Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Mitt Romney became the frontrunner for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination with a win Tuesday in Florida's Republican primary. Romney had 46 percent of the vote, followed by Newt Gingrich with 32, Rick Santorum 13 and Ron Paul 7. "A competitive primary does not divide us, it prepares us. And we will win," Romney said, adding later: "I stand ready to lead this party and to lead our nation."

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The election night music on MSNBC always makes me fear Gore's going to be screwed out of the presidency.

Moon Base Gingrich is now fully operational!

Hooray, let's all have a toast.....no, can't do that, mormons don't drink. Hey, let's have a cup of tea....no, mormons don't do caffeine.

...ummmm....well, let's have drink of water to celebrate.

I might git me some of them there magic underbitches.

...ummmm....well, let's have drink of water to celebrate.

The heck with that, I'm lookin' for a 14 y/o to marry in celebration!

Not called yet--but Romney with 50% of the vote and 14% reporting.

Romney should win by double figures.

This is not going to end though.

All the warriors will continue to fight on. So they've said anyway...

All the warriors will continue to fight on.

What about the candidates?

It's a war NG3--lol

Slick Willard Buys Florida! News upcoming...

Rmoney is a repeat of Citizen Cane!

William Randolph Hearst also learned you cannot buy the presidency no matter how much money you spend.

The Obama / Romney Ticket

International Banking Cartel 1

The People 0

Newtsy really needs Sanitarium to abort his campaign.

Newt's winning conservative north Florida so far:

core.talkingpointsmemo.com

That bodes poorly for Mitt in the rest of the south.

Based on county by county results Romney's winning Central and South Florida with Gingrich winning the redneck counties.

From FLORIDA with minutes away from the answer,,,,

JUST VOTED AGAIN here in Florida and I can report that MITT Will take the I-4 corridoor did my own exit polling and I can say the marrige issue was the LAST STrAW with all of us. OK BACK TO FOX NEWS NOW,,, they are the only ones down here reporting the news the right way,,,

GO MITT,,,

FLORIDA (sometimes spelled floriduh),,,

Based on county by county results Romney's winning Central and South Florida with Gingrich winning the redneck counties.

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2012-01-31 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

BULLSHIT I AM A REDNECK in Florida and we all voted for MITT ROMNEY ,,,

Newtsy really needs Sanitarium to abort his campaign.

#12 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3 AT 2012-01-31 07:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Sanitarium won't abort shit.

Gingrich winning the redneck counties.

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

hmmm....i can't decide if this is funny or not.

If you don't like Mitt Romney's positions?....just wait an election cycle....they will change!

Sanitarium won't abort shit.

#18 | Posted by somoco

that's hilarous....

That bodes poorly for Mitt in the rest of the south.

looking at the cnn county map, it's apparent in the north that places with running water and flush toilets like J'ville and Talawhatthefuckeverare going for Mitt.

North Florida is essentially South Georgia and South Alabama. Redneck country. Gingrich country.

I think Gingrich ran a stupid campaign here. Instead of focusing so much on making Romney look like a liar, a vulture capitalist and a dishonest campaigner, he should have aimed all of his fire at portraying Romney as a northeastern liberal Republican. There's plenty in Romney's background to use towards that end, and it's the most realistic fear Gingrich could cultivate.

If you don't like Mitt Romney's positions?....just wait an election cycle....they will change!

They change state by state-Rmoney: Leave No Group Unpandered.

northeastern liberal Republican. There's plenty in Romney's background to use towards that end, and it's the most realistic fear Gingrich could cultivate.

That's gonna play well in the General-which eastern liberal elitist do you want, the colored or the cultist?

Mitt WILL GO on to win the rEpublican Nomination,,, THEN the White House ,,,

I think the amount of voter turnout will end up being as important as the results of the primary. I don't think any of these candidates are really motivating their base all that much, they want to defeat Obama but aren't really sure they want to elect any of these guys.

The Republicans are really screwing this up. Gingrich and Santorum shouldnt even have a showing, they're LOSERS. This should have been a race between Huntsman, Paul, and Romney, and Romney should be last between the three, he's a Northeastern liberal. The rank and file GOP simply doesnt have the balls to make the tough decisions necessary to get this country back on track. Im throwing in the towel.

he should have aimed all of his fire at portraying Romney as a northeastern liberal Republican.

#24 | Posted by rcade

Gingrich tried. but people see him as a big fat liar.

The election night music on MSNBC always makes me fear Gore's going to be screwed out of the presidency.

#1 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2012-01-31 07:05 PM

And just how did Gore get screwed? The Supreme Court ruled. Are you a lawyer?

"he should have aimed all of his fire at portraying Romney as a northeastern liberal Republican."

If the GOP felt they could win this election they can only do so by obeying the 11th Commandment. If they veer from that blueprint they can't win. Unless something changes they are toast in 2012.

Mitt WILL GO on to win the rEpublican Nomination,,, THEN the White House ,,,

One out of two. But what are you drinking?
###

The rank and file GOP simply doesnt have the balls to make the tough decisions necessary to get this country back on track. Im throwing in the towel.

Translation: Straight Party ticket in November. Again.

#33 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3 AT 2012-01-31 08:10 PM

And dems do?

LMFAO

""Mitt WILL GO on to win the rEpublican Nomination,,, THEN the White House ,,,""

Yup, four more years of Obama. Im stoked. Words cant describe how disgusted I am with Republicans right now.

Not THE republicans or the republican PARTY, but Republicans. Way to blow it jackasses.

"The Supreme Court ruled. Are you a lawyer?"

Wow! So defensive! You'd think an election got stolen or something the way you act.

LMFAO

#34 | Posted by glasshouse

At least the Democrats are honest crooks. The Republicans take the greatest opportunity to restore sane constitutional governance to this country and blow it by turning away from the one person on the ticket who had a proven track record of erring on the side of constitutional liberty. Romney is a joke. He offers nothing except a clean, white face on the ballot.

#33 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3 AT 2012-01-31 08:10 PM

And dems do?

LMFAO

#34 | Posted by glasshouse

Yeah, Dems drink. Maybe not Harry Reid, but other Dems. What's your point?

Is there some point where this actually ends?

I didn't think so.

The rank and file GOP simply doesnt have the balls to make the tough decisions necessary to get this country back on track. Im throwing in the towel.

Try tying it around your neck instead.

...and they shy away from Herman Cain because he was the victim of an obvious smear campaign. Herman Cain is intelligent, well spoken, and immensely qualified. They tucked their tails and ran like the cowards they are. Just for that they deserve to lose in November.

Corporations are People my friend!

The Supreme Court ruled. Are you a lawyer?

#31 | Posted by glasshouse

Since when does the Supreme Court decide who the President is?

Are you an American?

american ply spewed forth...

'Way to blow it jackasses"

now to mutate a bit - it was blown the last cycle with the Forrestal burner and the moose hunter....just as good of a blow as Monica did a decade ago...

keep putting up clowns and the circus will continue - but who gives a fuck anyways both parties are not working for you.

Try tying it around your neck instead.

#40 | Posted by Dr_Icepick

I'm in the middle of a rant dickless. Save your cries for attention until after the diatribe.

** two decades ago *** sheesh I am an old fart these daze...

Newt's my man when the primaries happen here!

I've said all along .. for months .. Romney will be the nominee and go down in defeat like McCain.

He may even do worse than McCain did in 2008. Wouldn't surprise me if the House flipped back.

#45 LOL!

Ditto FF #45

"The election night music on MSNBC always makes me fear Gore's going to be screwed out of the presidency.
#1 | Posted by rcade"

I remember that night the way old people describe remembering where they were when JFK was assassinated.

now to mutate a bit - it was blown the last cycle with the Forrestal burner and the moose hunter....just as good of a blow as Monica did a decade ago...

keep putting up clowns and the circus will continue - but who gives a fuck anyways both parties are not working for you.

#44 | Posted by mutant

Im beginning to think you're right. I always considered the 2010 fracas to be an angry electorate tripping over itself in frustration. Now, I think it was just another in a long series of bungling on the part of people who know theres a problem and no balls to fix it.

#36 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2012-01-31 08:12 PM

Just asking a question.


Newt's my man when the primaries happen here!

I've said all along .. for months .. Romney will be the nominee and go down in defeat like McCain.

He may even do worse than McCain did in 2008. Wouldn't surprise me if the House flipped back.

#47 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

As an Obama supporter, if you are convinced that Romney would lose, wouldn't you rather see him win the primary?

#43 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2012-01-31 08:20 PM

Their decision was not who was to be President.

I know you libs wanted Gore to win the election.

BTW, how many of you bought some of his "carbon credits"?

Here's one of many questions Romney will face;

"Governor Romney, your kids have a $100,000,000 trust fund. What about ours?"

Romney epitomizes and personifies the economic divide in America and the difference in priorities between the Republican Party and Democrats better than any Republican could have this year.

"Governor Romney, your kids have a $100,000,000 trust fund. What about ours?"

#56 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2012-01-31 08:30 PM

Oh, so you want some of his money, GO FUCKING EARN IT LOSER.

As an Obama supporter, if you are convinced that Romney would lose, wouldn't you rather see him win the primary?

#53 | Posted by JeffJ

He or Gingrich would lose.

IMO John Huntsman was the best shot the GOP had this cycle. The base of the GOP are too far to the right to vote for him. Independents win or lose elections these days. The further right the GOP go the more independents they'll lose.

"What about ours?"

#56 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2012-01-31 08:30 PM

That statement just about says it all for you and your kind.

