Bush's legacy lives on, but he will be our dictator.

Your idiot comment aside, that's just the type of govt that works best over there. You all beat me up when I said it, but it's true. Muslims only understand violence. They are not about compromise. You have to totally win with them. Defeat them totally or be inched to death.

Sooprise!

Thanks, Bush, well worth all the shattered lives and squandered treasure to...well, let the fool-in-chief tell you why it was worth it:

"A democratic Iraq will be a great triumph in the history of liberty. And a democratic Iraq will be a source of peace for our children and grandchildren."

Fucking poorly-informed, historically illiterate jackoff that George W.

Your idiot comment aside, that's just the type of govt that works best over there. You all beat me up when I said it, but it's true. Muslims only understand violence. They are not about compromise. You have to totally win with them. Defeat them totally or be inched to death.
#1 | POSTED BY BOAZ

This asshole is pathologically sick. The US military is all over their backyards, destroying their land and killing their families as if they are supposed to like it. He takes attacks against US forces as an excuse for more violence against them.

"Muslims only understand violence."

are you f'ing kidding me...

this country had a bloody revolution and a bloody civil war to be what it is as far as democracy and the republic goes.

iraq was a hodge podged bribe based goverment and the usa money is leaving...

the corrupt system we tried to impose is falling apart and you say its cause of religion.. fool.

Bush's legacy lives on, but he will be our dictator.

Yeah, but so was Saddam until the saudis bought Herbie.

Oh yeah- "Mission Accomplished".

Bush was engaged, resulting in Iraqi Democracy. Obama was disengaged, and let it all get pissed away.

#7 BloodOriface...

That's one way to look at it...

Another is that Bush happily tossed the bucket of feces at the fan with ZERO regard for the outcome, then walked away leaving America to be sprayed in the face with shit...

But, that's the way of the GOTP; legislate inept agendas, then leave the rest of us to clean up the mess...

Look at the economy, Wall Street, the environment, national security, civil liberties, etc, etc... the list goes on and on...

Look at the problems we face as a nation, a planet even... and thank a Republican...

Your idiot comment aside, that's just the type of govt that works best over here. I beat you up when you all said it, but it's true. Americans only understand violence. They are not about compromise. You have to totally win with them. Defeat them totally or be inched to death.

#1 | Posted by boaz

ftfy

Sarvis, you ARE the word in the dictionary that come's up when a search is made for the definition of 'BLITHERING IDIOT'!

Bush was wrong to go in, HOWEVER Obama IS wrong for coming out the way he did! So, as history will finally say, it WAS / IS Obama's Administration, and his lack of the abiility to heed input of his military leaders AND other knowledgeable Officials - both here AND abroad (not necessarily to follow their advice- just heed both the warnings AND advice. as offered) that inevitably led to the CAOS spreading in Iraq, therefore it IS Obama's t NOT Bush's fault!

Even an IDIOT such as I, knows followers of the Koran are told to convert heathens or KILL them! It's in the book! Lie, agree, cuss, scream - do whatever is necessary to get the job DONE! Just do it!

Read the text books currently used in our 'Muslim' schools (inside the Untied States) and theirs! ACLU, if they found American students reading these would be 'up-in-arms', suing evrybody! Not them! Nor the Latin American students curently in Arizona schools being taught revisions of OUR history!

Only WASP's need watch their back-sides! Endangered? Endangered hell, they're NON-EXISTANT!

Let's walk down history, shall we? WW1, Wilson (D), Police action Central / Latin America, Wilson (D), Segregation of Military / Federal Government (they BOTH were Unsegregated prior to his entering office), Wilson (D), WW2, Roosevelt (D), Korean Police Action, Truman (D), Bay of Pigs, Kennedy (D), Vietnam War, Johnson (D), Barracks Massacre Lebanon, Reagan (R), Iraq1, Bush (R), Assault on AlQueda Afganistan, Clinton (D), Iraq2, BushII (R), Afganistan1 Bush (R), Iraq3 - Afganistan2 - Libya1 Obama (D), and the Muslim Spring, Summer, and Fall!

