Hell, quit bitching and just fly the state flag of Mississippi.

Tell you what, ban the racist Nation association for the advancement of 'COLORED' people, and then we can talk.

Well, as an aspiring historian he might want to actually check out what that particular flag represents.

I would encourage "defacing" his vehicle with White Power stickers and upload his reaction to YouTube. 10 to 1 he would drive it around before removing them..

WTF is a 16 year old driving with that shit unless he's a racist prick? His first vehicle and hopefully his last. It's city transportation for you, sweet cheeks.

No worse than an al queda banner, except the southern terrorists killed a lot more Americans than al queda ever did.

The school system has no right to regulate the 1st amendment. Too many people are looking to be offended.

Nice, Redlite adovcates violence against a 16 year old kid on a free speech issue.

Your a real tough guy Redbot, you need to repost that it he 'What Obama voters say' thread.

WTF is a 16 year old driving with that shit unless he's a racist prick?

So everyone with a confederate flag is a racist prick?

You are an ignorant, broad brushing prick

Come on guys, this lad is just expressing his Pride in being a white American.

Newt

I always wondered how cars manage to stay in one piece whilst sporting the stars and bars.

I guess the coloreds are more tolerant of racist pricks than vice versa. Oh, and the rifle-racks probably help too.

his parents apparently didn't teach him properly. got no problem with punishment, but only 30 days? how about not letting him drive it to school anymore unless removed. i'm all for free speech and all, but you leave some of those rights at the door in high school....

Tell you what, ban the racist Nation association for the advancement of 'COLORED' people, and then we can talk.

No way. It's working far too well as "colored" people have advanced so far under its leadership.

WTF is a 16 year old driving with that shit unless he's a racist prick? His first vehicle and hopefully his last. It's city transportation for you, sweet cheeks.

Ah, so you assume the kid is white, eh?
What makes you think that?
I'll defer to BruceBanner for final verdict, but you sure smell like a racist fucktard.

"The school system has no right to regulate the 1st amendment.
#6 | Posted by schwit"

Yes it does, dummy. Don't like it? Get the U.S. Supreme Court to reverse itself. Good luck!

The school system has no right to regulate the 1st amendment. Too many people are looking to be offended.

#6 | POSTED BY SCHWIT AT 2012-01-20 04:51 PM | REPLY | FLAG

they do. if it's offensive, disruptive, and contrary to or otherwise impairs the educational mission of the school, it can be and is often regulated. BONG HITS 4 JESUS!

Yes it does, dummy. Don't like it? Get the U.S. Supreme Court to reverse itself. Good luck!

Posted by mOntecOre at 2012-01-20 05:21 PM

Monteboy still has the Rainbow Coalition sticker from HS...

Monteboy still has the Rainbow Coalition sticker from HS..

Crispeepee never quite earned his middle school alumni sticker..

Nice, Redlite adovcates violence against a 16 year old kid on a free speech issue.
Your a real tough guy Redbot, you need to repost that it he 'What Obama voters say' thread.
#7 | Posted by RexZeitgeist at 2012-01-20 04:52 PM

His "free speech" ends at the public school grounds.

What violence? Removable stickers? A'ight..

My point is that he would endorse being called a racist - thus the "driving around before removing White Power stickers". I've obviously touched on a personal issue with "ya'll".

"WTF is a 16 year old driving with that shit unless he's a racist prick?"
So everyone with a confederate flag is a racist prick?
You are an ignorant, broad brushing prick
#8 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 04:53 PM

I specified a 16 year old, read it again, then again.

Btw - yes, anyone flying that piece of shit flag is a racist piece of shit. Period. Including you.

"WTF is a 16 year old driving with that shit unless he's a racist prick? His first vehicle and hopefully his last. It's city transportation for you, sweet cheeks."
Ah, so you assume the kid is white, eh?
What makes you think that?
I'll defer to BruceBanner for final verdict, but you sure smell like a racist fucktard.
Never stereotype - madamenoire.com
#14 | Posted by dr_dude2 at 2012-01-20 05:15 PM

Interesting. I was hoping he was Black or Asian, but 99.99% of Confederate flag adorners are White. He probably does have sweet cheeks though, can't disprove that.. easily.:]

Btw - yes, anyone flying that piece of shit flag is a racist piece of shit.

You are clearly wrong as most broad brush idiots tend to be.

I live in the South where I see that flag flown for a variety of reasons -- and yes, one of them is for racism. But not all.

Unless you know the heart of every single person who rallies around that flag, there is no way you can label each and every one of them a racist, idiot.

Deal with reality and not emotion. You'll more likely to be better received.

#19 | Posted by redlightrobot

I've only flown over the south Buttbot so I could care less what goes on there.

I can tell you a story though.

When I was in the army a good buddy bought me a shirt with the grim reaper carrying a confederate flag, I wore it palying basketball on a court that was 90% black guys and not one of them had a bad thing to day about it.

I was in Germany geting rehab on my knee at the Landstuhl hospital right after the gulf war and I was wearing the shirt, some douche came up to me and said it was the most 'offensive' thing he ever saw, he was almost in tears over it.

The douche was white, the buddy that bought it for me was black.

Keep your white guilt to yourself.

"Unless you know the heart of every single person who rallies around that flag.....
#20 | Posted by goatman"

Goatman is the rare breed with this power. That is how he knows what is in the hearts of many of those flying that flag.

The greatest irony in RLR's post is the fact he fails to see that his prejudging nature is every bit as offensive and stupid as any racist's. I could also relate a story, Rex, that is about a person probably more leftie than RLR who has a confederate flag on his arm and I've never known to utter a racist word or commited a racist act, but the raging prejudiced RLR wouldn't understand at all. Bigots seldom do -- no matter what color they are or what their prejudices are.

#20 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

The flag represented the south during the war over slavery. It represented pro-slavery. That's what it is known for. It may represent other things or causes, but to the world, it represents pro-slavery. In portions of Asia, the swastika represented one thing, while to Hitler it represented another. Because of Hitler's infamy, the swastika is now known world wide as a representation of Naziism. Right or wrong set aside - it is what it is. If you sport the confederate flag on your car in California, odds are someone will vandalize your car. Doesn't make it right, but that's what is going to happen because of the divisive representation the flag has world wide....ahem....IMHO.

The best part about this thread is that Rex wears a shirt with the grim reaper carrying a confederate flag.

The flag represented the south during the war over slavery.

I'm not aware of "the war over slavery".

It represented pro-slavery.

It represented a lot of things. That's like saying the American flag represents killing brown people in Afghanistan (and nothing else) today.

That's what it is known for.

To those who don't know history, yes, that is only what it is known for. Not everyone is as uneducated as you suggest, however. Give those folks some credit.

#25 | Posted by JOE

Ahhhh, to be 22 again.

My girlfriend when I was about 25 y.o. tossed it out...

I was pissed for a month.

Not everyone is as uneducated as you suggest, however. Give those folks some credit.
#26 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Wow....you're actually overestimating the intellectual prowess of the country? Hmmmm...Civil War ended slavery. South pushed to keep slavery during Civil War. South represented by Confederate flag.

Slavery--->South--->Confederate flag--->Civil War - associations the vast majority of American public make, IMHO. Again, right or wrong, this is the way it is.

My girlfriend when I was about 25 y.o. tossed it out...
I was pissed for a month.
#28 | POSTED BY REXZEITGEIST

You must have really liked that shirt and worn it a lot. My girlfriend did the same thing with a shirt I wore since high school - Metallica. It had holes, but WTF? I didn't wear it in public.

"Btw - yes, anyone flying that piece of shit flag is a racist piece of shit."
You are clearly wrong as most broad brush idiots tend to be.
I live in the South where I see that flag flown for a variety of reasons -- and yes, one of them is for racism. But not all.
Unless you know the heart of every single person who rallies around that flag, there is no way you can label each and every one of them a racist, idiot.
Deal with reality and not emotion. You'll more likely to be better received.
#20 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 05:43 PM

Oh, you school me there, boy! "HEY, not everyone flying a racist flag is a fucking rtard racist, but that Chink-made truck is!"

#19 | Posted by redlightrobot
I've only flown over the south Buttbot so I could care less what goes on there.
I can tell you a story though.
When I was in the army a good buddy bought me a shirt with the grim reaper carrying a confederate flag, I wore it palying basketball on a court that was 90% black guys and not one of them had a bad thing to day about it.
I was in Germany geting rehab on my knee at the Landstuhl hospital right after the gulf war and I was wearing the shirt, some douche came up to me and said it was the most 'offensive' thing he ever saw, he was almost in tears over it.
The douche was white, the buddy that bought it for me was black.
Keep your white guilt to yourself.
#21 | Posted by RexZeitgeist at 2012-01-20 05:45 PM

You have a point regarding racism guilt (ala The Help, Schindler's List), but it's still an American symbol of racism and inequality. Would you be pissed off at someone wearing a Black Panther 14k gold plated necklace wearing over 2lbs? Perhaps something less ostentatious like clan robes or concentration camp pj's? Since you might not be White (I am) you can get away with shit like that, say "sup' nigga", etc.

"Ha-hah! This racism is killing me inside!" - Dave Chappelle

Wow....you're actually overestimating the intellectual prowess of the country?

No, I was correcting the underestimation of your view of it. That wasn't plain in my post? It wasn't a subtle point I was making.

Again, right or wrong, this is the way it is.

To the uneducated, this is true. However to those more familiar with history and less inclined to fall prey to knee-jerk symolism, it is not true.

I'm sorry you find this fact objectionable.

Oh, you school me there, boy! "HEY, not everyone flying a racist flag is a fucking rtard racist, but that Chink-made truck is!"

???

It's a symbol of racism. Stop being an asshole and remove it. Lots of people like WWII history but don't fly Nazi Flags. The argument that he's a student of history makes it even worse.

I'm sorry you find this fact objectionable.
#32 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

I'm sorry you are missing the point that we agree with each other - only you think they are more educated where I think they are not. Again, whether it's right or wrong, people across the U.S. associate the Confederate flag with pro-slavery sentiment (because of the Civil War) and also racism. No matter how "misguided" or "uneducated" this perspective may be (in your opinion), it remains to be the truth.

