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Friday, December 30, 2011

Jonathan Weiler: A persistent GOP line of attack against President Obama is that he [has] inflicted an intolerable "regulatory burden" on American businesses. Mitt Romney, for instance, has been telling campaign crowds that the Obama administration has issued four times as much regulation as past presidents. This claim is false. According to Bloomberg news, the Obama administration has issued 613 new federal rules so far in his presidency. During the same period in the presidency of George W. Bush, his administration had issued 643 new rules.

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That regulation is fully justifiable when it mitigates the harm that some private actors might otherwise inflict on others ought to be the minimally agreed upon foundation for a larger conversation about the proper limits and potential pitfalls of specific kinds of government regulation. Instead of joining such a conversation, one of our two major parties offers up a fairy tale version of the economy. The simple idea that private interests, left to their own devices, have the potential to hurt others and undermine the public good is denounced as "socialistic" thinking and un-American. Wealthy private interests are heroic job creators that could and would build a nearly perfect society, if only they were left alone to work their job-creating magic. In that world, only the lazy and undeserving would fail to prosper. Such fantasies ought to have been finally discredited by the disastrous role that deregulation played in the 2008 financial crisis. Instead, the anti-regulatory zealots have doubled down on this delusion and spun a particularly inventive -- and typically fact-free -- tale about how the financial crisis was itself caused by the evils of government regulation (and Barney Frank), a zombie lie that just won't die.

We just experienced the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression yet conservatives who post here still cry for deregulation, some folks are too stupid to learn.

" conservatives who post here still cry for deregulation, some folks are too stupid to learn." - Danni

Regulation won't fix a damn thing. There are plenty of regulations that have been broken yet no one is going to jail. There are plenty of regulations on banks just none of them are enforced. There are plenty of regulations in starting a business, all of them probably good in some way. But when taken in their entirety, they lead to friction and stagnation to the honest man, and has enabled us to enter a more uncertain phase.

We have entered a time of arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power, otherwise known as tyranny, where law enforcement and the executive branch enforce the laws that make them the most money, in tribute. The governments use of power is arbitrary, it is not to protect its citizens but currently to enable more tribute.

Look at the drug war, local police ignore the real problems and go after MJ because there are dollars involved. We don't go after Wall Street because there are dollars involved. We are in a state of tyranny, no regulation will solve. OSHA doesn't go after real problems it goes after Chuckie Cheese for having 16yos run mixers, yet these same 16yos drove to work.

Resist the tribute, and the IRS will come crashing down on you, you have violated some tax regulation how could you not. The IRS plays a statistical game, and only now is enforcing laws that have been in the books for decades. Why? Because the government needs the money.

You would be wise to reflect on the problem if you believe it is a regulation/deregulation is the issue.

All I know, the more lies and stretching of the truth and facts I hear from the GOP the less likely I am going to vote for them.

as romlie continues to show just how dishonest he is the gop better put him on a straighter path cause I will vote obama before romlie and I hate the lazy obama.

Professor of Global Studies, writing for HuffPo, telling us that the regs are just fine, thanks very much.

Okay.

Nonsense?

"Top 10 Worst Federal Rules of 2011"

"The Dim Bulbs Rule

The law requires U.S. citizens to obtain health insurance or face financial penalties imposed by the Internal Revenue Service.

The Nationalization of Internet Networks Rule

As of March 15 (the Ides of March, no less), hotels, restaurants, airlines, and the like became obliged to modify “policies, practices, or procedures” to accommodate miniature horses as service animals. According to the Department of Justice, which administers the rule, miniature horses are a “viable alternative” to dogs for individuals with allergies or for observant Muslims and others whose religious beliefs preclude canine accompaniment.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture proposed stricter nutrition standards that would prohibit school lunch ladies from serving more than one cup per week of potatoes per student. Instead, schools would be required to provide more dark green, orange, and dry bean varieties (think kale) in order to foster vegetable diversity.