How fucking pathetic

right on AP - there are those in gov. that want to fix it but the establishment will not allow for such nonsense - both parties apply. Constant turmoil will keep enough confusion present to keep the status quo - funnelling more influence, power, $$ to the actual folks in charge of the world - It's alot like what I call "sports conditioning", and it starts at an early age - two sides against each other with the goal to win at all costs - win what I say?

wars for resources? who the fuck knows?

....and who gives a fuck anyways - the white zone is for loading and loading only . If you have to load please go to the white zone. You'll love it. It's a way of life.

#59 | Posted by glasshouse

Glasshouse,

Romney's problem is the perception is (rightly) he doesn't understand average Americans.

He was born to the CEO of American Motors and later Governor of Michigan who opened doors for him at Harvard and in life. How Mitt made his money is the elephant in the room. His kids have a $100,000,000 trust fund.

Tell us how Joe Sixpack and his wife are going to relate to him?

AU,

Agreed regarding Huntsman.

Of this lot he was my first choice. I think he would have made a good president.

I think Romney could win, and I don't think Gingrich would stand a chance.

Romney's problem is the perception is (rightly) he doesn't understand average Americans.

And Obama does?

Neither he nor 92% of his cabinet have ever worked in the private sector.

At least Romney spent 25 years in business.

#36 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2012-01-31 08:12 PM

hey, I supported you on the prison privatization issue. Cut me some slack.

wow its all clear to me now...

mitt romney makes me realize that one could actually save the welfare money, work real hard, move out of the ghetto, get a reliable car, go to college, get a good job, have some babies, and become a millionare in about three weeks after your rich dad lends a hand.

just a slight gentle nudge is all it would take - what an inspiration for these troubled times!

Romney comes off like an animatron of a businessman at Disneyworld

President Rmoney has shown he has some stank on his fastball by beating down Gnewt Freelove.

I think he has the right chemo to rid the country of the cancer that is Obama.

I bet Anne Romney has felt pride in this country her entire life, it's time to send that sick animal Michelle back to Chicago.

And obummer comes off like a failed community organizer playing president, and not very well.

At least Romney spent 25 years in business.

#63 | Posted by JeffJ

So did Al Capone

Sad state of affairs....the Repubs in Florida elect a primary candidate who is probably an even worse prospect than the rube that occupies the office now... at this point, the nation has very, very dim prospects for the next election and four years...!!!

#69 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Please point out for me one illegal or unethical act committed by Romney when he was in the private sector.

So did Al Capone

#69 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2012-01-31 08:46 PM

Not really.

Nice try though

BREAKING: Bain Capital to acquire Restore Our Future

How long was Bernie Madoff in business?


How long was Bernie Madoff in business?

#74 | Posted by Whatsleft

What is with you lefties and your absurd comparisons?

BREAKING: Ameriturdeunich is a fucking retard.

To bad michelle surrendered her license.

What Bernie Madoff did is exactly what our government did when it passed Social Security. The only difference is, Madoff didn't force anyone to pay into his scheme.

Wow, you people still care about Romney? : )

At this point, I'm in a similar place to where I was just before NH. Then it was: Who will drop out first? Now it's: Who will Romney decide on for running mate? (I still have hope that someone more interesting will get the nom, but I don't have much hope. The system favors a member of the machine, right?)

The Paultards must be choking on their arugla about now.

Please point out for me one illegal or unethical act committed by Romney when he was in the private sector.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ

Buying a company, borrowing hundreds of millions of dollars - which were paid to Bain investors - then bankrupting the company. Many, many times over. That is unethical.

They weren't banking on the success of companies. They were banking on being able to borrow money against those company's assets so they could walk away with, for instance, over $200,000,000 in loans made against one Florida company they bought for $30,000,000. Thousands of people lost their jobs when it went bankrupt.

That may be legal, but it sure is unethical.

#43 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2012-01-31 08:20 PM

Their decision was not who was to be President.

#54 | Posted by glasshouse

Riiiiiight! Sure!

The Supremes knew exactly what was at stake.

Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000), is the landmark United States Supreme Court decision that effectively resolved the 2000 presidential election in favor of George W. Bush.

In a per curiam decision, the Court ruled that the Florida Supreme Court's method for recounting ballots was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court also ruled that no alternative method could be established within the time limits set by the State of Florida.

The decision allowed Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris's previous certification of George W. Bush as the winner of Florida's 25 electoral votes to stand.

The US Supreme Court decided the 2000 Presidential Election.

Romney wins Florida.

This means Gingrich is now down -- but is he really out?

We'll see. Stay tuned.

IMO John Huntsman was the best shot the GOP had this cycle. The base of the GOP are too far to the right to vote for him. Independents win or lose elections these days. The further right the GOP go the more independents they'll lose.

#58 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Ron Paul would make for a some very interesting debates.

#82 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2012-01-31 08:53 PM

Did you buy any of big al gore's carbon credits?

What a fucking scam.

#81 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

77% of the companies that they invested in were still in operation 8 years later.

Buying a company, borrowing hundreds of millions of dollars - which were paid to Bain investors - then bankrupting the company. Many, many times over. That is unethical.

Or, they invested in the company, decided that its business model was unfixable, and then bankrupted it, which would have happened anyways with our without Bain's involvement.

He who spends the most wins.

I know you libs wanted Gore to win the election.

BTW, how many of you bought some of his "carbon credits"?

#55 | Posted by glasshouse at 2012-01-31 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

No carbon credits here, but you guys did get your Iraq war you sooo wanted....and only 4000+ dead soldiers just so you could clean out the treasury in favor of war profiteers. Good for you.

This means Gingrich is now down -- but is he really out?

We'll see. Stay tuned.

#83 | Posted by CalifChris

The NOOT is gonna drag the party into the crapper with him.

The whole Republican Party has turned into a bunch of crabs in the bucket.

None will escape as The Noot drags em all down into the crapper with him.

The question is now...will my lifetime supply of Costco popcorn last till November?

They weren't banking on the success of companies. They were banking on being able to borrow money against those company's assets so they could walk away with, for instance, over $200,000,000 in loans made against one Florida company they bought for $30,000,000. Thousands of people lost their jobs when it went bankrupt.
That may be legal, but it sure is unethical.

#81 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2012-01-31 08:53 PM

A company that was worth 30m had THOUSANDS of employees?

I doubt it.

Did you buy any of big al gore's carbon credits?

What a fucking scam.

#85 | Posted by glasshouse

Remember When Cap and Trade Was a GOP Idea?

#88 | POSTED BY COMMONSENSE AT 2012-01-31 08:58 PM

Who are "you guys"?

The last time I voted republican was for Reagan.

You know, I'm not opposed to voting for Romney.

Obama better get his act together and convince everyone why they should vote for him.

Remember When Cap and Trade Was a GOP Idea?

#91 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2012-01-31 09:02 PM

But the realized it was crap. Now the dems love it 20 years later.

Or, they invested in the company, decided that its business model was unfixable, and then bankrupted it, which would have happened anyways with our witho.ut Bain's involvement.

#86 | Posted by JeffJ

No. "Investors" would have bought the company and nurtured its growth. Bain wasn't the only investor in Staples ($8 an hour jobs). Companies where they owned them 100% routinely were heavenly borrowed against to pay the Bain investment team and laden with so much debt they went bankrupt. Loans and outrageous 'management fees' they charged companies they bought weren't beneficial to the companies at all.

We haven't even gotten into outsourcing yet ...

Sorry, Jeff, Romney is a very bad choice for GOP nominee this year in these times.

Sorry, Jeff, Romney is a very bad choice for GOP nominee this year in these times.

I don't disagree with you on this. But his time at Bain is a selling point, not a detriment.

No. "Investors" would have bought the company and nurtured its growth.

One of the companies was selling a product that is about as out of date as buggy whips. "Investors" don't sling their money around wily nily. If they think the risk is too great, they look to invest elsewhere.

#81 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2012-01-31 08:53 PM

A company that was worth 30m had THOUSANDS of employees?

I doubt it.

#90 | Posted by glasshouse

Check out Dade International. 850 gone there.

Over 7000 jobs lost in South Florida alone due to Bain's deals like Dade Intl.

But the realized it was crap. Now the dems love it 20 years later.

#94 | Posted by glasshouse

Democrats don't love it but 70-80% do support cap and trade as a way to reduce greenhouse gases. Democrats do support key climate policy goalsâ€"lower emissions, clean energy, less dependence on foreign energy.

What is the Republican Plan to lower emissions get cleaner energy and less dependence on foreign energy sources?

wait... let me guess.

1. Lower taxes on the wealthy
2. Repeal Obamacare
3. Allow more tax subsidies for Big Oil

am I close?

The Republicans take the greatest opportunity to restore sane constitutional governance to this country and blow it by turning away from the one person on the ticket who had a proven track record of erring on the side of constitutional liberty.

Assuming the GOP was in the least bit interested in doing anything more than whoring America out to the corporationists.

It's hard to find anything ethical about making millions of dollars by putting thousands of people out of work.

The election night music on MSNBC always makes me fear Gore's going to be screwed out of the presidency.

#1 | Posted by rcade

You cant get screwed out of what you never won. But then again, you already know that and yet you Libs still say stupid shit.

You cant get screwed out of what you never won. But then again, you already know that and yet you Libs still say stupid shit.

#101 | Posted by sickoflibs

How do YOU know who won? All of the votes were never counted.

The Supreme Court decided FOR YOU.

As an American you should be pissed.

Please point out for me one illegal or unethical act committed by Romney when he was in the private sector.