#31 | Posted by redlightrobot

I'm sure you used the same deductive logic in assessing Obama's religious and mentoring affiliations with Black Liberation Theology and Jeremiah Wright.

#30 | Posted by rstybeach11

I only wore it in my backyard playing on my own hoop, as soon as I was gone on a business trip for 3 days she threw it out.

And yes, she is and was a flaming lib.

people across the U.S. associate the Confederate flag with pro-slavery sentiment

We clearly travel in different crowds. The people I am familiar with do not, in general, (there are a few exceptions, of course) fit your broad brush description.

Perhaps you should associate with a more educated and/or diverse crowd. It sounds like you hang with people who form their opinions from watching Duke of Hazard reruns and think Gone With the Wind is a contemporary documentary.

Stop being an asshole and remove it. Lots of people like WWII history but don't fly Nazi Flags

I'm proud of my southern heritage just as I am proud of my German heritage. This does not mean I endorse slavery or the wholesale slaughter of jews.

You need to get over your generalization and broad brush all-or-nothing attitude. I am capable of embracing shades of gray and do not think that embracing a single aspect of my respective heritages means I embrace all else that was associated with them decades or centuries ago.

GOATMAN -

In March 1861 Alexander Stephens VP of the Confederate states of America, gave his view [on the matter]:

The new Confederate Constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution-African slavery as it exists amongst us-the proper status of the Negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution... The pews failing ideas entertained by... Most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature, that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error...

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite that idea; its foundations are laid, its corner stone rests upon the great truth, that the Negro is not equal to the white man, that slavery-subordination to the superior race-is his natural and normal condition.
--Alexander H. Stephens, March 21, 1861, reported in the Savannah Republican

I have seen that passage. Is there a point to your C&Ping it?

GOATMAN-

The Confederate flag represents the Confederate constitution - maybe not now (I am not sure), but at one time. Considering the Confederate constitution represented the above, it's hard to believe the Confederate flag doesn't represent the same.

You have to admit it has been tarnished.

#38/39 - You don't understand the concept of a symbol. You don't understand the concept of empathy. You don't understand the concept of civility and being a good neighbor.

A better explanation would be that you understand these all perfectly fine and you're just bored with your life and like to troll the DR in your spare time.

#38/39 - You don't understand the concept of a symbol.

I can make the exact same argument against anyone who claims the confederate flag represents racism and nothing else.

#39 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Are you saying you also embrace the Nazi swastika? Because I do believe there is a very strong anti-Nazi sentiment still prevalent in Germany. Obviously not the truth in the Southern States.

I understand you embrace your heritage. But you have to understand that many if not most (I haven't seen any polls depicting either way) people associate the Confederate flag with the sentiments listed out in the Confederate constitution. It's not the big of a leap...why do you have such a hard time seeing that?

The Confederate flag represents the Confederate constitution - maybe not now (I am not sure), but at one time

We agree on this. At one time it did. Over the years it has come to represent many other specific things -- racism to some (whom you are trying to argue most people see it as) and southern pride to others, or even simple rebelliousness to others.

There is nothing wrong with you having your own personal views of what it represesnts, but to claim that "people" see it as this one single thing (slavery, racism) is the height of arrogance, IMO. I respect your right to tell me what it represents to you, but when you start telling me what "people" in general think, I will disagree.

represents racism and nothing else.
#44 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

I don't think anyone, save RLR, has said that it represents nothing other than slavery. But you're having a hard time acknowledging the fact that it does also represent slavery along with other things - to which many people are uneducated about.

#47 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

*slavery = racism. My mistake.

(I haven't seen any polls depicting either way)

Then how can you possibly say that "many, if not most" people feel a certain way?

...why do you have such a hard time seeing that?

Because having observed my fellow citizens for 56 years I see nothing that makes me think you are correct. Of course I don't make presumptions as you tacitly admit you are doing, so I am at a disadvantage here.

But you're having a hard time acknowledging the fact that it does also represent slavery along with other things -

???

Really?

I live in the South where I see that flag flown for a variety of reasons -- and yes, one of them is for racism. But not all.

#20 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 05:43 PM

GOATMAN -

I will concede this argument to you because the research shows that you are right - in that most people (58% when polled) have neither a positive nor a negative view of the Confederate flag.

Although, significantly more people view the Confederate flag in negatively (30%) than they do positively (9%).

#50 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

I did miss it.

Of course I don't make presumptions as you tacitly admit you are doing, so I am at a disadvantage here.
#49 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Oh please. Get off your high horse.

"Oh, you school me there, boy! "HEY, not everyone flying a racist flag is a fucking rtard racist, but that Chink-made truck is!""
???
#33 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 06:07 PM

Don't judge me, bro! It's selective racism and intellectually dishonest, like using the n-word.

However, Blacks who do choose to use it are inadvertently advertising their own ignorance to how Blacks were abused with it.

It's a symbol of racism. Stop being an asshole and remove it. Lots of people like WWII history but don't fly Nazi Flags. The argument that he's a student of history makes it even worse.
#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2012-01-20 06:09 PM

Salient, concise, NW flag.

#31 | Posted by redlightrobot
I'm sure you used the same deductive logic in assessing Obama's religious and mentoring affiliations with Black Liberation Theology and Jeremiah Wright.
#36 | Posted by RexZeitgeist at 2012-01-20 06:10 PM

This thread is going to climax like a ghost limb reach-around, here goes: What the fuck does Jeremiah Wright have to do with defining radicalism? Okay, he says Whites have a different, more uptight rhythm.. from my personal knowledge of music he's 99% right.:]]

#53 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

I never stated any of that as fact. Furthermore I went and looked it up.

What you call presumptions I refer to as hypothesize. You don't make hypotheses? You don't know science. My hypothesis was incorrect. So goes science.

Of course I don't make presumptions as you tacitly admit you are doing, so I am at a disadvantage here.
#49 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

I never stated any of that as fact. Furthermore I went and looked it up.
What you call presumptions I refer to as hypothesize. You don't make hypotheses? You don't know science. My hypothesis was incorrect. So goes science.

GOATMAN -

Did you know the KKK also claims to not be a racist organization any more? They simply want to honor and celebrate white supremacy - er, uh, um - white history.

Time heals all wounds, right? I still don't see any of by German friends flying their swastika flags. I am not sure if they have them or not, but I am sure they have added more meaning to their symbol, but still afraid to fly it in public.

I wonder if the same will happen to the Nazi flag.

Did you know the KKK also claims to not be a racist organization any more?

No I didn't. Thank you for that factoid.

Did you know that eggshells put in broth with help clarify it?

Did you know that eggshells put in broth with help clarify it?
#58 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

How long do you boil them?

How long do you boil them?

half an hour at a very low boil. Make sure the broth is well strained through cheesecloth before hand

I wonder if the same will happen to the Nazi flag.

#57 | Posted by rstybeach11

I believe it is illegal to display the Nazi symbol in Germany.

While it is not illegal to display the confederate flag it is in poor taste as this IS a symbol of racism to many African Americans.

I used to have a confederate flag in my 65 mustang as I am from Virginia and I thought it was "cool". One day one of my darker skinned friends took me aside and explained to me what it meant to him. AS I wasn't really a student of history at that time I did some more reading and soul searching on the subject and realized that I was offending many people of color with that symbol.

While I do feel the confederate flag is part of my cultural heritage I don't display the confederate flag anymore.

If he was respectful of the pain and suffering that the black man has gone through in America he wouldn't either.

I live in the South where I see that flag flown for a variety of reasons -- and yes, one of them is for racism.

another one is ignorance

If the school had a policy of not allowing any kind of flag flying from any vehicle, then so be it. If not, then their action is discriminatory and shouldn't be allowed.

We just drove south this past week. It was good to see the confederate flag flying in different areas just because there are still those who'll shove it in the face of the PC crowd. When the NAACP goes away then it'll be time for the confederate flag to disappear.

another one is ignorance

That is also one of the main reasons people get unnecesaarily offended by the flag.

"another one is ignorance"
That is also one of the main reasons people get unnecesaarily offended by the flag.
#64 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 07:26 PM

Play devil's advocate - what would it take to change your mind regarding how hurtful the Confederate flag is to Blacks and allegedly race-guilted Whites?

If someone cried? Was murdered? How about lynched - you know, a mob of people who tear up your front lawn in their trucks, shoot their guns to stir up the fear factor, maybe they light a cross in the front, or they just burn the whole house down.. or the church.. Maybe rape, exploitation and enslavement of your entire family and everyone you know lasting hundreds of years? What will it take? What kind of "positive" image does this Confederate flag offer that you would defend it so vehemently?

what would it take to change your mind regarding how hurtful the Confederate flag is to Blacks and allegedly race-guilted Whites?

Nothing. I am fully aware some people are offended by it. I am offended by some things too, but I'm not going to whine and mewl and demand that all images of them are removed from my sight. I respect other people's right to display them.

You don't. We are different in that respect.

What kind of "positive" image does this Confederate flag offer that you would defend it so vehemently?

As always, you are so far off base, robot.

I don't vehemently defend that flag. However, I do vehemently defend a person's right to display it.

Get it?

"what would it take to change your mind regarding how hurtful the Confederate flag is to Blacks and allegedly race-guilted Whites?"
Nothing. I am fully aware some people are offended by it. I am offended by some things too, but I'm not going to whine and mewl and demand that all images of them are removed from my sight. I respect other people's right to display them.
You don't. We are different in that respect.
#66 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 07:43 PM

I gave you a directive - if you are intellectually incapable I wouldn't have presented it.

Devil's advocate for yourself - in what manner is this flag "celebrating the South through inequality"?

What does that Confederate flag mean to you?

All I've gotten is "I know it's offensive, but so is my heritage".

However, I do vehemently defend a person's right to display it.

Get it?

#67 | Posted by goatman

We got. Displaying hatred and bigotry symbols are ok by you.

And you try not to think about how it affects others.

Cause that's the kinda guy you are.

We got. Displaying hatred and bigotry symbols are ok by you

Um, no you don't got, dummerboy. let me spell it out for you AGAIN. Displaying symbols of hatred and bigotry are not OK for me. However the right to display them by others is more than OK by me.

