There is all kinds of loopholes in the welfare system, that allow fraud and lifetime membership.

Who has not been in line at the grocery store and watched someone with a cart full of expensive cuts of meat and sea food that would be well past our own budget and then watch them pay with a EBT card.

the two women left about an hour and a half after they arrived at my register. The next man in line said that the two women reminded him of buying steel drums and cement. I said I was reminded why I vote Republican.

I call bullshit. More hysterical welfare queen "stories" from right wing loons. Of course the returds will eat fiction like this up as gospel.

I see this shit all the time at the grocery store. Women dressed to the 9's, designer handbag, nails done all nice, paying for everything with WIC. Then watching them drive a away in a late model Escalade or such.

#3 | Posted by 2008

So it cant be true, right? LOL....

Welfre needs to be reformed. But that's not why this article was written. Shitty people who are against helping the less fortunate in any form get off on stories like these because the think it justifies their selfish ways.

Shitty people who are against helping the less fortunate in any form get off on stories like these because the think it justifies their selfish ways.

Govt should not be used for this purpose. Charitable non public organizations is what this is for...CHARITY. The govt should not be in the business of charity. This fraud would not exist if it were privatized, but then again, there's not enough money for the mooachers in the private sector...

Shitty people who are against helping the less fortunate in any form get off on stories like these because the think it justifies their selfish ways.

"Selfish would be actually helping the less fortunate."

-buffalobob

Shitty people who are against helping the less fortunate in any form get off on stories like these because the think it justifies their selfish ways.

#6 | Posted by Sully at 2011-12-16 09:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ah yes, people who work hard every day to take of their families are now 'shitty' and selfish because they stand in line at Kroger and watch the Eating Class buy food with their taxes that the workers cannot afford.

How dare these selfish working people resent abuse of their tax money by the Eaters! How heartless and selfish to deny an Eater of lobster when the tax-payer is buying the cheap ground beef!

How totally uncompassionate and selfish when a tax-payer is buying popcorn and watching an Eater use the EBT card to buy Cheetoes and beer.

Who is playing the "class warfare" card now?

More bull shit "hate the poor" stories cheered on by the usual unchristian
rightwingers who never heard the words of the 'son of god'.

Merry Christmas folks, oops, make that happy holidays, the haters here are pretend Xtians who simply dont get the command feed the hungry.

Corporations cheat the nation out of billions but the class warriors love it. It is so much easier to hate the poor. That is really what Christmas is about, right? Find some poor schlub on welfare and ridicule them on the way to the office party. You pretend xtians are pathetic.

What's wrong with questioning someone who is apparently abusing the systme, OWS? Pretend the person who was abusing it is a rightwinger. Now I'll bet you feel differently, you knee-jerk jerk.

Yes, there are and have always been those that abuse benefits. But if this guy that's writing this sold beer, smokes or other banned items to people that paid for them with EBT then he's equally criminally culpable.

It was about 15-20 years ago when I first noticed folks using food stamps for food and then pulling out a big wad of cash to pay for their beer & booze and I've observed this on at least a monthly basis since. BTW I was on EBT for 1 and half years 1 year of which I had no income whatsoever and while I certainly needed it the abuse of others using EBT really causes me to question it's existence

Who is playing the "class warfare" card now?

a 20-year old former cashier from Wal-mart.

Have you worked at a cashier at Wal-mart? I haven't. I can only imagine what those folks see all the time.

and when someone recognizes that some man has been on welfare her entire life you can't be surprised that she would be amazed by that.

#3 | Posted by 2008
So it cant be true, right? LOL....

#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2011-12-16 09:18 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Prove it.

When I lived in Boulder, I qualified for Food Stamps. I started the process, but couldn't bring myself to complete it. My rent was 60% of my monthly income, so I did meet Colorado's requirements. I just did with less. I ate twice a day instead of 3 times and did without soda, beer, etc most of the month. I saved and those things like a Diet Coke in a glass bottle became relished rewards.

Prove it.

#15 | Posted by 2008

YOU are the one alleging the story is false. On what do you base that statement? (extreme viral partisanship doesn't count)

Shitty people who are against helping the less fortunate in any form get off on stories like these because the think it justifies their selfish ways.

The fact that some people will fap to this story does not mean the author is wrong for bringing this sort of thing to light. If we pretend the fraud doesn't exist there will never be any effort to combat it.