Looting a company's pension plan and then stuck the taxpayer with the costs count, JeffJ?

#97 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Goddamn, you are one braindamaged mutt. How do you tie your slippers in the morning?

You are a pathetically laughable left wing talking point Col. Eunich, crawl back under what ever slimy rock you came from.

Looting a company's pension plan and then stuck the taxpayer with the costs count, JeffJ?

#103 | Posted by northguy3

no...thats the American Way.

think of another

romney is/would be as unethical as most of the clowns in DC - ever eat Dominoes Pizza?

articles.boston.com

"Meanwhile, the quality of the pizza itself had become a big problem. In 2009, near the end of Bain’s involvement, the company had to overhaul its core product, after Domino’s pizza ranked last among its competitors in taste."

Now the GOP is going to run the Magic Underpants fellow as their Presidential candidate -- the one who puts the Morman Church's missionary work first and foremost ahead of he and his 5 sons ever serving their country in the military.

The same fellow who touts enjoying firing people -- albeit in reference to an insurance company he dismissed -- but still one who scolded a crowd protesting against the banks by telling them "corporations are people, my friend." Oh really, Mitt? Corporations have a heart and soul? They hurt and have feelings just like regular human beings?

Hmm, now which other (former) Republican candidate used to call everyone "my friend"? Oh that's right, John McCain. And we all know how well he did against Obama.

Mitt Romney.
The Republican version of Hope and Change.

It's hard to find anything ethical about making millions of dollars by putting thousands of people out of work.

Businesses go belly up all of the time for a variety of reasons.

If you can provide proof of one company that went belly-up because of Bain (during Romney's time there) that would have prospered without Bain's involvement, then I will cede your point on this.

I remember that night the way old people describe remembering where they were when JFK was assassinated.

#50 | Posted by mOntecOre

Grade 5. Wore a gray coat with a hood. I could probably still stand within a yard of where we stood and talked about it at recess.

And by the way, Get the hell of my lawn, punk.

#104 | Posted by RexZeitgeist

Has nothing of value to add to the discussion, so he's just going to piss all over everyone he disagrees with.

Speaking of Magic Underwear....I can't wait till we start actually talking about the History of the Mormon Church.

Newt is moot.

Vote for me, Mitt Romney for president because:

I like to fire people!

---I am Mitt Romney and I approved of this message

Businesses go belly up all of the time for a variety of reasons.

you mean like Solyndra?

#111 | Posted by Twatscleft

I can always take a shit on you.

If you can provide proof of one company that went belly-up because of Bain (during Romney's time there) that would have prospered without Bain's involvement, then I will cede your point on this.

It doesn't matter. If your looking for a president that will put more Americans to work, you probably shouldn't be looking at a guy that favors downsizing towards profitability, as a model for job creation. It's the basic model the Republicans have used for 30 years. Look where it's gotten us.

you mean like Solyndra?

#115 | Posted by donnerboy

Bad example. Solyndra was given taxpayer money, not private investment money (it had some of that too).

This is precisely why government should stay out of the economy, they are terrible stewards of capital because they aren't assuming any risk for the crony capitalist ventures.

#116 | Posted by RexZeitgeist

All you're doing is breaking wind and stinking up the joint.

It doesn't matter. If your looking for a president that will put more Americans to work, you probably shouldn't be looking at a guy that favors downsizing towards profitability, as a model for job creation. It's the basic model the Republicans have used for 30 years. Look where it's gotten us.

#117 | Posted by Whatsleft

Streamlining and consolidation all add to efficiency.

We have a president who has never worked in the private sector. 92% of his cabinet has never worked in the private sector either. You think these clowns are going to get our economy on track? Hell, Obama laments ATM machines because they cost bank teller jobs.

So, Obama 2012?

Sounds like it.

Whatsleft,

The conditions that lead to our post-WW2 boom no longer exist.

We removed 5 million prime aged workers from the workforce (died overseas) and were the only country in the world that could manufacture anything of substance as carnage decimated the manufacturing capacities overseas.

Strong demand for our products coupled with strong demand for our workers lead to such high wages for unskilled work.

Blame our malaise on the GOP all you want, but we can't recreate the circumstances that lead to our manufacturing boom.

Whatsleft,

The conditions that lead to our post-WW2 boom no longer exist.

We removed 5 million prime aged workers from the workforce (died overseas) and were the only country in the world that could manufacture anything of substance as carnage decimated the manufacturing capacities overseas.

Strong demand for our products coupled with strong demand for our workers lead to such high wages for unskilled work.

Blame our malaise on the GOP all you want, but we can't recreate the circumstances that lead to our manufacturing boom.

Bad example. Solyndra was given taxpayer money, not private investment money (it had some of that too).

actually it is a good example.

The company did not go bankrupt because of government investment. It went bankrupt in spite of it. The company apparently was based on a bad business model.

Obama's mistake was pushing the loan through too fast.

116 - isn't a twat already clefted?

I like to fire people!

Me too!

The Donald

"So, Obama 2012? Sounds like it."

It would be a challenge, but Nader can still fuck it up.

JeffJ, if you're really opposed to government subsidies in the private sector, you better vote for Ron Paul, not Rmoney:

GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney is under fire after news reports surfaced showing that his company, Bain Capital, benefited from multiple federal bailouts amounting to well over $50 million. The top-tier Republican candidate has flip-flopped on the issue of whether or not taxpayers should be forced to bail out private firms, but critics have seized on his controversial work at Bain to attack his candidacy from all angles.

The scandal over Romney’s federal bailouts first surged to prominence after a former strategist for the late Sen. Ted Kennedy publicly released an unaired campaign ad â€" made nearly a decade ago when Romney was running for the Massachusetts Senate seat â€" exposing a $10-million federal bailout of Bain & Co. while Romney was at the helm. The attack ad, citing a 1994 report in the Boston Globe, noted that Romney worked with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) to bamboozle the American people out of money under the guise of “debt forgiveness.”

“Mitt Romney says he saved Bain & Company, but he didn’t tell you that on the day he took over, he had his predecessor fire hundreds of employees, or that the way the company was rescued was with a federal bailout of $10 million,” notes the narrator in Sen. Kennedy’s unreleased ad as pictures of newspaper articles fill the screen. “He and others made $4 million in this deal which cost ordinary people $10 million.”

As if that was not bad enough for one of the GOP front-runners, Reuters recently reported that a steel company taken over by Bain Capital went bankrupt and received another big handout from the government. After the Missouri mill’s approximately 750 employees were fired, a federal insurance agency had to bail out its underfunded pension plan to the tune of almost $45 million. But Bain still made millions in profits on the deal.

“His supporters say the pension gap at the Kansas City mill was an unforeseen consequence of a falling stock market and adverse market conditions,” Reuters reported in the article entitled “Romney's steel skeleton in the Bain closet,” published on January 6. “But records show that the mill's Bain-backed management was confronted several times about the fund's shortfall, which, in the end, required an infusion of funds from the federal Pension Benefits Guarantee Corp.”

And the criticism is growing quickly. "Put it all together and even Barack Obama is to Mitt’s right on bailouts," wrote conservative commentator John Hawkins in a piece calling Romney the “Bailout King” of American politics. "Is this what conservatives will have to defend in 2012 in the name of 'capitalism' because Mitt Romney’s the nominee?"

“In the general election I’ll be pointing out that the president took the reins at General Motors and Chrysler â€" closed factories, closed dealerships, laid off thousands and thousands of workers â€" he did it to try to save the business,” Romney said in a recent interview on CBS, prompting outrage among conservatives and ridicule from the Left. Even more astounding: A spokesman for the Romney campaign told the New York Times recently that the GOP contender had been advocating the Obama plan all along.

thenewamerican.com

Jeff,

The economy is going swimmingly for those you like to call the job creators. If there was an economic downturn, their wallets never saw it. They are making more money than they ever have, yet you want to give them even further breaks. When exactly are the job creators going have more concern for the welfare of the America that's enabled their success? When exactly are they going to start creating American jobs?

Even conservatives think Rmoney is a sleazeball.

"Is that legal? Yes. Since Mitt’s goal was to make a profit and this was legal, did it make sense for Bain to take the money. Yes. Is it admirable? No. Is it moral? No. Is it something that the people who were stuck with the bill should resent? Yes.

Moreover, not only did Mitt support TARP, he has admitted during the debates that he’s open to EVEN MORE bailouts. Put it all together and even Barack Obama is to Mitt’s right on bailouts.

Does it really make sense to have someone like this as the GOP nominee? Isn’t this exactly the sort of capitalism on the way up and socialism on the way down mentality a big part of the reason why the Tea Party was formed? Isn’t it the primary reason that the American people aren’t booing the Occupy hand-out hippies off the planet? Is this what conservatives will have to defend in 2012 in the name of “capitalism” because Mitt Romney’s the nominee? "

rightwingnews.com

Speaking of Magic Underwear....I can't wait till we start actually talking about the History of the Mormon Church.

#112 | Posted by donnerboy


And the public would have every right to question Romney as to just how much influence the teachings of the Morman Church would have over his policies should he become President.

When John F. Kennedy ran for President, many voters were concerned he might take his marching orders from the Pope and the Vatican. Kennedy took the bull by the horns and decided to address the issue publicly stating that the teachings of the Catholic Church would never take priority over the U.S. Constitution in any decisions he would make as President.

I'm very interested in seeing if Romney will do the same. I don't begrudge him having religious beliefs in general, but I know for sure the Catholic Church would never view it as favorable for one to serve the Church in some missionary capacity solely to get out of military service as Romney and all his five sons did for the Morman Church.

