These 'churches' need to lose their tax exempt status.

Jesus.

Could not agree more with the above. They have become political organizations.

"These 'churches' need to lose their tax exempt status."

Good one retard. The gov forces HC on religious groups for their employees, then mandates the guarantees which come with it, and ignores any religious argument?

Is that not against the 1st amendment. (Not asking the challenged poster darthy, just in general)

Catholic women who listen to the all male hierarchy of the Catholic Church which has disgraced itself for decades are allowing themselves to be treated like stupid children. I freed myself from the oppressive patriacrchy decades ago, never looked back. Life has been much better since.

I am more concerned with how a Catholic hospital uses its faith to justify a standard of care than I am with their willingness to provide birth control coverage to women who voluntarily took the position. Do I think that they should? Sure, but they're Catholics. The Church's position on birth control has never been unambiguous.

It is long past time to tax these fucking cesspools.

From above:

"On Jan 20, the Obama administration made final a proposal requiring most employer-sponsored health plans to OFFER (emphasis mine) women contraceptive services including sterilization without copays, co-insurance or deductibles."

This does not REQUIRE anyone to use the contraceptive services. If their personal and/or religious convictions are opposed to using the contraceptive services, THEN DON'T USE THEM!

What's so complicated?

Is that not against the 1st amendment. (Not asking the challenged poster darthy, just in general)

#4 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-01-30 12:01 PM

The first amendment does not guarantee tax-exempt status, dumbass.

It is long past time to tax these fucking cesspools.
#7 | Posted by Dr_Icepick

A group of people who form an organization to protect their interests and to share a common believe. Unions tax exempt OK, Church tax exemption not OK. Not even getting into which organization has done more to benefit the world.

A group of people who form an organization to protect their interests and to share a common believe.

Typical religious idiot. Next time, put a little dressing on that word salad.

Unions tax exempt OK, Church tax exemption not OK.

Care to step away from your strawman long enough to actually make a germane (or accurate) point?

It is long past time to tax these fucking cesspools.
#7 | Posted by Dr_Icepick

You got a mind like an old steel trap, closed and rusty from lack of use.

"The first amendment does not guarantee tax-exempt status, dumbass."

Really Einstein? WTF would YOU be stupid enough to post it? Like I said, I wasn't asking a retard like you, yet somehow you couldn't help the twitch to answer...

As Justice William Brennan stated for the majority, "to condition the availability of benefits upon this appellant's willingness to violate a cardinal principle of her religious faith effectively penalizes the free exercise of her constitutional liberties."

Note to Pedo Priests: Your parishioners have been ignoring your medieval position ob birth control for decades.

"A new report from the Guttmacher Institute, the nonprofit sexual health research organization, shows that only 2 percent of Catholic women, even those who regularly attend church, rely on natural family planning.

The latest data shows practices of Catholic women are in line with women of other religious affiliations and adult American women in general.

"In real-life America, contraceptive use and strong religious beliefs are highly compatible," said the report's lead author Rachel Jones.

She said most sexually active women who do not want to become pregnant practice contraception, and most use highly effective methods like sterilization, the pill, or the intrauterine device (IUD).

"This is true for Evangelicals and Mainline Protestants, and it is true for Catholics, despite the Catholic hierarchy's strenuous opposition to contraception," Jones said.

Nearly 70 percent of Catholic women use sterilization, the birth control pill or an IUD, according to the Guttmacher Institute research.

The numbers are slightly higher among women who identify as Evangelicals or Mainline Protestants, research showed."

Churches and some religious schools are exempt.

so much for that 1st amendment argument.

I freed myself from the oppressive patriacrchy decades ago, never looked back. Life has been much better since.

#5 | Posted by danni

Danni is a recovering Catholic, explains a lot.

Not even getting into which organization has done more to benefit the world.
Why? You seem to enjoy picking fights you can't possibly win. Long weekend?

Catholics will probably listen to this as well as they listen to the prohibition against divorce.

I don't know who is more idiotic. Diablo for pretending that Catholics listen to their priests on how to vote (and pretending that they are conservative). Or the knee jerk Catholic bashers who don't know that Catholics are not conservatives. I guess its a tie. Congrats all.

