Obama By Landslide in 2012.
Damn The (Rayciss) Approval Ratings.

Be Well.

Yay!!! Now he can play more golf.

What does it really say about the strength of the GOP presidential candidate pool when Obama's approval rating INCREASES at a time when those GOP candidates are dominating the news with the upcoming Iowa Caucuses and ensuing primaries? lol

2 words for ya, Moder8: John L. Kerry

His disapproval is at 48% There are 10 months before the election and the GOP first caucus is 6 days away. We should remember his outstanding--absolutely-- positively--great--approval rating of 46% in December 2011. Whoop-dee-doo....

That's cute.

I'm sure the next monthly crisis will bring it back down, since he's never had the leadership ability to increase the debt limit or extend the payroll tax for more than 2 months.

#2, maybe it's going up BECAUSE he's playing golf and not continuing Bush's legacy of destruction.

Just wait till he gets back next week and kicks off the New Year with signing the NDAA.

This definitely doesn't bode well for Obama, although this is not a typical election year. I think the joke of a republican candidate pool can effectively raise the +/-3% error to maybe 6%, moving Obama above the 50% requirement Gallup makes reference to.

Someone's got an ace up his sleeve. Who ever does will win the election.

Fucking bummer. Ever since he passed along those foreign threats from terrorists its been quite clear he's violated his oath and will "BURN" (search my youtube if you'd like that ref) in hell like that guy in FL should have done with the book he bought.

Maybe if Obama keeps playing golf, his vacation time will come close to matching that of George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan?

This'll be a fun election. The Obama crew will try to manipulate the economy as best as they can to make things look better then they are.However, the markets are going to be troublesome again this year and employment won't grow as it should. If the Obummer wins it'll be a "barnburner" and another 4 years of lack of leadership although the congress will finally do something about the deficit and the Obumer would sign anything put in fromt of his face (without having a clue as to what he was signing).

#10 just like he's already achieved in CRIMINAL status.

Good one, Reitze.

Anyone that robs Peter and pays Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

The more Republican Debates the better President Obama looks, OBAMA 2012, 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew it.

The more the Republicans debated, the better Obama would look.

Gallup polling shows President Barack Obama garnering 46 percent approval from American adults.....

Yea, which adults are they ?

Yep there ain't no way Obama going to lose, everything is great everybody loves him and who could possibly be unhappy with the job or debt situation.

.....NOPE in 2012.....then the unions of the teachrs, billions and billions wasted year after year.

who could possibly be unhappy with the job or debt situation.

Not to worry. The public knows who was responsible for it, and it wasn't Obama

Not to worry. The public knows who was responsible for it, and it wasn't Obama

"Yes we can" resonated. "Why we couldn't" won't, except with the most rabid partisans. Probably you.

Not to worry. The public knows who was responsible for it, and it wasn't Obama

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2011-12-28 08:01 PM | Reply

I'm part of the public and I know who will be held responsible and accountable-----especially since that "person" said he could fix anything and could walk on water.

"especially since that "person" said he could fix anything and could walk on water."

Oh, that old tact: when the truth fails you, lie.

could walk on water."

Oh, that old tact: when the truth fails you, lie.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2011-12-28 08:45 PM | Reply

Dan, I'll help you on that one; it's an allegory, Dan.

"it's an allegory, Dan."

No it's not; it's the bar folks like you set. Not that you'd be satisfied if he actually did those things.

No it's not; it's the bar folks like you set.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2011-12-28 08:52 PM | Reply |

Not really; it's the bar zero set with his supporters. He and they both lapped up the hype based on a limited resume. He was doomed from the start to wallow around since he never ran a thing in his life (oh, wait, Dan, I'm wrong on that one---he did run the law review).

"it's the bar zero set with his supporters."

Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiight...because it was all his supporters calling him Messiah.

Be honest Dan, do you still get the thrills up your leg?

"do you still get the thrills up your leg?"

Obama is a politician; nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-10 09:53 AM

According to him he is a blank screen.

Nice dodge on the question though. I'll take it as a no.

Obama is the worst presidential candidate ever! Except for all the others.

Ron Paul is actually the best candidate, but between telling the public that there is no free lunch and his crazy ideas on foreign policy, he won't get a whole lot of votes, and even if he did he would need a handler when it came to foreign policy I think.

"I'll take it as a no."

Don't. Your operative word was "still".

For the record, I think Huntsman is the best candidate.

For the record, I think Huntsman is the best candidate.
#31 | Posted by Danforth

FLAG: Reich-Wing Shill.

Be Well.

It would not be so bad if the repubicans actually had somebody. But they don't, just a bunch of religious control freaks. However Ron Paul has a lot of good idea's, but he's just too old.We do need to end the war in afghanistan, that was a mistake and waste of money. The global economy will take time to correct it self. There just too many people and not enough to go around.

It'll be Romney versus obama.

You mean non-smoking Obama versus Obama, matsop.

I'm sure that the millions who have lost their jobs these last few years will be rooting for him come next November.

My friend, a life-long Republican who now says he's an Independent (I don't know any Republican who doesn't claim he's an Independent these days" and who could blame them.) , puts it this way: "American voters don't deserve a president as intelligent as Barach Obama or Jimmy Carter." I hadn't thought of it that way, but perhaps he's right.