And if this linked article below doesn't scare you about where a vote for Romney as President might lead - it should.

Worth the read.

"Why Mitt's Mormonism Should Be Of Great Concern To American Voters"

RCade -- you see comment #211 on the Nooner? gracieamazed says she's thinking about taking her life . . .

104 | Posted by RexZeitgeist

Has nothing of value to add to the discussion, so he's just going to piss all over everyone he disagrees with.

#111 | Posted by Whatsleft

Make that "Tries to piss all over everyone"

Rejex is just dribbling on his slippers.

Cali-you've got to stop linking to those conservative sites. You know conservatives are all in the bag for Obama.

Okay, give me a minute to ponder that......

They are making more money than they ever have, yet you want to give them even further breaks.

I don't want to give them further 'breaks'. What I want is what Simpson-Bowles suggested and what the GOP passed in the house: Eliminate all but a couple of generous deductions (I'll add can't deduct below $10) targetted toward the bottom and lower the rates accross the board: 10% up to $100k and 25% above 100k.

When exactly are the job creators going have more concern for the welfare of the America that's enabled their success? When exactly are they going to start creating American jobs?

They are going to invest their money into the economy thus creating jobs when they have certainty. This administration is hostile toward business (except those businesses its in bed with) and has ramped up its regulatory arm big time. Full implementation of Obamacare will yield all sorts of compliance costs, many of which aren't even known yet.

You can't demonize job creators daily with hostile rhetoric and create a burdensome business envirornment and then expect job creators to just part with their hard-earned money because you feel they should.

Neither he nor 92% of his cabinet have ever worked in the private sector.

Reagan never worked in the private sector, neither did Herbie. Clinton didn't either.

Or Ike. Dubya did. Hell, you guys even cheered him as your "MBA President". Like Rmoney, he had great experience bankrupting companies.

What's your point JeffJ? Other than you're going to vote Republican, as usual.

RCade -- you see comment #211 on the Nooner? gracieamazed says she's thinking about taking her life . . .

#132 | Posted by rhinomaximus

oh dear...was it Romney or was 101chairpoodles at it again?

My point is that not even any of Obama's staff have any experience in the private sector (a whoppping 8%).

Reagan never worked in the private sector?

I didn't realize Hollywood was either a government entity, academia or non-profit.

That bodes poorly for Mitt in the rest of the south.

#13 | Posted by rcade

That's why Newt is going to continue. He will win (should) the south.

CNN John King did a hypothetical run of delegates by the month--it's hypothetical--but it went to June before Mitt won the needed 1144.

Newt is missing organization and money.

Mitt has both.

I really liked Mitt's speech tonight. He should talk like that all the time or more.

He complimented the other candidates and then bashed Obama.

'Obama can't lead, he's been following and now it's time for him to get out of the way!' (Paraphrase)

lol

Love that...

''My point is that not even any of Obama's staff have any experience in the private sector (a whoppping 8%).''

There are more that haven't paid their taxes.

131 | Posted by CalifChris

Romney already gave that speech back in 2007/2008.

It's a non-starter--except for those on the left and those who are super religious. The super religious will vote for Mitt though--they can't stand Obama.

It would be a challenge, but Nader can still fuck it up.

#127 | Posted by REDIAL

Fingers crossed X ;o)

I saw him on c-span and he may run on some 3rd party ticket--or endorse some 3rd party ticket.

You can't demonize job creators daily with hostile rhetoric and create a burdensome business envirornment and then expect job creators to just part with their hard-earned money because you feel they should.

#135 | Posted by JeffJ at 2012

Your cart is well before the horse. If "job creators" were actually out there creating jobs they'd be heroes at the moment. The hostile rhetoric became common AFTER they decided to sit on their money.

"Hard-earned money"? Well, sure. I imagine (and hope) that most of them worked hard for it. This is not to include Willard Romney, of course.

The born on third base but says he it a triple thing is overworked, but applies in Willard's case.

Remember When Cap and Trade Was a GOP Idea?

#91 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2012-01-31 09:02 PM

Remember when "exit strategy" was a GOP idea? That was pre-2003. Now it's 100 years or more!

How do YOU know who won? All of the votes were never counted.

The Supreme Court decided FOR YOU.

As an American you should be pissed.

#102 | Posted by donnerboy

Not so--they counted the ballots 3 times and every time it was Bush the winner.

Reagan never worked in the private sector?

I didn't realize Hollywood was either a government entity, academia or non-profit.

Pretending to be somebody else and hanging out with a chimp hardly qualifies as managerial. It has less responsibility than a newspaper route. You might want to go back and check on that 92%. I bet some of them delivered papers, had summer jobs or worked part time while in college. Assuming Reagan is a private sector success to you.

What I want is what Simpson-Bowles suggested

I would settle for what Simpson-Bowles suggested...across the board.

They are going to invest their money into the economy thus creating jobs when they have certainty.

In that case, outside of a few bubbles they haven't felt much certainty for decades. And, if that's true, Obama has had little to do with it. They have no need for certainty. They're already making more money then they ever have, without creating American jobs. Certainty is only a talking point. They're not going to create American Jobs as long as it's profitable not to.

You can't demonize job creators daily with hostile rhetoric and create a burdensome business envirornment and then expect job creators to just part with their hard-earned money because you feel they should.

I don't really believe that this business environment is much more burdensome then it was 10 years ago. The job creators shouldn't expect to be able to sit on the thrones that are their wallets, engulfed in their imagined benevolence, unless they are actually providing living-wage jobs. At this point, they deserve to be demonized.

Pretending to be somebody else and hanging out with a chimp hardly qualifies as managerial.

First off, it's still private sector. Secondly, he lead the actors union.

Lastly, he was governor of California. While that is not private sector work it is a hell of a lot more in the way of executive than anything Obama had done prior to becoming prez.

but I know for sure the Catholic Church would never view it as favorable for one to serve the Church in some missionary capacity solely to get out of military service as Romney and all his five sons did for the Morman Church.

131 | Posted by CalifChris

Yes, and all of Willard's sons publically supported the Iraq war, while studiously finding other things to do.

Willard's draft dodging strategy. Absolutely brilliant. My hat's sincerely off to him. Avoided Nam and bicycled through France instead.

Now, if you look closely you'll see that Willard's missionary travels in France provide him with the same general advantage as parking his millions in the Caymans.

Both the LDS and those Cayman banks allowed him to utterly skate by both war and taxes, two common life experiences that a lot of common people who weren't fortunate enough to have George Romney as a dad often find themselves unable to escape from.

Willard Romney is a banana that someone's attempting to carve into a man. I don't think this is going to work. But if it does we have a new President that virtually the entire electorate, Right and Left, sees as being a loser.

Worth the read.

"Why Mitt's Mormonism Should Be Of Great Concern To American Voters"

#131 | Posted by CalifChris

Just to challenge the comment.

Does this apply to Harry Reid or Orrin Hatch? They are Mormons. Is Harry lead around the nose by the Mormon Church?

How about these folks??

Other Latter-day Saint senators include:

• Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, elected in 1998.

• Newly elected Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah.

• Sen. Tom Udall, D-New Mexico, elected in 2008.

LDS members of the U.S. House

Latter-day Saints serving in the U.S. House of Representatives include:

• Rep. Rob Bishop, R-Utah, elected in 2002.

• Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, elected in 2008.

• Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., elected in 2000.

• Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nevada, elected in 2006.

• Rep. Wally Herger, R-Calif., elected in 1986.

• Newly elected Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho.

• Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah, elected in 2000.

• Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif., elected in 1992.

• Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, elected in 1998.

Did this bother you about Jon Huntsman? He's Mormon.

One thing folks can't argue with is that Romney is pro-military and national security.

Certainty is only a talking point.

Really? Tell that to all of the investors who are sitting on their money.

They're not going to create American Jobs as long as it's profitable not to.

It's not that it's profitable to not invest in business and create jobs as a result; it's that the economic policies of this administration have screwed up the risk/reward ratio to a point where these people are not about to risk their hard-earned capital when the potential reward is so muddied.

I don't really believe that this business environment is much more burdensome then it was 10 years ago. The job creators shouldn't expect to be able to sit on the thrones that are their wallets, engulfed in their imagined benevolence, unless they are actually providing living-wage jobs. At this point, they deserve to be demonized.

They have no responsibility or obligation to provide living wage jobs (sic). You want job creation? Create a business-friendly environment and get out of the way. Investment will begin to churn again and jobs will be created. It isn't going to happen any other way.

they deserve to be demonized

No, it's this administration that deserves to be demonized.

Not so--they counted the ballots 3 times and every time it was Bush the winner.

#145 | Posted by MURPHY

Not so--all the ballots were not counted. Doesn't matter how many times they were counted anyway. The Supreme Court halted the recount.

And

In a per curiam decision, the Court ruled that the Florida Supreme Court's method for recounting ballots was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Court also ruled that no alternative method could be established within the time limits set by the State of Florida. Three concurring justices also asserted that the Florida Supreme Court had violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the Constitution, by misinterpreting Florida election law that had been enacted by the Florida Legislature.

So the recount wasn't even Constitutional.

The Supreme Court decided Bush would be President.

''The unintended consequences of the minimum wage

"The real minimum wage is zero: unemployment." -- Thomas Sowell

The minimum wage is one of the most persistent and pernicious economic policies, probably only surpassed in ineptitude by rent controls and farm subsidies.

Economists have recognized for decades that minimum wage laws result primarily in increased unemployment among the most vulnerable sectors of society, specially poor unskilled teenagers of racial minorities.

