It only took 10 years longer and cost 1 trillion more then promised.

Someone should put on a flight suit and land on an aircraft carrier or something. I hope George W. Bush never has a good night's sleep for the rest of his life. If he wants to try to fall asleep perhaps he could count dead American soldiers til he drifts off. Fuck him, fuck Cheney, I wish them both short and unhappy lives. Both should be in jail.

Someone should put on a flight suit and land on an aircraft carrier or something. I hope George W. Bush never has a good night's sleep for the rest of his life. If he wants to try to fall asleep perhaps he could count dead American soldiers til he drifts off. Fuck him, fuck Cheney, I wish them both short and unhappy lives. Both should be in jail.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2011-12-15 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

True, and yet your point is increasingly minimized the more you support Obama in the face of his aggressive moves to take away the freedoms of American Citizens.

The Bush Doctrine!

Success!

And Zero is just the delivery boy

Hooray!

'Bout Bloody Time flag.

Huzzah.

That noted, a billion dollar embassy in Baghdad and 17 thousand America paid mercenar... er "contractors" will remain.

So not quite out of the fire yet.

Be Well.

So what other war secretly began today?

The pull-outy is right on the schedule BUSH had in place when little o took over.

That noted, a billion dollar embassy in Baghdad and 17 thousand America paid mercenar... er "contractors" will remain.

So not quite out of the fire yet.

#6 | Posted by dethspud at 2011-12-15 10:22 AM

The Bush Doctrine!

Success!

And Zero is just the delivery boy

#4 | Posted by vermin at 2011-12-15 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag: Always on the wrong side of history.

Yes, God Bless President Obama who "delivered" us from evil.

There's an absurd amount of Bush voting butt hurt in this thread.

Yes, the pull-out was according to his timeline, but that doesn't somehow absolve him of the wrong in starting the war in the first place.

It only took 10 years longer and cost 1 trillion more then promised.

#1 | POSTED BY SPECIES8472

10 years longer than 8 years, 8 months and 25 days? If I understand your math, we should have ended the war in Iraq over a year before it started....

The Iraq War is Over!

It should never have been started.

But then all those Iraq war no bid, cost plus reconstruction contracts handed out like candy to the Bush Administration's circle of buddies sure made a lot of Republican-friendly donors extremely wealthy men.

And wasn't that the real purpose of this war in the first place?

We just surrendered, yea! Another country handed over to the Muslum Brotherhood. Progressive??? Not

0 has once again proven he is the worst POTUS in history

"I would remove our combat troops from Iraq in 16 months,"

Barry, June of '08

Lied his ass off yet again...

Almost five years to the day Obama wrote the surrender legislation. Four years after Reid went on the Senate floor and tried to raise the white flag. Seven years since Hillary decided to change her tune and lie about being fooled into approving the invasion.

Three cowards and traitors to the country, and one is Pres and the other two in line to be pres. Knowing the gutless pussies here are proud those three were rewarded for staining the american military for years to come, it is laughable they open their yaps today with no remorse.

This is good news;

Now is the time to reflect all we've accomplished.

Well, we....uh....oh and there was.....uh....

Fuck, we didn't accomplish a Damn thing except get 4500 american young men and women killed and 30000 injured. But we did kill Saddam. It would have been nice if we had a reason to kill saddam, but who's splitting hairs?

Oh, I know, why captured those oil fields. Yep, that's what we accomplished. Exxon and Royal Dutch thank you very much.

I just had a wonderful idea. Let's add a few drops of american soldiers blood in each gallon of gas. Then when chinese motorists fill up their tanks, they will have a little piece of each dead american hat was wasted so they too could have cheap fuel.

Is it time to dance in the streets and burn their flags, shoot our guns in the air and shout "USA! USA! USA!" yet?

"Well, we....uh....oh and there was.....uh...."

The word you're looking for is bankrupt.

"But then all those Iraq war no bid, cost plus reconstruction contracts handed out like candy to the Bush Administration's circle of buddies sure made a lot of Republican-friendly donors extremely wealthy men."

Yeah, instead we should have given the contracts to countries who not only downplayed their secret dealings with Saddam defying UN sanctions, but actually lied about helping remove them.

Amazing how many fools ignore reality and pretend every leading politician, pundit and so called expert didn't call for the removal of Saddam without the guts to actually do something. Including the UN.

Anybody really think it's over? The Iranians and the Muslim Brotherhood were just waiting for this moment. A few years from now they will control all of north Africa, Pakistan and most middle eastern nations.

Some facts for all of the partisans in this thread:

1. Bush is a traitor for taking us to a war we should not have started
2. Obama followed Bush's withdrawal timeline
3. Obama sought an extended period of immunity so we could stay longer and failed to get it
4. Obama is sending 16000 mercenaries over there to continue our presence
5. Obama's actions in the matter, while unimpressive in 2., downright shitty in 3., and hilariously hypocritical in 4., pale in comparison to the treason in 1.

The partisan chest beating is pathetic. Just be glad the troops are home for the holdidays.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

By Barrack Obama

Yes, God Bless President Obama who "delivered" us from evil.

#10 | Posted by FVZ at 2011-12-15 10:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

God Bless the phone company, so your Messiah could call Bush in Dallas and double check what Bush wrote in Zero's Day Planner.

LoD, you mean "Bush and everyone who voted for the war- and continuing funding- are traitors" That's the truly non-partisan fact.

Also, let's just be glad that now we can invade Pakistan and Iran!

LoD, you mean "Bush and everyone who voted for the war- and continuing funding- are traitors" That's the truly non-partisan fact.

#25 | Posted by adammm at 2011-12-15 10:43 AM

Bush was the C-in-C. He called the shots.

A few years from now they will control all of north Africa, Pakistan and most middle eastern nations.

#21 | Posted by schwit

so? what's it to us? we don't live in any of those shit-holes and we are not bearded cavemen. so, who gives a rat's ass?

Without a declaration, and before Obama ruined it with Libya, he was subject to war powers act- and congress gave him his authorization for the use of force. THEY called the shots.

"It would have been nice if we had a reason to kill saddam, but who's splitting hairs?"

Who knows, he may have been leading Obama to strike Libya through the Arab League if he was still in power.

Of course we would be 13 years in with no inspectors, or any way to is know wtf he doing. But hey, it took 30 years for another country with no US intel like Iran to obtain nukes so we probably had time.

Amazing how many fools ignore reality and pretend every leading politician, pundit and so called expert didn't call for the removal of Saddam without the guts to actually do something. Including the UN.

#20 | Posted by crispee_oc

Amazing how many fools weren't paying attention when President Obama showed them how it could be done properly. With no American lives lost and for about $999 billion dollars cheaper. Hell, we may even get a manufacturers rebate.

And he did it about 8 years quicker.

And I would bet ($10,000?) that the majority of the Libyan people consider America a true friend and ally. How do the Iraqi's feel about us?

"Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and President Jalal Talabani were invited to the ceremony but did not attend."

yea ...What an excellent deal we got there.

Thank God that particular Bush Error is over.

"The Bush Doctrine!

Success!

And Zero is just the delivery boy
#4 | Posted by vernon at 2011-12-15 10:17 AM"

Personally, I've always appreciated more the one who actually delivers rather than the one who places the order.

I suspect most folks feel the same way, even if it were just a pizza.

so? what's it to us? we don't live in any of those shit-holes and we are not bearded cavemen. so, who gives a rat's ass?

As long as we depend on them for oil, (and they thereby able to hold the US hostage) we give a rat's ass. After they run out of oil, you are correct. There would be no reason to care at all. Let them ululate themselves to death.

"Bush is a traitor for taking us to a war we should not have started."

Actually we were still at war and under the cease fire agreement. Which of course was being violated on a daily basis as well as UN sanctions. But hey, let's not blame Saddam for allowing inspectors back, let's blame Bush for going to the fucking UN and putting some teeth behind sanctions. Then having the gaul to actually follow up and remove the POS. Which of course was what many from all sides of the political spectrum had called for, and even better, a policy of the previous administartion.

Anybody really think it's over? The Iranians and the Muslim Brotherhood were just waiting for this moment. A few years from now they will control all of north Africa, Pakistan and most middle eastern nations.

You sound like the Vietnam era politicians using Domino Theory to justify that foolish and tragic war. The Middle East is not going to unify under any one country or movement. Iran can barely keep a lid on its own people, much less take over other countries.

"Amazing how many fools weren't paying attention when President Obama showed them how it could be done properly."

Good one retard. People should have been paying attention back in 2003 based on a 2011 event. HTF are you even allowed outside by yourself? HTF could you possibly reproduce? Is it any wonder you are a dem and look up to Sheila Jackson-Lee?

Bush didn't start the Iraq War. Saddam Hussein did, when he sent his troops into Kuwait.

For the whole of the Clinton presidency, we were using no-fly zones, bombings, blockades. Big show on TV called 60 Minutes that pinned Albright down on those points, with hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians dying. GoreKerryLiebermanClintonClint
on--they all lined up to tell us how important it was that we deny Saddam his nuclear weapons program. Bombed them every day, for years.

But liberals were A-OK with all that. Clinton could do no wrong. Ever. Next time, don't send in troops. Just bomb the holy living hell out of them, and the libbies will applaud and send in more money. Future presidents, take note.

The way this works is this: those who blindly and stupidly supported this unpaid for and unnecessary war will take another decade before they can finally admit the truth about it but when they do they will claim they opposed it all along. Same thing happened after Vietnam, very few of the majority who called us opponents every name in the book ever admitted how wrong they were.

Anybody really think it's over? The Iranians and the Muslim Brotherhood were just waiting for this moment. A few years from now they will control all of north Africa, Pakistan and most middle eastern nations.

#21 | Posted by schwit

Yes, and this is all by design. 0bam is either stupid, incomptent, evil, or all of the above. Either way history will show he was the worst POTUS in history.

Who won the Iraq war?

China.

No country, arguably, has benefited as much in the long run from the quagmire in Iraq as China. In the period of a half decade, China has gone from rising regional power eager for American joint ventures and U.S. backing for its entry into the World Trade Organization into a nascent superpower whose influence, financial and otherwise, now looms large. In the wider political sense, China now markets itself aggressively as a genuine alternative model to the free-market, liberal- democratic one that supposedly won the Cold War. Its mix of see- no-evil diplomacy and checkbook capitalism wins applause from countries like Russia, Venezuela, Serbia and many Muslim nations that also embrace aspects of capitalism but reject the messy political freedoms that the West advocates.

See also: Iran

Yes, the pull-out was according to his timeline, but that doesn't somehow absolve him of the wrong in starting the war in the first place.

#11 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE AT 2011-12-15 10:27 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Well you can't carry the truth and carry W's water at the same time.

Bush didn't start the Iraq War. Saddam Hussein did, when he sent his troops into Kuwait.

Holy christ you are stupid.

Don't forget Rumsfeld, Danni. I can remember when reporter observed that the costs of the war would be 500 billion or more and he made quite an angry denial that the cost would be anywhere near that amount.

As we now know it cost twice that amount.

President Obama! THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER!!

Another Campaign promise fulfilled.

#37 | Posted by danni

Hey d, how about your 0bama opening up Guantanamo for US citizens now, where they can be held indefinately? What were you saying about blind and stupid support?

iraq war is over.. now its time to bring the battlefield home!

long live domestic internments!

sounds like congress overwhelmingly was bipartisan about it...

the whole government.. republicans and democrats alike are screwing us..

i'll let you right wingers blame obama.
i'll let you left wingers blame bush..

in the mean time we're all screwed!!!

woohoo..

Hey d, how about your 0bama opening up Guantanamo for US citizens now, where they can be held indefinately

You have to ask? If it's Obama's decision, it's a good one and she loves it. Danni is as blind as a sheeple can be.

Holy christ you are stupid.

#41 | Posted by 726

Holy piss muhammad you are a fool.

"You sound like the Vietnam era politicians using Domino Theory to justify that foolish and tragic war."

Another history buff... As though Cambodia wasn't even on the map.

HTF can you ignore history and call this tragic less than a decade into the conflict? I know you have never studied one battle in WW-II with Japan or against the Axis forces, or of course Korea. Take a gander at real losses and casualties. Of course had you and many gutless libs been around during those times, you would be the same cowards as you are today, and would have blamed america...

-see- no-evil diplomacy and checkbook capitalism wins applause from countries like Russia, Venezuela, Serbia and many Muslim nations that also embrace aspects of capitalism but reject the messy political freedoms that the West advocates.

The only difference in the Bush years being the "messy political freedom" stuff.

Recently we have stood up to some dictators and checkbook capitalism is, one supposes, preferable to gunboat (or missile) capitalism/diplomacy.

The partisan chest beating is pathetic. Just be glad the troops are home for the holdidays.

The only thing bipartisan about this war is using the troops as a political football, and indignantly accusing the other side of using the troops as a political football.

Remember "troops as political football" of '06? What good times those were!

"The Iraq War is Over!"

Chalk up another lost war to the pussy democrats.

Still waiting for little O to stop lying and fulfill his cmpaign promise to "bring the troops home". Most of the troops that have left Iraq are either right across the boarder in Kuwait or have been sent to Afganistan. Notice to lib Obama dick suckers: neither place is home. Reserves and Guard are still being deployed multiple times and have lost jobs. Jobs that will probably not be available when then finally do actually get home.

There have been over 1,700 US killed in Afganistan under Obama, twice the number killed in the 7 Bush years.

Obama has lied form day one and you can't get around that.

#48 | Posted by crispee_oc

You are going to confuse another lib/commie/occutard with the facts. Easier and more affective to just tell them to stick it.

President Obama! THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER!!

Unbelievable. Jefferson, Lincoln, Washington, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and many more are rolling in their graves.

There was never, ever, any doubt of your stupidity, monstman, but why do you insist on punctuating that fact and waving your flag of stupidity so proudly?

Now all that is left to do is pay the bill and prosecute the scumbags who lied us into that mess.

President Obama! THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER!!

I literally laughed out loud at this. You're actually serious, aren't you?

Should we give our troops a parade?

Is it time to dance in the streets and burn their flags, shoot our guns in the air and shout "USA! USA! USA!" yet?

Not so fast pussy's. First we need to spit on our returning troups and spend the next 20 years treating them like shit.

Then we can build a wall with a bunch of names on it and maybe a quilt or two. But no parades. No chanting. Have I made myself clear?

I ask again

Should we have a parade for our returning troops?

Would be an odd celebration given this war that is ending was an illegal war of agression.

"Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta marked the end of the U.S. war in Iraq at a highly symbolic ceremony Thursday."

Symbolic is right.

#59 | Posted by truthhurts

You and the occutards would just spit on them again calling them baby-killers, so what's the point?

You are not laughing as loud as I am when I read you post how he is the worst president.

There are MANY who qualify for that starting with that dumbass from Texas that proceeded Obama!

Now all that is left to do is pay the bill and prosecute the scumbags who lied us into that mess.

#56 | Posted by Sully

Paying the war bill, which along with Bush tax cuts which were also for reelection efforts, will have to get done.... another plus for China.... and those costs alone now comprise over 1/2 of the public debt for the next ten years.

Prosecuting the scumbags who lied us into that mess is different story, as they seem to have retired or revised their history.

"President Obama! THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER!!"

I gave that one an offensive flag because it almost brought up my breakfast. Damn fine troll bait though.

Repubs are GREAT at re writing history. Starting with Nixon.

He got us out of Vietnam you know HA HA HA HA HA HAH HAH! YA, RIGHT...

They leave out the part where he ESCALATED the war effort BEFORE KissMyAssinger surrendered to N Vietnam and China.

There are MANY who qualify for that starting with that dumbass from Texas that proceeded Obama!

#62 | Posted by Monstman

Actually, starting with that pervert that walked the hells of power with his pants around his knees, and putting in place policies that caused the housing and tech bubbles.

Not so fast pussy's. First we need to spit on our returning troups and spend the next 20 years treating them like shit.

Then we can build a wall with a bunch of names on it and maybe a quilt or two. But no parades. No chanting. Have I made myself clear?

#58 | Posted by Tedly

strawman alert

the question is should we honor the soldiers for a war such as iraq?

I have heard very little criticism of the soldiers regarding their actions in Iraq, abu graib type incidents aside.

What I am talking about is the war itself and having a parade which seems to me would both further validate and deny the horrors inflicted by that war.

Seems to me Americans in general do not feel great about iraq, even those who vociferously defend Iraq, there does not appear to be the same sincere belief in the cause of Iraq. The cheers from the right seem angry hatefilled partisan rants instead of honest sincere support for hte Iraqi cause-ie. combining derisions against muslims in fallujah doesnt seem to jibe with honoring our war there.

"You and the occutards would just spit on them again calling them baby-killers, so what's the point?"

You voted to re-elect the scum that lied in order to send them to go get shot at and have to live in that miserable stinkhole unnecessarily.

Spitting on them would be a step up from the level of contempt you've shown for them.

Bush didn't start the Iraq War. Saddam Hussein did, when he sent his troops into Kuwait.

So we've been at war in Iraq for 20 years? Give me a break! The Gulf War was over in 1991. The no-fly zone and sanctions that followed it were not a war.

Obama is a smart enough President to clean up the messes left behind by the GOP.

OBAMA ended the IRAQ war!

OBAMA GOT BIN LADEN!!

And Ya'all tighty righties cannot stomach that fact that is stuck in your craw!

SUCK IT RIGHTIES

#59 | Posted by truthhurts

You and the occutards would just spit on them again calling them baby-killers, so what's the point?

#61 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY at

you want that to be true dont you? You REALLY REALLY want that to be true.

You are a sad hatefilled little man.

You are not laughing as loud as I am when I read you post how he is the worst president.

It's a well known fact that stupid people are easily amused, monstman. I'm glad you are laughing so loudly.

Still waiting for little O to stop lying and fulfill his cmpaign promise to "bring the troops home".

Obama said during the presidential campaign he'd end the war in Iraq to focus on finishing the war in Afghanistan and pursuing Al Qaeda. He never promised to end both wars. Just Iraq.

Should we give our troops a parade?

Naw, we should wait for them to die and then dump'em in the landfill.

~George 'Dumya' Bush~

The Iraq war was an illegal war of agression. I dont believe there should be any celebrating going on.

You are a sad hatefilled little man.

#71 | Posted by truthhurts

You are projecting again occutard

There are MANY who qualify for that starting with that dumbass from Texas that proceeded Obama!

Yes, you are right. Bush was one of the worst. But I have a feeling you wouldn't be saying that except for the fact it's yet another talking point you mindlessly and obediently bleat because your DNC masters tell you to. I've yet to see you do anything on this blog but repeat lib talking points, monstman.

Now run along. Your masters have more koolaid for you.

Someone should put on a flight suit and land on an aircraft carrier or something. I hope George W. Bush never has a good night's sleep for the rest of his life. If he wants to try to fall asleep perhaps he could count dead American soldiers til he drifts off. Fuck him, fuck Cheney, I wish them both short and unhappy lives. Both should be in jail.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2011-12-15 10

mass graves
killing own people
rape and torture rooms

oh wait a minute..those are things that the radical american left likes in thier foreign leaders....I guess the disappointment that sadaam cant take his place with castro, chavez, and others of that ilk just keeps them wishing people like bush and cheney to die soon.

IM just glad they are gop cause if someone were to say

'here's hoping obama dies soon"

well I look for possible time off from site or some sort of comment from the moderation policy police if not just the usual suspects and thier usual comments.

here for you young lady Im going to believe that you dont really mean what you say....

I dont believe there should be any celebrating going on.
#75 | Posted by truthhurts

There's no room for your a-partisan sentiment around here.

Another Campaign promise fulfilled, one of the many that have been fullfilled.

You sound like the Vietnam era politicians using Domino Theory to justify that foolish and tragic war.

#34 | Posted by rcade at 2011-12-15 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

After the U.S. abandoned South Vietnam, what happened?

Cambodia and Laos fell down to the Communists. Thailand and Burma came close, but hung on thanks to the U.S.

The 'foolish' Domino Theory was correct.

But hell, that's just a silly academic argument, isn't it? I'm sure 3 million dead Cambodians would agree with you.

You are not laughing as loud as I am when I read you post how he is the worst president.

I never posted that, dumbfuck.

The Iraq war was an illegal war of agression

#75 | Posted by truthhurts

Repeating it again and again doesn't make it any more true, occutard.

OBAMA ended the IRAQ war!

He lost the war.

(I'm just using the same logic you lefties use when you say Nixon lost Viet Nam. Waiting for a leftie to invoke the "different rules for us" card like they always do.)

"mass graves
killing own people
rape and torture rooms"

And none of these were the reasons we were given for the immediate need for the US to invade Iraq. We were told Iraq was an immediate threat to US security due to:

WMDs
Relationship with Al Queda

Neither existed. They were lies. You voted to re-elect these scumbags AFTER it was apparent that they lied us into a war. You hate the troops and your country.

That is all.

"Now all that is left to do is pay the bill and prosecute the scumbags who lied us into that mess."

More time to laugh at retards like Thully who carry this stain of a bleeding vag to this day. Whaaaa. But... but... Bush lied.... He.. He... was mean to Saddam.... M...mmm...mm...moooommmmy....

Just imagine how these pussies had to hide back in WW-II. Too fucking bad they have a vehicle to voice their cowardly ways...

So we've been at war in Iraq for 20 years? Give me a break! The Gulf War was over in 1991. The no-fly zone and sanctions that followed it were not a war.

#69 | Posted by rcade

LMAO. Suppose a foreign country were doing it to us. Would you call it an act of war?

Please tell me you're not that much of a pussy, that you would sit still for, say, the Chinese fleet blockading American ports, and refusing to let aircraft come and go. Not to mention, the bombing of our military bases.

Ah. Keep forgetting. "We were enforcing UN mandates." Uh huh. Mandates that we insisted on. In the end, it was only the US and the UK enforcing the no-fly zones and keeping up the maritime exclusion zones. I was part of all that. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians died. But aside from a small handful of liberals, you guys just didn't care. It could still be going on, and you still wouldn't care, and you still would say it wasn't a war. News for ya. If you can't get medicine or food because the US Navy isn't allowing ships in, you're at war. Quit pretending.

When asked on US television if she [Madeline Albright, US Secretary of State] thought that the death of half a million Iraqi children [from sanctions in Iraq] was a price worth paying, Albright replied: “This is a very hard choice, but we think the price is worth it.”

â€" John Pilger, Squeezed to Death, Guardian, March 4, 2000

The only thing bipartisan about this war is using the troops as a political football, and indignantly accusing the other side of using the troops as a political football.

Remember "troops as political football" of '06? What good times those were!

#51 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2011-12-15 11:07 AM

I hope the partisan nut balls all get fleas in their crotch hair for Christmas.

You hate the troops and your country.

That is all.

???

There are still people who use one of bOoB's most stupid lines ever? Its usage pretty much invalidates anything you said preceding it.

Amy Goodman:

... many say that, although president Bush led this invasion, that president Clinton laid the groundwork with the sanctions and with the previous bombing of Iraq. You were president Clinton's U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.... the U.N. sanctions, for example ... led to the deaths of more than a half a million children, not to mention more than a million Iraqis.

Governor Richardson:

Well, I stand behind the sanctions. I believe that they successfully contained Saddam Hussein. I believe that the sanctions were an instrument of our policy. [Emphasis Added]

Amy Goodman:

To ask a question that was asked of U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Madeleine Albright, do you think the price was worth it, 500,000 children dead?

Governor Richardson:

Well, I believe our policy was correct, yes.

Jesus Christ. This Admin should take up professional cow milking.

Seems to me Americans in general do not feel great about iraq, even those who vociferously defend Iraq, there does not appear to be the same sincere belief in the cause of Iraq. The cheers from the right seem angry hatefilled partisan rants instead of honest sincere support for hte Iraqi cause-ie. combining derisions against muslims in fallujah doesnt seem to jibe with honoring our war there.

#67 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

I trust you are to young to know very much about Vietnam? Today's press and political leaders learned a very valuable lesson with that war. No matter how wrong a war or conflict is never ever let the public blame the troops. Both Vietnam and Iraq were unpopular but the major difference is how the soldiers were treated by the public. Today's soldiers are hero's, Vietnam's where scum.

Guess you had to be there to notice.

Oh in my opinion Truth, they don't want a parade. They want to forget. They want to sleep again. They want it to be as it was before they went there.

"Spitting on them would be a step up from the level of contempt you've shown for them."

Lucky for cowards like you being a pussy doesn't hurt you in the cyber world. In the real world, I would bet "if" you had the guts to open your yap, many would do more than spit on you in contempt. I know I would...

Now all that is left to do is pay the bill and prosecute the scumbags who lied us into that mess.
#56 | Posted by Sully

Likely. Not.

The person we're counting on doing that is the one who took over for them and perpetuated the madness.

-This Admin should take up professional cow milking.

According to Laura, GW has the stallion milking concession well in hand. />

"Just imagine how these pussies had to hide back in WW-II."

What does WWII have to do with the idiotic invasion and occupation of Iraq? NOthing. You should be slapped for even pretending there is some similarity.

Rummy, did someone mention Rummy??? That dumb ass that cost thousands of American lives with his "war on the cheap." There is a special place in hell reserved for him and all the neocons.

Biggest mistake of the last several decades was not having Bush I go all the way to Baghdad to finish the job. He went along with the UN, stuck us there for the last 20 years. And if you libbies actually pretend that we haven't been at war with Iraq since Kuwait, you're just stupid. Sorry about that, but that's the way it is. Hundreds of thousands dead, thousands of tons of ordnance dropped, tens of thousands of sorties flown. You don't do that to a country you're not at war with, whatever you choose to call it. It's war.

Not bad, Cork. It only took you 2 minutes to bust out the old favorite of yours. Bravo!

"... many say that, although president Bush led this invasion, that president Clinton laid the groundwork with the sanctions and with the previous bombing of Iraq."

There's a failure in logic there with Ms. Goodman. The sanctions caused the next administration to orchestrate fictitious justifications to go to war?

I never posted that, dumbfuck.

#82 | Posted by JOE at 2011-12-15 11:26 AM

"#86 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2011-12-15 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag:"

Yes, we know you consider pointing out how badly your party (and you) betrayed your country to be "whiney". Because you have no respect for the people you voted to send to Iraq for no reason or your country. You are party over country scum.

"Lucky for cowards like you .."

Of fuck off, you stupid old cunt. Voting to send others to go fight in a war does not make you butch. Only pussies think sending others to fight is tough.

- The sanctions caused the next administration to orchestrate fictitious justifications to go to war?

The Debil made them do it.

50 Top U.S. War Criminals

"There are still people who use one of bOoB's most stupid lines ever? Its usage pretty much invalidates anything you said preceding it."

Yes, yes. You are always looking to "invalidate" truths that conflict with your partisan little world view. We know already. Its why you have no credibility.

Another Campaign promise fulfilled, one of the many that have been fullfilled.

www.politifact.com

#80 | Posted by boyracer_x at

you said this like you are happy for the massive expansion of the executive branch...I believe you will be as mad as others when a gop is there using the SAME FUCKIN methods to do things as this lying piece of shit...

Suppose a foreign country were doing it to us. Would you call it an act of war?

A no-fly zone and sanctions do not meet the definition of a war. In 2003, no one was calling the invasion of Iraq the continuation of an existing war.

After the U.S. abandoned South Vietnam, what happened?

We eventually normalized relations with Vietnam and they've been one of our trading partners for many years.

You are always looking to "invalidate" truths that conflict with your partisan little world view. We know already. Its why you have no credibility.

Acdtually, I agreed with your preceding statement in that post sully. So I'm not sure what "conflict" you are talking about.

Sorry -- you are wrong again. And in spite of your weak and inaccurate deflection, "You hate Amercica because you don't believe as I do" still remains the most stupid thing ever said on the retort.

Deal with it.

Biggest mistake of the last several decades was not having Bush I go all the way to Baghdad to finish the job.

#98 | Posted by rightisright

Dick cheney? Is that you?

The reason Bush 1 didn't go to bagh. was because bush 1 was a smart man, who was well aware of the political ramifications of conducting and illegal war. His sec of defence was Dick Cheney. Cheney never forgave bush 1 for not killing more people and stealing what did not belong to us (just exactly what saddam was trying to do when he invaded kuwait).

you said this like you are happy for the massive expansion of the executive branch...

Nobody heard a peep out of you when Bush was expanding the powers of the executive.

After the U.S. abandoned South Vietnam, what happened?

We eventually normalized relations with Vietnam and they've been one of our trading partners for many years.

#106 | Posted by rcade at 2011-12-15 11:45 AM | R

DUDE>..please....you and that fuckin jane fonda..

ignoring the MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PUT TO DEATH........

of course you are right in your statement NOW,but come on....

