Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, January 24, 2012

In an interview on CNN where he defended his opposition to abortion even in cases of incest and rape, Rick Santorum said sexual assault victims should "accept this horribly created" pregnancy because it is "nevertheless a gift in a very broken way." Victims should "make the best out of a bad situation," he said.

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Insisting that "it's not a matter of religious values," Santorum explained that sexual assault victims should "accept this horribly created" pregnancy because it is "nevertheless a gift in a very broken way" and that, when it comes down to it, a victim just has "to make the best out of a bad situation"

No, of course, religion's got nothing to do with.

I thought of all people Sanctorum would think of lying as a sin, perhaps a horribly created manifestation of his prejudices but, nevertheless, a gift in a very broken way that's intended to help him make the best out of a bad situation.

Ayottolah Santorum the Sanctimonious (ASS)

How dare Santorum say human life is a gift. Even Obama said abort it so she can chase her dreams.

I have debated people like this before. They usually say "how can you say a child is worthless just because the father was an asshole?" While I don't agree with forcing rape victims to carry the spawn of the one who attacked them, this is a valid point of view.

Sanctorum: just one more reason not to take the Iowa GOP caucuses seriously.

Rape itself is a gift, surprise sex if you will.

A crunchy baby center makes it even more delicious.

So a rapist like like, what, a bad Santa?

Something like that.

images.search.yahoo.com

How incredibly toolish of Frothy.

Santorum is mentally ill and I wouldn't want to be in a room alone with him.

Santorum is mentally ill and I wouldn't want to be in a room alone with him.

Afraid he might come bearing gifts?

"...Morgan asked Santorum to clarify his reasoning behind such a callous position."

The callous decision is to give an innocent kid the death penalty for what someone else did.

I'm glad he's honest about being a anochronistic religious wackjob. Makes him irrelevant as a presidential candidate.

an innocent kid

Nowhere else but among the religious will you find such a wealth of sanctimony and stupidity.

A pregnancy from rape is essentially a tissue graft that has been forcibly implanted without consent. It has no functionality, and the victim has every right to remove it.

Don't debase an actual child by comparing it to a parasitic mass of cells that is "human" only in genotype.

I'm glad he's honest about being a anochronistic religious wackjob. Makes him irrelevant as a presidential candidate.

I hope he gets the nomination.

It will make for several entertaining months of religious fools demonstrating how worthless they and their beliefs have become.

Is this what they call the "Good News" from the Gospel?

Ya gotta love the lunacy of the Death Cult whackjobs.

It would be funny if they weren't serious.

Santorum wants the laws to change so this "gift" can't be returned, no matter how strongly a rape victim feels about not having the rapist's baby.

Thhhhhat's all Folks!

Wonder if he's gonna tag Clayton Williams as his VP......

Republicans, bringing fascim home. Because after all, they're really small government unobtrusive type of people.

this is a valid point of view.

#4 | Posted by kanrei

no it's not. just using the genetic argument alone, this is an exceedingly bad POV. If your father impregnates you, the BEST you can hope to achieve, assuming it's not retarded, is to raise a person with a high genetic probability of becoming a rapist.

American Taliban. He secretly agrees with Iranians.

Santorum is a nut job. Doesn't he realize God aborted his last child? You know, the one he took home to play with.

This man is sick in the head. How on earth can you be for small government then at the same time try and legislate this sort of intrusiveness. This is why I hate religion. These sick fucks just cant keep it to themselves they want everyone to live like them.

I would have linked a soundbite of a toilet flushing, but realized it was redundant. The 1% Party seems inordinately vested to make sure I vote for Obama, whether I want to or not.

"The fact anyone finds him remotely fit to hold office is an embarrassment. This man is filth dredged up from the 14th century."

AD or BC? Rick is an abomination, but which of the competing GOP is not? Newtie, Mr. Sleaze? Mittens, Mr. Phony? Ron, Mr. Nothing-for-the poor? The uglies have clearly done it to themselves. herm

#17 Isn't it funny how it is always Men who say dumb shit like this?

Never a Woman.

I bet Men would feel different if THEY were forced to carry a rapist baby to term by unseen forces beyond their control.

Only 3 boogiemen left. The lefties should save money on detergent for their shitty pants.

These sick fucks just cant keep it to themselves they want everyone to live like them.

#24 | POSTED BY RAWRON AT 2012-01-24 12:52 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

That is my problem with religion. It is okay for them to live their lives as they choose, but they want to impose their law on everyone.

Santorum-"Getting ass raped is a gift because you don't have to worry about constipation. As a former altar boy, I was extremely regular."

Next up-"getting pregnant form a gang rape is a bigger gift, because it will give you hours of fun trying to guess which rapist is the little darling's daddy."

Of course, coming form a guy who decided to kill his own baby, his comments on rape and pregnancy should be taken with a grain of shit.

How about a huge headline for the Larry Summner '08 memo which outlined the Stimulus as a pork package that could pay off campaign promises but couldn't really help the economy?

That's just a trillion dollar story.

The lefties should save money on detergent for their shitty pants.

wissy- pissing our pants laughing so hard is the big problem. The GOPper primaries should be up for an Emmy for best comedy series.

Boogie men? Fuck, none of these klowns are even close to competing with Obama, never mind defeating him.

How about a huge headline for the Larry Summner '08 memo which outlined the Stimulus as a pork package that could pay off campaign promises but couldn't really help the economy?

That's just a trillion dollar story.

#31 | Posted by rhinomaximus

Post it instead of trying to deflect from the assklowniness that has become the GOP.

Statements like this dont help. I was thinking of going for Santorum, but after this, I dont think I can. What in the hell was he thinking? I bet almost all of America is for abortion in the cases of rape or incest. I was hoping he was going to surge in the next few weeks...looks like it's Newt for me...

Fuck, none of these klowns are even close to competing with Obama, never mind defeating him.

Why do the lefties of today sound eerily familiar to the lefties of January, 1980? Now, like then, they are all pretending the incumbent is a shoe in. Didn't they learn anything in 1980? Hell, just four years ago the same complacency sunk Hillary. Have they already forgotten that, too?