The EPA is proposing to force power plants to reduce mercury by 90 percent within three yearsâ€"at an estimated cost of $11 billion annually. A significant number of coal-fired plants will actually exceed the standardâ€"by shutting down altogether. Indeed, grid operators, along with 27 states, are warning that the overly stringent regulations will threaten the reliability of the electricity system and dramatically increase power costs. Just like candidate Obama promised.

One of hundreds of new regulations dictated by the Doddâ€"Frank financial regulation statute requires the Federal Reserve to regulate the fees that financial institutions may charge retailers for processing debit card purchases. The prospect of losing more than $6 billion in annual revenue is prompting financial institutions to hike fees on a variety of banking services to make up for the much smaller payments from stores.

The U.S. Department of Energy began preparations for tightening the water efficiency standards on urinals. It’s all spelled out in excruciating detail in the Energy Conservation Program for Consumer Products Other Than Automobiles, which also regulates the efficiency of toilets, faucets, and showers. And refrigerators and freezers, air conditioners, water heaters, furnaces, dishwashers, clothes washers and dryers, ovens and ranges, pool heaters, television sets, and anything else the Energy Secretary deems as electrically profligate. (Urinals also are regulated by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration

The EPA issued four interrelated rules governing emissions from some 200,000 boilers nationwide at an estimated capital cost of $9.5 billion...Under the so-called Boiler MACT, factories, restaurants, schools, churches, and even farms would be required to conduct emissions testing and comply with standards of control that vary by boiler size, feedstock, and available technologies. The stringency and cost of the new regulations provoked an outpouring of protest, including 21 governors and more than 100 Members of Congress.

New rules require government contractors to give first preference in hiring to the workers of the company that lost the contract. Tens of thousands of companies will be affected, with compliance costs running into the tens of millions of dollarsâ€"costs ultimately borne by taxpayers. The rule effectively ensures that a non-unionized contractor cannot replace a unionized one. That’s because any new contractor will be obliged to hire its predecessors’ unionized workers and thus be forced by the “Successorship Doctrine” to bargain with the union(s)."

blog.heritage.org

"Obama has fewer but more costly regulations than Bush"
"Mr. Obama has approved 129 rules that cost more than $100 million, compared with 90 such rules under Mr. Bush."
www.cbsnews.com

"Obama’s Seven New Regulations Would Cost U.S. Economy Billions"
www.newsmax.com

Nonsense?


blog.heritage.org

#6 | Posted by KBM at 2011-12-29 10:14 AM

Don't spam the thread with your conservative think-tank garbage.


www.newsmax.com

Nonsense?

#7 | Posted by KBM at 2011-12-29 10:28 AM

Yes, NEWSMAX is nonsense.

i don't know about these [your] last two blogs, Darth. both are so overly simplistic as to render them ridiculous to a reasonable mind.

i do not doubt, however, that Romney has misrepresented lots of things, especially anything having to do with Obama.

"i do not doubt, however, that Romney has misrepresented lots of things, especially anything having to do with Obama."

ONE accomplishement of the Obama administration for sure is the addition of a new word to the lexicon.

"INEPTOCRACY--(in-ep-toc’-
ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by members of a society who are the least capable of producing and least likely to sustain themselves or succeed but are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers."

www.newsmax.com

Nonsense?

As in the "ya may as well post a WND birf cerifikat link" sense of "nonsense"?

Yeah, that'd be a definite "yes" there.

See also: Hot Air, tReason (the t is silent) , NationalRtardOnline etc etc.

Be Well.

/A'ight, joined the Dark Brotherhood last night, got a shiat ton of folks wot need killing now.
//Will be back la'erz if "an arrow in the knee" incident occurs.
///Slaaaashiiiiiies!

"Romney has, in fact, repeatedly misrepresented the Obama administration's regulatory record. As with so many Republican Party talking points these days, his claims about Obama and regulation are not intended to be factual statements." From the article.