Cheney never forgave bush 1 for not killing more people and stealing what did not belong to us ...

In 1992, Cheney defended Bush 41's decision not to topple Saddam Hussein:

"I would guess if we had gone in there, we would still have forces in Baghdad today. We'd be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home. And the final point that I think needs to be made is this question of casualties. I don't think you could have done all of that without significant additional U.S. casualties, and while everybody was tremendously impressed with the low cost of the conflict, for the 146 Americans who were killed in action and for their families, it wasn't a cheap war. And the question in my mind is, how many additional American casualties is Saddam worth? And the answer is, not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the President made the decision that we'd achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq."

He did a complete 180 for the 2003 invasion.

Nobody heard a peep out of you when Bush was expanding the powers of the executive.

#109 | Posted by rcade at 2011-12

thats because it wasn't even close...but I did 'peep' when it came to spending money.

so when OBAMA is giving ex potus speeches starting jan of 2013..I will be sure and PEEP MY ASS off.

EXCEPT now that barry has opened that box..there shouldnt be ANY bitching from any barry supporter....

ignoring the MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PUT TO DEATH...

How was the U.S. being in Vietnam going to stop the Cambodian genocide?

EXCEPT now that barry has opened that box..there shouldnt be ANY bitching from any barry supporter....

No, they're shouldn't. But every president expands the power of the office. It's a disturbing trend. There's only one candidate running who would shrink his own power.

Lucky for cowards like you being a pussy doesn't hurt you in the cyber world. In the real world, I would bet "if" you had the guts to open your yap, many would do more than spit on you in contempt. I know I would...

#94 | Posted by crispee_oc

4,500 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died because of fools like you.

I am sure some would do much worse than spit on you.

"The Debil made them do it."

That's not to give a pass on the sanctions. I think they were a monstrous error that hurt the people of Iraq far more than it did the Iraqi government. With the brain drain that resulted and then the cost or the war of the last decade Iraq will be in serious trouble for a generation.

'"You hate Amercica because you don't believe as I do" still remains the most stupid thing ever said on the retort.

Deal with it.'

It has nothing to do with what I believe. That Bush lied us into the Iraq War is a fact. Voting for Bush AFTER it was apparent that he lied us into that war is a vote of support for someone who betrayed the country. That isn't reasonably debatable.

And I was obviously repsonding in kind to idiot Bush supporters who think supporting Bush makes them tough and who accuse others of "spitting on troops". I don't really know if they hate the country and the troops. Its only one logical explanation for their 2004 vote. The other would be that they're ignorant fucking idiots.

Can you think of another reason why anyone would support a known traitor?

Amazing how many fools weren't paying attention when President Obama showed them how it could be done properly. With no American lives lost and for about $999 billion dollars cheaper. Hell, we may even get a manufacturers rebate.

#30 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2011-12-15 10:51 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Amazing how stupid you must be to think this happened completely independent of the rest of the war effort. Really, how god-damned stupid are you? I don't approve of the war, but it's pure fantasy to think we could have just dropped a SEAL team down to "get" OBL with no lives lost had he not already been chased to Pakistan by our occupation.

I just don't see how any honest, objective person can view the winding down and end of the Iraq War as anything other than a victory for Obama Administration. It was more difficult to do than he anticipated, but in the end President Obama completed the Herculean task of bringing that war to an end, and bringing home the troops.

Lucky for cowards like you being a pussy doesn't hurt you in the cyber world. In the real world, I would bet "if" you had the guts to open your yap, many would do more than spit on you in contempt. I know I would...

#94 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2011-12-15 11:31 AM | Repl

Yeah banker secretaries are so tough.

Amazing how stupid you must be to think this happened completely independent of the rest of the war effort. Really, how god-damned stupid are you? I don't approve of the war, but it's pure fantasy to think we could have just dropped a SEAL team down to "get" OBL with no lives lost had he not already been chased to Pakistan by our occupation.

#118 | Posted by soheifox

"The War effort"?

hey dumbshit...Iraq is not Afghanistan. One had nothing to do with the other. I think Bush made that very same mistake. Osama laughed about it for years until Obama finally silenced him forever.

"I just don't see how any honest, objective person can view the winding down and end of the Iraq War as anything other than a victory for Obama Administration."
#119 | Posted by moder8 at 2011-12-15 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag: dishonestly subjective

I just don't see how any honest, objective person can view the winding down and end of the Iraq War as anything other than a victory for Obama Administration. It was more difficult to do than he anticipated, but in the end President Obama completed the Herculean task of bringing that war to an end, and bringing home the troops.

#119 | Posted by moder8

Yeah, as mandated by Irag and W. Well done, President Follow-Through.

Hagbard_Celine, stop trying to be rational. It is a distraction on this thread of Bush and Obama victory dances.

you said this like you are happy for the massive expansion of the executive branch...

Nobody heard a peep out of you when Bush was expanding the powers of the executive.

#109 | Posted by rcade

actually I think they did peep...they called us traitors and said, "What do you have to hide?" or something to that effect when we tried to warn them.

Anybody really think it's over? The Iranians and the Muslim Brotherhood were just waiting for this moment. A few years from now they will control all of north Africa, Pakistan and most middle eastern nations.

You sound like the Vietnam era politicians using Domino Theory to justify that foolish and tragic war. The Middle East is not going to unify under any one country or movement. Iran can barely keep a lid on its own people, much less take over other countries.

#34 | Posted by rcade

Wow! Really?

Which reason for the war is more fitting:

Bush invaded Iraq with a military more powerful than the world has even seen...

1. To help his oil buddies
2. Because Saddam "threatened ma daddy" (LOL)
3. Because Al Qaeda was training in Iraq
4. Hitting back for 9-11
5. To get more oil for an oil thirsty nation
6. Because Iraq had WMD's

7. To control the buying and selling of oil in the region so that oil would continue to be traded in American Dollars.

Feel free to add some of the other ridiculous reasons you've heard floating around.

Persian Gulf War

After Iraq was driven by U.S.-led coalition forces out of Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm, Iraq and the U.N. Security Council signed a ceasefire agreement on March 3, 1991. Throughout the 1990s, the U.N. Security Council passed 16 Resolutions calling for Iraq to disarm the WMDs program unconditionally and immediately. Because no peace treaty was signed after the Gulf War, the war still remains on effect like Iraqi forces firing on coalition aircraft patrolling Iraqi no-fly zones, U.S. President Bill Clinton bombing of Baghdad in 1998 during Operation Desert Fox, and a bombing of Iraq by Clinton in 1996 during Operation Desert Strike. The war remains in effect until 2003 when U.S. and UK forces invaded Iraq and toppled Saddam Hussein's Regime from power.

Amazing how the stupidity is still on display here by the same predicatble cowards after all these years. Now we have those re-writing history, and ironically were the loudest ignorant voices. 16 resolutions in the 90's because Saddam was violating the CF agreement. Inspectors kicked out no less in 1998. Bush comes in and threatens punishment if Saddam doesn't come clean, and actually follows up. Yet still the same morons here when given a choice criticize Bush and call him a traitor and are silent on Saddam. Unfucking believable...

Bush didn't start the Iraq War. Saddam Hussein did, when he sent his troops into Kuwait.

#36 | POSTED BY RIGHTISRIGHT AT 2011-12-15 11:00 AM | REPLY | FLAG

I'm gonna say something here which is liable to piss people from both sides of the aisle off, but here goes:

We had no business interfering in any of that. It was world police bullshit. In addition to the stupid economic games Kuwait played with Iraq, Kuwaitis had been breeching Iraq's sovereign and recognized borders for a long time. There's also evidence Kuwait been stealing their oil and selling it back to them since the 70's. I can't understand why everyone leapt instantly to the defense of the Kuwaitis. They were sort of asking for it.

And why were people constantly saying Saddam Hussein gassed "his own people"? He did no such thing. If he gassed anyone (and there's strong doubts about this) he gassed _Kurds_, who were fighting for Iran and had invaded and taken Halabja from Iraq. If any of his own people were gassed, they were Iraqi survivors of an attempt to kill every man, woman, and child of that village by the Iranians. As for *gasp* using gas? Iran and Iraq BOTH did it, but here's the rub: Iraq used mustard gas, Iran used nerve gas. The dead folks at Halbja? Nerve gas.

The fact is nothing in the Middle East is as black and white as either party wishes and prays it was. We're just a bunch of club-footed assholes stumbling all around making an already volatile situation worse. We either need to flatout take the entire region over, or stay the fuck out of there.

Bush invaded Iraq with a military more powerful than the world has even seen...

as you should have learned by now the actual invasion was not the problem.

and yeah # 6, being the main reason, WAS pretty ridiculous.

#121 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2011-12-15 11:59 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

When did I mention Iraq, pothead? You claimed we got OBL at the cost of no American lives. You're therefore, claiming none of our troops died in Afghanistan.

A no-fly zone and sanctions do not meet the definition of a war. In 2003, no one was calling the invasion of Iraq the continuation of an existing war.

Posted by RCade

* * * *

So, again, if another country were doing so to us, you would say that it wasn't an act of war? Is that what you're saying?

If the Russian air force were prowling overhead our major American cities and shooting down anyone who tried to take off, not an act of war? If the Russian fleet were offshore sinking any vessel that approached, not an act of war?

Okaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy.

Had to know this thread would make the BDS rage come out once again.

Funny how so many use selective memory when it comes down to the start of the war in Iraq. Remember these little gems:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

Of course there are plenty more out there. The bottom line is Saddam lied his ass off about WMD capability and a whole bunch of folks bought into it....

It only took 10 years longer and cost 1 trillion more then promised.

At least a trillion. Could be in the zip code of 3 trillion borrowed dollars.

But hey, who's counting?

OIL was the best bit of espionage in history. The Iranians got John McCain to insert their spy, Achmed Chalabi and his Iranian infiltrated INC, into the PNAC planning process and onto the U.S.'s payroll. When Chalabi "liberated" northern Iraq and nobody trusted him, it only made him better in the Right's eyes. When Chalabi delivered unto Caesar Bush, ( a wanna be tough guy and someone with severe daddy issues)mr. "curveball",a drunken taxi driver who could spin wonderous tales of WMD, nuclear bombs and ICBMs hidden in Saddam's bathrooms, it gave the chickenhawk PNACers a great hard-on, matched only by the one they got on 9-11, when their dreamed of "Pearl Harbor" event came true. Forget that Iraq had nothing to do with it-an easy victory in Iraq would kill OPEC, give Israel a friend and put all those lovely oil fields on the (select) market.

And in the great WH circlejerk, the war became a 6 week, $40 billion (tops) Mission Accomplished liberation.

History has shown that Republicans make lousy war leaders, especially when they believe they are on a mission from God, and when added to a bunch of draft-dodging conservative "thinkers' produces a heady mix of disaster and defeat.

The only people who can cheer about Iraq are the mad ayatollahs in Iran, and their shia puppets in Iraq-maliki, sistani and sadr. For them, it was indeed, a Mission Accomplished, and for even less that the Republicans told America the war would cost.

when we tried to warn them.

#125 | Posted by donnerboy at 2011-12-15 12:06 PM

If you count right up until the day OBL was killed, the deaths of approximately 1,500 American Soldiesr brought you the corpse of OBL.

We had no business interfering in any of that. It was world police bullshit.
#128 | Posted by soheifox

World Police? More like Empire.

Follow the money.

Start with this book:

In 2003, no one was calling the invasion of Iraq the continuation of an existing war.

Posted by RCade

By the way, I was. But nobody was calling Iraq a war anyway. Nobody went to Congress to demand a declaration of war. We were just enforcing UN mandates. That's it. Killing people, strafing and launching missile attacks against Iraqi mechanized formations, killing tens of thousands of their troops. But no war.

And if you want to be picky, Bush's invasion wasn't a "war" either, then. Just like Kosovo. Or Iraq I. We were enforcing UN mandates. All over again. Amazing how many people are dead at US hands even though there was no "war". That's something you liberals should be enraged about. But you're not. Weird. But they're only brown people anyway, right? Isn't that what you guys say when it's a Repub in the White House?

A blockade is an act of war. A no-fly zone is an act of war also. Economic sanctions against China for patent infringement is different than blockading Iraq for food and medicine shipments. But there is one difference: Clinton was doing one of them, and Bush I the other. You liberals quit giving a damn about Iraqi kids from January, 2001 through yesterday.

We either need to flatout take the entire region over, or stay the fuck out of there.
#128 | Posted by soheifox

With choices like that, what do you think Democrats or Republicans are going to choose?

Oh and another 500 have died since then in Afghanistan. But hey, Obama's really showed us how to do it without losing American lives, amirite?

"Funny how so many use selective memory when it comes down to the start of the war in Iraq."

Especially those who can't seem to remember the difference between rhetoric and invasion.

"That's something you liberals should be enraged about. But you're not."

I think you should adopt a more realistic definition of the word "liberal". The one you use is a little too broad.

Oh and another 500 have died since then in Afghanistan. But hey, Obama's really showed us how to do it without losing American lives, amirite?

#139 | Posted by soheifox at 2011-12-15 12:15 PM

So, again, if another country were doing so to us, you would say that it wasn't an act of war?

Calling something an act of war doesn't necessarily mean that you're involved in a war. It depends on what's done in response by the attacked country.

Bush comes in and threatens punishment if Saddam doesn't come clean, and actually follows up. Yet still the same morons here when given a choice criticize Bush and call him a traitor and are silent on Saddam. Unfucking believable...

#127 | Posted by crispee_oc

yeah Bush really showed him didn't he?

A truly Pyrrhic victory that surpasses the original. You must be so proud.

Bush didn't start the Iraq War. Saddam Hussein did, when he sent his troops into Kuwait.

#36 | POSTED BY RIGHTISRIGHT

Right after Herbie Bush gave Saddam the okay to do so. Schwartzkopf and Powell, in their biographies, talk about betting on when, not if, Saddam was going into Kuwait.

Saddam's only problem, as far as the Herbie Administration was concerned, was the amount of Kuwait he took. If Saddam had only taken the disputed oil fields (the black diamond) and maybe a little bit more, there would have been no war, just a nasty note from the WH and a UN slap on the wrist.

One of the great ironies of the first Iraq war is that Kuwait made more money during it than they would have otherwise. Their European gas stations "Q8", made a ton of money from the jacked-up prices.

With choices like that, what do you think Democrats or Republicans are going to choose?

