Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, January 30, 2012

The environmental activist Erin Brockovich was prevented from testing the area around a New York high school where 10 to 12 female students have suffered Tourette's-like symptoms. LeRoy High School prevented Brocokovich's team from taking samples. Brockovich said she's looking into a 1970 train accident that spilled cyanide and the industrial solvent trichloroethene near the school.

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Mystery teen illness: Brokovich team meets resistance

"... the school placed locks on all the entrances to the sports field, NBC's Rochester, NY, station reported Saturday. Local police and a school security guard initially refused to allow the Brokovich crew on school grounds until the school superintendent and a district spokesman arrived. Officials agreed to let parents, Bowcock and his team walk the grounds, without media, as long as they didn't take any samples."

So that's pretty obvious - to the extent who would be surprised if the parents hung that principal from the nearest tree? He's obviously taking sides against their children's health - people kill over that shit.

Cockblockoviched.

Why do they need permission to take samples?

Why do they need permission to take samples?

#3 | Posted by fwthom

Tis called trespassing

Tis called trespassing

#4 | Posted by truthhurts

On PUBLIG property. Go figure.

Tis called trespassing

#4 | Posted by truthhurts

On PUBLIG property. Go figure.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at

well Board of Education property to be correct.

and play this out a little bit, Erin collects some samples and what do those results mean? Nothing, they are a potential plaintive's non verifiable results. Why should the school open itself to such liability? They should, appropriately rely on the appropriate public entities: From Reitze's article

"The State Health Department has tested the school and ruled out environmental factors."

It's New York. They have to make sure that the Unions are not to blame before they can start allowing outsiders the ability to look into it and sue the City.

On PUBLIG property. Go figure.

#5 | Posted by Sniper

Public property or not, you can't just walk in and start digging it up.

BTW what brokovich is doing IS grandstanding.

There are simple and effective processes to go about collecting appropriate samples to indicate TCE or cyanide are contributing or causing this health problem. Presumably the State BoH did the appropriate tests on the school ground.

Brokovich could easily find appropriate offsite locations to collect samples that would further illucidate whether that former spill is causing health issues for the students.

of course the record on the health effects of cyanide and TCE exposure would say that they are NOT the cause of the girls issues. If they were the effects would be far more wide spread and/or associated with other health effects.

accompanied by other health effects

BTW it is especially poor engineering to just collect samples from a site. you must consider the exposure path, contaminant properties, etc.

This spill happened 40+ years ago, the likelihood that contaminants would remain on the ground surface (of a HIGHLY trafficed sports field) at this late date is ludicrous.

well Board of Education property to be correct.

#6 | Posted by truthhurts

Seems like that is tax payer money there ace. Doesn't that make it public property? It is owned by the PUBLIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is owned by the Board of Education and as such you are correct it is Public land. it is also Public land that is controlled, operated and maintained by your Representatives. Your Representatives act in ways to protect the Public good. In this case by preventing a grandstanding publicity whore from collecting useless, nonsensical samples that would likely be used against the Board (ie against the public)

Dont like it, dont live in a representative democracy

#12 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2012-01-30 11:23 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Joy. Another one of those idiots who doesn't understand what "public property" means.

Sniper thinks he can drive his RV onto a school property and live there ad infinitum

Doesn't that make it public property?

Public schools are not entirely public forums, therefore the administrators have the ability to restrict access to the public, especially when class is in session.

Try and walk into a judges chambers in the courthouse.

Presumably the State BoH did the appropriate tests on the school ground.

Presumably somebody did something, or not.

Buy you're probably right about the time past.

Tourette's ? I blame rap music.

And, of course, the Unions.

todayhealth.today.msnbc.msn.co
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Both the state and the local school district did extensive testing of the school grounds to see if there might be any signs of an infectious disease or some toxin the girls might have come in contact with. All those tests came back negative.

oh, wait I'm sorry the state and local school districts and their professionals are all incompetent and corrupt.

