Yeah... all his fault. Good catch bozo.

There is a viable theory that the crazy faction of Republicans, which would be most of you these days, deliberately behaved like asses for four years simply to say, as you do now, that Obama broke a promise.

You have to remember, BOAZ, that Rush Limbaugh and other prominent crazy Republicans were going so far as to see evil implications even to Obama's freaking body language starting at least with his acceptance of the Democratic nomination.

When your party's openly stated primary objective was to make Obama fail in his attempt to help America recover from the economic disaster created by the Republicans it is an insult to all Americans that these POS even write such disgusting articles and the people here who post are really no better.

these POS even write such disgusting articles

#3 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-30 10:03 AM | Reply

Danni labeling the "Washington Toast" a POS? Maybe we are seeing a slow change in the MSM. Maybe they're finally waking up from a long "Rip" slumber. Nope, the messiah broke another promise. He's been in attack mode for months and early on undercut any chance he had for adult conversation and solution to our problems. He went with the Alinsky method of demonization and he along with the whole country is paying for it.

We are more polarized than ever...

Posted by boaz

That comment reminds me of a kid who bends a toy back and forth over and over again until it breaks, then he is totally surpirised when it does break.

If you want polarization to stop, stop being a friggin' extremist.

The tea-tard movement is dead. Normal americans, who are not extreme left or right want nothing to do with the talibaptists and the terrorist tea-baggers or the looney lefties.

Actually Obama did a good job trying to bridge the gap between parties, at the expense of looking weak to his core constituency.

Polarization is a myth propagated by extremists.

There is a viable theory that the crazy faction of Republicans, which would be most of you these days, deliberately behaved like asses for four years simply to say, as you do now, that Obama broke a promise.

Bitch McConnell summed it up best that the #1 priority of the republiturds was to make Obama a one term president. Jobs, no. Economy, no. Education, no. Illegal immigration, no.

This "article" is like blaming Matthew Shepard's attack on him.

He went with the Alinsky method of demonization and he along with the whole country is paying for it.

Thanks for the laugh.

If you want polarization to stop, stop being a friggin' extremist.

That's code for "just accept our point of view". Bullshit. The nation is polarized. Obama hasnt come over to our side at all. Hell, he told the conservatives we would have to get to the back of the bus early in his campaign. He rammed healthcare down our throats without even talking to us. He has been nominating cabinet posts without getting them confirmed.

He hasnt brought us together. And since he and the democrats have acted this way, when the repubs get into office, they will do the same thing. Say fuck you to the liberals and democrats and just get our agenda done.

He rammed healthcare down our throats without even talking to us.

That gets the bullshit flag.

Yeah, we only talked about it for 60+ years.

"He hasnt brought us together. And since he and the democrats have acted this way, when the repubs get into office, they will do the same thing."

Just like they have been doing since Bill Clinton was elected.
Nothing new here, business as usual.

He rammed healthcare down our throats without even talking to us.

"hat gets the bullshit flag."

Of course. Remind us how it made it from the House, to the Senate, to the photo op using some fat retarded black kid as a prop when the liar in chief signed the crap on a cracker legislation...

"He rammed healthcare down our throats without even talking to us."

He talked to you, he even went to the Republican retreat to talk to them, don't blame him for your party's unwillingness to compromise, in fact many of them reject the whole concept of compromise.

"Obama hasnt come over to our side at all...

Say fuck you to the liberals and democrats and just get our agenda done."

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2012-01-30 11:14 AM

Compromise does not mean submit. Compromise is an art, not a one way street.

It takes TWO to Tango!

Yeah, we only talked about it for 60+ years.

#12 | Posted by Corky

Too bad he was too cowardly to post it for 48 hours, like he promised.
I think I'll start calling him Berber Obama. He lies better than carpet.

Obama's "brining everyone together" rhetoric was hollow nonsense and Obama knew this when he said it. As far as criticism of the president goes, that is very mild. This doesn't rank on the top 20 list of whoppers he's told.

I do find it humorous that people who wouldn't support Obama no matter what he does or how he reaches out to them are the ones who are saying "We are more divided than ever!". Congrats, partisan turds, you made sure Obama's unrealistic, somehwhat childish claim didn't come true. Now you may continue ruining the country. Hooray!

The nation is polarized.

Your ass is polarized.

I think I'll start calling him Berber Obama. He lies better than carpet.

Posted by wisgod at 2012-01-30 11:49 AM

The Barker in Chief selling snake oil to Corky to cure his baldness. Or PT Obama, where the suckers born every minute became Obama voters as an adult...

There are plenty of reasons to be angry with this administration, but most of the anger out there is manufactured bull shit and it muddies the legitimate criticisms.

He's hardly the cause the of all this 'polarization.'

He talked to you, he even went to the Republican retreat to talk to them, don't blame him for your party's unwillingness to compromise, in fact many of them reject the whole concept of compromise.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-30 11:43 AM | Reply

Yep, he went to the retreat when the thing was already cast in stone and most of the work on it was already done.

The nation is polarized.

Your ass is polarized.

#19 | Posted by Tosser at 2012-01-30 11:53 AM | Reply

Talking to himself?

Yah, that whole we're not going to raise the debt limit because we've taken a pledge to not raise taxes in any shape or form....

Now? Tax reform plans that cut taxes for the rich who can afford it and raise taxes on the poor and middle class who can't.

Because tax breaks for so called "job creators" have reallllllly worked out so well during the previous administration that we should all be jumping for joy.

Then call it "fair".

The economy is picking up, jobs are slowly improving, the republicans are fielding the playing field with extreemists who for some ungodly reason people will think have a better chance at "restoring" america.

The whole polical system is retarded but this pretty much takes the cake.

