Obama is circumventing the stop-gap put in place by Reid and Pelosi to keep Johnny Walker Bush from making recess appointments during his final year in office.

Good thing or bad thing? Or maybe just hypocritical?

This is actually a good thing which can be used in 2013 against Senate Stupid Ass Harry Reid. As soon as Mitt Romney is President he can declare that Senate DIMOCRATs are in recess every Saturday and Sunday and do whatever he wants just like Obama,,,

They all do it, and it is wrong.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
article II section 2

If the republicans don't like the appointments they can have a vote scheduled. It is only an issue to people who think this President shouldn't have the powers of other Presidents, powers which are clearly granted in the Constitution.

Sorry for the repost - this has already been added to the user blogs.

#2, hell, why even wait for weekends? Just do it at 10 pm when they all go to sleep. With this new Obama precedent, "recess" is meaningless.

Do people really not realize that the power you give one president extends to all future ones?

As soon as Mitt Romney is President he can declare that Senate DIMOCRATs are in recess every Saturday and Sunday and do whatever he wants just like Obama
-flunked 6th grade civics

#4 | POSTED BY BLUSKY

Then how were Pelosi and Reid successful in stopping Johnny Walker Bush from making any recess appointments during his final year as President? Obama is circumventing the stop gap put in place by his own party.

I believe what you're saying is true, but with that said, how did Pelosi/Reid keep Johnny Walker from making recess appointments?

If you idiots have a problem with this tell your representatives to do their job and either accept or deny.

You fucking losers just kill me with acceptance of this political do nothing government. Shit or get off the pot.

Are you asking me to explain why the Bush team was politically inept, or why they were incapable of a plain reading of the US Constitution?

You fucking losers just kill me with acceptance of this political do nothing government. Shit or get off the pot.

#9 | Posted by moneywar at 2012-01-04 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Hope and change" and going against his own administrations word.

Have to love Obama.

They all do it, and it is wrong.

#3 | Posted by glasshouse at 2012-01-04 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:thinks the US Constitution is wrong

#10 | POSTED BY BLUSKY

I am asking how was Johnny Walker Bush successful in appointing John Bolton during a recess, but unable to make a recess appointment in 2008? Either the Democrats were terribly inept in blocking an unconstitutional recess appointment, as you have asserted, or Johnny Walker Bush administration was terribly inept by bowing down to Pelosi/Reid? Could it be both?

I am not antagonizing, merely asking.

Why don't you post a link, Express? Oh, that's right - YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID.

Why don't you post a link, Express? Oh, that's right - YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID.

#14 | Posted by LetUsPrey at 2012-01-04 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Talk about stupid. It is already posted in the other thread, which preceded this thread, regarding the same topic.

It is already posted in the other thread, which preceded this thread, regarding the same topic.
#15 | POSTED BY EXPSREDEMPTION

Yea, that was my fault. I looked through the user blogs for the related thread, but didn't see it.

My mistake.

Recess appointments have been happening for a long time.

Nothing new to see here.

#18 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

The reason I brought this issue up is because I would like to know how Obama circumvented the stop gap put in place by Pelosi and Reid to keep Johnny Walker Bush from making recess appointments in his final year in office.

Obama circumvented a stop gap put in place by his own party. Can you explain how that might of happened? I can't figure it out.

"They all do it, and it is wrong."

No it isn't, a president needs a way to make appointments even when the Senate will not approve anyone, how else is he supposed to be able to run the government. All the Senate has to do is its job but since some there are determined to obstruct everything this president tries to do he is serving the public by using recess appointments as the Constitution allows him to do.

I am not antagonizing, merely asking.

Fair enough.
They couldn't get a concurrent resolution of adjournment. Some Senators were scheduling pro forma sessions which reset the clock on when the recess began.