Seems like that is tax payer money there ace. Doesn't that make it public property? It is owned by the PUBLIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#12 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2012-01-30 11:23 AM | REPLY | FLAG

ya, and we'd like to go do a bunch of borings to take samples out of the groundwater to see if we can file suit.

I don't think so. Maybe file a suit first, then get the appropriate orders. can't have people digging up public property (probably shutting down portions of the school) like that. sorry....

Truthhurts POV sucks if your kid is sick and that's the designated school - can't afford another one ... can't take a sample? Sounds like they're HIDING SOMETHING.

7--Somebody, predictably, went there. I hope this poster was joking. If not, he/she is extremely ignorant.

That said, this is horrifying. The environmental issues around schools are quite frightening.

I don't think they are hiding anything. Personally I think that the "powers that be" simply want to insure that they are able to control how this event is portrayed (spun).

Truthhurts POV sucks if your kid is sick and that's the designated school - can't afford another one ... can't take a sample? Sounds like they're HIDING SOMETHING.

#20 | Posted by reitze

Not at all reitze, there is a huge difference between indifference and allowing any crackpot access to the school. The school did the right thing,they allowed the appropriate authorities to perform the assumingly appropriate analysis. It would be irresponsible for the school to let any crackpot onto their grounds to collect samples.

There is a science (and an artform) to collecting samples. There is a right way and a wrong way. Randomly collecting samples from someplace is the opposite of good science. It is POOR science and obviously the way this is played out in the media to create an issue to sue over.

I mean for real! Showing up at a sight with your own media? that is bullshit grandstanding nothing more nothing less.

The appropriate place to start the sampling (assume the school is a potential source of an environmental factor) is the interior of the school. A relatively simple indoor air test (and presumably this is what the State BoH took) would indicate whether TCE was in the air at the school.

There are other risk assessment tools that are used to jive the observed effect with the potential contaminants of concern. Does TCE or cyanide SHOW through lab testing these types of health effects?

It is completely ignorant to assume the school (and the public health agencies) havent properly investigated this issue. It is copletely ignorant to think the school is hiding something. Why?

Cause the school and the BoH would love to point to an environmental factor so that they have a responsible party to go after.

Think Jello.

So truth-hurts with no fucking data now dosen't it. Or are you going to lay out the links why you think its ignorant to assume the school and health agencies aren't perfect? Why? Is it worth your kids life? Damn you love that boot lick taste. If the cause is unknown then more people looking for evidence of anything is helpful - unless you're on the side of trying to hide something.

You prolly think they're making it up right? Like South Park: Le Petit Tourette.

So truth-hurts with no fucking data now dosen't it. Or are you going to lay out the links why you think its ignorant to assume the school and health agencies aren't perfect? Why? Is it worth your kids life? Damn you love that boot lick taste. If the cause is unknown then more people looking for evidence of anything is helpful - unless you're on the side of trying to hide something.

You prolly think they're making it up right? Like South Park: Le Petit Tourette.

#25 | Posted by reitze

hahaha, trust me I know a heck of alot more on the subject than you.

the State BoH is not perfect, never said they were, but they are far more qualified than a grandstanding media whore collecting random samples at a school.

Despite your dramatics, let us focus on the facts, the cause is unknown, true. But it has been reported that the health issue is NOT from environmental factors.

That is based on the appropriate and qualified entities performing tests.

Randomly collecting useless samples only takes away from addressing the problem. It diverts attention to where it should be, it gives false hope or impressions to the afflicted families. It wastes resources better used elsewhere.

Again, there is a science to investigating these types of occurrances and wily nily collecting random samples is simply bad science.

And the way Brokvich went about it tells me one thing. She is more interested in a media storm than in finding out what is going on.

But it has been reported that the health issue is NOT from environmental factors.

Brokovich was blaming a spill in 2003 by a rail shipment of toxic chemicals. So why did it take 8 years?

We are required by law to send our children to public school yet they won't let the dirt be tested to see if it's safe... something is wrong here..

I think all those kids probably have the same father. Find him and you'll solve the mystery.

trust me I know a heck of alot more on the subject than you.