#138 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2011-12-15 12:14 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I'm a big fan of staying the fuck out of there unless we are directly attacked. It's not our _job_ to interfere in the wars of other countries, damnit. Kuwait were not our allies, and Saddam Hussein had been our total bestest buddy until right up when he suddenly became a horrible evil bastard.

Oh and Afghanistan, anyone of you old and cognizant enough to remember the 80's? The Afghanistanis were such oppressed people, such big damned heroes when we didn't like Russia. You ever see Rambo 3? Yeah, that was basically our fictional greatest American hero bringing about the regime of Osama Bin Laden. And we cheered.

The only people who can cheer about Iraq are the mad ayatollahs in Iran, and their shia puppets in Iraq-maliki, sistani and sadr. For them, it was indeed, a Mission Accomplished, and for even less that the Republicans told America the war would cost.

#133 | Posted by northguy3

Are you serious? Wow. There's a first.

I don't agree with you.

The Mission was Accomplished. It was accomplished and Bush proclaimed it so on that aircraft carrier that day.

Most Americans... Most of the world have no clue what that mission was.

It was to control the oil. Keep the cartel intact. Keep oil trading in dollars.

Ever since the international dollar was taken off the gold standard in the 70's, the strength of the dollar has been tied to another commodity... Oil.

Sadly, I think that is coming to a catastrophic end.

Oh and another 500 have died since then in Afghanistan. But hey, Obama's really showed us how to do it without losing American lives, amirite?

#139 | Posted by soheifox at 2011-12-15 12:15 PM

Good job kicking DonnerBoy in the pussy. I applaud your efforts, but he'll pretend deaths in Afghanistan are irrelevant and that the OBL mission happened in a vacuum.

#142 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Yeah nice job...the only problem was I was talking about Libya you dumb shits.

"By the way, I was. But nobody was calling Iraq a war anyway. Nobody went to Congress to demand a declaration of war. We were just enforcing UN mandates. That's it."

LOL. Revisionsit bullshit. Maybe you were calling it a continuation but what you say doesn't matter. Bush and friends said they were sending all those guys over there for new reasons. Reasons that weren't true. That is reality.

You can tell yourself whatever you want but you should be ashamed to repeat such delusions to others.

I was talking about Libya you dumb shits.
#148 | Posted by donnerboy at 2011-12-15 12:20 PM

"The War effort"?

hey dumbshit...Iraq is not Afghanistan. One had nothing to do with the other. I think Bush made that very same mistake. Osama laughed about it for years until Obama finally silenced him forever.

#121 | Posted by donnerboy at 2011-12-15 11:59 AM

"The Mission was Accomplished. It was accomplished and Bush proclaimed it so on that aircraft carrier that day."

Typically Eddie, you have it wrong. If that was the goal they failed miserably, Iraq did not privatize the oil. China can now purchase oil from Iraq on the same basis we can. The neocons were very evil men but what is so surprising is that they were also so fucking incompetent.

"You ever see Rambo 3? Yeah, that was basically our fictional greatest American hero bringing about the regime of Osama Bin Laden. And we cheered."

Nobody cheered Rambo 3.

I agree with you about minding our own business, BTW.

Although I think 9/11 warranted a punitive invasion against Al Queda/Taliban forces. I don't know why or how it morphed into this nation building nonsense though....

But nobody was calling Iraq a war anyway. Nobody went to Congress to demand a declaration of war. We were just enforcing UN mandates.

No, Bush didn't go to the UN to get authorization to enforce the mandates because he knew the UN wanted Blixx to keep searching for WMD ( a task that ultimately would have proved there were none). He kept saying he would ask the Security Council, but from spying on the individual nations' meetings, he knew he was fucked.

"You can tell yourself whatever you want but you should be ashamed to repeat such delusions to others."

Like the delusions of the Lion in the Wizard of Oz. Amazing how thully lives in his own Oz, and still thinks of it as reality...

Of course there are plenty more out there.

#132 | Posted by 2008AT

But only one gave the order to go ahead. That would be Cowboy George.

"Oh and Afghanistan, anyone of you old and cognizant enough to remember the 80's? The Afghanistanis were such oppressed people, such big damned heroes when we didn't like Russia."

the Mujahadeem would have remained our friends had Bush Sr. not stupidly placed an American base in Riyadh Saudi Arabia. That motivated Al Quaeda more than any other thing we had done and we paid a huge price for ignoring the Quran and the religious people of Saudi.

"That's something you liberals should be enraged about. But you're not."

I think you should adopt a more realistic definition of the word "liberal". The one you use is a little too broad.

#141 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

-- Democrat
-- Lefty
-- The Left
-- Obama supporter
-- Libby
-- Lib
-- Libtard
-- Demoncats

-- Republican
-- Righty
-- Rightwing
-- The Right
-- Bush Supporter
-- Con
-- Neocon
-- Repugnant
-- wingnut

It's much simpler if there are only 2 sides and one knows which side of the line each is on.

You claimed we got OBL at the cost of no American lives. You're therefore, claiming none of our troops died in Afghanistan.

#130 | Posted by soheifox

actually no I was talking about the Libyan example. Sorry you were too dumb to get it.

"yeah Bush really showed him didn't he?"

Actually he showed what gutless cowards you and many here are. Inlcuding the politicians who were all talk, until they were forced to show courage. Something you will always run from Doooner. That yellow stripe on your back is tattooed on forever. Ironic it matches the short bus you ride as well...

Almost five years to the day Obama wrote the surrender legislation.

You mean Barry wrote Bush's 2008 Peace with Honorable Mention II?

keep spinning Crispeepee. But pick a direction. You really can't claim Barry is just following Bush's terms AND that he surrendered all by himself.

But only one gave the order to go ahead. That would be Cowboy George.

#155 | Posted by northguy3 at 2011-12-15 12:25 PM

Meaning Northy respects all talk and no action. Shocking how another lib proudly puts his head in the sand until someone else makes it safe for him.

was talking about Libya you dumb shits.
#148 | Posted by donnerboy at 2011-12-15 12:20 PM

"The War effort"?

hey dumbshit...Iraq is not Afghanistan. One had nothing to do with the other. I think Bush made that very same mistake. Osama laughed about it for years until Obama finally silenced him forever.

#121 | Posted by donnerboy at 2011-12-15 11:59 AM

lmao

#150 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2011-12-15 12:23 PM

maybe you should have read the whole post before you proved what dumbasses you are.

Amazing how many fools ignore reality and pretend every leading politician, pundit and so called expert didn't call for the removal of Saddam without the guts to actually do something. Including the UN.

#20 | Posted by crispee_oc

Amazing how many fools weren't paying attention when President Obama showed them how it could be done properly. With no American lives lost and for about $999 billion dollars cheaper. Hell, we may even get a manufacturers rebate.

And he did it about 8 years quicker.

And I would bet ($10,000?) that the majority of the Libyan people consider America a true friend and ally. How do the Iraqi's feel about us?

"Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and President Jalal Talabani were invited to the ceremony but did not attend."

yea ...What an excellent deal we got there.

Thank God that particular Bush Error is over.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy

I love threads such as this. Rightwingers HAVE to know that they are being trolled, and yet still they can't resist taking the bait, hook line and sinker. lol

Hurray for our President!

keep spinning Crispeepee. But pick a direction. You really can't claim Barry is just following Bush's terms AND that he surrendered all by himself.
#160 | Posted by northguy3 at 2011-12-15 12:28 PM

spinning what dumb fuck? Just because you are too stupid to even understand what it means, doesn't make you any less of an idiot invoking Bush like a tool.

Another midwest clown on the stage giving us a laugh...

LOL. Revisionsit bullshit. Maybe you were calling it a continuation but what you say doesn't matter. Bush and friends said they were sending all those guys over there for new reasons. Reasons that weren't true. That is reality.

You can tell yourself whatever you want but you should be ashamed to repeat such delusions to others.

#149 | Posted by Sully

We were dropping bombs on Iraq and blockading their ports. If you believed Clinton and the Dems about all their justifications for doing all that, and then go and call Bush II a war criminal, you're the one who should be ashamed. They were either stupid or lying, or both. So what was it? Were you one of those douchebags who were calling for all these sanctions and blockades against Iraq, because of Saddam's WMD's? When Albright got on 60 Minutes and defended the Clinton administration's role in killing hundreds of thousands of poor Iraqis, were you one of the ones accusing Clinton of war crimes?

Because if not, thanks for being part of the problem.

"Meaning Northy respects all talk and no action."

Osama Bin Laden didn't get that memo Crispee.

Oh and another 500 have died since then in Afghanistan. But hey, Obama's really showed us how to do it without losing American lives, amirite?

#139 | Posted by soheifox

Sohe-let me ask you a question no other righty has the guts to answer-if Obama is responsible for events in afghanistan and Iraq following his election (and he is) isn't Nixon responsible for events in VN, including the surrender?

"The Mission was Accomplished. It was accomplished and Bush proclaimed it so on that aircraft carrier that day."

Typically Eddie, you have it wrong. If that was the goal they failed miserably, Iraq did not privatize the oil. China can now purchase oil from Iraq on the same basis we can. The neocons were very evil men but what is so surprising is that they were also so fucking incompetent.

#151 | Posted by danni

You didn't read my post did you?

The mission was accomplished because the cartel still controls the oil that is being sold from Iraq.

That mission was accomplished.

I'm only the messenger, I don't condone this.

This has everything to do with the Federal Reserve. How many countries do you know in history that can simply print money and increase the world's money supply by 2 to 4% a year? And the value of the dollar seems to hold. The Federal Reserve has been doing this for 40 years!

If you were controlling the world's currency and you had the most powerful military the world has ever seen, wouldn't you use it too?

Yeah nice job...the only problem was I was talking about Libya you dumb shits.
#148 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2011-12-15 12:20 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Oh so it's not OBL, it's Libya you want to talk about? While we're at it, "no american lives" I do have to give you on that one. Only a couple of journalists and a technician died. That's close enough to zero. Not sure how the situation in Libya compares to the one in Iraq at all, since one was a civil war we illegally took sides in and the other was invasion and occupation of an entire country, but hey; here goes anyway:

An abuse of the War Powers act is "how it's done"? Clearly choosing sides while promising we were there to keep the peace is "how it's done"? Causing regime change when we promised we weren't is "how it's done"? Killing 1,000+ innocent civilians with our hamfisted attacks into a sovereign nation is "how it's done"?

Yeah! Obama really showed us! I guess those lives don't count, since they're brown people standing in the Great Race Healer's way, right?

The next war begins against Americans. As soon as Obamna signs, government will have declared American territory to be a battleground, and all Americans potential enemies of the state.

But pick a direction. You really can't claim Barry is just following Bush's terms AND that he surrendered all by himself.

#160 | Posted by northguy3

Surrender? What bullshit is that?

You don't surrender then leave a police force in the country.

"Meaning Northy respects all talk and no action."

Osama Bin Laden didn't get that memo Crispee.
Posted by danni at 2011-12-15 12:33 PM | Reply

That's because it came from the seat next to you on the short bus danni. Ask Dooner and Northy if they got it as well. Seeing as three of drudges admitted retards are all on page right now...

It's also amusing that from 1993-2000, we were dropping bombs and killing kids in a country "that never attacked us". But it was only when Bush decided to put an end to it once and for all that the liberals all started to wonder where Iraq is on the map again.

"Gotta keep Saddam from getting those nukes!" --Bill Clinton, every day.

Actually he showed what gutless cowards you and many here are. Inlcuding the politicians who were all talk, until they were forced to show courage. Something you will always run from Doooner. That yellow stripe on your back is tattooed on forever. Ironic it matches the short bus you ride as well...

#159 | Posted by crispee_oc

the cowards are the ones like you who are too chicken shit to stand up and speak against power in a time of war.

Even Ron Paul knows this.

"it is dissent from government policies that defines the true patriot and champion of liberty"

But only one gave the order to go ahead. That would be Cowboy George.

#155 | Posted by northguy3

Really?

Cowboy George simply did what he was told.

The more intelligent conservative posters aren't posting today. They're too embarrassed to show their faces here or anywhere else. Rightly so. I feel sorry though for their less intelligent comrades who aren't smart enough to understand that they are being ridiculed from coast to coast when they aren't being reminded of that they share the blame for the deaths and the expenses of that stupid unnecessary war. The next time a lunatic like Bush wants to go to war we should require every last one of his supporters to get a tattoo showing their support, that way for the rest of their lives they can't claim, as so many do, that they never really supported the war monger.

"Actually he showed what gutless cowards you and many here are. Inlcuding the politicians who were all talk, until they were forced to show courage."

What are you smoking, old queen? During Vietnam, Bush served in a unit that was well known for being a nursery for rich boys. When there was talk about sending that unit overseas, he fled. He used his family connections to stay well away from combat.

How is sending other people to go fight when you yourself are completely unwilling to do so "showing courage"? Nobody is bigger coward than the pussy who talks tough when others are at risk and who hides behind mommy and daddy when his own neck is on the line.

We knew you are stupid aleady but this is just beyond retarded....

I remember, a few days before the invasion, standing on Young Circle in Hollywood, Florida holding a sign of opposition to the invasion. While we stood there, probably 100 of us or so, the typical righties just like the one's here, drove by calling us names and even threatening to kick our asses. I'm sure that at the time many of the folks who post here agreed with those animals. Today that nightmare is finally over for most of us but it will live on for the thousands and thousands of wounded vets, families of dead soldiers, etc. I'd just like to stop here and say thank you to the right wing lunatics who helped George Bush achieve his single most destructive accomplishment. Y'all should be proud.

"We were dropping bombs on Iraq and blockading their ports. If you believed Clinton and the Dems about all their justifications for doing all that, and then go and call Bush II a war criminal, you're the one who should be ashamed."

I didn't call Bush a war criminal. I called him a traitor. Because he lied in order to justify sending thousands of Americans to die for no reason.

"They were either stupid or lying, or both. So what was it? Were you one of those douchebags who were calling for all these sanctions and blockades against Iraq, because of Saddam's WMD's? When Albright got on 60 Minutes and defended the Clinton administration's role in killing hundreds of thousands of poor Iraqis, were you one of the ones accusing Clinton of war crimes?"

I wasn't a big Clinton fan at the time, never voted for him and didn't support our continued involvement with Iraq.

Having said that, Clinton did not bankrupt us and send thousands of foot soldiers to die. You are only bringing him up because you are desperate to deflect away from the traitorous behavior you cheered for eight years. Try it on someone else because I'm not buying...