No it isn't, a president needs a way to make appointments even when the Senate will not approve anyone, how else is he supposed to be able to run the government. All the Senate has to do is its job but since some there are determined to obstruct everything this president tries to do he is serving the public by using recess appointments as the Constitution allows him to do.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-04 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni... Obama went against his own parties rule, couldn't wait 3 days, and went against his own administrations policy on these kind of events.

Can't you see that?

#21 | POSTED BY BLUSKY

And you're referring to Pelosi and Reid's blocking of Bush's recess appointments? Or Bolton's appointment?

"Danni... Obama went against his own parties rule, couldn't wait 3 days, and went against his own administrations policy on these kind of events."

He went against the opinion of one person, he did what he needed to do to actually have someone in position to run the Consumer Protection Agency and now the GOP crazies are just mad because he beat them at their own stupid game.

#22 | POSTED BY EXPSREDEMPTION

Which is the exact reason I brought the issue up here on the DR. Obama circumventing his own party has got to make for some good conversation here.

It was not intended to poke Obama for unconstitutional behavior.

Who could forget Bolton's appointment? And that was perfectly legal.

The reason I brought this issue up is because I would like to know how Obama circumvented the stop gap put in place by Pelosi and Reid to keep Johnny Walker Bush from making recess appointments in his final year in office.

The answer is right in front of you. The stop gap put in place by Pelosi and Reid was aimed specifically at Bush. Now that Obama is in the WH they don't give a shit.

"And you're referring to Pelosi and Reid's blocking of Bush's recess appointments? Or Bolton's appointment?"

Pelosi never blocked anyone's appointment, it's only the Senate that has "advise and consent" powers and as I recall Bush appointed Bolton with a recess appointment.
The Republicans are playing partisan games while Obama is trying to run a government...then later they'll whine because he isn't getting enough accomplished.

he stop gap put in place by Pelosi and Reid was aimed specifically at Bush. Now that Obama is in the WH they don't give a shit.
#26 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Great point. Now with Republicans in congressional power (relatively), what keeps them from imposing the same stop gap on Obama (that is if this appointment is so outrageous as they currently claim it to be)?

Danni, I'm book marking this thread and will be happy to quote you, to yourself, when President Romney is appointing Goldman Sachs directors to regulatory boards over the weekend while the Democrats object.

For once in your life, look at the big picture and the precedent this sets.

The 2008 "recess".

Had Bush possessed any political capital in 2008 he could have won the argument with the public the way Obama will win the argument this time around. But we were done with Bush by 2008 and he knew it. He couldn't have pressured Congress into having a cup of coffee, much less a recess long enough for him to stack the Federal Bench.

#29, you could bookmark any Danni thread and throw it in her face 4 years later. It doesn't matter. She will either claim it's different, or just disappear.

The Republicans are playing partisan games while Obama is trying to run a government.

Riiiiiight!

Only Republicans play partisan games. Obama and the Dems are WAY above anything like that.

BLUSKY -

I understand what you were referring to now. I found this which cleared much of it up:

So, without the consent of both chambers of Congress, the House and Senate have continued to meet at three day intervals for all of 2011. When legislative business finally wrapped in Washington for the year a few days ago, neither the House nor Senate offered what's called an 'adjournment resolution.' That would have allowed both chambers to abandon town for a longer period of time. Such an adjournment resolution would have made it easy for President Obama to make a recess appointment if he desired. But without both houses of Congress making an adjournment pact, there was no virtually no opportunity for the president to make a recess appointment.

Except potentially between the first and second sessions of the 112th Congress.

There's significant debate about whether this narrow window between the first and second sessions is the only chance a president could have to circumvent the traditional confirmation process and make a recess appointment.