Usually when someone says this there is reason to believe the opposite.

We are required by law to send our children to public school yet they won't let the dirt be tested to see if it's safe... something is wrong here..
Posted by yzplnxg

Who said they won't let the dirt be tested? They just wouldn't let Erin Brokovich come out of nowhere making the issue her pet. There is a legal way to get a sample if you wanted it. She didn't go that route. I bet she probably thought that her other assets would work for her.

Truthhurts putting ones head in the sand. Not taking samples and stoping someone who would is ignorant. If she turned up something controvercial she could suggest more study of whatever she found. Like her suggestion about the train wreck. She didn't say it was the cause, just a possibility. But rather than letting someone check a soil sample you call it bad science while saying trust the authorities and that civilians doing their own investigations are bad. Well I smell a rat - truthhurts stinks. Expert arrogance is useless. If you provided links and data it might help others. But instead you criticize their last hope. What an ass.

We are required by law to send our children to public school

Just another thing you are wrong about.

She didn't say it was the cause, just a possibility. But rather than letting someone check a soil sample you call it bad science while saying trust the authorities and that civilians doing their own investigations are bad.

Fine. Then I suggest Erin go through legal channels to get permission to get the sample.

Until then, she is grandstanding.

"The State Health Department has tested the school and ruled out environmental factors."

If you don't know what you're looking for, chances are you won't find it. In other words, did the tests performed by the State Health Department include tests for the specific chemicals that were spilled as a result of the train derailment?

Fine. Then I suggest Erin go through legal channels to get permission to get the sample. Until then, she is grandstanding.
#33 | Posted by 726 at 2012-01-30 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag: WTF?

What legal channels? She got blocked by a politician ordering cops to block her and now has the place on lock-down. There's no official process for collecting a few cups of dirt from the playground. Or is the school making its sample-data public now? I'd be surprised so close to Love Canal.

She's not grandstanding when the people charged with finding the truth are instead hiding something. That's called speaking the truth and searching for the evidence to learn more.

#35 bullshit. no citizen can just go start conducting samples (which are destructive, by the way) in a total fishing expedition with no other evidence. there are legal channels. they are: (1) go to the regulatory authority (i.e. local environmental health dept.); (2) do a FOIA request on everything on the site, the accident, etc; (3) have the kids tested by experts to see if it's related to eviro problem at/near school (seems as though there is no linkage established yet); (4) if there is evidence, then an attorney (Which she is not) can file suit on behalf of the kids, and have a court order pursuant to the legal process.

Until then, this is grandstanding.

"What legal channels? She got blocked by a politician ordering cops to block her and now has the place on lock-down."

You can't just go up to a school saying that you believe the school is contaminated and demand they provide samples. If she believes that the city is hiding results, she needs more than conjecture, she needs some kind of evidence and a plaintiff with standing to bring the issue before the court.

"There's no official process for collecting a few cups of dirt from the playground."

And there is probably no way her samples would be admissible. If she had put a little thought into it she could have gotten her samples (she could have worked with parents) and brought those sample results to a court to justify getting an officially obtained sample, but she banked on her ego and her celebrity and her rack to get her what she wanted, marching up to the school like that.

Maybe the soil should be tested. I don't know. But her methods did not help her cause.

If I were on the school board and anyone had any ideas of how to investigate the problem further.. I would encourage them or anyone to help.. Just makes sense to not rule something out until you find out what's causing the problem.. I don't beleive it's stress related.

Also, why personally attack someone over this issue? Remember there a children suffering here.

#36

Somoco puts it more plainly than I did.

But it has been reported that the health issue is NOT from environmental factors.

Brokovich was blaming a spill in 2003 by a rail shipment of toxic chemicals. So why did it take 8 years?

#27 | Posted by 726 at

1970 spill, though if residual compounds were left in the soil and groundwater they could cause health effects years later.

However, thosse health effects are not the likely effects from TCE and Cyanide exposure

We are required by law to send our children to public school yet they won't let the dirt be tested to see if it's safe... something is wrong here..