It does make for nice echo chamber music, though. LOL

I'm just pointing out your priorities, northgay.

Get all excited about an also-ran's position and sweep the failure of your man's signature policies under the rug.

Asswipes! All of you!

I bet Men would feel different if THEY were forced to carry a rapist baby to term by unseen forces beyond their control.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-24 12:58 PM

Yeah, it's them men, damnit!

rofl, what a feminist cooze you are.

As much as you hate them, men aren't the problem. Religious douchebags like Santorum come in both sexes. So do pro-choice people.

As much as you hate all things male, no one's coming for your uterus because of the many men who defend your freedoms.

I bet Men would feel different if THEY were forced to carry a rapist baby to term by unseen forces beyond their control.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-24 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag: FIRST RAPIST BABY CARRIED TO TERM BY A MAN

This from a guy who wife dated a abortion doctor for 6 year..

Come on republicans,your religious freak show is just sick..
Wonder why republican hate that women have a right to choose? An why do they hate gay marriage? Could it be that they're just a bunch of religious control freaks!

Sure seems Republicans just hate freedom and liberty too...

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-24 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag: FIRST RAPIST BABY CARRIED TO TERM BY A MAN

The stupid fuck took it in the ass for a year before going the invetro route...

That's just a trillion dollar story.
#31 | Posted by rhinomaximus
Post it instead of trying to deflect from the assklowniness that has become the GOP.

#33 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3

Your wish is granted!! The Larry Summers "the stimulus is payola" memo is now a blog awaiting critique

An why do they hate gay marriage? Could it be that they're just a bunch of religious control freaks!

#39 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2012-01-24 01:22 PM

"I'm a Christian," Mr. Obama said on a radio program in his 2004 race for Senate. "And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

www.nytimes.com

There, I aborted it for you. Put some ice on it and change your tampon.

#35 | Posted by goatman

........would you actually vote for Newt or Mitt instead of Obama if one of them won the nomination ?.......

The hate is strong against someone who is pro life--unabashadly pro life. Would it be a hard decision--absolutely. But certainly not unheard of.

Here is a story from someone who was the product of a rape and her mother gave birth--gave her life --and she was a adopted.

Warning to those who really hate the pro life segment of our society.

This may go over your heads..

www.rebeccakiessling.com

I was adopted nearly from birth. At 18, I learned that I was conceived out of a brutal rape at knife-point by a serial rapist. Like most people, I'd never considered that abortion applied to my life, but once I received this information, all of a sudden I realized that, not only does it apply to my life, but it has to do with my very existence. It was as if I could hear the echoes of all those people who, with the most sympathetic of tones, would say, “Well, except in cases of rape. . . ," or who would rather fervently exclaim in disgust: “Especially in cases of rape!!!” All these people are out there who don‘t even know me, but are standing in judgment of my life, so quick to dismiss it just because of how I was conceived. I felt like I was now going to have to justify my own existence, that I would have to prove myself to the world that I shouldn’t have been aborted and that I was worthy of living. I also remember feeling like garbage because of people who would say that my life was like garbage -- that I was disposable.


Please understand that whenever you identify yourself as being “pro-choice,” or whenever you make that exception for rape, what that really translates into is you being able to stand before me, look me in the eye, and say to me, "I think your mother should have been able to abort you.” That’s a pretty powerful statement. I would never say anything like that to someone. I would say never to someone, “If I had my way, you’d be dead right now.” But that is the reality with which I live. I challenge anyone to describe for me how it’s not. It’s not like people say, “Oh well, I‘m pro-choice except for that little window of opportunity in 1968/69, so that you, Rebecca, could have been born.” No -- this is the ruthless reality of that position, and I can tell you that it hurts and it’s mean. But I know that most people don’t put a face to this issue. For them, it’s just a concept -- a quick cliche, and they sweep it under the rug and forget about it. I do hope that, as a child of rape, I can help to put a face, a voice, and a story to this issue.

I just love the Republican Tea Bag Express!!
Just love it... :-D I mean, just when you think
they can't possibly say something more STUPID than
before...they DO!!

It is an absolutely amazing talent they have...

Keep on keeping on, I say...
Keep the dial set on "Infradouche!!"

wtg Rethugs for making it easy to be the
opposition!! ;-D

The link for the above story on the same website

www.rebeccakiessling.com

Only 3 boogiemen left. The lefties should save money on detergent for their shitty pants.

#28 | Posted by wisgod at 2012-01-24 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey, the rest of America can't help it that your candidates are all insane. I'm lukewarm about Obama, but come on. These guys are hopelessly out of touch.

would you actually vote for Newt or Mitt instead of Obama if one of them won the nomination ?.......

Newt yes. I'm undecided on mitt. But probably. Obama's performance has been far from stellar.

Your wish is granted!! The Larry Summers "the stimulus is payola" memo is now a blog awaiting critique

#41 | Posted by MUSTANG

So, where's the huge headline? Why is this Santorum story still up with the huge headline? The Gracie-free Nooner is outpacing this piece of tripe.

The problem with Santorums' comments is that he is trying to simplify a very complicated situation with very high emotions.

And it's not for every woman--this is where I get to be pro choice because there are exceptions to getting an abortion. Namely the health of the mother rape and incest.

But you have to agree the baby didn't do anything wrong in the case of rape or incest. They are innocent.

Leave it to the teabaggers to make rapists think they are doing god's work.

you punks have become just too easy....

headline supidly out of context for the subject and/or question.

seriously..you folks are getting stale...

As much as you hate all things male, no one's coming for your uterus because of the many men who defend your freedoms.

#37 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

wtf does that even mean cLoD? Last week I was ghey and now I hate men?

You can't even ASSIGN positions consistently. Do you drink a lot like that DRUGGIE Goatturd does?

Are you implying that Women don't defend my freedoms?

Being a misogynist does not make you cool or macho.

"The problem with Santorums' comments is that he is trying to simplify a very complicated situation with very high emotions."