The GOP have turned into a bunch of sulky, balky, contrarian fucktards who will oppose any thing Obama does on principle.

They've done this accompanied by a 24/7 RW propaganda media that has played this "Everything Obama ever does is wrong" narrative relentlessly non stop since before he even took the oath of office.

Most of the criticism of Obama from the left has to do with how often he's capitulated to their BS as in the case of extending the BushCo tax cuts to the wealthy, meeting them half ways time and time again only to have them balk and move the goalposts.

The idea that he's the divisive one on this picture is too funny for words.

Honestly, how stupid do you have to be to buy into that reality defying derp?

Be Well.

on = in

Be Well.

/2nd Rule in play.

when the repubs get into office, they will do the same thing. Say fuck you to the liberals and democrats and just get our agenda done.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2012-01-30 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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BOAZ, for the life of me son, I don't know what planet you live in. Not one that includes the freaking State of Wisconsin, as but one small example.

when the repubs get into office, they will do the same thing. Say fuck you to the liberals and democrats and just get our agenda done.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2012-01-30 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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BOAZ, you're people have done everything but boil the moderates of your own Party in oil. Of course what's left in that sewer you've created will try to fuck the rest of us. It's what they said they'd do and it's what they've been trying.

when the repubs get into office, they will do the same thing. Say fuck you to the liberals and democrats and just get our agenda done.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2012-01-30 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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BOAZ, your people have done everything but boil the moderates of your own Party in oil. Of course what's left in that sewer you've created will try to fuck the rest of us. It's what they said they'd do and it's what they've been trying.

Obama did not promise to bring us together.

Bush called himself a Uniter, not a Divider. That was the lie.

This is not about Bush.

This is about Obama's failure.

#31 | Posted by Eddie at 2012-01-30 07:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

That isn't what the headline says Eddie. It says Obama promised to bring us together.

That is a lie.

Obama did not promise to bring us together.

However, Bush said he was a Uniter, not a Divider.

Does the truth hurt you?

Obama compromises

And bipartisanship may well be at the top President Obama's list of resolutions for the New Year. His recent success finding compromise between Democrats and Republicans produced a flurry of legislative victories in the lame-duck session that wrapped up last week.

Obama compromises

By compromising with House Republicans to avoid a potentially ruinous national default, Mr. Obama will seek to present himself as a responsible leader who rises above partisan politics -â€" a message tailor-made for independent voters. But the deal left many Democrats angry, and analysts said Mr. Obama would need to devote some of his time to shoring up his political base.

However, Bush said he was a Uniter, not a Divider.

Does the truth hurt you?

#32 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

I don't like Bush. I never really did. I joined the Tea Party in 2007 to protest against him. You are making this about Bush. Why? Deflecting?

That isn't what the headline says Eddie. It says Obama promised to bring us together.

That is a lie.

Oops:

Obama compromises

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's decision to maintain Bush-era military commissions is the latest in a series of compromises and delays that allies on the left see as a disappointing shift away from campaign pledges.

During his victory speech in 2008, Obama said: "I'll be a president who finally makes health care affordable and available to every single American, the same way I expanded health care in Illinois, by bringing Democrats and Republicans together to get the job done."

#35 | Posted by Eddie at 2012-01-30 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

And that's exactly what he did Eddie. He brought enough republicans and democrats together to get the job done. "The job" being health care. Nothing in there about uniting us as a nation.

However Bush's statement that he was a Uniter, not a divider does meet your critical view, but it's OK with you because Bush said it.

And that's exactly what he did Eddie. He brought enough republicans and democrats together to get the job done. "The job" being health care. Nothing in there about uniting us as a nation.

Yes. The bill was passed, but it's going to be reversed very soon because there were so many compromises that the new law does no one any good. What good is a Federal Level bill that every state rejects?

However Bush's statement that he was a Uniter, not a divider does meet your critical view, but it's OK with you because Bush said it.

Again, you are deflecting. This is not about Bush. This is about how Obama wasn't able to fulfill is promises.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong. You know know and we know it.

Anything else?

BoOb,

You ignore the fact that Obama didn't unite us. You deflect with bringing up Bush thinking that's going to cover the fact that Obama is failing miserably.

How are you not a pathetic Obama supporting political hack?

This is about how Obama wasn't able to fulfill is promises.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong. You know know and we know it.

Anything else?

#38 | Posted by Eddie at 2012-01-30 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag

Try to be honest Eddie. Obama has kept many of his promises. Here is a list that shows nine verified pages of promises Obama has kept.

You ignore the fact that Obama didn't unite us.

#39 | Posted by Eddie at 2012-01-30 08:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

You ignore the fact that Obama didn't promise to unite us.

I just proved that he did...

This debate is over unless you can prove that my link is false, but at least you tried.

Try to be honest Eddie. Obama has kept many of his promises. Here is a list that shows nine verified pages of promises Obama has kept.

#40 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

You're lying to us about Obama and you want me to be honest? I am!

You are deflecting again! We can argue about his other promises some other time.

Try to be honest Eddie. Obama has kept many of his promises. Here is a list that shows nine verified pages of promises Obama has kept.

#40 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

You're lying to us about Obama and you want me to be honest? I am!

You are deflecting again! We can argue about his other promises some other time.

Too bad you can't support your president and your country. It looks like Obama is doing a pretty good job in trying to keep his promises. Better than most.

#40 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!

Yes. Elections have consequences. That's why the Republicans and enough of them are Ron Paul Tea Party Republicans in 2010.

This is what we fondly call the American Way. If you don't like who is in office, then vote them out. That's what we did.

However, you're messiah is now mocking this process by calling it obstructionism.

Stop being a pathetic loser by deflecting and making Obama weaker than he already is.

