The woman is 51 years old, and her idea of resolution and empowerment is clicking defriend on a lame social media network. Utterly pathetic.

If you're not going to go to the cops, or show up at the guys house and beat him with a bat, but sit at a computer forty years later and type some lame message, the severity of the event seems to lack any real legitimacy.

I'll do this in a more thought-provoking manner than Jackass will, and hopefully before he posts here:

"Hey, I slutted around with you and your friends 39 years ago and decided to call it rape rather than what it was, a bunch of kids being _really_ fucking stupid. I went to a cemetery with the bad kids and chugged a ton of alcohol. I didn't say no at the time and remember being flattered. Hell I let you guys run a train on me and didn't start screaming until it was over. Shit, even when telling this story now I can't admit I did anything wrong at any point. You probably don't even remember me, but I've thought about you every waking moment of my life. I'm not even going to bother finding out anything about you, or look up the other guys, or even talk to you, I'm just gonna get revenge! At the last instant I decided not to ruin your marriage, but instead I'm gonna write an article; using my real name, and leave clues for your wife to decipher so I can fuck up your marriage anyway. Just like when we were kids and I didn't say no, this won't be my doing at all, either."

Now that I'm done being a more-literate version of Jackass; I'm really sorry this lady's life got fucked up, but the fact is she's STILL not taking responsibility for her actions. Actions have consequences, and, contrary to what some people think, you can't go into certain circumstances and expect not to be harmed. I once heard a woman say "I should be able to walk nude into a biker bar and be perfectly safe." No, honestly you really shouldn't. You don't get to go where the Barbarians hang out and expect them to behave like good civilized Romans. Different subclasses of society have different rules, and frankly it's demented how many men and women thrillseek and then suddenly want their mother when everything goes to shit. A seven year old knows better than to go out late at night and get drunk with a bunch of hoodlums. and to do something about it NOW? Almost 40 years later? For all we really know this girl thought having a train pulled on her was awesome, felt guilty, and rewrote the entire scenario. Innocent until proven guilty is supposed to apply across the board.

40 years is a long fuckin' time for memories to get fuzzy, especially ones you obsess about and blame as the cause of all your problems.

Remember folks, EVERYONE INVOLVED was a child.

The woman is 51 years old, and her idea of resolution and empowerment is clicking defriend on a lame social media network. Utterly pathetic.

Sending the message to confront him was what was empowering. I imagine that's something a lot of rape victims fantasize about doing.

What he and his friends did to her as as a teen was pretty sick.

For all we really know this girl thought having a train pulled on her was awesome ...

A nerdy, awkward 13-year-old virgin would think that was awesome? C'mon, dude.

What he and his friends did to her as as a teen was pretty sick.

#3 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2012-01-14 05:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

So you're saying she had an expectation of safety getting drunk in the middle of nowhere with the bad kids with a female/male ratio of 2:1? You're saying she bears no responsibility whatsoever, and while she was a child at the time, the boys were somehow magically NOT children at the time?

A nerdy, awkward 13-year-old virgin would think that was awesome? C'mon, dude.

#5 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2012-01-14 05:42 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You don't know that's what she was. You only know that's what she is now claiming she was. 40 years is a long fuckin' time, and honestly it's pretty insulting to an entire gender to claim they're incapable of enjoying forbidden and nearly anonymous sex. If the boys weren't children than neither was she. If she was a child, then so were they. You don't get to half-ass it. Either everyone involved was an incompetent minor, or nobody was. Was she capable of sound judgment or not? Were they?

You're saying she bears no responsibility whatsoever, and while she was a child at the time, the boys were somehow magically NOT children at the time?

She was a 13-year-old kid. Going out to a cemetery at dusk with rough-sounding kids was not wise, but lots of kids make unwise decisions like that without being gang raped. Who cares that they were boys? Thirteen is old enough to know that raping people is evil.

But I'm not going to get into any more blame-the-victim bullshit. She didn't name her rapists. The story's about her experience as she related it.

We had a case up in a town 40 miles from me of a girl who got caught banging some guy by her father, a 14 year old girl with a 13 year old boy, and she started crying rape to get out of trouble. The boy was flabbergasted and was headed for juvie that same night. The local newspaper condemned him as some sort of animal rapist. A private eye was hired by his father, and came up with evidence of what everyone who wasn't part of the "polite" society (the girl was part of said society) already knew: that she was pretty much fucking half the boys in the town (as well as some adults who went to jail for it). Had a PI not gotten involved, 40 years from now she might have convinced herself it was, in fact, rape. We don't know what really happened.

Also, not all consensual sex is a pure hearts and fairies one on one scene of beauty surrounded by harp-stroking Cherubim. Sometimes it's dirty, raunchy, forbidden fucking. Sometimes it involves multiple partners, of both genders. Sometimes it involves animals, whips, chains, people shitting on each other and who knows what all. It's not JUST men and "low" women interested in these things.

All of that, however, relies on everyone involved being adults. If she was a teenager and so were all those boys, either everyone was a clueless fuckin' kid or nobody was. Women are not inherently stupid or inferior or in need of special protection. Possession of breasts does not mean you lack a brain. Are kids kids or are they adults?

She didn't name her rapists.

#8 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2012-01-14 05:57 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

In fact, /b/ apparently figured this all out back in June, lol.

Oh and to make it clear: Fuck "blaming the victim" Were they or were they not children? Why is she a child but they're adults? Why do you automatically believe someone saying "Hey something bad happened 40 years ago?"

Do you or do you not believe in "innocent until proven guilty"?

