conjecture by crazies with cameras.

As such, they're very useful in this current discussion. Particularly when current science is making headway into causes of diabetes (which, keep in mind, could be another umbrella disease caused by many different factors).

I personally know a lot of diabetics, some are skinny, so the fat/sugar paradigm is not adequate to confirm the poor dietary model is the right contributor.

See above.

Also, don't be too swayed by this. Biology is NEVER black and white.

As such, they're not very useful in this current discussion.

And eating that HFCS is like eating the sugar from twenty apples rather than one.

Not to backtrack, but where does this bullshit emanate from?

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2012-02-04 01:56 AM

None of this is "new" to me whatsoever. I've been arguing on behalf of the Gerson therapy since I discovered it years back. The only reason I have such views on diabetics is because nearly all of my elder family seem to turn diabetic. One is a freakin' hunter (not overweight, and quite active) who now gets too cold to even track - and his whole family live a frugal diet. It appears to happen to most of their age groups simultaneously, which indicates an environmental trigger is probable, imo. Thus, chemtrails having such active presence over their homes could easily be considered one factor. Possibly the first causation, but I don't know from any government or military studies because there are none. As I've stated before, pilots are not really certain what their makeup is because they do not behave like water vapor contrails. Perhaps it's feeding a new systemic disease-spreader? There are new infections showing in animals that are exposed to them. Diet has always been a factor of weight gain/loss and is directly related to "health", but the same diet is now a pathway to a genetic disease reaction.

I have no shame regarding my skepticism of chemtrails - so we can argue it or not, any way you wish. Bringing out "crazies" is quite "debunkerist" of you. UFO's are all crackpot nonsense too? I'm fine with this opinion, so long as you are willing to concede if wrong. Isn't that quite magnanimous of me?:]

"And eating that HFCS is like eating the sugar from twenty apples rather than one."
Not to backtrack, but where does this bullshit emanate from?
en.wikipedia.org
Of course, he speaks of chemtrails, too.
Good grief.
#86 | Posted by apparatchik at 2012-02-04 03:07 AM

Excellent question - why are people so susceptible to bullshit?

HFCS is far more than simply including 20x the glucose into the diet and expecting the body to metabolize that normally. If you understand how it's performed, if the body is overly acidic, does that change how glucose is produced in the first place? I suspect that enzymatic isomers flooding a body, which then is forced to convert that back into glucose by the nature of catalytic reaction.. and finds that the receptors are not being enacted any more. Finds that glucose isn't being used any more. Finds that a quickly developing toxicity produces a number of diseases - all genetic.

So, HFCS is a genetic weapon, imo. Hope your head doesn't explode, lady.

Chemtrails are not something you have experience with? Or, is this just a trick of atmospheric changes, a factor of Global Climate Change? It's something to consider as we have massive ecological stressors produce possible dead and dying regions.

I fixed my diet and reversed then cured my type 2. 4 years ago all there was was Bernsteins book... then dtd was similar to what i did. My wt loss cured my hypertension too. And yea i still eT some sugar but not a lot.

I fixed my diet and reversed then cured my type 2. 4 years ago all there was was Bernsteins book... then dtd was similar to what i did. My wt loss cured my hypertension too. And yea i still eT some sugar but not a lot.
#88 | Posted by reitze at 2012-02-04 09:03 PM

I downloaded an unaired documentary television pilot where six people from across the US were flown to a desert retreat to undergo a diet treatment/day spay for three months. Watching these people go through cycles of depression and euphoria cements in my mind a very, very strong rationale defining our general behavior regarding abstaining and major dietary changes. My favorite success was this peculiar urban Black woman, a geeky optimist with the most amazing husband who we find near the end of the show is also completely blind. Anyhow, she's the happy-go-lucky one in the subject group, willing to try any of the food they are offered, keeping others upbeat as the lack of carbs becomes irritable. It was wearing on her too - and obvious what was coming, but I had no idea how bad it would be for a person so generally positive. Seeing her descend suddenly one night into such a depression that I honestly could see her contemplating suicide made such an impression regarding the likelihood of polarity dysfunction as the main culprit leading us off our diets. She was manic briefly, visibly pale, and successfully walked the distance through the frickin' sand to the closest store - which magically calmed her, and packed on guilt more than anything else. She's not a stupid person. She's not a quitter. In fact what she did was a basic survival skill. The next couple days led to a display of euphoria, the crest of the cycle. The show is candid, one 18 year old White kid is an alcoholic from Maine with type 1, he makes friends with the other recovering alcoholic, a Native American in his 60's - they both tried and quit. After that crazy night her cycles diminished - she gained control instead of being compelled to cheat afterwards. As a strong-willed, joy-filled person the only thing barring her from success in the past was her body controlling her psychological behavior. She prevented depression by eating, and I've heard this actually said by a number of people - particularly obese eating disorders. It's probable that these are psychologically protecting themselves from undergoing extreme polarity dysfunction. Sugar and fat is instant gratification, and should be incorporated as needed, but I also respect cold-turkey, and whatever else actually works for each person. The reality of physiological behavior modification through diet resulting in specific psychological outcomes ties directly with the concept of these diseases being genetically triggered and irrespective of age, weight, size or ethnicity. These are inherent and available devices of potential mischief within each of us. We need to protect these triggers and prevent any crazily modified substances from wrecking stupid as we now experience. Genetic integrity should be maintained, at minimum, and sanity always.

To end her tale the crew followed this lady home, went to her doctor (White man in his 50's, probably non-practicing Jewish since he married that meshugana) who took the tests and was amazed at her bloodwork - she was completely cured of her diabetes.

One guy, Black late 20's, had type 3 - but when he went home was diagnosed as cured of his "type 2", as the hospital had corrected while he was on hiatus. So it's entirely probable that anyone can be cured and what is passing as "medical science" is really a racket, or worse.

Because if they had made pot available the worse effects of cyclic anxiety and depression could have been diminished. Plus, neurotransmitters and receptors would be busy being repaired as the brain has an optimum opportunity to restructure as well. "Calling Doctor Kush to the emergency bong. Doctor Kush - emergency bong."

I fixed my diet and reversed then cured my type 2. 4 years ago all there was was Bernsteins book... then dtd was similar to what i did. My wt loss cured my hypertension too. And yea i still eT some sugar but not a lot.
#88 | Posted by reitze at 2012-02-04 09:03 PM

Just got his Simply Delicious Recipes book, thanks!

Also, just to clarify - GMO's are introducing genetically produced pesticides, so right off the bat this is environmental weaponization, much of it untested with life span studies. The US and Canada cut their rat labs off prematurely at 110 weeks, their genetically modified crops are forbidden in EU because they refuse to do the testing, and won't publicly release the results. So HFCS is taking advantage of a genetic mutation also being introduced. It's really ignorant to imagine that everyone is consuming the exact same diet, whereas it's more reliable to consider that everyone's diet is now subject to genetic manipulation. Thus you get otherwise healthy people getting cancer. Only 5%ish of which is known inherent genetics, the rest is introduced.

I'm certain this thread is quite unread, and particularly such over-reaching argument.

The petro-chemical industry owns the pharmaceutical which in turn manipulate the medical practice. The CEO's of chemical industry often sit on health insurance committees and are high-ranking shareholders. The unregulated chemical industry is a genocidal weaponization industry. Thanks privatization pyramid Republicans, you devious, self-serving maniac parasite. "For hates sake.."