TruBlue near the top has a good post...
this quote from the article affirms his points...

"The government's decision does not apply to churches, synagogues, mosques, temples
and some religiously-affiliated elementary and
secondary schools, which remain exempt.

But it came as a blow to religious officials who pushed
hard for a broader exemption..."

In other words, it upset the Catholic Church who wants to spread
their ideology beyond the borders of their church...

I'm glad I left the Catholic Faith some 20 years ago,
antequated, over-opinionated, and wrong, wrong, wrong,
about Population & Contraception issues...

They read no such letter at my church this past weekend.

I hope they don't. I agree with majority of the posts against this nonsense. The church has no business trying to rally voters over this shit.

And northguy is right for once......the church doesn't want to admit that most of it's adult members use artificial birth control anyway.

#20 | Posted by earthmuse at 2012-01-30 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag: Pants pisser epic failure

"I don't know who is more idiotic. Diablo for pretending that Catholics listen to their priests on how to vote (and pretending that they are conservative). Or the knee jerk Catholic bashers who don't know that Catholics are not conservatives. I guess its a tie."

I saw nothing in my post on how many listened, Sully. The Catholic vote has been split for decades but they have been a major swing group in every presidential election since JFK.
To have this letter read (and it was in my parish Sunday) is a major change for the clergy. The sleeping giant is waking up.

#23 | POSTED BY DIABLO

I grew up in a Catholic household. My mother still sings for the choir. After choir practices on Thursdays, they go to the local pizza shop for beer and wine. It's in this environment that my mother stands up for the views and the perspectives of liberal ideology all by herself. The rest of the group ransacks her with the usual conservative diatribe.

Although I am no longer a member of the church, from what I remember, most of the attendees that I frequented were quite conservative. Many of them were wealthy as well. But to say they were only voting to their pocket book wouldn't be genuine. These people are strictly anti-abortion (ironically as my mother is) and they don't entirely support gay marriage. Catholicism is stoked in tradition so it's only consistent that Catholics enjoy other conservative values as well.

But, in comparison with all the other Christian religions, Catholics most definitely seem the most split, IMHO. Liberal protestants on the left and rigid fundamentalists on the right. Catholics right down the middle. I believe the historical voting record would read the same way, but I am not certain.

Go ahead and take away the churches tax exempt status. Religious people tend to be more conservative. The tax exempt status is what keeps the church from drawing the connection between the church teachings and politics. Remove the tax exempt status and give the clergy more freedom of speech to address politics from the pulpit. Lets see how that works for the left.

from slightly above...

'Catholic bashers are so transparent in their MO - couldn't adhere to governance by something other than their johnson or twat..."

#22 | Posted by e_pluribus_unum at 2012-01-30 02:55 PM

"Remove the tax exempt status and give the clergy more freedom of speech to address politics from the pulpit. Lets see how that works for the left." I don't think it would change anything, church leaders already preach politics to their flocks. I think though that Catholics are a little different than most Protestant sects because the people largely ignore the priests.

"Catholics are the ones with the hangups over population--it's o.k.,
in fact supported by Catholics, to breed like Rabbits, and increase
the number of the faithful..."

We do not oppose birth control and abortion in order to swell the ranks of the faithful. We say it is true for everyone that these things are wrong, so are we trying now to increase the number of Islamics and Mormons?? Humanae Vitae is online in English for you to read.

Remove the tax exempt status and give the clergy more freedom of speech to address politics from the pulpit. Lets see how that works for the left.

Like it isn't happening now? It'd be interesting to see how long some of those mega-churches last, having to pay taxes like any other business.

We do not oppose birth control and abortion in order to swell the ranks of the faithful.

Horseshit.

Your religion is a disease that it relies on vertical transmission to avoid extinction.

"To have this letter read (and it was in my parish Sunday) is a major change for the clergy. The sleeping giant is waking up."

The clergy had spoken out on the politics of reproduction many times. And American Catholics proceeded to make up their own minds just as many times. I don't see this as any sign that Catholics are going to vote as a block.