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?

If the statements a candidate makes are "not intended to be factual" then the statements are intended to be false!

How can you righties ever believe anything these clowns say? How can you expect anybody to believe ANYTHING your insane clown posse says?

I know, Whiskey. Now that Obama. He always tells the truth. And those people over at MSBBC. Especially that dyke. Maddox or something.

Professor of Global Studies, writing for HuffPo, telling us that the regs are just fine, thanks very much.

Okay.

#5 | Posted by rightisright

I wonder if Weiler would support a regulation requiring him to submit all blog writings to his boss?

He's a professor, so the University does have a legitimate interest is what he professes, even when done anonymously.

I wonder if he'd support more regulations on professors; perhaps the grading process.

You know? Make him fill out reams of paper just to submit grades, or something.

Once he experiences what businesses have to suffer through, then and only then will Weiler become truly qualified to write on this subject.

I wonder if the Repub candidates have given up trying to win elections by telling the truth.

Obviously, they have decided that they can not. RIR doesnt even make a pretense. He blames some one named Maddox for Romney's intentional and self acknowledged false characterizations.

Limp deflection RIR.

There are good and bad regulations - acting like they're all bad is just fucking dumb.

The economic crisis is just like Atlas Shrugged - the regulations have been manipulated and used by the powerful to eliminate competition. Its become another "robber baron" era in the USA.

We do need regulation-reform, but with the super-pack $ now available its only going to get worse and worse. The political class isn't capable of working for their $ backers while representing the people at the same time. The govt is broken and becoming a criminal - torturing, jailing innoscents (WOD), terrorizing people all over the world. Why? well...

Welcome to the corporate wars!
Rollerball (1975) trailer . Go Johnathan!

The left is really getting desperate. No they can't defend Obamas regulatory Cass Einstein, but they can try to say gw was worse. Killing America with regulations is what they are as about. Remember for instance how Obama wanted to crush coal nelectricity? Or drive oil prices up to euro levels thru regulations? What the fuck how short is your memory Dr left?????

Sunstein

You may forget or pretend not to remember, but we do you stupid fucks

Dave, when Bush and Obama teamed up to start the "Quantitative Easing" (QE) in 2007/8 it was very clear they're both working for a globalist elete and only "allowing the USA to survive" in order to extract more of its cash. The DEM/REP parties are parasites - and just might kill their own host.

Vote libertarian and realize that's not anarchism. Its a philosophy about finding GOOD regulations while eliminating bad ones. I wrote a book describing how that should be done in 1999 in terms of govt policies - but the human nature of candidate selections, advertizing, etc makes the simple far from easy. It involves educating EVERYONE. So here is my own attempt to do that in book form: Choose, Live Free Or Die! (reitze's book). Of course it doesn't help anyone in the 1% so sponsors for publishing didn't happen.

Every Rethug story that equates Obama to Socialism/Communism/Islam is bullshit. The Rethug in disguise hasn't kept any important campaign promises. That's not to say he wasn't a liberal Senator, just not a liberal President, right wing and mighty meek about it.

This is the reality of the situation. Bush was in charge when the economy tanked. Greenspan and Bernanke have more power than the President, though the President appoints them, he cannot fire them until their term is up. The reason the economy is completely fucked is Obama and Bush are Wall Street's puppets.

Now this is a real potential problem. Romney is Wall Street. His behavior is a short version of the S&L and 2008 disasters. 10-12 companies flipped while laying off employees to improve the short term appearance of balance sheets. More than half filed for bankruptcy after Romney raided them and 40% went under. Romney is the worst possible solution to the Wall Street problem which has destroyed our economy for their short term gain. They are our enemy. An enemy which started a class war against workers and has never let up.