That's part of what is wrong with his comments, the other part is that he is trying to make decisions for women who are perfectly capable of making decisions for themselves with the advice of their doctors, he is intruding into the doctor/patient relationship. He needs to live his life and stay the hell out of women's private business.

Newt yes. I'm undecided on mitt. But probably. Obama's performance has been far from stellar.

#48 | Posted by goatman

I bet you are all slobbery over Newt because you both believe in Family Values... am I right?

I bet you are all slobbery over Newt because you both believe in Family Values... am I right?

Nope. As always, you are wrong, dummerboy.

"He needs to live his life and stay the hell out of women's private business."

Trust me danni. Libs, Indys and Cons have no desire to intrude on your woman's privates...

I actually respect the frothy mix for sticking to his principles. I think he's an insane asshole, but at least he's not one of these hypocrites who are pro-life except under certain circumstances.

New definition for "Santorum."

A mental illnesses of such a serious or debilitating nature as to preclude the ability to function normally within society.

People thus afflicted often run for public office.

A secondary definition covers those who take such people seriously when they do.

Why do the righties of today sound eerily familiar to the righties of January, 1992? Now, like then, they are all pretending the Dem candidate has no chance. Didn't they learn anything in 1992? Hell, just four years ago the same complacency sunk McCain. Have they already forgotten that, too?

It does make for nice echo chamber music, though. LOL

Virgin Mary- "Santorum is fucking nuts!"

I bet you are all slobbery over Newt because you both believe in Family Values... am I right?

Nope. As always, you are wrong, dummerboy.

#56 | Posted by goatman

I dunno...

Newt shit has all over his family values and you shit all over yours.

Seems you two had a lot in common.

oh well, maybe you love his hypocrisy. You two have that in common too.

Why do the righties of today sound eerily familiar to the righties of January, 1992?
#60 | Posted by mOntecOre

Either you're older than I thought, or you paid attention to politics in college, which makes me wonder why your priority wasnt partying.

I recall liking Bob Dole because he was a veteran, and disliking Clinton because he was a draft dodger, but I don't believe my understanding of the process or political climate was much deeper than that.

~libs
We consider the miracle of a new human being a scourge to be vacuumed away like a pesky petrified dog terd,

Newt shit has all over his family values and you shit all over yours.

Wrong *sigh* again, dummerboy. I've got great family values.

Speaking of which -- do you think you'll ever give up lying? I do not think I exaggerate when I say you post more lies than truths. Why does the left have such an aversion to the truth, dummerboy?

oh well, maybe you love his hypocrisy. You two have that in common too.

Link? You don't have one? You mean, you . . . lied again? LOL

Thanks for proving my point about reality and the left, dummerboy. I standby for your next lie. Let's hear it. LOL

Fuck you are easy to slap the shit out of.

Are you implying that Women don't defend my freedoms?

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-24 01:41 PM

Where did I say that? I was just pointing out your militant man-hating feminism.

No wonder republican want to stop the Affordable health care act..."aka obama care"

80% of the money insurance companies take in they must pay out in benefits to the policy holders...

Guess this mean less money going to the GOP..

Oh who would have known....

Where did I say that? I was just pointing out your militant man-hating feminism.

Which is an unusual position for him to take considering his wife left him. Usually that fires off a lifetime of mysogyny. I don't think dummerboy is being honest with his gender implied in his user name. Age, yes, gender, no.

#67 | Posted by truthteller101 at 2012-01-24 02:05 PM | Flag: Was raped as a fetus

Ever wonder how a sitting senator can lose re-election by 18 points? You're getting a good lesson in it right here.

A second reelection attempt in 2004 ended in disaster, as Santorum lost by a massive 18 point margin to Bob Casey Jr. â€" the biggest losing margin in the last 30 years.

"Either you're older than I thought, or you paid attention to politics in college, which makes me wonder why your priority wasnt partying."

Neither one actually. I was just making shit up, as usual, to parody the deadbeat dad.

"make the best out of a bad situation"
If it were his wife or daughter raped I'm not really convinced Frothy the misogynist zealot would change his tune.

He's not getting the candidacy.

#72 - how can you doubt his sincerity? He'd probably plan the baby shower right after they finished with the rape kit at the hospital, maybe pick up some outfits on the way home, choose a color scheme for the nursery.

I don't understand why a man would be concerned with what a woman, (not their wife/girlfriend or their daughter, or any family member, but a complete stranger) chooses to do.

Republicans are fascists.

This attitude santorum has just propagates the idea that if one can't conceive on their own rape is the way to do it.

choose a color scheme for the nursery.

#73 | Posted by BruceBanner

I've always found that purple goes best with rape.

sodomy is best with red, and just regular everyday mysogony needs a nice earth tone.

Santorums mother should abort Ricky now.

I've always found that purple goes best with rape.

sodomy is best with red, and just regular everyday mysogony needs a nice earth tone.
Posted by Lipzoidial at 2012-01-24 02:43 PM

Damn, you seem to be a perenial victim. One would think after a while you are the boy calling wolf

I've always found that purple goes best with rape.
sodomy is best with red, and just regular everyday mysogony needs a nice earth tone.

#76 | POSTED BY LIPZOIDIAL AT 2012-01-24 02:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

He might ask for a copy of the mugshot so he can put it, along with a snapshot of the victim's beaten face, into one of those internet services which predict what the baby will look like. Put it up in the nursery. What a gift.

#77 | Posted by Whatsleft

Why? What would possess you to trot that oft beat, weak ass reply? Wasn't there a "mother's basement" crack or a "Work the Drive Thru" quip you could work in, Whatsleft2.5?

One would think after a while you are the boy calling wolf
#78 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC AT 2012-01-24 02:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

the boy calling rape.

Rick Santorum wants to prevent other women from having an abortion. Do you really think that if one of his daughters was the victim of a rape that led to a pregnancy she would not have an abortion? I know many people like Santorum. They want to legislate YOUR morality, not their own. They don't think YOU should not have the choice of an abortion.