The amount of evidence to back this is huge, but still people refuses to accept that just because it sounds like a good idea to magically give poor workers a raise it doesn't mean that it actually works this way.

Ironically the main groups that consistently lobby to raise the minimum wage are unions of skilled workers that already earn much more than the minimum wage, and big business in the retail market who offer salaries slightly above the minimum wage.

This unholy union of unions and big business can be explained if one looks at the real consequences of raising the minimum wage: unskilled workers that might be able to compete with unionized workers thanks to their lower salary are put out of work safewarding the jobs of the well off unionized workers. At the same time small retail business that have very small margins are driven into bankruptcy by big corporations that take advantage of economies of scale and can afford to pay their workers salaries slightly above the minimum wage.''

harmful.cat-v.org

One thing folks can't argue with is that Romney is pro-military and national security.

Posted by MURPHY at 2012-01-31 10:40 PM

But not pro-military enough to put his own ass on the line when called upon to serve, nor those of his five sons.

#152 | Posted by donnerboy

No the voters of Florida voted for Bush over Gore with a margin of 357 votes.

Gore couldn't even win his own state of TN.

I voted for Gore.

Then I watched him piss on the military and their votes.

Then I watched those idiots in the Dem counties try to change the 'intent of the votes' with pregnant chads and dimpled chads-

That was not in the laws--that was the Dems trying to steal an election with manure teeny tiny pieces of paper.

They pulled apart the chad holder from one of the machines and it was packed with chads. The machine had not been cleaned out for decades.

Then the idiot Dem who invented the "Butterfly Ballot" that confused the old folks in Dade County.

Why a Butterfly Ballot?

Because it looked pretty of course.

You can't change the method of how to count votes AFTER the voting has ceased.

That is why the SCOTUS ruled the way they did--it was against the 14th amendment to now count dimpled and pregnant chads.

But not pro-military enough to put his own ass on the line when called upon to serve, nor those of his five sons.

#154 | Posted by CalifChris

So what. Neither did Obama, neither did a whole slew of politicians.

You want a military guy so bad--you voted for Obama over McCain--right?

wtf is Mitt's campaign slogan these days?

"more jobs, better jobs" - on his website.

"keep america american" - whoops too much like the KKK of old.

""one term, one million dollars" - get Osama out of here.

"my dad was rich , therefore I am too" made that one up.,

"mitt, rymes with Kitt, the most awesome crimefightin car"

"You too can be a millionare" wasn't that a gameshow slogan?

"who wouldn't want a couple of wives to fit the proper occasion"

"More blow jobs, better blowjobs"

"hope for more change - and make the whitehouse white again"

#152 | Posted by donnerboy

No the voters of Florida voted for Bush over Gore with a margin of 357 votes.

Murphy got any proof of that?

The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, sponsored by a consortium of major U.S. news organizations, conducted a comprehensive review of all ballots uncounted (by machine) in the Florida 2000 presidential election, both undervotes and overvotes, with the main research aim being to report how different ballot layouts correlate with voter mistakes.

The media reported the results of the study during the week after November 12, 2001. The results of the study showed that had the limited county by county recounts requested by the Gore team been completed, Bush would still have been the winner of the election. However, the study also showed that the result of a statewide recount of all disputed ballots could have been different. The study was unable to review the ballots in Broward and Volusia that were counted as legal votes during the manual recounts thus analysis included those figures that were obtained using very loose standards in its calculations. Since these recounts resulted in a sizable net gain for Gore (665 net Gore votes) they have no bearing on the assessment that Bush would likely have won the recounts requested by Gore and ordered by the Florida Supreme Court. They do however play a major role in the assessment that Gore could have won a recount of the entire state if overvotes were taken into account.

en.wikipedia.org

Basically, if ALL the votes were recounted Gore would have won.

But, the Supreme Court decided otherwise.

Willard Romney is a banana

#149 | Posted by Zed at 2012-01-31 10:35 PM

Well, there you have it.

Gore would have won.

#158 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-31 11:08 PM

^^^ Still vag-hurt over a decade later.

On topic, Romney's pathetic.

Get ready for 4 more years of saying President Obama.

Jon Stewart just put Romney in the dumpster. He has no chance once the stories of Bain become more well known.

Donner--IF OVERVOTES WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT--THEN Gore would --maybe--likely--might have won?

You do realize that overvotes are thrown out--because there are two or more holes punched in the ballot.

Again you are trying to change th rules of how to count votes by implying you know the INTENT of the voter when there are two holes punched out. That is against the 14th amendment and that was not in the rules and laws of Florida when the vote took place.

Butterfly ballot chaos.

People who don't ask for another ballot when they punched two holes.

Running flawed ballots through the machine three time will dislodge chads too.

They showed that on tv and you could see the chads flying through the air when they ran the ballots through the counter.

How do you know the overvotes were for the other candidate and not Gore?

I correct the number--it was 537 certified. The butterfly ballot was in Palm Beach County.

Really? Tell that to all of the investors who are sitting on their money.

Perhaps they aren't sitting on it. Perhaps they simply aren't investing it here.

It's not that it's profitable to not invest in business and create jobs as a result; it's that the economic policies of this administration have screwed up the risk/reward ratio to a point where these people are not about to risk their hard-earned capital when the potential reward is so muddied.

Policies of the last thirty years have made it MORE profitable to invest in cheap labor, elsewhere. "Hard-earned" is certainly a matter of opinion. But, the reward of having enough to invest construction of factories, where ever labor is cheapest, is evident.

They have no responsibility or obligation to provide living wage jobs (sic).

America has no obligation to continue reward their lack of concern for America. They are already paying some of the lowest taxes of the last century. We've been told over and over, lower the taxes for the job creators and they will create jobs. Little did we know, it just wouldn't be American jobs.

It isn't going to happen any other way.

If we keep with Republican philosophy, we're not going to have any meaningful recovery...ever.

No, it's this administration that deserves to be demonized.

#151 | Posted by JeffJ

Well, nobody can say that you haven't done your part of THAT since before this administration took office.

Good night Jeff. I'll be paying a plumber a full days wages tomorrow, I'll be paying carpet layers and a window installer all day on Thursday. All to maintain some rental properties. Some of us actually have to get up in the morning and create jobs.

America was hurt by the Gore loss of 2000. The supreme court appointments alone will ruin justice for 200 years. Hundreds of thousands of people lost their lives because of the outcome of that election.

You want a military guy so bad--you voted for Obama over McCain--right?

#156 | Posted by MURPHY at 2012

Obama may yet avoid having a shooting war with Iran. Willard, if my ears haven't been deceiving me, is hot to trot for it.

The issue isn't really whose a "military guy". It's who grew up being the weenies who thought that earning a quarter billion is preparation for life.

Barrack Obama's origins are sufficiently "common", to use a word that I'll bet Willard employs whenever no one's around to hear, that a flip of a coin in a thousand different places would have taken him to a thousand darker places than Harvard or the WH.

I was listening to a description of Willard's life today. If he'd fucked up in business that only meant that his share of his dadday's millions would have been LARGER.

It's not what you'd call a compelling life story. Frankly, I think Willard's a bit ashamed of it, as badly as he's handled the wealth thing to date.

Willard Romney is a banana

#149 | Posted by Zed at 2012-01-31 10:35 PM

Well, there you have it.

#159 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

I've watched Willard wilt and attempt to pander to a live audience DURING A DEBATE, switching his previously expressed positions on a dime.

Banana is descriptive.

But not pro-military enough to put his own ass on the line when called upon to serve, nor those of his five sons.

#154 | Posted by CalifChris

So what. Neither did Obama, neither did a whole slew of politicians.

You want a military guy so bad--you voted for Obama over McCain--right?

#156 | Posted by MURPHY at 2012-01-31 10:58 PM


Obama came of age when military service was voluntary. Unlike Romney who avoided the draft by running off to France to serve as a missionary for the Morman Church.

From The National Memo --

...Like many hawkish politicians of his generation, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney managed to avoid serving in the Vietnam War through family connections. The young Romney could not use a student deferment from the draft -- having dropped out of Stanford University after only two semesters -- but avoided service anyway with the assistance of the Mormon elders.

The son of George Romney, then Michigan's governor, he was one of a limited number of Mormon youth chosen as missionaries -- a status that protected him from the draft between July 1966 and February 1969 as a "minister of religion or divinity student." Essentially, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints re-routed Romney from Vietnam to the south of France, where he served as missionary....


And as for voting for Obama over NeoCon toady John McCain, at least Obama wasn't running around singing Bomb,Bomb,Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran as his campaign theme song all but guaranteeing that if McCain were elected we have thousands more of our guys in the military being flown back home in coffins.

Okay, I'm calling it a night. See you all later.

It's good you are paying folks to maintain your rental properties.

Afterall, you woulnd't want to be known as a slum lord or anything.

You do make a profit and reinvest those paid rents--right?

The US has the highest corporate tax in the world.

The companies left to get a better deal.

The gov't is too big--it needs to be shrunk.

There are trillions of dollars sitting off shore and the companies can't or won't bring it back because the tax rate is 35%.

So they'll keep it over there.

Americans suffer ...

Not to mention Obama played to his eco-whacko friends and vetoed Keystone.

American jobs--20,000 --and that doesn't include the other 200,000 jobs that would have been created along the way of the pipeline.

THAT is Obama and our future if he is re-elected.

He'll kill jobs--his ideology is all he has--because it's obvious he has no brains!

Califchris---Excellent post. You served Murphy a nice cup of STFU.