Let me give a lefty example. I may not be for abortion, but i am for another person's right to one. I hope this example got throught that thick leftie skull of yours, dummerboy. If not, find a third grader to explain the concept to you.

#67 | Posted by goatman

And you try not to think about how it affects others.

Cause that's the kinda guy you are.

#69 | Posted by donnerboy at 2012-01-20 07:56 PM | Reply |

I can remember years ago when lefties were very concerned about discrimination, freedom of expression, and freedom of speech. Today they want the opposite. They would fall very easily under the enamourment of a glib and smooth talking leader that would take away the rights of freedom loving Americans-----uuuuuummmmmm.

These politicians/administrators are behaving like "fucking niggers" trying to label people with their own hate.

celebrating the South through inequality

???

Those aren't my words.

What does that Confederate flag mean to you?

That is irrelevant.

All I've gotten is "I know it's offensive, but so is my heritage".

???

from whom?

Sober up and try againk robot. You make no sense at all and put things in quotes that I (nor anyone on this thread) ever said.

And you try not to think about how it affects others.

???

I am saying just the opposite, dummerboy. I think how offended someone would be if I demanded that they were not allowed to practice their first amendment rights.

Don't assign false positions to me, asswipe, especially when I've made it crystal clear that I feel otherwise.

Don't assign false positions to me, asswipe,...
Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 08:07 PM |

Hahahaha. Somebody's getting pissed.

p.s. Willard!

Hahahaha. Somebody's getting pissed

If dummerboy gets pissed, that's his problem. I'm not going to stop rubbing his nose in his idiocies to protect his sensitive little self.

"celebrating the South through inequality"
???
Those aren't my words.
"What does that Confederate flag mean to you?"
That is irrelevant.
"All I've gotten is "I know it's offensive, but so is my heritage"."
???
from whom?
Sober up and try againk robot. You make no sense at all and put things in quotes that I (nor anyone on this thread) ever said.
#73 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 08:05 PM

Ah, but that's the point - it has meaning. Specifically promoting a racially prejudiced agenda, constructing in nothing less than a doctrine of "constitution". More specifically, to impose subservience and slavery. You believe it means something else entirely? What does it mean then? What about your heritage does this flag represent? Were your family slave-owners? Is that how? Just curious..

"constructed", not constructing.. agh. Rogers should fire me.

What about your heritage does this flag represent?

THe right to fly it repreents the part of my heritage that the first amendment reresents.

Honestly, I don't know how to get this simple concept through your head, so this is the last time I'll try to explain. Like dummerboy, get someone with a mental age of over 9 to explain the concept.

Good luck.

is the flag illegal to fly? no? then fuck em

#79 if you want to celebrate the first amendment, try the American flag. The confederate flag is a symbol of racism and oppression; nothing else. If you're proud of the south, then raise your state's flag.

The confederate flag is a symbol of racism and oppression; nothing else.

To the uneducated, this is indeed true. To those more familiar with history or are beholden to it for other reasons, it is not.

I used to have a confederate flag in my 65 mustang as I am from Virginia and I thought it was "cool". One day one of my darker skinned friends took me aside and explained to me what it meant to him. AS I wasn't really a student of history at that time I did some more reading and soul searching on the subject and realized that I was offending many people of color with that symbol.

While I do feel the confederate flag is part of my cultural heritage I don't display the confederate flag anymore.

If he was respectful of the pain and suffering that the black man has gone through in America he wouldn't either.

I live in the South where I see that flag flown for a variety of reasons -- and yes, one of them is for racism.

another one is ignorance

#61 | Posted by donnerboy

That's nice, very touching and ignorant as no one living has suffered under the conditions you say that flag represents.

Just like the American Indian could easily have a problem with the American flag.
Or the Poles with the Russian flag.
Irish with the British flag.
Armenian with the Turkish flag.
Colombian with the flag of Panama .
Philippines with the flag of Spain.
China with the flag of Japan.

Think of all the people in in the world that could say you can't fly your flag because it use to represent......what ever.

Why is it just the malleable putty people that get to bitch about somebody else's flag ?

Because they are still owned by the same Democratic party that has owned them from the first slave till today.

Think not, talk to some Obama voters and see how many of them think Africa is a country....sad.

Still think not, ask them which political party put the Dogs and Fire hoses on them..."it be da republitannns".

That was the answer given by an Obama voter that was hanging around with some O.W.S. folks 2 days before Christmas in a shopping mall.
I heard the question and answer myself as some of the shoppers heckled the O.W.S nitwits as the guards were leading them out of the mall.

No matter which side of the above you are on the fact that this Obama voter and I will assume many,many,many more of them are that out of touch with reality should really be of some concern to every one.
You have a significant part of the population that has history, very common history completely reversed.

So the next line of reason would be what and how many other things are significant parts of the population completely wrong on with their base facts.
Now that's scary.

.....NOPE IN NOVEMBER.....

"What about your heritage does this flag represent?"
THe right to fly it repreents the part of my heritage that the first amendment reresents.
Honestly, I don't know how to get this simple concept through your head, so this is the last time I'll try to explain. Like dummerboy, get someone with a mental age of over 9 to explain the concept.
Good luck.
#79 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 08:29 PM

Do you like this flag representing "free speech"? Even knowing which speech in particular (the Confederate Constitution) it is constructed to represent? I know you endorse individuals adopting that kind of speech, but what about if a State were to adopt it? Wouldn't that be wrong since it classifies people according to race?

Maybe I have this whole "Southerner" thing wrong, the complexities of political independence and race seem to be intermingled regardless moral or ethical compunction for rectification.

is the flag illegal to fly? no? then fuck em
#80 | Posted by panchovilla at 2012-01-20 08:38 PM

No, that swastika tattoo on your forehead isn't going to get you more lap dances, jojo.

Irish with the British flag.

Fuck the british flag

Up the Green White and Orange

Do you like this flag representing "free speech"?

Coulldn't find a third grader to explain the concept?

Oh well. keep trying.

Good luck

You could burn a lib with a confederate Flag like you could burn a vampire with a cross.

You could burn a lib with a confederate Flag like you could burn a vampire with a cross

They don't seem real keen on he whole First amendment thing, either. It's all "WAAAAH! I don't like what I see! Take it away! Take it away!"

I wonder why don' do what normal people do and simply ignore those things which offend them? Another mystery of the leftie mind that may never be solved.

Get rid of all state flags. Then the rest of us wouldn't be subjected to these moronic debates.

"agh. Rogers should fire me."

#78 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

Or at least use some lube.

That's nice, very touching and ignorant as no one living has suffered under the conditions you say that flag represents.
Just like the American Indian could easily have a problem with the American flag.
Or the Poles with the Russian flag.
Irish with the British flag.
Armenian with the Turkish flag.
Colombian with the flag of Panama .
Philippines with the flag of Spain.
China with the flag of Japan.
Think of all the people in in the world that could say you can't fly your flag because it use to represent......what ever.
Why is it just the malleable putty people that get to bitch about somebody else's flag ?
Because they are still owned by the same Democratic party that has owned them from the first slave till today.
Think not, talk to some Obama voters and see how many of them think Africa is a country....sad.
Still think not, ask them which political party put the Dogs and Fire hoses on them..."it be da republitannns".
That was the answer given by an Obama voter that was hanging around with some O.W.S. folks 2 days before Christmas in a shopping mall.
I heard the question and answer myself as some of the shoppers heckled the O.W.S nitwits as the guards were leading them out of the mall.
No matter which side of the above you are on the fact that this Obama voter and I will assume many,many,many more of them are that out of touch with reality should really be of some concern to every one.
You have a significant part of the population that has history, very common history completely reversed.
So the next line of reason would be what and how many other things are significant parts of the population completely wrong on with their base facts.
Now that's scary.
.....NOPE IN NOVEMBER.....
#83 | Posted by MENSAKOOK at 2012-01-20 08:44 PM

Oh, but there is a key difference. If you were American this makes more sense:

Enslavement of actual African Americans in the "land of the free" is what really grates. That and after hundred years of this abuse the South went to the extent of codifying this into a separatist constitution invented with the intention of keeping Black Americans in slavery.

Dogs, hoses, lynchings and guns were used on Americans by uber-conservative, racist, ignorance fucks - just like you. The vast majority of Southern Whites are still Republican.

Jim Crow laws were a modernized extension of that same blatant bigotry. There is little about the Confederacy that is appealing to anyone.

"agh. Rogers should fire me."
#78 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT
Or at least use some lube.
#90 | Posted by Tedly at 2012-01-20 08:58 PM

I walked into it. My hope was to get his take on this, but most intelligent people already understand this thread is turned a playground for masterful baiters.;]

uber-conservative, racist, ignorance fucks - just like you.

And I'll bet you actually wonder why people don't take seriously. LOL

"I don't like your support of first amendment rights, so you are stupid, racist, etc."

I hope you grow up someday, robot. You really do come across as the ignorant bigot you try so hard to portray others as. But you are just too stupid to see that, aren't you?

"uber-conservative, racist, ignorance fucks - just like you."
And I'll bet you actually wonder why people don't take seriously. LOL
"I don't like your support of first amendment rights, so you are stupid, racist, etc."
I hope you grow up someday, robot. You really do come across as the ignorant bigot you try so hard to portray others as. But you are just too stupid to see that, aren't you?
#93 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 09:04 PM

By responding to you, I'd have to reply "apparently."

Look, it's the "Battle flag", and I get that it represents opposition to Federal demands releasing the slaves, thus "first amendment" bullshit gets trotted out to defend that mistake. Yes, the South lost.. badly. It was a mistake to oppose a superior force, and to codify racism in a declaration of separation from moral and ethical responsibility.

83 | Posted by MENSAKOOK at 2012-01-20 08:44 PM

Oh, but there is a key difference. If you were American this makes more sense:

Enslavement of actual African Americans in the "land of the free" is what really grates. That and after hundred years of this abuse the South went to the extent of codifying this into a separatist constitution invented with the intention of keeping Black Americans in slavery.

Dogs, hoses, lynchings and guns were used on Americans by uber-conservative, racist, ignorance fucks - just like you. The vast majority of Southern Whites are still Republican.

Jim Crow laws were a modernized extension of that same blatant bigotry. There is little about the Confederacy that is appealing to anyone.