The bigger picture is how the govt spends our money. Then they have the gall to say they want more of our money, and dumbass people use words like selfish to those that complain. What sane person would want to give the stupid people that run our govt any more money when they could do so much more with what they have. They will never learn if we just let them have more.

This is such absolute bullshit - but it sure feeds the confirmation bias of the rightwing ding-a-lings.

This is such absolute bullshit - but it sure feeds the confirmation bias of the rightwing ding-a-lings.

#20 | Posted by YAV
And your proof that this is BS?

"I can only imagine what those folks see all the time."

I see this shit all the time at the grocery store. Women dressed to the 9's, designer handbag, nails done all nice, paying for everything with WIC. Then watching them drive a away in a late model Escalade or such.
#4 | Posted by glasshouse

....what horseshit.....

And your proof that this is BS?

Proof that any of it is true? The person making the allegation has the responsibility of proof. We know how much "truth" there is in this right-wing meme. Nearly none. It's repeated over and over in one form or another.

#24 | Posted by YAV
And you did nto say a damn thing. People on this site have seen it, this person is telling the story, and all you got is BS? Good try, come back with something at least.

The person making the allegation has the responsibility of proof.

I can't vouch for that individual's story, but I have seen similiar things myself. You want proof? Sorry, I don't carry a camera or documentary crew with me when I shop. So if you want to call me (and others) a liar as your best response to your bullshit and unsubstantiated knee-jerk response, go for it yav.

It doesn't change the fact these abuses happen, though.

There's no need to call you a liar, Goatman.

"Govt should not be used for this purpose."

Most governments and most people feel that preventing people from starving is a worthwhile national interest.

"Ah yes, people who work hard every day to take of their families are now 'shitty' and selfish because they stand in line at Kroger and watch the Eating Class buy food with their taxes that the workers cannot afford."

LOL. Yes, the pooor can afford things that working people can't. In your reality at least...

"How dare these selfish working people resent abuse of their tax money by the Eaters! How heartless and selfish to deny an Eater of lobster when the tax-payer is buying the cheap ground beef!"

Lobster? LOL. You little rich poor person jerk off fantasy is getting more delusional by the second.

"How totally uncompassionate and selfish when a tax-payer is buying popcorn and watching an Eater use the EBT card to buy Cheetoes and beer."

We get it. You resent the poor for having even having Cheetos. They should have nothing. But you're a good guy.

"The fact that some people will fap to this story does not mean the author is wrong for bringing this sort of thing to light. If we pretend the fraud doesn't exist there will never be any effort to combat it."

I've had to work with people on Medicaid and they are annoying and ridiculous and abuse the system. I know that that government assistance is absused.

But these stories are like porn for people like Boaz and Vern, who jump at any chance to demonize the less fortunate.

Meanwhile, they never complain about corporate welfare and bailouts for the rich, which are much more costly. These jagovs are useful idiots who will chase down the poor over pennies while cheering on the theft of billions. It annoys me. If you focus on the poor as our biggest problem its because you are a shitty person. That's all there is to it.

Of course their is abuse and outright fraud but there are also millions of Americans who are simply poor. I see one lady in the Winn Dixie where I shop who comes in with her four kids, she's in a wheel chair but her kids are the most well behaved you've ever seen. They are all dressed in clean clothes and care for their mom so lovingly that it tears me up every time I see them. I sure as hell wouldn't want to see that family lose their food stamps.
The government should do much more to root out the abuse and the fraud but that would require hiring government workers to do it. Probably the best thing would be to find some of the worst offenders and offer them jobs catching the abusers, they already know all the scams.

Most governments and most people feel that preventing people from starving is a worthwhile national interest.

Goddamit, what dont you liberals understand? Sure, it's in the national interest, BUT, it should come from someone's heart to donate to those less fortunate. It's shouldnt come from our tax dollars that go to run the govt of the the people. Government IS NOT A CHARITY. The problem becomes that the poor are ALWAYS going to need some type of assistance, and that assistance continues to get larger and larger eventually taking up more and more of the people's money. NO, THIS IS WRONG. Charities should bear the entire burden of the poor, not a govt. Period. But again, there's not enough of charity, so you liberals go to the unending pot of tax dollars to fund a charity. Plus, I dont you dont believe me, but being poor is a consequence of an adult not doing proper life planning. If being poor were looked at as a concequence and not a lifestyle, maybe we wouldnt have so many poor.

And BTW,

The only social program worth a shit is WIC. THAT program has merit...

"Goddamit, what dont you liberals understand?"

I'm not a liberal, shitbird. I'm just not a selfish asshole.

"The problem becomes that the poor are ALWAYS going to need some type of assistance, and that assistance continues to get larger and larger eventually taking up more and more of the people's money."

Well, not if you actually enact policies that benefit the majority of Americans instead of the rich assholes who pay our politicians to sell this country out.

You're chasing pennies and picking on people who can't fight back while cheering on people who steal billions. You're not saying all this shit because you really care about the "people's money". If you did, you'd be up in arms about Wall St. bailouts, the Iraq War, defense spending and other forms of corporate welfare. You're saying this shit because you get off on going after the easy targets.

BUT, it should come from someone's heart to donate to those less fortunate.

Already been there. It didn't work. It never has worked. People starved and died.

Do you think these government programs came into being because of dire need was being met? The government didn't just go in and create competition against already wildly successful and adequate private sector programs. Those private programs are still around - and though helpful, couldn't possibly meet the needs. They never have. No matter how little we pay in taxes.

No, the liberals are of course right. There are no people on food stamps who buy booze or cigarettes. There's nobody on housing assistance with a flat-screen TV.

Nobody. This is a BS story. We need to keep taxing people like 726 and Darth and Yav. A lot more, in fact. There are needy people out there, and it's unChristian of them to keep more, while so many others have less.

Well, not if you actually enact policies that benefit the majority of Americans

At the expense of a few? What makes the others so special? What are the few going to get? That fuzzy feeling inside?

"At the expense of a few? What makes the others so special? What are the few going to get? That fuzzy feeling inside?"

Yes, the government is charged with doing what is best for most people. If that comes at the expense of a few who have made their interests incompatible with what is good for the majority of Americans, so be it.

Has nothing to do with the warm and fuzzies. The idea that this country should be run to benefit a small percentage of people is assinine, immoral and unAmerican. If this is what you want, go live in the third world.

"No, the liberals are of course right. There are no people on food stamps who buy booze or cigarettes. There's nobody on housing assistance with a flat-screen TV."

Chasing after pennies while cheering on the theft of billions.

And you think it makes you smart! LOL.

Probably gracieamazed and baysideinpc.

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2011-12-16 10:27 AM

one of my co-workers just came back from lunch and had to go to Walmart and was commenting on the experience.

I hope you don't mind.....I forwarded those links.

made her day.

Yes, the government is charged with doing what is best for most people.

You are incorrect. The government is only responsible for setting the conditions so people can take care of themselves.

The idea that this country should be run to benefit a small percentage of people is assinine, immoral and unAmerican.

This country isnt even geared toward the rich. They have just taken advantage of a system that rewards hard work. I really dont give a fuck about people who cannot see that and dont take advantage of it themselves.

If this is what you want, go live in the third world.

I dont have to. My attitude and work ethic is what made this country great. The people you are protecting are what makes third world shitholes what they are..And it's funny, poor people need people like me, without me, you are just looking for someone else to re-distribute wealth from..

#39 dude how wrong can you be? Rir has never been for bailouts and is short financials.

#41 boaz you're starting to sound so ridiculous I'm beginning to think you're being satirical. Sadly though, I'm pretty sure you're serious.

Yes, the government is charged with doing what is best for most people. If that comes at the expense of a few who have made their interests incompatible with what is good for the majority of Americans, so be it.
Has nothing to do with the warm and fuzzies. The idea that this country should be run to benefit a small percentage of people is assinine, immoral and unAmerican. If this is what you want, go live in the third world.
#38 | Posted by Sully
What is best for most people is freedom, free to win, free to loose, and free to reap the reward good or bad. Freedom is always best.

What is best for most people is freedom, free to win, free to loose, and free to reap the reward good or bad. Freedom is always best.

So what becomes of the losers?

Learn from their mistakes, and work to do better. How else will they grow as a human being?

"This country isnt even geared toward the rich. They have just taken advantage of a system that rewards hard work. I really dont give a fuck about people who cannot see that and dont take advantage of it themselves."

LOL! What a sucker. Anyone with the least bit of familiarity with how or courts or electoral process works would have to acknowledge that the game is rigged in favor of the rich. And once you own those two, you own everything. This isn't even debatable, you rube.

"I dont have to. My attitude and work ethic is what made this country great."

You have the attitude of a suckup. If everyone had your attitude, we'd still be colonies paying tribute to a king.

"The people you are protecting are what makes third world shitholes what they are.."

No, selfish short sighted leadership makes third world countries the shitholes that they are.

"And it's funny, poor people need people like me, without me, you are just looking for someone else to re-distribute wealth from.."

Aren't you a career military guy (or were until recently)? To the extent that you have any wealth, it was provided by the taxpayer, not the other way around.

This country isnt even geared toward the rich. They have just taken advantage of a system that rewards hard work.

No, Boaz. The system (e.g. our government) serves the interests of wealth, not hard work.

In the aftermath of Citizens United, it's fair to say the system is up for auction, and those with the most money win.

Learn from their mistakes, and work to do better. How else will they grow as a human being?

So let's say I worked for Enron or WorldCom or Arthur Andersen or Lehman Bros, then one day I was unemployed through no fault of my own.

What was I supposed to learn from that, exactly? Explain how losing my job due to somebody else's fraud help me grow as a human being.

Chasing after pennies while cheering on the theft of billions.

And you think it makes you smart! LOL.

#39 | Posted by Sully

Didn't know I was doing that. Quite a strawman. You should try being one of Zero's speechwriters.

"What is best for most people is freedom, free to win, free to loose, and free to reap the reward good or bad. Freedom is always best."

If everyone had absolute freedom then the easiest way to make money would be to steal it. Anarchy doesn't work. Society has to have rules. The rules should not be rigged to favor people who are already ahead of the game.

"Didn't know I was doing that. Quite a strawman."

Only if we pretend that nobody is familiar with your posting history.

#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The other day, I watched Wall Street for the first time in a long time. Some of the dialogue in the final 30 minutes is hauntingly accurate in terms of who is really in charge of the system and who is really capable of capitalizing off the free market. Even in 1987, Oliver Stone was criticizing the system's disproportionate habit of benefitting the top 1% - a figure used in the actual dialogue between Gordon Gecco and Bud Fox. It sent chills up my spine. We should have known something like the recession was inevitable in the past and current Wall Street climate of greed.

It sent chills up my spine.

You're easily thrilled.
Perhaps you should get laid from time to time.

Only if we pretend that nobody is familiar with your posting history.

#52 | Posted by Sully

Oh.

We need to keep taxing people like 726 and Darth and Yav.

726 and Darth and Yav are probably the people described in the article.
Don't tax them, just kick their ass off of welfare and make them pull their own fucking weight.

Only if we pretend that nobody is familiar with your posting history.

#52 | Posted by Sully

Oh.

#55 | Posted by rightisright

Great retort, Rube. LOL.

When will you be giving up your welfare, dr dude?

Wow, baseless stupid assumptions atre fun!

Come on null, everybody here knows rir has stood 110% against bailouts. Sully is way off base in that regard. As he wisely said Sully is using strawmen, just like the cheap suit in the whitehouse.

And for one of only a very few times, I agree with danni. Hiring welfare cheats to catch others is a fantastic idea.

Come on null, everybody here knows rir has stood 110% against bailouts. Sully is way off base in that regard. As he wisely said Sully is using strawmen, just like the cheap suit in the whitehouse.

Dull has long proven himself one of those imaginationless binary people. It's either all left or all right to him. If you think right on some issues, he assumes you think right on all of them. Shades of gray are beyond his compreshension. He pulled a similar thing on me just a few days ago. All one can do is smile and pat his pointed little head and move on.

#61 | Posted by goatman

It's kind of amusing to have your own personal troll that follows you around from thread to thread. I got the power!

We need to keep taxing people like 726 and Darth and Yav.

I was perfectly happy with the old Reagan tax rates - even after his 8 increases. I didn't ask for a tax reduction. It's not my fault the GOP has reduced my effective tax rate to 16.5 to 17 percent the past 8 years. Just don't ask me to pay more unless everyone that's in my bracket or higher gets the same treatment.

It's kind of amusing to have your own personal troll that follows you around from thread to thread.

Just curious. HOw many times did you bring my name up when I was in jail? I don't know without looking, but I'll bet you did several times.

Am I right? I'll bet i am.

LOL

Spare me the troll BS, stalker.

PS, dull. Sorry I got you all butt hurt by stating the truth about you. Don't like it? Change your ways.

It's funny that self righteous cashiers and shoppers never notice the welfare mother with a cart stocked with generic mac and cheese, hamburger and hotdogs, and other cheap products just trying to make sure she can buy enough food to keep her family fed for the month. The amount of foodstamps a family receives is based on income, living expenses, and number in family. Even if they get full benefits, it is around $150 for the first person and $100 for each additional person. So, a family of 4 would get $450 a month. That may sound like alot, but start adding it up in your head. How many of you spend that much or more on coffee or beer a month? you might be surprised. Sure, there are abuses, but there are way more people struggling to make it on the small amount of benefits they can get.

#66 | Posted by missesmerelda
Just think how much more people that need it could get, if they actually had enough sense to clean up the system a bit. The main problem is, they have no incentive too, they keep the poor down, and promise them we will get you more, and only have to take it from the evil hard working people. And dumass people just nod right along like the sheep they are.

#66 | Posted by missesmerelda

For the person or family who needs it. I support their right to the help and I will try to do more. I'm personally involved in the food pantry program so I have a idea of how many people really need help.

The issue is the student who is getting money from home and using EBT to pump up their food budget. It is the person who has gotten a card they are not qualified for but use the system because they can. The end result is that people who abuse the system damage the people who need the system.

During the 2010 and 2011 summers, I was a cashier at Wal-Mart #1788 in Scarborough, Maine. I spent hours upon hours toiling away at a register, scanning, bagging, and dealing with questionable clientele.

Posted by vernon at 05:42 AM | 68 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry

'questionable clientele'?

In Maine, that means 'black'.

You would think that someone that worked at Walmart would say Walmart and not Wal-Mart. Hmmm...

"I call bullshit. More hysterical welfare queen "stories" from right wing loons. Of course the returds will eat fiction like this up as gospel."
#3 | Posted by 2008

In Maine, that means 'black'.

To a liberal, In Maine, that means 'black'.
FTFY.

#71 | Posted by KBM

You need to put warning lables on links like that. "Warning, may make your head explode".

90,

"There is all kinds of loopholes in the welfare system, that allow fraud and lifetime membership."

Just like there are all kinds of loopholes in the tax code that allow a lifetime of tax returns that don't accurately represent the tax payer's income and tax liability.

Funny how it is wrong to take advantage of loopholes in the welfare system, but perfectly ethical to take advantage of loopholes in the tax code. Everyone feels justified and believes they are special and deserve it.

I would be curious to know the total dollar value of each.

This is one of the reasons we need a limited Federal government. The responsibility of the poor should be driven down to the states and local government. Then in concert with local charities they can more adeptly control the fraud. They'll be forced to since they have to balance their budgets. You cannot control fraud in any arena with a bloated Federal government. They're too far away from the point of service.

#69 | POSTED BY COMMONSENSE AT 2011-12-16 06:31 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I didn't think Maine allowed those types in.

I guess if you are going to make up a work of fiction, might as well create the characters that your audience despises in the first place.

Yes, there are and have always been those that abuse benefits. But if this guy that's writing this sold beer, smokes or other banned items to people that paid for them with EBT then he's equally criminally culpable.

#12 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2011-12-16 10:04 AM | Reply |

Well, he is actually a she and even has a photo of herself. Maybe you should actually read what SHE has to say. Eh?

This is such absolute bullshit - but it sure feeds the confirmation bias of the rightwing ding-a-lings.

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2011-12-16 10:22 AM |

Really? Come to where I live and I'll take you to the grocery store for an afternoon. EBT'rs aren't early risers. In any event each time you witness the bullshit actully ocurring you owe me 10k. I'd make an easy 200 grand off you before 3 in the afternoon.

"Really? Come to where I live and I'll take you to the grocery store for an afternoon. EBT'rs aren't early risers. In any event each time you witness the bullshit actully ocurring you owe me 10k. I'd make an easy 200 grand off you before 3 in the afternoon."

No, thanks! It smells like shit and full of poor right wing ignorant losers on food stamps.

Besides Walmart needs the business. Cut welfare = fired grocery store workers.

BTW
"actully" = actually