So the Senate is on track to move between the first and second sessions of the 112th Congress. Just seven times in its history has Congress had an intersession of less than a day in its history. In January, 1996, Congress hermetically air-locked the end of the first session the 104th Congress up against the second session by a matter of seconds. The Senate convened for the final meeting of the first session of the 104th Congress at 11:55 am on January 3, 1996. The second session was scheduled to start at noon. Once the Senate finished its bookkeeping for that brief meeting, it adjourned for all of 15 seconds. It then launched the second session of the 104th Congress.

what keeps them from imposing the same stop gap on Obama

Their own laziness. You think a Republican Congressman is going 'work' one second longer than required? No. They want to cripple Obama, but they want their 5 months of vacation time, too. They simply wont go through the trouble of the pro forma meetings and Obama knows it. Plus, they'd lose the vote if the nominees were ever allowed their up/down. So the R's would be giving up vacation time for something that is going to happen anyway.

Wonder if they play "kick the can" at recess too.

Obama went against his own parties rule

Is wasn't a rule it was a trick and it is only a useful trick against a lame duck whose clock is ticking.
Stop lying to make your 'point'. You've got n o t h i n g.

now the GOP crazies are just mad because he beat them at their own stupid game.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-04 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Interesting... It is a "stupid game" that you whined and complained about as being wrong, abusive, unconstitutional, crazy, etc. when Bush was in office.

Now once "Hope and Change is in office, you cheer when more of the same Bush actions are taken.

Do you have any integrity?

#36 | Posted by BluSky at 2012-01-04 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27 | POSTED BY DANNI

You are right. It was Reid who actually blocked the recess appointments, but Pelosi definitely offered support for doing so:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who previously held pro forma sessions to block recess appointments by President George W. Bush, said Wednesday he supported President Obama's decision to ignore those sessions to push through one of his key nominees.

Stop lying to make your 'point'. You've got n o t h i n g.
#36 | POSTED BY BLUSKY

No lies here. See #39. What does Johnny Walker being a lame duck have to do with Reid supporting Obama's decision to ignore the sessions?

now the GOP crazies are just mad because he beat them at their own stupid game.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2012-01-04 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

He beat them at their stupid game? Wow. This post is getting filed away for later use.

When I told all of you worthless rightwing fucks that signing statements, recess appointments, rendition, GITMO and all the rest would not end just because of a Democrat being elected POTUS your reaction was either silence or "awww you're being overly dramatic". That includes ExpressRetardation, Afkabibblebabbledribbles, Vermin, Joe, Wisgoo....well, hell any of you. Now to come along and whine about it just shows that your only single solitary concern is about "that kneegrow in the WH".

I'm not in favor of using recess appointments but for you to pretend that this is some big shock to any of you just makes you total fucking idiots.

The John Bolton appointment is totally different and not associated with the late 2008 block you're crying hypocrisy on in any way.

One of two things is happening here:
Either you are being your typical dishonest self by attempting to link the two arguments...
or you're too fucking stupid to know why what you just did is nonsensical leaving you unequipped to even be in this conversation.

Away with you, pickpocket.

Is it not hypocritical for Reid to conduct such behavior

No, because Bush was attempting to appoint people at the end of his tern who would not have passed the up/down vote.
Obama is attempting to to appoint people that will pass the up/down.

But besides all that, you can't be this surprised to find people playing politics in Washington can you, Capt. Renault?

Wisgod, danni is not accountable for what she writes, it's whatever she is told by the huff post for that day.

Want proof???

Danni repeatedly said the US was downgraded because of reThuglicans and Tea Party malfeasance. Just monday she said

We should still be and thus S & P looks ridiculous. The debt ceiling crisis motivated them to make foolish decisions considering we are still the world's reserve currency, it backfired on them. Considering that S & P rated so many financial transactions as good and safe pre-2008 they really were in no position to be judging the credit worthiness of the United States.

#67 | Posted by danni

Get it? Whatever she says at the moment is merely for that second. Danni the definition of a hypocritical holier then thou high horse disingenuous debater not worthy of consideration

These names have only been submitted for 3 weeks. Not even time to discuss. Yet Obama is playing to his far left base, and is trying to act like he's running against Congress, which includes Reid and his own party!! Vause he can't run on HCR or green jobs or the stimulus can he?