#91 | Posted by redlightrobot

Mmmmm....you do know who was the First Republican President was and the States that voted for him right ?

If dummerboy gets pissed, that's his problem. I'm not going to stop rubbing his nose in his idiocies to protect his sensitive little self.

#76 | Posted by goatman

not pissed at all goatturd.

just giving you enough rope to hang yourself with in your own pretzel logic...as usual.

Like this little gem.

"Displaying symbols of hatred and bigotry are not OK for me. However the right to display them by others is more than OK by me."

Can't imagine why anyone would think that a Confederate flag would be racist.

No one suggested that, but I'm sure someone out there must appreciate the time you spent putting this irrelevent post up, hans.

REITZE -
I disagree with that the term "nigger" is now on the same level as "fag". Although I enjoy South Park very much, they hardly set the moral standard of the English language.

nigger:
The word originated as a term used in a neutral context to refer to black people, as a variation of the Spanish/Portuguese noun negro, a descendant of the Latin adjective niger, meaning the color "black".[1][2][3][4]
wiki.com

Niger also in reference to the country in Africa.

It has and always will refer to black people in a derogatory way. You may have the balls to use the term flippantly in public, but I guarantee you acquaintances will judge you for using it - whether that's right or not.

not pissed at all goatturd.

Good. Take it up with the dull one. He said it, not I.

"Displaying symbols of hatred and bigotry are not OK for me. However the right to display them by others is more than OK by me.

I guess you couldn't find a third grader to explain it to you, huh? Oh well. Here's that clue again, dimwit:

"Abortion is not OK with me, but the right for others to have one is OK with me".

Sorry to throw more of that "pretzel logic" at you, but like I said, get someone with a mental age over yours (about nine or so) to explain the concept.

Good luck!

"No one suggested that..."

Oops:

83 | Posted by MENSAKOOK at 2012-01-20 08:44 PM
Oh, but there is a key difference. If you were American this makes more sense:
Enslavement of actual African Americans in the "land of the free" is what really grates. That and after hundred years of this abuse the South went to the extent of codifying this into a separatist constitution invented with the intention of keeping Black Americans in slavery.
Dogs, hoses, lynchings and guns were used on Americans by uber-conservative, racist, ignorance fucks - just like you. The vast majority of Southern Whites are still Republican.
Jim Crow laws were a modernized extension of that same blatant bigotry. There is little about the Confederacy that is appealing to anyone.
#91 | Posted by redlightrobot
Mmmmm....you do know who was the First Republican President was and the States that voted for him right ?
en.wikipedia.org
P.S.
Somebody yesterday was saying something about WIKI being great I said not so, but was pretty good on "fixed facts" thus the above link.
......NOPE IN NOVEMBER....
#96 | Posted by MENSAKOOK at 2012-01-20 09:18 PM

Ah, yes, they originally weren't "Republican", so how did the South, in all it's ABSOLUTE HATRED for Abraham Lincoln, become such a bastion of "his" party? Why is that Mister Kook? Could it be.. no. Maybe? Maybe the party has completely shifted it's polarity?

I should change "Southern Republican" to "uber-conservative racists".

Sorry RedL. Couldn't help myself. Personally I see a difference between a persons right to free speech and being politically correct. To me the confederate flag represents the southern mentality. Their views on many many things not solely slavery or racism.

But the typical Liberals reaction doesn't surprise me neither. They get offended over some pretty simple shit, nativity scenes on state property for one.

Goatman has stated he's more offended by a person being denied the right to display it as censorship than actually displaying it. Atheists say they are more offended seeing religious paraphernalia on court house lawns then the Christens right to display it. Whats the diff? Someone will always be offended and there's nothing that can be done about it. There's times in everyone's lives where all you can do is grin and bare it.

This is probably one of those times.

Come on RedL. after all we gave our inner cities to the Blacks let the Southerners have their flag.

#101 -- taking my response out of context is the best you have, hans? Fitgures. In full context:

"The confederate flag is a symbol of racism and oppression; nothing else.

To the uneducated, this is indeed true. To those more familiar with history or are beholden to it for other reasons, it is not."

IOW, "it is not" is obviosly referring to the flag being a symbol of racism and nothing else

OOPS

How sad you have to lie (taking things out of context is lying, you know) to make your point, hans. Is resroting to lies really worth your obsession over me?

I guess it is

(watch this, y'all)

Sorry RedL. Couldn't help myself. Personally I see a difference between a persons right to free speech and being politically correct. To me the confederate flag represents the southern mentality. Their views on many many things not solely slavery or racism.
But the typical Liberals reaction doesn't surprise me neither. They get offended over some pretty simple shit, nativity scenes on state property for one.
Goatman has stated he's more offended by a person being denied the right to display it as censorship than actually displaying it. Atheists say they are more offended seeing religious paraphernalia on court house lawns then the Christens right to display it. Whats the diff? Someone will always be offended and there's nothing that can be done about it. There's times in everyone's lives where all you can do is grin and bare it.
This is probably one of those times.
Come on RedL. after all we gave our inner cities to the Blacks let the Southerners have their flag.
#103 | Posted by Tedly at 2012-01-20 09:27 PM

Never apologize for posting - I don't.. often.:]

You've made a nice appeal, but I'm not buying that argument. Nativity scenes do not represent slavery and racism to many people, whereas the Confederate flag 99 to 1 does. Then again, I'm not from the South so my views aren't skewed by their shitastic politics of race.

Nativity scenes do not represent slavery and racism to many people,

I suggest you brush up on your history and become familiar with the horrors the christian church has plagued society with the last 2000 years, robot.

Or are you suggesting the churches horrors are OK because racism wasn't involved?

"Nativity scenes do not represent slavery and racism to many people,"
I suggest you brush up on your history and become familiar with the horrors the christian church has plagued society with the last 2000 years, robot.
Or are you suggesting the churches horrors are OK because racism wasn't involved?
#107 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-20 09:40 PM

Oh, so now you're sensitive of others.. riiight.

First, Jews don't put up Nativities, just the Christians - is that right? I mean, this was an important Jewish rabbi and prophet. You should just burn some synagogs for their self-loathing. Or, you could just construct a Nativity scene for them. Be sure to fly that flag of yours while doing it either way. Anyone would instantly recognize your distaste for a lack of Nativity on their lawn.

The young man probably has the right to display the flag of secessionists and traitors on his truck. However, some day when he leaves the little inbred enclave in which he lives he will be brought up short for being a racist idiot. Outside the South, most people think the display of the flag of secessionists and traitors is wrong. Not illegal, just wrong.

#96 | Posted by MENSAKOOK at 2012-01-20 09:18 PM

Ah, yes, they originally weren't "Republican", so how did the South, in all it's ABSOLUTE HATRED for Abraham Lincoln, become such a bastion of "his" party? Why is that Mister Kook? Could it be.. no. Maybe? Maybe the party has completely shifted it's polarity?

I should change "Southern Republican" to "uber-conservative racists".

#102 | Posted by redlightrobot

" Maybe the party has completely shifted it's polarity? "

So now it the Republicans putting the Dogs and Fire Hoses on the blacks not the Democrats.....damn where was I, I must have missed that.

Remember its just the Libtarts saying White Southerners hate Blacks.

And only the Libtarts.

21 Northern Cities that had riots.

7 Southern Cities that had riots......mmmm 3 to 1, you libs are the best most enlightened people on the planet.

Civil Rights and Black Power Movement's Period: 1955 - 1977
1958: Battle of Hayes Pond (Maxton, North Carolina)
1963: Cambridge riot of 1963 (Cambridge, Maryland)
1964: Harlem Riot of 1964 (Harlem neighborhood, Manhattan, New York City)
1964: Rochester riot (Rochester, New York)
1964: Philadelphia 1964 race riot (North Philadelphia section of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)
1965: Watts Riots (Watts neighborhood, Los Angeles, California)
1966: Division Street Riots (Humboldt Park neighborhood, Chicago, Illinois)
1966: Hough Riots (Hough community, Cleveland, Ohio)
1966: North Omaha, Nebraska (North Omaha community, Omaha, Nebraska)
Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967: Tampa Riots, (Tampa, Florida)
1967: Texas Southern University Riot (Houston, Texas)
1967: 1967 Detroit riot (Detroit, Michigan)
1967: Buffalo riot (Buffalo, NewYork)
1967: Milwaukee Riot (Milwaukee, Wisconsin)
1967: Minneapolis North Side Riots (Minneapolis, Minnesota)
1967: 1967 Newark riots (Newark, New Jersey)
1967: Plainfield riots (Plainfield, New Jersey)

Protests of 1968
1968: Orangeburg massacre (Orangeburg, South Carolina)
1968: Nationwide riots following the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. 1968: Baltimore riot of 1968 (Baltimore, Maryland)
1968: Chicago (April 1968) (Chicago, Illinois)
1968: Louisville riots of 1968 (Louisville, Kentucky)
1968: 1968 Washington, D.C. riots (Washington, D.C.)

1969: 1969 York Race Riot (York, Pennsylvania
1969: Stonewall riots (Greenwich Village neighborhood, Manhattan, New York City, New York)
1970: May 11th Race Riot (Augusta, Georgia)
1970: Jackson State killings (Jackson, Mississippi)
1971: Camden Riots (Camden, New Jersey)
1972-1977: Escambia High School riots (Pensacola, Florida)

.....NOPE IN NOVEMBER.....

#109 John47; that was well said.

"Displaying symbols of hatred and bigotry are not OK for me. However the right to display them by others is more than OK by me.

I guess you couldn't find a third grader to explain it to you, huh? Oh well. Here's that clue again, dimwit:

"Abortion is not OK with me, but the right for others to have one is OK with me".

All the third graders have gone to bed here.

I see they are still up in Texas tho.

So you would tolerate the display of symbols of hatred and bigotry in your presence and you will allow others to have abortions in your presence.

Not sure how you are equating the two but I guess that is just your pretzel logic at work.

I am glad to hear you are so tolerant and recognize the rights of women to control their own bodies and you respect their rights but I do not celebrate your apparent tolerance of bigotry and hate (via their symbols in this case) in your presence.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

But, I guess that is just the kinda guy you are!

Not sure how you are equating the two

Of course you're not. You need to be smarter than a third grader to be able to do so. Most of them understand the concept of freedom of speech by that age and being tolerant of things they don't necessarily believe in themselves.