The economy is picking up, jobs are slowly improving, the republicans are fielding the playing field with extreemists who for some ungodly reason people will think have a better chance at "restoring" America.

The whole polical system is retarded but this pretty much takes the cake.
#24 | Posted by Lohocla

we are not out of danger of entering another recession

Republicans were not open to bipartisanship. They set out to destroy Obama's presidency from day one. Mitch McConnell even said as much.

If some Republicans had been willing to work with Obama, Fox News and the right-wing talk radio gasbags would have destroyed them.

"Republicans were not open to bipartisanship. They set out to destroy Obama's presidency from day one. Mitch McConnell even said as much."

#47 | Posted by rcade

No, they set out to destroy it from day two. But here is what really happened on day one:

You might want to take your partisan blinders off and recall how Omama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel tried to "work with" Republicans by telling them we're doing it this way or "_uck You", literally.

-This "article" is like blaming Matthew Shepard's attack on him.

so obama and the dems are to be compared to Matthew Shephard?

yeah, I don't think Obama wants your help anymore. You can switch sides now.

He has enough limpwristed lefties deflecting for him and making him out to be a pussy. He doesn't need anymore.

Republicans were not open to bipartisanship. They set out to destroy Obama's presidency from day one. Mitch McConnell even said as much.

If some Republicans had been willing to work with Obama, Fox News and the right-wing talk radio gasbags would have destroyed them.

#47 | Posted by rcade

You forget that this is being said after the disaster in Washington between 2008 and 2010.

Funny how you're all knowledgeable about that, but you are completely ignorant to the catastrophe that started in 2008. Don't you remember how newly sworn in "Speaker" Pelosi marched to the Capital?

The legislation they pushed through in those two years will take decades to unravel.

So, please, don't give me bullshit about Republicans railing against Obama when the Democrats in 2 short years put us into the worst economy since the Great Depression.

Hey, this is not my opinion. This is the opinion of most voters.

You might want to take your partisan blinders off and recall how Omama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel tried to "work with" Republicans by telling them we're doing it this way or "_uck You", literally.

#48 | Posted by FreddyK

They forget that stuff.

I remember how it was. I felt dis-empowered and that's exactly what the Democrats set out to do. There is no wonder they took a shellacken in 2010.

You might want to take your partisan blinders off and recall how Omama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel tried to "work with" Republicans by telling them we're doing it this way or "_uck You", literally.

Source?

Republicans are too scared of their own base to work with a Democratic president. They even have to oppose their own ideas, like the individual mandate.

I felt dis-empowered and that's exactly what the Democrats set out to do. There is no wonder they took a shellacken in 2010.

You didn't feel disempowered. You were disempowered. That's what happens when your side loses an election.

RCADE,
Republicans may or may not support the individual mandate at the state level with absolutely no backlash. The individual mandate at the federal level is an extremely dangerous precedent.

RCADE,
But since you brought up Obamacare, you have to admit that it would have been better if Obama chose to work with Republicans to get a bipartisan bill passed instead of what he did.

Source?

ROFL!

"But since you brought up Obamacare, you have to admit that it would have been better if Obama chose to work with Republicans to get a bipartisan bill passed instead of what he did."

As if the Republicans would have agreed to any real reforms for teh health insurance industry. Preposterous.

"So, please, don't give me bullshit about Republicans railing against Obama when the Democrats in 2 short years put us into the worst economy since the Great Depression."

Yeah, we just have to believe your lie which pretends that the economy wasn't the creation of Bush and Greenspan.

"But since you brought up Obamacare, you have to admit that it would have been better if Obama chose to work with Republicans to get a bipartisan bill passed instead of what he did."

As if the Republicans would have agreed to any real reforms for teh health insurance industry. Preposterous.

"So, please, don't give me bullshit about Republicans railing against Obama when the Democrats in 2 short years put us into the worst economy since the Great Depression."

Yeah, we just have to believe your lie which pretends that the economy wasn't the creation of Bush and Greenspan.

"But since you brought up Obamacare, you have to admit that it would have been better if Obama chose to work with Republicans to get a bipartisan bill passed instead of what he did."

As if the Republicans would have agreed to any real reforms for teh health insurance industry. Preposterous.

"So, please, don't give me bullshit about Republicans railing against Obama when the Democrats in 2 short years put us into the worst economy since the Great Depression."

Yeah, we just have to believe your lie which pretends that the economy wasn't the creation of Bush and Greenspan.

Republicans are too scared of their own base to work with a Democratic president. They even have to oppose their own ideas, like the individual mandate.

#52 | Posted by rcade

Nice argument on the surface but implodes once you analyze it. Being afraid of their own base is something we like to call "Doing their job!" They are elected to represent their constituency.

Obama was doing things that became unpopular after he started. He thought he was voted in to "fix" health care. He wasn't. He was voted in because he wasn't Bush or a Neocon. That's why Newt and Mitt have no chance of winning in 2012.

Anyway, after we got into discussing what it would take to have universal health care, it quickly became unpopular and in the minds of Americans, not the truly "American" solution to this problem.

At least both Republicans and Democrats knew that there was a problem. The problem was to cover the 3% of Americans who could not get insurance and were too rich to get on Medicare. Not this bullshit lie from the Democrats that 42 million Americans can't get health insurance. You see why Republicans were fighting him? Because the American people were against him.

If Obama addressed the problem of covering the desperate 3% of Americans who can't get health insurance and would have to sell everything they have to stay alive...

then he would be a hero.

Instead, what does he do? He doesn't solve that problem and allows "children" up to 26 years old (Children????) to stay on their parents health insurance. People who WON'T afford health insurance and can get it.

ObamaCare was an abomination.

