Hmmmm GE gets wage considerations and Barry and Immelt are buddies.
GM (Government Motors) major stock holder UAW / AFL-CIO gets wage considerations. Me thinks that Marx was right on this one.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Mass unemployment has been utilized by corporations to enforce the attack on the working class as a whole. A handful of job openings regularly lead to thousands of applicants. When 90 jobs opened up at the GE Louisville plant in October 2009, 10,000 unemployed workers applied. (See, “Ten thousand unemployed apply for 90 jobs in Louisville, Kentucky”).

Welcome to the Obama economy.

Unions are happy as long as they can fill their pockets with money from middle class workers. Will a union ever become a non-profit organization since their claim is to just help the working man?

"Will a union ever become a non-profit organization"

Unions are non-profit corporations.

This hurts but Danforth is right. At least all of them that I looked up.

"This hurts but Danforth is right. At least all of them that I looked up."

Aww, isn't that cute? Lokisfur was so convinced I was wrong he did some research.

Unions are non-profit corporations.
#5 | Posted by Danforth

tho NON PROFITs / UNIONS are forbidden from distributing DIVIDENDS, they can and have used EXCESS REVENUE for exorbitant salaries .. luscious benefits .. Country clubs .. homes .. travel .. slush funds .. bribes .. hitmen, etc

what is your motive for purposely being deceptive?

"they can and have used EXCESS REVENUE for exorbitant salaries .. luscious benefits .. Country clubs .. homes .. travel .. slush funds .. bribes .. hitmen, etc "

If there have been any illegal activities, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

"what is your motive for purposely being deceptive?"

Good God, you're a stupid fucking moron.

"FOR PROFIT Corps define profit as basically excess revenue classified as dividends / retained earnings "

No it doesn't, you raging dumbfuck.

Why are Unions non-profit corporations? Because they can be.

"Why are Unions non-profit corporations? Because they can be."

No, it's because they have to be. You don't get how they work, do you? They're basically self-contained units run by a a board of volunteers who hire a staff. Any excess revenues from one year go back into the running of the Union, and are usually offset by a corresponding year of loss, as organizations will keep about a year's worth of expenditures, just in case of strike. Any more, and we look for ways to either increase services or cut dues (and yes, it happens: I authored a dues decrease for my local years ago). You'd have to be a clueless idiot to think they were profit centers.

No, it's because they have to be. You don't get how they work, do you? #12 | Posted by Danforth

No I understand. After they screw the employer, they screw the employee and the increase the cost of doing business for everyone.

"After they screw the employer, they screw the employee and the increase the cost of doing business for everyone."

Don't want a Union? Treat the employees well. Unions are the workers' choice of last resort.

"No I understand."

Clearly, you don't, if you think they're profit centers or if you think they're non-profits "because they can be". They're non-profits because they must be. HUGE difference.

(unions) They're basically self-contained units run by a a board of volunteers who hire a staff.
#12 | Posted by Danforth

Just an observation.....the retorts from union minions haven't addressed anything in the article.

Just saying

"lol .. got a link?"

Yeah, the three Unions I've served.

"~ are the greenskeepers & caddies volunteers?"

You must've missed the part where the Union hires staff.

"the retorts from union minions haven't addressed anything in the article. Just saying"

Busy debunking ignorance from folks who vote like you. Just saying.

Regarding the article, I'm against two-tiered contracts, and always have been. That said, in what businesses do novices expect to make what seasoned experts make?

#18

So, you think voting for obama was stupid? Well, maybe.....I don't know really. The other choices were shitty.

But stumping for him like a 16 year old cheerleader who got fingerbanged by the quarterback..............well, THAT is stupid. A lot of obama gravy slurpers, such as yourself, should be ashamed.

But that takes pride first......fresh out, aren't you?

You must've missed the part where the Union hires staff.
#17 | Posted by Danforth

~ hey Dan, is the UAW Country Club a part of UAW's $1.4 BILLION in assets or is that separate?

hmmm .. UAW states all Officers & board are paid .. Teamsters too .. SEIU too ..
~ perhaps someone didn't get the memo ..
~ or perhaps someone is being deceptive ..

"obama gravy slurpers, such as yourself,"

I'm sorry you can't tell the difference between saying the Republicans are idiots, and supporting Obama. I've disagreed with plenty. And you've admitted none of the Rs candidates are worthwhile.

