~ despite the fact that most Americans are conservatives, the left exists in America precisely because of it;s parasitic nature ..
it infiltrates and controls organizations, especially labor, reigning over critical junctions of power, controlling membership, and diverting wealth for their own sustenance

"Dems in the state House ran away & vanished for three days last week in an effort to deny a quorum"

Democrat = Pussies

How many of you could just leave your job for 3 days to keep from doing some job you didn't want to do. When they return they should be put in the corner facing the wall with a dunce caps on.

Indiana Republicans move right to work toward vote

However, data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics show union membership and power waning in Indiana over the past decade. Even though total employment dropped 168,000, or 6.2 percent from 2000 through 2010, union membership dropped, 141,000, or almost 34 percent.

And despite having a closed-shop law that the current right-to-work bill is attempting to overturn, workers who do not belong to unions but are represented by them declined 149,000, or 32 percent.

As of November 2011, preliminary data, only 34,000 Indiana workers could be affected by the right-to-work law.

(Meant as a sarcastic comment, but we'll see who does and does not have a sense of humor this morning.)

3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Historically incorrect but then again history has never been your friend.

Actually, historically quite correct. Sherman was active in a number of areas in the general region and as I say, his work was not completed: too much railroad mileage left in place, not enough buildings burned to the ground. But when it came to acquiring chickens and liberating slaves, there I'll give the guy some serious credit.

Right to work for nothing laws allow employees to work for less under the false assumption that there will be more jobs. Come for Florida and see how wrong that assumption is.

American NewSpeak in action.

Taking away your right to collective bargaining for a contract is labeled with the euphemism "RIGHT TO WORK".

Right to work for nothing laws allow employees to work for less under the false assumption that there will be more jobs. Come for Florida and see how wrong that assumption is.

"...along with 7 of the top 10."

As are, apparently, 6 of the bottom 10.

So?

#9 Yeah! ND is solely because of "right to work". Not the huge amount of oil and gas drilling going on there. Nah, right to work is the ONLY reason.

Right to work for nothing laws allow employees to work for less under the false assumption that there will be more jobs.

Danni can't stand an even playing field. It has to be slanted in her favor to keep her from bitching and whining. That's why she's for censorship as long as it pushes her agenda, and laws that ensure that employers have to hire union help. The fairness of an employer having that choice is against everything she stands for.

I'm glad her backwards views on censorship and closed shop laws are in the minority.

despite the fact that most Americans are conservatives, the left exists in America precisely because of it;s parasitic nature ..
it infiltrates and controls organizations, especially labor, reigning over critical junctions of power, controlling membership, and diverting wealth for their own sustenance

How such simplistic shit as this gets passed as thought is beyond me.

The CENSUS showed that right to work states did better than states that were pro union which is why manufacturing in right to work states is growing where as in union states it's shrinking.

Chief Executive polled CEOs and they said whether or not a state was a right to work played a role in their decision on where to relocate or open up new plants which census data reaffirmed.

Texas is a right to work state and they have the best economy in the country, and they faired very well according to the CENSU.

You can ignore the CENSU at your own peril, but right to work is pro business so if you want to be competitive you better adapt or you will be the next Michigan.

It's obvious why government employees and low-skilled dropouts need unions to get paid more than they otherwise should. What's amazing is that anyone else feels that way.

#13 | Posted by jpw

How such simplistic shit as this gets passed as thought is beyond me.
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In 1994 when the Republicans took control of both houses it was the 1st time in like 40 years that they achieved that feat.
How is that possible that one party can win that many elections? Maybe it's because of its parasitic nature it infiltrates and controls organizations, especially labor, reigning over critical junctions of power, controlling membership, and diverting wealth for their own sustenance.

"Actually, historically quite correct."

Speaking of history....I'm about half-way through "Killing Lincoln" and am pleasantly surprised with the research and detail, especially the first hundred pages which cover the retreat from Petersburg to the surrender at Appomatox. It contained detail for the battle at Saylor's Creek where I participated in reenactments several times on the actual site. It was accurate in describing lack of Confederate artillery which is why our unit was switched to being Union artillery every time. I did learn some things. HOWEVER, on page 73 it refers to the "Stars and Bars" being flown and the Stars and Bars, the first Confederate national flag, had long been retired and the book was obviously referring to a battle flag with the St. Andrew's Cross :-). I never bought the book because I already have so many, it was a gift, but I'm being rather impressed. You might wanna read it.

"despite the fact that most Americans are conservatives"

I should have stopped right there.

LE, I hate to break it to you, but most Americans aren't really ideologues. They're just folks trying to get by. Most Americans, I submit, don't have time or make time to think about politics.

Jest, you read? : )

"But when it came to acquiring chickens and liberating slaves, there I'll give the guy some serious credit."

Sherman was probably the biggest racist on either side. He was known to say "we would be taking care of the freed blacks forever" (paraphrased,) and you should read the account of all the slaves drowned when he ordered the pontoons removed when he crossed the Savannah River. They followed his troops by the hundreds all the way along his route and Sherman considered them a nuisance and hindrance. He was no humanitarian fighting for freedom of the slaves.

"Jest, you read? : )"

I was fortunate enough to have attended school and being taught the three R's before the "Progressives" took over, banned "Huckleberry Finn," and started teaching "Heather Has Two Mommies." and "It Takes A Village." :-)

Why is it so much of what liberal dems support is coercive?