A big difference of opinion exists between the producers and the non-producers in this country.

I noticed danni is posting in this thread. Without reading her posts, let me guess what they say.

"It is the Republicans' fault that the partisan gap has widened."

How did I do?

So what you are saying Danni is that if your opponent doesn't agree with you, and you have the power act unilaterally, then you should. Did I get that right?

"The problem was to cover the 3% of Americans who could not get insurance and were too rich to get on Medicare."

No that was not the primary problem Obama was addressing, it was healthcare inflation which means that healthcare was taking a larger portion of GDP each year and would eventually bankrupt the country if not dealt with. When you don't even know why he does things it is no wonder you don't understand the solutions.

Yeah, we just have to believe your lie which pretends that the economy wasn't the creation of Bush and Greenspan.

#57 | Posted by danni

Danni, I'm glad you respond on the Retort. It gives us a chance to work out our frustrations and ridicule and abuse a representative of the ignorance in the American voter (just one side of it though)

No one is saying that Bush and Greenspan didn't create the current problem. Well, they didn't create it, but perpetuated it and you don't have the capacity to understand that (see the history of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Income Tax)

What draws us to ridicule you to no end is that you actually believe that Obama had nothing to do with postponing the rebound in the economy that started before his Administration.

Oh. You stupid partisan hack, if you are going to include Bush and Greenspan, then you forgot Barney Frank and the others.

I noticed danni is posting in this thread. Without reading her posts, let me guess what they say.

"It is the Republicans' fault that the partisan gap has widened."

How did I do?

#62 | Posted by JOE

ROFL!

"No one is saying that Bush and Greenspan didn't create the current problem. Well, they didn't create it, but perpetuated it and you don't have the capacity to understand that (see the history of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Income Tax)"

No, of course not, how could I ever measure up to the intellectual abilities of EDDIE??? You sir,are a joke.

He thought he was voted in to "fix" health care. He wasn't. He was voted in because he wasn't Bush or a Neocon.

So I voted for Obama and you didn't, but you're going to tell me why he was voted into office? Hilarious. One of the biggest reasons I supported Obama was for health reform.

Republicans may or may not support the individual mandate at the state level with absolutely no backlash. The individual mandate at the federal level is an extremely dangerous precedent.

The individual mandate was proposed nationally by the Heritage Foundation in the '90s, touted by Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney and many other politicians, and was not strongly opposed by Republicans until Obama picked it up.

Republicans are so scared today they can't even vote for their own ideas!

"The problem was to cover the 3% of Americans who could not get insurance and were too rich to get on Medicare."

No that was not the primary problem Obama was addressing, it was healthcare inflation which means that healthcare was taking a larger portion of GDP each year and would eventually bankrupt the country if not dealt with. When you don't even know why he does things it is no wonder you don't understand the solutions.

#64 | Posted by danni

OMG! Really?

Health Care inflation was happening because of Washington's involvement in the nations health care!

You idiots feed on each other while my premium continues to go up!!!!

You want cooperation from the Republicans but you ignore the source of the problems.

You deserve your misery because you have complete control over it - you create it yourself.

Early on in this thread, it occurred to me that it was full of excellent examples of how polarized we really are. Instead of engaging in civil discourse, we reduced ourselves to this:

teatard
talibaptists
terrorist teabaggers
loony lefties
republiturds
liar-in-chief
Barker in Chief
PT Obama
contrarian fucktards
messiah [referring to Obama]
limpwristed lefties
Omama

Of course, these are just the bumper-sticker sized insults.

The Retort philosophy that has served me well for years is now in question.

Ordinarily, whenever anyone argues with Danni, I'm absolutely positive that the person other than Danni is correct.

Now she's arguing with Eddie...

You want cooperation from the Republicans but you ignore the source of the problems.

Most Americans aren't covered by Medicare or Medicaid, but our premiums have been skyrocketing and private insurers have been excluding millions of people using pre-existing conditions or by refusing service.

The private insurance industry has failed tens of millions of Americans. This problem went on for decades, but Obama was the first president with the guts to use his Congressional majority to do something about it.

Republicans are so scared today they can't even vote for their own ideas!

#68 | Posted by rcade at 2012-01-31 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

It was a bad idea then and it's a bad idea now. At least when Hillary floated the idea of socialized medicine they would talk to the Republicans. O'Bugger new better though.

Anyway, this just goes to show you that unlike the Donkeys, Republicans aren't afraid to go off the plantation. ;)

Danni,

You are taking things out of context again. The person that said that was Rush Limbaugh and the quote was "his socialist agenda and I hope he fails" In other words Rush was referring to the socialist agenda of the new president not job creation. Nobody on either side is trying to keep from creating jobs, well that might not be true. It seems our president in order to stop thousands of jobs from being created has pandered to the left wing whacko's and turned down the Keystone pipeline. Guess there is someone in Washington that does not want to create jobs, or less dependency on middle eastern oil......the president.

The individual mandate was proposed nationally by the Heritage Foundation in the '90s, touted by Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney and many other politicians, and was not strongly opposed by Republicans until Obama picked it up.

Republicans are so scared today they can't even vote for their own ideas!

#68 | Posted by rcade

Wait. Now you're talking out of 2 sides of your mouth.

1. You agree that Obama brought in Republicans to pass ObamaCare.

2. And now you're saying that Republicans are too scared of their own ideas?

You also are not acknowledging that Ron Paul is not part of the Heritage Foundation which is very outspoken on Neocon ideas.

Ron Paul came on the scene over a decade ago and made a huge splash in 2007. He gathered a lot of support around the health care debate that didn't include the ideas of the Heritage Foundation.

You are calling this fear?

I'm calling it the American Way.