Shocking how another lib proudly puts his head in the sand until someone else makes it safe for him.

#161 | Posted by crispee_oc

Okay, Crispeepee, tell us all exactly what Saddam was doing that put my life, or yours, in danger? Other than cornering the market for oil on satin paintings of women with big tits, and that may have been a worry for you. You really should put some thought into what you say, rather than repeating what FIX indoctrinates you with.

Actually he showed what gutless cowards you and many here are. Inlcuding the politicians who were all talk, until they were forced to show courage. Something you will always run from Doooner. That yellow stripe on your back is tattooed on forever. Ironic it matches the short bus you ride as well...

#159 | Posted by crispee_oc

"Once a war of any sort is declared, the message is sent out not to object or you will be declared unpatriotic. Yet, we must not forget that the true patriot is the one who protests in spite of the consequences. Condemnation or ostracism or even imprisonment may result."

"The true patriot challenges the state when the state embarks on enhancing its power at the expense of the individual."

"Patriotism is more closely linked to dissent than it is to conformity and a blind desire for safety and security. "

Ron Paul Before the U.S. House of Representatives, May 22, 2007

Ron Paul was not talking about you Crusty.

The more intelligent conservative posters aren't posting today. They're too embarrassed to show their faces here or anywhere else. Rightly so.
#176 | Posted by danni

LOL... Really?

The more intelligent conservatives posters are telling you exactly what happened!

Please don't be so closed minded and full of bullshit that you can't consider that what we are talking about could be the truth.

In the short time I've posted, I was able to give you a few hints of the truth. It's up to you to get the full story.

You reject it because you are just too embarrassed that your America is capable of invading a country for economic reasons--FOR THE EVIL BANKERS!!!

You reject it because you want to use it to get your guy elected.

Be fair Danni. Have an open mind.

(here comes the ridicule because you know I'm right)

Some facts for all of the partisans in this thread:

1. Bush is a traitor for taking us to a war we should not have started
2. Obama followed Bush's withdrawal timeline
3. Obama sought an extended period of immunity so we could stay longer and failed to get it
4. Obama is sending 16000 mercenaries over there to continue our presence
5. Obama's actions in the matter, while unimpressive in 2., downright shitty in 3., and hilariously hypocritical in 4., pale in comparison to the treason in 1.

The partisan chest beating is pathetic. Just be glad the troops are home for the holdidays.

#22 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2011-12-15 10:41 AM | Reply |

Who annointed you the tower of moderate politics? You're one of the biggest choads here.

I love threads such as this. Rightwingers HAVE to know that they are being trolled, and yet still they can't resist taking the bait, hook line and sinker. lol
Hurray for our President!
#163 | Posted by moder8

Go ahead and post another thread about how righties are unable to have reasonable discussions about the issues of the day.

"What are you smoking, old queen? During Vietnam, Bush served in a unit that was well known for being a nursery for rich boys. When there was talk about sending that unit overseas, he fled. He used his family connections to stay well away from combat."

Hey stupid, if you are dmb enough to respond, at least know wtf you are responding to you useless retard. Going on about Bush when I wrote about the politicians leading up to the 2003 invasion pretty much proves why you are an embarrassment.

I hope that same bleeding vag continues to be a stain after another 8 years. You are so pathetic that you have nothing else or reason to get out of bed...

Sully-compared to his puppet master Dick Cheney, Bush was a decorated combat vet.

Cowboy George simply did what he was told.

#175 | Posted by Eddie at 2011-12-15 12:37

This not a valid defense. Ask any German. Do you always do what you are told Crazy Eddie?

The group-think that enabled Bush to take us to war in Iraq still exists today. The sheep still bleat exactly the way Fox News tells them to. Today a few can admit they might have made an error in judgement about Bush but they still lap up the propaganda on a daily basis and believe things to be facts which are the opposite of facts.

HC: Does it really appear as if anybody on this thread is trying to have a reasonable discussion? It is more like a , "we're great - you suck", kind of discussion from both sides.

Who annointed you the tower of moderate politics? You're one of the biggest choads here.

#183 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2011-12-15 12:44 PM

What a whiney vag, lol!

Wait, Eddie is claiming ground as one of the more intelligent conservative posters here? Or did I misread that?

maybe you should have read the whole post before you proved what dumbasses you are.

#162 | Posted by donnerboy at 2011-12-15 12:31 PM

"2. Obama followed Bush's withdrawal timeline"

Check the records though, he was campaigning on that plan well before Bush announced his timetable. It really seemed as though Bush took Obama's campaign promises and said...."hey this is a good idea."

"It is more like a , "we're great - you suck", kind of discussion from both sides."

Sorry but today seems like a good day to say "you suck" to those who supported Bush and his invasion. They do suck!

HC: Does it really appear as if anybody on this thread is trying to have a reasonable discussion? It is more like a , "we're great - you suck", kind of discussion from both sides.

#189 | Posted by moder8 at 2011-12-15 12:46 PM

Who annointed you the tower of moderate politics? You're one of the biggest choads here.

LOL The irony

With that statement, you just appointed yourself the baseline from which all political positions are reckoned, pinche loaf. But you were obviously too stupid to see that.

#193 | Posted by danni at 2011-12-15 12:48 PM

Fuck off you old partisan hag.

LoD: Yeah but by the time you reached #190 and #192 even you had given up on serious discussion.

Wait, Eddie is claiming ground as one of the more intelligent conservative posters here? Or did I misread that?

#191 | Posted by pragmatist at 2011-12-15 12:47 PM

It's an old post from Eddie. I had him all slobbering mad, and he spewed that bit of hilarity which is now my motto.

"Once a war of any sort is declared, the message is sent out not to object or you will be declared unpatriotic. Yet, we must not forget that the true patriot is the one who protests in spite of the consequences. Condemnation or ostracism or even imprisonment may result."

God damn donner, is that seat on the short bus monogramed with your name? The fucking 2nd leading Dem on the Senate floor declared the war lost. The future president put up thee surrender flag. Even a retard like yourself cannot call that patriotic? Kennedy blaming Bush and praising al sadr is hardly a objector. Yet for some reason many here are too fucking stupid to be embarrassed by their party leaders...

HC: Does it really appear as if anybody on this thread is trying to have a reasonable discussion? It is more like a , "we're great - you suck", kind of discussion from both sides.
#189 | Posted by moder8

Ah, so you're only responding to what you're reading? Who is being trolled by who, now?

LoD: Yeah but by the time you reached #190 and #192 even you had given up on serious discussion.

#198 | Posted by moder8 at 2011-12-15 12:51 PM

Seriously HC, how can you view my post #119 as anything other than trollbait. lol And the funniest thing of all, - you bit.

"Fuck off you old partisan hag."

STill got a few years left to keep reminding you and your buddies of the stupid decisions you made which have cost America thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. I'm not going anywhere, I'm the conscience you should have been born with.

Really, you're seriously hurt from that post? The one where I said everything Obama has done wrong re. Iraq "pales in comparison" to the treason of Bush?

What a whiney vag, lol!

#190 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2011-12-15 12:46 PM | Reply |

Follow closely scumbag...

You're trying to qualify ridiculous criticisms of Obama bringing the troops home by contrasting that with the worst POTUS ever in Dubya.

Calling Bush a traitor in December 2011 hardly makes you the voice of reason.

"Ah, so you're only responding to what you're reading? Who is being trolled by who, now?"

Moder8 is a suckerfish. No need to troll when they can simply be scooped up with the other bottom feeders...

You're trying to qualify ridiculous criticisms of Obama bringing the troops home by contrasting that with the worst POTUS ever in Dubya.

#205 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2011-12-15 12:55 PM

Calling Bush a traitor in December 2011 hardly makes you the voice of reason.

#205 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2011-12-15 12:55 PM

Take your vaginal hemorrhaging elsewhere.

I love threads such as this. Rightwingers HAVE to know that they are being trolled, and yet still they can't resist taking the bait, hook line and sinker. lol
Hurray for our President!
#163 | Posted by moder8

Go ahead and post another thread about how righties are unable to have reasonable discussions about the issues of the day.

#184 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Sheesh!! Really?

What you want is to be acknowledged that you were right about Bush and Republicans and the Obama came and saved American.

Sorry to say to all the Lefties who think they are trolling.

You are wrong and Obama didn't "save" America.

I am very surprised that you think of this as some kind of victory!

Pinch, time for lunch. If you're still here spreading the hurt, I'll resume slapping you around in about an hour or so.

Oh, fuck you too Eddie.

Biggest mistake of the last several decades was not having Bush I go all the way to Baghdad to finish the job.

#98 | Posted by rightisright

Study some history, RIW.

"We were disappointed that Saddam's defeat did not break his hold on power, as many of our Arab allies had predicted and we had come to expect. President Bush repeatedly declared that the fate of Saddam Hussein was up to the Iraqi people. Occasionally, he indicated that removal of Saddam would be welcome, but for very practical reasons there was never a promise to aid an uprising. While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state. We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different–and perhaps barren–outcome."

Wait, Eddie is claiming ground as one of the more intelligent conservative posters here? Or did I misread that?

#191 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST

If you're using Danni as the bar for intelligence than Eddie if a fucking genius.

The group-think that enabled Bush to take us to war in Iraq still exists today. The sheep still bleat exactly the way Fox News tells them to. Today a few can admit they might have made an error in judgement about Bush but they still lap up the propaganda on a daily basis and believe things to be facts which are the opposite of facts.

#188 | Posted by danni

You are so full of crap Danni.

You do the same thing.

You are closed minded and your willingness to ignore the truth in place of your own agenda is painful evident.

I hate having to beat you up, but it happens every day. I start out with a reasonable argument but your closed mind rejects it because you would be forced to reject everything you hear on MSNBC!

You're a partisan, it's very plain to see.

Yeah! Obama really showed us! I guess those lives don't count, since they're brown people standing in the Great Race Healer's way, right?

#169 | Posted by soheifox

you really are that short sighted aren't you!

The WPA has always been controversial. Possibly not even constitutional.

Speaking of which when will Congress get the balls to actually declare a war again? How many undeclared wars have we been in the last decade anyway? I have lost count.

The Libyan people are in charge of their own country now. No American soldiers died. We don't have to rebuild their infrastructure. We didn't break it and we didn't have to buy it either. We had an exit strategy (don't enter!)And they still like us. They would even buy someone like you a cup a tea if you showed up just because you are an American. How on earth can you argue with those kind of results?

Yes...Obama showed you how to take out a dictator and restore a country to it's people on the cheap (we may even get a refund!) with no troops on the ground and no troops lost. And the Libyan people actually respected us in the morning. Too bad you weren't really paying attention to the lesson. Maybe you can read about in a history book someday.

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We invaded Iraq to capture the Iraqi Oil fields.

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ignoring the MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PUT TO DEATH........

of course you are right in your statement NOW,but come on....

#110 | Posted by afkabl2

You're right afkabagger, Nixon's surrender was a disaster, but it does prove my point about how Republican war preznets are failures. Nixon surrendered and Gerry Ford wouldn't return SVN's phone calls when the godless commies were running amok.

Wait, Eddie is claiming ground as one of the more intelligent conservative posters here? Or did I misread that?

#191 | Posted by pragmatist

Annnnnnddddd...

Here come the clowns!

fucking asshole trolls who can't argue the point so they ridicule you.

Add something intelligent to the conversation or fuck off.

Can ANY rightie explain why Cowboy George couldn't wrap up a couple of wars against guys on donkeys with WW2 surplus weapons in 8 or 10 years?

Fuck, if FDR had been that stupid, the Mississippi River would be the border between New Germany and New Japan.

Oh, fuck you too Eddie.

#210 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

LOL!

I know

I'm a party pooper.

Sorry I took a huge crap on this Lefty Circle Jerk.

(no intelligent conservatives posting...)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!

"Sully-compared to his puppet master Dick Cheney, Bush was a decorated combat vet."

And of course Bush didn't hide underground on 9/11. Bush is a coward. Calling Cheney a coward would be an insult to cowards.

The fucking 2nd leading Dem on the Senate floor declared the war lost. The future president put up thee surrender flag. Even a retard like yourself cannot call that patriotic? Yet for some reason many here are too fucking stupid to be embarrassed by their party leaders...

#200 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2011-12-15 12:52 PM

I don't always agree with our leaders...obviously.

And I am sorry. Could you explain to the rest of us what winning could possibly look like in Iraq? I kinda lost sight of it after the Mission was Accomplished. And who did we surrender to? Do we have to start speaking Arabic now?

#218 | Posted by northguy3

Do you know you're asking to stupid question and you are trolling?

Or, are you serious?

Wait, Eddie is claiming ground as one of the more intelligent conservative posters here? Or did I misread that?
#191 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST

If you're using Danni as the bar for intelligence than Eddie if a fucking genius.
#212 | POSTED BY TEDLY

Annnnnnddddd...
Here come the clowns!
fucking asshole trolls who can't argue the point so they ridicule you.
Add something intelligent to the conversation or fuck off.
#217 | POSTED BY EDDIE

OK I stand corrected.

.Obama showed you how to take out a dictator and restore a country to it's people on the cheap

He learned it from Clinton.

What was seriously embarrassing about the entire performance is how the "military" consistently mis-pronounce "Iraq" like fucking hicks who for NINE YEARS never listened to one single native or visiting dignitary. Disgusting, dishonorable and proving little to no regard for the Iraqi culture and language. It's no small wonder why American military are viewed as ignorant - particularly on our own televisions.

It's "ear" and "rock" - that's "Iraq". How difficult was that?

The ending couldn't come fast enough - time to bring those damaged children back home to continue their careers of real ignorance in the face of fake war.

Take your vaginal hemorrhaging elsewhere.

#207 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2011-12-15 12:59 PM | Reply |

What's your preoccupation with vaginas? Never been laid?

Pinch, time for lunch. If you're still here spreading the hurt, I'll resume slapping you around in about an hour or so.

#209 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2011-12-15 01:01 PM | Reply |

Give the DR a break and don't come back.

And I am sorry. Could you explain to the rest of us what winning could possibly look like in Iraq? I kinda lost sight of it after the Mission was Accomplished. And who did we surrender to? Do we have to start speaking Arabic now?

#221 | Posted by donnerboy

I think that Obama is handling it very well with little fanfare and keeping the pride of our military intact. But leaving a force more powerful than most police forces is not at all surrendering.