#168 | Posted by CalifChris

CC it doesn't make any difference.

If you want to replace Obama with Clinton--be my guest.

Obama could have enlisted anytime he wanted to--without a draft.

And Obama isn't done yet with his droning--and Iran is on the table.

She's just not bright enough to drink it.

Oh BB--having a rough night?

Facts are---Romney ran from the draft----so did Gingrich--so did Bush

Banana is descriptive.

#167 | Posted by Zed at 2012-01-31 11:31 PM

If you say so.

Oh BB--having a rough night?

#173 | Posted by MURPHY at 2012-01-31 11:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not at all. Just being amused by CC's showing you up and your denseness in still supporting a coward and thief like Romney.

;-)

So... FLA is done.

Spud's been having a lot of fun watchnig the Freepers lose their shiat over this one.

The Head Freeper is currently banninating many long time conservative posters for daring to impugn the good name of Newt bloody Gingrich of all people.

The socially conservative teatards broke from Santorum and for the most part hypocritically slid over to Team Newt.

Even they are bright enough to know Frothy's two plank platform of "I Hate Gays and Abortion Choice" are lethal on a national level.

But to Newt Gingrich?

Wow, what a shameless, hypocritical, valueless pack of amoral wingnuts they've turned out to be.

Ron Paul looked good out there. His concession speech was a class act compared to Gingrich's whingefest and Mitt's snorefest victory speech.

Santorum looked liked he'd been awake for 3 days goofed up on speedballs. He was totally incoherent at various points there. He'll be gone by Super Tuesday if not before.

So once again... it will be Mitt and he will lose to Obama.

Now, only real question is do they go with their 2008 strategy and hang another teatard around his neck a'la Palin or do they just say fuck you to the teatards and give him a remotely reasonable VP candidate that gives him more of a chance in the general with moderates and independents at the cost of creating a huge enthusiasm gap?

That's tough call but at this point in time it's looking like they are going with their former losing stratagery "Sarahpalin 2 Electric Boogaloo".

So, likely Rubio in that scenario.

GL w/ that.

^__^

Be Well.

/Wot, you thought Spud missed it or sommat?

Basically, if ALL the votes were recounted Gore would have won.

But, the Supreme Court decided otherwise.

#158 | Posted by donnerboy

You know, its funny, but these elections have a strikingly common result, there being just enough votes for a democratic win. I still snicker when I recall that switcheroo the county clerk pulled in the Wisconsin race where the Democrat challenger would have won by a few votes, and then ended up losing by a couple thousand.

www.reuters.com

""So once again... it will be Mitt and he will lose to Obama.""

Thats a wet dream that wont play out into reality sweetheart. The country is sick of the Democrats for the time being. It's just to be seen whether the Republicans are going to replace him with someone cut from the same cloth.

The socially conservative teatards broke from Santorum and for the most part hypocritically slid over to Team Newt.

I never understood how "She turned me into a Newt!" became the anti-Romney candidate?

It goes way beyond mere social conservatives. Newt is arguably more liberal than Romney and that is really saying something. The only candidate remaining that could claim true conservative credentials was Santorum.

I like Ron Paul's views on a variety of issues and I like the fact that by pol-standards he is honest. However, his foreign policy views are beyond naive (this coming from one who thinks a vast majority of our 'Team America' policies resulted in abject failure).

Huntsman was the best qualified of this group and I firmly believe he would have been a solid president if elected. But he ran a terrible campaign and never connected in a meaningful way.

Thus it ultimately comes down to Mit or Newt. Both would be better than Obama, but Romney doesn't have nearly the baggage. I respect Newt's intellect and his historical knowledge. Having said that, he seems to come from the mindset that the machine is fine so long as he's the conductor.

The machine is broken and while he might be able to steer it a bit better than Obama, his underlying premise is truly fucked.

The machine IS the problem (out-of-control federal government).

The socially conservative teatards broke from Santorum and for the most part hypocritically slid over to Team Newt.

I never understood how "She turned me into a Newt!" became the anti-Romney candidate?

It goes way beyond mere social conservatives. Newt is arguably more liberal than Romney and that is really saying something. The only candidate remaining that could claim true conservative credentials was Santorum.

I like Ron Paul's views on a variety of issues and I like the fact that by pol-standards he is honest. However, his foreign policy views are beyond naive (this coming from one who thinks a vast majority of our 'Team America' policies resulted in abject failure).

Huntsman was the best qualified of this group and I firmly believe he would have been a solid president if elected. But he ran a terrible campaign and never connected in a meaningful way.

Thus it ultimately comes down to Mit or Newt. Both would be better than Obama, but Romney doesn't have nearly the baggage. I respect Newt's intellect and his historical knowledge. Having said that, he seems to come from the mindset that the machine is fine so long as he's the conductor.

The machine is broken and while he might be able to steer it a bit better than Obama, his underlying premise is truly fucked.

The machine IS the problem (out-of-control federal government).

Sorry for the double-posts.

My PC has been acting up of late.

Sorry for the double-posts.

My PC has been acting up of late.

""Thus it ultimately comes down to Mit or Newt. Both would be better than Obama, but Romney doesn't have nearly the baggage. I respect Newt's intellect and his historical knowledge. Having said that, he seems to come from the mindset that the machine is fine so long as he's the conductor. ""

Thats the problem. The country is pining for change and instead of electing a dynamic figure like Ron Paul or Herman Cain the Republicans are blowing it by setting up two establishment candidates.

Here's what is going to happen in the 2012 election.

The Republicans will retain the house. The Democrats may pick up a net gain of a few seats, but it will stay solidly Republican.

The Republicans will gain the Senate.

The White House will more than likely go Republican. Americans have woken up and realized things arent right, and Obama is definetely the face of "not right" at the given time because of the shit hes pulled.

So, when the new government is set, what is going to change with a tea party held house, tea party friendly senate, and establishment held WH?

Not a goddamn thing.

Romney is going to have alot of tough talk when it comes to Iran, which means defense spending is going to stay up, hes not going to rock the boat on Obama care because thats done. Taxes wont go up or down because we wont be able to afford to cut them, and hes going to toe the party line on increases so guess what? No tax reform, no decrease of the debt, and four more years of crushing deficits.

#176 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Oh --BB--trolling again...;o)

...and this is all because the meathead Republican base fumbled on the 5-yard line. You blew it fellas. Thanks alot. Have a great day, and if I dont get the opportunity, thank you in advance for the next four years.

If Romney/Newt is elected Obamacare is over.

Jeff--You should try to catch Newt's speech tonight--quite good.

Romney's was pretty good too for that matter.

Thats the problem. The country is pining for change and instead of electing a dynamic figure like Ron Paul or Herman Cain the Republicans are blowing it by setting up two establishment candidates.

Set aside Cain's questionable past with women for a moment...he displayed a degree of ignorance regarding foreign policy that would have made Sarah Palin look all-world on the subject back in 2008. Initially, I was excited about the prospect of his winning the nomination...until he was pressed on his views.

As for Ron Paul...he'd never win the general. NEVER. I don't care who he would be running against.

#189 | Posted by MURPHY

Ever hear of Romneycare?

""Romney was at the forefront of a movement to bring near-universal health insurance coverage to the state, after Staples founder Stemberg told him at the start of his term that doing so would be the best way he could help people[135][136][137] and after the federal government, due to the rules of Medicaid funding, threatened to cut $385 million in those payments to Massachusetts if the state did not reduce the number of uninsured recipients of health care services.[22][135][138] Despite not having campaigned on the idea of universal health insurance,[137] Romney decided that because people without insurance still received expensive health care, the money spent by the state for such care could be better used to subsidize insurance for the poor.[136][137]""

""On April 12, 2006, Romney signed the resulting Massachusetts health reform law, which requires nearly all Massachusetts residents to buy health insurance coverage or face escalating tax penalties such as the loss of their personal income tax exemption.[140] ""

WAKE UP

Murph,

At this point it is clear to me that Romney is the best candidate from the GOP-side of the equation who remains standing (I thought Huntsman was the best option).

I hope he quickly wins the primary and I hope he unseats Obama.

I think he would probably be an OK president - certainly better than Obama, but why set the bar so low?

""Set aside Cain's questionable past with women for a moment...he displayed a degree of ignorance regarding foreign policy that would have made Sarah Palin look all-world on the subject back in 2008. Initially, I was excited about the prospect of his winning the nomination...until he was pressed on his views. ""

Yeah, and? Thats what a good Secretary of State and National Security Advisor is for. You think Bush Jr. knew the first thing about... anything? He had his dad's team to lean on. The only thing he had to do was regurgigate his nightly briefings on national television.

The "women" was a smear job, and probably involved the establishments of both parties. Thats what happens when you're on the outside moving in, the establishment comes up with stupid, insignificant and outrageous accusations to dissuade a pretty gullible and increasingly ADD-afflicted public,

Yep, Heffy.

It'll be nice to have someone who makes 20 million a year in the Oval Office (and only pays 15 percent on it) because he will SO understand the problems of the average Joe.

Maybe he'll even give us the Ryan Plan to Redistribute Wealth Upwards that America hates, ya think?

President Romney! Has a nice ring to it.

Citizen or not Obama! Has a nice ring to it also.

You know what, the hell with it. You guys deserve what you get. Welcome to the USSA. You're plinking guns 12 gauge shotguns arent going to defend you from having a H&K shoved up your ass. Enjoy it retards. Just sit back and wonder how much better it would have been had you not been so lazy and narrow minded.

www.google.com

Yeah, and? Thats what a good Secretary of State and National Security Advisor is for. You think Bush Jr. knew the first thing about... anything? He had his dad's team to lean on. The only thing he had to do was regurgigate his nightly briefings on national television.