No surprises here.

The longer people get to look at the asshats the GOP are putting up for 2012 the better Obama looks in direct comparison.

LOL.

Be Well.

Obama By Landslide in 2012.
Damn The (Rayciss) Approval Ratings.

Be Well.

#1 | Posted by skip_wellington

Racist approval ratings? That's funny. At least 1/3 of that 46% is based solely on race.

Or do you deny that most of the black vote and continued support is purely over race?

My friend, a life-long Republican who now says he's an Independent (I don't know any Republican who doesn't claim he's an Independent these days" and who could blame them.) , puts it this way: "American voters don't deserve a president as intelligent as Barach Obama or Jimmy Carter." I hadn't thought of it that way, but perhaps he's right.

#37 | Posted by nimbleswitch

How do you know Barack is intelligent? Please show me your source.

do you deny that most of the black vote and continued support is purely over race?

Dunno quite how to break it to you Sparky but the minority vote has traditionally gone to the Dems for a very long time for a very good reason.

Can you guess what that reason is?

Also FYI: Carter was a better man and a better POTUS than Reagan.

Be Well.

Dunno quite how to break it to you Sparky but the minority vote has traditionally gone to the Dems for a very long time for a very good reason.

Can you guess what that reason is?

#41 | Posted by dethspud

Your shoes prove it's manipulative advertising.

I expect nothing less than loyalty from a brand-centered culture. And they don't either.

Democrat is just your brand, your colors.

And like the street version of the 'ole red vs. blue, you simply don't switch sides.

A brand-centered culture is just that. You won't become Republicans, until you ALL decide to become Republicans.

Your shoes prove it's manipulative advertising.

"Democrat is just your brand, your colors."

Just a Republican talking point designed after the GOP destroyed the American economy. If there is no difference between the parties then explain Dodd/Frank and HCR moron. Explain the Bush tax cuts. There are literally trillions of dollars worth of difference.

Yes, sez me. I'm brilliant like that. And completely accurate; it's well known that black people are an advertisers wet dream.

#46 | Posted by danni at 2011-12-29 08:54 AM | Reply | Flag: proudly waves her pom poms. doesn't care who is laughing at her.

"Democrat is just your brand, your colors."

Just a Republican talking point designed after the GOP destroyed the American economy. If there is no difference between the parties then explain Dodd/Frank and HCR moron. Explain the Bush tax cuts. There are literally trillions of dollars worth of difference.

#46 | Posted by danni

You and I know that.

But we are talking about morons who kill other morons over name-brand shoes.

For them, Democrat is just their Brand. They have no idea what frank/dodd/hcr even is. And good not care less about it.

it's well known that black people are an advertisers wet dream.

You were the guy who was wondering why more black folks don't vote Republican weren't you?

Here's a clue.

People. Like. You.

Be Well.

it's well known that black people are an advertisers wet dream.

You were the guy who was wondering why more black folks don't vote Republican weren't you?

Here's a clue.

People. Like. You.

Be Well.

#50 | Posted by dethspud

Even the black folks who work in advertising know this. Blacks are extremely easy to manipulate; and it's not because they are stupid.

Blacks have a monolithic brand-centered existence. Something smart corporations have long profited from.

You're Democrat for a very simple reason; it's your brand.

-You were the guy who was wondering why more black folks don't vote Republican weren't you?

where did he say he was "wondering why"?

where did he say he was "wondering why"?

Well, he didn't, really, but he *was* speculating without a clue and obviously he was interested in the subject so Spud just naturally assumed he's appreciate some information there.

Was that wrong?

Should Spud not have done that?

^_^

Be Well.

It'd be safe to brand you all with a "D" branding iron at birth. That D is nearly guaranteed for life, even at your birth.

It's almost like you have no choice in the matter. The group-think is way too overwhelming.

"But we are talking about morons who kill other morons over name-brand shoes."

The idiots doing that don't vote, black people who think do vote though and they choose to vote Democrat basicly because Republican policies have worked against their economic interests and their civil rights. Don't pretend that black people don't understand politics as well as you do, they have used politics to raise their race from second class to equality. The Democratic Party allowed that to happen while the Republican party pandered to the southern racists. Anyone who believes the "both parties are the same" isn't really paying attention or is so biased towards Republicans that it is the only excuse they can think of for the actions of that party.

that poll would in fact be, by definition be misleading ..

~ those that continue to support Obama after what his radical Administration have put the Country thru can only be;
~ desperate ideologues .. dupes .. or freeloaders ..
.. sadly there is NO other rationale to support these enemies of working class American Exceptional-ism

"Anyone who realizes the "both parties are the same" are really paying attention"

ft

so biased towards Republicans that it is the only excuse they can think of for the actions of that party.

don't assign your blind ideology to others. I know it's hard for you realize danni but some folks just don't have an affinity to a party. none. There are so many flaws in both parties, I don't have all day to point them out to you.

