To serve and protect, right?

Their own ass maybe.

Fuck the police!

"Seattle Police Sue Over FOIL Requests"

What does this case have to do with binomials?

Funny, if it wasn't so nerdy Hagbard.

"Funny, because it's so nerdy Hagbard.

FTFY

What does this case have to do with binomials?

#3 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

I'll bet that joke slayed 'em at the math convention.

Please stop monomializing the conversation.

Other than withholding video while an investigation is ongoing, is there any other reason to keep it from the public? I can't think of a good one. Video/audio is there to record exactly what is going on and if that proves good/bad for the cops or good/bad for the suspects, the truth should win out. Otherwise a police state is what we get.

Otherwise a police state is what we get.

#8 | Posted by AKat

hmmm It's perfectly ok to use those videos against private citizens...not ok to use them against the police. Got it.

Police State Accomplished!

The unions are moving this.

SUCKERS

The unions are moving this.

SUCKERS

#10 | Posted by glasshouse

Please post a link showing that a union is evolved in any way what so ever in the events of this article, Crackhouse

#8 | POSTED BY AKAT AT 2012-01-06 02:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Probably for the same reason the public has no right to demand security footage from a McDonald's. Without a subpoena, you shouldn't HAVE access to random videos of someone doing their job. Just because someone is paid with tax dollars does not mean footage of them doing their job is available to the public because "maybe" someone's not doing their job right. This is a very tricky balance between privacy and public good, but I'd err on the side of caution and require specific subpoena for specific footage. After all, if this lawyer can't find a judge to agree with his need for that footage, then just maybe he's going on a witch hunt.

That said I'm not sure what the fuck the countersuit is for. But then none of the news stories actually say (I'd like to see a link if anyone has one). The Seattle PD have enough problems without suing a guy who makes a request they can simply reasonably refuse, and then work that out in court properly.

If you voted for Republicans or Democrats in the last 40 years, you actively supported the current police state.

This is a very tricky balance between privacy and public good, but I'd err on the side of caution and require specific subpoena for specific footage.

I'm sorry but when you're a public employee on duty your privacy should be limited (ie no video of taking a shit).

But dash cam should be freely accessible. Period.

But dash cam should be freely accessible. Period.

#15 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2012-01-07 05:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

No. It shouldn't. Just because someone is paid with tax dollars does not make them any less of a citizen of the United States than someone who works for McD's. Policemen, firemen, garbagemen, park workers, forest rangers, and mailmen are not some form of lesser being that you own simply because you pay taxes.

The Seattle Police Department's lawsuit would qualify as a SLAPP suit in California and be thrown out. Then the Seattle Police Department and individual police department personnel who made the decision to sue would be open to a suit for malicious prosecution and the individuals (but not the Police Department itself) would be open to punitive damages. I would not be surprised if there were a similar SLAPP suit law in the State of Washington.

Furthermore, those people they pull over? Yeah, THEY, also, are not any less citizens of the United States either simply because they're pulled over by the cops. They have rights to privacy as well.

"Just because someone is paid with tax dollars does not make them any less of a citizen of the United States than someone who works for McD's."

Horseshit. Comparing police on the job with someone that works at McDonald's is moronic.

Yeah, THEY, also, are not any less citizens of the United States either simply because they're pulled over by the cops. They have rights to privacy as well.

Never even occurred to me, but excellent point sohei. You could have every scorned lover or angry coworker scouring the videos to blackmail you.

No. It shouldn't. Just because someone is paid with tax dollars does not make them any less of a citizen of the United States than someone who works for McD's. Policemen, firemen, garbagemen, park workers, forest rangers, and mailmen are not some form of lesser being that you own simply because you pay taxes.

And when they are off the job they can have all of the privacy they want. When they are on the job they are employees of the people that they serve. As employees of the public their on the job records belong to the public, unless there is some compelling reason to keep a record hidden like an ongoing undercover investigation.

Policemen, firemen, garbagemen, park workers, forest rangers, and mailmen are not some form of lesser being that you own simply because you pay taxes.

I'm not saying they're less of a person, just a public servant and as such their actions should be freely scrutinized by the public.

I'm not in any way saying their personal lives should be infringed upon.

Furthermore, those people they pull over? Yeah, THEY, also, are not any less citizens of the United States either simply because they're pulled over by the cops. They have rights to privacy as well.

This is the much better argument.

"Horseshit. Comparing police on the job with someone that works at McDonald's is moronic.
#19 | Posted by nullifidian"

Yeah, but Sohefag is moronic. Oh. Oops. Nevermind.

I'm not saying they're less of a person, just a public servant and as such their actions on the job should be freely scrutinized by the public.

Missed that very important part.

Question sohe, do you think businesses shouldn't be allowed to monitor or limit their employees internet usage?