Where do your principles end? Where does rationality go and emotion begin? How do you know the boys not victims as well? How do you know she didn't make the whole damned thing up for 15 minutes of fame? You don't know a thing about this. Did you just take that prostitute's word when she claimed a LaCrosse team raped her?

Why do you automatically believe someone saying "Hey something bad happened 40 years ago?"

It goes without saying that any first-person account might not be true. If we didn't comment on anything until we knew beyond a doubt that it was true, this would be a quiet place.

I see no reason to think she's lying, so I'm talking about the story as she related it.

I'm not going to pore over 4Chan to see why you think her attacker has been identified. I didn't see anything in her story that would make him identifiable.

Forget the children, forget the guilt and blame game. What's really lame is thinking a facebook message solves something. Online, virtual realities are destroying social interaction enough as it is; having an alleged rape victim come to terms with something that emotional and that severe, on something as shallow and artificial as FB is the really sad thing.

Rogers, you didn't just comment on this 'story', you propogated it by reposting what may be a complete lie.

Hell, maybe the guy accepted the friend request so he could apologize for being a stupid teenager. For all this lady knows, the guy was drafting some heart-wrenching mea culpa when he gets some message alluding to his daughter being raped too.

Rogers, you didn't just comment on this 'story', you propogated it by reposting what may be a complete lie.

It was a compelling first-person perspective on the life-long trauma of being raped as a child that ran in the New York Times. If you need to be protected from information, there's a button you can push on your PC that will make it all go away.

Hell, maybe the guy accepted the friend request so he could apologize for being a stupid teenager.

True. There was another story I read like that, where the attacker was horrified by what he'd done all those years ago.

But that's pretty rare.

For all we know Dorri Olds could be a complete liar, or a jilted yong lover who thought she and this guy were going to get married and have babies together, or she has warped the incident in her head, she admitted she was hammered.

Maybe he never existed, maybe this incident never happened at all.

The point is, Dorrie Olds should keeep her dark secrets to herself no good could come from this weird diatribe being put to paper for the world to read.

Every kid has had some awkward sexual encounter, I always took no as no, but it's possible that some young lady I was with felt I pressured her.

Hell, I felt that way from some young ladies at times.

But wiping your dark sexual memories from early teenage years across the face of America is no way to handle it, especially since the guy has no way to respond to the claim.

It was a great but sad story of a woman deeply hurt by someone who is generous enough to not want to hurt innocents for her own feeling of revenge. I like this lady.

"Every kid has had some awkward sexual encounter,"

A gang rape is not an awkward sexual encounter. Not even close.

A gang rape is not an awkward sexual encounter. Not even close.

#23 | Posted by danni

I never saw anything like that as a kid, and I would have stopped it if I had.

We have no idea what really happened.

Ok first off she admitted dressing like a slut and then she went out drinking in the middle of the night with these guys. She obviously wanted it and if she didn't she was still asking for it. No judge in their right mind would ever convict a guy for running a train on her. She knew what she was doing. A lot of women have this type of fantasy but feel cheap after living it. She should just own up to it.

For all we know Dorri Olds could be a complete liar, or a jilted yong lover who thought she and this guy were going to get married ...

You didn't even read the story before telling me indignantly I shouldn't have posted it here. It was a gang rape, not just one guy.

It was a great but sad story of a woman deeply hurt by someone who is generous enough to not want to hurt innocents for her own feeling of revenge. I like this lady.

#22 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2012-01-14 06:52 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Except for the part where she spewed it all over the Internet and media in such a way that her attacker can be identified; so now when his life gets ruined she gets to convince herself she didn't do it to said innocents.

"We have no idea what really happened."

Actually you are right, we don't. And SOHEIFOX makes a good point though I really hope that doesn't happen.

Except for the part where she spewed it all over the Internet and media in such a way that her attacker can be identified ...

I see nothing in her story that would make it possible to identify her attacker.

"I see nothing in her story that would make it possible to identify her attacker."

You don't think she had girl friends in those days who remember her and who couldn't figure out who she is talking about?

You don't think she had girl friends in those days who remember her and who couldn't figure out who she is talking about?

After all these years, it doesn't seem likely to me. The only people likely to know who's she's talking about are the rapists and perhaps other kids who went to the cemetery that night but left before the attack.

I have lots of old school friends on Facebook going all the way back to first grade. If any of them wrote that piece, I'd have no idea who was being talking about.

I have lots of old school friends on Facebook going all the way back to first grade. If any of them wrote that piece, I'd have no idea who was being talking about.

#30 | Posted by rcade

Were you raped?

And of course, you mean 'alleged rapists'.

I see nothing in her story that would make it possible to identify her attacker.

#28 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2012-01-14 07:34 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Really? You don;t see the part where she talks about what interactions she had with the wife on Facebook? I doubt a lot of women have specifically used sideways smilies and talked about dogs with Dorri Olds. She probably remembered that. Except this isn't even theoretical. Again, the "Anonymous" that everyone thinks is so awesome apparently drove the guy and his wife off Facebook back in June over this.

You're helping Dorri get even more payback by giving her even more press, and you don't even know if it's true.

What's disgusting about this is if Dorri's lying, the person she's slandering doesn't even have legal remedy. After all, she didn't _directly_ name anyone, and the resultant harassment wasn't _directly_ her fault.

Hit /b/ and ask them yourself. They'll be happy to laugh about it again.

I never saw anything like that as a kid, and I would have stopped it if I had.
We have no idea what really happened.