What if Cain pulled an Obama and 92% of his cabinet had zero foreign-affairs credentials just like 92% of Obama's cabinet had zero private sector experience?

The "women" was a smear job

For the most part...probably. But he did admit to the affair.

Look, I was initially excited about Cain. The fact that he was an outsider coupled with his private-sector creds and his tremendous oratory-skills - I thought he was the ideal candidate. But then all of this other shit came to light - some of it was manufactured and some of it was legit.

I didn't have a problem with the affair per se as the Clinton presidency neutered the left on this issue (it happened early and often throughout our history, but was much less publicized, but I digress). Sadly, Cain was unprepared for prime-time and the leftist media machine (that hates Conservative Blacks more than anything) barely worked up a sweat and derailed his campaign.

"What if Cain pulled an Obama and 92% of his cabinet had zero foreign-affairs credentials just like 92% of Obama's cabinet had zero private sector experience?"

Look, if you're going to lie, at least don't barf one so easy to disprove.

www.politifact.com

Maybe he'll even give us the Ryan Plan to Redistribute Wealth Upwards that America hates, ya think?

#194 | Posted by Corky

So...means-testing Medicare (subsidizing the rich less)

redistributes wealth upwards?

Shredding the tax-code almost entirely and replacing it with a system where only a couple of deductions exist that are directed toward the bottom of income-earners redistributes wealth upwards?

So what, he had an affair, now one of your top candidates is a serial divorcee with a pissed off ex-wife DUMPING the beans. Im not blaming you, Jeff, just the conglomerate of retards and halfasses known as the Republican Party for taking a golden opportunity and fucking it up for no reason. If any of you honestly think that Romney is anything less than the same as Obama you're dead wrong. He wrote the blueprint for Obamacare, and has the same belligerent stance that defines the Republican agenda. People should have been alot more supportive of Cain, even demanding he stay in the race, and they should have done that by turning their back on this establishment fuck Romney. If he gets the nomination, I pray to God Obama does get re-elected. It worked out in 2008 with "Batshit" McCain.

Shredding the tax-code almost entirely and replacing it with a system where only a couple of deductions exist that are directed toward the bottom of income-earners redistributes wealth upwards?

#199 | Posted by JeffJ

You really think Mr. Mainstream is going to do anything remotely controversial? His whole persona is built around mushy, moderate bullshit seasoned with a little tough talk on defense matters. You're being hoodwinked Jeff. The ride for Romney ends at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Thats why the establishment wants him, he isn't going to do a damn thing. He isnt going to repeal Obamacare, he isnt going to conduct a meaningful overhaul of the tax code, and he damn sure isnt going to reverse the onslaught on America's privacy and civil rights. The only thing you'll get from is the obligatory nod to the Christian right by reaffirming DOMA, which doesnt do shit, just as its designed to.

"Why Mitt's Mormonism Should Be Of Great Concern To American Voters"

#131 | Posted by CalifChris

Quite a revealing article, Chris.

The American version of an Islamic Caliphate

"Shredding the tax-code almost entirely and replacing it with a system where only a couple of deductions exist that are directed toward the bottom of income-earners redistributes wealth upwards? "

You must have missed the 8.5% consumption tax. So a family of four making $39K would still pay zero in income taxes, just an additional 8.5% sales tax. While slashing taxes on the wealthiest.

So what, he had an affair, now one of your top candidates is a serial divorcee with a pissed off ex-wife DUMPING the beans. Im not blaming you, Jeff,

I seriously don't give a shit about his infidelities. That standard has been shattered by the left, but for all of Obama's faults - and they are numerous - by all avaialable accounts he has been faithful to his wife.

Given that provable-reality...how in the hell does the GOP paint Obama as a radical family-hating regime?

I never understood how "She turned me into a Newt!" became the anti-Romney candidate?

There is a visceral, gut-level, negative response against Romney from "socially conservaitve" evangelicals and Southern Baptist types.

This is based in part on his record as a social moderate as Governor. Mostly his support of civil unions with all the benefits of marriage and his opposition to government intervention in abortion decisions.

The other part is the Mormon thing.

Rmoney's granpappy fled the US's polygamy laws in order to establish a Mormon "sanctuary" in Mexico (which is now described as a "colony"). The Romney's gave up their polygamous ways a while back but there are still some polygamists in Mexico today because of Granpappy's ,move.

Mormons in Colonia Juarez, including the Romneys, long ago abandoned polygamy, although some Mormons still practice it in the nearby communities of Galeana and LeBaron.

www.dallasnews.com

So there's that.

Plus, on a very basic doctrinal level, the deeply religious Christian fundamentalists consider Mormonism to be cult.

But moderate Republicans aren't the ones who could derail a Romney candidacy. His obstacle is the evangelical base--a voting bloc that now makes up 30 percent of the Republican electorate and that wields particular influence in primary states like South Carolina and Virginia. Just as it is hard to overestimate the importance of evangelicalism in the modern Republican Party, it is nearly impossible to overemphasize the problem evangelicals have with Mormonism. Evangelicals don't have the same vague anti-LDS prejudice that some Americans do. For them it's a doctrinal thing, based on very specific theological disputes that can't be overcome by personality or charm or even shared positions on social issues. Romney's journalistic boosters either don't understand these doctrinal issues or try to sidestep them. But ignoring them won't make them go away. To evangelicals, Mormonism isn't just another religion. It's a cult.

www.washingtonmonthly.com

We saw the truth of this in South Carolina recently.

But why Newt?

They got nobody else.

The fundies who play this game know fer a certainty that Sanctorum is unelectable but he is their well groomed poster boy and the closest thing the Fundies have to an actual statesman at this point. His job is to be in there herping that crazy derp with as much sincerity as he can muster, not to actually win anything.

Ron Paul won't pander to them so he's out.

Ron Paul doesn't appear to pander to anyone.

Which is, of course, why is so singularly loathed by both the fundies *and* the establishment GOPhers.

That leaves Newt.

Self-appointed queen of the teatarded, socially conservative set, Sarah Palin, recently gave Newton LEROY Gingrich a very luke warm endorsement.

But only after he promised her a prominent place in his administration.

Well, that *and* a unicorn on the moon.

/Sarah's a shrewd bargainer.

The Freepers still think she is their saviour funnily enough.

They still haven't realized that she is just a grifter out to con then.

It's not too late for a Sarah Palin to get into this thing. Still 95% of delegates left to be decided and we have five weeks before the next major string of primaries.

Check out the Freep "Romney Wins FLA Primary" thread that came from.

www.freerepublic.com

It's epic.

Be Well.

/Epic fail. ^__^

#206 | Posted by dethspud
It's one thing to fundamentally diagree with those with whom you disagree. It is quite another to assingn bullthi8t advocacies and THEN lecture the rest of The motivations with those with whom you disagree.

#206 | Posted by dethspud
It's one thing to fundamentally diagree with those with whom you disagree. It is quite another to assingn bullthi8t advocacies and THEN lecture the rest of The motivations with those with whom you disagree.

"Why Mitt's Mormonism Should Be Of Great Concern To American Voters"

#131 | Posted by CalifChris

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Article 6, United States Constitution

"Facts are stupid things."
~Ronald Reagan

If you put Romney and Callista Gingrich together you'd have robotic animatrons of "Mr. American Businessman and his Stepford Wife".

Neither of them seem human. More like something created at Skywalker Ranch by George Lucas for an exhibit at Epcot Center.

Because it's where New York Wall Street Scum go to retire. Romney is a snake just like the rest of those leather skins.

t's one thing to fundamentally diagree with those with whom you disagree. It is quite another to assingn bullthi8t advocacies and THEN lecture the rest of The motivations with those with whom you disagree.

[wtfamireading]

Needs moar clarification.

Seriously, have no idear wot yer on about there.

What advocacies? What motivation? To whom?

Be Well.

"[A] Romney sweep of Dixie in early March really would shatter the rationale for Gingrich's campaign. At that point, it wouldn't really matter if Gingrich stayed in the race; he would then be about as relevant to the GOP race as Jerry Brown was to the Democratic contest in the spring months of 1992.

"But that's six weeks from now. Between now and then, Romney can pretend all he wants that the race is over and that his new opponent is Barack Obama; every time Newt Gingrich opens his mouth, the press will be there to cover it, reminding Romney that he's not out of the woods yet."
www.salon.com

First off, it's still private sector. Secondly, he lead the actors union.

Digging pretty deep there, Jeffj-Reagn was a socialist layabout, working only part timewhich makes him qualified to be President?

but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Article 6, United States Constitution

The religious test is in the mind of the voter before he pulls the lever,Zat.

Vastly more qualified than the current occupant of the White House, Oliver.

Vastly more qualified than the current occupant of the White House, Oliver.

Obama has 3 more years experience at the gig than Rmoney.

Rmoney is only qualified to be a kleptocrat for the 1%.

Reduce taxes on the rich and watch the wealth trickle down!

Cut capital gains to 0%!

Electing Rmoney would be a death sentence for what's left of America's struggling middle class.

Luckily inherent RW American religious prejudice will do what all of Spud impassioned pleas and logical argument never could.

This fact amuses Spud.

Be Well.

Electing Rmoney would be a death sentence for what's left of America's struggling middle class.

Indubitably.

Electing Rmoney would be a death sentence for what's left of America's struggling middle class.

I have no idea what electing Romney would mean. He has no core principles.