Anyone who believes the "both parties are the same" isn't really paying attention

They're about as different as Catholics are from Protestants. They both worship the same god, the state in this case. They only disagree on how to expand state power. This is a sick society which cannot come to any good.

The idiots doing that don't vote, black people who think do vote though and they choose to vote Democrat basicly because Republican policies have worked against their economic interests and their civil rights. Don't pretend that black people don't understand politics as well as you do, they have used politics to raise their race from second class to equality. The Democratic Party allowed that to happen while the Republican party pandered to the southern racists. Anyone who believes the "both parties are the same" isn't really paying attention or is so biased towards Republicans that it is the only excuse they can think of for the actions of that party.

#55 | Posted by danni

The 1964 Civil Rights Act passed in the Senate with 82% Republican and 69% Democrat support.

The 1964 Civil Rights Act passed in the Senate with 82% Republican and 69% Democrat support.

After which the Dixiecrats famously (or infamously as some might suggest) switched parties and became Republicans, making the southern states a GOP stronghold to this very day. Which also lead to decades long "Southern strategy" in which the GOP race-baited shamelessly to turn out the racist vote.

And now you know the rest of the story.

Wow, if Spud had a nickle every time some wob-troll tried telling only the first half of that tale Spud would prolly put all those nickels into a sack and then smash the next person who tried that BS right in the kisser with it.

/ITG FTW!

Be Well.

The 1964 Civil Rights Act passed in the Senate with 82% Republican and 69% Democrat support.

#60 | Posted by BloodSacrafice

Oh, please. Those Republicans are RINOS by todays Asshole Tea Party Republican formulation.

It's just astonishing to me. You brain-dead opeople rail and rail against "liberal Republicans" every freaking chance you get, but when you want not to be seen as racists they are suddenly part of the family again.

It all would be funny if you kids didn't take yourselves so damned seriously.

"The 1964 Civil Rights Act passed in the Senate with 82% Republican and 69% Democrat support."

Very true but then in 1972 Richard Nixon used his Southern Strategy to get elected President, in 1980 Ronald Reagan kicked off his campaign in Philadelphia, Miss. and also used the southern strategy. Don't even try to tell me that the GOP did not cater to white southern racists, I've lived in the south most of my life and watched it all happen. Realize I could vote in the 1972 election and I was already very focused on politics.

"It all would be funny if you kids didn't take yourselves so damned seriously."

It would be funny except for a few wars and an economic disaster, those things sort of reduce the hilarity.

this is fun.

danni justifies the differences by calling the GOP racists (real fucking original BTW) and now they DON'T want to discuss history.

Bloodsacrifice is rubbing your noses in it and apparently you don't like the smell very much.

well, enjoy it anyway.

Don't even try to tell me that the GOP did not cater to white southern racists, I've lived in the south most of my life and watched it all happen.

#63 | Posted by danni at 2011-

You are far from the only one that saw this stuff directly.

Political scientists Richard Johnston (University of Pennsylvania) and Byron Shafer (University of Wisconsin) have argued that this phenomenon had more to do with the economics than it had to do with race. In The End of Southern Exceptionalism, Johnston and Shafer wrote that the Republicans' gains in the South corresponded to the growth of the upper middle class in that region. They suggested that such individuals believed their economic interests were better served by the Republicans than the Democrats. According to Johnston and Shafer, working-class white voters in the South continued to vote for Democrats for national office until the 1990s. In summary, Shafer told The New York Times, "[whites] voted by their economic preferences, not racial preferences".[6]

working-class white voters in the South continued to vote for Democrats for national office until the 1990s. In summary, Shafer told The New York Times, "[whites] voted by their economic preferences, not racial preferences".[6]

en.wikipedia.org

#67 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-12-29 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Except, or course, when they were voting Dixiecrat or George Wallace. What do these scholars think about that?

Except, or course, when they were voting Dixiecrat or George Wallace.

Shows how little you know about George Wallace if you think a vote for him was a vote for racism.

In Wallace's last term as governor in the late 1980s, he hired a black press secretary, appointed more than 160 blacks to state governing boards and worked to double the number of black voter registrars in Alabama's 67 counties. In part, it was the politics of patronage â€" in his last race for governor he won with 60 percent of the vote and well over 90 percent of the black vote â€" but on a deeper level it was using his waning political power to bond with those he once scorned. Tuskegee Institute responded with an honorary degree.

"danni justifies the differences by calling the GOP racists (real fucking original BTW) and now they DON'T want to discuss history."

I provided you a little history lesson Eberly, are you now going to try and dispute my facts? If not then your comment is, as usual, just trolling. To pretend that the Republican Party did not depend on racism for advantage is ridiculous, now whether or not it still does today is debatable but there is still some truth to that even today, IMHO.

"Shows how little you know about George Wallace if you think a vote for him was a vote for racism."

George Wallace did reform in his later years but to pretend he wasn't an outright racist earlier is laughable. People learn, people grow. Sen. Byrd proved that as well.

can we go back to the civil war too while we are at it?

LOL

...Don't even try to tell me that the GOP did not cater to white southern racists...

#63 | Posted by danni

Today they refer to that as reaching across the aisle.

Those white southern racists you're referring to above, where ALL Democrats, darling.

but to pretend he wasn't an outright racist earlier is laughable.