I'm sorry you can't tell the difference between saying the Republicans are idiots, and supporting Obama

oh, there is a difference.

I assume that is your point. NOT that you don't worship the ground he walks on.

right.

sure..

The UAW owns their own country club? really?

#23 | Posted by eberly

Yes purchased with the pension funds from GM workers. Who Obama bailed out to make up the pension short fall at GM so I guess "you" own a country club. Good luck getting a tee time.

"I do apologize .. was it before or after the part about the $6-Million Country Club, Lodge & Restaurant?"

UAW Floating 'Phantom Employees' and Avoiding Property Taxes At Luxury Golf Course?

As the UAW cried that it needed a bailout from Congress, its ownership of this luxury resort was revealed to the chagrin of union employees everywhere. Millions of dollars of union member's dues money have been pumped into this project over the years, but now there are questions being raised as to just where large portions of this funding is disappearing to.

Good luck getting a tee time.
#24 | Posted by paneocon

~ make sure you scrub your balls before going .. :)

-You must've missed the part where the Union hires staff.

non-union, of course.

"just where large portions of this funding is disappearing to."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

This author believes real estate is usually assessed for tax purposes at full market value. Some big find.

Pan, do you read your links before you post them? Or --maybe worse-- did you read this piece of garbage and actually believe it?

UAW Floating 'Phantom Employees' and Avoiding Property Taxes At Luxury Golf Course?

not to worry Mr Neocon, according to Danforth .. they were likely phantom volunteers, unpaid interns, or simply typographical errors

To focus on reimbursment in unions is silly. I really don't understand why people that have problems with unions focus on the things that don't need to be focused on.

Things that should be focused on are the corruption and some of the dumbass rules they put in that let employees abuse the system. When i worked in Vegas we had a porter who was a union rep. When he didn't feel like working he'd have his buddy call up and announce a union rep meeting in the middle of dinner. These assholes would then go sit in their little conference room and play cards all night while everyone else had to pick up the slack for this dick head.

When I would try to help pick up the slack (I was a dish washer) I'd have some asswipe come tell me to stop helping because I'd end up costing someone their job. How you say? Well... if the dishwashers can help then the managment can say, "See... we don't need that position! I can have this dishwasher do it!"

Total fucking lunacy... they were happy to let the whole goddamn restaurant CRASH because some d-bag wanted to go take a 5 hour break during a "meeting".

THAT is the shit that makes unions something that needs to be quashed. Not because some guy that's in charge of a few hundred thousand workers has to spend his whole work week dealing with issues so they decide to pay him and give him health care.

"non-union, of course."

Nice try, Uncle Fester!

Our staff is Unionized, and whatever the highest rate we negotiate for H&R is what we pay into theirs. They get health care upon full-time employment, not a month or 6 months later. We also match 401(k)s to 4%. Of course, we believe we should set an example of how workers should be treated.

Many non-profits have real estate holdings. Like I said... bring up the shit that matters as related to unions.

I do find it amusing though that the union guy in the article said that to get jobs BACK to America they had to take lower saleries. LOL... funny how that's so different from the attitude before. Oh... now that we've fucked so many of our members out of jobs because we were so sure that massive saleries and cadilac health insurance was our right ... well now we're changing our tune. hrm....

-did you read this piece of garbage and actually believe it?

too funny. can't refute any fact in the article, and avoids the thread article completely, yet it's all "garbage" and lies.

#32

BFD, we do WAY better for our employees with no threat of union labor. are they the same union as you or a different union?

-Many non-profits have real estate holdings.

that was my first thought as well. a good investment with funds is a prudent decision.

But Danforth believes it's "extravagant"

Well the golf course probably is extravegant. It could be a liability to the union down the road, too. If for whatever reason attendance drops off the "profitability" of the course could go down and actually start costing the union more than it's taking in to maintain. Then what? It can be a bitch to sell them off.

But whatever... I wasn't involved in the decision making process and have no real basis to say anything bad about it. So long as it's not dragging them down having it... there's no reason to give a shit.

"THAT is the shit that makes unions something that needs to be quashed."

I agree, and I admit, I'm spoiled: the Arts Unions are pussies (the only injury we'd think about inflicting is with our rapier-sharp wits) and another advantage/disadvantage is every job ends. No matter how bad things get, this too shall pass, and if you're a jerk a work, they don't hire you next time around. In 30+ years, the longest contract I've ever signed is 17 weeks, and that only 2 or 3 times. Most folks in the biz realize the tenuousness of employment, and go out of their way to work harder and more harmoniously than the next guy.