I can honestly say I don't think there would be a major change if either Obama or Romney won. Neither are strong enough leaders to stand up to the pressures of the office and will cave when put under pressure. If that is the race, might as well keep Obama.

From Spud's Freeper link:

(FOX, DRUDGE, HAS BEEN DISGUSTING IN THEIR BIASED ATTACKS V NEWT. I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)

That, my friends is serious crazy.

Arguing that Obama doesn't have the experience may have been valid in 2008 but is sort of ridiculous now that he has been president three years longer than any of the Republicans running.
Looking at how he has managed the economy, digging out from the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression it is also sort of ridiculous to claim he is incompetent.
I don't see much of an opportunity here for Republicans in 2012, the President has done a good job and most Americans understand that now.

He has no core principles.

Early on in young Rmoney's life he was a student at college where he found himself taking part in a counter protest to protest people protesting the Vietnam war.

See: Pic.

A little while later he found himself on a 30 month missionary mission to France where he sat out a lot of that war.

What Spud is trying to illustrate here is that even at that tender age young money was adapting himself in order to achieve the quantum political super-position wherein he occupies all sides of all political questions as needed for any given situation.

He is a perpetual political weathervane and his only true core political belief is that he should be POTUS.

Beyond enriching himself further through even more radical and insane tax cuts he has no real beliefs.

Be Well.

the President has done a good job and most Americans understand that now.

Most?

His approval rating is well below 50%.

15 posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:40:58 PM by manc (FOX, DRUDGE, HAS BEEN DISGUSTING IN THEIR BIASED ATTACKS V NEWT. I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)

by manc

MANC??? No, couldn't be!?!
Still, delusional post is telling
nooo, couldn't possibly be
but....

ARRRRGGGGHHHH

He has no core principles.

Which is precisely why the GOP base has been so desperately searching for the non-Romney - how he'd actually govern is unpredictable.

Unfortunately, the only solid GOP alternative ran a terrible campaign and has bowed out (Huntsman).

Gingrich is a train wreck in motion and Santorum is a dick (Paul would never capture more than 25% of the popular vote). That leaves us with Romney.

He has no core principles.

Which is precisely why the GOP base has been so desperately searching for the non-Romney - how he'd actually govern is unpredictable.

Unfortunately, the only solid GOP alternative ran a terrible campaign and has bowed out (Huntsman).

Gingrich is a train wreck in motion and Santorum is a dick (Paul would never capture more than 25% of the popular vote). That leaves us with Romney.

"As for Ron Paul...he'd never win the general. NEVER. I don't care who he would be running against."

I think Ron Paul would have an easier go of winning a general election (assuming he had the GOP nomination already) than he would the GOP nomination.

"He is a perpetual political weathervane and his only true core political belief is that he should be POTUS."

With all the lip-service dedicated to the importance of being a centrist around here, being a blank slate that gives the center what it wants shouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

"His approval rating is well below 50%."

Actually Rasmussen has him at 51% and most of the others are only slightly below that.

Danni,

Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread
RCP Average 1/11 - 1/30 -- 47.0 47.5 -0.5
Gallup 1/28 - 1/30 1500 A 46 47 -1
Rasmussen Reports 1/28 - 1/30 1500 LV 51 48 +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 1/22 - 1/24 1000 A 48 46 +2
CBS News/NY Times 1/12 - 1/17 1154 A 47 45 +2
Pew Research 1/11 - 1/16 1502 A 44 48 -4
ABC News/Wash Post 1/12 - 1/15 1000 A 48 48 Tie
FOX News 1/12 - 1/14 906 RV 45 47 -2
CNN/Opinion Research 1/11 - 1/12 1021 A 47 51 -4

His average is 47% - that is pretty far from "most" although it is a few points higher than its been for quite awhile.

His approval rating is well below 50%.

What do Congress's numbers look like?

People are frustrated and they have every right to be.

But they are finally figuring out where the real problem lies.

The teatards who came in in 2010 have proven to be a complete disaster at governing and getting anything useful done.

People who pay attention see clearly that the problem is a Republican party that would rather make America FAIL in order to try and blame it on the Dems than see the country succeed.

The modern GOP are a greater threat to the United States than Al Quada ever was or ever could be.

Pretty much everything they do is wrong and all their ideas suck.

Obama hasn't even started campaigning yet.

This is the GOP's time for the spotlight right now.

And so far all they are showing the US are assorted pairs of clownshoes.

GL w/ that.

Be Well.

What do Congress's numbers look like?

Meaningless really. The entire nation votes for President, but they only vote for 3 members of Congress. You would have to look at the approval rating for each member in their district to get a meaningful comparison. Based on the re-election rates in Congress, there won't be any real change in 2012.

As for Ron Paul...he'd never win the general. NEVER. I don't care who he would be running against.

Ron Paul has a better chance to win the general than he does the Republican primary. His foreign policy isolationism isn't a dealbreaker for Democrats or independents.

Ron Paul has a better chance to win the general than he does the Republican primary.

Very true. I would consider him, but not being a Republican I will never have that option so it is a moot point.

-Meaningless really

Meaningful in that Congress's truly dismal performance allows Obama to run a Trumanesque campaign against them.

Meaningful in that Congress's truly dismal performance allows Obama to run a Trumanesque campaign against them.

Posted by Corky at 2012-02-01 10:23 AM

Just look at re-election rates for Congress.

www.opensecrets.org

It doesn't matter if everyone hate Congress as a whole if they keep re-electing their 3 members.

I wasn't arguing with people voting for their own congressmen locally, K.

Just pointing out how it is meaningful in terms of the election.

I understand your point Corky, but I still feel overall Congressional approval is about as meaningless as International approval of the President. There are 534 members of Congress and each person can only vote for 3 of them. The vast majority of those 3 are sent back election after election, so what the country thinks of Congress is not really a factor. Everyone can vote for President, so the nation's view of him as a whole is far more meaningful. Overall Congressional approval numbers are a red herring.

-Overall Congressional approval numbers are a red herring.

They give a contrast that a Pres can run against, such as Truman did.

They give a contrast that a Pres can run against, such as Truman did.

#240 | Posted by Corky at 2012-02-01 10:52 AM

Different world IMHO. We will find out soon enough.

Very true. I would consider him ...

Me too. There's something to be said for completely rejecting the Democratic/Republican orthodoxy that we can fight multiple wars, police the world, bloat the military, expand presidential power and keep financing the social safety net on borrowed money.

I think Obama's done a much better job as president than the other side thinks, but he's still operating within the normal boundaries of a modern president -- and this might not be a normal time any more.

Paul, of course, has many policies that I'd hate as a Democrat when Obama called attention to them in a general campaign. His answer to uninsured people is basically that it sucks to be you.

Nobody likes Jiminy Cricket

Paul, of course, has many policies that I'd hate as a Democrat when Obama called attention to them in a general campaign. His answer to uninsured people is basically that it sucks to be you.

#242 | Posted by rcade

Then look to your statehouse or yourself for the solution Rcade. In an age where the education is there to live right, alot of people are failing that basic task. Between a guy that says "give me the power and I'll make it all better" and and another guy that says "this is going down a dangerous path" ill take the latter. This encroachment is becoming more and more profound, and you cannot ignore the enhancement of police power that is occurring at the same time as the enhancement of economic power.

Then look to your statehouse or yourself for the solution Rcade.

What difference does it make whether the federal government or the state offers universal health insurance? The feds are more likely to do it right because they have much more bargaining power with health providers and far more reach than an individual state.

What difference does it make whether the federal government or the state offers universal health insurance? ""

Many differences. One, health care isnt a legitimate federal interest according to the tenth amendment. Second, the scope of government interference is better determined at the state level because voters have more influence over their state governments. I actually believe universal healthcare should be provided, but only specialty care. You're standard family practice shouldnt be paid for with government money. Dental care shouldnt be paid for with government money. elective surgeries shouldnt be paid for with government money. Thats my opinion.

When you federalize something you take it above the scrutiny of voters. The role of government in our everyday lives should be determined at the lowest level possible. That is best done at the statehouse. Each individual state has the resources necessary to facilitate that care, if the voters desire it.

I would have considered Ron Paul. I'd never vote for Romney. I'd never vote for a Mormon.

Rmoney is absolutely brilliant! I don't know where it came from, but I almost hopes he wins so we can use it for the next four years.

One, health care isnt a legitimate federal interest according to the tenth amendment.

That ship sailed a long time ago. Medicaid has been a legitimate federal interest for 47 years.

It shouldn't read wins it should read bought anyway Fla. is made up of former foreign nationals and former New Yorkers who form a large segment of the population.

Hey I'll take a moon base idea as opposed to the head of NASA being told to go around and speak to Muslims to elevate their self esteem.The idea was to establish a base for manned exploration to Mars because they know the moon has water on it.

The idea was to establish a base for manned exploration to Mars because they know the moon has water on it.

Not quite. The idea was to establish a base for manned exploration of Mars on the Moon because the gravity is 1/6 that of Earth and therefore would take far less fuel to get into space making the flight cheaper.

The Republicans(status Quo) are hell bent on putting another McCain on the ballot which will produce the same disastrous results.

That maybe part of it but the water element was also a factor in establishing a base on the moon.

"Only the Old Confederacy Can Save Newt Now" (www.salon.com)

As Ed Kilgore [in an analysis of Florida voting patterns] put it, "basically, the more a county resembled GA or AL, the more likely it was that Newt would win, and that, of course, will be part of his rationale for continuing on, at least to states where Crackro-Americans dominate."

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