#28 | Posted by yzplnxg

testing the dirt is nonsensical if there is no exposure pathway or if there is no reason to believe the dirt was ever impacted.

Usually when someone says this there is reason to believe the opposite.

#29 | Posted by Tedly

25 years experience says differently

Truthhurts putting ones head in the sand. Not taking samples and stoping someone who would is ignorant. If she turned up something controvercial she could suggest more study of whatever she found. Like her suggestion about the train wreck. She didn't say it was the cause, just a possibility. But rather than letting someone check a soil sample you call it bad science while saying trust the authorities and that civilians doing their own investigations are bad. Well I smell a rat - truthhurts stinks. Expert arrogance is useless. If you provided links and data it might help others. But instead you criticize their last hope. What an ass.

#31 | Posted by reitze

and bringing a media circus to collect samples says a great deal about what brokovich is doing. Who is the slub that was going to collect the samples? Is he a geologist, engineer, environmental scientists with the experience and qualifications to collect a sample?

It is a distraction, nothing more nothing less.

Where was the spill in relation to the school? If the spill didnt occur on the school premises, then the transportation model would have been infiltration to the groundwater table and movement along the groundwater table. Sampling the field has nothing to do with the spill then.

#36, 39, You fucking idiots act like there's a court case before they even know the cause of the sickness. If someone found something to grandstand about there'd be reason to get official samples in the works fast. But no that's not happening. That maybe reasonable if we could analyze how they got to that conclusion but instead they've hidden their reasons like GUILTY PEOPLE DO.

Stopping individuals from doing independent investigation so that it can be done "officially" os obfusification and assinine. It burries the truth. And its not a stretch to assume they're hiding something - just like has been done in most every other case of this nature. Like I said its not that far from Love Canal (Lois Gibbs).

"The State Health Department has tested the school and ruled out environmental factors."

If you don't know what you're looking for, chances are you won't find it. In other words, did the tests performed by the State Health Department include tests for the specific chemicals that were spilled as a result of the train derailment?

#34 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

TO-15 or TO-15LL are standard air tests that look for volatile organic compounds. The appropriate investigation would be to perform these tests in the school and in the subgrade below the school. TCE is a targetted compound in these analysis and the results would indicate whether TCE was the problem.

PResumably the BoH would perform other standard Risk Assessment activities including looking at other sources of air pollution or exposure, and including an understanding of the effects the environmental factors would have on humans.

For a BoH to make a statement that environmental factors were not a cause of the problem means they did alot of due diligence on the subject.

The media has already shined the light on the cover-up by the school system. Or is there a website you're going to show where they've suddenly become pro-active rather than maintaining their denial.

Have they ruled out sick building syndrome? (how?) Those VOCs like the amines used for humidity can be pretty nasty.

#36, 39, You fucking idiots act like there's a court case before they even know the cause of the sickness.

TH: Correct and why should the school open itself to liability by permitting some grandstander to collect uncontrolled samples?

If someone found something to grandstand about there'd be reason to get official samples in the works fast. But no that's not happening. That maybe reasonable if we could analyze how they got to that conclusion but instead they've hidden their reasons like GUILTY PEOPLE DO.

TH: that is because you are being hysterical and are ignorant of how pollutants impact people.

Stopping individuals from doing independent investigation so that it can be done "officially" os obfusification and assinine. It burries the truth. And its not a stretch to assume they're hiding something - just like has been done in most every other case of this nature. Like I said its not that far from Love Canal (Lois Gibbs).

#44 | Posted by reitze

TH: What buries the truth is the media uproar over Brokovich. She hints at things that could be a problem, and those hints make people like you jump off the deep end. She has been successful. However, any good Risk Assessment will consider anything that Brokovich brings to the table. And you speak of hiding something? What on earth would the BoE's motivatin for that? Hiding it will always make things a heck of a lot worse for them and they know that. And if they can point to an outside entity as being responsible? That would be great.

The media has already shined the light on the cover-up by the school system. Or is there a website you're going to show where they've suddenly become pro-active rather than maintaining their denial.

