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Tuesday, January 10, 2012

Iran has sentenced Iranian-American and former Marine Amir Nema Hekmati to death, claiming he used a family trip to Iran as a cover for espionage. Hekmati's mother. Behnaz, said a "grave error" has been committed. "We pray that Iran will show compassion and not murder our son, Amir, a natural born American citizen, who was visiting Iran and his relatives for the first time," she said.

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I feel bad for this guy but at the same time, if you are an American you should stay the hell out of Iran.

I feel bad for this guy but at the same time, if you are an American you should stay the hell out of Iran.

#1 | Posted by Sully

Would seem to be the intelligent thing to do.....

I feel bad for this guy but at the same time, if you are an American you should stay the hell out of Iran.

#1 | Posted by Sully

Half his family lives in Iran.

Just like my son who happens to be a Marine.

"Half his family lives in Iran.

Just like my son who happens to be a Marine."

Well a decision was made on his behalf years ago for him to born in the US. If he disagrees with that decision, he should have defected to Iran. What he can't do is retain his American citizens AND expect to be treated fairly by the Iranian government. Putting himself in a situation to be used by them was a mistake regardless of his family situation. He hadn't seen those people all his life and he had to go now when both governments seem intent on starting a war? Foolish.

"We pray that Iran will show compassion and not murder our son, Amir, a natural born American citizen, who was visiting Iran and his relatives for the first time," she said.

(sarcasm)But we are told by muslim apologists on this site all the time how Islam is a religion of peace and they love everyone and everybody. Surely they cant kill this guy.(/sarcasm)

What he can't do is retain his American citizens AND expect to be treated fairly by the Iranian government. Putting himself in a situation to be used by them was a mistake regardless of his family situation.
#4 | Posted by Sully

Hmmm...

My wife was born in Iran and became a US citizen. She still holds her Iranian passport as if she never left the country mostly because the two governments don't communicate with one another.

She was born there. Her family is there.

My son, on the other hand will never go to Iran again since he's a Marine. Mostly because the Iranian Government is stupid like that. If they can put a plane full of people in harms way and ultimately killed in a horrible way to fight an un-willable battle, they can do anything.

Is this guy stupid for visiting his family in Iran? No. No one could have foreseen this, but every Iranian citizen who travels abroad, especially to the US, expects it to happen to them. I've known many Iranians being detained by the Iranian Government upon leaving the country from anywhere between 3 hours to 72 hours. It's not unusual.

#5 | Posted by boaz

The next thing they will do is ask for some kind of payment, say $5,000,000 thinking that the US Government will pay it. Then settle for $1,000,000 from the family and friends.

But the damage is done. You don't instantly piss off (probably) 1 million Marines (167,000 active duty and 800K+ former) just because you want to f&ck with Obama.

We don't know most of the facts yet so far as I can tell, but being a former Marine -- putting aside the question of whether or not he served in Afghanistan (is that clear at this point?) -- apparently working as a contractor in Qatar for something Marine-related (according to his father), I'd say the choice of making a trip to Iran to visit gramps was a not particularly good decision. Obviously that's so in light of what's transpired; but even had he not been tried and condemned, not the cleverest move one might make.

Perhaps it's a case of youth and the sense that you're invulnerable or at least that whatever's coming down the track doesn't have your name written on it. A few more years -- if he's granted them -- and I'd wager Hekmati would look at things differently.

"You don't instantly piss off (probably) 1 million Marines (167,000 active duty and 800K+ former) just because you want to f&ck with Obama."

What are they gonna do? Invade Iran?

Shades of Sonny Barger!

Most likely a spy.

Most likely a dead man walking unless the government pays something under the table to bring him back.

Most likely the Iranians will hold onto him for a good bit here as an insurance policy.

Be Well.

(sarcasm)But we are told by muslim apologists on this site all the time how Islam is a religion of peace and they love everyone and everybody. Surely they cant kill this guy.(/sarcasm)
#5 | Posted by boaz

Bozo stupidly ignores America's legacy of continuous war since WWII.

And while all this is going on... We have Obama's Military plan described as:

"Mr. Obama and Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said abandoning the 2010 quadrennial review is necessitated by the deficit crisis and is allowed by the fact that the Iraq War is over and the Afghanistan War is winding down.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard P. 'Buck' McKeon of California and other Republican hawks say predicting that land wars will not erupt is too risky.

"The last 10 years of war have taught us this lesson," said Mr. McKeon. "After every major conflict in the last century, the United States has cut its military, only to have to painstakingly rebuild it the next time our security is threatened. Sadly, this strategy repeats the mistakes of the past.... History has taught us this is a perilous course, expensive in both lives and treasure."

Obama's war plan pins hopes on peace
www.washingtontimes.com

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard P. 'Buck' McKeon of California and other Republican hawks say predicting that land wars will not erupt is too risky.