That said, Romney has been unable to transcend the mid-twenties within his own party. A majority of Rethuglican primary activists clearly do not like this guy, even though he has the full support of the puppetmasters. Obama does not deserve to be re-elected, but as long as Romney is the competition he's going to win. It is my belief that a Paul/Huntsman team would trounce Obama and I would love to see that emerge. Unfortunately, between the batshit crazy Rethuglican primary activists and the secretive big money operatives such an outcome is nearly impossible.

big business has your personal interest at heart, why bother them with silly shit like rules and laws? giving them complete and unfettered freedom is a good thing for everyone!

I wonder if the Repub candidates have given up trying to win elections by telling the truth.

Obviously, they have decided that they can not. RIR doesnt even make a pretense. He blames some one named Maddox for Romney's intentional and self acknowledged false characterizations.

Limp deflection RIR.

#16 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

Godalmighty, are you stupid. You've heard that before, right?

Regulation won't fix a damn thing. There are plenty of regulations that have been broken yet no one is going to jail.

They obviously didn't have enough teeth.

Regulations do work.

Fro example:

BP employees face charges over claims they took part in cover-up over Gulf of Mexico oil spill

"BP's staff could be charged individually, with the firm already facing up to $36.6million in fines and potential criminal charges as a company."

www.dailymail.co.uk

If your mind set is corporations and rich folk are evil, you love regulations as a means of exacting divine punishment. This absolves you of any responsibility for unintended consequences that may come from your inspired acts of cleansing out the evil or bothering to think through the consequences of your that may occur.

Now I think that the regulations lovers should be regulated.

"Four times as much regulation."

Just one of his regulations covers 20% of the economy. It's meaningless to compare the physical number of regulations. You would think that a Professor would realize that.

On second thought, I'm sure the Professor *does* realize that and he is shamelessly obfuscating to keep the useful idiots ginned up.

I will not argue that reitze and I am happy you recognize many of the problems are bi-partisan in nature. That's been my opinion on here for years.

Come on hugenot. You should know by now the left has been screaming for more regulations, demanding them in fact. The fucking dodd frank bill is a monstrosity that's so large and complex unto itself, the regulators don't even know how to define it, much less implement it.

One way to feel good about themselves to is accuse the right of being worse then they are. It diverts attention.

Like the charges against Gun walker vs. fast and furious. Remember eric witHolder subpoening Issa over fast and furious. he wanted to know what Issa knew...cause he was conducting His Own Investigation into the matter.

Their shit stinks so bad....even they know it!!!

The reason Dodd-Frank is so big is because Wall Street rewrote their own rules, loading the fucking thing with exceptions until it became meaningless change.

For 75 years after the great depresion, our economy remained healthy, even with endless "business cycles", until Glass-Steagal was repealed and Gramm-Leach-Bliley slipped into law in the middle of the night. Whether these "cycles" are accidental or necessary is highly suspect. There is plenty of reason to believe they are a method of robbing workers of their savings. A workers only defense is to avoid excess debt. "Excess" depends on your job security more than anything else. There is no defense whatsoever from securites fraud, hi-speed trading, or outright pension fund looting, which routinely sanction.

After the great depression Roosevelt correctly identified Wall Street as the culprits. Prosecutor Ferdinand Pecora, a fiery Italian immigrant and former prosecutor who was chosen by the Senate banking committee to delve into the causes of the stock market crash and resulting Great Depression. The "Pecora Commission" hearings laid the ground work for the 1932 Glass-Steagall Act and other laws that kept our financial system stable for more than half a century.

Nothing like this has ccurred. After far more damage than the first greta depression, all we are getting is a massive cover-up, just like the CIA-drug running-War connections, its to awful to contemplate what our own Governmnet has done to us (for the benefit of insiders).

We need to restore regulations that will prevent another 2008. Dodd-Frank is not such a document. Glass-Steagal is. But it is also necessary to cancel "The Securities Modernization Act" (aka Gramm-Leach-Bliley).