Why? What would possess you to trot that oft beat, weak ass reply?

#80 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2012-01-24 02:49 PM

Do you think Whatsleft is a militant man-hating feminist like DonnerBoy? Not often you see someone advocate such a late term abortion. (what is he, 50?)

Rick Santorum wants to prevent other women from having an abortion. Do you really think that if one of his daughters was the victim of a rape that led to a pregnancy she would not have an abortion? I know many people like Santorum. They want to legislate YOUR morality, not their own. They don't think YOU should have the choice of an abortion.

"Whatsleft2.5"

Frank?

BTW, would Senator Rick also be in favor of giving the rapist visitation rights? Would he be required to pay child support? Great idea. Lets insure that the victim's attacker will be a constant presence in her life.

Santorum is obviously a victim of brain damage and the only humane thing to do would be a late term abortion.

Lets insure that the victim's attacker will be a constant presence in her life.

#86 | Posted by tiger150 at 2012-01-24 03:06 PM

If she doesn't want any more rape babies, then she can go on birth control or keep on an emergency condom on hand.

Most "gifts" have a return policy - the baby killers. :)

#86 obviously the woman would have to marry the rapist. we're talking sharia here right? santorbum is a muslim, right?

you don't see doe having abortions when a dominant buck "mounts" them to spead seed and maintain the health of the herd...

Chairborne: "Slutty dressing chicks 'gift' to rapists".

from a rights perspective, i agree rape babies should be given a chance at life. however, that life should be put to good use. i would raise that baby for twenty years, immersed in the martial arts in some far east dojo-- to eventually take revenge upon his father who raped his mother and spawned him. it would make a good movie. but that's the problem with my generation, nothing shocks us and everything is only a good plot for some future movie, directed with flair.

i really think i should be going...

I thought this was a "Christian" man. I guess he hasn't read as far as Leviticus 17:1-14 in his bible.

That's where it states life begins 20 days following conception when blood appears in the embryo. www.religioustolerance.org

I didn't get this information from the bible, but heard it first from Dr. Grissom on CSI. Truthfully, I'd prefer a President Grissom over a President Santorum. (gagging at THAT thought)

#93 - I just hope, for your future chances at office, that your real name isn't "Nerf Herder"

#91 you don't see doe having abortions when a dominant buck "mounts" them to spead seed and maintain the health of the herd...

And that dominant buck is Newt, planning on mounting all of America.

I can imagine all the people he said this to and they gave him a pass.
Guess that vp seat is open again. lol

Are you implying that Women don't defend my freedoms?

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-24 01:41 PM

Where did I say that? I was just pointing out your militant man-hating feminism.

#66 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

pointing out something in me that doesn't exist?

I bet you don't even see the irony.

And who says conservatives are 'one-issue voters'?

There are plenty right here on the DR!!

Did any of you yahoos read the story of Rebecca?

www.rebeccakiessling.com

Scroll dowm and click on the video or her name or any of the other names of folks who were not aborted due to rape.

#99 so?

Which is an unusual position for him to take considering his wife left him. Usually that fires off a lifetime of mysogyny. I don't think dummerboy is being honest with his gender implied in his user name. Age, yes, gender, no.

#68 | Posted by goatman

Wow... a LYING Hypocrite...who is in Denial.

You certainly are a basket case aren't you GoatWeasel?

Maybe you should go have a drink now so you can feel better about yourself you DRUGGIE.

I bet you don't even see the irony.

#98 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-24 03:33 PM

I'll bet you don't see a lot of things.

That website is an Anti abortion site, with alot of stories about women who are sad they aborted their pregnancies. Most of the "rapes" were acquaintence sex or under-aged "I thought I was in love" sex. While some of the rape stories were legit, some of it was "woe is me" woman looking for sympathy type stuff.

#72 - how can you doubt his sincerity? He'd probably plan the baby shower right after they finished with the rape kit at the hospital, maybe pick up some outfits on the way home, choose a color scheme for the nursery.
#73 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2012-01-24 02:33 PM

Because he is right. The "baby" (I prefer "life") had nothing to do with it's sperm donors behavior. Frothy's intentions are to perpetuate a dominion over women's rights. The language "gift" is ridiculous and offensive to anyone paying attention. What measure of scrutiny brought that cannot be fulfilled is insufficient?

Abortion is complex. I do believe that taking life is an important part to existence. It's often an abomination - and so we must intellectually and emotionally suffer through it. Half of my genealogy were nearly exclusive carnivore nomad - following herds of reindeer. They eventually invented a method of invasion of settlements and torture that makes Saddam's prison look like Candy Land. We all come from vicious, bloodthirsty circumstances not of our making.

Intention and circumstance define perspective, which can be evaluated; it's the manner in which we define ourselves that allows mutual respect for not just living but also for taking life when absolutely necessary.

Perhaps most of these "abortions" stem from a lack of hope? That the child would be loved enough, cared for, wanted - that the mother doesn't want or have the ability or desire to change her life so radically. To a woman who doesn't want a child, considering sharing her existence from that moment forward must be terrifying to some extent. From the perspective of that potential mother is a place from which we begin to see how much more or less she can be served by allowing the baby to be born or not. Is it "fair" to burden the child to a life of potential misery? It's hard to imagine anyone going through that process without deeper consideration than a dentist visit. "Gift", what an unfeeling, disconnected douche.

OK, NOW I believe Santorum is just saying the craziest shit in order NOT to get elected.

I think he has agreed to step down, but doesn't want to look like he's quitting, so he's agreed to say the looniest shit he can dream up.

I watched Freakonimics last night and they actually covered this topic - not Santorum, but abortion.

They compared the policies of Romania in the 1980s to the current pro-life policies imposed today in the U.S. Romania's dictator outlawed abortion with the intent of raising the labor-work force to improve Romania's economy. It worked in that it doubled the birth rate in Romania. But it also multiplied the number of "unwanted" pregnancies. Offspring of unwanted pregnancies were shown to be far more likely to enter a life of deviance and crime. A massive increase in crime commenced even after the Romanian dictator was assasinated.