At least when Hillary floated the idea of socialized medicine they would talk to the Republicans. O'Bugger new better though.

Obama talked to Republicans often during the health reform debate. Remember the summit? McConnell said it was a "good discussion."

"It is the Republicans' fault that the partisan gap has widened."

How did I do?"

"MCCONNELL: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

You agree that Obama brought in Republicans to pass ObamaCare.

I didn't say he brought in Republicans. I said the individual mandate was a Republican idea in the '90s. Today's Republicans are so scared of Fox News and the Dittohead crowd they won't cross the aisle for any reason.

"Most Americans aren't covered by Medicare or Medicaid, but our premiums have been skyrocketing and private insurers have been excluding millions of people using pre-existing conditions or by refusing service."

So you don't see the relationship between higher HC costs, and forcing Insurance companies to accept those with pre-exisiting conditions? LMAO!!

You want cooperation from the Republicans but you ignore the source of the problems.

Most Americans aren't covered by Medicare or Medicaid, but our premiums have been skyrocketing and private insurers have been excluding millions of people using pre-existing conditions or by refusing service.

The private insurance industry has failed tens of millions of Americans. This problem went on for decades, but Obama was the first president with the guts to use his Congressional majority to do something about it.

#72 | Posted by rcade

Sorry, but that's bullshit.

Force states to do their job.

"The person that said that was Rush Limbaugh and the quote was "his socialist agenda and I hope he fails"

Gee, how many Republicans demanded that Rush apologize for that, how many kiss Rush's ass if he tells them to.
I don't even consider this a serious discussion, there isn't any serious person who doesn't acknowledge the hyper-partisanship of the GOP today.

"So you don't see the relationship between higher HC costs, and forcing Insurance companies to accept those with pre-exisiting conditions? LMAO!!"

Because if we don't force them to insure those people then those folks won't exist. That is apparently your argument.

"Most Americans aren't covered by Medicare or Medicaid, but our premiums have been skyrocketing and private insurers have been excluding millions of people using pre-existing conditions or by refusing service."

So you don't see the relationship between higher HC costs, and forcing Insurance companies to accept those with pre-exisiting conditions? LMAO!!

#79 | Posted by crispee_oc

They are kind of a "Let 'em Cake" kind of crowd.

The Republicans acknowledged that the problem was that 3% of Americans could not get health insurance and wanted to solve that problem.

You solve this problem at the state level and fire the Federal Regulators.

Do you realize that the IRS is going to put you in jail or take you home at gun point if you don't buy health insurance?

How is this not a tax? How is this not Socialism?

And you are (ROFL) saying that this is a Conservative idea?

"So you don't see the relationship between higher HC costs, and forcing Insurance companies to accept those with pre-exisiting conditions? LMAO!!"

Because if we don't force them to insure those people then those folks won't exist. That is apparently your argument.

#82 | Posted by danni

The state has the means to take care of these people.

What do you mean they don't exist?

Danni, we are trying to ridicule you into having an adult conversation but when you don't get your way, then you behave like a child!

The Conservatives had a plan to handle this and the Democrats ignored it.

"Do you realize that the IRS is going to put you in jail or take you home at gun point if you don't buy health insurance?"

Do you realize you're lying?

"How is this not a tax?"

The same way forcing elders onto Medicare isn't considered a tax.

"The person that said that was Rush Limbaugh and the quote was "his socialist agenda and I hope he fails"

Gee, how many Republicans demanded that Rush apologize for that, how many kiss Rush's ass if he tells them to.
I don't even consider this a serious discussion, there isn't any serious person who doesn't acknowledge the hyper-partisanship of the GOP today.

#81 | Posted by danni

So take your ball and go home then.

We are proving to you that when the President fails, then there are processes that take over to remedy the situation.

You call it "partisanship" and we call it the American Way.

BTW, we are having a serious conversation about it. You're losing the argument.

"Do you realize that the IRS is going to put you in jail or take you home at gun point if you don't buy health insurance?"

Eddie, you just pulled that straight out of your ass.

"We are proving to you that when the President fails, then there are processes that take over to remedy the situation."

You are proving nothing except that you are a pathetic liar.

"Do you realize that the IRS is going to put you in jail or take you home at gun point if you don't buy health insurance?"

Do you realize you're lying?

"How is this not a tax?"

The same way forcing elders onto Medicare isn't considered a tax.

#85 | Posted by Danforth

Wow! Thank you.

That case is closed.

(Let him leave thinking he won an argument over semantics...)

"The Conservatives had a plan to handle this and the Democrats ignored it."

Actually they did, Republican Mitt Romney specifically. Newt Gingrich agreed with it back then too. Heritage Foundation as well.

The only reason they oppose it now is because Obama proposed it and passed it.

"MCCONNELL: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."
#77 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-31 11:23 AM

Spoken by Drudge's version of Wasaman-Skank from Florida. One can only imagine danni probably has the same breathtaking looks...

Ironically, the Senate Dems have done nothing in the last year. Haven't passed a budget in what three years now? Have only passed three bills to the Pres since last Jan and shelved about 30? McConnell seems to be leading by following, and the Senate Repubs know letting Harry and his gay cowboy poetry loving party have their way helps them this November...

"Do you realize you're lying?"

So the IRS needs 16,000 more people not to enforce the Obamacare fine? LMAO!!!

"Do you realize that the IRS is going to put you in jail or take you home at gun point if you don't buy health insurance?"

Eddie, you just pulled that straight out of your ass.

#87 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-31 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

"We are proving to you that when the President fails, then there are processes that take over to remedy the situation."

You are proving nothing except that you are a pathetic liar.

#88 | Posted by danni

Really?