Sorry you are having such a hard time with the concept. It is one of the beauties of our Constitution, dummerboy.

and for his next act, goatman will be defending slavery as americana, constitutionally protected, and only understood by intelligent people. if you disagree with him, you're just too stupid to get it and against free speech.

and for his next act, goatman will be defending slavery as americana, constitutionally protected, and only understood by intelligent people.

???

Really? I don't see anything in the Constitution that protects slavery.

Are you really this fucking stupid? And why are you so willing to admit that you are?

Most of them understand the concept of freedom of speech by that age and being tolerant of things they don't necessarily believe in themselves.

Maybe that's how you dooz it over there in Texas.

Over here on the Left Coast Hate Speech and bigotry is not one of those things you have to tolerate and it is not really covered under Freedom of Speech. Freedom of Speech is not a license to hurl Hate at others.

Like yelling fire in a crowded theater. I don't agree with it and if I can I will hold the person or persons accountable should bad things happen because of it.

Good Men do something about it whenever we can.

I applaud the school for standing their ground against bigotry, hate and ignorance.

Maybe that's how you dooz it over there in Texas.

Most anywhere in the USA that appreciates the first amendment dooz it tha way AAMOF.

Over here on the Left Coast Hate Speech and bigotry is not one of those things you have to tolerate and it is not really covered under Freedom of Speech.

So the confederate flag which you claim is a symbol of hate speech is not allowed in California? I think you are lying. Please provide a link proving your point.

I applaud the school for standing their ground against bigotry, hate and ignorance.

I applaud those who appreciate the first amendment and simply ignore speech they find distasteful instead of trying to silence it.

I'll wait for that link that says the confederate flag is not allowed in California.

The more you whine, the more you convince me that California is just a bunch of fucking thin skinned crybabies, dummerboy. "WAAAAH! I don't like that piece of cloth! Get it away from me! Get it away from me! Make lots of laws to protect from that evil woven fabric! WAAAAAH!"

Leftie mentality on steroids.

"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

#112 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Boy this one sure is getting worn out.

Here DonnerBoy try this one on for size:

"A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small bundle."

...or:

"Anger is never without a reason, but seldom with a good one."

"He's a full-blooded American and he wants to go into the Air Force and be in special forces," Gene Collier said.

rrriiiiggggggghhhhtttttttttttt
ttttttttt. And I want to be an astronaut.

Fucking redneck white trash.

To those who don't know history, yes, that is only what it is known for. Not everyone is as uneducated as you suggest, however. Give those folks some credit.

#26 | Posted by goatman

Bullshit.

Only someone with an agenda or a fool ignores the centrality of slavery in the civil war. Every issue claimed by the south has slavery at its heart. Shit, many of the declarations of secession differentiate between southern states and northern states by slavery status.

Obviously you're as familiar with history as you are with honesty.

To the uneducated, this is true. However to those more familiar with history and less inclined to fall prey to knee-jerk symolism, it is not true.

LOL you're such a dishonest POS. You're clearly familiar with shit if you deny the centrality of slavery to the Civil War.

Perhaps you should associate with a more educated and/or diverse crowd. It sounds like you hang with people who form their opinions from watching Duke of Hazard reruns and think Gone With the Wind is a contemporary documentary.

Riiiggghhhttttt. Is this the intellectually adept rig monkeys you're referring to or someone else?

I'd bring up the topic of personal bias but I doubt you have the intellectual honesty to discuss it.

I'm proud of my southern heritage just as I am proud of my German heritage. This does not mean I endorse slavery or the wholesale slaughter of jews.

Look beyond the end of your own nose and maybe, just maybe, you'll see the problem here.

Are you saying you also embrace the Nazi swastika? Because I do believe there is a very strong anti-Nazi sentiment still prevalent in Germany. Obviously not the truth in the Southern States.

So long as you can cherry pick the meaning of something that's exactly what he's saying.

If he's in support of nationalism, a strong military, a strong currency or any of the ideals the Nazis held, he should support the flying of swastika flags.

Or he can be so lacking in decency as to never take a moral stance on a topic, making his opinion worthless in a large % of cases.

When the NAACP goes away then it'll be time for the confederate flag to disappear.

#63 | Posted by matsop

So two wrongs do make a right?

Jackass. (around here that's a grievous insult)

To the uneducated, this is indeed true. To those more familiar with history or are beholden to it for other reasons, it is not.

LOL the blind leading the blind evidently.

But the typical Liberals reaction doesn't surprise me neither. They get offended over some pretty simple shit, nativity scenes on state property for one.

Wow. That you'd even draw the comparison shows you to be retarded beyond repair.

LOL you're such a dishonest POS. You're clearly familiar with shit if you deny the centrality of slavery to the Civil War.

*yawn*

Honestly, you shouldn't let that chubby gained by "I'm gonna get him!" overcome reason and try to change history. Now go get rid of that bulge in your pants and calm down, idiot.

Look beyond the end of your own nose and maybe, just maybe, you'll see the problem here.

OK. I do, and I see:

#123 | Posted by jpw at 2012-01-21 02:44 AM

You're right. Problem identified.

Obviously you're as familiar with history as you are with honesty.

Pretty much. Sadly both seem beyond your reach.

Fucking redneck white trash.

#121 | Posted by jpw at 2012-01-21 02:15 AM | Reply | Flag: Fucking brow down looking holier-than-thou elitist

jpw

Three letters that say, in short: just another thin skinned lib who hates freedom of speech, and being intolerant and unable to ignore the stuff he finds offensive like we live-and-let-live adults do, he expects the government to step in and and erase everything in the country that gets his pretty pink panties in a wad.

"WAAAAH! I hate this flag! Make it go away! Make go away, big government! It offends me!", he rants as he thrashes about on the floor on his hands and knees continuing his childish snit fit.

Only someone with an agenda or a fool ignores the centrality of slavery in the civil war.

Only an incandescently stupid yankee fuck, weaned on a steady diet of popular culture and post-1960s public school U.S. History, could puke such an assertion.

If you don't like our flag---or any other exhibition of our regional pride and identity, for that matter----then go fuck yourself.

But do so quietly and out of sight.

Jackie Meeow shows, once again, that not only is he a half-assed goatroper but a piss-poor student of American history.

Although the root cause of the Civil War eludes some of our poorly-informed and ahistorical contemporaries - I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and not marking it down to simple stupidity - such was not the case for those most directly involved in that struggle. They knew, from the get-go, exactly what the war was about: slavery.

About a month before the the US military installation at Fort Sumter, Alexander Stephens - the CSA veep - spelled out quite clearly what the impending war was about:

It's a pity the Lost Cause meme took such a hold on the Southern imagination after the Civil War. There were a number of causes for this unfortunate development, not the least that it started out as a Virginia-based notion and Edward Pollard and Jubal Early had access to some of the few printing presses remaining in the region once the gunsmoke blew away and the dust started settling.

A fine setting forth - fictional, of course, but reality-based (which cannot be said the bobbing-and-weaving behavior of those who deny slavery's position of centrality on any factually oriented list of the war's causes) - is found in the film "Gone With the Wind."

Poor guy, he (and the school administration) probably don't even know the flag he had on his truck was probably NOT the "Confederate flag" but the naval jack. He would have been much better off though, if he had the Cuban flag along with a picture of Che Guevera. I bet he would have received honr student rewards. The Mexican flag reaps rewards too.

Che Guevera.

I almost mentioned him upthread on one of my rants about people being upset about certain images and the people who sport them who do not understand them. I could idiotically say that the people who wear his image do it out of love of marxism and nothing else. But that wouldn'tbe true. I think most people sport his image as a statement of their rebeliousness.

Likewise many, if no most people who sport the confederate flag do it out of a sense of rebellioin (they were called the 'rebels' after all. It doesn't take a leap of logic to associate their flag with rebelleion). But no, there are actually idiots alive (read some of their posts on this thread) who make bold brush brush statements like, "People fly this flag as a symbol of racisms and nothing else". Anyone with a brain knows this simply isn't true.

This is another hypocrisy of the left. You have folks like Teddy Kennedy etal. who used to say "I'm personally against abortion but a woman has a right to make her own choice". Maybe they should be saying on this issue: "I'm personally against flying a confederate flag but another person has a right to make their own choice". But we all know how inconsisent the left is and how they want to take away everyone else's rights if they don't conform to their view of the world versus the constitution. The left are truely evil people.

"All we've got is cotton, and slaves and ...arrogance."

And a piss-poor understanding of history.

"Anyone with a brain knows this simply isn't true."

And I would also wager that none of them know the flag flying in South Carolina is NOT the Confederate flag NOR a battle flag.
I find it ironic that there was so much hell raised over the state flag of Mississippi a few years back that they changed it. If you look at the NEW flag it looks almost identical to the REAL Confederate flag and now everyone's happy. Cracks me up....fools!

"All we've got is cotton, and slaves and ...arrogance."

Bulshit...we's also got grits 'n corn likker 'n all the arogance is brot down heer by thim fucken yankees whut kips relocatin heer. Hell, we's even had to make room fer more represents fer Congriss :-)

If you look at the NEW flag it looks almost identical to the REAL Confederate flag and now everyone's happy. Cracks me up....fools!

#141 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2012-01-21 11:39 AM | Reply

Just representative of the left----it's not about consistency or standards; it's about perception, activism, and wanting their own way. They're like children whose parents are afraid of disciplining them. They whine and cry when they don't get their way until their parents mollify them by giving in. Then they grow up and to their abhorrence find out that there are conservatives and other folks not like them who have been brought up by parents with values and discipline. They think that conservatives will fall in line just like their parents but when they don't they still fall back on whining and throwing hissy fits---but to no avail.

You must have really liked that shirt and worn it a lot. My girlfriend did the same thing with a shirt I wore since high school - Metallica. It had holes, but WTF? I didn't wear it in public.

Why do you white guys let girlfriends make decisions like that? A girlfriend has no right to make any changes on ANYTHING in a boyfriend's life. Hell, my wife doesnt throw away anything of mine without me knowing it.

You must have really liked that shirt and worn it a lot. My girlfriend did the same thing with a shirt I wore since high school - Metallica. It had holes, but WTF? I didn't wear it in public.