Interestingly enough, the movie associates a large drop in crime in the U.S. with the passage of Roe v. Wade. The argument between "cause and correlation" is most definitely present, but it's difficult to argue with the data that shows significantly lower crime in an environment where unwanted pregnancies could be controlled (i.e. aborted) regardless of race or socioeconomic status.

from a rights perspective, i agree rape babies should be given a chance at life.

#93 | Posted by NerfHerder

Uh-huh.... As long as it is not you (male) who has the constant reminder of the rape horror growing inside of you for 9 months? As if the trauma of the rape alone isn't enough to jack a woman's head up.

They compared the policies of Romania in the 1980s to the current pro-life policies imposed today in the U.S. #106 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

*pro-choice

Uhhhhh....er,...um,....

I'll bet you don't see a lot of things.

#102 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

I bet I can see a retarded statement when I see one.

Wait!

here's one now.

As much as you hate all things male, no one's coming for your uterus because of the many men who defend your freedoms.

Wow... a LYING Hypocrite...who is in Denial.

Sounds like you are, dummerboy.

Got any more challenging questions?

I asked you once a year or so ago, but you never answered: Did you ever re-marry? If so, did you correct the mistakes that caused your first (well, the previous) wife to leave?

Uh-huh.... As long as it is not you (male) who has the constant reminder of the rape horror growing inside of you for 9 months? As if the trauma of the rape alone isn't enough to jack a woman's head up.

#107 | Posted by ZOT at 2012-01-24 03:50 PM

Especially if she gives birth to a well hung baby boy that has the father's eyes.

#110 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-24 03:53 PM | Flag: Bruised uterus probably from the rape

dummerboy's wife left his stupid ass? There's a real shocker. Just imagine how fucking stupid she had to have been in order to see anything worthwhile in that dreg of society!

#107 | POSTED BY ZOT

Talk about removing a woman's choice. It's one thing to hold the stance that you think women should be accountable for their intended actions (i.e. go to term with a baby produced by consensual sex). But it's totally another to hold the stance that women must also be accountable for the intended actions of a criminal.

What if the Obama administration began forcing conception upon women to up the work force? Forced conception through artificial insemination by the hand of the government. Should women also be forced to term in such a draconian environment?

What if it was Obama himself that raped and impregnated your little sister? Should she be forced to term because of the 'miracle' Obama gave to your little sister, albeit in a criminal and violent manner?

I would imagine if there was one specific way to ensure that a mother does not develop a maternal relationship with her child is to force a victim of rape to go full term with a resulted pregnancy. As research has shown, this is also a significant scenario that leads the resulting child down a path of deviance and crime because of the 'unwanted' nature the child experiences on behalf of its mother.

"... so we must intellectually and emotionally suffer through it."

#104 | Posted by redlightrobot

Been pregnant a lot have you? Puking sick? Painful swelling titties? Massive weight gain? Then after nine months push what amounts to a medium size watermelon from your belly out between your legs? Assuming everything goes well. Otherwise, well here comes the blade, slice you open though skin and muscle, extract watermelon, sew you up, then you can be all floppy and flabulous (not a misspelling).

You're male, aren't y'a?

#112 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

So you know what a "well hung" baby looks like?

dummerboy's wife left his stupid ass?

But it wasn't his fault, of course. LOL

So you know what a "well hung" baby looks like?

#117 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2012-01-24 04:02 PM

Well, there's photos of me as a baby.

If you want more examples, you'll have to ask Rex.

But it wasn't his fault, of course. LOL

#118 | Posted by goatman

It was the "fault" of the Joe's she was banging on girls night out...

So you know what a "well hung" baby looks like?

#117 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2012-01-24 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag: Interest peaked. Looking to swap photos. Lactose intolerant.

Newt yes. I'm undecided on mitt. But probably. Obama's performance has been far from stellar.
#48 | Posted by goatman

.....Obama has been disappointing, but when he's stacked up against these two, he is still far ahead in my judgement.....

.....I'm surprised you would vote for someone like Newt who embodies zero values at all, to me he is like a used car salesman, say anything, do anything, to make the sale....and it's all there in his history......I find it particularly surprising that the "family values" people are getting behind the most "un-family values" guy in the race.....

......if I only had a choice between Newt and Mittens, I would vote for Romney, I know he represents the 1 percent, and will probably make the rich richer, and the poor poorer,.....but at least he seems sensible enough not to start another crazy war, or to cut Social Security or Medicare.....he did a balanced job in Massachussetts, and would probably be an adequate centrer-right pres......

But it's totally another to hold the stance that women must also be accountable for the intended actions of a criminal.

#115 | Posted by rstybeach11

A point: Rape is not about having sex or conceiving a child. Rape is all about dominance, control, humiliation, and violence. Sex is merely a means. Pregnancy is an unintended consequence.

#110 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-24 03:53 PM | Flag: Bruised uterus probably from the rape

#113 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2012-01-24 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag: bruised BRAIN probably from DRINKING

dummerboy's wife left his stupid ass?

But it wasn't his fault, of course. LOL

#118 | Posted by goatman

So you wanted proof you are a LIAR?

Done.

I am still happily (well... mostly happy) married.

But...do carry on with the Weasel Rant of the day.

#121 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

Why the 'pedo' flag? Are you bored already today and have nothing more to do than throw baseless shit against the wall?

101CHAIR-BOUND, must suck being old, retired, senile and incapable of any thought process other than an insult. Though, should we be surprised?

Pregnancy is an unintended consequence.
#123 | POSTED BY ZOT

I agree. You're preaching to the choir.

If so, did you correct the mistakes that caused your first (well, the previous) wife to leave?

#111 | Posted by goatman

I am married to the only wife I have ever had and my 5 children still love me and my Grandchildren love me...because unlike you and Noot... I still believe in Family Values.