Danni, let me explain something to you about the IRS. If you don't pay what they want you to pay, they take your home. If you don't leave your home when they come to take it, they will point a gun at you. If you fight, they will either kill you or send you to jail.

Does this happen when you refuse to pay your Macy's bill?

Are you really going to argue and behave like a baby by calling me a liar?

Because if we don't force them to insure those people then those folks won't exist. That is apparently your argument.

no, the argument is that the insurance companies intend to make a profit off those folks too.

If I insure 100,000 homes and I refuse to insure 3,000 homes because they are currently on fire or about to catch on fire, and the govt tells me I have to take those 3,000 homes.....I'm gonna respond with, "sure, I'll take them but I won't lose money on this".

The govt's response to that is, "then don't lose money on that. we are gonna force you to take those 3,000 homes but we aren't gonna force you to go broke doing it....get enough premium from everyone to cover it"

Insurance company says, "okay...great".

after that deal was cut, we passed Obamacare.

"Ironically, the Senate Dems have done nothing in the last year. Haven't passed a budget in what three years now? Have only passed three bills to the Pres since last Jan and shelved about 30?"

Meanwhile the Senate Republicans block appointments and filibuster bills but Crispee apparently isn't aware of that.

"So the IRS needs 16,000 more people not to enforce the Obamacare fine?"

So correlation is suddenly causation?

The IRS has been overworked and understaffed for some time. Tinkering with the tax code, one of Obama's favorite dumbass things, puts a much greater burden on the service, all while cutting its budget.

Actually they did, Republican Mitt Romney specifically. Newt Gingrich agreed with it back then too. Heritage Foundation as well.

The only reason they oppose it now is because Obama proposed it and passed it.

It seems to me that all we have to do is remove one person from office in order to enjoy some real progress.

Either that or we have to remove a ton of other folks in order to enjoy that same progress.

which sounds easier?

"let me explain something to you about the IRS. If you don't pay what they want you to pay, they take your home. If you don't leave your home when they come to take it, they will point a gun at you. If you fight, they will either kill you or send you to jail. "

Now let me explain.

The IRS doesn't do any of that over a small amount like this.

"Ironically, the Senate Dems have done nothing in the last year. Haven't passed a budget in what three years now? Have only passed three bills to the Pres since last Jan and shelved about 30?"

Meanwhile the Senate Republicans block appointments and filibuster bills but Crispee apparently isn't aware of that.

#95 | Posted by danni

This is not deflecting...

ROFL.

"Meanwhile the Senate Republicans block appointments and filibuster bills but Crispee apparently isn't aware of that."

They have blocked appointments for the same reason they blocked the cronie Obama appointed to the NLRB. Not that it has one iota to do with what I posted. But then again, danni in her incredible stupidity has yet to figure out why the Senate dems have not bothered to even write up a budget.

"CBO projects $1.08T deficit for 2012"

"If I insure 100,000 homes and I refuse to insure 3,000 homes because they are currently on fire or about to catch on fire, and the govt tells me I have to take those 3,000 homes.....I'm gonna respond with, "sure, I'll take them but I won't lose money on this".

Hmmmm.....solution needed.....hey we'll make it so that EVERYONE has to buy insurance so that we won't have many uninsured who have to buy insurance after they have some disease. We'll call it a mandate and it will prevent the problem before it happens. Yay!

...and I'm sure his being Black had nothing to do with it...

we all know that white southerners (many of which are G.O.P.)
still have a few hangups in this area...

just saying...

"Hmmmm.....solution needed.....hey we'll make it so that EVERYONE has to buy insurance so that we won't have many uninsured who have to buy insurance after they have some disease. We'll call it a mandate and it will prevent the problem before it happens. Yay!"

Newt! Mitt! Be quiet!!! Let's wait till the Dems agree....

"danni in her incredible stupidity has yet to figure out why the Senate dems have not bothered to even write up a budget."

I'm incredibly stupid but I know that the budget isn't written in the Senate. All Appropriations Bills originate in the House.

---So the IRS needs 16,000 more people not to enforce the Obamacare fine?---

"So correlation is suddenly causation?"

Not in this case. Does correlation always imply caustation?

What it does reflect is the circus how this bill was written, debated, passed and signed by the Turd in Chief. Like the stupid 1099 rule, waivers for donors, unions, states... Now we know they needed to add 16,000 IRS agents on one hand, yet on the other there is no enforcement mechanism in the law...

Gee maybe all will voluntarily sign up or pay the fine and all we should do is trust them like we trust this garbage of legislation.

I'm incredibly stupid but I know that the budget isn't written in the Senate. All Appropriations Bills originate in the House.

Should have stuck with the first few words danni and stopped after stupid...

How many passed budgets made it to the Senate when Pelosi was in charge of the House?

"Now we know they needed to add 16,000 IRS agents on one hand, yet on the other there is no enforcement mechanism in the law... "

Tax laws are added and repealed all the time. Do you actually have a point which addresses the fact the IRS has been woefully understaffed?

"Gee maybe all will voluntarily sign up or pay the fine and all we should do is trust them like we trust this garbage of legislation."

And if Newt or Mitt had been pushing it, you'd be giving him your Herman Cain treatment.

The budget process starts with the President who submits a proposal to Congress. Either house of Congress can start their end of it.

"We'll call it a mandate and it will prevent the problem before it happens. Yay!"

Now simply apply that to yourself and all your fat, lazy dem friends who make up the 60% of the obesity...

The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, as codified in Title 31 of the United States Code, established the statutory basis for an executive budget process by requiring the President to submit to Congress annually a proposed budget for the federal government.

Link in 108

We'll call it a mandate and it will prevent the problem before it happens. Yay!

behind the curtain, both parties are in favor of a mandate. neither wants to be stuck with that label, though.