"Catholicism is stoked in tradition so it's only consistent that Catholics enjoy other conservative values as well."

Yes and no. I know what you're talking about with "conservative values". At the same time, my two great aunts who were nuns lived a vow of poverty and gave everything they had to the poor pretty much as soon as they got it. They didn't only give the poor who they thought was deserving or "producing". I don't think they would have labelled any of their beliefs along political lines. They were just doing their best to follow Christ's example.

If you really think about it, you can't be "liberal" or "conservative" and still be a real Christian because Christ crosses party lines.

It was funny to watch liberals about 18 months ago protest that ObamaCare didn't do anything like provide money for abortions, or force anyone to provide abortifacients. They attacked those of us who said otherwise. Remember the final vote for ZeroCare? Needed an EO from the president that nothing was going to abortion, before he cast the deciding vote?

Now, his ball puffers are out in force, again, to say that Obama was correct to do so, all along. Take away their tax exemptions! Gobama! No room for the first amendment around here!

You douchenozzles are funny. Please, PLEASE--start a campaign to take the exemptions away from the churches. I'm begging you.

You might not believe it, but priests are limited in what they can say due to the tax exempt status. I am not saying 100% of Catholics will vote the way the priest wants them to, but if every week he points out that voting for a pro-abortion candidate over a pro life cadidate is a mortal sin, then it will influence some parishioners. With elections as close as they have been, how much of a shift would you risk? Given the size of the Catholic and large influence on the Hispanic population, influencing a small % of Catholics could result in large demographic shifts.

If you really think about it, you can't be "liberal" or "conservative" and still be a real Christian because Christ crosses party lines.
#31 | POSTED BY SULLY

Well said and I agree.

I am always asking people who are so hard core in their social views based upon their Christian doctrines: "Really? Is that what Jesus would do?"

It's amazingly convenient for people to use their religion as justification for their political views. Incredibly limiting, but amazing non the less.

Christians can be libral or conservative, but that doesn't mean thier way of life follows church teaching.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Some librals believe certain scriptures in the biblr should be considered hate crimes against gays and want public reading of them banned. I doubt Christ would support that. Its the individual beliefs of many librals that many Christians have an issue with, primarily abortion and the far left's push against Christianity, banning public prayer, removing crosses.

Right now we are talking about a law the left passed forcing churches to provide and pay for something against thier beliefs. A few years ago they forced Cayholic Adoption centers to shut down or go against thier beliefs and adopt to gays. Iits not like there was a shortage of orphans at other agencies.

If your political beliefs or party is trying to force a religion to change or go against its beliefs, why can we not say so?

"We cannot, we will not, comply with this unjust law,"

You can, you should and you fucking will.

All it does is give these women a choice.

You assholes just know that Americans, being Cafeteria Catholics who have largely been ignoring the various Pope's stricture's against Birth Control and various abortifacient like ru486 and even abortion itself for a while now, might actually choose to take advantage of this.

The church's thinking on birth control is horribly out of whack with morality and reality.

Now they are out of whack with the law.

Sucks to be you, stuck in a previous century.

GL w/ THAT.

Of course, if you assclowns want to fire these women for making that choice after the fact that is prolly still legal.

Revel in that.

Be Well.

/Former Cafeteria Catholic now recovering Catholic atheist.

/Former Cafeteria Catholic now recovering Catholic atheist.
#36 | POSTED BY DETHSPUD

There seems to be many of us. Although, I am more humble in saying "I don't know what the fuck is going on..." as a former cafeteria Catholic now recovering Catholic agnostic.

Spud is just another fascist. Achtung! The President is speaking! One people! One America! One Obama!

What a douche.

"Christians can be libral or conservative, but that doesn't mean thier way of life follows church teaching.

Love the sinner, hate the sin."

Love the sinner, hate the sin is an acknowledgement that we all mess up and deserve another chance. In an evangelical sense, it also means that you bring the sinners closer to you in order to help them realize what they've done wrong.

It doesn't mean you can say "I've decided the Golden Rule is for suckers, half the ten commandments shouldn't apply to me and that Christ was a little too much of a pacifist so I'm not going to follow his basic tenants either..." and then still call yourself a Christian.

