It's because you weren't listening the first time. You just kept looking at Boehner's dramatic performance in the background.

Where have you been Vern? Welcome back to you too (in addition to Tosser).

Really?---doesn't surprise me. He's running out of new ideas. I didn't listen to it and glad I didn't since I kind of felt it would be the same 0, same 0.

He's running out of new ideas

Did he ever have any? HCR was a failed attempt by the 2007 DNC Congress and the rest are all Bush policies he is continuing.

But you liked it in 2009, 2010, and 2011. What is wrong with you America? If the Stones can perform "Jumping Jack Flash" 300 nights a year for 40 years, why can't I give a speech you liked more than once?- Obama

Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to realize he has already had 4 years to work on the things he claims we need to be doing.

Nobody watches him anymore anyhow.

Did he ever have any?

Ask OBL.

Oh wait, that's right, you can't.

Obama promised to go into Pakistan and kill OBL and was scolded for it by everyone on the right and some on the left.

Then he did it.

Pretty much risking all of his political capital on the move and it succeeded.

Above and beyond anything else if America becomes the country that rewarded Bush for failing on 9/11 and then punished Obama for getting OBL you and everyone in your country will immediately become global laughingstocks that the rest of the world be be unable to take even remotely seriously.

Seriously.

Beyond that?

Got the troops outta Iraq as he promised and pushed for.

/Please feel free to repeat for the umpteenth time here how it was all "on Bush's schedule" and "he wanted them in there longer" cos you know you wanna.

Ended DADT. That's huge.

Tried financial reforms albeit with limited success because of Republican obstructionism.

Tried closing Gitmo and moving the prisoners to the US and was cock blocked again by the Republicans.

There's a shit-ton more but the main point here is that Obama and the Dems are the only ones who seem to have any ideas.

The GOP's only idea is "Be against wotever Obama is currently for even if it's something he's just changed his mind on that we were for last week".

And all this in a cynical attempt to prevent the economic recovery from growing because the Repubs really just wanna tank the economy and then try to blame Obama for it.

That's their one and only idea.

Actually that's a bit of an oversimplification.

Her's the GOP platform for 2012...

1. More War with Iran.

2. More tax cuts for the rich!

3. 0% capital gains!

4. Cut entitlements to the bone to pay for it!

5. Let fuck up the environment by allowing drilling any where the OilCos want regardless of dangers.

GL w/ THAT.

Don't agree with all of Obama's ideas, obviously, but at least most of them are well thought out.

Don't agree with any of the Republicans so-called ideas at all as each and every single one of them enables the haves and fucks the have-nots and there's been quite enough of that going around, already.

This just in...

Presidents tend to talk about the same stuff over and over again in State of the Union Addresses and this is particularly true within any individual POTUS's terms.

The person who wrote this article is either feigning shock like he had just discovered gambling at Rick's Americain or he's really a moron who is apparently, not at all familiar with the history of SOTU

Be Well.

Ask OBL.

Oh wait, that's right, you can't

You mean killing Osama Bin Lauden was an original idea? Really?

No point in reading anything past that. Gonna just skip Spud from now on actually.

You mean killing Osama Bin Lauden was an original idea? Really?

What part of... "Obama promised to go into Pakistan and kill OBL and was scolded for it by everyone on the right and some on the left." did you not get?

No point in reading anything past that.

Apparently, all of it.

What are you try next to win an argument after you discover sticking your fingers in your ears and going "NEENER NEENER NEENER!" at the top of your lungs doesn't work?

Have you tried holding your breath till you turn blue in an effort to change hearts and minds?

It won't work, of course, but you'd hardly look any sillier than you do right now.

Gonna just skip Spud from now on actually.

Sure, ya are.

Keep telling yerself that.

Be Well.

#10 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-01-27 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh yeah... when he took some illegal action that democrats were wholeheartedly against until Obama did it.

I remember that.

Still... it wasn't his idea. It was in the words for quite some time.

Don't bother Spud. This is one of those Obama hater circle jerks.

Don't agree with all of Obama's ideas, obviously, but at least most of them are well thought out.

Extending the Patriot Act was "well thought out?"

The NDAA 2012 was "well thought out?"

Indiscriminate drone bombings in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia are "well thought out?"

Assassinating American citizens without a trial is "well thought out?"

Continuing the War on Drugs is "well thought out?"

Extraordinary rendition is "well thought out?"

Defending the warrantless attachment of GPS monitoring devices to a private US citizen's vehicle is "well thought out?"

Signing statements are "well thought out?"

Spending $708,000,000,000.00 per year on war is "well thought out?"

Or are these just not part of that "most" category you pulled from your ass?

#8 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-01-27 03:12 PM | Reply |

#10 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-01-27 03:22 PM | Reply

Hey, "pud", could you shorten the length of your postings?

Matsop falls into a deep slumber.

and the problem isn't narcolepsy either.

Matsop believes "pud" is A flicted with the same disease as Obungler.

Verbosity and grandiosity are fine bed chaps.

//Anyway exiting the right door
//Always keeping an open I on the left exit.

Be Well.

Extending the Patriot Act was "well thought out?"