#23 | POSTED BY REXZEITGEIST AT 2012-01-14 06:57 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I had actually seen guys running a train on a girl at a party as a teenager myself. I wasn't in on it but I also wouldn't have stopped it because the girl seemed to be enjoying herself. There are chicks who _like_ raunchy sex. Shit, the only reason I wasn't "in on it" myself is I was too damned shy. How d'you think you'd feel if YOU had, and many years later she was claiming rape?

Again, the "Anonymous" that everyone thinks is so awesome apparently drove the guy and his wife off Facebook back in June over this.

I'm not going to wade through 4Chan to figure out what you mean here. The piece just ran. Anything that happened in June has nothing to do with it.

#35 | Posted by rcade

Yea, who has 1 minute to slog through 4chan?

That is asking too much of anyone.

Shit, the only reason I wasn't "in on it" myself is I was too damned shy. How d'you think you'd feel if YOU had, and many years later she was claiming rape?

The reason you didn't do it is because you're smarter than the other guys at that party. If that girl was drunk or high, she would have been in no position to consent. And if she was sober, what are the odds she wasn't nuts given the behavior she was engaging in? In either case, it's not a situation you wanted to be in.

Besides, gross.

I was told my freshman year at college about a girl who a bunch of guys had sex with at a dorm room party. The guy telling my friends and I the story had participated in the sex, and he and his pals were proud of themselves for not walking her home to her dorm afterwards. By his description, the girl was totally drunk and in no position to consent. We were so disgusted by his story he left and never spoke to us again.

Yea, who has 1 minute to slog through 4chan?

I'm not wading through it because of all the porn, you putz.

Porn?

back in a few!

I was told my freshman year at college about a girl who a bunch of guys had sex with at a dorm room party. The guy telling my friends and I the story had participated in the sex, and he and his pals were proud of themselves for not walking her home to her dorm afterwards. By his description, the girl was totally drunk and in no position to consent. We were so disgusted by his story he left and never spoke to us again.

#37 | Posted by rcade at 2012-01-14 08:42 PM

I remember in college watching 4 guys tag team a girl that was loaded on Valium and alcohol. I was going to participate but I didn't want to be locked up for rape. Maybe I should have intervened but I didn't because I was too busy watching.

And if she was sober, what are the odds she wasn't nuts given the behavior she was engaging in?

#37 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2012-01-14 08:42 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Why do you think any woman who'd consent to these sorts of things is "nuts"? Why do you think an entire gender is incapable of safely and sanely enjoying raunchy sex?

Sohei I read your post and you and I both see eye to eye on this. She was a dumb slut and got what she deserved.

Nice to see some of the biggest douchenuggets on the DR supporting the rape of a young teen and her rapists.

Shitheadfix, WrecksZitgrease and Jackass it's my wish for only bad things to ever happen to you and anyone unfortunate enough to be your own children.

Why do you think any woman who'd consent to these sorts of things is "nuts"?

We're talking about teens, not adults. That kind of behavior is often associated in teens with hypersexuality and bipolar disorder.

40+ years later, get a fucking life loser. You were all kids obviously high. WOW what a wasted life. I think she just needs to suck on a gun barrel and get it over with.

Good greif I don't know if you can say anyone is right here. What I do wanna know is why she isn't blaming her parents? For the love of god they let a 13 year old dress like a slut and go to a party I mean did they buy the kids the alcohol themselves, drop her off at the cemetary? Jeeze and she came home drunk and gang banged and they didn't notice? Holy shit my daughter is 16 and some times I wish I had chipped her but I still have a pretty good idea of where she is at all times and I'll be damned if she is going to step out of the house dressed like a slut.

If you wanna blame someone why not start with the people who raised you to sneak off to a party in a cemetary and didn't care? You were a kid the boys were kids where is a single adult in this picture?

"If you wanna blame someone why not start with the people who raised you to sneak off to a party in a cemetary and didn't care?"

Blame the victim. How disgusting, I hope nothing awful ever happens to your daughter but should anything ever happen I hope you don't blame her for it because of the outfit she chose to wear.

Updated to add TaoWeenie and Ass2Mouth to the douchenugget list.

Reaganquaff58 wishes she was gang raped.

...I hope you don't blame her for it because of the outfit she chose to wear.

And if I get mugged wearing expensive and flashy jewelry in a ghetto, I bear absolutely none of the blame for my situation?

Get real, danni.

By his description, the girl was totally drunk and in no position to consent. -- #37 | Posted by rcade

That's the big issue. Even if she had been sober, at 13, she was in no position to gauge the consequences -- which is why 13 is well below the legal age of consent.

I get what you're saying about the guys being clueless, Sohe, in part from discussing issues like this with college students. You become part of the problem, though, when you're so focused on what this particular woman can prove that you convey absolutely no empathy for rape victims in general, no condemnation for rape, no recognition that drugging someone b/c you know they'd never have sex with you otherwise is despicable, etc. etc. Do you really think you're doing young men any favors by contributing to ignorance that could lead to their getting locked up?

After hearing only her side I cannot lay blame anywhere. But WOW, you decide to do this 40 years later. This gal needs some serious help, or a .38.

Goatman, I really hope that you're not equating getting robbed for going full pimp in South Central to a 13 year old getting gang raped.

Wrecks, I don't have the correct set of equipment for that activity. Although, I do have magic in my underwear. H/T to Goatman on another thread.

It was a great but sad story of a woman deeply hurt by someone who is generous enough to not want to hurt innocents for her own feeling of revenge. I like this lady.

#21 | Posted by danni

Of course you do. You are a liberal.