If you disagree with church teaching, don't work fot them!!!

You don't change the word of god or his teaching, you:
1) Follow his will
2) Decide it is wrong and join a different church

Why should we ignore what we feel is gods teaching for a mortal?
Why can't we do our thing and you do yours?

And once they're ALL closing their doors, where will you take your business? In some less populated areas, the Catholic Hospital is ALL there is! So now we'll drive an Emergency from 15 to 45 miles OR more to get treatment? Good idea! Even small clinics are deserting under populated areas! So, lets send the rest packing!

If you were told that your belief system means nothing would you be upset? Or do you even have one? It seems there will always be a place to 'get an abortion, or the pills', why stamp a church hospital, with beliefs that have stood for CENTURIES - as the villian? They Do appear to make exception for cases of endangerment to the life of the mother!

So, what's your choice, no Hospital - or - reduced services for the majority just so you can bitch loudly?

Their religion is Obama. They'll do anything he says.

Spud is just another fascist.

*rolls eyes*

You don't know what that word means, do you?

Be Well.

RSTY: There seems to be many of us. Although, I am more humble in saying "I don't know what the fuck is going on..." as a former cafeteria Catholic now recovering Catholic agnostic.

In the symmetry of nature, and in the sense that evolution seems to be going somewhere there seems evidence of an over-riding intelligence (for lack of a better term) imbedded in the very structure of life itself.

Cannot possibly take this meager belief and call myself an agnostic.

Spud don't particularly care if people believe in the existence of a God entity or not.

All Spud cares about is that they believe in good.

If they do then we're good.

From there it's just a matter of defining "good".

Admittedly *that* can get tricky.

Worth it, though.

It's the whole point to Free Will, as far as Spud can tell.

For good or evil, we define ourselves.

Be Well.

You can, you should, and you will."
You want to force people to do what you want. People just Like you stacked up corpses to the moon.

You're just wicked.

"You might not believe it, but priests are limited in what they can say due to the tax exempt status"

Oh please -- it is simply who they are saying against. I guess there were no Southern Baptist preachers openly supporting Obama from the pulpit? The lefties with their hypocrisy on full volume again. It is so predictable. Profanities against any and all that oppose what is "correct" and correct is simply agreeing with the liberal agenda.

"I am not saying 100% of Catholics will vote the way the priest wants them to, but if every week he points out that voting for a pro-abortion candidate over a pro life cadidate is a mortal sin, then it will influence some parishioners."

Massachussetts.

Nuf said.

.s. Not everyone is going to agree with you in life Bub...
And we are entitled to a difference in opinion (whether
you like it or not)...

#26 | Posted by earthmuse at 2012-01-30 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course you are entitled - but why do you give a fuck what the Catholic church does if you are not a member? (no bs about how it affects the lives of non-catholics - that can be said of ANY group in the world that has a large amount of members - like the unions) Why do you give a fuck if they have their OWN opinion? For the reasons I gave of course - no need for you to answer.

The fallen Catholics on this site prove that. Life without boundaries is their goal - or rather life with THEIR boundaries.

I don't know where your comment on population control is stemming from - I never mentioned that.

Catholics voted 54 percent Obama, 45 percent McCain in 2008. They're the only Christian denomination that went for Obama. They're not a conservative group.

/Former Cafeteria Catholic now recovering Catholic atheist.

#36 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-01-30 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Recovering from what? Sanity? You don't want people to believe in "good" you want people to believe in what YOU think is "good". Prove me wrong.

Catholics Oppose Obama from Pulpit

.....yet they LOVE fucking young boys!

Prove me wrong.

Define "good".

Be Well.

Define "good".

".... a nice MLT: a mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe. They're so perky, I love that!"

"Life without boundaries is their goal - or rather life with THEIR boundaries."

Well, I happen to believe telling folks the truth about birth control is a better boundary. I happen to believe welcoming gays as equal into the family of man is a better boundary. I happen to believe protecting children rather than exploiting them is a better boundary. And I happen to believe prosecuting pedophiles is a better boundary than secretly shuttling them off to do more damage. I also believe everyone who does good will be welcomed in heaven, and not just us Catholics, a lesser boundary I was taught growing up in Catholic school.