NOTHING HAS BEEN FIXED.

Seems the legalism has gone crazy, and not just the GOP. I just posted a related thread - www.drudge.com...40000-new- laws-land-free-usa

Last year 80k pages of NEW regulations that affect each of us were written. Washington wants to own you, and your property. That house and land you own won't be yours. They will allow you to live there, sure, and to continue to pay for it, along with the taxes, but no it won't be yours.

"Last year 80k pages of NEW regulations that affect each of us were written."

LMAO... 40,000 new laws take effect. Only the stupidest and most partisan dems are ignorant enough to claim NEW regulations are nonsense. Knowing of course the Gov spends almost half their budgets enforcing laws and regulations. Go figure why we are broke.

"the Gov spends almost half their budgets enforcing laws and regulations. "

Link?

Link?
#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2011-12-31 12:06 PM

Why? You are still stuck on stupid and bring up some currency law and try and apply it to mortgages. Why would one expect you to understand the costs to enforce laws and regulations?

"You are still stuck on stupid and bring up some currency law and try and apply it to mortgages."

Gee, the NY Attorney General writes about how states weren't allowed to apply their own lending laws due to the Bush administration invoking an obscure law from the 1860s, and Princess Pee believes he knows more about the subject than Spitzer.

"Why would one expect you to understand the costs to enforce laws and regulations?"

And here we go again, with the moving of the goalposts. Suddenly, it's all about "costs and regulations", and next it'll be all about my ignorance of "costs and regulations", as if that's what the debate has morphed into.

But who to believe regarding laws: Spitzer, or Princess Pee? Decisions, decisions....

"Why? "

Because you're a lying sack of shit.

But feel free to link to proof of your claim "the Gov spends almost half their budgets enforcing laws and regulations."

"Because you're a lying sack of shit."

Like I was lying about what a speed bag is called here in the states? How about lying about what a 125 LTV mortgage is? Among the many other subjects you are stupid enough to open your yap and have it bitch slapped shut... LMAO!!!

"Like I was lying about what a speed bag is called here in the states?"

What's it called in the states? A Danforth?

"Gee, the NY Attorney General writes about how states weren't allowed to apply their own lending laws due to the Bush administration invoking an obscure law from the 1860s, and Princess Pee believes he knows more about the subject than Spitzer."

So you are stupid enuough to listen to Spitzer and not smart enough to undertstand he is full of shit? HTF is that my fault you are lazy and embarrass yourself by echoing him?

Once again, wtf would Spitzer group discrimination and Bush preventing states from enforcing predatory lending laws? You want to ptretend YOU undertstand? Then explain the reason...

"How about lying about what a 125 LTV mortgage is? "

What a dumbshit. You moved the parameters AFTER I proved you wrong. 'No, I meant a DIFFERENT type of 125! The kind I hadn't mentioned until you posted the link!'

"Like I was lying about what a speed bag is called here in the states?"

Oh, look at your dumb ass. You can't even be truthful about that debate. You said NO ONE the the USA called it a speedbag, and I found folks in the USA who did.

Like I've said before, when you start to lie, I'm done. What a fuckin' pussy.

What's it called in the states? A Danforth?

#40 | Posted by nullifidian at 2011-12-31 12:28 PM |

As much as it is fun to punch a bag... Why not? danforth is as full of air as a bag, and easy to hit...

"What a dumbshit. You moved the parameters AFTER I proved you wrong. 'No, I meant a DIFFERENT type of 125! The kind I hadn't mentioned until you posted the link!"

I did? How's that genius? There was only one 125 LTV product, and they were 2nds. Not my fault you are so fucking stupid that you couldn't bother to understand wtf they were before opening your yap and proving how clueless you were to claim they had any bearing in the Housing collapse back in 2008.

You said NO ONE "the the" USA called it a speedbag, and I found folks in the USA who did.

Now you are a stammering, whining loser... The the the the...

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