I'd say that Obama is following orders quite well (as Clinton and Bush did).

"The Iraq War is Over!

It should never have been started.

But then all those Iraq war no bid, cost plus reconstruction contracts handed out like candy to the Bush Administration's circle of buddies sure made a lot of Republican-friendly donors extremely wealthy men.

And wasn't that the real purpose of this war in the first place?

#13 | Posted by CalifChris"

Worth repeating.

The pull-outy is right on the schedule BUSH had in place when little o took over.

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2011-12-15 10:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

You're right Sphincty. Obama is sticking to bush's fixed date withdrawal, which you righties spent a lot of time telling the world meant the terrorists win when Democrats proposed it.

So, I guess that means Bush and those who voted for him hate America for its freedoms and love al queda.

You must be so proud. Lululululu!

Can ANY rightie explain why Cowboy George couldn't wrap up a couple of wars against guys on donkeys with WW2 surplus weapons in 8 or 10 years?

Fuck, if FDR had been that stupid, the Mississippi River would be the border between New Germany and New Japan.

#218 | Posted by northguy3

???

Are you really this stupid? Short memory? What?

In WWII, no one was afraid if someone's grandma became collateral damage or an alleged milk factory was bombed. Also, therer weren't daily death counts that had you libs wringing your hands over and boohooing, even though there was a very small fraction the number of Americans killed in Iraq than in WWII. (hell, LBJ killed 4 times the number his last year in Vietnam than Bush did his entire presence in Iraq.)

If the Iraq war was allowed to be waged like WWII, it would have been over in days or weeks at the most.

Now you know, stupid.

The Iraq war was an illegal war of agression

#75 | Posted by truthhurts

Repeating it again and again doesn't make it any more true, occutard.

#83 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

Iraq did not attack us

Iraq was not making WMD

Iraq posed no threat to the US

UN did not authorize an attack on Iraq

Therefore, no justification for attack.

War was an illegal war of agression.

You need to educate yourself on the definition of war of agression.

#218 | Posted by northguy3

Do you know you're asking to stupid question and you are trolling?

Or, are you serious?

#222 | Posted by Eddie

Serious Eddie. 10 fucking years to defeat al queda and kill bin laden? FDR whipped Japan AND aided in the defeat of Germany in less than 4. And those guys had real armies.And fleets. And air forces. And tanks.

"mass graves
killing own people
rape and torture rooms"

Not justification for an invasion.

War of agression.

If you're using Danni as the bar for intelligence than Eddie if a fucking genius.

#212 | Posted by Tedly

LOL! fucking troll.

You are too much a coward to say anything because you get bitch-slapped and run away.

Wait, Eddie is claiming ground as one of the more intelligent conservative posters here? Or did I misread that?
#191 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST

If you're using Danni as the bar for intelligence than Eddie if a fucking genius.
#212 | POSTED BY TEDLY

Annnnnnddddd...
Here come the clowns!
fucking asshole trolls who can't argue the point so they ridicule you.
Add something intelligent to the conversation or fuck off.
#217 | POSTED BY EDDIE

OK I stand corrected.

#223 | POSTED BY TEDLY

I'm the conscience you should have been born with.
#204 | POSTED BY DANNI

Ok I recant my recant and raise you another recant. Obvious Danni and Eddie are the same skitzo person at war with itself.

Now if we could only figure out how PinchedALoaf fits in. I guess some mysteries will never be solved.

Seriously HC, how can you view my post #119 as anything other than trollbait. lol And the funniest thing of all, - you bit.
#203 | Posted by moder8

I expected the language to be trollbait but the idea is not far from your more serious posts. If I had responded like I had intended before I got pulled away then I'd have been really trolled.

I think that Obama is handling it very well with little fanfare and keeping the pride of our military intact. But leaving a force more powerful than most police forces is not at all surrendering.

I'd say that Obama is following orders quite well (as Clinton and Bush did).

#227 | Posted by Eddie

wow Eddie...that was quite perceptive!

But, you are not supposed to mention the fact that we haven't actually left yet. Didn't you get the Fucs SNooze memo yet? Remember Iraa "Won" as Obama had no choice as he is weak and was not able to make a deal so we HAD to leave. Remember? You member!

"Iran Won": Fox Attacks Obama For Ending Iraq War
October 24, 2011 2:15 pm ET --
Following President Obama's announcement that all troops would leave Iraq by the end of the year, Fox News has scrambled to attack Obama's foreign policy, calling the development a "strategic tragedy" and speculating that it could mean the lives of American troops killed in Iraq could have been "wasted."

Of course there are plenty more out there. The bottom line is Saddam lied his ass off about WMD capability and a whole bunch of folks bought into it....

#132 | Posted by 2008ATL

still not an acceptable justification for war.

sorry

war of agression.

You are too much a coward to say anything because you get bitch-slapped and run away.
#234 | POSTED BY EDDIE

where'd I get slaped. I skipped a lot of posts because of idots like you and Danni and TookADump.

Lazy yes, coward not a chance. Morons like you 3 are to simple to be scared of. Great for an early afternoon laugh though.

Serious Eddie. 10 fucking years to defeat al queda and kill bin laden? FDR whipped Japan AND aided in the defeat of Germany in less than 4. And those guys had real armies.And fleets. And air forces. And tanks.

Posted by northgay

See post 230 dodo.

No, Bush didn't go to the UN to get authorization to enforce the mandates because he knew the UN wanted Blixx to keep searching for WMD ( a task that ultimately would have proved there were none). He kept saying he would ask the Security Council, but from spying on the individual nations' meetings, he knew he was fucked.

#153 | Posted by northguy3 at

Makes one wonder why the slam dunk intelligence of WMD was not communicated to the inspectors.

wow Eddie...that was quite perceptive!

But, you are not supposed to mention the fact that we haven't actually left yet. Didn't you get the Fucs SNooze memo yet? Remember Iraa "Won" as Obama had no choice as he is weak and was not able to make a deal so we HAD to leave. Remember? You member!

"Iran Won": Fox Attacks Obama For Ending Iraq War
October 24, 2011 2:15 pm ET --
Following President Obama's announcement that all troops would leave Iraq by the end of the year, Fox News has scrambled to attack Obama's foreign policy, calling the development a "strategic tragedy" and speculating that it could mean the lives of American troops killed in Iraq could have been "wasted."

#237 | Posted by donnerboy

You're a partisan hack.

I'm not.

Do you have a point to make or not.

FDR whipped Japan AND aided in the defeat of Germany in less than 4. And those guys had real armies.And fleets. And air forces. And tanks.

AND FDR didn't have libs crying over daily body counts. AND FDR didn't catch slack over collateral damage. AND FDR was working with the military forces of the rest of the world.

You conveniently forgot a few ANDs, northgay. As always, I'm glad I could help you.

If the Iraq war was allowed to be waged like WWII, it would have been over in days or weeks at the most.

Now you know, stupid.

#230 | Posted by goatman.

Goatsy, I've known stupid since I read your first post. And how, exactly, was Iraq fought differently than WW2? Except, of course, Iraq had no air force, or navy. If you're gonna go with the carpet bombing scenario, you should remember Falluja didn' stop the sunnis and that bombing the fuck out of german cities didn't do a while lot to defeat germany. Sure didn't make the Brits or Russians give up. The Iraqi military was outmanned, outgunned, out everything. And here we are 8 plus years later, being pissed on by the "gratefully liberated" Iraqis as we bid a fond farewell to so much blood and treasure.

As Dubya's favorite politician would put it: Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many for so little.

sorry

war of agression.

#238 | Posted by truthhurts

But, but, but this was a Preemptive Strike!

They might have attacked us someday (with the very weapons we sold them)!

Besides, we gave you some Shock and Awe and showed off our awesomeness!

Sheese you people are never happy.

Serious Eddie. 10 fucking years to defeat al queda and kill bin laden? FDR whipped Japan AND aided in the defeat of Germany in less than 4. And those guys had real armies.And fleets. And air forces. And tanks.

#232 | Posted by northguy3

LOL! No you're not. If you are, then you are signing in as BoOb.

Hey! Wait a minute. How come when Northguy is here, BoOb is out running errands. and when BoOb is here, Northguy is...

"We were dropping bombs on Iraq and blockading their ports. If you believed Clinton and the Dems about all their justifications for doing all that, and then go and call Bush II a war criminal, you're the one who should be ashamed."

you mean the illegal No Fly Zone?

Try finding some legal authorization for it.

Dare you.

"And how, exactly, was Iraq fought differently than WW2?"

As we know. Northy is a proud student of the Michigan Public school system. One can only imagine what they taught him in history classes.

AND obama didn't win, btw, northgay. FDR did. A big point.

AND if Obama is so great, why didn't he stay one more year and finish the job? After all, FDR did it in four, surely the messiah could pull off a win fighting (as you point out) armies on donkeys.

You're a partisan hack.

I'm not.

Do you have a point to make or not.

#242 | Posted by Eddie

lmao

I am very surprised that you think of this as some kind of victory!

Getting out of Iraq is a huge victory because we never should have started the war. The fate of Iraq's government has always been up to the Iraqi people. They'll either fight for it or it will be toppled. This is true now, was true five years ago, and would be true if we stayed in Iraq another 10 years.

The group-think that enabled Bush to take us to war in Iraq still exists today. The sheep still bleat exactly the way Fox News tells them to. Today a few can admit they might have made an error in judgement about Bush but they still lap up the propaganda on a daily basis and believe things to be facts which are the opposite of facts.

#188 | Posted by danni

as we march to war with Iran and people will call them the agressors.

Of course there are plenty more out there. The bottom line is Saddam lied his ass off about WMD capability and a whole bunch of folks bought into it....

#132 | Posted by 2008ATL

still not an acceptable justification for war.

sorry

war of agression.

#238 | Posted by truthhurts

You're right.

war of aggression to preserve the influence of the American Empire.

Do you have a point to make or not.
#242 | Posted by Eddie

lmao
Posted by donnerboy at 2011-12-15 01:33 PM

Looks like donner found the dunce hat and is laughing at the irony of the question posed to him...

#250 | Posted by donnerboy

no point.

That's what I thought.

Goatsy, I've known stupid since I read your first post

You clearly knew it long before that or you would not have made the idiotic comparisons to WWII.

And as usual, you move goalposts and refuse to address my points -- namely collateral damage, body counts, an entire planet's military forces, etc.

Get back with me when you want to put the goalposts back and address those issues, loser

Do you have a point to make or not.
#242 | Posted by Eddie

lmao
Posted by donnerboy at 2011-12-15 01:33 PM

Looks like donner found the dunce hat and is laughing at the irony of the question posed to him...

#254 | Posted by crispee_oc

I have that effect on the Left here.

When they come back with things like:

"You're a stupid, stupid man! I hate you!! WWWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!"

That's when I know I have to back off a little.

Are you really this stupid? Short memory? What?

In WWII, no one was afraid if someone's grandma became collateral damage or an alleged milk factory was bombed. Also, therer weren't daily death counts that had you libs wringing your hands over and boohooing, even though there was a very small fraction the number of Americans killed in Iraq than in WWII. (hell, LBJ killed 4 times the number his last year in Vietnam than Bush did his entire presence in Iraq.)

If the Iraq war was allowed to be waged like WWII, it would have been over in days or weeks at the most.

Now you know, stupid.

#230 | Posted by goatman

apples meet oranges

WW2 and Iraq are significantly different, both in scope and the conditions of the conflict

you should look at casualties per fighting man, alot of US soldiers were saved due to modern medicine.

Now you know, stupid.

AND FDR didn't have libs crying over daily body counts. AND FDR didn't catch slack over collateral damage. AND FDR was working with the military forces of the rest of the world.

You conveniently forgot a few ANDs, northgay. As always, I'm glad I could help you.

#243 | Posted by goatman

AND FDR was fighting a declared war AND FDR had major countries allied with him, some of which did far more fighting and dying in certain critical theaters.

Glad i could help YOU>

Danni says: "Rummy, did someone mention Rummy??? That dumb ass that cost thousands of American lives with his "war on the cheap."

Another dumb ass's cold stupidity cost us 55,000 deaths...JFK.

Guess both parties have their share of dumb asses.

"I am very surprised that you think of this as some kind of victory!"

Getting out of Iraq is a huge victory because we never should have started the war. The fate of Iraq's government has always been up to the Iraqi people. They'll either fight for it or it will be toppled. This is true now, was true five years ago, and would be true if we stayed in Iraq another 10 years.

#251 | Posted by rcade

Then the whole PNAC, Neocon, American Empire thingy has nothing to do with the war.

Do you really think that Bush took us to war on his own?

Bush and Cheney are the fall guys. Don't you know that?

Thank goodness, we can only hope its over.

It only cost us $5 trillion without counting the cost of rebuilding Iraq plus 4,483 American Deaths; Official wounded 33,000; unofficial brain injuries 320,000; returning US soldier suicides 56,000 (18/day). Iraqi deaths 1,455,590; Iraqis left the country 4,000,000.

Your welcome Iran.

is it me or is Eddie arguing a liberal's argument?

no point.

That's what I thought.

#255 | Posted by Eddie

I am laughing at the fact you think you are not a partisan hack.

And my point was that Fox News has declared this a "tragedy" you all fall into line with that meme.

And we haven't actually "left" yet anyway so how is it we are "surrendering" to anyone Crusty? You failed to answer that.

Anyway...It doesn't matter whether you understand it or not. You will someday. WE are finally bringing this sad chapter in our history to a responsible close. This particular Bush Error/Mess is finally under control. Now we can turn our complete attention to more pressing matters. Like getting our troops out of Afghanistan and solving our economic problems here at home.

WW2 and Iraq are significantly different, both in scope and the conditions of the conflict

???

That was exactly my point to northgay.

Now you know, stupid.

If my position is stupid, so is yours. You got the "I hate anything goat says, even if he agrees with me" disease bad, don't you?

is it me or is Eddie arguing a liberal's argument?

#263 | Posted by truthhurts

he (I was gonna say sometimes) gets confused

"is it me or is Eddie arguing a liberal's argument?"

Knowing you take the "liberals are pussys" to a new height, maybe the estrogen is messing with your little brain...

apples meet oranges

WW2 and Iraq are significantly different, both in scope and the conditions of the conflict

you should look at casualties per fighting man, alot of US soldiers were saved due to modern medicine.

Now you know, stupid.

#258 | Posted by truthhurts

LOL!! This is too funny.

You're saying that Goatman is stupid yet you ignore Northguy's original seemingly moronic post that was really troll bait.