SCOTUS will corrupt this move.

These 'churches' need to lose their tax exempt status.

#1 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY

Oops! You need to go ahead and separate the state from the church, there Darth. I think that the state needs to keep out of people's business.

BTW, Does Rev Jeremiah Write need to lose his 503-c? HMMMMMMM???

LOL!!!

So Obama attacks and sues the states over illegal immigration laws--sues states over Boeing and right to work--sues states over voter ID--

And now will sue Catholic hospitals trying to take away their right to religious freedom.

I can't wait for the That lawsuit to be filed.

This WH just loves to sue the citizens--the EPA, the NLRB, the DoJ--they can't get enough!

One termer Obama..

The IRS should send a letter to all churches reminding of their obligation to stay out of politics. A reminder of this type should be sent during every election cycle.

The IRS should send a letter to all churches reminding of their obligation to stay out of politics. A reminder of this type should be sent during every election cycle.

#58 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

So, the IRS (the state) should get involved in the affairs of the church?

HMMMMMMMmmmmm....

"So, the IRS (the state) should get involved in the affairs of the church?"

It does, whenever churches start behaving like political operations. Has to do with tax-exempt status.

Never heard a spokesperson for a church whine about that special-0status exemption.

"The fallen Catholics on this site prove that. Life without boundaries is their goal - or rather life with THEIR boundaries."

Fallen Catholics my Ass!!! Awakened human beings who realized that the Catholic Church has no more moral authority than anyone else probably much less when you consider the sex scandals which have come from it by the thousands. You continue being led around by pedophiles if you wish but I won't even dignify them by pretending that I respect any aspect of that fallen church.

It does, whenever churches start behaving like political operations. Has to do with tax-exempt status.

* * * *

Ummmm . . . sure. I hear all the time about the IRS going after black inner-city churches. Or the mega evangelical ones.

Stick to history. Not much new in the French Revolution you have to stay on top of. It's current events that confuses you.

'Catholics voted 54 percent Obama, 45 percent McCain in 2008. They're the only Christian denomination that went for Obama. They're not a conservative group.'

Facts have no place in any discussion of Catholicism on the DR.

I am always asking people who are so hard core in their social views based upon their Christian doctrines: "Really? Is that what Jesus would do?"
#34 | Posted by rstybeach
Refresh my memory where Jesus did abortions. Then we have an agreement.

"Your religion is a disease that it relies on vertical transmission to avoid extinction."

Yeah, yeah, dr. likesdick, and a fetus is a lump of parasitic cells, too. You are in need of mental therapy.

a fetus is a lump of parasitic cells

A fetus is considered a special case of both a "parasite" and an "allograft". The fetus is undeniably parasitic. It survives by exploiting nutrients in the maternal blood supply and suppressing the maternal immune system - among other things.

The evolutionary consequences of maternal-fetal conflict are quite interesting, and they leave little room for your worthless iron age mysticism. I'll add that topic to the long list of areas where your incompetence leads to comically absurd opinions.

"The fetus is undeniably parasitic."

Uh, mr. science? A parasite is a species separate from the host species. The fetus is human.

"A parasite is a species separate from the host species. "

Another lie from diablow.

You sure are one stupid excuse for a piece of shit.

World English Dictionary
parasite (ˈpærəˌsaɪt) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]

-- n
1. an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it
2. a person who habitually lives at the expense of others; sponger
3. (formerly) a sycophant

[C16: via Latin from Greek parasitos one who lives at another's expense, from para- 1 + sitos grain]

The pope is an idiot in a funny hat.
Diablow is just an idiot.
LOL!!

Jesus never existed, christianity is a pathetic joke for gullible morons.

Your wife has one leg! Hahahahaha!

"Another lie from diablow. You sure are one stupid excuse for a piece of shit."

It's telling, when their arguments only exist of either stupidity or outright lies.