I watched Freakonimics last night and they actually covered this topic - not Santorum, but abortion.
They compared the policies of Romania in the 1980s to the current pro-life policies imposed today in the U.S. Romania's dictator outlawed abortion with the intent of raising the labor-work force to improve Romania's economy. It worked in that it doubled the birth rate in Romania. But it also multiplied the number of "unwanted" pregnancies. Offspring of unwanted pregnancies were shown to be far more likely to enter a life of deviance and crime. A massive increase in crime commenced even after the Romanian dictator was assassinated.
Interestingly enough, the movie associates a large drop in crime in the U.S. with the passage of Roe v. Wade. The argument between "cause and correlation" is most definitely present, but it's difficult to argue with the data that shows significantly lower crime in an environment where unwanted pregnancies could be controlled (i.e. aborted) regardless of race or socioeconomic status.
#106 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2012-01-24 03:50 PM

Awesome. I've recently watched Other People's Money (DeVito's kinetic) and Barbarians At The Gate (Garner is perfect) - great for seeing how leveraged buy-outs can go bad.. purposefully. Why didn't we institute regulation that prohibits "too-big-to-fail" from a shareholder sell-out? Why do they get so much power over a workforce prosperity? Consulting fees need to be regulated immediately. 45 million for 1 hour is plainly extortion of the workforce security and productivity. Etc. Great movies.

"... so we must intellectually and emotionally suffer through it."
#104 | Posted by redlightrobot
Been pregnant a lot have you? Puking sick? Painful swelling titties? Massive weight gain? Then after nine months push what amounts to a medium size watermelon from your belly out between your legs? Assuming everything goes well. Otherwise, well here comes the blade, slice you open though skin and muscle, extract watermelon, sew you up, then you can be all floppy and flabulous (not a misspelling).
You're male, aren't y'a?
#116 | Posted by ZOT at 2012-01-24 04:00 PM

Suffer through the repercussions of abortion, dizzy bitch.:]

I'd like to think that my sex doesn't entirely bar me from empathizing.. Thus, the "intellectual" capacity part coupled with "bitch".:]

"That is my problem with religion. It is okay for them to live their lives as they choose, but they want to impose their law on everyone.

#29 | Posted by 726"

That is my problem with the non-religious. It is okay for people to live their lives as they choose, but they want to impose their beliefs on everyone.

Republicans and Democrats want to impose their law on everyone.

Men want to impose their law on women.
Women want to impose their law on men.

Isn't that what our country does all the time? Declare majority belief on others into law?

When you disagree with a law, its someone's belief over your own.
That's America.

Since test tube babies are possible, let the fetus be removed from the rape victim. This way she doesn't have to do anything about it. Let the State care for the newborn if the State cares at all.

Watch me kick sand in this stupid old codgers face...

Why the 'pedo' flag? Are you bored already today and have nothing more to do than throw baseless shit against the wall?
#126 | Posted by rstybeach11

So you know what a "well hung" baby looks like?

#117 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2012-01-24 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag

I must take exception to the comments from Rebecca Kiessling posted upstream here.

you being able to stand before me, look me in the eye, and say to me, "I think your mother should have been able to abort you."

I have no problem saying that to anybody.

That's a pretty powerful statement. I would never say anything like that to someone. I would say never to someone, "If I had my way, you'd be dead right now."

Except I never said that. Listen close. I'm saying "If I had my way, your mother would have had the choice to abort you, or not." If the conversation were to continue, I might then offer up "Seeing as your mother made the choice you prefer, maybe you shouldn't feel so bad that other women are empowered to make that choice."

It's called pro-choice. Whether or not a fetus inside me gets aborted is not determined by my government, my church, or my community.

Chair, shut your fucking toilet.

On topic, Sant's just plain loco loco loco.

Crisis

LOL,
Why stop with the rapist's fetus? Kill the woman too for getting raped. You libtards are the fucking Muslims here.

Why, haven't you trained that cooze you call a wife to quit drinking from it?

Watch me kick sand in the old codgers' face, AGAIN...

101CHAIR-BOUND, must suck being old, retired, senile and incapable of any thought process other than an insult. Though, should we be surprised?

#126 | Posted by rstybeach11

I was born in the 70's. How about you, old timer?

#130 | POSTED BY PETROUS
That is my problem with the non-religious. It is okay for people to live their lives as they choose, but they want to impose their beliefs on everyone.

How is giving women a choice forcing anything on anybody? In terms of the Drug War, I would agree with your statement.

Since test tube babies are possible, let the fetus be removed from the rape victim. This way she doesn't have to do anything about it. Let the State care for the newborn if the State cares at all.

Test tube babies require a woman uterus for the fetus to grow - and I believe it needs that surrogate mother almost immediately - you can't have a bank of fertilized embryos sitting around (from my limited knowledge on the subject). So, where are you going to get this massive amount of female volunteers? They do exist, but in the numbers required to make your tactic viable?

#136 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

1982 and still seein' blue...and let me guess, it was the early 70s, wasn't it....

and would probably be an adequate centrer-right pres......

Our last center-right prez was Clinton. Romney is much more to the right than Clinton, especially when freed from the liberal constraints of Massachusetts.

A vote for Romney isn't as strong a vote for war with Iran as a vote for say Perry. But the only R. who doesn't get a little giddy inside over the prospect of war with Iran is Ron Paul.

1982 and still seein' blue...and let me guess, it was the early 70s, wasn't it....

#138 | Posted by rstybeach11

he didn't say what century...early 1870's prolly!

OK, now that we have dealt with the 3 percent of abortions that are due to rape, incest and health of the mother ....

can we talk about the 97 percent of abortions that are purely recreational?

I agree. You're preaching to the choir.

#127 | Posted by rstybeach11

Not by design directed at you.

I am married to the only wife I have ever had

That's contrary to something you said a year or two ago, dummerboy

#129 | Posted by redlightrobot

Never mind...

Come on people just vote for one of our republican friends..

Porky pig or Magic underwearer Man

Just pick one! There going to lose anyway!