Some executive in chief!!!!

or you're too fucking stupid to know why what you just did is nonsensical leaving you unequipped to even be in this conversation.
Away with you, pickpocket.
#43 | Posted by BluSky

You're either an asshole or a waste of time if you don't explain yourself. You come on here and criticize someone trying to understand this shit and then say "away with you pick pocket"? Why do you bother? The conversation is taking place all over the net. And yet EVERYONE but you seems to be in fully "equipped to even be in this conversation".

Yes...yes....You must be an asshole.

BTW...you label me dishonest without pointing to dishonesty? Man you really are an asshole.

The lefties who applaud Obama's hypocritical lawbreaking are like looters during a natural disater or people who would sucker punch someone during a riot.

They get all puffed up because Obama is taking a massive shit on the constitution and his own lying words.

You must be proud of this bag of shit, next time you hear this worthless fuck Obama talk about how republicans don't 'work' with him, remeber this.

Not one more peice of legislation should go through the house or the senate while this douche is in power.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2007-04-16 01:32 AM

#49 | Posted by Hans at 2012-01-04 10:15 PM

I guess jak should be 28 times more flattered from your obsession with him bringing up a 56 month old post. LOL

I didn't know you cared so much about me as to remember my "history," even from "...a couple of months ago".

I suppose I should be flattered.

;0)

Posted by Hans at 2012-01-04 08:59 PM |

Not one more peice of legislation should go through the house or the senate while this douche is in power. - Mitch McConnell, early 2009

Which is why we have many of the problems we still have. When Reagan was elected, Dems thought that sucked, but they did't gridlock or shut down the government.

But more importantly, 5 TDs by WV? Is this going to be the highest scoring Bowl season ever?

Yes...yes....You must be an asshole.

Flattery will get you nowhere.
I was responding to exp, he's a charlatan pickpocket. About four posts popped up between his quotes on Bolton and mine. I should have initialized him to be more clear. I think all the times I was responding to you I quoted you.

Anywho, if you take offense anyway...I don't give a shit.

"OOPS"

At this point we need to assume Goatman is a diagnosed masochist and you guys are feeding a serious mental condition.

Not one more peice of legislation should go through the house or the senate while this douche is in power.

#48 | Posted by RexZeitgeist

I imagine he already figured that out.

You think this is wrong? Obama is "skirting the law"? Breaking the law? I have an idea...

take him to Court!

wouldn't that just be awesome?

It would sure make my day.

But, that's what you get from a well-known liar (sourced and contextual proof here and here).

And THAT is what you get frm a well known hypocrite who is so obsessed with an offshore oil rig worker he dedicates his comeback post after several months of absence to him. LOL

OOPS

Live in the now.

Hans
Posted by Hans at 2008-03-18 11:07 AM

Live in the now.

Hans
Posted by Hans at 2008-02-20 09:00 PM

Live in the now.

Hans
Posted by Hans at 2008-02-20 08:44 PM

Live in the now.

Hans
Posted by Hans at 2008-02-05 07:28 PM

Live in the now:
...
Hans
Posted by Hans at 2008-02-05 06:34 PM

Live in the now:
...
Hans
Posted by Hans at 2008-02-02 10:47 PM

Han's FIRST post after an absence of many, many months:

"Goatman, it doesn't get better..."

Every now and then God (or G-d as kanrei would say) reveals Himself (especially for a liar: here and here.)

#28 | Posted by Hans at 2011-11-20 08:47 PM

Poor, obsessed hans.

"...his comeback post after several months of absence to him."

And...

"Han's FIRST post after an absence of many, many months:"

Now it is your turn, obsessed little boy.

Poor, obsessed goatman.

Pathetic obsession test. Score one point for each affirmative answer:

Have you ever:

-- Taken a leave from a blog and made your very first post back after being gone for many months about one particular person?

-- Alleged wrongdoing about a person who changed his mind on an issue, even though you yourself have changed your own mind in your own life many times?

-- Taken posts from a person out of context and alleged lies about that person based on them?