The record, to date shows nothing much! Except the United States has a history of helping others - where's the blame? France helped us! Seems kind of natural - we only seem to bitch and moan when the help reachs into the Elite Levels of our population!

"Muslims only understand violence. They are not about compromise. You have to totally win with them. Defeat them totally or be inched to death."

I served in Iraq.
I spent a great deal of time engaging in KLE missions on Iraqi Army posts.
The above sentiment was also expressed many of by Iraqi soldiers I met with on those mission. After thousands of years of sword/9mm governing, it is who they are.
The fact of the matter is, you cannot force maturity on a culture. They will mature at their own pace...a pace that will take many more generations.
The only hope of a stable Iraq is a strong and unending U.S. presence.
All evidence to date proves this to be true.
Saddam was effective because he killed the citizenry and insubordinate military members indiscriminately. Iraqis knew this and Iraqis submitted. It is what they know.
The U.S. has not taken that stance. This compassionate weakness has allowed for the natural, cultural mayhem we see today.
Make no mistake, it was never about WMD, oil or Saddam Hussein. It was always about concurring Iraq, setting up a U.S. presence and being within slapping distance of Syria and Iran. The withdraw we have executed was a trial run to test the readiness of our government there. They are failing. After a trillion dollar investment to establish a strong U.S. presence in the heart of Mecca, look for the U.S. military to reenter and resecure that investment.

The record, to date shows nothing much! Except the United States has a history of helping others - where's the blame? France helped us! Seems kind of natural - we only seem to bitch and moan when the help reachs into the Elite Levels of our population!

#10 | Posted by dogen

Christ you are a delusional moron.

Iraq did not want, did not seek, did not accept our "help". We attacked and overthrew their government.

HOWEVER Obama IS wrong for coming out the way he did

So you are in favor of having our soldiers arrested by a corrupt dictator at his discretion.

"Make no mistake, it was never about WMD, oil or Saddam Hussein."

Two out of three GI, but the Iraqi oil fields were expected to be sold off in a private auction to pay for the war. From Cheney's energy meetings to the CPA's mandate to Chalabi's promises for getting out of OPEC and shipping oil to Israel, oil was the primary thing.
As for keeping an eye on Syria and Iran-saudistan and Kuwaitistan are about as close and even herbie Bush knew that the Iraqi shia were solidly linked to Iran.

"After a trillion dollar investment to establish a strong U.S. presence in the heart of Mecca, look for the U.S. military to reenter and resecure that investment."

Ain't gonna happen. Not even Republicans are stupid enough to re-invade Iraq, especially now that they are bffs with Iran. If you wanted a strong US presence in the ME, you shoulda told Dubya not to flee from saudistan.

Nice job obummer

It doesn't take a psychic to predict that Iraq is headed back to a dictatorship. It's only a matter of time. This time, the Shiites will be at the helm but I predict that the government will be just as bad or worse than that of the Baath party under Saddam. It is unfortunate that our U.S. service member's lives were wasted trying to introduce a form of government that is completely incompatible for the people of Iraq. It is way past time to pull all U.S. personnel out of that quagmire and let them fight it out. In the end, the Shiites will likely win and the government they form will probably look similar to that of the Persians to the north.

Your idiot comment aside, that's just the type of govt that works best over there. You all beat me up when I said it, but it's true. Muslims only understand violence. They are not about compromise. You have to totally win with them. Defeat them totally or be inched to death.

So you'll agree then that it's pretty fucking sad that after eights years, thousands of deaths, tens of thousands of wounded, 100,00s of thousands of civilian deaths and trillions of dollars we're right back where we started?

As time passes we are now learning more and more how ridiculously stupid the idea to invade Iraq was, just as Bush's Daddy said in his autobiography. Starting a war with Iran would be even dumber and more disastrous.