Have they ruled out sick building syndrome? (how?) Those VOCs like the amines used for humidity can be pretty nasty.

#46 | Posted by reitze

There is no cover up.

They have been pro active by getting the BoH involved

I am sure that they looked at sick building syndrom.

VOCs have specific health impacts and would be evident in other ways, headaches by the majority of students/staff as one major short term exposure symptom that cannot be hidden.

Sounds better though idealistic there TH.

I do still disagree about independent research, w/o that we're totally fucked. If they want the truth then putting liability ahead of independent investigators stinks. If a child can walk on the playground then stopping an adult from picking up a handful of dirt is so absurd that it creates suspicion.

And what if someone in town has some bio-testing equip? Id say let them go see what they can see and IF they find anything POSSIBLY DANGEROUS then WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT. Meanwhile anyone blocked like Erin should make 10x that amount of noise. Otherwise they might end up dead.

And why would "they" cover it up? Well IDK but it does happen - and seems to have $ at the cause of it. Its the subject of many movies too - like Avitar - or On Deadly Ground (Steven Seagal).

And why would "they" cover it up? Well IDK but it does happen - and seems to have $ at the cause of it.

and what do you think is motivating brokovich?

all these things are fine and dandy, I am sure the BoE and the BoH would be thrilled with the assistance, but not this way.

I dont disagree that independent analysis can be appropriate.

Then why didnt brokovich go through the BoH to get their findings? They are available through OPRA or is it FOIA this week?

More likely an outbreak of lesbianism. That'll cause crazy in anyone.

But I'm the cure for that too.

More likely an outbreak of lesbianism. That'll cause crazy in anyone.

But I'm the cure for that too.

#51 | Posted by rightisright

Yeah, look what you did for Rosie O'Donnell

lol Theres' a Whole Lotta Rosie!

Truthhurts sucks at his own advice - pontificating and telling others to put their head in the sand. Trust the government wait for the answer don't worry, do what your Dr Said, take those meds.

CNN right now: "Possible Break in mistry"

Pinsky is pontificating about it now on CNN - with his team in LeRoy NY. Will be more tonight at 9 with him and Erin Brockovich.

They discovered a nearby toxic dump with rusty barrels and all at the train-crash site (instead of cleaned up as it was supposedly paid-done).

www.cnn.com/Erin Brockovich talks mystery illness

Dr. Drew stunned by Brockovich intv.

Rosie is, alas, incurable. I did manage to save Anne Heche, though.

Anne is definitely hot crazy sexy!

Fine. Then I suggest Erin go through legal channels to get permission to get the sample.
Until then, she is grandstanding.
#33 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2012-01-30 01:57 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Or pay some random kid to do it. But that wouldn't make headlines.

Too late, Pinski found her persuasive and OMFG the video I just saw no wonder there's sick people there. Some official obfuscating heads should roll. Apparently fed-heads at that.

Looks like Erin will be on with CNN again tonight at 8 and 10 p.m. ET on AC360 with Anderson Cooper. There's another preview here: ac360.blogs.cnn.com

This looks like the chemical waste site just up the hill from the reservoir:

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The rusty barrels are visible about 100 yards south west of where that green arrow is on the map (zoom in).

"The State Health Department has tested the school and ruled out environmental factors."
#6 | Posted by truthhurts

"Presumably the State BoH did the appropriate tests on the school ground.
#9 | Posted by truthhurts"

Jeez, Truthy, the trust you have in your gov't is quite touching. It's extraordinarily naive, but touching nonetheless.

Truthhurts POV sucks if your kid is sick and that's the designated school - can't afford another one ... can't take a sample? Sounds like they're HIDING SOMETHING.

#20 | Posted by reitze

Said the parents during the Salem Witch Hunts

no monte, I just have a great deal of experience on the subject. That interview reitze posts is a smattering of facts, half truths and distortions.