Nope, Spud criticized him for that. He extended 3 provisions, not all of them but Spud felt the Lone Wolf one had never been used and was mostly useless and didn't deserve extension. Shiat passed with ease in the Senate and House though.

You do realize that most criticism of the Patriot Act are on the left?

Are you beginning to see that Obama is far from being a lefty yet?

The NDAA 2012 was "well thought out?"

It "using a bazooka to kill a house fly" legislation. It's powers are too ill defined and broad for Spud's tastes. Nobody is happy with the slippery slope the NDAA potentially represents.

Consolidation of powers unto the executive branch is a phenomenon that's been going on for a while a while under both parties. Spud deplores it but trusts the Dems more with that ungodly power than the Reps.

By a significant margin.

Indiscriminate drone bombings in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia are "well thought out?"

Indiscriminate? Not sure what you mean by that but the use of drones does seem preferable to putting troops in harms way all the time which is SOP w/ the GOP.

It is amusing to see all these RWers attacking Obama from the left these days because all the RW criticisms are so pants-on-head retarded they have no traction.

Welcome to the club, light up some patchouli incense and carry on.

Assassinating American citizens without a trial is "well thought out?"

AA had to die. Simple as that. Sorry yer still so broken up about it. The fact that he was an American doesn't mean shit to Spud or pretty much anyone else in the rest of the world.

Continuing the War on Drugs is "well thought out?"

Obama has a spotty at best track record on supporting even medical marijuana but he's still miles and days ahead of most of the rest out there with the exception of Ron Paul who even if he could get elected would never be able to do much in that regard because of Congress.

Extraordinary rendition is "well thought out?"

Went from BushCo's madhouse of black sites and extra-ordinary rendition program and scaled it back to what it was under Clinton. Realistically could not have expected better.

And again you're attacking from the left.

Defending the warrantless attachment of GPS monitoring devices to a private US citizen's vehicle is "well thought out?"

That was dumb and lazy.

Signing statements are "well thought out?"

Biatch, please.

Obama didn't invent signing statements and in light of the historic obstructionsim and general unwillingness to do their jobs in both the House and Senate he'd be a fool not to utilize the tool.

Spending $708,000,000,000.00 per year on war is "well thought out?"

Did he start any wars?

Or is he ending wars?

You want war with Iran next? Vote Republican.

You want a 50/50 chance of war with Iran? Vote Democratic.

That's what it's come down to. The Democrats have been pulled so far to the right since Clinton became the Welfare Reform King you now have a center-right, moderate party in the Dems and a far right, whackjob, "pushing at the limits to see how much more we can steal" amoral Republican party.

Or are these just not part of that "most" category you pulled from your ass?

Nope, it does look like you pulled all of them from Mother Jones pieces and Glenn Greenwald columns though.

When did you become such a flaming Lib, Joe?

Spud is deeply impressed over here.

*golf clap*

Be Well.

Hey, "pud", could you shorten the length of your postings?

See post 16 for response to that query.

Be Well.

Obama has a spotty at best track record on supporting even medical marijuana but he's still miles and days ahead of most of the rest out there with the exception of Ron Paul who even if he could get elected would never be able to do much in that regard because of Congress.

I love it when it suits a leftists fancy, they recognize what is a political reality and what isn't.

Paul is better than Obama in this category (and others), but since it isn't a political reality anyway....run back to obama.

If we narrow our scrutiny to only those ideas that are politically realistic then we can dismiss about 80% of the platform of the GOP candidates.

But the left isn't going to do that, are they?

hypocritical, fingerbanged cheerleaders. LOL

Hey, "pud", could you shorten the length of your postings?

See post 16 for response to that query.

Be Well.

#17 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-01-27 04:22 PM | Reply

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You do realize that most criticism of the Patriot Act are on the left? Are you beginning to see that Obama is far from being a lefty yet?

When did I call him a lefty? I called him a shitty president for extending the Patriot Act. Left or right, it is a deplorable move. Deal with it.

AA had to die. Simple as that. Sorry yer still so broken up about it. The fact that he was an American doesn't mean shit to Spud or pretty much anyone else in the rest of the world.

Why did he "need to die" any more than any other person who is capable of being arrested and put on trial?

Obama has a spotty at best track record on supporting even medical marijuana but he's still miles and days ahead of most of the rest out there with the exception of Ron Paul who even if he could get elected would never be able to do much in that regard because of Congress.

Translation: He has a stupid position on the issue but everyone else is stupid so it's okay that he is stupid.

Went from BushCo's madhouse of black sites and extra-ordinary rendition program and scaled it back to what it was under Clinton.

And again you're attacking from the left.

I sit on the left on many issues. Unlike you and Obama. Dumbfuck.

Same speech, different date.
Add in what you did with Seal Team Six this year and you've pretty much nailed it.

What the hell though. He saves money on speech writers. Except the ones vacationing with Michelle.

I'm not an Obama fan, but my first reaction is: So what if he repeats himself?

If the same issues are affecting the country and he hoenstly believes he has solutions and people didn't listen to him the first time, then of course he'd repeat himself.