Shows how little you know about Wallace.

He gained a reputation for fairness regardless of the race of the plaintiff, and J. L. Chestnut, a black lawyer, recalled, "Judge George Wallace was the most liberal judge that I had ever practiced law in front of. He was the first judge in Alabama to call me 'Mister' in a courtroom."[11][note 1] On the other hand, "Wallace was the first Southern judge to issue an injunction against removal of segregation signs in railroad terminals."[12] Wallace blocked federal efforts to review Barbour County voting lists, for which he was cited for criminal contempt of court in 1959.[12] Wallace also granted probation to some blacks, which may have cost him the 1958 gubernatorial election.[13]

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.
Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?
Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."[6][7]

-I provided you a little history lesson Eberly, are you now going to try and dispute my facts?

it's history you are "framing" to make an argument based on nothing other than your own ideology. It's not that hard to do, it's just a waste of time.

if you want to believe the GOP is racist scum and then point to the civil rights act as a justification then own the numbers...plain and simple.

facts?

"George Wallace did reform in his later years"

yeah...sure.

you're crazy.

-are you now going to try and dispute my facts?

post one first and then we'll discuss.

Stop making a fool of yourself Eberly, it's painful to watch.

Wallace is to racism exactly as Dubya was to Christianity-

He lost his first bid for governor to a racist and ran his second time as a super racist just as Dubya lost his first bid to an Evangelical and ran the second time as Uber-Christ.

"George Wallace did reform in his later years"

True that.

It's true that, in the distant past, Republican presidential candidates have attempted to reach across the aisle to southern white Democrats.

And they are still paying the price for doing it.

George Wallace is a great figure to watch how politics corrupts and power perverts. He began as a liberal pro-civil rights judge who lost and became what beat him because power was more important to him than morals. It took his getting shot to realize what was important to him and he tried before dying to correct his mistakes.

-To pretend that the Republican Party did not depend on racism for advantage is ridiculous

I won't dispute that.

but the dems use racism as a wedge everyday. They use idiots like you, spud, corky, doc, danforth, etc. to label anybody a racist just to scare the shit out of blacks and keep them on one side of the fence, which BTW is the only goal of that.

pathetic and obvious.

it's painful to watch.

yeah, but you're always in pain, aren't you?

I think the Drive By Truckers summed up Wallace perfectly:

And George Wallace died back in '98 and he's in Hell now, not because he's a racist… His track record as a judge and his late-life quest for redemption make a good argument for his being, at worst, no worse than most white men of his generation, North or South… But because of his blind ambition and his hunger for votes, he turned a blind eye to the suffering of Black America. And he became a pawn in the fight against the Civil Rights cause

I actually attended a George Wallace for President rally in 1972 just to seen what kind of people were there.

"They use idiots like you, spud, corky, doc, danforth, etc."

Proud to be associated with that group, thanks for the compliment. Study hard and maybe someday you can join us.

"They use idiots like you, spud, corky, doc, danforth, etc."

Proud to be associated with that group, thanks for the compliment. Study hard and maybe someday you can join us.

George Wallace is a great figure to watch how politics corrupts and power perverts.

#82 | Posted by kanrei

An intellectually honest mind might even have to admit, that it could happen to "me" too.

Perhaps the very experience produces a chemical reaction in the human blood stream; activating special endorphins and receptors that turn off objectivity.

Something happens. Too many otherwise good people, simply go bad in politics.

"George Wallace is a great figure to watch how politics corrupts and power perverts. He began as a liberal pro-civil rights judge who lost and became what beat him because power was more important to him than morals."

I had relatives who lived in Alabama, yes actual liberals in Alabama in the sixties. They voted for Wallace for Gov. thinking that he was, in their words, a "southern John Kennedy" type of politician.

Shows how little you know about George Wallace if you think a vote for him was a vote for racism.

Not sure if serious or just really uninformed.

As Governor Wallace famously stood in the door of a public schoolhouse in defense of segregation and dared authorities to remove him.

It was in all the papers.

Best part about Wallace was that his efforts ending up speeding up the process of desegregation dramatically.

Some days the law of unintended consequences breaks in your favor.

Be Well.

But because of his blind ambition and his hunger for votes, he turned a blind eye to the suffering of Black America. And he became a pawn in the fight against the Civil Rights cause

"But because he had a "D" after his name, I have to believe he reformed. I really don't have a choice, do I?"

dannispud

Not sure if serious or just really uninformed.

As Governor Wallace famously stood in the door of a public schoolhouse in defense of segregation and dared authorities to remove him.

It was in all the papers.

Serious and informed. If the standing in front of the school house is all you know, you are uninformed.

He gained a reputation for fairness regardless of the race of the plaintiff, and J. L. Chestnut, a black lawyer, recalled, "Judge George Wallace was the most liberal judge that I had ever practiced law in front of. He was the first judge in Alabama to call me 'Mister' in a courtroom."[11][note 1] On the other hand, "Wallace was the first Southern judge to issue an injunction against removal of segregation signs in railroad terminals."[12] Wallace blocked federal efforts to review Barbour County voting lists, for which he was cited for criminal contempt of court in 1959.[12] Wallace also granted probation to some blacks, which may have cost him the 1958 gubernatorial election.[13]

In the wake of his defeat, Wallace "made a Faustian bargain," said Emory University professor Dan Carter. "In order to survive and get ahead politically in the 1960s, he sold his soul to the devil on race."[14] He adopted hard-line segregationism, and used this stand to court the white vote in the next gubernatorial election.