#66 | Posted by Dr_Icepick
Still is a parasite. If your parents(assuming you had some)had considered you a parasite, think you'd be here? Too bad they felt differently than you. That way you could have experienced the joy of abortion.

"A parasite is a species separate from the host species. "

That is correct. A parasite is a separate species that lives in and off a host; it is not the same species as its host.

1. an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it
2. a person who habitually lives at the expense of others;

Is Zat ever right even when quoting?

The fetus is undeniably parasitic.
#66 | Posted by Dr_Icepick

By all definitions a new born baby is a parasite, shit bag.

Where did you get your hate from queenie?

Out yourself and you'll feel better. Better yet talk to Mary, she'll make you feel better about yourself.

rwd

A parasite is a separate species that lives in and off a host; it is not the same species as its host.

Not necessarily. A parasite is almost always a different species than the host, but this does not define parasitism. Survival through exploitation of host resources is the defining feature.

Read up on the topic. You'll find maternal-fetal conflict behaving as a special case of host-parasite coevolution.

If your parents(assuming you had some)had considered you a parasite, think you'd be here?

One is perfectly capable of choosing to accept a pregnancy while knowing the biological relationship between mother and fetus. The key word there is "choice".

Bleeding fuckstains like you would deprive a mother of that choice in the name of antiquated superstitions.

#77 | Posted by Dr_Icepick
So you think your parents thought of you as a parasite.Ok, buy your interpretation of parasite your mom must have shit you out like a tape worm.

Bleeding fuckstains like you would deprive a mother of that choice.
you love to quote the dictionary , how is she a mother if she aborts dumb ass.

Argue semantics all you like. The point remains valid. And you remain a worthless fucking moron undeserving of the oxygen you consume.

"The point remains valid."

No it doesn't. You are wrong. A fetus is not a parasite. Just fess up like an adult and move on.

You are wrong. A fetus is not a parasite.

Not until it is about 30 and has to move back in with mom and dad. =P

No it doesn't. You are wrong.

Proclaiming yourself correct in the absence of evidence is no substitute for a valid argument. The legacy of millions of years of evolution support my claim. Evidence of maternal-fetal conflict is undeniable and widespread.

All you can do is whimper like a little bitch while waving around pages of a silly fucking fairy tale. Let me know when you've replaced your bloated sense of self-righteousness with competence.

"A fetus is not a parasite. "

Keep lying diablowjob.
You're mildly entertaining, but you and the pope are still parasitic idiot liars. At least Ratzo the Nazi gets a funny hat while he buggers the choir boys.

FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that's based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body:

No it doesn't. You are wrong. A fetus is not a parasite. Just fess up like an adult and move on.
#81 | POSTED BY DIABLO

It may not be a parasite, but it's also not a person.

-Reality is a bitch when you're as dismally stupid as diablowjob..

sodahead? really?

I noticed the wiki links and I couldn't find the terms, "invade, steal, hijack, or parasite"

no matter which side extremists are on....the emotional attachment to the abortion argument never seems to fade.

The problem is with abortion on demand.Unless it is life threatening, or rape ,or incest which just demeans the victim even more. I have a moral problem with abortion.Hell most of you spouting off on here were more than likely not planned.Sure it may have been inconvenient for your parents at the time, but they were not selfish individuals and accepted and loved and raised you.The whole abortion thing has turned into oh poor me it's going to interfere with my life style.If you can't assume responsibility and use contraceptive that is not the baby's fault. So now as your older and wiser you say I'm alive fuck the rest.Ever watch kids play at the park, not a care in the world, Don't you think the parasite you threw in the garbage wanted the same chance.Abortion is lazy selfish people taking the easy way out.And calling a fetus a parasite just show's your contempt to others point of view, and try and scientifically whisk their beliefs away or in some feeble attempt to demean them and their religious beliefs.

Don't you think the parasite you threw in the garbage wanted the same chance

So does that flu virus I had a vaccine against. And that tetnis I had a shot to prevent, it just wants to live too. Oh, and the holocaust that occurred when I used that anti-bacterial soap slaughtered millions of living things that just wanted to live.