Here it is again:
Serious Eddie. 10 fucking years to defeat al queda and kill bin laden? FDR whipped Japan AND aided in the defeat of Germany in less than 4. And those guys had real armies.And fleets. And air forces. And tanks. [and shit]
#232 | Posted by northguy3

AND FDR was fighting a declared war AND FDR had major countries allied with him, some of which did far more fighting and dying in certain critical theaters.

Glad i could help YOU

Save your thanks. You were no help. Your first sentence has nothing to do with the waging of the war (which was the point, not how it started) and I already noted that the rest of the world was fighting it.

Once again you prove (with your second statement) that you have the

"I hate anything goatman says, even if I agree with him" disease bad -- very bad it would appear -- don't you?

is it me or is Eddie arguing a liberal's argument?

#263 | Posted by truthhurts

Actually, it's a Tea Party argument.

(oh, well, then it's CRRRRAP" - said with a Scottish ascent)

"Bush and Cheney are the fall guys. Don't you know that?"

Bull shit. The President is responsible for his own decisions. If he took bad advice that's still his fault because he chose who he would listen to. Niether Bush nor Cheney have any excuse for their actions and neither does anyone who voted for them in 2004. I could forgive 2000, Bush claimed he was not interested in making war or nationbuilding but by 2004 it was quite obvious.

yeah it was pretty moronic Eddie!

It actually only took 2 and 1/2 years once the adults got back in charge.

Since you decided to ignore my question on the other thread, Danni.

Which of Bush's policies put us in this very tough economic situation?

he (I was gonna say sometimes) gets confused

#266 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

I see Donnerboy is playing the blind squirrel today.

"If you're using Danni as the bar for intelligence than Eddie if a fucking genius.
#212 | Posted by Tedly"

Jesus, Tedly. Write in English you fucking moron.

eddie,

Shrub is responsible for taking us to war unnecessarily, just like he's responsible for the financial chaos of 2008. That was his job, even if Cheney was calling the shots. But people in positions like that are never held reposnsible.

yeah it was pretty moronic Eddie!

It actually only took 2 and 1/2 years once the adults got back in charge.

#272 | Posted by donnerboy

What are you talking about? Took who 2 1/2 year to do what?

and what did I say was moronic?

Are you actually following this conversation?

This is hilarious. Goatshart is really arguing that the reason Bush did not successfully wage the Iraq war in a shorter period was a fear of liberal hand-wringing over civilian deaths?

That old fuck is seriously delusional.

AND FDR didn't catch slack over collateral damage. AND FDR was working with the military forces of the rest of the world.

Goatsy, Goatsy, Goatsy. so little time, so much educating of that Texas "mind" of yours.

FDR didn't catch shit for collateral damage because Japan and Germany declared war on the US. It's like Lincoln not catching shit for burning Atlanta down-the general consensus was the inbred fuckers had it coming.

Have you forgotten the vaunted Coalition of the Willing righties raved about? Many more players there than FDR had allies. And surely, you're not stupid enough to compare Iraq or the taliban with Imperial Japan and nazi Germany in terms of strength. You do know the difference betwen a pony and a Panzer, don't you? I might point out that in the Pcific, there was marginal, at best, allied support.

you saying that Bush lost two wars because somebody was counting bodies? You do know that FDR was being hammered by the KIA numbers, too?

Study history, Goatsy. It's not as much fun as putting up preserves for the guys on the rig, but it'll serve you better whenever you work up the nerve to post here.

Three cowards and traitors to the country, and one is Pres and the other two in line to be pres. Knowing the gutless pussies here are proud those three were rewarded for staining the american military for years to come, it is laughable they open their yaps today with no remorse.

#16 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2011-12-15 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Yes, I'm sure the troops are devastated at the idea of not being sent back to that shithole time & time again.

The Iraq war is over, now the revisionist Iraq war has begun.

I wonder who will be the first lib to announce that Obama lost the war in Iraq. I'm sure it will be one of the ones who claimed Nixon lost the war in Vietnam. LOL

#273 | Posted by curisemssl

you might consider that....

Jesus, Tedly. Write in English you fucking moron.

#275 | POSTED BY MONTECORE

What part didn't you understand shit for brains? Let me guess, public schools?

"Bush and Cheney are the fall guys. Don't you know that?"

Bull shit. The President is responsible for his own decisions. If he took bad advice that's still his fault because he chose who he would listen to. Niether Bush nor Cheney have any excuse for their actions and neither does anyone who voted for them in 2004. I could forgive 2000, Bush claimed he was not interested in making war or nationbuilding but by 2004 it was quite obvious.

#271 | Posted by danni

Sorry, Danni, but it doesn't work that way. Bush and Cheney had a mission going in and they accomplished it. Obama is continuing with new orders to maintain what was gained.

What you are talking about is what every American would like to believe, but Washington is run by Wall Street--the banks.

I would love to believe that the POTUS is really a leader. He's a figurehead to place endless blame on. Blame EVERYTHING that happens.

Remember when Obama could do no wrong before he was POTUS? Now he can't do anything right, yet he continues down the same road unabated.

The US invaded Iraq so that the 'oil-men' in the white house could capture the virgin oil fields there.

The oil in iraq is not for america. that oil is going to china and india.

FDR didn't catch shit for collateral damage because Japan and Germany declared war on the US. It's like Lincoln not catching shit for burning Atlanta down-the general consensus was the inbred fuckers had it coming.

So? The reasons are irrelevant. You specifically asked why bush couldn't do what FDR did in four. I told you. Now you think that by moving the goalposts to the reasons the war was waged differently makes your point.

It doesn't. It simply means you've moved the goalposts. You asked a question why the war wasn't won in a more expedient manner. i told you. Now if you want to discuss why -- fine. I am willing to discusss a different topic. However, first youw ill have to admit I am right and then we'll move to your point, which as of now is simply a deflection away from mine, northgay.

Jesus, Tedly. Write in English you fucking moron.

#275 | POSTED BY MONTECORE

What part didn't you understand shit for brains? Let me guess, public schools?

#284 | Posted by Tedly

Tedly, kindly stop the moronic posts.

LOL!!!!

Wow! I can understand now why you don't post much.

"Which of Bush's policies put us in this very tough economic situation?"

Let's start with two unpaid for wars along with two unpaid for tax cuts for the wealth. Then we'll add some unpaid for Medicare Part D.
Stir in a little Alan Greenspan with zero interest rates fueling a housing bubble, remove a few regulations and voila....disaster.

The US invaded Iraq so that the 'oil-men' in the white house could capture the virgin oil fields there.

#286 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2011-12-15 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

The oil in iraq is not for america. that oil is going to china and india.

#287 | Posted by Lipzoidial

You are right.

But, the oil is being traded in dollars. This simple fact causes the dollar to be based on the oil standard.

Now the Federal Reserve can pump out dollars and increase the money supply and the value of the currency will stay the same.

The result is creating wealth out of thin air.

It's freaken brilliant and good for US, but taxes the world.

Give the DR a break and don't come back.

#226 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2011-12-15 01:14 PM

Now, tell us again how my post at #22 was partisan.

and what did I say was moronic?

Are you actually following this conversation?

#277 | Posted by Eddie

you can't follow your own conversation?

again you make a me lmao!

Here it is again:
Serious Eddie. 10 fucking years to defeat al queda and kill bin laden? FDR whipped Japan AND aided in the defeat of Germany in less than 4. And those guys had real armies.And fleets. And air forces. And tanks. [and shit]
#232 | Posted by northguy3

#268 | Posted by Eddie

as I said..pretty "moronic" to say it took 10 years...it only took 2 and a half years once the adults were back in charge and they stopped pretending to play war.

remove a few regulations

#290 | Posted by danni at 2011-12-15 02:04 PM

Jesus, Tedly. Write in English you fucking moron.

#275 | POSTED BY MONTECORE

What part didn't you understand shit for brains? Let me guess, public schools?

#284 | Posted by Tedly at 2011-12-15 02:01 PM

Close... Tranny school.

"Which of Bush's policies put us in this very tough economic situation?"

Let's start with two unpaid for wars along with two unpaid for tax cuts for the wealth. Then we'll add some unpaid for Medicare Part D.
Stir in a little Alan Greenspan with zero interest rates fueling a housing bubble, remove a few regulations and voila....disaster.

#290 | Posted by danni

I hate to say this, but if Libya, Venezuela, Iraq and Iran were successful at avoiding trading through OPEC, then the dollar would lose all of it's value.

What kind of economic mess do you think we'd be in if the dollar went south against other currencies? Lost all of its value.

as I said..pretty "moronic" to say it took 10 years...it only took 2 and a half years once the adults were back in charge and they stopped pretending to play war.

#293 | Posted by donnerboy at 2011-12-15 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ignore Flag.

When you can behave yourself, you can come back in with the grownups.

I wonder who will be the first lib to announce that Obama lost the war in Iraq. I'm sure it will be one of the ones who claimed Nixon lost the war in Vietnam. LOL

#282 | Posted by goatman

Sorry....That prize will will have to go to Fox News. (LOL)

Wow! I can understand now why you don't post much.

#289 | POSTED BY EDDIE

Eddie, learn from your parents mistake and use birth control, PLEASE. You and Danni are constant proof the God has a sense of humor. And to think I could have been your Dad had the dude in front of me wanted change back.

"What part didn't you understand shit for brains? Let me guess, public schools?
#284 | Posted by Tedly"

"than"? "if"? Clearly, your parents wasted that private school money. (When even Eddie is calling you out, you know you're in trouble.)

-Close... Tranny school.

well, technically it was a "Tranny Academy"

Close... Tranny school.

#295 | Posted by crispee_oc

There's schools for that? Who knew?

There's schools for that?

#302 | Posted by Eddie at 2011-12-15 02:14 PM

#299 | Posted by Tedly

Yet, you never post anything worth reading...

Always to ridicule someone else.

You're a joke.

Ignore Flag.

When you can behave yourself, you can come back in with the grownups.

#297 | Posted by Eddie

lmao

you really are a barrel of laughs today.

thx

tedly was right ...like a blind squirrel...playing with nuts.

There's schools for that?

#302 | Posted by Eddie at 2011-12-15 02:14 PM

roflmao

#303 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2011-12-15 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag: Thinks I'm being serious

And I'm not even trolling.

Sorry....That prize will will have to go to Fox News. (LOL)

#298 | Posted by donnerboy

Good point, dummerboy, and I'm sure you are right. A lib would never be honest enough to apply the same rules to Obama as they do to Nixon.

tedly was right ...like a blind squirrel...playing with nuts.

#305 | Posted by donnerboy

This whole "ass being handed to you" doesn't "sit" right with you, does it?

You're doing it to yourself.

Try not to be so partisan.

Three Cheers to the Red, White, and Screwed
To those who believe we are leaving
With 16,000 more mercs on their way
We will see more US deaths another day

And to those who think Obama did this
To those so easily lead asunder
He tried to extend our stay
But they said "no way
Enough with the plunder"

So wrap yourself up in the flag
Pretend this is something worth celebrating
But you know as well as do I
This is a lie
We are just masturbating.

So three cheers to the Red, White, and Screwed
To the warhawks, both old and new
You have thrown the world into Hell
You did so well
And so fuck you

Goatshart is really arguing that the reason Bush did not successfully wage the Iraq war in a shorter period was a fear of liberal hand-wringing over civilian deaths?

I have an opinion on this but before I reveal it I would like to know, exactly, what problem you have with this.

I mean...it's not like the left in this country didn't agonize over every single fatality in Iraq before obama took office and then went to sleep.

Sorry....That prize will will have to go to Fox News. (LOL)

#298 | Posted by donnerboy

Good point, dummerboy, and I'm sure you are right. A lib would never be honest enough to apply the same rules to Obama as they do to Nixon.

#307 | Posted by goatman

Ouch! Goatman, now that was a little too harsh. But they need to know that their messiah is just another neocon.

Goatshart is really arguing that the reason Bush did not successfully wage the Iraq war in a shorter period was a fear of liberal hand-wringing over civilian deaths?

LOL

I had to turn off my ProComm script to see who wrote this. I knew it was either m'boor or jackass. I was right. That old codger is still obsessing with me even though I haven't said a word to him in years. I have a feeling this isn't his only post recently either -- just the only one that snuck by my filter thanks to a C&P.

I must be under his skin a lot, a lot worse than anyone else here -- even dullifidian. I love it when I can pwn the weak minded like him without even having to address them.

ProComm script back on now.

I have a problem with it because it isn't right. Bush had no interest in ending the Iraq war in a hurry. His supporters were making billions and billions of dollars off the escapade. That's why it was waged the way it was. (For example, massive areas of Iraq's infrastructure was purposely destroyed, and then billions in no bid contracts were awarded to rebuild them.)

I mean...it's not like the left in this country didn't agonize over every single fatality in Iraq before obama took office and then went to sleep.

#310 | Posted by eberly

I wasn't going to go there today, but it looks like the convenient lose of memory among the Left today is getting worse. denial.

(When even Eddie is calling you out, you know you're in trouble.)

#300 | POSTED BY MONTECORE

Yea I know but he needed a reason to feel good about himself so I helped him out. Thanks for pointing out the lack of proof reading on my part though.

You're a joke.

#304 | POSTED BY EDDIE

No Eddie I'm cynical, you're a joke. Big difference. But please continue you are very entertaining today.

Poor Goatie. Doesn't understand that I love the current arrangement. I get to ridicule him, and he can't respond because he pretends not to read my posts. Best of both worlds.

you pukes and history hacks need to understand the only real reason we went in - Iraq was going to trade oil for food (really not food but the funds for food) with Euros instead of Dollars. That is all, but a very big all if you consider where 7 percent of the planet's oil is from and who needs to use it...It's all in the DOE timeline if you really care about facts.

So bottom line - we put our junk into a meat grinder and it started turning....we took many years to realize it hurts and rather then shred it all up we decided to pull out....still hurts but we still have a stub left over.... and we can still trade oil for increasingly declining dollars....and like pubiscent teens we will eventually try to stick our junk into another meat grinder .

I have a problem with it because it isn't right. Bush had no interest in ending the Iraq war in a hurry. His supporters were making billions and billions of dollars off the escapade. That's why it was waged the way it was. (For example, massive areas of Iraq's infrastructure was purposely destroyed, and then billions in no bid contracts were awarded to rebuild them.)

#313 | Posted by mOntecOre

Yeah, Bush took our fine young people to die to help his cronies.