Speaking for me, I knew at 13 that rape was not only wrong but would possibly land my in jail. There seems to be a lot of prurient lust for rape among some of the worst losers on here. I'm hoping that you're not sitting at home rubbing one out while playing toddler toucher games in your collective heads.

By his description, the girl was totally drunk and in no position to consent. -- #37 | Posted by rcade

That's the big issue. Even if she had been sober, at 13, she was in no position to gauge the consequences -- which is why 13 is well below the legal age of consent.

Didnt she say her mom said not to go out in that skirt? Does she hold any responsibility for not listening to mom? Does she hold any responsibility for going out with the "bad" kids? I wonder if she knew what drinking all that wine would do to her?

Boaz rears his ugly head as another blame the rape victim proponent. Nice. I hope you have no female progeny, though on the other hand if you did and they made a less than perfect decision and got raped it might be a valuable object lesson for you.

#58 -- Danni wouldn't answer my question in post #50. Do you care to take a stab at it, reagan58?

Does she hold any responsibility for not listening to mom?... -- #57 | Posted by boaz

Yes. Grounding sounds like a reasonable consequence. Gang rape? Really Boaz?

@Goatman, if you're seriously equating having objects stolen from you to being gang raped it's a non sequiter. Of course she would have been better off had she not made decisions that she did but it's far worse to be raped than to have your bling stolen from you. There is no equivalency at all. You know that, but you're just on The Troll as is your norm.

Danni,

I'm sorry where did I blame her? Oh thats right I blamed her parents you whiny douche. So if my daughter got raped for going out dressed like a slut to a party in a cemetary I guess I would blame myself huh? Her mom told her not to wear that out but she did anyway? What the fuck is that why did she get to do it anyway? If I tell my daughter she can't wear something out she doesn't wear it out.

So yeah because I condem everyone in this situation I am a pro rape asshole. Got it so parents have no job to keep their kids safe? It's a bunch of drunk ass hold boys fault and not their parents fault for not teaching them rape was wrong, or her parents for letting her go out dressed like a slut to a party in a cemetary.

Seriously what part of party in a cemetary sounds like a good idea to any adult? Hell she could have been dressed like a nun and that would have still been a very fucking bad idea.

We know one thing for certain....This woman is an attention whore.

Goatman, if you're seriously equating having objects stolen from you to being gang raped it's a non sequiter

My point wasn't about comparing the severity of the crimes, but since you brought it up, it is indeed a valid point. Let's run with it:

Rape is, as you imply, is a much more serious crime. Therefore, more thought should be put into presenting oneself to prevent it than thought put into preventing personal theft. After all, we spend more time and money per passenger on the security of air travel v bus travel.

Thank you, reagan58.

This is Sohei's typical stance on issues like this. The only people ever accountable for their actions in his world are those on the receiving end of a taser, firearm or in this case, intoxicated minors getting gang raped.

christ there are alot of disgusting people in the world

first of all mini skirts were all the rave back in 73 IIRC

a 13 yr old wearing a short skirt is NOT slutty and not an invitation to rape

there is no justification for assaulting someone sexually, under any circumstances

for all those tripping down memory lane and looking back fondly to witnessing or participating in group assaults on women, you are vile and should be locked away, think back to what happened to the cheerleaders in The Accused

When I was in college i was in my frat late at night and there was this passed out girl sitting on a couch in our living room, two or three guys were working on her shirt and kissing her. I chased them off and took the girl to my room where she slept it off on my couch.

that is the mark of a real man

ter hearing only her side I cannot lay blame anywhere. But WOW, you decide to do this 40 years later. This gal needs some serious help, or a .38.

#52 | Posted by glasshouse

Is it any suprise that asshouse is completely ignorant of the victimization of sexual assault?

Didnt she say her mom said not to go out in that skirt? Does she hold any responsibility for not listening to mom? Does she hold any responsibility for going out with the "bad" kids? I wonder if she knew what drinking all that wine would do to her?

#57 | Posted by boaz at 2012-01-15 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag: Was obviously never 13

We need to have Nanc here saying the 13 yr old deserve what happened to her.

Jackass did that, but he is a joke

If you are going to accuse someone of a criminal offense an article to the New York Times is not the place to do it. That is why we have courts so both sides can have the opportunity to present their side of the story. It's called the justice system. As it stands given the fact that no trial has been held this is simply sensational bullshit from some attention whore. It's just another version of the Jerry Springer Show.

"Therefore, more thought should be put into presenting oneself to prevent it than thought put into preventing personal theft."

Goatman wants us wearing burkas. Gee thanks Goat but it gets awfully hot down here in Florida.

Goatman wants us wearing burkas

???

This is your best response, danni?

OK, I have to assume you have no valid argument for my point if you have to make up shit like this. Hint: In situations like that, it is better just to remain silent, danni. That was a seriously stupid reply to my valid question to you.

"If you are going to accuse someone of a criminal offense an article to the New York Times is not the place to do it."

She didn't accuse anyone, she just told a story about what had happened to her. She has every right to do so and it is likely some young woman may read it and be more careful so it may do some good that she wrote her story.

"OK, I have to assume you have no valid argument for my point if you have to make up shit like this."

Because you don't have an argument. Women have the right to wear what they want and still be safe from rapists. I don't know where you get your blame the victim mentality but it's sort of sick. I was just kidding about the burka, they are a degrading symbol of the patriarchal society in the primitive Muslim world.

"I'm sorry where did I blame her? Oh thats right I blamed her parents you whiny douche."

And you think blaming the victim's parents instead of the person who committed the crime is the correct response. Sick.