I actually attended a George Wallace for President rally in 1972 just to seen what kind of people were there.

a lot of democrats.......

Say whatcha want - bungholio is no dummy. He knew exactly when to pull the troops out of Iraq. Till the other day he considered the troops cannon fodder.

#80 .. telling that Lesher's Wallace-bio upon which you base your opinions does NOT tell the same story as a half dozen other bios

hmmm .. more cherry picking by the left?

Proud to be associated with that group,

no doubt. they have tried to rescue you from multiple gang-rapes on this place. you owe them....huge.

In the wake of his defeat, Wallace "made a Faustian bargain," said Emory University professor Dan Carter. "In order to survive and get ahead politically in the 1960s, he sold his soul to the devil on race."

Do you not even read your own links anymore?

What part of "sold his soul to the devil on race" are you not getting?

Be Well.

-Not sure if serious or just really uninformed.

spud is now "informed" about Southern politics in a country he does not live in and events that occured before he was born (probably).

good christ, I'll take danni's word on this stuff before his.

What part of "sold his soul to the devil on race" are you not getting?

so is the argument still that the parties are the same or have you now changed it to "the parties ARE the same but this is why..."

watching retarded dogs chase their tale is fun.

Caught a Coho out of the Rogue River last month. I released him too.

Do you not even read your own links anymore?

What part of "sold his soul to the devil on race" are you not getting?

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud at 2011-12-29 10:20 AM |

I have spoken on that repeatedly. Do you not read threads?

Wallace is to racism exactly as Dubya was to Christianity-

He lost his first bid for governor to a racist and ran his second time as a super racist just as Dubya lost his first bid to an Evangelical and ran the second time as Uber-Christ.

#79 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-12-29 10:06 AM |

OR

George Wallace is a great figure to watch how politics corrupts and power perverts. He began as a liberal pro-civil rights judge who lost and became what beat him because power was more important to him than morals. It took his getting shot to realize what was important to him and he tried before dying to correct his mistakes.

#82 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-12-29 10:08 AM

Try actually working more on reading and less on your writing style.

Shows how little you know about George Wallace if you think a vote for him was a vote for racism.

#69 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-12-29 09:55

History, I've learned, really means nothing. Especially, as I have discovered, if you happened to have lived through it.

The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1965, if memory serves. Wallace ran in 1968 and 1972.

I HEARD why people voted for Wallace, from their own mouths. Interesting how racists transform into liberals almost at the drop of a hat. Then again, virtually everyone has imagination.

Wallace was not a racist; he was a political opportunist that adopted whatever persona would give him the most power. His term as a judge showed clearly that he was far from a racist.

"They use idiots like you, spud, corky, doc, danforth, etc. to label anybody a racist"

Fuck you, you lying jagoff. Find ONE example of me labeling anyone a racist in this regard. Ever.

but the dems use racism as a wedge everyday

Um yeah, how about no?

Noticing racism on the right and pointing it out is not the same as being a racist or using racism as a wedge issue.

You fail.

When did you fall off the derp end, Eberly?

Your posts used to make at least a little sense every once in a while but not so much any more.

Sad is that.

Be Well.

Wallace was not a racist; he was a political opportunist that adopted whatever persona would give him the most power. His term as a judge showed clearly that he was far from a racist.

#104 | Posted by kanrei

Really sort of inarguable I guess. We can simply never know his heart.

I would guess though, that Wallace did want the best for everybody.

It was just that the very idea of what was "best" was radically changing during during the 60-70's, and Wallace too by political necessity.

The points Wallace made about the coming disintegration of the black family unit, certainly proved prophetic.

"Noticing racism on small fractions of the right and trying to label the entire GOP as being a racist is what idiots like me do"

ft

"The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1965, if memory serves. Wallace ran in 1968 and 1972."

Yep and let's look at today. What do Republicans run on...oh yeah....repeal of Obamacare, repeal of Dodd Frank. Same thing back then. Republicans generally run on turning progress back, they run on pretending that if we could only return to America of the 1950's all would be great. Only problem is that the era they so fondly remember wasn't so great for a large segment of America.

Fuck you, you lying jagoff. Find ONE example of me labeling anyone a racist in this regard. Ever.

danforth, I included you on that list because you refer to the "Southern strategy" and copy the words said by folks you can't stand nor believe as gospel. You are a participant in helping the dem party scare blacks into remaining dem voters.

Geez, is there a leftist here who isn't on the rag right now?

"The points Wallace made about the coming disintegration of the black family unit, certainly proved prophetic."

I think it would have been more prophetic had he left out the word "black."

repeal of Obamacare, repeal of Dodd Frank.

repealing obamacare is going back to the 50's?

you are off the rails....completely. you're in total hysterics.