Professional whores for the MIC said THAT?

Shocked, Spud is shocked.

Be Well.

Most likely a spy.
#10 | Posted by dethspud

Why do you instantly take Iran's Government's word for it?

There are a 1,000,000+ Iranians in this country alone that would disagree with you.

#13 | Posted by dethspud at 2012-01-09 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah... there is no danger of serious conflict in their near future. It's strange... people are always on the DR saying that the democrats live in "reality" and here were have a president "hoping" for peace (and acting on that hope for peace in terms of his military strategy) in the midst of global unease both in terms of military and finance.

Just so you know, military and financial instability tend to lead to war.

"Is this guy stupid for visiting his family in Iran? No. No one could have foreseen this,"

Why not? If anyone tells me they are going to Iran I would ask if they're sure they are coming back.

Maybe its not as stupid a risk as I originally said. He may know a dozen people who go twice a year without incident for all I know.

But its a risk and on some level he had to be aware of that. It just bums me out to see people used as pawns by these worms.


But its a risk and on some level he had to be aware of that. It just bums me out to see people used as pawns by these worms.

#16 | Posted by Sully

You're right. There's always a risk when going to that country and I'm glad you see that it's more the fault of that government.

My wife is going in March (for Noa Rooz) and she's bringing our 14 year-old daughter who as been three times before. But this time has to wear the scarf.

Am I afriad? Yes! Will I blame the Iranian Government for not keeping them safe? Ab-so-freken-lootly!!

It's time to stop all this crap.

"Am I afriad? Yes! Will I blame the Iranian Government for not keeping them safe? Ab-so-freken-lootly!!"

Right, it's the job of the Iranian government to make a special point of watching out for your wife and 14-year-old daughter. Thank goodness you don't have a any responsibility in the matter.


"Am I afriad? Yes! Will I blame the Iranian Government for not keeping them safe? Ab-so-freken-lootly!!"

Right, it's the job of the Iranian government to make a special point of watching out for your wife and 14-year-old daughter. Thank goodness you don't have a any responsibility in the matter.

#18 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Wow! Doc, you've hit a new low. I didn't think it possible, but the compassion of the Left is just showing itself, isn't it?

Nothing to do with compassion, Eddie. Simple common sense -- of which you appear to be utterly bereft -- and taking responsibility for one's own decisions, rather than laying the responsibility for the protection of your wife and child on a government that's shown itself to be irresponsible, dangerous, inclined to hostage taking, and murderous.

rather than laying the responsibility for the protection of your wife and child on a government that's shown itself to be irresponsible, dangerous, inclined to hostage taking, and murderous.

#20 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Hmmmmm...

Even after I've said on this thread that Iranians go back and forth to Iran all the time, you don't get it?

Could you tell your wife that she was not allowed to travel to her home to see her parents?

Again! Millions of Iranians travel in and out of that country every year. I expect that government to keep all of them safe and not use them as political hostages.

"Even after I've said on this thread that Iranians go back and forth to Iran all the time, you don't get it?"

What I get is that anyone who does that is taking a chance, depending on circumstances that are probably well out of their control and about which they may in fact know next to nothing or nothing at all.

"Could you tell your wife that she was not allowed to travel to her home to see her parents?"

My wife came from a dicey political/terrorist/violence situation and I never told her she couldn't go. But I also never exhibited anything like your lack of balls by putting the onus for her safety on the government of the nation to which she was traveling when she and I knew full well the dangers involved.

Hell, Eddie, I even went, repeatedly, and I sure as hell wasn't going to hold either my government or the government of the nation I visited responsible - and that wasn't even a snakes' den like Iran, where one faction of the government might want to use your family members as pawns in some Long Game horseshit against another faction.

But do it your way, Eddie: put the onus on the Iranian government, because I'm sure the basij and others will be crapping their burnooses at the thought of making the mistake of pissing you off.

"I feel bad for this guy but at the same time, if you are an American you should stay the hell out of Iran."

Good advice, make it excellent advice for ex-military Americans of Iranian descent. My hopes and prayers are with this young man and his family, I sincerely hope those bastards in Iran don't kill him. The Iranian government seems to be trying to destroy even the slight support they have been getting from those of us who do not want a war. Why?

Factions within factions within factions...some of the players very smart -- do business with Iranians sometime and see who's got how many fingers when the deal's done -- others ignoramuses. Not a healthy mix for tourists who creep up on their radar.

I make it a firm policy not to visit countries where people are liable to be found guilty in a courtroom for "Corruption on Earth" and "Opposing God's Messengers on Earth." Just too weird, complex, and counterproductive an environment for we normals.

#22 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

As I said before, a new low for Doc.

Of course I expect that government to keep them safe, in other words, leave them alone.