My problem is the disconnect between the words and actions.

Why did he "need to die" any more than any other person who is capable of being arrested and put on trial?

Capable of being arrested?

Um, yeah, no.

The fact that he was in a lawless country without extradition treaty *was* the problem.

He and the people he were meeting were all legitimate targets under the AUMF authorized under Bush to pursue AQ after 9/11.

They thought they were safe to meet because the American government couldn't possibly kill AA because of his citizenship status.

They thought wrong.

Too bad. So sad.

If you still feel awful you should send a nice flower arrangement to his widow.

Serious question. If a legal mechanism existed to take AA's citizenship away from him prior to his getting blowed up would that have made it alright in your books?

Be careful how you answer that one.

Translation: He has a stupid position on the issue but everyone else is stupid so it's okay that he is stupid.

Both parties positions on the war on drugs is stupid but the Republican's plans are always far more draconian and stupid on the whole.

Bottom line is that "The Obama administration will continue the Bush administration's practice of sending terrorism suspects to third countries for detention and interrogation, but pledges to closely monitor their treatment to ensure that they are not tortured." (Source).Rendition continues, just without torture (supposedly), and we're supposed to applaud that?

That he shut down the black sites and stopped doing this shit en masse is an improvement over the previous. That's realpolitik. Spud's a pragmatist not some starry eyed utopian seeking nub. No, of course, you're not supposed to like it but you should be grown up enough to recognize that it is an improvement.

I sit on the left on many issues.

Well, then pass the GD dutchie fer crying out loud.

Be Well.

I thought we liked people who stayed the course, who were consistent in their beliefs.

Groundhog Day

Too bad he did not speak on the actual state of the union [the original reason for this annual speech]; but then he couldn't if he wants to run for reelection.

What, like SOTUs aren't always campaign speeches in an election year? Geez, even when it's not an election year, they're still "This is why my administration is awesome."

I didn't even watch it--totally spaced; one of my students told me the next day--but this seems a stupid issue by which to be bothered. It's like being surprised that a smart, independent film didn't win the Oscar for Best Picture.

I'm not an Obama fan, but my first reaction is: So what if he repeats himself?

If the same issues are affecting the country and he hoenstly believes he has solutions and people didn't listen to him the first time, then of course he'd repeat himself.

My problem is the disconnect between the words and actions.

#23 | Posted by Sully at 2012-01-27 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

You nail it in your final sentence.

Take just one example: illegal immigration. In this video he says the same thing three times, in three different SOTU speeches.

What has he done?

This is one of those Obama hater circle jerks.

#12 | Posted by BruceBigot at 2012-01-27 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

B.Bigot thinks calling a loser a loser is the same as hate. Next he'll pull the race card.

What a loser.

29--What has he done?

Fair question. Now keep going. What has he tried to do? If there is an answer other than nothing, ask some other questions: Is it a worthwhile endeavor? ("He does nothing" is different from "He does lots of shit we don't like," a distinction many critics seem to gloss right over.) Who or what has gotten in the way of achieving that? If the answer is he has done nothing, ask why that is? Maybe there have been bigger priorities that he has been working on (whether you believe he's succeeding in those other efforts or not).

One of the biggest problems with political discourse is that for many voters (on all sides), people (not necessarily voters) believe that if the president isn't doing what they want, he's not doing anything. That's stupid. Take those who say that this president has achieved nothing. That's bullshit. He has achieved a great deal, or done a great deal. : ) We can disagree over what he has done and whether it's good, but he has done. He is not a sit-on-his-ass kinda guy, as much as some of you might prefer that.

#31 | Posted by pragmatist at 2012-01-28 09:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

OK, he has not sat on his ass.

He plays golf.

He took a lot of vacations.

He traveled around the world, twice, to apologize for America.

He expanded all of the reprehensible actions of Bush.

He blames Bush for all of his problems.

He gives long winded speeches.

He pissed away a few trillion in various forms of 'stimulus.'

He gave federal loans guarantees to hocus-pocus companies in trade for campaign contributions.

He crammed a dreadful health care bill down the throat of the nation.

You are correct. The Messiah has done a lot of shit. Funny, ain't it, how he never talks about all that shit (his record) at SOTU or at his long-winded speeches.

No point in reading anything past that. Gonna just skip Spud from now on actually.

#9 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2012-01-27 03:13 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

It took you this long to get here? Never in my life have I seen someone say so little while typing so much while sounding like a child molester at the same time.

Vern, you perfectly illustrated my second paragraph. Thank you. Your comment is one example of what is wrong with American (though you don't live here, I believe you are a citizen) public discourse today.

Obama promised to go into Pakistan and kill OBL and was scolded for it by everyone on the right and some on the left.

#8 | POSTED BY DETHSPUD AT 2012-01-27 03:12 PM | REPLY

Gotta call bullshit on that one.

36--Why? He certainly said in his campaign that we were going to get Osama and that he would do as necessary to accomplish that goal. I seem to remember his being asked about "invading" Pakistan and being criticized roundly by McCain for saying he would.

The political MO - If at first you fail, do the same thing again, only harder.