"The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1965, if memory serves. Wallace ran in 1968 and 1972."

Yep and let's look at today. What do Republicans run on...oh yeah....repeal of Obamacare, repeal of Dodd Frank. Same thing back then.

#109 | Posted by danni

On June 19, the substitute (compromise) bill passed the Senate by a vote of 71â€"29, and quickly passed through the House-Senate conference committee, which adopted the Senate version of the bill. The conference bill was passed by both houses of Congress, and was signed into law by President Johnson on July 2, 1964.

It's the same 1964 Civil Rights Act that Al Gore's father (D), voted against (3 times).

Geez, is there a leftist here who isn't on the rag right now?

Remind Spud sometimes to esplain to you why the modern GOP with also increasingly being looked at with horror by younger women.

Be Well.

I release you now. You're free to swim away from me Dummi.

with = is

Be Well.

-Remind Spud sometimes to esplain to you why the modern GOP with also increasingly being looked at with horror by younger women.

why? WTF do I care?

oh, I get it....you are pom pom skirt wearing cheerleader for one party and so you think my POV is framed like your's.

it isn't, but you'll never get that. never.

"I included you on that list because you refer to the "Southern strategy" and copy the words said by folks you can't stand"

Fuck you.

All I included was Republicans own words ADMITTING their racism, and usually after some numbnuts claims Rs are the party of racial enlightenment. The trouble with you dicks is you won't even believe the truth when smacked in the face with it.

"You are a participant in helping the dem party scare blacks into remaining dem voters. "

By repeating what Rs have admitted, yet you don't want to believe. Got it: posting exactly what Republicans say is somehow racist. Thanks for the clarification, Newterly.

"What do Republicans run on...oh yeah....repeal of Obamacare, repeal of Dodd Frank. Same thing back then."

Well, lotta times bad legislation NEEDS to be repealed. You have noticed, haven't you, that most Americans WANT ObamaCare repealed? Even bad Constituional Amendments are sometimes repealed. In fact, I'm pushing for repeal of the 16th Amendment as we speak.

trying to label the entire GOP as being a racist

No, that's just a retarded RW talking point that you've foolishly allowed yourself to spew.

See also: "All criticisms of Obama are deflected as racism".

Most absolutist arguments are garbage as a rule but the ones that you guys keep spewing are making you look pants-on-head retarded.

Most Republicans are not racists.

That noted, most racists are Republicans.

Clear?

If not here's a picture that might help.

LOL...from the headlines it doesn't appear well. The majority of this thread is about Wallace of ancient history. Guess obama isn't doing all the well, just people know his name.

By repeating what Rs have admitted, yet you don't want to believe

the only thing I believe is that they admitted to it ONLY to pander to those same voters. I never said it wasn't true. My point was to why they copped to it. In your eyes, they are the biggest liars on the planet until they tell you something you already believe. NOW they are truthtellers.....LOL.

what a tool.

Are are you stupid enough to think they did it to clense their souls?

Fuck you.

that's ashame.....

You have noticed, haven't you, that most Americans WANT ObamaCare repealed?

Most Americans (when you tell them what the ACA actually does) are for it.

When you demonize it and call it "Obamacare" you get a different result.

Repealing "Obamacare" A) Will never happen and B) Would not help but hurt the economy.

Be Well.

Most Republicans are not racists.

That noted, most racists are Republicans.

Really!

Most racists don't belong to a party, but as the song goes..."""Those were the days""""

-No, that's just a retarded RW talking point that you've foolishly allowed yourself to spew.

I'm only repeating EXACTLY what I have read over and over here.

-Clear?

I'm clear just fine. It's you who is confused. Only on a thread where dems are shown to be outright racists and political opportunitsts would you even dare to suggest concede that most of the GOP is not racist (well, you probably think it's about 51% not being racist).

give it up...you can't take the words uttered by the left here and make like it wasn't said.

they truly and really believe the teaparty is almost wholistically about racism and that they are just masking it under the sign of "smaller government conservatives".

Federal income taxes were once unconstitutional. The 16th Amendment changed that.

"Remind Spud sometimes to esplain to you why the modern GOP with also increasingly being looked at with horror by younger women."

Someone should perhaps 'splain to DeadPud that he has to stop drinking the Kool-Aid to see the clear picture. DeadPud should stick to Canadian politics where his predictions are equally as fucked up as they are here.

"Obama's approval rating is now 12 percentage points lower than his 2008 share of the vote among young adults (age 18-29); 11 points lower among African Americans; and 10 points among college-educated white women… Compared to his 2008 showing, he's tumbled 14 percentage points among independents, another group that provided him a narrow majority of its votes last time. [Among] upper middle-income families earning between $75,000 and $100,000 annually…. he's dropped from 51 percent of the vote with them to 44 percent approval."

-Remind Spud sometimes to esplain to you why the modern GOP with also increasingly being looked at with horror by younger women.
why? WTF do I care?

"Repealing "Obamacare" A) Will never happen and B) Would not help but hurt the economy."

LOL...ANOTHER fabulous DeadPud prediction.

"When you demonize it and call it what is is you get a different result."

ft

Repealing "Obamacare" A) Will never happen and B) Would not help but hurt the economy.

here is where we agree. I don't think they will either.

Obamacare will become the the new "roe v wade" as a wedge issue....IOW, they will pretend to want to get rid of it but it is too valuable as a tool to keep sheep on their respective side of the fence.

only for that reason though.....

as far as obamacare goes.....there are only a few provisions that HAVE to be changed otherwise it WILL get repealed.

Repealing "Obamacare" A) Will never happen

repeal no, but the actual changes to the obamacare will be so great that for all intended purposes it will be a repeal.

obamacare is horrible and won't stand but will be modified to actually reflect what people really want. obama's lazy get this through actions have killed him, and if the republicans actually put someone up with a tiny bit of common sense obama wouldn't stand a chance.

As I look and read about how lazy this democrat party and administration has been over the last 4 years I am working hard at not voting for them but the republicans are even worse.

That noted, most racists are Republicans.

#121 | Posted by dethspud

That's only because you believe it's an impossibility for black's to be racist.

Who's that dude with the hair, Cornell something?, that's always sayin' that shiat? That only the "white institutional oppressors" are capable of racism?

#129 | Posted by dethspud

what? you're frustrated I don't put on a skirt and wave pom poms like you?

get over it.

obama's lazy get this through actions have killed him, and if the republicans actually put someone up with a tiny bit of common sense obama wouldn't stand a chance.

Three things.

First, Obama is not lazy but the GOP *are* crazy.

Second, the GOP candidates this time out are w/o a scrap of common sense among them.

Third, What America needs to bring it up to par with the rest of the industrialized, civilized world is a public option and if HCA is gonna go anywhere in the next ten years then that's the only direction.

Be Well.

and if HCA is gonna go anywhere in the next ten years then that's the only direction.

you don't even realize that HCA took us further from single payer do you?

The affordable health care act...aka obamacare is what the congress and senate agreed too. Obama said many times its not prefect but its a start. Something had to be done,hospitals are hurting from the 35% of the uninsured who are not paying their medical bills.Even Newt said either buy health insurance or a bond to cover your expenses nothing is free. Over half of all small business don't offer any benefits to their employees. The basic "aka' obamacare lets people buy in to low cost insurance who don't have any insurance. It beats nothing..

The affordable health act..."bill" posted on the internet for anyone to read. I'd suggest you read it before complaining,

I really enjoy hosting our little foreign guests and seeing them make all these prognostications about the U.S. Here we have DeadPud from Canada telling us how to vote, who's gonna win elections (kinda fucked up big time on Weiner though,)and we have Tousled predicting the Iranians sweeping the U.S. Navy from the seas and dealing a horrible defeat on all the Western nations. It's kinda like watching that Cowboys and Aliens thing except they don't have any war horses in Canada or Iran. I bet they both had orgasms with that Avatar fantasy.

Do you know the founders said its unconstitutional to have a standing army! So why do we have one?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Obummer initiates armed action against Iran before the elections. That's probably the only chance he has to win in 2012.

this thread is both funny and nostaglic

I remember back in the day when the exact same comments and arguements were made....the difference being that libs here were saying the same shit about bush that we are about barry and vice versa,....

I remember back in the day when the exact same comments and arguements were made....the difference being that libs here were saying the same shit about bush that we are about barry and vice versa,....

#142 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2011-12-29 12:06 PM | Reply

Maybe that's one of the few promises the Obummer will keep----by being so much like Bush, he's bringing the country together.

"the only thing I believe is that they admitted to it ONLY to pander to those same voters."

Like I said....

"In your eyes, they are the biggest liars on the planet until they tell you something you already believe."

Whereas when they tell you something you don't want to believe, even the proof of history isn't enough.

Reference your denials about Scalia if needed. I have no doubt you'll deny it next time, even though Blackmun's memoirs spelled it out.

-Whereas when they tell you something you don't want to believe, even the proof of history isn't enough.

I already told you I agreed that strategy was used. why do you lie?

-Reference your denials about Scalia if needed

I don't know WTF you bring that up for but I never "denied" anything.

wow, you lie twice.

Maybe that's one of the few promises the Obummer will keep----by being so much like Bush, he's bringing the country together.

#143 | Posted by matsop

well the only redeeming factor barry has..>BESIDES HE"S A golfer that doesnt cheat....is his foreign policy of killing bad guys..AND as the WSJ commented today on...congress has now given barry powers on arresting people and such that libs SCREAMED about in the hands of 'W"..so they are alike in some things already..

"I don't know WTF you bring that up for but I never "denied" anything."

WTF are you talking about? You've always treated my claims as if they were made up of whole cloth. You even bashed the links I offered only days ago, until I gave one from USA Today detailing what Scalia was doing from Blackmun's bio.

"wow, you lie twice."

Go fuck yourself, or find where I actually called someone a racist.

-WTF are you talking about? You've always treated my claims as if they were made up of whole cloth.

It was and is hysterics over a non-issue. quit crying like a bitch like someone was gonna take away your right to an abortion.... Regardless of how serious Scalia was about this issue.

Go fuck yourself

you have issues. you really do.

I hope you don't have kids....do you? that would be sad if you did. not everyone is cut out for real adulthood.

"It was and is hysterics over a non-issue."

Because you want to pretend, as usual. Even when faced with irrefutable facts, you'll find some way to disbelieve the truth.

Good luck with getting all that sand out of your ears.

-Good luck with getting all that sand out of your ears.

a Q-tip works great.

how do you get it out of your vag? does your "bride" have to help?

"you don't even realize that HCA took us further from single payer do you?"
Nonsense, we are exactly the same distance away as before. In other words it is off the table with a Congress owned by corporations. Obama recognized facts like that while other folks demanded that he do the impossible. I'll take the possible any day.

Nonsense, we are exactly the same distance away as before

I think it pushed us further away. We just make the corporations who benefit from hca LARGER and more powerful.

interesting though...you claim it was so wonderful yet you admit that it has not advanced us anywhere closer to single payer.

danni

YOU WIN
...the best..or worst...rationalization of barry obama I believe I have read as of yet...

I think it pushed us further away. We just make the corporations who benefit from hca LARGER and more powerful.
#153 | Posted by eberly

Agreed. They are a bigger and even more intractable part of the healthcare system than before.

Obama recognized facts like that while other folks demanded that he do the impossible. I'll take the possible any day.

#152 | Posted by danni at 2011-12-29 12:42 PM | Reply

How could Obama recognize facts or what was possible or impossible when he didn't even know what the heck was in the bill?

ROMNEY 45% OBAMA 39%

Obama seems to have lost several points.

Once again:

ROMNEY 45% OBAMA 39%

"We just make the corporations who benefit from hca LARGER and more powerful."

That's what you fear? Others here think it will drive them out of business. That doesn't matter anyway, the point was that Single Payer was not getting passed in our Congress. If you think it could have been I have a bridge for sale...

-That's what you fear?

fear? why do leftists have to assign their own fragile emotions onto others?

I see it for what it is....a bill that further empowered health insurance companies and big pharma.

no, it wasn't going to pass in this congress, or the next or the next...and all the dems who shilled for this thing knew that including obama. Afterall, while they were telling cheerleaders what they wanted to hear at their local pep rally, they were also cashing huge checks from the insurance lobby to pass what they eventually did.

kind of like obama and the dems with wall street, huh?

GALLUP SWING: OBAMA BACK DOWN TO 41% APPROVE, 50% DIS...

Yeah. I knew that wouldn't last long. Everyone cheers up during Christmas time, then the bills come in January.

Well.... They called Mrs Obama like 300 times....

Well that was short lived.

so when will DRUDGE RETORT run the story that his numbers are right back down in the crapper? oh, wait. they won't. funny how that works.

I understand the whole report was bunk anyway, the number of people surveyed was skewed to 60% + democrats.

The LSM and dr left parties like it 2008 on any bit of positive bho news. Their dying for it....

The newest poll numbers are a complete farce! They didn't sample the right groups of people.

"That's cute.
I'm sure the next monthly crisis will bring it back down, since he's never had the leadership ability to increase the debt limit or extend the payroll tax for more than 2 months.

#6 | POSTED BY JOE"

Wait, are you saying that he is showing leadership? or, are you being sarcastic.

Wow! Anyone can go down to the liquor store and buy their drunk of an uncle another half gallon of vodka.

Extending unemployment and raising the debt ceiling is doing nothing but enabling addicts.

The longer people get to look at the asshats the GOP are putting up for 2012 the better Obama looks in direct comparison
#38 | Posted by dethspud

Interesting observation - one that I hear quite a bit; but consider this. If Obama were a good President and leader -- it would not matter who he runs against. He should be running on his record, not so much against anyone.

The Obama zombies here will point to many of his failures as successes and short comings as strengths; but the proof is the state of the union. The USA is not doing well, economically or politically. Yes yes, the obstructionist Congress ... what about the 66% of his Presidency where he controlled both houses? The liberal wet dreams of endless stimulus and needless gov intervention have put us into our present situation; economic stagnation.

Millions are out of work, and the MSM tells us things are getting better, recovery summer, Bachmann is an idiot -- all of this matters not. In 11 months the people of this great nation are going to assess the state of the country and render judgment. By all historical measurements, Obama is finished. This massive country can not turn on a dime -- recovery takes time and the current adminstration is still piling on measures that hamper recovery.

Romney will be the candidate, and he will win. I suspect he will be very weak and will not be the element of change desired; but he will not be Obama.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Obummer initiates armed action against Iran before the elections. That's probably the only chance he has to win in 2012.

#141 | Posted by matsop

yup that's the ONLY chance! The only way...((in yer little mind...do you get claustrophobia in there?)) A third party candidate would have absolutely no effect, of course.

A third party candidate would have absolutely no effect, of course.

see www.americanselect.org

#169 | Posted by donnerboy at 2011-12-30 01:02 PM | Reply

Very good, dinner; even you get one right once in awhile. Yes, if there's a conservative third party candidate, Obama will win. If it's Romney versus Obama, Obama is dead meat.

This thread has been up on the front page five times longer than Obama bump lasted.