But Doc, I don't think you understand. The Iranian Government (not the people) have every opportunity to stop their bullshit and join the rest of the world. All they need to do is decide to do it.

Yes! I and the millions ex-patriot Iranians around the world expect the Iranian Government to keep them and all the other travelers safe. I'm not alone.

I make it a firm policy not to visit countries where people are liable to be found guilty in a courtroom for "Corruption on Earth" and "Opposing God's Messengers on Earth." Just too weird, complex, and counterproductive an environment for we normals.

#24 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Seriously, I don't blame you. 95% of Iranians agree with you!!!

They would like that to change.

I don't doubt they would, Eddie. They really landed in the shit when the clerics jettisoned the non-clerics and hijacked the revolution.

I wish you wife and daughter well on their journey and safe home.


I wish you wife and daughter well on their journey and safe home.

#28 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

All bs aside, you are kind, thank you.

Take care.

Sarvis was highly trained in espionage and spoke several languages and dialects including ebonics and pig Latin. He was trained to kill with a kitchen fork or even his two inch long fingernails. A master of disguise, Sarvis once showed up at a costume party as a fool and no one knew the difference. His doctorate in Queer Studies made him invaluable. The mission was to drop Sarvis and several other highly trained Marines behind enemy lines, but DOC SARVIS sahowed up at sick call with the sniffles just before the mission started. After that DOC SARVIS was forever known as, "The Spy Who Came Down With A Cold".

re: #29-#30

Get a room.

Get a life.

"The Spy Who Came Down With A Cold". Part II
It's 3 am and Doc's phone rings. It's his boss Obama calling him out of retirement,his mission stop the flow of drugs into the U.S. Doc knows this will require someone with brains, and knowledge of illegals .
The call is made to Danni who will do anything to help Obama.Her plan was masterful, Doc was to dress as a Mexican whore , Danni shaved her head and had it tattooed with graffiti to be the pimp.
Danni's weapon of choice was the powerful substance El Diablo,disguised in a Listerene bottle. Once in TJ Doc was to service men under the tables , and try to get them to give up names.
After his first job the brainiac Danni handed him the bottle of Listerne to rinse.Doc was severely burned and in his rage threw the rest on Danni's face.Another failed mission ,at least Obama,s health care will help them in 2014.

"(sarcasm)But we are told by muslim apologists on this site all the time how Islam is a religion of peace and they love everyone and everybody. Surely they cant kill this guy.(/sarcasm)
#5 | Posted by boaz"

Because you know that if we caught an Iranian spy in this country, we would probably do the Christian thing and turn the other cheek.

Boaz, you are a moron. But you already knew that.

Just reading all this...

This guy may be completely innocent, an emissary or even a spy.

However, Point blank - if you are an AMERICAN traveling to Iran or even an Iranian turned American traveling to Iran it is just dumb at this point in time. In particular if you are a man and/or tied to the military. I am sure many do it every year. So what? It is just spectacularly dumb. I don't care if every member of your family is there, unless you have a death wish it is not worth it. You are dealing with cornered rabid dogs running the country.

There are some spectacularly high political tensions right now. The Iranian government doesn't give a damn about defectors and Americans unless they are as pawns and by going there you make yourself a pawn. It is just a matter of if they put you in play or not. They may simply make you stay if you are Iranian and not allow you to leave. Iran is being isolated and ostracized by most of the world at the moment. They are desperate. They don't want to lose face at home and they want to be a bigger power than they are or should be allowed to be. The country is run by radicals who don't have common decency and willfully abuse their power. In other words these are dangerous blowhard cowards who will use anyone and everyone they can if it serves their purposes. Just stay away from any where NEAR Iran.

"Because you know that if we caught an Iranian spy in this country, we would probably do the Christian thing and turn the other cheek."

You do realize there is a difference between a real spy and this guy, who is being murdered for being an American, right?

#31 | Posted by fwthom

LOL. This is the first time I've ever wondered if FWad was Sarvis' alter ego.

'My wife came from a dicey political/terrorist/violence situation and I never told her she couldn't go.

Hell, Eddie, I even went, repeatedly, and I sure as hell wasn't going to hold either my government or the government of the nation I visited responsible.

I make it a firm policy not to visit countries where people are liable to be found guilty in a courtroom for' BS charges.

#24 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

did you not just contradict yourself there?

So if eddie's wife and kid are taken hostage by the iranian gov, he shouldn't blame the iranian gov?

"You do realize there is a difference between a real spy and this guy, who is being murdered for being an American, right?
#37 | Posted by Sully"

Yes. And you do realize that the U.S. would not admit that this guy was actually over there spying, right?

#4 | Posted by Sully at 2012-01-09 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have no clue as to what the hell your talking about and yet you insist on proving that post after post.

Eddie is just about the only one here who has added anything of value to this thread.

My Brother goes to Iran each year, sometimes with my dad some times alone.
He is American born with a Iranian father. He who attended grade school in Tehran where he lived with my dad and my dads American wife for ten years during the Shaw's time. My brother speaks 5 languages all taught to him before he entered the 6th grade.

My guess is Iran has sentenced this guy to death. Then as a p.r. move they will release him (for some cash) as an example of Iranian compassion.

When they do release him i'm sure Glasshouse will still be ranting about the religion of peace.

First time visiting Iran? What a stupid time to choose for that vacation...

Long story short...go hiking on the Iran/Iraq border, or go do some journalism in North Korea if you're looking for a nice safe vacation...

"But we are told by muslim apologists on this site all the time how Islam is a religion of peace and they love everyone and everybody."

no you aren't..

keep lying.

As far as actual CIA policies go the last person they would recruit as a NOC, (no official cover), would be a marine with family in a target country. It is much easier to get current members of the government to take a bribe, sometimes not knowing they are working for the US. We have established a large net of intelligence assets in third countries where most of the folks are more worried about the intentions of Iran than us. There are many Iranian business men who travel to Saudi Arabia and other gulf states as well as a multitude of pilgrims who travel to Iraq and Mecca. Why risk blood when money will buy the information you want or need? Iran is not a monolithic population by any means. Many in the country hate the Mullahs and the indescribable corruption inherent in any Islamic culture.

I wonder if people attitudes towards getting this Marine back home would be any different if his name were 'Tripp Palin' or 'Michael Smith'.

So many seem to have this 'oh well' attitude and I wonder how much has to do with the name. This is a US Born citizen and a US Marine.

Our Govt should promise to level 10 city blocks for any Marine executed while in their custody.

#46 | Posted by COMMONSENSE
good policy,but ain't gonna happen sadly.It's always back room deals. And that's why they pull this shit.

Just so you know, military and financial instability tend to lead to war.

#15 | POSTED BY AT 2012-01-09 04:48 PM | REPLY | FLAG:CLOWN SAYING THE OBVIOUS

Just so you know financial disparity always lead to communism... but it doesn't keep you from going to church and praying for the success of republiclowns whose policies created it... and the rightwingnut apologists that visit this site claiming to live in "the real world" that do the happy dance about it while vilifying the poor.

Just so you know financial disparity always lead to communism... but it doesn't keep you from going to church and praying for the success of republiclowns whose policies created it... and the rightwingnut apologists that visit this site claiming to live in "the real world" that do the happy dance about it while vilifying the poor.

#48 | Posted by RightisTrite

LOL!!! And this is not "clownish"?

Records show Hekmati served in the Marines from 2001 to 2005, trained in Arabic at the Army's language school in Monterey, California, was deployed to Iraq from April to November 2004, where he reportedly worked in intelligence, and later, in 2010, worked for BAE Systems Inc, US subsidiary of BAE Systems PLC, a UK-based military contractor that on its website describes itself as a "global defense and security company." The BAE site says the company delivers a "full range of products and services for air, land and naval forces, as well as advanced electronics, security, information technology solutions and support services."

BAE is heavily involved in the military intelligence field.

His father, a community college professor in Flint, Michigan, told AP that before going to Iran to visit a grandmother who lives there, his son had been working in Qatar for a company "that serves the Marines."

The US maintains a huge military base and airfield in Qatar, which, of course, is ground zero for US military planning for any future attack on, or conflict with Iran. The US Central Command (CENTCOM), which would be the command center in any war with Iran, is also located in Qatar. More to the point, perhaps, Qatar is also where the US Special Operations Command Central (SOCCENT) is located, which oversees the secret operations of US Army Rangers, Green Berets, Delta Force, Marine Corps, US Navy SEALS and pilots of the US Air Force. Various journals have quoted US government sources as confirming that the US is engaged in secret operations against Iran, including sabotage and spying, and the US has also been sending spy drones over the country, one of which was recently captured by Iranian forces.

Certainly there is good reason to believe that the Iranian legal system, like the US legal system, is corrupt and unfair, particularly when it comes to cases involving national security. I'm not saying Hekmati is a spy, based on either his conviction by an Iranian court or on his videotaped "confession." I am saying that the denials by the US are every bit as unreliable, even to the point of being laughable, as are any claims being made by Iran.

The sad reality is that the US government has become such a cesspool of lying and disinformation, of torture and forced confessions, and of corrupted courts and prosecutors, that it no longer has the capacity or the image of integrity to convince other nations or the people of the world of the innocence of those American citizens who get caught up in international spying charges.

Meanwhile he has to hope that a cynical group of neo-cons and neo-libs in Washington aren't merrily plotting to use his execution as an excuse to do what they've been angling at for years: attack Iran.

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