If that"s what you want to consider yourself as have at it

I noticed the wiki links and I couldn't find the terms, "invade, steal, hijack, or parasite"

Perhaps you should look at the work of David Haig instead of "sodahead.com".

Don't you think the parasite you threw in the garbage wanted the same chance.

Cells don't "want" anything, other than to proliferate. Are you aware that many pregnancies are spontaneously aborted? When a woman's own body does the job, no one gives it a second thought. When a physician does the same, suddenly its the end of the fucking world. Quit wringing your hands over unthinking bits of tissue and get over yourself, dumbass.

And calling a fetus a parasite just show's your contempt to others point of view

Calling a fetus a parasite is quite accurate when you consider the underlying biology. Genes that drive fetal exploitation of maternal resources and maternal maintenance of homeostasis evolve in a remarkably similar manner as virulence factors and host defense genes. A successful pregnancy is just the optimal resolution of a host-parasite conflict.

Your point of view is supported emotion and superstition. Not fact. Present it as something other than a baseless opinion, and it will receive every bit of the contempt it deserves. When you defend idiocy, expect to be treated like an idiot.

Alternate headline: Obama Opposes Catholics from the Oval Office

Alternate headline: Obama Opposes Catholics from the Oval Office

Unlike yours, the one that appears at the top of the page is actually accurate.

Fallen Catholics my Ass!!! Awakened human beings who realized that the Catholic Church has no more moral authority than anyone else probably much less when you consider the sex scandals which have come from it by the thousands. You continue being led around by pedophiles if you wish but I won't even dignify them by pretending that I respect any aspect of that fallen church.

#61 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-31 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

Awakened? LOL. If your "awake", thank God so many billions are still "asleep". The priests were fags first then pedophiles. Deal with that first if you dare. Calling all the leadership in the Catholic Church pedophiles is about as accurate as anything else you say on this site.

MMGW never existed, it's a pathetic joke for gullible morons.

#69 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2012-01-31 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

FTFY

Good one retard. The gov forces HC on religious groups for their employees, then mandates the guarantees which come with it, and ignores any religious argument?

Is that not against the 1st amendment. (Not asking the challenged poster darthy, just in general)

#4 | Posted by crispee_oc

Ok I'll answer...Tho Darthy already did pretty while much to your chagrin.

Birth Control is not being "forced" onto anyone regardless of what you a are implying here. But, now the Affordable Care Act does give women a choice.

And women have a right to that choice. It is the law. No church has the right to dictate from the pulpit what the law of the land is or should be... I don't care what their "religious arguments" are.

As soon as they do that should lose their tax-exempt status.

"pretty while" should be "pretty well"

Calling all the leadership in the Catholic Church pedophiles

Don't confuse pedophilia with a well-established record of concealing pedophiles' crimes.

The two are very different things.

As are homosexuality and pedophilia... though I'm sure the differences are lost on your woefully incompetent ass.

For those of you who wish to condem for all time the Catholic Church for its pedophile cases, that is all well & good. Do you feel the same about public schools which have a much longer & larger history of pedophile cases? How 'bout how school districts covered up many to keep from getting sued?

I'm sure in Danni's eyes, Catholics BAD for pedophilia, Public Schools GOOD for pedophilia.

I actually condemn them for idolatry, hubris, deifying man (the Pope,) hypocrisy, altering the 10 Commandments, etc.

Yawn.

They can take positions on stuff that interferes with the conduct of their business. A person has a right to free speech doesn't mean that the Catholic Church should have to hire a greeter who is an atheist. Nor should they keep silent about having to carry insurance for things that is against their policies. What if the law provided that employers COULDN'T provide health insurance for birth control, and that would have to be provided on some other basis and Media Matters complained about it? you'd want to pull their non-profit status for that?

besides, the ban on 501(c)(3)s is for participating or intervening in a political campaign on behalf of or opposed to a particular candidate in an elective office. It does not mean that they cannot comment on issues that affect their business operations etc -- they just can't engage in electioneering.

besides, the ban on 501(c)(3)s is for participating or intervening in a political campaign on behalf of or opposed to a particular candidate in an elective office. It does not mean that they cannot comment on issues that affect their business operations etc -- they just can't engage in electioneering.