#101 | POSTED BY DANNI

..and if they don't, we'll charge them a small fee, which will be cheap compared to an actual insurance premium. Once they get sick, they'll just sign up for insurance because they can't be denied! Yay!

..and we won't force EVERYONE to do it, especially those large unions and corporations that donate large amounts of money to our campaigns....

We'll call it a mandate and it will prevent the problem before it happens. Yay!"

where are we on the constitutionality of this specific provision?

If gets tossed on those grounds, where are we on this then? If we don't force those folks to buy, and at the same time we force carriers to accept them with no pre-existing condition exclusion, how many folks currently buying insurance will drop it?

I know several folks who will do exactly that as soon as the fear of being denied coverage is removed.

Tax laws are added and repealed all the time. Do you actually have a point which addresses the fact the IRS has been woefully understaffed?

Are you really that fucking slow? Have you not been paying attention to the actual context? Explain why Obamcare sets aside $10 billion dollars for IRS agencies? Then answer if in fact there is a penalty which the IRS will enforce...

BTW, we are having a serious conversation about it. You're losing the argument.

If you have to declare yourself the winner of an argument, you're probably losing.

If you have to declare yourself the winner of an argument, you're probably losing.

well, you could be right, but usually do that when I have to leave.....

Sorry, but that's bullshit. Force states to do their job.

I don't see why the federal government had to pass the buck to the states. That argument seems like a cop out to me. You wouldn't be for Obama's health reform if the same thing was passed in your state either.

well, you could be right, but usually do that when I have to leave.....

That I can appreciate.

"Explain why Obamcare sets aside $10 billion dollars for IRS agencies?"

There's always a smorgasboard of tax law changes or enforcements with dollar signs next to them, when politicians need to offset costs with revenues. Recent research has shown tax cheating could be the difference between balancing the budget and hundreds-of-billions in deficits. And $10 billion to the IRS is a revenue-producing investment, as far as the governmental bottom line.

"Then answer if in fact there is a penalty which the IRS will enforce..."

That penalty is one of a myriad of new responsibilities heaped on the IRS. To pretend it's the sole reason for the hiring is silly.

There's always a smorgasboard of tax law changes or enforcements with dollar signs next to them, when politicians need to offset costs with revenues.

if i wanted my bill to be revenue neutral then why would i allocate $10 billion to an agency unless it was directly related to what my bill is trying to accomplish?

Is the $10 billion related to the enforcement of obamacare or not?

-To pretend it's the sole reason for the hiring is silly.

has Obama, the dems, or the IRS said anything to the contrary? that there are other reasons they want to add that much staff?

Hating Obama causes brain damage and is part of the "Obama Derangement syndrome". Instead of finding and supporting a candidate to go against Obama they spend all their time hating, really sad.

"I do find it humorous that people who wouldn't support Obama no matter what he does or how he reaches out to them are the ones who are saying "We are more divided than ever!". Congrats, partisan turds, you made sure Obama's unrealistic, somehwhat childish claim didn't come true. Now you may continue ruining the country. Hooray!
#18 | Posted by Sully"

Good post Sully. NW flag for you.

"..and we won't force EVERYONE to do it, especially those large unions and corporations that donate large amounts of money to our campaigns...."

Please, PLEASE educate yourself as to the waivers before you embarrass yourself. Here's an example of a Union "waiver".

In a lot of situations, Unions have an earnings threshold to qualify for a year's worth of health care. Eligibility is determined with each rolling quarter, and as soon as the worker qualifies, their fiscal year of coverage begins at the start of the following quarter. This isn't "no" coverage, or even "less" coverage. In the big picture, it's actually more coverage.

But it requires a waiver.

"That penalty is one of a myriad of new responsibilities heaped on the IRS. To pretend it's the sole reason for the hiring is silly."

Yet before your answer was they were needed because of the 1099 rule which was to help finance the Obamacare. Now that they waived it, why haven't they waived the need for the extra 16,000?

BTW, we are having a serious conversation about it. You're losing the argument.

If you have to declare yourself the winner of an argument, you're probably losing.

#116 | Posted by rcade

Actually, Danni was saying that we were not having a conversation [argument].

I was correcting her.

And, she was losing mostly because she was bickering and deflecting.

Any questions?

In 2001????

What the hell, obama wasn't even known.

Republicans may or may not support the individual mandate at the state level with absolutely no backlash. The individual mandate at the federal level is an extremely dangerous precedent.

Why? If you're being screwed, what difference does it make who does the screwing?

Why? If you're being screwed, what difference does it make who does the screwing?

Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2012-01-31 03:18 PM |

Because of the Constitution. There are very clear separations between what the Fed can do and what States can do and, many times, the states have more room to move with laws like this than the Fed. That pesky 10th Amendment closes the door on assumed powers.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Not a lot of wiggle room there. If the Constitution does not say the Fed CAN do something, then they can't, period. If it doesn't speak of it, then it is a right of the state and the people.

Any failure zero has is somebody else's fault. Those that voted for this incompetent community organizer is to blame for believing his endless line of complete BS. That he was going to be a "uniter" was simply another campaign promise with the goal of getting elected. That some cannot see broken promises based upon truly unachievable ambitions from a politician is amazing if not mind blowing.

Lemmings over the cliff ... wait for it ... BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!!

"Any failure zero has is somebody else's fault"
.
Yes, like he failed to get Bin Laden, like he failed in the hostage rescue, like he failed in the demise of that dictator
Read latest Newsweek story "Obama's Shadow War", his successes with using Navy Seals.
I certainly like what he has done. The only fault I see is your stupidity.

Why? If you're being screwed, what difference does it make who does the screwing?