-- Put up the exact link about a person dozens or hundreds of times over a period of several years, (Yes, you read right: SEVERAL YEARS) even though it is so old and trite people stopped clicking on it years ago?

-- Gratuitiously and obsessively brought a person into threads they were not involved in even though they have nothing to do with the topic?

Score:

1: slightly obsessed
2: moderately obsessed
3: severely obsessed
4: mordibly and pathologically obsessed
5: your name is hans

Again, so much for the "good point" on the "sage advice"!

Read that sage advice again. It pertained to arguments. I wasn't arguing. I was was simply quantifying your affinity to dole out flattery using your own metric. This obsession you have has really fucked up your reading comprehension, hans. I mean, you are so compelled to say something, anything, to me that you either completely misunderstand written passages, or deliberately distort them so that they say what you wish they did. Either way, it's the sign of an unhealthy mind, hans.

Serious question, though -- Surely your wife is more deserving of your attention and obsessions than an offshore oil rig ET? After years of indulging yourself in your obsession wiht me, don't you feel it's time to move on to someone closer to home? Maybe someone who will actually be kind to you instead of continually shitting on you as I do you? Or is negative attention more your thing? Maybe I just don't understand exactly what it is you want out of life and what makes you happy. LOL

"Pathetic obsession test."

"Pathetic obsession test."

Now it is your turn, obsessed little boy.

this President shouldn't have the powers of other Presidents, powers which are clearly granted in the Constitution.

#4 | Posted by BluSky
That's not part of the Constitution the Righties follow all the time. It's optional to them.

-- Taken a leave from a blog and made your very first post back after being gone for many months about one particular person?

No, but I can think of someone who left the DR when his wife died.

For about 20 minutes.

-- Taken posts from a person out of context and alleged lies about that person based on them?

No, but I can think of a guy who kept changing the story about his foundling offspring, then alleged people lied about what he said in earlier posts.
###
At this point we need to assume Goatman is a diagnosed masochist and you guys are feeding a serious mental condition.

goatsy's dying of COPD and he hasn't gotten past Kubler-Ross' "anger" state.

This is an example of the type of government that small government conservatives would like to eliminate.

Hans et al:
"Apparently, some unrequited lovers take forever to say 'Adios.'"

Careful y'all, it seems Goaty has been living on Broke-rig Mountain a bit too long.

ARCHIVE senate from 2007 on "W" appointee to one or any number of judges etc....and threats of filabusters,....

lets see now...who was running the senate then,,,,,, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mmmmm

#20 Danni: All the Senate has to do is its job but since some there are determined to obstruct everything this president tries to do he is serving the public by using recess appointments as the Constitution allows him to do.

Translation: Obama is so wonderful we can't let normal things like the Constitution get in his way.

Don't believe Danni thinks that? Here's what she said in another post (formatting mine):

"...there was no time for worrying about Constitutional niceties, he needed to be a strong leader and prevent the layoffs of millions. Only by unrealistically minimizing the crisis he inherited can you justify your criticisms of his actions at the time. IMHO probably he should have declared a national state of emergency and gained the power as CinC to do what was necessary to avoid catastrophe but had he done that the right would likely have created a violent uprising."

Danni: All the Senate has to do is its job but since some there are determined to obstruct everything this president tries to do he is serving the public by using recess appointments as the Constitution allows him to do.

as I said...just look back to 2007 and you will see 'obstruction' better or 'worse' than anyone else....shitfire...the goddamn dems even blocked HISPANICS back then and got away with it...where GOP would be crucified...

BUT DANNI I AGREE with you...come on senate DO YOUR JOB...you can start with debating MULTIPLE BILLS THAT HAVE PASSED THE HOUSE And are sitting on harry's desk..
AND HOW ABOUT A BUDGET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I fucking have to laugh at these righties here, they are angry and mad because obama didn't allow the republicans to continue stopping the function of government.

Here the righties bitch and bitch about waste but are now angry cause they can't continue to keep that waste going, sounds like we have some very sound citizens here.