#101 | Posted by somoco

Now go back and read the headline and the topic of this thread and realize how dumb you are. The topic of the thread is that they are campaigning against Obama from the pulpit. if they do that they should lose their tax exempt status.

"Our parents and grandparents did not come to these shores to help build (America) ... or to have the posterity stripped of their God given rights,"

Again birth control is not being 'forced' upon anyone. They can advise their flock to not accept the free birth control but they have no right to deny them access to it. And they cannot campaign against Obama. It is the Law.

I think you are wrong. They are protesting a policy of Obama, not urging people to vote against him in the upcoming election. Actually it ain't the law. there is an exception that religious institutions don't have to offer it. that is what they are protesting. go have some ginko biloba or something.

... they are protesting the proposed change of rules, not the current rules that allow to not offer it.

typical lib. oppose a candidate's position on a finite issue, you must be opposing the candidate. most Catholics voted for Obama (greater % than others).

Actually it ain't the law. there is an exception that religious institutions don't have to offer it. that is what they are protesting. go have some ginko biloba or something.

#103 | Posted by somoco

On Jan 20, the Obama administration made final a proposal requiring most employer-sponsored health plans to offer women contraceptive services including sterilization without copays, co-insurance or deductibles.

It's the Law of the Land. Read it and weep numbnuts.

Health care reform requires new insurance plans to fully cover women's preventive care, which now will include free birth control, yearly wellness visits, breastfeeding counseling and equipment, and screening for gestational diabetes, domestic abuse, HPV, sexually transmitted infections (STIs), and HIV.

The government's decision does not apply to churches, synagogues, mosques, temples and some religiously-affiliated elementary and secondary schools, which remain exempt.

But it came as a blow to religious officials who pushed hard for a broader exemption that would have included religious organizations whose main purpose is not to provide religious services for their members. These include institutions such as Catholic-affiliated hospitals.

Some people are just not happy. Even though churches are exempt they want Catholic-affiliated Hospitals to be exempt too. Obama even gave an extra year for them to adjust to the new law. Time to get with the program and quit trying to circumvent the Law.

ok, at what point did they state -- don't vote for Obama because of this? when did they publicize and endorse another candidate who holds a contrary position? they didn't. see #105. they are perfectly within their rights to state their position on this...

remember, the Catholic Church is a person too.... (c'mon, you KNOW you love that)

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They didn't as far as I can tell. If they did you would agree with me?

I would need to see all the letters and sermons to be able to determine that.

I know what their intent is (it seems they are trying to circumvent the law and influence Congress) and they are violation the intent of the law if not the law.

and yes...Catholic Churches are people too. Crazy people to be sure but people nonetheless!

And yes...I hate it that they use taxpayer money and donations from the sheeples to try and influence the government...as you can probably tell.

And as you may well know I believe in Planned Parenthood and what they do and this is pretty much the opposite of that.

Liberals hold voter registrations in their 'Churches', enter the puppet master Valerie Jarrett. Liberal/socialist/communist occutards are useful idiots of 0bama's.

#110. I'm all for PP. it helps to keep the liberal and criminal populations down. If they did do electioneering, it would be a violation. But, that wouldn't necessarily lead to a revocation of the entire church. a Priest during a homily may or may not be expressing the opinions or directives of the organization as a whole.

You don't like that it gets to try to influence govt, but many non-profits do. Media Matters (501(c)(3); Planned Parenthood 501(c)(3); Students for a Free Tibet 501(c)(3); Victims Rights Law Center 501(c)(3); Parents for Choice In Education 501(c)(3); Ecology Action 501(c)(3)... the list is endless

You may have an issue with tax-exempts in general, or just religious ones, or ones that try to influence legislation (like Planned Parenthood). It's all legit, and I think rightfully so. Just can't endorse candidates. If you don't like the rule, then lobby to change it. Just remember, that Planned Parenthood gets huge donations from various foundations (Gates, Buffett, etc). You snip off the tax deduction, those all dry up in a heartbeat, and PP goes bye-bye.