Posted by FedUpWithPols

So...Being mandated to do the responsible thing (because let's face it you obviously need to be told what the responsible thing is) is "being screwed" according to you?

You sound like a teenager.

If the Constitution does not say the Fed CAN do something, then they can't, period. If it doesn't speak of it, then it is a right of the state and the people.

#131 | Posted by kanrei

The Commerce Clause IS in the Constitution.

So, I guess they can do it.

FTA,
"Out of the ten most partisan years in terms of presidential job approval in Gallup data, seven â€" yes, seven â€" have come since 2004. Bush had a run between 2004 and 2007 in which the partisan disparity of his job approval was at 70 points or higher."

Yet Obama, at 68 points, is the most polarizing president ever?

How about another Gallup poll:
Gallup's bottom line:

Given a choice, Americans are fairly evenly divided in their preferences for whether President Obama or the Republicans in Congress should have more influence over the course of the nation during the next year, with Obama having a slight edge.

Obama's slightly better positioning is consistent with the president's usual advantage on this question, with Americans generally preferring the opposition party in Congress only when the president is highly unpopular. Obama is certainly not popular at the moment, but on a relative basis he is more popular than the Republicans in Congress.

He went with the Alinsky method of demonization and he along with the whole country is paying for it.

#4 | Posted by matsop at 2012-01-30 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hey Stupid, you do now that Saul Alinksy died when President Obama was ten years old, no?

I love hearing 'Alinksy' in the rightards posts. It let's me know who takes their marching orders from Glenn 'Sobbing Bitch' Beck and helps pinpoint the loons.

The Fact that the American People elected an African-American as President was clearly not going to make the Racist in this Country, accept him or his policies. I truly believe that 30% of all American if given a choice would vote to reinstate SLAVERY in this Country. So this is whats taring this Country apart RACISM OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ITS LEMMINGS, the audacity of the Democrats and Independents to go ahead and elect a BLACK MAN is an affront to everything the Republican Party has been saying for the past 60 Years.....Make no mistake this isn't about Policy its about RACISM!!!!!!

The Republican Party hates Saul Alinsky because in the 1930's he was one of the first White man to help Organize the Civil Rights Movement in this Country....REPUBLICANS DON'T LIKE BLACK PEOPLE!!!!!

When speaking of obama and gaps I did not know if they meant the deficit or the creditability gap.

The headline is bullshit. The highest gap is Shrub at 76% by the data in the article. The only reason for bringing up the "third year" is to make Obama look as bad as possible. Obama is a chameleon. He does not take a principaled stand on anything. All he does is compromise til the cows come home. The only reason to hate someone like that is race.

Bush on the other hand murdered a million innocent people without cause and lost the Iraq War, signing a peace treaty promising to get out in 2011 which stupid Rethugs now blame Obama for. Then he threw away the Constitution and Bill of Rights, imposed wiretapping even before 9-11. He never let the opposition get near him because he's a coward, which his military record confirms. Shrub's plans to create the "ownership society" morphed into the greatest economic calamity since the great depression. Worse than the great depression because, despite widespread poverty then there were no credit cards and little or no debt. Shrub's invoking of torture and everything else in the "Patriot Act" is a complete betrayal of our founding principals. His passage of new bankruptcy laws was pure class warfare. With these actions Shrub forever changed our status in the world, as strong moral leaders.

The Banks own Shrub, Obama and almost everyone else in Washington. By bending every rule in their own favor they have brought the country and theworld to the edge of a cliff. Being class warriors, they are prepared to send everyone over the cliff if they can make a buck in the process. That is the sad truth.

Norway and Sweden fought this battle 80 years ago, drove the 1% out of full control while preserving their right to ownership, and launched new deal like projects which has led to a standard of living, devoid of poverty and stupidity, that is the envy of the world. When their Banks cratered they fired the CEOs and made the stockholders take the hit. These countries enjoy low rents, free health care and education for all. They are not perfect societies, but anyone willing to work there can make it.

"These countries enjoy low rents, free health care and education for all. They are not perfect societies, but anyone willing to work there can make it."

#141 | Posted by nutcase

Next you'll be telling us that Ikea makes really quality furniture.

When your party's openly stated primary objective was to make Obama fail in his attempt to help America recover from the economic disaster created by the Republicans it is an insult to all Americans that these POS even write such disgusting articles and the people here who post are really no better.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-30 10:03 AM |

again my friend from east of here mimics and repeats points striaght from her hero...wasserman-schultz....

FACT is...again...the land of chronkite is long gone...thats the place in our past where a kindly old gentleman on tv talked to us for 30 mins and then says
"AND THATS THE WAY IT IS"

and now we know that then and for sure now..THATS not ALWAYS the way anything is.....

and to put it more grossly....we will not allow the left to bend us over and you know what to our PROVERBIAL you know what ANY MORE...

you've fucked us over for the last time without an answer, rebut, and the plain and simple truths to issue the left FEELS GOOD about even while knowing they are full of shit

yOU AINT IN KANSAS ANYMORE !!!!!!!

yOU AINT IN KANSAS ANYMORE !!!!!!!

#143 | Posted by afkabl2

and thank yer lucky stars and four leaf clovers for that my friend....Kansas pretty much sucks or rather blows.

we will not allow the left to bend us over and you know what to our PROVERBIAL you know what ANY MORE...

really? We had to put up with Bush for 8 YEARS! And you are bitching after 3? Best make sure you got yer happy pills all ready cause you got 5 more years bro.

The Partisan Gap is widening in spite of the fact that Liberals and Democrats have actually moved toward the moderate center (pulled by Obama).

This can only mean the Tea Baggers like AFKBabble have gone so far off the deep end of being rightwing nutjobs they appear to be pulling everyone in their party with them.