Why do you white guys let girlfriends make decisions like that? A girlfriend has no right to make any changes on ANYTHING in a boyfriend's life. Hell, my wife doesnt throw away anything of mine without me knowing it.

Hell, my wife doesnt throw away anything of mine without me knowing it.

#144 | Posted by boaz

Is she your wife or your maid, MachoMan?

If he's in support of nationalism, a strong military, a strong currency or any of the ideals the Nazis held, he should support the flying of swastika flags.

Or he can be so lacking in decency as to never take a moral stance on a topic, making his opinion worthless in a large % of cases.
#124 | Posted by jpw at 2012-01-21 03:17 AM | Reply

The kid is 16, and probably not in tune with the daily whining by the usual PC crowd looking for reasons to be offended and complain. Maybe you were some outcast and dork in HS back then and those years are forgotten. Or you were taught at an early age how to be a whining pathetic lib and worry about shit having nothing at all to do with you in any way...

Hell, my wife doesnt throw away anything of mine without me knowing it.

#144 | Posted by boaz at 2012-01-21 11:58 AM | Reply

I have stuff that goes back 20+ years in my closets. My wife throws out stuff and I don't even know it since I haven't seen it in 20 years. How do I know? She tells me later. Then when I complain and say I might want to use it again, she always replies "what, in 20 years from now?"

"WAAAAH! I don't like that piece of cloth! Get it away from me! Get it away from me! Make lots of laws to protect from that evil woven fabric! WAAAAAH!"

Leftie mentality on steroids.

#118 | Posted by goatman

We know we know Goatsee. The south will Rise agin! I guess it won't be Yosemite Perry leading the way this year tho will it? Maybe Ron Paul? I hear he is bigoted. Is he bigoted enough for you though?

Anyway...So why not just parade around in a "piece of cloth" that looks like KKK regalia?

Make sure you wear the white pointy hat. And remember..it's just a piece of cloth. What? We can't even wear them as costumes on Halloween? What's up with that?

Goatsee... you are a fine example of the Lost Cause mentality... on alcohol.

Have another drink friend ... you'll feel so much badder.

We know we know Goatsee. The south will Rise agin!

*sigh*

Once again dummerboy lives up to the name. I've said a dozen times it's a freedom of speech thing, not a black hate thing.

Why are you having such a hard time with this, dummerboy?

So why not just parade around in a "piece of cloth" that looks like KKK regalia?

Because there are better ways to endorse the first amendment. However, their dunce hat shaped headgear would fit you given your inability to grasp my point about the first amendment and your insistence on moving the goalposts.

Have another drink friend ... you'll feel so much badder

???

You equate freedom of speech issues with "badness"?

Fuck you're stupid and don't mind screaming it out to the world

The kid is 16, and probably not in tune with the daily whining by the usual PC crowd looking for reasons to be offended and complain

Too bad we have to put up with people (?) like dummerboy who hate the first amendment and is scared shitless his precious little eyes might see something that offends him.

"Stop it! Stop it! Get rid of that nasty piece of cloth, Mr. Big Government! I am too weak minded to look away and I am offended! WAAAAAAAAAH!"

dummerboy and other 1st amendment hating assholes

"Is she your wife or your maid, MachoMan?"

RACIST...I kinda figured all along but now it's out in the open. Nulli is racist, racist, RACIST!

Why do you white guys let girlfriends make decisions like that? A girlfriend has no right to make any changes on ANYTHING in a boyfriend's life.
#145 | Posted by boaz

You're not all wrong there. I see it happen to guys all the time, not just white guys though. In a lot of ways they become stepford boyfriends because they are so happy to be in a relationship. That gets old over time, and before you know it, they are resentful, bitter and they act out in inappropriate ways. It happened to my brother. I told him I thought it was uncharacteristic of him and he reacted angrily. He is divorced now (his ex-wife is an *$&#(#$$!) and admits I was right. I feel sorry for his next girl friend though. LOL.

"We know we know Goatsee. The south will Rise agin!"

The South IS rising, you idiot. Didn't you see how many representatives the South gained and the fuckin' Yankees lost last election? Hell, Texas gained four by themselves. Pretty soon they'll outnumber CA and NY. Laugh it up, idiot, we're gonna force you to eat black-eyed peas and hog jowls before it's over. You'll be forbidden to say "youse guys" and the NY baseball team name will have to be changed. Get ready, fool, look around, the SOUTH IS RISING! LOL

"The South IS rising, you idiot. Didn't you see how many representatives the South gained and the fuckin' Yankees lost last election?....Get ready, fool, look around, the SOUTH IS RISING! LOL"

When you're finished patting yourself on the behind about congressional representation, think there's anything you guys can do about your regional literacy -- actually, illiteracy -- rates, ridiculously high obesity, and general backwateredness? LOL.

NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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sorry I just dont believe this...we are lectured daily that its US CONSERVATIVES who want to tell people what to do, think, and not do...

his mistake was not putting some anti christian sticker on...

nice play doc....salinsky # FIVE....

"...actually, illiteracy -- rates, ridiculously high obesity, and general backwateredness? LOL."

Certainly none of that in Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Los Angeles or San Francisco though....right, Doc? LOL, why do you want to put you and your fellow academeee er uh, "educators" in such a bad light about those illiteracy rates, huh? Thanks for proving my point you ignorant, condescending asshole. LOLOL, you and your little tenured pals are supposed to be fixing all that stuff and you've just put yourselves on report as abject failures...LOLOL.

think there's anything you guys can do about your regional literacy -- actually, illiteracy -- rates,

I hate to put a political spin on it, so I'll let these two maps speak for themselves. They look eerily similar, don't they?

just this week came out that mississippi is the most obese state in the union....so is there anyway to not appear to be racists in talking about it? Not here I would venture..

but poor people eat bad food more than people with money....those dollar menus are great for the pocketbook but not so much for the waistline..

BUT EVEN That...

another excuse for the left to tell you what you can and cannot EAT....
YES...its the old 'slippery slope' dance...

"...think there's anything you guys can do about your regional literacy -- actually, illiteracy -- rates,..."

The irony, it's absolutely funny. Here we have good ol' Doc, a PhD and an "educator," and he's trying to blame illiteracy on "you guys" instead of blaming himself and his fellow "educators." Face it Doc, you ain't "gettin''er done" like we're paying y'all to do and if y'all didn't have tenure and union protection we'd give you a hoe and put you out there in the cotton fields. All that time and expense of that fantastic doctorate and wandering the halls of academia and you can't do anything useful. Get out in the world, get some REAL education, quit reading Klutzman and get a REAL job and let some REAL teachers cure illiteracy.

The irony, it's absolutely funny.

It is. Did you look at the maps I linked to? The lowest literacy (or highest illiteracy) rates are almost exclusively in blue counties.

Open up each of the two maps in a tab on our browser and flash them a few times. You can hardly tell a difference.

"...it's a freedom of speech thing, not a black hate thing"

Oops:

*yawn*

Honestly, you shouldn't let that chubby gained by "I'm gonna get him!" overcome reason and try to change history. Now go get rid of that bulge in your pants and calm down, idiot.

I haven't changed history. It's right there on the intertubes for anyone to see if they want to.

Slavery was at the core of damn near every reason the Confederacy stated for secession.

And your boner talk is just creepy. I'm not axe, leave dicks out of this one.

You're right. Problem identified.

Obviously not. The problem is that in this type of situation, your intention or meaning by flying said flag is meaningless to those who are perceiving it and taking issue with it. Explain all you want what it means to you, that doesn't change anything for them.

Three letters that say, in short: just another thin skinned lib who hates freedom of speech, and being intolerant and unable to ignore the stuff he finds offensive like we live-and-let-live adults do, he expects the government to step in and and erase everything in the country that gets his pretty pink panties in a wad.

"WAAAAH! I hate this flag! Make it go away! Make go away, big government! It offends me!", he rants as he thrashes about on the floor on his hands and knees continuing his childish snit fit.

Actually I don't personally give two shits if someone puts a Confederate flag on their truck. (Notice I didn't say I agreed with the action?) It's the BS excuses and rationals afterwards by the people flying it to cover the fact that they knew what they were doing when they displayed it.

"...it's a freedom of speech thing, not a black hate thing"

You quoted me. I was speaking for myself.

OOPS

Don't try to attach me to whatever stupid links you put up hans. It is, as usual for you, dishonest and lying. Also I specifically stated upthread that some people do use it as a hate thing.

OOPS

So next time you quote me, relate the rest of the post to something I actually said, liar.

OOPS

I planted the bait, Now jump through my hoop, Mr. "Live in the Now"

Maybe the kid is trying to get laid. At 16 I remember that pretty much trumped common sense. Or he is trying to show off. Again, wtf cares?

Only an incandescently stupid yankee fuck, weaned on a steady diet of popular culture and post-1960s public school U.S. History, could puke such an assertion.

And yet the wannabe cowboy's diet of southern public school US history and pride is to be better trusted.

I've heard all the rationales and in previous debates on this same topic here have read many of the declarations of secession. Slavery was a stated reason by those very people doing it. Wishing it wasn't so doesn't make it true.

Again, wtf cares?

Obviously a lot of thick skinned 1st amendment hating lefties who are so brainwashed they hate something because they are told to instead of simply ignoring it.

"Obviously a lot of thick skinned 1st amendment hating lefties who are so brainwashed they hate something because they are told to instead of simply ignoring it."

I agree with the thick skinned lefties always looking for reasons to open their yaps and impose what "they" think are someone's intentions. I just doubt this 16 YO kid can even cite the first amendment and again is simply trying to be cool.

. Slavery was a stated reason by those very people doing it.

More specifically, yes. More generally it was states rights and one of those was in deed slavery. Another was control over their cotton trade. Another was control of their ports. These things were also stated.

But race baiters like to zero in and focus on this one thing because it stirs up more hate and shit than citing another member of the states' rights set like cotton trade.

This is especially disingenuous when you consider that very, very few people actually owned slaves. It doesn't make sense that 94% of the people would fight a war so that the 6% could keep their slaves.

But again, today it's about race baiting and hate as is being proven on this thread.

...kid can even cite the first amendment and again is simply trying to be cool.