-Nice try, Uncle Fester!

pathetic attempt to deflect away from the golf course to your 3 person office. (which I'm starting to doubt even exists based your your constant references to it)

"too funny. can't refute any fact in the article,"

RIF, Chumley: did you miss the part where the author thought real estate was assessed at market value?

"which I'm starting to doubt even exists based your your constant references to it"

Take an overdose of stupid today?

-did you miss the part where the author thought real estate was assessed at market value?

what's wrong with the assesment?

RIF?

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2012-01-02 11:49 PM | Reply | Flag: very angry and frustrated these days. posts are proof.

Aw...what'sa matter Eb...drunk again?

"very angry and frustrated these days."

Yeah...surrounded by idiots who didn't even know Unions were non-profit.

poor baby. just answer the questions.

I already know why you are angry and frustrated.

But that's another conversation........

-Yeah...surrounded by idiots who didn't even know Unions were non-profit.

well, that was one guy who bailed after he typed it.

but you call that "surrounded". see what being in a union does to you? it makes you a victim 100% of the time. you poor bastard...really.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

oh, I forgot to ask you if I can borrow that cute little line to shove down your throat when you complain about workers being fucked (whether or not they really are)

IRS.GOV:
A nonprofit entity's tax structure and revenue distribution are different .. Nonprofit organizations CAN and DO MAKE A PROFIT, but it must be used solely within the operation OR distributed only to certain exempt outside organizations

Back to the main article. I wonder when the rank and file who support these Unions with their dues will realize that the Unions and their government are working to lower their standard of living. One look at a pay stub with Union dues deducted and federal taxes deducted would sure piss me off.

Back to the main article. I wonder when the rank and file who support these Unions with their dues will realize that the Unions and their government are working to lower their standard of living. One look at a pay stub with Union dues deducted and federal taxes deducted would sure piss me off.

#49 | Posted by paneocon at 2012-01-03 08:48 AM

You'd have to learn to get a real job in the real world first.
BTW, pretty lame attempt to reiterate a point that was thoroughly destroyed by DANFORTH.
You have nothing left to back your claim that "the Unions and their government are working to lower [the] standard of living", and absurd claim on it's face.

49: I have no problem with my dues deduction.

#50 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY

Video is a bitch Darth

#52 | Posted by paneocon at 2012-01-03 11:24 AM

Context is a bigger bitch (for you) PANEOCLOWN. All this video shows is that Obama claims to support unions and is critical of the concessions made by unions in the latest restructuring of the auto industry. I know this part may be hard for you to understand but had there been no unions, there would have been nothing for these auto workers to concede. Once again a hit and miss from PANEOCLOWN's queue cards. And you still don't have anything to support the claim that: "the Unions and their government are working to lower [the] standard of living".

#53 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY

We said that American autoworkers could once again build the best cars in the world. (Applause.) So we stood by the auto industry. And we made some tough choices that were necessary to make it succeed. And now, the Big Three are turning a profit and hiring new workers, and building the best cars in the world right here in Detroit, right here in the Midwest, right here in the United States of America.

THE PRESIDENT: "that really mean the right to work for less and less and less" when I hear some of this talk I know this is not about economics. This is about politics.

And I want everybody here to know, as long as I'm in the White House I'm going to stand up for collective bargaining.

But what unions also know is that the values at the core of the union movement, those don't change. Those are the values that have made this country great. (Applause.) That's what the folks trying to undermine your rights don't understand. When union workers agree to pay freezes and pay cutsâ€"they’re not doing it just to keep their jobs. They're doing it so that their fellow workers -their fellow Americans' can keep their jobs.

#54 | POSTED BY PANEOCON AT 2012-01-03 12:48 PM

You are once again mistaken in believing that repetition equals truth. Reiterating your previous post (same story, different source) still does not prove that "the Unions and their government are working to lower [the] standard of living" since once again had there been no unions, there would have been nothing for these auto workers to concede.
Now go back to posting more pony pics on Reddit.

#55 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY

What the hell do you call removing the ability to collective bargain? Sure has a lot of Libs and union panties in a knot in WI.

This whole thing is really depressing. I was so optimistic too. Same as it ever was. 4 more years of anal no lube.