I am married to the only wife I have ever had

That's contrary to something you said a year or two ago, dummerboy

Good for you Goatman.. same here going on 54 years ...

can we talk about the 97 percent of abortions that are purely recreational?K

Recreational? Do they happen in RVs? What's recreational about them?

Or do you mean historical re-creation of abortion, complete with back alleys and coat hangers and poor santiary conditions, the way you'd like things to be again?

Republicans are religious control freaks.. what else can one say?

... I still believe in Family Values.

#128 | Posted by donnerboy

So lying is a value in your family?

Republicans are religious control freaks.. what else can one say?

One can say that Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are also religious control reaks.

I believe if your against abortions..don't get one!

Gee wasn't that easy?

"That's contrary to something you said a year or two ago, dummerboy
#146 | Posted by goatman"

(By the way, Goatman admitted to tossing Vernon's salad in a post he made "a year or two ago.")

#58 That was a nasty admission. I think they had been cut off from running water for a month before that incident occurred.

can we talk about the 97 percent of abortions that are purely recreational?
#141 | POSTED BY VERNON

Link? lol

i mean #153 i'm banning myself.

#152 | POSTED BY TRUTHTELLER101

The lack of standard libertarianism assumed in being an American is completely absent in the right wing, which just absolutely baffles me. They boast all these freedoms and not wanting government to tell them they can or can't do this that or the other.

But when it comes to a woman's right to choose what to do with their own bodies?

"The government should have full and all able control. Just like with drugs. Government should be in all our lives. And sodomy too. The government should keep everyone from doing just these specific things that we on the right deem deplorable. Everything else we want under 'freedom of America' shall remain. We have spoken and so it shall be."
-- Average Republican lacking any and all Libertarian understanding

I believe if your against abortions..don't get one!

Gee wasn't that easy?

Posted by truthteller101 at 2012-01-24 04:47 PM | Reply

But ordering people around is SOOOOOO much more fun. Why else would government do it so often?

A gift like getting santorum on my hand while wiping my ass. Yuck.

A gift like getting santorum on my hand while wiping my ass. Yuck.

#159 | Posted by reitze at 2012-01-24 05:08 PM

Well, Reitze, you're finally out of the closet.

lol lod that's some slimy santorum you just got on me.

can we talk about the 97 percent of abortions that are purely recreational?
#141 | Posted by vernon

.......sure ..... according to our constitution......women have the right to choose .......

..........end of talk..............

bruised BRAIN probably from DRINKING

#124 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-24 04:09 PM

See #80, replace 'Whatsleft' with 'Donnerboy.'

"end of talk"

I agree with you Skiz.

I don't understand all the deflections to rape, incest, mother's health in danger, etc...when that doesn't matter anyway.

It's about choice, recreational, lifestyle, slut, it doesn't matter.

choice...............for any reason at all.

why don't the champions of abortion rights just declare that and forget about the rest of those deflections?

why don't the champions of abortion rights just declare that and forget about the rest of those deflections?
#164 | Posted by eberly

.......agreed.......thats what the Supreme Court did, and who here knows more about the constitution then they do ?.......

birth to a well hung baby boy that has the father's eyes.

Why is it always about black people?

#166 | POSTED BY BOAZ

There are other individuals other than black men who are "well hung". There are also other individuals who commit rape who are not black.

What are you, racist?

I am married to the only wife I have ever had

That's contrary to something you said a year or two ago, dummerboy

#146 | Posted by goatman

Link or Lie?

You decide.

I already know.

I'm going with lie because:

1) Goatsmoker would just supply the cite if it existed; and

2) Hans has shown several lies told by Goatshart in the past, with the links to prove them.

All of you turds who babble on about others family/spouses have simply said "I have nothing left to add".

"Rick Santorum said sexual assault victims should "accept this horribly created" pregnancy because it is "nevertheless a gift in a very broken way." Victims should "make the best out of a bad situation," he said."

This is not at all what Rick Santorum meant to say.

His intent was to say that the GOP should "accept his horribly created" candidacy because it is "nevertheless a gift in a very broken way." He wants voters to "make the best out of a bad situation," and sweep him into the White House.

I expect Pat Robertson to back me up on this any minute now.

There were 5 states that legalized abortion 3 years before Roe v. Wade and 15-20 years later, their crime began to fall 3 years before the rest of the country [in reference to national drops in crime rates during early to mid 1990s].

Then if you look at the states where abortion was not just legal, but easily available, 16-17 years after Roe v. Wade, you see a 30% difference between states who are doing a lot of abortions and those who are doing very few [lower crime with high abortion rate].

Finally, all the effects we see in the divergence in crime is concentrated among people under the age of 25 - people young enough to have been exposed to legal abortion. People older than the age of 25? There is no difference in crime between low abortion states and high abortion states.
-- University of Chicago
escholarship.org

1. A pregnancy from rape is essentially a tissue graft that has been forcibly implanted without consent. It has no functionality, and the victim has every right to remove it.

2.Wonder why republican hate that women have a right to choose?

3. Frothy's intentions are to perpetuate a dominion over women's rights.

4.But when it comes to a woman's right to choose what to do with their own bodies?

5........sure ..... according to our constitution......women have the right to choose .......

6.choice...............for any reason at all.

Reasons for abortions
In 2000, cases of rape or incest accounted for 1% of abortions.[26] Another study, in 1998, revealed that in 1987-1988 women reported the following reasons for choosing an abortion:[27]

25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
21.3% Cannot afford a baby
14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
7.9% Want no (more) children
3.3% Risk to fetal health
2.8% Risk to maternal health
2.1% Other
According to a 1987 study that included specific data about late abortions (i.e. abortions "at 16 or more weeks' gestation"),[28] women reported that various reasons contributed to their having a late abortion:

71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% Woman didn't know timing is important
5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% Other

Roe v Wade - there is no absolute right to abortion. There is no abortion right.

A woman has a right to go to her doctor and ask for an abortion. The doctor, using medical judgment, can determine an abortion is appropriate action. The State cannot interfere where a physician's medical judgment is used.