Exactly. Just like the kids who think they are cool with the CHE! Tshirts. They have very little if any idea what the man was about or what he did. But the shirt is cool and rebellious.

This is especially disingenuous when you consider that very, very few people actually owned slaves. It doesn't make sense that 94% of the people would fight a war so that the 6% could keep their slaves.

Well first of all, those 6% would be the ones with the influence to do something like secede.

Second, when one takes the issues in their entirety slavery is a large part of that. It can't simply be ignored and glossed over by terms like "states rights".

But again, today it's about race baiting and hate as is being proven on this thread.

Because like it or not it was there. It can't and shouldn't just be conveniently forgotten.

I've heard all the rationales and in previous debates on this same topic here have read many of the declarations of secession. Slavery was a stated reason by those very people doing it. Wishing it wasn't so doesn't make it true.

#168 | Posted by jpw at 2012-01-21 02:21 PM | Reply |

So what's your point? The northern states were in violation of the constitution and southern states (in their own interests) were using that violation to secede. There were probably other reasons as well and they used the slavery issue as the reason to secede in order to advance all their needs.

My point is that some are wrongly trying to whitewash history by downplaying or ignoring slavery's role in the Civil War.

Ironically they're claiming those calling them on it are ignorant of history LOL.

...ignoring slavery's role in the Civil War.

???

Who is ignoring it?

I might add the northern states probably used the slavery issue to attempt to keep the southern states in the fold because they knew their economic ass was on the line if the southern states were allowed to secede. JPW and others that have been propagandized (e.q. we went to war with Libya for humanitarian reasons) can't wrap their arms around the fact of "follow the money" which the civil war was primarily about.

"Certainly none of that in Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Los Angeles or San Francisco though....right, Doc?"

Sure there is. But the density of it in the region you're extolling is shockingly overwhelming and obvious.

You can live there and enjoy whatever it might have to offer without becoming a buffoonish boomer for the place.

Give it a try sometime.

"This is especially disingenuous when you consider that very, very few people actually owned slaves. It doesn't make sense that 94% of the people would fight a war so that the 6% could keep their slaves."

Is it any wonder why the South wanted to secede after Lincoln was elected?

1860

The results of the 1860 census show a total population of 31,183,582 including 3,950,528 slaves or 13% of the population. Slaves equal 2% of the population in what would be Northern Aligned States and 39% in Southern Aligned States. The total population for Northern Aligned States was 22,080,250 and for Southern Aligned States was 9,103,332. In the Northern Aligned States 8% of the families owned slaves and 31% in the Southern Aligned States. 57% of the population in South Carolina were slaves and 49% of the families in Mississippi owned slaves.

November - Abraham Lincoln is elected president. Lincoln received 40% of the popular vote and won 59% of the Electoral votes. He was not even on the ballot in the deep south.

No one alive has ever legally owned a slave, yet white guilt clowns love to imagine they are a slave being beaten by the white master, it is a sexual thing.

I watched 'The Help' the other day, one of the most vile, disgusting and unpleasant movies ever made, there was absolutely no reason or redeeming value for making that movie.

I can see Michelle Obama watching it while doing arm curls, promising to make whitey pay for past transgressions, white guilt males watch it and cry while masturbating.

Countries always have to propagandize the masses with noble reasons for major policy decisions especially involving war. The examples are innumerable. The civil war was no different. After a war is over, the victor is always able to rewrite history to its' satisfaction---the civil war revisionism is no different. Then easily manipulated minds lap it up and the misinformation is carried. forward.

Who is ignoring it?

so all this teeth gnashing really is just an admission that the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism?

so all this teeth gnashing really is just an admission that the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism?

???

No

I didn't realize you were so binary. Now I understand why the nuances that are infinite shades of gray escape you.

I might add the northern states probably used the slavery issue to attempt to keep the southern states in the fold because they knew their economic ass was on the line if the southern states were allowed to secede.

Interesting, I was always under the impression the north, being industrial, wasn't very dependent on the south, being agricultural, and that the south actually represented dead weight due to their economic model.

JPW and others that have been propagandized (e.q. we went to war with Libya for humanitarian reasons) can't wrap their arms around the fact of "follow the money" which the civil war was primarily about.

You assume too much.

I have no doubt the North's true intentions were to use slavery as a flash point. In fact, IIRC the biography of Lincoln that I read explained that quite clearly.

A rectangular variant of the square Confederate Army battle flag was used by a few Army units, such as the Army of Tennessee. (This flag is similar to the second naval jack design adopted, except with darker blue bars.) Despite never having historically represented the C.S.A. as a nation nor officially recognized as one of the national flags, it is commonly referred to as "the Confederate Flag" and has become a widely recognized symbol of the South.

Ah, the South. Warm breezes, peach trees, the scent of Honeysuckle, and FLIES! WTF is it with all the flies down there? Flies and Roaches big enough to intimidate cats and all but the bravest of dogs.

"My point is that some are wrongly trying to whitewash history by downplaying or ignoring slavery's role in the Civil War."

No they aren't. They simply don't buy into slavery being the "only" reason. Some question the union ignoring the Constitution as a valid reason, and I for one think that was as big as them wanting to keep slaves.

"Ironically they're claiming those calling them on it are ignorant of history LOL."

Says the clown pretending anyone has ignored the role of slavery...

In the Northern Aligned States 8% of the families owned slaves and 31% in the Southern Aligned States.

Interesting numbers. Higher than I expected and much higher than 6%.

"Interesting, I was always under the impression the north, being industrial, wasn't very dependent on the south, being agricultural, and that the south actually represented dead weight due to their economic model."

Ironically they were dependent on about 400,000 slaves at the time though. Go figure the northern states where 2% of their population were slaves.

Interesting numbers.

Apparently there's a wide range of them. Here's where I got mine:

Only 6 percent of Southerners owned slaves, and 3 percent of those owned the majority

Says the clown pretending anyone has ignored the role of slavery...

After rereading the thread I see that this is correct.

I misremembered Bruce's post stating it's the sole reason and therefore Goat's response and everything else past it.

Reading over the posts on this thread, I do wonder if there is a difference between a Southerner proud of his heritage displaying a Confederate flag and a German proud of his heritage displaying a Nazi flag.

From a distance, the Confederate flag has always appeared to be a symbol of racial pride and hatred similar to the Nazi flag.

FTA: I recently lived in Mississippi for a year...

Well, there ya go.

Meh, this flag thing has been going on for a really long time now.

Is it a simple symbol of southern pride or does it connote a racist mindset?

Well, ya either gotta ban the thing like it was a swastika or let the first amendment rule the day.

Spud generally favors the 1st whenever a question like this arises and this time is no exception.

So... let yer freak flag fly but don't e surprised if people ask you what your screen name is over at Stormfront.

Kinda off-topic but...

Is it a simple symbol of southern pride or does it connote a racist mindset?

deth, you are making the same mistake everyone else on this thread is. It's not an either/or thing. It is different things (more than the two you listed) to different people.

But I'm glad to see your endorsement of the 1st amendment regardless the reason the individual embraces the symbol.

I would think 31% is high.

#189 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-21 03:06 PM | Reply

"Most Southern white families did not own slaves: only about 384,000 out of 1.6 million did. Of those who did own slaves, most (88%) owned fewer than 20 slaves, and were considered farmers rather than planters. Slaves were concentrated on the large plantations of about 10,000 big planters, on which 50-100 or more slaves worked. About 3,000 of these planters owned more than 100 slaves, and 14 of them owned over 1,000 slaves. Of the four million slaves working in the South in 1860, about one million worked in homes or in industry, construction, mining, lumbering or transportation. The remaining three million worked in agriculture, two million of whom worked in cotton."

Everyone knows that the racist black panthers and the racist SS Nazis liked to wear black shirts so I think we should "ban" black shirts. From this day forward, in the name of "progress"...anyone that wears a black shirt shall be considered a racist and subject to a "hate crime" violation of the law. We can have a black shirt burning party and anyone that refuses to remove their black shirt can be burned at the stake all in the name of "tolerance"!!!

I watched 'The Help' the other day, one of the most vile, disgusting and unpleasant movies ever made, there was absolutely no reason or redeeming value for making that movie.

#180 | Posted by RexZeitgeist at 2012-01-21 02:51 PM | Reply

Rex, I watched "the help" and actually enjoyed it. Sure, most of these kind of movies are overdone and knowing Hollywood, insidious propaganda, but I still enjoyed the movie----especially when an elitist ends up eating a "shit sandwich".

I watched 'The Help' the other day, one of the most vile, disgusting and unpleasant movies ever made, there was absolutely no reason or redeeming value for making that movie.

#180 | Posted by RexZeitgeist at 2012-01-21 02:51 PM | Reply

Rex, I watched "the help" and actually enjoyed it. Sure, most of these kind of movies are overdone and knowing Hollywood, insidious propaganda, but I still enjoyed the movie----especially when an elitist ends up eating a "shit sandwich".

We can have a black shirt burning party and anyone that refuses to remove their black shirt can be burned at the stake all in the name of "tolerance"!!!

#195 | Posted by Dirk at 2012-01-21 04:27 PM | Reply |

Geeeez, Dirk, don't get pissed. I just took mine off.

Freedom of speech gets shitcanned when the libs have the reins. At least that is a constant that doesn't change from day to day and we can count on it.

#199 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2012-01-21 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag Supports the Muslim Mosque at Ground Zero

Liberals everywhere support Free Speech and join you in your support for Muslims everywhere.

#194 | Posted by matsop at 2012-01-21 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

It makes no difference if they owned slaves or not. Hundreds of thousands of southerners gave their lives in support of slavery. They were never Americans. They were Southerners. Their legacy lives on today. The South has been a cancer to America and freedom since the beginning of the country. The Civil War should never have been fought. Lincoln should have let them go, and America would have been a much better country today.

Matsop, there was zero redeeming value to that movie whatsoever, it was only meant to incite racial hatred.

The whole concept was disturbing and unnecessary.

They were never Americans. They were Southerners

As always, you are wrong, bOoB. They were Americans, weren't for a few years, then were again. Pick up a history book for fuck's sake.

Here's another amazing factoid: No one alive ever owned a slave. It's very doubtful that anyone alive grandparents owned a slave.