The President of The United States destroyed 100's of thousands lives for his own personal gain.

When I say it, it sounds so much more convincing.

Never ridicule me again you idiot! LOL!!!

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta marked the end of the U.S. war in Iraq at a highly symbolic ceremony Thursday.

The ceremony wasn't the only thing "highly symbolic," so is our "leaving."

You're right, Eddie. No one ever does bad things for money. You are one naive child.

Yeah, Bush took our fine young people to die to help his cronies.

The President of The United States destroyed 100's of thousands lives for his own personal gain.

When I say it, it sounds so much more convincing.

Never ridicule me again you idiot! LOL!!!

#318 | Posted by Eddie at 2011-12-15 02:33 PM

By the way, I somewhat agree with you. I don't place all the blame on Bush. He was a patsy, looking to avenge the assassination attempt on his daddy. Cheney was the "mastermind," if you can use that word.

Oh, nevermind the part about reasonableness. I completely misread that.

I won't attempt to determine what GWB "thought" or "wanted". I don't do that to Obama either. I'll leave that to the cheerleaders.

But the reaction of the left to the Iraq war (as well as the MSM) changed over time when Obama took office.

Example....Cindy Sheehan was the heroine of the left until it was clear she was going to actually be consistent and continue her war protesting to a dem administration.

She got moved to being back page news almost immediately at that point.

Another example...the Drudge Retort. Remember those constant casualty threads? stopped virtually instantly once it was clear that Obama would have to start owning fatalities in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But the lefties want folks to believe their outrage was legitimate.

sure........

One of the great mysteries of the universe is the nearly complete disappearance of Bush voters from the planet Earth, especially as someone here noted, those who voted for him a second time after he had already lied us into a war.

"Which of Bush's policies put us in this very tough economic situation?"

Let's start with two unpaid for wars along with two unpaid for tax cuts for the wealth. Then we'll add some unpaid for Medicare Part D.
Stir in a little Alan Greenspan with zero interest rates fueling a housing bubble, remove a few regulations and voila....disaster.

#290 | Posted by danni at 2011-12-15 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Thank you for the response.

Now.

Did Obamam continue those wars and even add an incursion, al la Libya. He just ended one, after three years, so I'll give him credit where it is due?

Has Obama extended those tax cuts for the wealthy?

Has Obama kept those unpaid portions of Medicare Part D? Did he introduce "Obamacare"? How is he funding it exactly?

Has O raised the interest rates on borrowing, thus stemming the current bubble being pumped up again?

Before you try jump on me, if you don't think he can tell Bernake to change his policies (as they are supposed to be independant), then you shouldn't make the arguement that Bush had any control over Greenspan. So you can't really say that is was Bush's fault. I happen to think Bush and Obama can influence the Fed, so I think it's both of their faults.

The ceremony wasn't the only thing "highly symbolic," so is our "leaving."

Newsworthy

So bottom line - we put our junk into a meat grinder and it started turning....we took many years to realize it hurts and rather then shred it all up we decided to pull out....still hurts but we still have a stub left over.... and we can still trade oil for increasingly declining dollars....and like pubiscent teens we will eventually try to stick our junk into another meat grinder .

#317 | Posted by mutant

You missed a minor detail. In the last four years, they increased the money supply by some 20% instead of the nominal 2-4% a year. They created wealth out of thin air. The cost of the war is negligible.

But we'll never see that wealth.

One of the great mysteries of the universe is the nearly complete disappearance of Bush voters from the planet Earth, especially as someone here noted, those who voted for him a second time after he had already lied us into a war.

#325 | Posted by Corky at 2011-12-15 02:42 PM

I have, however, seen this "great mystery" used to attack some of the indies on this site who dare question Obama's policies.

One of the great mysteries of the universe is the nearly complete disappearance of Bush voters from the planet Earth,

obviously a lot of folks here must have voted for him.

who do you think is lying about not voting for him?

You're right, Eddie. No one ever does bad things for money. You are one naive child.

#320 | Posted by mOntecOre

rofl!

Again!

You said that Bush brought the US into war to feather his nest. To help his cronies!

LOL! AGAIN!! Never ridicule me again you idiot.

I called you out and you STILL can't defend your idiotic statement.

Of course it was for money. Bush and his cronies were rewarded handsomely. But it wasn't to build wealth of just a few people, it was to secure AND to grow the wealth of ALL the rich people in the world who hold most of their assets in US currency or US banks or in US based companies or other US protectorates.

It was an Economic War!

We all know that.

#324 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Good point. But it seems one poster kept up with the death toll for quite some time after that. I think he just got tired of be ridiculed and told to fuck off. Personally I was one of those guilty of that and do regret any disrespect towards soldiers wounded or killed doing what they were ordered to do. TH, you keep posting all the casualty numbers you want, just don't assign blame to one party or another. It took both parties to kill that many people.

We all know that.

#331 | Posted by Eddie

well... except for Danni

It took both parties to kill that many people.

#332 | Posted by Tedly at 2011-12-15 02:50 PM

It took 1 commander in chief to send us there. Yes, congress gave him bipartisan approval but the buck stops with the C-in-C.

#334 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Bush's fault....

I just had to say that.

Misson Accompfuckshit*

*Been too long without someone posting that.

obviously a lot of folks here must have voted for him.
who do you think is lying about not voting for him?
#330 | Posted by eberly

Not me .. it's a goddamn shame He can't run again, I would vote for Him again.

phester, that means he can't call you a liar.

I want to know who he is calling a liar.

It took 1 commander in chief to send us there. Yes, congress gave him bipartisan approval but the buck stops with the C-in-C

So supporting the C-in-C going to war to fill your pockets is ok because the buck stops with him? That's equivalent to being cleared of murder charges because your boss told you to kill your supervisor so you could have his job.

Bottom line had G.W. Bush gone in and wiped out Iraq in and decimated the country in 1 year, then used the oil to rebuild that country into a new America, he'd be a fucking hero and not a traitor.

So supporting the C-in-C going to war to fill your pockets is ok because the buck stops with him? That's equivalent to being cleared of murder charges because your boss told you to kill your supervisor so you could have his job.

#340 | Posted by Tedly at 2011-12-15 03:03 PM

Bottom line had G.W. Bush gone in and wiped out Iraq in and decimated the country in 1 year, then used the oil to rebuild that country into a new America, he'd be a fucking hero and not a traitor.

#340 | Posted by Tedly at 2011-12-15 03:03 PM

The World According to a Bush Voter

A new survey reveals that Bush supporters choose to keep faith in their leader than face reality.

Bush's fault....

#335 | Posted by Eddie at 2011-12-15 02:54 PM

But don't diminish Bush's role in it with "both parties did it" while Bush was C-in-C.

I guess my next question would be, if Bush had no or very limited support for reentering Iraq' would he have chose a different path? Would the war have ended shortly after or even before it started? If Bush had no support I would agree that the buck stops with him but he had overwhelming bipartisan support so lets give Bush 60% of the buck and Congress carries the change and should be held accountable as well.

Fair?

Misson Accompfuckshit*

*Been too long without someone posting that.

#336 | Posted by kanrei

Kanrei didn't read the thread...

rofl

Kanrei didn't read the thread...

rofl

#345 | Posted by Eddie at 2011-12-15 03:39 PM |

345 posts? You are fucking right I didn't. I did do a search for "fuckshit" and found nothing.

Bush's fault....

#335 | Posted by Eddie at 2011-12-15 02:54 PM

Yes, it was.

#343 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

And it wasn't Obama's fault...

(let's see if he gets it)

And Eddie didn't read my post. Nobody has said "Misson Accompfuckshit."

Just stick with Duh Eddie.

You are wrong it was

Mission Accomplishitfucked.

GEES

345 posts? You are fucking right I didn't. I did do a search for "fuckshit" and found nothing.

#346 | Posted by kanrei

You didn't read the 50.

Post 50 Eddie?

Show me "Mission Accompfuckshit"

see- no-evil diplomacy and checkbook capitalism wins applause from countries like Russia, Venezuela, Serbia and many Muslim nations that also embrace aspects of capitalism but reject the messy political freedoms that the West advocates.

The only difference in the Bush years being the "messy political freedom" stuff.

Recently we have stood up to some dictators and checkbook capitalism is, one supposes, preferable to gunboat (or missile) capitalism/diplomacy.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2011-12-15 11:07 AM |

Stick with Duh.

Mission Accomplishitfucked.

GEES

#349 | Posted by truthhurts at 2011-12-15 03:42 PM

I did get it wrong, but still not here =D

#347 | Posted by Eddie at 2011-12-15 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag: Retarded

had G.W. Bush gone in and wiped out Iraq in and decimated the country in 1 year, then used the oil to rebuild that country into a new America, he'd be a fucking hero and not a traitor.

But he didn't, retard.

#347 | Posted by Eddie at 2011-12-15 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag: Retarded
#353 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Have you ever considered you're being too kind and giving the idiot the benefit of the doubt?

"If Bush had no support I would agree that the buck stops with him but he had overwhelming bipartisan support so lets give Bush 60% of the buck and Congress carries the change and should be held accountable as well."

Much depends on what information Bush had provided to Congress. Unfortunately much depends on how much of it they bothered to read as well so I have to agree that a percentage of the blame does have to be laid at the feet of all in Congress who approved the use of force.

Another dumb ass's cold stupidity cost us 55,000 deaths...JFK.

55,000 troops died in VN ( which I assume you refer to) under JFK? LBJ played no role?
Nixon has no responsibility?

So Obama bears 0 responsibility for deths in Iraq and afghanistan? I don't think even the leftest of us would go that far.

But he didn't, retard.

#354 | POSTED BY JOE

Nor did Obama fuck stick whats your point?

Joe, I'm assuming your birth certificate is a letter of apology from The Trojan Condom Company?

AND obama didn't win, btw, northgay. FDR did. A big point.

True, but FDR didn't have a surrender document signed before he was elected.

AND if Obama is so great, why didn't he stay one more year and finish the job?

Because the Iraqi pawns refused to give immunity to American troops. I expect you would have loved to have seen US troops run through show trials and executed, so you could blame Obama for not leaving per George W bush's agreed schedule.

Goatsy- when you were whining that Bush lost in Iraq because he didn't have Russia on his side in Iraq (like FDR did in WW2), were you indicating that the American military, the world's most expensive and armed military in history is what-too stupid, too lazy or too inferior to defeat a "few dead-enders and Saddam loyalists"? Sure sounded like you were taking a dump on the military. Typical un-Americanism from a Texan, but still...

Ike, Nixon, Ford and Bush - the white flag C-in-Cs.

Oh yeah-Reagan, too.

Sure sounded like you were taking a dump on the military.

Your twisting of other people's words is well documented and again noted, northgay.

Do you otherwise have a point?

Ike, Nixon, Ford and Bush - the white flag C-in-Cs.

And Obama. Or did the news forget to report him winning that war?

BTW, what war did Ike "white flag"? Do you really need that history lesson again? Ford -- what about him?

Why is the left so intent on this history revision thing, northgay? I guess it's just part of the lying we all keep seeing. Oh well. It may work in y'all's echo chambers, but not so much with those of us with a brain.

whats your point?

That your imaginary scenario of what didn't happen has no relevance to anything.

I could say "If Bush cut taxes and balanced the budget and left office with a 4% unemployment rate everyone would be saying he was a good president." That statement means nothing, because Bush didn't do that.

Sohe-let me ask you a question no other righty has the guts to answer-if Obama is responsible for events in afghanistan and Iraq following his election (and he is) isn't Nixon responsible for events in VN, including the surrender?

#167 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3 AT 2011-12-15 12:33 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I'm not a righty. I voted for Nader. Just because I can see through Obama's bullshit and have since the beginning does not mean I support the Republicans.

That out of the way, you bet your ass Nixon is responsible for that mess. I don't think we belonged there, either. Now, I was not alive at the time and can only judge from what history books and the media have told me, but he could have gotten us out far cleaner. Sickeningly enough but true nonetheless, he also could have committed a larger force and just taken the place over. Either way would have been better than what actually happened.

Today that nightmare is finally over for most of us but it will live on for the thousands and thousands of wounded vets, families of dead soldiers, etc.
#178 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2011-12-15 12:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG

It's only been one day and I'm already sick of this lie. Instead of having our soldiers there, we're paying mercenaries to be there. How, exactly, the fuck is this nightmare "over"? To claim as much is a fucking lie, and why does anyone expect anything else of chocolate Bush?

That your imaginary scenario of what didn't happen has no relevance to anything.
I could say "If Bush cut taxes and balanced the budget and left office with a 4% unemployment rate everyone would be saying he was a good president." That statement means nothing, because Bush didn't do that.

#362 | POSTED BY JOE

I take you don't understand hypothetical questions then. Kind of odd being here on a discussion board.

Sorry about the condom remark, didn't realize who I was dealing with. You are absolutely 100% correct Joe. I am a retard, Bush did indeed fail to do what I hypothetically suggested in my post. Who'd a thought it would take a pure genius such as yourself to bring that to light?

No, Bush didn't go to the UN to get authorization to enforce the mandates because he knew the UN wanted Blixx to keep searching for WMD ( a task that ultimately would have proved there were none). He kept saying he would ask the Security Council, but from spying on the individual nations' meetings, he knew he was fucked.
#153 | Posted by northguy3 at
Makes one wonder why the slam dunk intelligence of WMD was not communicated to the inspectors.
#241 | Posted by truthhurts at 2011-12-15 01:29 PM

Because the Patriot Act doesn't extend to non-Americans and anthrax would look too obvious, even to R-tards.

Logically, not all mystery intelligence said "yes WMD's", we only get to know about the part that produced cartoons to prove it.

Media is the most obvious part of secret intelligence - no scrutiny, fact checking or pointed questions without prior scripting.

Oh.

You're right then. Had G.W. Bush gone in and wiped out Iraq in and decimated the country in 1 year, then used the oil to rebuild that country into a new America, he'd be a hero.

Fantastic point, sir!

To claim as much is a fucking lie, and why does anyone expect anything else of chocolate Bush?

#364 | Posted by soheifox

Gee you almost made sense.... right up to when you resorted to becoming a racist...

You guys can't make up your mind whether we surrendered or we will be there forever.

But, it is certain that the effects of the Bush Error will be felt for decades.

At least our troops are out of there. This is another small step for Man.

Fantastic point, sir!

#367 | POSTED BY JOE

You're trying to play Pinochle with a Poker deck aren't you?