Right to work takes away the union's power to FORCE workers to join.

Right to work still allows unions to operate.

Hell, Alabama is a right to work state and yet 10% of its workers are unionized.

I don't know, man. You gots to read Romiette y Julio. It's da bomb. And Tupac, man--I never cared much bouts Englis till he put out dat book. I'm glad my liberal cracker teacher wuz tryin' to identify wit us from da hood.

(Okay, I should leave that shit to 101.)

Btw, Huck Finn rocks, and all the liberal English teachers I know want it taught in schools. I keep reading it gets banned. I wonder where. And I wonder why? Probably by people who never read the damned thing. I mean, Jim is the moral center of the fucking book, and Twain knew exactly what he was doing when he used that word 212 times--and it wasn't fomenting racism.

"Right to work still allows unions to operate."

RTW allows non-union workers to suck off the Union workers and contracts while not contributing a dime to the negotiation or enforcement of the contracts. And those folks are usually the first ones to call when they don't get a mileage reimbursement.

Color me stupid, but I have no idea what "right to work" means. Looking for a serious, non-partisan definition.

"Color me stupid, but I have no idea what "right to work" means. Looking for a serious, non-partisan definition."

Some states are "closed-shop" states; some "right-to-work" states. In the Union states, if someone is working under the auspices of a Union contract in a Union workplace (i.e., where the majority of workers have voted to Unionize), they have to (at a minimum) pay a fee equal to the costs of negotiating and enforcing the contract. Most as this point decide to be full dues-paying members of the Union. In return, they get a voice in their workplace, a voice in their Union, and elect representatives to negotiate and enforce any agreement.

In RTW states, workers can work in the Union workplaces without ever having to join the Union. They still get every contract protection, every bit of wages, vacation, overtime, pension, health care, and other benefits negotiated by the Union representatives, and can pick up the phone to have the Union investigate any allegations of contract violations, all without ever having to pay a dime for any of it.

#25 | Posted by dylanfan

Color me stupid, but I have no idea what "right to work" means. Looking for a serious, non-partisan definition.
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This is Wikipedia's definition:
Right-to-work" laws are statutes enforced in twenty-two U.S. states, mostly in the southern or western U.S., allowed under provisions of the federal Taft Hartley Act, which prohibit agreements between labor unions and employers that make membership, payment of union dues, or fees a condition of employment, either before or after hiring, which would require the workplace to be a closed shop.

In RTW states, workers can work in the Union workplaces without ever having to join the Union. They still get every contract protection, every bit of wages, vacation, overtime, pension, health care, and other benefits negotiated by the Union representatives, and can pick up the phone to have the Union investigate any allegations of contract violations, all without ever having to pay a dime for any of it.
#26 | Posted by Danforth

That can't be true. RTW was all about the individual being best able to negotiate one's salary and protect one's interests.

26--Firs ot bad, Dan, but

" if someone is working under the auspices of a Union contract in a Union workplace (i.e., where the majority of workers have voted to Unionize), they have to (at a minimum) pay a fee equal to the costs of negotiating and enforcing the contract."

In some states. There are some where agency fee can be negotiated but is not granted by statute.

I don't know about your second paragraph. There are open-shop states that are not right-to-work states.

"Firs ot bad, Dan, but"="First paragraph not bad, Dan, but"

#25

In addition, RTW states make employees "at-will" hires, which means they can be dismissed for almost anything.

My SIL deals with mentally handicapped adults, and one day one of the charges at the group home walked out of one of the doors (which can't be locked, by law). She wasn't the direct supervisor (one of her two assistants was), but my SIL was fired, and accused of "neglect" by the company, which if it stuck, would've ruined any chance of my SIL getting hired again in that industry. We had to go to state authorities, who did their own investigation and found the "neglect" charge to be baseless; it turned out the boss was merely trying to cover her own ass, and the judge's decision could've been written by us, bitch-slapping the boss up one side and down another. When we met with an employment lawyer to find out if the termination was unlawful, he basically shrugged it's an "at will state" (RTW) and said they can fire you for almost any reason they want.

"There are some where agency fee can be negotiated but is not granted by statute."

But according to Beck, they can go fi-core.

32--Explain? I thought you used that before to talk about agency fee requirements. In the state where I work, if the district has not agreed, through negotiations, to agency fee, then the union cannot force non-member teachers to pay said agency fee (now being called "Fair Share" in NEA circles). Btw, I think the agency fee is too high (the percentage), though I agree with it in essence. And in my district, non-member teachers do pay agency fee. But we had to fight fight fight for it.

Very interesting. Thanks for the education, guys.

LE, I hate to break it to you, but most Americans aren't really ideologues. They're just folks trying to get by. Most Americans, I submit, don't have time or make time to think about politics.

#18 | Posted by pragmatist

Wow. Now you're making up definitions. Sorry, pal, but conservative, on this site, can only mean politically. And politics is worldview; the two are inextricably linked. I think the country is mostly in or near the center. Hell, ultimately I'm pretty near the center.

Hell, ultimately I'm pretty near the center.

#36 | Posted by pragmatist at 2012-01-12 12:18 AM | Reply

If we have a circle and the radii are 2 inches from any point on the arc to the center, prag (on any radii) would be 1.9 inches from the center.