Basic Risk Assessment

chemicals cause effects

People are exposed to chemicals (or hazards) through a few modes, inhalation, ingestin, dermally, punctures, radiologically

if you have a chemical hazard ie TCE, you can either breath it, drink it, splashed on your skin, enter through open cuts.

the most important mode is breathing because that is the highest volume of chemical one could normally be exposed to

SOOOO if it is breathed, it is airborne. if it is airborne, samples can be collected, if samples can be collected they can be tested.

I am assuming that when an agency says no environmental factors they have looked at this VERY BASIC engineering and science to make their conclusions.

as for all of the scary shit she talks about, those types of site ARE ALL OVER THE DEVELOPED PORTIONS OF THIS COUNTRY. You cannot swing a dead cat in any industrial and most commercial parts of the country without hitting plumes and "reports of kids playing with drums"

Not to say they arent serious, they are, but the level of panic implied by this interview is a joke. The threat is more long term, most of these sites are known and studied. THE REMEDIES ARE FAR too expensive as the responsible parties are gone and Superfund is dried up. so states do what they can to clean these properties up.

my favorite parts of that CNN interview were the orange stuff on the field

AHHHHHHHHHHHH

I wonder what the school colors are

and the "I bet if we looked in the cemetaries we would find alot of people died from cancer"

no shit sherlock, 2nd leading cause of death in america

We dont want to start a panic, but PANIC!!!!!!!!!!

Said the parents during the Salem Witch Hunts

#63 | Posted by Lohocla at 2012-01-30 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag: Awsome!

You're a master at taking someone out of context! You'll fit right in - or shit I should check you're prolly at 111 or something.

..., but the level of panic implied by this interview is a joke. The threat is more long term, most of these sites are known and studied. THE REMEDIES ARE FAR too expensive as the responsible parties are gone and Superfund is dried up. so states do what they can to clean these properties up.
#64 | Posted by truthhurts at 2012-01-30 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:
That's a pretty sick joke.

I wouldn't let my kid go to school there would you? Its a joke right? How about swimming in that quarry? Or maybe its just an occasional gas cloud near the football field - nobody will figure it out right? Good thing to avoid higher health care? medicare? what? It doesn't even sound like there'd be much for law suites (other than SOBs people blocking independent testing (yea I'd convict them on that)).

TH's POV doesn't even make sense unless someone with $ to loose is paying. Govt teets are 1 thing but TH takes it on this one - I don't get it.

Schools and property owners want to mask and cover-up the reasons. They know that discovery will lead to lower property values and perhaps the need to condemn the school grounds. Since when is public school property considered private property for such purposes of preventing or undermining the discovery of the cause of unhealthy symptoms in students?

It's New York. They have to make sure that the Unions are not to blame before they can start allowing outsiders the ability to look into it and sue the City.

#7 | Posted by bogey1355

Uhh, Dipshit, it's far away from New York City, but reading the article before posting nonsense has never been a priority for you.

Its actually a nice little town about 1/2 hour south of Rochester. BTW, my impression is still that the train-wreck chemicals sound "most likely" but not a definate answer.

What else could it be? Well its easy to speculate things - and since truth is often stranger than fiction - getting creative can help. Here's a few:

1. VOCs from new carpet or humidification. Some are more sensitive and VOCs break down into stuff like formaldehyde - and the soot-dust can be absorbed into the skin (it happened to me once via a steam-coil leak). So the VOCs can/could be sitting in dust somewhere and the girls could have sat there together in gym clothes, etc.

2. Fluoridation of the water - as in some sort of mixing problem causing a concentration.

3. More direct common access to the train-wreck chemical spill like swimming at the reservoir, maybe going to pee in the wrong place, etc.

4. Locatoin of their houses - like are they all on the same street or spread all over town? If they're spread all over town then that tends to focus interest on the school - and implies stay the f away from there till its figured out.

#70 vaccines - did they do that gardacil anti-cancer vaccine in that town? these girls?

Whether Brocovich is grandstanding, or not, it's irrelevant. The genie is out of the bottle. The exposure of the derailment is national news.

These children will no longer be discounted as hysterical.

The town is finished. No one will move to New York's new Love Canal.