She didn't accuse anyone, she just told a story about what had happened to her. She has every right to do so

#73 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2012-01-15 11:33 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I have every right to let everyone here on the DR know about how this real liberal female poster that lives in Florida sexually assaulted my loins however that does not make it just.

THere's a better chance Danni would assault your lions than your loins

"I have every right to let everyone here on the DR know about how this real liberal female poster that lives in Florida sexually assaulted my loins however that does not make it just."

And you could tell that story but, unlike the woman in the story, no one would believe you. You'd just make a fool of yourself.
Seriously though, what you are basicly saying is that this woman had some obligation to keep this story a secret. She had no such obligation.

THere's a better chance Danni would assault your lions than your loins

#77 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2012-01-15 11:41 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I like to imagine that if presented to her she would be rendered helpless unable to control her natural desires in the face of such manliness.

"THere's a better chance Danni would assault your lions than your loins"

FF

Women have the right to wear what they want and still be safe from rapists.

I never said otherwise, danni. Let's keep the goal posts firmly planted.

I also have the right to walk in the ghetto with flashy and expensive jewelry and not get mugged. But if I choose to do so and I get mugged, beaten, and badly hurt, you agree that I bear absolutely no repsonsibility for my harm because I made the foolish choices I made.

Right danni? Do you contend taht I would be completely blameless? Yes or no and no more moving goalposts or assigning false positions to me again.

Seriously though, what you are basicly saying is that this woman had some obligation to keep this story a secret. She had no such obligation.

#78 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2012-01-15 11:45 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Not at all! Quite the opposite? What I am saying is that she, as a citizen of this country has the obligation to protect other potential victims by bringing this individual or groups of individuals to face a jury of their peers. If she does not have the fortitude to do that and have the courage of her convictions then shut the fuck up because everything else is just martyrdom.

I like to imagine that if presented to her she would be rendered helpless unable to control her natural desires in the face of such manliness.

#79 | Posted by Dirk

THe only natural desire should be incapable of controlling would be her laughter

"But if I choose to do so and I get mugged, beaten, and badly hurt, you agree that I bear absolutely no repsonsibility for my harm because I made the foolish choices I made."

Being foolish and being responsible are not the same things. You wouldn't be responsible what happened to you due to your own foolishness. A fool can't really be held responsible for anything. I wouldn't claim this lady didn't act foolishly when she was 13, I don't think she would even claim that but still that does not make her responsible for the criminal actions of here rapists. Her foolishness does not, in any way, reduce their responsibility for their own actions.

"But if I choose to do so and I get mugged, beaten, and badly hurt, you agree that I bear absolutely no repsonsibility for my harm because I made the foolish choices I made."

Being foolish and being responsible are not the same things. You wouldn't be responsible what happened to you due to your own foolishness. A fool can't really be held responsible for anything. I wouldn't claim this lady didn't act foolishly when she was 13, I don't think she would even claim that but still that does not make her responsible for the criminal actions of here rapists. Her foolishness does not, in any way, reduce their responsibility for their own actions.

no goatman there is no parrallel between walking through a ghetto (presumably you are refering to a high crime neighborhood) and a kid hanging out in the evening in presumably suburbia with other teenagers.

and mini skirts were the rave at that day and age

I like to imagine that if presented to her she would be rendered helpless unable to control her natural desires in the face of such manliness.
#79 | Posted by Dirk
THe only natural desire should be incapable of controlling would be her laughter
#83 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2012-01-15 11:53 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Imagine a combination of John Holmes and Yul Brunner in "The King And I"

The 1st thing that pop to my mind is a coke addled aids victim telling me not to smoke.

that is a shocking image for your "manliness"

Enough of these assaults on my male superiority!

Anywa my mom is calling me up for dinner and she is cooking my favorite.....spaghetti O's with toast! Only with the crust cut off!

Outta here for now!

Imagine a combination of John Holmes and Yul Brunner in "The King And I"

#87 | Posted by Dirk

#65 | POSTED BY IRAQIBUKKAKE AT 2012-01-15 11:08 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Really? cause it seems to me like my stance is "personal responsibility and proper self defense". My stance was also that women are not automatically lesser beings, and ready for this, the biggest part of all of this which everyone keeps dodging but me?

EVERYONE INVOLVED WAS A FUCKING CHILD AND EITHER EVERYONE IS TO BE TREATED LIKE ADULTS OR NOBODY IS.

that is the mark of a real man

#66 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2012-01-15 11:19 AM | REPLY | FLAG

You need to get past that "women are angles and I am their white knight, they need my protection" phase. It's disgustingly misogynistic.

#90 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2012-01-15 12:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Ask yourself why those shorts are hemed down to my knees.

Now I am really, really outta here!

You need to get past that "women are angles and I am their white knight, they need my protection" phase. It's disgustingly misogynistic.

#92 | Posted by soheifox

protecting a drunk woman from being assaulted in disgustingly misogynistic?

dude you are FUCKED UP

#90 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2012-01-15 12:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Ask yourself why those shorts are hemed down to my knees.

Now I am really, really outta here!

#93 | Posted by Dirk

dripping urine?

Really? cause it seems to me like my stance is "personal responsibility and proper self defense". My stance was also that women are not automatically lesser beings, and ready for this, the biggest part of all of this which everyone keeps dodging but me?

EVERYONE INVOLVED WAS A FUCKING CHILD AND EITHER EVERYONE IS TO BE TREATED LIKE ADULTS OR NOBODY IS.

#91 | Posted by soheifox

a. we dont know the age of her attackers

b. danni's position is that she was guilty of doing something foolish and the perpetrators are guilty of a violent crime, get it?

for me I see nothing unusually foolish about a 13 yr old hanging out with peers in the evening in a cemetary. seems like normal teenage behavior.

Sohe no no the rapist children are totaly responsible and the raped child has no responsibility.

To an extent I actualy agree the raped has no responsibility. She was 13 and stupid to put herself in that situation but in a perfect world that would have been safe, it isn't a perfect world and it was not safe that is not her fault.

The rapist does have a responsibility to act as if this were a perfect world and he is a gentleman. However he was young and stupid as well. No that does not excuse him from responsibility but it does mean that he was young and stupid just like her. That should be taken into account and all the people here who want to be ever so sensitive and compasionate don't seem to give a shit.

She was young and stupid so she has an excuse they were young and stupid but should have known better.

Still no one wants to address the issue of the parents of both the boys and girl. Why were these boys inclined to act like animals? Why was she allowed to go to a party in a cemetary with boys who were known to be bad?

I wonder how much money Dori made of this fictional account?

And my sub point that the lady got her revenge; we don't even know what happened, he's instantly guilty without trial, and we as a society find this acceptable. She gets to ruin this guy's life and doesn't have any responsibility for that, either. Heck, now that it's in the fuckin' New York Times, some deranged Travis Bickle sort might even go and kill the guy for her. Well, here's a hard lesson about Feminism, boys: This shit annoys most feminists because it paints women as something weak and unrealistic, a creature of whim and fancy not to be touched, rather than a real person to be engaged, loved, and relied upon.

"Defending women" is absolutely nowhere in the description of a "real man", because a "real man" reacts to situations, and doesn't just instantly decide anyone who goes after a woman is wrong. You know what one big thing "real men" don't do? They don't beat their wives. However, people intent on infantilizing women take that too damned far and say things like "real men don't hit women". Real men are not so stupid. If a woman draws a knife or a gun on me, you bet your ass she's gonna get hit; possibly even shot. If a woman hauls off and cold cocks me randomly she's gonna have force answered with force.

The fact is too many folks who fancy themselves to be "men" try to set themselves up as "different" and "special" in a world just chock FULL of evil and abusive men. It's pathetic; and worse it fits into co-dependency like a hand into a glove. Women are capable of thinking for themselves, and can make their own decisions. They're PEOPLE. They can, in fact, be wrong.

If a woman decides she wants to be a party slut, that's her right. She doesn't need you "rescuing" her, and she doesn't fucking need people like RCade casting aspersions on her sanity just because she likes raunchy sex; but hey that's how our society is, it may not be her fault she gets a rep for being insane but shit, she has to take some responsibility. She knew going into it she'd be labelled a slut, a "bad girl" by a society that STILL doesn't seem to get what "equality" means. And a woman deciding she wants to go to a graveyard and get drunk with a 2:1 female-male ratio bears some responsibility for her actions. That is if she's an adult.

But then, if 13 year old girls aren't adults, then neither are 13 year old BOYS.

Ten to one, Dori has fantasies about that guy for years, I bet she was hoping he was single so they could relive that wonderful night so many years ago and was only angry when she found out he was married.

I wonder how much money Dori made of this fictional account?

#98 | POSTED BY REXZEITGEIST AT 2012-01-15 12:36 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Hey now, to be fair, for all you know it DID happen like she told it. This still isn't the way to handle it, but she could be telling the truth.

Nope, she's a liar.

And yes, I brought Travis Bickle into view for a reason. If he was really so concerned with Iris' well-being, he needed to get the police involved. But he had himself convinced that he was the only decent man in a society full of decadence and corruption, despite the fact that he, himself, is just a lonely loser who jerks off to porn all day. The Travis Bickle character is the end result of that mindset gone too far; and they exist.

#99-a post full of strawmen

but I will point out one thing that demonstrates you have pschotic tendencies.

the example I provided was of a woman who was passed out.

to you that is a woman who is a party girl

you are a sick sick human being

But then, if 13 year old girls aren't adults, then neither are 13 year old BOYS.

#99 | Posted by soheifox

a. nowhere does it say the age of her assaulters

b. they are still rapists, they should be tried and punished as children (assuming they are 13)

see how easily I disassembled your strawman?

I hope you have no female progeny, though on the other hand if you did and they made a less than perfect decision and got raped it might be a valuable object lesson for you.

I do have a teenaged daughter. She doesnt go out to cemteries drinking. She doesnt wear provocative clothing. In short, I am RAISING her in the way she should go. I tell her how to REDUCE the chance she will be raped.

I know one thing. If her parents had been parents and not let her go, she would not have gotten raped that night. DISPUTE THAT..

I just hope this woman and her emotionally deficient husband/bf do not have any children.

Read the comments at the NewYork Times, Dorris wrote this false account for adulation and strokes.

This woman is sick and evil.

I>for me I see nothing unusually foolish about a 13 yr old hanging out with peers in the evening in a cemetary. seems like normal teenage behavior.

And THAT's what's wrong with parents and society today.

Waaaaaa, poor me ....give me money......waaaa

Shit, forgot my Italics tags above...my bad..

I do have a teenaged daughter. She doesnt go out to cemteries drinking. She doesnt wear provocative clothing. In short, I am RAISING her in the way she should go. I tell her how to REDUCE the chance she will be raped.

I know one thing. If her parents had been parents and not let her go, she would not have gotten raped that night. DISPUTE THAT..

#106 | Posted by boaz

something tells me you are lying or how can you do that when serving in Afghanistan or whatever the fuck shithole the military has sent you

I>for me I see nothing unusually foolish about a 13 yr old hanging out with peers in the evening in a cemetary. seems like normal teenage behavior.

And THAT's what's wrong with parents and society today.

#109 | Posted by boaz

kids hanging out with kids is unusual to you?

Dude you are either lying or truly fucked up

I decided that my revenge would be to blow up his marriage.

Did anyone see this golden nugget? I think that's the real problem here. So much drama. So childish.

In my opinion, coming back 40+ years and making an accusation like this like she did was cowardly. Either it happened or it didnt. Call out your other girlfriends at the time as well. Make them come forward and verify what happened. Get the other guys too. Seems wrong she can write this, accuse someone and then step back and get the "Awwwws"...You know people close to them can find out who was there that night. Hell, I remember almost everything I did as a teenager, so you know those involved know who she is talking about. So now no one can go to her and call her on this because all of those kids are now grown and moved on. What does she want? I'm not going to say she was raped, because there is no evidence of that other than her word. Now if she brings forward witnesses, then I would rethink her accusations. But for now, as far as I am concerned, this woman is just looking for attention...

kids hanging out with kids is unusual to you?

Dude you are either lying or truly fucked up

#113 | Posted by truthhurts

No, at 13 a child should be in the house when the street lights come on. But then again, that's how I was raised. No child should be out like that at night, it's only asking for trouble..and she found it..

I'm betting this isn't the first Dorri Olds cried rape.

What I am saying is that she, as a citizen of this country has the obligation to protect other potential victims by bringing this individual or groups of individuals to face a jury of their peers. If she does not have the fortitude to do that and have the courage of her convictions then shut the fuck up because everything else is just martyrdom.

Presumably, the statute of limitations has long expired on this rape.

I think this woman, like anyone else, has the right to tell the truth about her life experiences in any publication that chooses to run it. It was up to the New York Times to judge her veracity and whether she was was revealing too much about the people she described. I don't think she identified the attacker or his wife, particularly if she deleted their Facebook interactions on her wall prior to publication.

I find it sad that so many people want to blame a 13-year-old rape victim for how she was dressed and her decision to socialize with classmates she didn't know well and drink alcohol. If those boys didn't rape her, none of that would have mattered. She suffered because they chose to attack her.

You wouldn't be responsible what happened to you due to your own foolishness. A fool can't really be held responsible for anything.

Depends on your definition of a fool. If you go pet a lion, would you be a fool? In my opinion, yes, because you know the lion may kill you, but you go pet him anyway. But I feel you are still responsible for your actions to the lion.

Now if you are saying the kids are foolish for going to the cemetary at night, then are the parents responsible? I say yes, for we are there to stop our kids from doing foolish things because a child doesnt understand life. It's our jobs as parents..

I think this woman, like anyone else, has the right to tell the truth about her life experiences in any publication that chooses to run it.

Well THERE's the problem, isnt it Rodgers? How do we know it's the truth? As far as we all know, it's just a story and fairytale. Stories like this should be banned, since it's soiling the name of people and these people do not have a chance to defend themselves. This woman is a bully. Until she names her attackers and brings evidence in the form of witnesses, she should not have done this...

So all the other girls there just stood and watched?

The slightest amount of critical thinking destroys this fabrication.

So all the other girls there just stood and watched?

No, according to her, the other girls went with other boys to suck cock and fuck on someone's grave...

the other girls went off for make out sessions, if you read the article you would know that

Two other girls wandered off with their boyfriends to make out

From the article...

This woman seems like she is drama-filled..

Thirty-eight years later, I browsed through the Facebook friends of the boy who was the first to rape me, noticing names I remembered from high school. In his recent photos were snapshots of a boy with his nose and a pretty teenage girl with long silky hair parted in the middle. He gripped a beer while his belly drooped over his jeans. I found some older photos of his wedding, him with a pretty young bride.

I am sensing jealousy issues here. There's more to this...

Dorri got the brush off and it stuck in her craw. I'm betting she went down to the cemetery every night for a year wishing that night would reoccur.

None of us know what really happened, although I see no reason for anyone to take issue with the woman telling the story as she remembers it.

The only thing I know for sure is that a few posters here seem a little too emotionally invested in defending "anonymous rapist" and its fucking creepy as hell.

Dorri is a liar. Now t all the cocktail parties everyone will come up to her and tell how 'brave' she is.

'oh look, there's Dorri the rape victim, no wonder she never had children, I'm going to go tell her how wonderful she is and slip a $50 in her purse.'

I am sensing jealousy issues here. There's more to this...

Everyone relax! Columbo is on the case, ladies and gentlemen.

I dont know Sully,

It just gets my goat when someone accuses another of a heinous crime 38+ years after it happened. People are too quick to ruin lives and marriages after the fact. We have turned into a quick to look for blame society and an attention hog society. If she was raped, then name names and witnesses. Otherwise, Shut the fuck up...Some people want the attention that being a rape victim brings, but none of the scrutiny.

Everyone relax! Columbo is on the case, ladies and gentlemen.

#129 | Posted by IraqiBukkake

LOL...

The only thing I know for sure is that a few posters here seem a little too emotionally invested in defending "anonymous rapist" and its fucking creepy as hell.

#127 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2012-01-15 01:35 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Really? Well I find that people's willingness to treat women as lesser beings, incapable of deceit or being wrong, in need of constant protection and to always be held blameless as "fucking creepy as hell".

Whose to say this isn't all bullshit and nothing more than an attention grabbing publicity stunt?

It's all about quan, New York livin ain't cheap.

either everyone was a clueless fuckin' kid or nobody was.

Yup, they were all a bunch of clueless kids

But only one kid got assaulted.

A 13 yo virgin gets gangraped decades ago and finds a way to get back at the guy through social media today and you decide to get all butt-hurt about that?

Yer continual apologies and anecdotes that woman are not entirely composed of sugar and spice and all things nice make you seem a little deranged here.

Is there something you're not sharing with the class here?

Something about 1990, and time spent with your troubled friend Glenn Beck and that poor unfortunate runaway?

Just asking questions here.

/Did we just discover Tom Lykos' Retort name?

Be Well.

Leave it to Spud to simply give whatever the knee jerk liberal response is.

Spud, you may as well not even post, we can just assume that you will take the default leftist postion.

The woman is lying for attention and money, methinks she had writers block until she watched the remake of Straw Dogs, throw in some Stephan King and voila', a cemetary rape mixed with Facebook, how cutting edge is that?

-Is there something you're not sharing with the class here?

That is just what I was going to post. I find it strange as well to attack this woman, even if she is a bitch.

However some of it is just to piss others off...I highly doubt it's all real.

Numbers don't lie.....a lot of date rapes go on never reported. That means there a lot of men walking around out there knowing they raped someone and the victim never reported it.

Kind of like our countless abortion threads demanding that women have their privacy and be allowed to live a consequence free world.

What spud said comes to mind....."is there something you're not sharing with the class here?"

considering the # of abortions performed......yeah, I'm quite sure some of us here have been a party to an abortion.

What spud said comes to mind....."is there something you're not sharing with the class here?"
considering the # of abortions performed......yeah, I'm quite sure some of us here have been a party to an abortion.

#137 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2012-01-15 02:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Coming from someone who writes just like a child rapist, I'm not annoyed in the slightest by the accusation.

I am annoyed at the piece of shit double standard held, by people who think one set of 13 year olds are just kids and others aren't. Fuck anyone who thinks that's an excusable way to think. Children are children, period. End of fuckin' story. Awful things happened, but you don't get to look at some of them as adults and others as children. Either everyone is clueless and unable to consent or nobody is simply because of the genders involved.

This woman is 100% in the wrong to paint herself as a blameless victim and destroy someone else's life while pocketing a ton of money for doing it. There's no reason to automatically believe her just because she lacks a penis.

It's sexist. It's misogynistic. It's sickening.

I point, again, to the questions I asked way back in #13:

"Where do your principles end? Where does rationality go and emotion begin? How do you know the boys not victims as well? How do you know she didn't make the whole damned thing up for 15 minutes of fame? You don't know a thing about this. Did you just take that prostitute's word when she claimed a LaCrosse team raped her?"

And while we're at it, this brings up another double standard: if both parties are drunk as hell, how is the resultant sex then "rape"? The male is no more capable of consenting than the female, yet the male goes to jail? Did it ever occur to you folks that a lot of supposed "date rapes" don't get reported because the woman's adult enough to take some responsibility for her own actions? How does the presence or lack of a pair of breasts equate with the ability to give informed consent when drunk?

Why is it so hard to say the same things to a woman you'd say to a man? "Well, maybe you should have thought about this before it went south." Why is it so hard to accept that women are not inferior and stupid, but equals?

A fool can't really be held responsible for anything.

#84 | Posted by danni
pretty much explains you defense of obama all the time.

Did you all read the part about her wearing pink Haines? She knew she was getting fucked that night. Why else would a woman wear sexy underwear? She wanted to have sex. Maybe she didn't intend on 4 guys banging her but you can't honestly say she didn't plan on getting banged.

A fool can't really be held responsible for anything.

#84 | Posted by danni

Pretty much explains my attacks on Obama all the time.

#141 | POSTED BY PATRON

So glad you can see that clearly now.

Be Well.

/Yes, Fixt!

Funny how I wrote a comment and it still isnt posted on the site. I was critical of the author, but as I look over some of the comments, I noticed ALL of them are in support of her. Glad to see freedom of speech is alive and well at the NYTimes...

Did you all read the part about her wearing pink Haines? She knew she was getting fucked that night. Why else would a woman wear sexy underwear? -- #142 | Posted by jackass

Apologies, JA, you've earned a funny flag I'm not giving you. If you have ever worn white briefs that were accidentally laundered with something red, you wore something just as sexy as this 13-year-old "woman" did.

#145 | Posted by Phoenix

But you earned a FF!

Is Sohefox Nanc?

Just because you were a date raper back when you were a child of 18, doesn't mean everyone else is a Babrian too, Sohefox.

So Sohe, were you freaked out when you first saw this woman's post on your facebook page? Has that hag of a wife of yours figured it out yet?

I am annoyed at the piece of shit double standard held, by people who think one set of 13 year olds are just kids and others aren't.

The teens who raped this girl were kids. Kids who committed a terrible crime and should have been held responsible for it, whether they were tried as kids or adults.

No one said they weren't kids. But that in no way excuses them committing rape.

"Really? Well I find that people's willingness to treat women as lesser beings, incapable of deceit or being wrong, in need of constant protection and to always be held blameless as "fucking creepy as hell"."

Well you're entitled to your creepy opinion but your pro-gang rape position kind of harms your credibility on the subject of "what is creepy".

Is this another one of thoses threads thats going to stay here for 3 weeks even though nobody has added to it in days.

......... NOPE IN NOVEMBER........