"Two out of three GI, but the Iraqi oil fields were expected to be sold off in a private auction to pay for the war. From Cheney's energy meetings to the CPA's mandate to Chalabi's promises for getting out of OPEC and shipping oil to Israel, oil was the primary thing."

As usual NG nails it.

Yay!! Saddam's been replaced, the frogs are once again lapping up the oil, and the lawyers gave away the beachhead.

Fucking AAA performance by old glory. Well worth every penny.

As time passes we are now learning more and more how ridiculously stupid the idea to invade Iraq was, just as Bush's Daddy said in his autobiography. Starting a war with Iran would be even dumber and more disastrous.

Actually, I agree. Iraq has been a shithole for about 5,000 years. Americans weren't going to change it. No one can and no one will. The cradle of civilization has had a violent history since the beginning of civilization.

It would have been better to just assassinate Saddam and move on to the next moron.

Problem is Danni that Libya, Egypt, Syria, Afghanistan are the same way.
Obama shouldn't have upset the applecart there either. Now we have the Muslim Brotherhood and the Islamo-facists to contend with. The invoice for Iraq has been paid. The invoice for this fucking mess has yet to hit and Obummer will be long gone, probably closing down some beach for Michelle when it happens.

"The invoice for Iraq has been paid."

You're not even close, especially when you count replacement parts, increased pensions, and increased veterans' health care.

Oh, and I'm sure we're still paying for "advisors" to be there.

-The invoice for Iraq has been paid.

Hardly. Besides still paying principle and interest on the money the GOP/Bush borrowed for this reelection ploy, we will have expenses for returned vets for many years to come.

We are not going anywhere as is pretty clear to anyone willing to look.

Obama tried to extend our stay in Iraq and Iraq said no, so instead he puts troops in Kuwait and increases pressure on Iran.

Warhawk Neocon.

Iraq has been a shithole for about 5,000 years.

#21 | Posted by dr_dude2

Wow!! Really? 5,000 years?

Hmmmm...

Iraq, known in Classical Antiquity as Mesopotamia, was home to the oldest civilizations in the world,[1][2] with a cultural history of over 10,000 years.[3][4] hence its common epithet, the Cradle of Civilization. Mesopotamia, as part of the larger Fertile Crescent, was a significant part of the Ancient Near East throughout the Bronze Age and the Iron Age. Successively ruled by the Assyrian, Medo-Persian, Seleucid and Parthian empires during the Iron Age and Classical Antiquity, Iraq was conquered by the Rashidun Caliphate and became a center of the Islamic Golden Age during the medieval Abbasid Caliphate. After a series of invasions and conquest by the Mongols and Turkmens, Iraq fell under Ottoman rule in the 16th century, intermittently falling under Mamluk and Safavid control.

Source: Wiki

Of course, this is all probably noise to you, fine educated American that you are. Being that the US has what, all of almost 53 years (Wow!!!!) as the 50-state union it is, well certainly that massive amount of time surely beats out the collective millenia of the region that is now modern day Iraq. Surely.

The cradle of civilization has had a violent history since the beginning of civilization.

#21 | Posted by dr_dude2

And since you make this comment Dr. Duuuuude, what has been the history of the US in its lengthy history, hmmmmm? Pretty goddamn violent. Or perhaps you forget (conveniently) just how this nation came to be. Yep, I guess the "settlers" just strolled their way across an empty continent, completely devoid of human life, but certainly rich in resources. And we all have lived in complete harmony since those first days. Especially that time when the North and the South really, really loved each other to death. Such a sweet time that was. And the blacks, they too surely came here on their own ships, pursuing that dream of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and treated as equals and well respected. Yep, it has been positively idyllic and peaceful it has. Well, except for all those trivial wars and campaigns the US was inadvertently pulled into, such as this short list from Wiki: