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......it is amazing how many of these pro-war people are only for it as long as someone else ...(or someone else's child)... gets to do the fighting ......
.
......I can respect a peacenik who refuses to go to war as a contientious objector, but I cannot respect a pro-war-monger who wants someone else to die for his values.......

......it is amazing how many of these pro-war people are only for it as long as someone else ...(or someone else's child)... gets to do the fighting ......
.
......I can respect a peacenik who refuses to go to war as a contientious objector, but I cannot respect a pro-war-monger who wants someone else to die for his values.......

#1 | Posted by skizziks at 2012-01-10 08:53 AM

Unfortunately, a warmongering chickenhawk will be elected or re-elected as President in '12.

This one of the things that's gonna come up in the general election.

Bicycling around France instead of going to Vietnam woulda been a nice alternative.

Bicycling around France instead of going to Vietnam woulda been a nice alternative.

#3 | Posted by TedBaxter at

I wonder why Mitt didn't elect to do his missionary year in someplace like Guatemala?

Damn, that was a stupid question. Ah, Willard. At least you've never described yourself as a hero.

It recently emerged that Mr Romney has plans to quadruple the size of his $12 million California home.
The 64-year-old filed an application in San Diego, California, to bulldoze his 3,009-square-foot oceanfront mansion in La Jolla and replace it with an 11,062-square-foot property.
A campaign official said that the GOP hopeful was planning the expansion as the home he bought three years ago 'is inadequate for their needs'.
The Romneys' official primary residence is a town house outside Boston. They also own a $10million vacation home on the shore of Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.
The couple sold the 6,400-square-foot home in Belmont, Massachusetts, where they raised their children, in 2009 for $3.5million.
In addition, their 9,500-square-foot ski lodge in Deer Valley, Utah, fetched $5.25million last year.

.....I can respect a peacenik who refuses to go to war as a contientious objector, but I cannot respect a pro-war-monger who wants someone else to die for his values......

THIS.

Protesting protesters protesting the war while taking a missionary exception himself?

Even back then he was a hypocritical flip-flopper with no clear set values.

Worst aspect of Romney is you know he's so desperate to get the gig that if worse came to worst and he actually got elected he would be the most destructive rubber stamp president for an anti-people pro-corporate agenda the nation had ever seen.

He'd be worse than Dumbya in that regard.

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Be Well.

Even back then he was a hypocritical flip-flopper with no clear set values.

Oh, he has a clear set of values.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and whatever he has to do or say to get more $$$$$$$$$$$.

Dog lovers are sure to vote for this guy, too!!!

we all know this,....we all know of his moderate views...

the thing is you see....

anyone but barry is the battlecry....we are willing to have a moderate in the white house rather than the radical leftwing statists apologist that lives there now...

Dog lovers are sure to vote for this guy, too!!!

#8 | Posted by axe at 2012-01-10 10:55 AM

If you read the article, it isn't a pro-war protest. Its a protest against people who were disrupting the school with sit ins.

I'm not a Romney fan but I could see how those sit ins would be annoying if I'm trying to get my credits, graduate and get on with my life and these idiots are shutting things down as if the day to day operation of my school has anything to do with the war in the first place.

Its is very easy to see how one could be anti-protestor AND anti-war. Much of the anti-war movement back then was idiotic. Some of the protestors went beyond being anti-war into advocating for North Vietnamese/NVA. Talking about a mass murdering animal like Ho Chi Minh as kindly "Uncle Ho" and shit like that. (Now some fossil will deny that this occured even though its been documented in full color for all to see)

When asked about the Vietnam War Gov. Romney said "I was brainwashed."

Mitt Romney's father George, who was Gov. of Michigan and the former CEO of American Motors was a decent man who gave up lost his political career for telling the truth about Vietnam.

George Romney: I Was Brainwashed
George Romney laid it all out there, "I was brainwashed," he admitted when confronted in 1967 on his change in position on the war in Vietnam. the then Michigan Governor:

...abandoned his bid for the party's presidential nomination two weeks before the 1968 New Hampshire primary. That was after a three-month campaign that was dogged by his nationally televised comment attributing his initial support for the Vietnam War to his being "brainwashed" by the U.S. military during a tour of the Southeast Asian country. He would later call U.S. participation in the war "the most tragic foreign policy mistake in the nation's history."

"Talking about a mass murdering animal like Ho Chi Minh as kindly "Uncle Ho" and shit like that."

I don't deny it happened but I do say that comparatively the harm done when compared to what our nation did in S. Vietnam it was sort of a minor thing. Robert McNamara, who was Sec. of Defense under Johnson and the man who oversaw the build-up of troops in Vietnam to 550,000 has said publicly that those in charge during those days, including himself, were guilty of crimes against humanity.

Romney-Mormon missionary exempted him from the draft, the Daily Mail reports.

Now this religious control freak want the power to sent other to war! An tell women they don't have the right to choose.

Nope....Were voting for Obama!

I would have to kill myself if I had to be held to the political views I held as a teen or even in my 20's but regardless the Romney of today is still a Vanilla Barry all hype

The more I hear about this guy Romney, the less I like.

And there wasn't that much "like" there on my part to begin with.

He apparently is a phoney through and through.

can't you guys cut the magicunderwearguy some slack? In his years in France, the commies never did take over, did they? And is he any worse than 5 deferment Dick Cheney, or bow my eardrum out Dubya?

They are Republicans, for God's sake. First to war, last to serve.

"Romney-Mormon missionary exempted him from the draft, the Daily Mail reports."

So, how can he even serve as CinC????
Could he even take the oath of office, swearing to protect and defend the constitution?
How can he advocate for bombing Iran???

My DAd was a Navy pilot, I remember one of his best friends, also a Navy pilot was a Mormon.

Romney has 5 military age sons-I wonder how many of them decided to protect America from the Caliphate?

Oh-none.

"Romney has 5 military age sons-I wonder how many of them decided to protect America from the Caliphate?"

Mitt dealt with that, those young men are serving America by working in his campaign.

Youve got to love a non-vet bagging on somebody else for being a non-vet.
It's as if the hypocrisy escapes them...

anyone but barry is the battlecry....

Sorry, afkabagger. You're beloved Party's love affair with the teabaggers has all but anointed Obama to another term. Your "anyone" has become "no one electable".

He also wanked 5 times a day at age 19 BFD. 18 years before that, he was in favor of shitting his pants. Can't the left dig something up a little more important than this crap?

"Can't the left dig something up a little more important than this crap?"

So now Ron Paul is "the left."

Ron Paul is from outer space - - which is right up there with the left's assholery.

So Texas is outer space. Who knew?

So Texas is outer space. Who knew?

So Texas is outer space. Who knew?
#29 | Posted by danni

~cue up cukoo clock

Phester:
When Kennedy tried to tie Romney's policies to those of Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, Romney responded, "Look, I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to take us back to Reagan-Bush."[

So Texas is outer space. Who knew?

Anybody who ever heard dubya or RiKKK Perry speak. and think about afkabagger.

Some folks are born made to wave the flag
Ooh, they're red, white and blue
And when the band plays "Hail to the chief"
Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no

Yeah!
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh
But when the taxman comes to the door
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no millionaire's son, no
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no

Some folks inherit star spangled eyes
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! yoh

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no military son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, one

Oh yeah, he also took a couple of student deferments. I guess he figured, better red than dead.

Pro-You fighting and dying....

.....I wonder if Mitt's church status meant his income was tax exempt..??...

Can't the left dig something up a little more important than this crap?
#25 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

......what could be more important than asking American families to sacrifice their children for a war too unimportant for you to participate in ??......

So, how can he even serve as CinC????
Could he even take the oath of office, swearing to protect and defend the constitution?
How can he advocate for bombing Iran???

#19 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-10 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can go with that, Danni.

The Commander in Chief must have military experience.

So, let's go down the chain of command to see how far it takes us .....

1. The Messiah?

2. Biden?

3. John Boehner? DING! DING! DING! Boehner served in the Navy!

We have a winner!

So, according to Danni the most qualified person in office right now to be POTUS is John Boehner.

He also wanked 5 times a day at age 19 BFD. 18 years before that, he was in favor of shitting his pants. Can't the left dig something up a little more important than this crap?

#25 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Actually, this is the Right digging this stuff up. I mean, you are paying attention to the fact there is a PRIMARY going on, right?

#38 | Posted by vernon at 2012-01-10 03:45 PM

It's almost 4 a.m. on the Outer Rim, Verm, let the bar boy go home.

I saw the headline and thought for a moment that Romney had once been a beer drinker.
Whew! He'd have been done for!

"The Commander in Chief must have military experience."

That is not what I was saying, I was saying that if you get a deferrment for being a missionary then you probably are a conscientios objector and thus how could you be CinC? We've had lots of presidents who never served but they weren't conscientious objectors, and honestly I don't know if Mitt is either but if he was.....

The Commander in Chief must have military experience.

Like Dubya? Or Reagan? Or Nixon? They turned out to be surrender monkey failures as C-in-C, didn't they? Certainly not deferment Dick Cheney.

Or you could go with Clinton-never served but 2-0 in wars. Against real militaries, not guys on camels.

He also wanked 5 times a day at age 19 BFD.

#25 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

So you never went hungry?

So republicans are into the magic underwearer man...

Bet you can't wait to hear what the invisible man tells him next...

Your ready ain't you....

#22:
Romney deals with cheerleader terrorists:

That is not what I was saying, I was saying that if you get a deferrment for being a missionary then you probably are a conscientios objector and thus how could you be CinC?#42 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-10 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Deferment for being a missionary is not the same as conciencious objector status. The exemption for missionary/ministerial work was 4-D and the conciencious objector status was 1-O for Vietnam (might still be the same today).

And Zed, Mormon missionaries don't get to choose or elect where they go.

Wow, should have guessed as much.

He dramatically resembles his father. Good-looking (great smile), masculine, articulate.. sociopaths, opportunists, "flippity the check to me, I bend to all members of society comprised of Corporate 'stewardship'." Actually, I have no idea what George Romney was like as a role model or Federal employee. I'll assume Mitt is akin to George as George 43 is to George 41, only somewhat more "believable".

As a "protestor" is he the courageous social mascot, the self-interested parasite, or just another privileged Bush-hole? True to his "robot" inclinations I don't believe he has any actual stance on any issue (for instance, I'll bet he's for gay marriage and abortion - if it's in the interest of exploiting mechanisms to get him elected.

I'm guessing that instead of appearing deceitful he actually wants to display a rainbow of acceptable views. Mitt wants to be loved.. just enough to make the black box vote rigging seem plausible. We'll see.

"Deferment for being a missionary is not the same as conciencious objector status. The exemption for missionary/ministerial work was 4-D and the conciencious objector status was 1-O for Vietnam (might still be the same today)."

Thank you Bartimus. You cleared that up for me. Now I still not vote for Romeny if I ever get the chance but if he is elected he can take the oath of office.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-10 06:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL, I didn't think that'd be the straw that pushed you into the Romney camp!

In and of itself, this is a non-issue.

As Shakespeare said in Much Ado About Nothing, "...doth not the appetite alter? A man loves the meat in his youth that he cannot endure in his age."

Okay...upon further reflection, this quote is much more applicable to Marcus Bachmann than to Mitt Romney.

#38 | POSTED BY VERNON
"The Commander in Chief must have military experience."

Wrong.

Read up.

#22:
Romney deals with cheerleader terrorists:
www.newscorpse.com
#46 | Posted by northguy3 at 2012-01-10 05:32 PM

Clever read.

And what of Romney's family? He has five sons who were of age to serve in the military during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, but here is how he described their contribution to freedom's cost during his 2008 campaign:

Romney: It's remarkable how we can show our support for our nation, and one of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping to get me elected, because they think I'd be a great president. My son, Josh, bought the family Winnebago and has visited 99 counties, most of them with his three kids and his wife. And I respect that and respect all of those in the way they serve this great country.

Pretty sad that anyone would bother focusing on something that happened 45 fucking years ago. If you don't like Mitt Romney for President, today, tell me why. Make your case. Who gives a shit what he said when he was 19 years old?

All FIVE got deferred?

No. Thank Kolodar, the GOP eliminated the draft, so heroes like the Romneys could protect America from a crazy religious sect by handing it over to another crazy religious sect.

Who gives a shit what he said when he was 19 years old?

#54 | Posted by JOE

Anybody who's kid might end up on an Iranian IED because a deferment hero says he wants to invade another country.

If you don't like Mitt Romney for President, today, tell me why.

Which Mitt Romney, Joe? There are so many versions of him.

Lemmie guess, the motels along I-68 are a "mission".

Well, the truck stops are. I wonder if a crack whore working the parking lot could ever make it into the magic 144,000?

Pretty sad that anyone would bother focusing on something that happened 45 fucking years ago. If you don't like Mitt Romney for President, today, tell me why. Make your case. Who gives a shit what he said when he was 19 years old?
#54 | Posted by JOE at 2012-01-10 06:20 PM

Well,the character of the young version can be seen to be even less of an idealist than the "adult" model. I know, I know, RTFM.

In the meantime don't pay attention to the Socialist-in-Chief behind the curtain who is destroying the country. Just pay attention to stupid stories like this.

Anybody who's kid might end up on an Iranian IED because a deferment hero says he wants to invade another country.

Romney is clearly a warmonger today. Again, that has nothing to do with what he did or said half a century ago.

And Obama in college smoked pot and snorted coke.

And the drug user with questionable academic intellect sits in the WH. WOW!

#61 | Posted by patriotwoman23
"And Obama in college smoked pot and snorted coke."

I waited until after college to do either one.

#62 | Posted by patriotwoman23
"And the drug user with questionable academic intellect sits in the WH. WOW!"

Cupcake, we're talking about Romney here, not W.
And not Obama, although you thought you were being oh-so-clever. Fail.

And the drug user with questionable academic intellect sits in the WH. WOW!

#62 | Posted by patriotwoman23

It's only questionable intellect to those of questionable intellect. In regards to drug use well, you fellows lost the moral high ground on that topic when you insisted upon electing the Lessor Bush, twice.

Odumbo never had any military experience, business experience or executive experience and never claimed to hold a real job in the private sector. He smoked crack and claims to have gone to Harvard but nobody knew him there. He claims to have been born in Hawaii and thinks that is part of Asia. He grew up in Indonesia and went to school there in a Muslim Madrassah.

claims to have gone to Harvard but nobody knew him there.
#65 | Posted by fwthom

.......none of the Harvard grads at your trailer park ever ran into Obama ??.......shocking !!......

Yeah, and this guy would have never been caught dead wearing a U.S military uniform during that time.

While this worthless Mother-Fucker was out cavorting across France on his "Mission to convert the Gentile heathens", hundreds of Americans were dying every week in South-East Asia!!!!!!

Yep. This is where you Republicans have arrived at; this is your guy.... Mr Willard Romney.

MEET THE HUMAN EMBODIMENT of MR 1%. hbr />

Yep. This is where you Republicans have arrived at; this is your guy.... Mr Willard Romney.

You forgot to add, "45th President of the United States of America."
Get it right next time.

Odumbo never had any military experience, business experience or executive experience and never claimed to hold a real job in the private sector. He smoked crack and claims to have gone to Harvard but nobody knew him there. He claims to have been born in Hawaii and thinks that is part of Asia. He grew up in Indonesia and went to school there in a Muslim Madrassah.

He did sit in crazy uncle Wright's church for 20 years though. Apparently never listening to a sermon. Which is Enough for the libtards to grant him Presidential qualification status.

"And Obama in college smoked pot and snorted coke."

Like Dubya did? Did he go AWOL? Did he become an alcoholic?

I'll bet everyone here defending Romney's actions are the same people who belittled Kerry's service for coming back and speaking against the war. I'm a Republican, but you can't defend this,or believe much of anything he says.For that matter except for Hunstman we have no contender .

Kentucky Fried Chicken Hawk

Did anyone read this? I saw nothing about a draft. I may have missed it, but I see him with a sign that says "Speak Out, Don't Sit In" which, to me, says "don't engage in petty tricks and state your case instead." I agree with it: don't engage in drama for drama's sake and stick to the issues.

The photograph was taken on May 20, 1966, shortly after a group of students had taken over the office of Stanford University President Wallace Sterling.
They were protesting at the introduction of a test designed to help the authorities decide who was eligible for the draft.
Mr Romney was one of approximately 150 conservative students who counter-picketed the sit-in.

Sorry kanrei, he was opposing those opposing the draft.

Sorry kanrei, he was opposing those opposing the draft.

#74 | Posted by truthhurts at 2012-01-11 01:39 PM

Read the signs, they were protesting the methods, not the cause. They were protesting the taking over of the office of Stanford University President Wallace Sterling.

Read the signs.

"Speak Out, Don't Sit In"
"Support President Sterling"
"No Anarchy"

Ain't that tough to see. Let me guess, all people who oppose OBama are racist too.

Read the signs, they were protesting the methods, not the cause. They were protesting the taking over of the office of Stanford University President Wallace Sterling.

Read the signs.

"Speak Out, Don't Sit In"
"Support President Sterling"
"No Anarchy"

Ain't that tough to see. Let me guess, all people who oppose OBama are racist too.

#75 | Posted by kanrei

gee what a flamboyant excess you demonstrate.

wonder how the protesters perceived the conservatives position?

Seems that when people were dying something as small as a sit in pales in comparison.

gee what a flamboyant excess you demonstrate.

wonder how the protesters perceived the conservatives position?

Seems that when people were dying something as small as a sit in pales in comparison.

Posted by truthhurts at 2012-01-11 01:57 PM

Yeah, context really destroys your false rhetoric. Why not just say "Romney likes firing people" since you have audio of that. Why bother with context or facts? Hope and change, right?

you act as if it were a huge leap from someone protesting protesters of a draft to perceiving that person supports the draft.

friend of my enemy is my enemy

you act as if it were a huge leap from someone protesting protesters of a draft to perceiving that person supports the draft.

Not at all. I simply read the story, looked at the photo, saw the context and read the signs. Not one pro-draft sign. Romney's sign clearly encourages the protestors to state their case and not do stupid pointless acts of dramatic terrorism.

Mitt's sign: Speak Out, Don't Sit In.

Notice those two first words? Does that sound like someone against the overal objective of the people who took over the building?

Kanrei, stop trying to spin it. It is just what it appears.Leave the spin to Hannity or rush slob, your attempt fails.

Kanrei, stop trying to spin it

I'm not the one spinning it.

It is just what it appears.

I agree 100%. Just read the signs they are holding. Funny thing about protestors is you don't have to guess what their cause is as they tend to put it on signs for all to read.

Read the signs, they were protesting the methods, not the cause. They were protesting the taking over of the office of Stanford University President Wallace Sterling.

Read the signs.

"Speak Out, Don't Sit In"
"Support President Sterling"
"No Anarchy"

Ain't that tough to see. Let me guess, all people who oppose OBama are racist too.

kanrei, stop trying to spin it. It is just as it appears. Leave the spin to Hannity or rush slob you attempts fail. Buy the way not listen to Rush in years but sure his spin will include Clinton.

Let me guess, all people who oppose OBama are racist too.

Not all people. Just the white ones.

Taken at the height of the swinging Sixties, Mr Romney holds a sign declaring 'Speak Out, Don't Sit In' as, alongside like-minded individuals, he proclaims his support for Lyndon Johnson's ever-expanding draft.

But, in a marked contrast to the relaxed dress sense associated with that decade's youth movement, he is wearing smart white slacks, a white buttoned-up shirt and a dark blazer.

It recently emerged that Mr Romney has plans to quadruple the size of his $12 million California home.

The 64-year-old filed an application in San Diego, California, to bulldoze his 3,009-square-foot oceanfront mansion in La Jolla and replace it with an 11,062-square-foot property.

A campaign official said that the GOP hopeful was planning the expansion as the home he bought three years ago 'is inadequate for their needs'.

The Romneys' official primary residence is a town house outside Boston. They also own a $10million vacation home on the shore of Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.

The couple sold the 6,400-square-foot home in Belmont, Massachusetts, where they raised their children, in 2009 for $3.5million.

In addition, their 9,500-square-foot ski lodge in Deer Valley, Utah, fetched $5.25million last year.

He's just trying to keep up with AL Gore.

Okay comrades,but when the shit hits the fan you can proudly say because of my stupidity I was part of it.

Amazing! You could actually get a draft deferment because you prefer bicycling in a popular tourist destination with pleasant weather and annoying the locals with fantastic stories about magic underwear and Jesus vacationing in the United States (his favorite country even then!)? I wish I knew this back in 1970. Fortunately I didn't need to, drawing number 364 in the draft lottery. I haven't played the lottery since, figuring I already used up all my luck.