No, Soheifox makes an excellent point with the privacy of the people being pulled over. Screw the rights of the cops, but they're not the only ones in the videos.

How would you like your boss seeing a video of you being given sobriety tests (guilty or not) on youtube?

How would you like your boss seeing a video of you being given sobriety tests (guilty or not) on youtube?

I don't think anyone's suggesting the videos should be posted on youtube.

Fuck the police!

#2 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-06 12:25 PM | Reply |

If they released these videos and they showed Danni in one of her drunken stews, I'm sure she wouldn't sue.

Here are the rwers protecting the identity of potential innocents and the lefties want to stick it to them. The left are truely evil people.

#26, what does "freely accessible" mean then? The police website instead of youtube?

Here are the rwers protecting the identity of potential innocents and the lefties want to stick it to them. The left are truely evil people.

#28 | Posted by matsop

I bet you love these fuckers...

I bet you love these fuckers...

www.bartoncounty.org

#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2012-01-07 06:59 PM | Reply |

Some of Nullandvoid's persistent sponsors.

Fuck the police!
#2 | Posted by danni

Fuck the police!
#2 | Posted by danni

it's come to this? ..
~ seems like only yesterday danni was slobbering solidarity with her union brethren

#32 | Posted by L_E_Light at 2012-01-07 07:05 PM | Reply |

Confusion----one of the signs of a schizoaffective personality.

The unions are moving this.
SUCKERS
#10 | Posted by glasshouse
Please post a link showing that a union is evolved in any way what so ever in the events of this article, Crackhouse
#11 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

I hate Glasshouse but actually this is a move pushed by the Police Union. He's right. But it's not because it's a union but because cops protect their own.

I hate Glasshouse

#34 | Posted by Sycophant at 2012-01-07 07:17 PM | Reply

Where's that renown lefty love and tolerance?

The left are truely evil people.

You're such a dumb sack of shit, manslop.

what does "freely accessible" mean then? The police website instead of youtube?

Access by lawyers/watchdog groups without FOI requests or counter lawsuits.

Why do people insist on taking things to the absurd, hyperbolic extreme?

The left are truely evil people.

You're such a dumb sack of shit, manslop.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2012-01-07 07:30 PM | Reply |

I understand, Jabberwocky, truth is a difficult thing to accept. However, you have time. Maturity comes with experience and aging---at least those with an open mind not controlled by drugs,propaganda and evil.

at least those with an open mind not controlled by drugs,propaganda and evil.

#38 | Posted by matsop

LOL. You're about as thoroughly indoctrinated in rightwing ideology as they get. You ought to read "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer sometime. And put down the Ayn Rand. That shit will rot your brain.

truth is a difficult thing to accept.

Indeed. If only you were peddling truth.

However, you have time. Maturity comes with experience and aging---at least those with an open mind not controlled by drugs,propaganda and evil.

It's hilarious when a shallow, narcissistic, stereotype-ridden self-righteous idiot is condescending about truth.

Sorry old man, you prove with every post that age doesn't always equal wisdom.

-But it's not because it's a union but because cops protect their own.

I have been seeing more and more examples of union protecting their own and saying "screw everybody else".

the police couldn't get away with this if it weren't for the union.

not starting on some anti-union rant....just sayin..

"The left are truely (sic) evil people."

#28 | Posted by matsop at 2012-01-07 06:53 PM

Oops:

Hey Hans, what's the new thing with posting irrelevant cherry picks and saying "oops"? Are you so fucking retarded you think just as many cannot be found about your guys?

"Are you so fucking retarded you think just as many cannot be found about your guys?"

Fire away.

But my retort was directed at "The left are truely (sic) evil people."

Reading comprehension is a truly wonderful thing.

#16 Just because someone is paid with tax dollars does not make them any less of a citizen of the United States than someone who works for McD's.

+++++++++++++++

It's not about citizenship, it's about who pays wages. If you work for GE, I have no right to subpoena your wages.

If you work for the City of Seattle the public has much more of a right to know what you earn and what you do.

No. It shouldn't. Just because someone is paid with tax dollars does not make them any less of a citizen of the United States than someone who works for McD's. Policemen, firemen, garbagemen, park workers, forest rangers, and mailmen are not some form of lesser being that you own simply because you pay taxes.

#16 | Posted by soheifox

Go on a diet so you look better in the videos then. You're on candid camera now.

Get over yourself. Like I was in the military, you're expendable.

3 Hag,
Quadratic equations hold the answers to many of life's mysteries.

JM

"it's come to this? ..
~ seems like only yesterday danni was slobbering solidarity with her union brethren
#32 | Posted by L_E_Light"

"Confusion----one of the signs of a schizoaffective personality.
#33 | Posted by matsop"

Be nice to L_E_Light. She is bi-polar, and she is trying as hard as she can.