Many of the reasons for abortion do not involve a medical judgment. Therefore, the State has its rights - see Roe v Wade for the full transcript, and the States have failed to act.

The moment a doctor lacks medical judgment in their decision, it is called malpractice.

A woman has a right to a coat hanger too. Only an asshole would force her into having to use it. She might use it on you too assholes.

I have debated people like this before. They usually say "how can you say a child is worthless just because the father was an asshole?" While I don't agree with forcing rape victims to carry the spawn of the one who attacked them, this is a valid point of view.

The next time you debate someone like this, ask them how they feel about the following scenario:

Suppose you or someone you care about is being physically/sexually assaulted by a person who is mentally incapacitated. The assaulter is not intending harm, but is acting on determined instinct. If the only way to stop this assault from taking place results in killing the assaulting person, wouldn't it be justified to kill it?

A pregnancy resulting from a rape is little more than an extension of the rape, with the incapacitated offspring of the rapist taking over where the father left off.

#173 | POSTED BY PETROUS

Read REITZE's #174. She does have the right to an abortion. A doctor also has the right not to perform an abortion. If she chooses to, she could use a rusty hanger. Is it smart? Nope. But will she put in prison for it? Nope. Because there is no legal punishment for having an abortion or performing an abortion on one's self, it is therefor most definitely a right.

Women currently have the right to do whatever they like to their reproductive systems - including removing their capability to reproduce altogether.

Women have the right to an abortion. People in general should have a right to do whatever they damn well please to their own bodies - including drugs and euthanasia. The State should have no say in the matter one way or the other.

^Sure. No one argues that. the question is whether or not she is doing something to someone else's body.

#129 | Posted by redlightrobot
Never mind...
#144 | Posted by ZOT at 2012-01-24 04:34 PM

You mean, as a procedure? It's horrible but necessary to be specifically trained, just as all surgical procedures might be seen as necessary to specific situations. It's the tough gambit, but resenting the physicians and rather in helping them accomplish what is clearly an individuals choice makes for safer, saner decisions.

The tendency on the Right is to claim that making abortion available equates to 1) promotion of promiscuity 2) use of abortion as birth control 3) conflicts with Hippocratic oath, 4) is beneath us.

Claims of promiscuity are ineffective, doesn't convey the reality that women don't just pop in for an abortion casually. I don't have an answer regarding 3 other than to counter with 4.

You gonna get ...gifted!

Santorum is fine personally believing that abortion even in the case of rape is wrong.

If Santorum ever does get raped he's perfectly entitled to carry his butt-babby to term.

That noted, trying to impose that mentality on everyone else through regressive and unjust laws is BS.

The GOP have fetishized the fetus to an unhealthy degree.

Sad thing is that to them the instant the kid is born he becomes a social parasite whom they don't want to support in any way shape or form.

Best way to keep abortion rare, safe and legal is too increase public education on these matters and easier access to Birth Control.

Because people like Santorum try to prevent education and limit access they are, in effect, pro-abortion.

Admittedly it would be a bit of a chore explaining all this to Santorum but Spud imagines it would also be pretty lulzy.

Be Well.

Ole Frothy should be sent to a southern prison and forced to carry his "gift of love" to term...

What a fucking douch-bag...

.
Wonder why republican hate that women have a right to choose?

........because they are Taliban at heart.....

......you can feel it in their posts here everyday.......

........because they are Taliban at heart.....

......you can feel it in their posts here everyday.......

#181 | Posted by skizziks at 2012-01-25 05:40 AM

LOL

And yet he's still trying to remove the google reference to his name instead of accepting it as a "neverless a gift in a very broken way".

Fundamentally....crazy.

"Don't debase an actual child by comparing it to a parasitic mass of cells that is 'human' only in genotype."

dr. likesdick proves again the inhumane view of humans held by pro-aborts. Heil Hitler, doc! You'd be right up there with the master race types with that kind of thought.

Just a quick question for all of you "fiscal conservatives": in these tough economic times of crushing national debt, where are we supposed to get the $135,000,000,000/year to pay for all of these unwanted children???

What say we start with spending the $5,500,000,000 to save the 15,000,000 starving children on the planet now before we add to that number???

Since you are all so concerned for the children...

Just a quick question for all of you "fiscal conservatives": in these tough economic times of crushing national debt, where are we supposed to get the $135,000,000,000/year to pay for all of these unwanted children???

What say we start with spending the $5,500,000,000 to save the 15,000,000 starving children on the planet now before we add to that number???

Since you are all so concerned for the children...

#185 | Posted by CaptOfUranus

Doesn't matter who pays for it, it's who gets paid for it....ie, follow the money...it's difficult to adopt here in the US not only because of regulations, but because funding is provided per child...more kids adopted = less money for someone.

Loh

Heil Hitler, doc!
#184 | POSTED BY DIABLO AT 2012-01-25 11:02 AM

Booooooo Godwin Violation - GODWIN VIOLATION! .....
BOOOOOOOOOOO - HISSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

Roe v Wade - there is no absolute right to abortion. There is no abortion right.

#173 | Posted by Petrous

Roe v Wade says that?

I don't think so.

I think it says that that abortion bans were unconstitutional in every state, thereby legalizing abortion throughout the United States.

the Court ruled that a right to privacy under the due process clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution extends to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the woman's health.

In other words, the right to privacy extends to a womans decision whether to have an abortion.

I don't think it mentions doctors at all.

As rstybeach11 points out she could use a coat hangar if she wanted.

Do WE as a society want that?

Heil Hitler, doc!

Following in your precious Pope's footsteps, Diablo?

Roe v Wade says that?

Petrous has made that same defunct argument for months, and every time he gets his nose rubbed in his own dumbfuckery.

That shitbag doesn't have a clue.

I just love the Republican Tea Bag Express!!
Just love it... :-D I mean, just when you think
they can't possibly say something more STUPID than
before...they DO!!

It is an absolutely amazing talent they have...

Keep on keeping on, I say...
Keep the dial set on "Infradouche!!"

wtg Rethugs for making it easy to be the
opposition!! ;-D

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