That's what motivated the cover up. Housing prices and the end of that community. The sacrifice was the health of 15 children.

If delayed treatment made these kid's condition worse, then criminal charges should be prepared against anyone who assisted in the cover up.

Beginning with those school officials who openly stopped interested people from taking samples in a manor harmless to the operations of the school. The open opposition was IMHO criminal and truthhurts sort of support is IMHO an accomplice.

The criminals should be arrested, and the accomplices should be glad the law doesn't go that far due to the asinine nature of politics.

rasta the scumbag truck driver thinks that "city" refers to NYC. Is there only one city in NY, retard?

Sniper thinks he can drive his RV onto a school property and live there ad infinitum

#15 | Posted by truthhurts

You REALY are a stupid shit.

"I am assuming that when an agency says no environmental factors they have looked at this VERY BASIC engineering and science to make their conclusions.
#64 | Posted by truthhurts"

I agree. I don't necessarily agree that they would honestly publicize bad conclusions to the public. If so, it certainly would not be the first time.

"You cannot swing a dead cat in any industrial and most commercial parts of the country without hitting plumes and "reports of kids playing with drums.
#64 | Posted by truthhurts"

That is true. However, that does not mean that being exposed to things like TCE is not harmful, especially to kids. Further, that is one of several reasons why schools are not generally sited in industrial areas.

rasta the scumbag truck driver thinks that "city" refers to NYC. Is there only one city in NY, retard?
#74 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Only one that matters.

This spill happened 40+ years ago, the likelihood that contaminants would remain on the ground surface (of a HIGHLY trafficed sports field) at this late date is ludicrous.

#11 | Posted by truthhurts

TH--instead of removing the cantaminated soil from the train wreck--they put the crap in 55 gallon barrels and they are still sitting and rotting near the school. The area is fenced--but the stuff is leaching into the ground. The barrels are shown rotted and open on HLN's Dr. Drew show.

The school doesn't want new tests done--they would likely find contaminants at the school. What school doesn't have contaminants? They are old--have covered up lead paint and no doubt asbestos somewhere in the walls. The school looked ancient--like 50 years old.

The experts the school hired did NOT do new tests--they merely examined the results of the OLD tests done years ago.

I don't know if these girls are faking or what. The entire school population and the towns people should be bobbing around with tics and outbursts if the chemical is the cause.

It wouldn't be the first time girls thought attention would be fun.

"The entire school population and the towns people should be bobbing around with tics and outbursts if the chemical is the cause.
#79 | Posted by MURPHY"

Absolutely not true. Different people have different tolerances to chemicals, and kids are among the most sensitive. Even Truthy would probably agree with that.

hahaha, trust me I know a heck of alot more on the subject than you.

#26 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Usually when someone says this there is reason to believe the opposite.
#29 | POSTED BY TEDLY

25 years experience says differently

#42 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

This spill happened 40+ years ago, the likelihood that contaminants would remain on the ground surface (of a HIGHLY trafficed sports field) at this late date is ludicrous.

#11 | Posted by truthhurts

...instead of removing the cantaminated soil from the train wreck--they put the crap in 55 gallon barrels and they are still sitting and rotting near the school. The area is fenced--but the stuff is leaching into the ground. The barrels are shown rotted and open...

#79 | POSTED BY MURPHY

I'm thinking bullshit on that whole 25 tears experience right now...or at least incompetence.


If delayed treatment made these kid's condition worse, then criminal charges should be prepared against anyone who assisted in the cover up.

#72 | Posted by bluemoose at 2012-01-31 08:54 AM
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Agreed. It's always about money unless it happens to involve one's family. The coverup was by those removed but who saw loss of wealth and dollars by exposing the facts, and instead they wanted coverup instead of wanting to get to the bottom of what was going on.

Love Canals have a way of destroying any sense of a viable economy in any community. This illustrates how a pure and natural environment means opportunities for dollars to a society from business and trade and tourism, even if the greedy rich cons such as Rush, who live elsewhere in their protected gated communities, typically disagree.

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