Get over it. You take pride in smokestacks on the moon. What's wrong if someone takes pride that they're multi-generational southerners? Those of us with a brain can comprehend that they are able to separate the actions of their ancestors with their actions at the time. Sadly, you cannot. That makes you the loser -- no matter what your ancestors did.

As always, you are wrong, bOoB. They were Americans, weren't for a few years, then were again. Pick up a history book for fuck's sake.

As usual, you are mistaken. They were never Americans. Americans stand for human freedom and dignity. Southerners never stood for that then or now. Being an American is more then being born in this county. An American has freedom in his heart for all people. Many Americans are not American citizens. Many American citizens are not Americans.

Here's another amazing factoid: No one alive ever owned a slave. It's very doubtful that anyone alive grandparents owned a slave.

As usual, you are mistaken and completely devoid of facts. Human trafficking is a very real problem today, and there are many slaves in America.

Get over it. You take pride in smokestacks on the moon.

Now wtf are you talking about? If you would like to deflect to smokestacks on the moon, I will gladly humiliate you on the subject as usual.

What's wrong if someone takes pride that they're multi-generational southerners?

Nothing at all---just as long as they realise they aren't celibrating being American, since they aren't Americans. It seems very logical for them to support there history of bigotry, hatred, and human oppression.

Those of us with a brain can comprehend that they are able to separate the actions of their ancestors with their actions at the time. Sadly, you cannot. That makes you the loser -- no matter what your ancestors did.

I doubt you have any idea what people with brains think at all. You simply prove my point. Southerners are Southerners, not Americans---never have been, never will be.

#203 | Posted by goatman at 2012-01-21 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

*yawn*

I know what 204 says without reading it.

what a stupid thread. this is not a first amendment issue. you don't have first amendment rights in school. it's a place where you should be learning how to fit into society. you're going nowhere in this world with that flag on your pickup truck. ask "niggerhead" perry about how doing things to look cool in front of your friends comes back to bite you on the ass.

what a stupid thread. this is not a first amendment issue. you don't have first amendment rights in school. it's a place where you should be learning how to fit into society.

What an odd contradiction. The first amendment iss a very, very huge part of the society here in the USA.

No?

#207 not in school.

#207 not at work.

#207 not in a job interview.

#207 not if you want to be a leader.

#207 not in school.

Then first amendment rights should be valid.

#207 not if you want to work in a team

#207 not if you want to work on an oil rig - eh goat? imagine some dumbfuck insulting everyone he works with.

LOL

Brucie wants to trample 1st amendment right pretty much everywhere. I'm glad he's not in charge!

Funny thing is, it is the first amendment, in part, that allowed his ridiculous string of spams.

#180 | Posted by RexZeitgeist at

I watched it with the Mrs and thought it was a good movie. She liked the book better. I'm sure that shit went on in Mississippi at the time. Hell, that was racist central.

Regarding the 16 year old, why the hell does a confederate flag piss off people?

Supporters of the flag view it as a symbol of southern heritage and the independence of the distinct cultural tradition of the South from Northern government - wiki

I can see a Nazi flag getting the boot.

#207 not if you want to work on an oil rig - eh goat?

Wrong. The first amendment is respected and utilized there.

imagine some dumbfuck insulting everyone he works with.

LOL Not hard. I can imagine all the "dumbfucks" insulting all the other "dumbfucks" from the captain down to the lowest seaman every day. I see it. YOu ought to hear their "insults" for me being the pinko commie liberal on board.

But they (we) aren't thin skinned pussies who get their panties in a wad over a piece of cloth like you.

Sorry to burst your little balloon on the reality of offshore living brucie baby. You obviously wouldn't last 10 minutes on a rig with the odd preconceived notions you have.

Yo Buzz!

I can't impress upon you how much I hated that movie, maybe more then any other movie I have ever watched, I found zero humor in it.

A person would have to be a real moron to think that they have free speech rights on the job, in the classroom, in the military, etc.

#217 oh so you're a tough guy with your flag? that's what it's about? it's a dick-extension?

#217 now i see what's going on here. you're like those teenage punks who walk around with their pants around their ankles, limping, ice in the ears, tattoos everywhere - just peacocking to say look at me! i'm a rebel! i'm tough! i have a right to do what i want and everyone should accept me! wah wah wah

The first amendment is respected and utilized there... I can imagine all the "dumbfucks" insulting all the other "dumbfucks" from the captain down to the lowest seaman every day. I see it. -- #217 | Posted by goatman

It sounds like you don't know what the 1st Amendment is. It does not prevent employers or schools from restricting speech, and in fact anti-discrimination (hostile environment) laws make restricting speech almost a legal necessity in both workplaces and schools.

#217 now i see what's going on here. you're like those teenage punks who walk around with their pants around their ankles, limping, ice in the ears, tattoos everywhere - just peacocking to say look at me! i'm a rebel! i'm tough! i have a right to do what i want and everyone should accept me! wah wah wah

???

Hardly. I simply corrected your bizarre notion of what life is like on an oil rig. Our behaviour there has nothing to do with our lives on the bank.

Are you really this dense?

Again, sorry I shattered your pre-conceived notion of what life on an oil rig is like.

#223 dodging the point again. did i ask you what life on a oil rig was like? no.

#217 oh so you're a tough guy with your flag? that's what it's about? it's a dick-extension?

Why is it when everyone who comes to this thread starts losing the 1st amendment battle they move the goalposts to me being some sort of toughy because of the flag.

I never said such a thing.

Read. The. Fucking. Thread.

It has nothing to do with me supporting the flag. It has to do with me supporting first amendment rights, idiot.

Get it?

#223 dodging the point again. did i ask you what life on a oil rig was like? no.

You are right. You TOLD me or at least strongly implied it -- that insults never happen there.

not if you want to work on an oil rig - eh goat? imagine some dumbfuck insulting everyone he works with.

#214 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2012-01-21 07:10 PM

#218

You didn't find the shit pie funny?

What did you hate about it? The spoiled white bitches treating the help like shit?

#226 - Poor Goat, arguing with idiots...

I that the pie skit was horrific, serious man, that movie was trash.

I'm sure the Obama campaign loved it, but I took a shower after watching the Help, to clean the slimy feeling it left me with.

It sounds like you don't know what the 1st Amendment is. It does not prevent employers or schools from restricting speech, and in fact anti-discrimination (hostile environment) laws make restricting speech almost a legal necessity in both workplaces and schools.

Phoenix -- my work environment is almost exlusively men. The 5% or so who are women work in the galley cooking and clean our rooms and do our laundry. Most of the crew rarely interact with them, but when we do, we are quite polite.

Yes, we have to do the annual corporate on-line sex discrimination thing and all that. But it is unnecessary for two reasons: 1) All the guys know to tone down their rhetoric when in the presence of females. 2) the rare occaison that a guy lets something raunchy slip in the presence of a female, they (the female) understand. They consider the previous actions of that person. IOW, they actually think

IOW, people in my workplace are not thin skinned idiots who go crying to Houston that they saw a flag they didn't like, or overheard a joke they didn't like or saw a nudie calendar on the wall they didn't like. It is that kind of common sense that makes life possible on an oil rig.

From what I read on this thread, there are a lot of people (without exception, they are all libs) who are so thin skinned and lacking in common sense that they get offended over an X with stars on it and think the whole world has to stop because of it.

P.L.E.A S.E.

I'm glad i work in a real environment with real people that commonsense, not impulsive fits of PCism rule.

#226 - Poor Goat, arguing with idiots...

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

#227, 230 awww, i love a happy ending.

Yes, we have to do the annual corporate on-line sex discrimination thing and all that. But it is unnecessary for two reasons: 1) All the guys know to tone down their rhetoric... -- #229 | Posted by goatman

IOW, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee free speech in the workplace. That's what people here have been trying to tell you.

IOW, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee free speech in the workplace.

No one tries to stifle our speech where I work. Sensibilities between management and workers prevail. I guess I can add sensible corporate managment of the workplace to the other bennies I have at my job.

Unfortunately for the future of our children, idiots can vote without being forced to be educated about the Constitution. Idiots who are stuck on watching Snookie, eating hoo hoo's, and ding dongs are legally allowed to vote in this country. Hell, even the right of the dead to vote is being heralded by the DOJ!

"Idiots who are stuck on watching Snookie, eating hoo hoo's, and ding dongs are legally allowed to vote in this country."

watching Snookie, eating hoo hoo's

There's a lesbian pr0n tape out there with Snooki?

*rereads*

Crap, she meant Ho-Hos.

Be Well.

/"Hoo Hoo" is a euphemism for "vagina".
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#200 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Showing support for the murdering pukes that want to rub our noses in the blood of 3000 murdered Americans is not "free speech". Are you sure your name isn't Bagdad Bob?

Are you sure your name isn't Bagdad Bob?
#237 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Are you sure your name isn't Mortimer Snerd?

Are you sure your name isn't Mortimer Snerd?
#238 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Another enemy lover hear from - it figures. You and bagdad bob might be happier living in Iran. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Showing support for the murdering pukes that want to rub our noses in the blood of 3000 murdered Americans is not "free speech". Are you sure your name isn't Bagdad Bob?
#237 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Not sure if you're really racist or just pretending to be.

Another enemy lover hear from - it figures.
#239 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

No, clearly you're not Mortimer Snerd; even he's not as ridiculously stoopid.

I've got: Mr. Shit for Brains.

"I've got: Mr. Shit for Brains."

Who is this really? Is that you, Zat?

No, clearly you're not Mortimer Snerd; even he's not as ridiculously stoopid.
I've got: Mr. Shit for Brains.
#241 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

WAaaa arcade 'fester isa pickin' on me agin! He done squeowed on me arcade..Waaaaaa.

It doesn't surprise me at all that all the right-wing, nut-job racists would crawl out of the sewers to make this thread a 250-post-exercise in mental masturbation...

Nothing like a rebel flag thread to bring out the racist cock-gobbling rig monkeys.

Nothing like a rebel flag thread to bring out the racist cock-gobbling rig monkeys.

And nothing like a racist cock-gobbling rig monkeys to bring out the shit and male body part obsessed axecrement. LOL

PS, el estupido, I was arguing first amendment rights. Read the thread, shit lover.