Effect of GOM leak? Co2? Clathraye ice melts? Sun spots?

Zat what are u advocating? Are uafter co2 extortion?

This jerkoff should kill himself now before he burns to death.

"Zat what are u advocating?"

Aw, shit! Now we have to have Zatoitchy with clenched teeth and bulging veins posting reams and reams of bullshit he gets from reading a bunch of dead "scientists" from the 18th and 19th centuries. Thanks, Reitze!

#3 | Posted by jestgettinalong

This is how this works:

a) Zatoichi posts some article on how global warming is effecting the world.

b) A bunch of global warming questioners point out other articles that don't agree with Zatoichi's article.

c) Zatoichi posts more articles as if to convince us of the error of our ways.

d) We post more articles that show the data is crooked.

e) Zatoichi will then start tossing insults about out lack of intelligence, our politics and our family heritage.

f) Finally Zatoichi will post that we have already screwed the environment and are doomed to our own extinction.

"articles that don't agree"

Knock yourself out.

GRACE also measures the Antarctic.

Letter abstract

Nature Geoscience 2, 859 - 862 (2009)
Published online: 22 November 2009 | doi:10.1038/ngeo694

Subject Categories: Climate science | Cryospheric science
Accelerated Antarctic ice loss from satellite gravity measurements

J. L. Chen1, C. R. Wilson1,2, D. Blankenship3 & B. D. Tapley1

"A bunch of global warming questioners point out other articles that don't agree with Zatoichi's article."

Most of which having been debunked repeatedly.

#1 | Posted by reitze
#2 | Posted by Ray
#4 | Posted by paneocon

.....Zat.......you are casting pearls before swine........

the duration of my study is too short to establish a long-term trend ~
however I just walked the dog .. and .. in Ohio it's getting colder .. NOT warmer

I'll post pics later of ice that wasn't there last week & try to make some graphs ..
my Husky loves the shit outa this climate phenom -

The important thing is that, for whatever reason, the earth is warming and the polar ice caps are melting and the sea levels are rising. That is happening now and it's measurable.

"It goes against science"

#11 | Posted by Lipzoidial

bring it on! it's fucking freezing outside.

and so what if the earth warms a few degrees?

we'll adapt. people may not be able to live along the oceans. big fucking deal.

there's more land in texas alone for every us individual to live in a nice 1200 sq ft hi-rise. just build up.

and in no time there be will another ice-age.

and then another warm up.

don't think like you matter so much as you don't.

you live and die - that sums up your earthly existence.

and quit w/ the nonsense of "what we leave our children".

they're pretty much as insignificant as anyone else.

just good political fodder.

Great. Maybe we can save on heating oil bills if this keeps up.

To even suggest that humans burning fossil fuels for 200 years would not affect our thin atmosphere is madness. Pure and simple. It goes against science and it goes against common sense.

So? And? What's next? If you say anything like "tax", "pay", "credits" or "Behavior change"...Fuck you...

"What's next?"

You die, stupid.

You die, stupid.

Isnt that going to happen anyway?

"Isnt that going to happen anyway?"

Certainly.

No reason to worry about the Muslims either, using that logic.

#4 | Posted by paneocon

Well it look like my predictions came true. Thanks to all who made this possible,

Well it look like my predictions came true. Thanks to all who made this possible,

Let's recap:

a) Zatoichi posts some article on how global warming is effecting the world. √

b) A bunch of global warming questioners point out other articles that don't agree with Zatoichi's article.
No articles posted, no science posted, didn't even bother with the debunked crap that's usually posted.

c) Zatoichi posts more articles as if to convince us of the error of our ways.
√ plus others posted supporting articles, analysis and data.

d) We post more articles that show the data is crooked.
Again, none. Striking out big time on your predictions.

e) Zatoichi will then start tossing insults about out lack of intelligence, our politics and our family heritage.
√ on the intelligence and demonstrably warranted. Nada on your idiotic politics or your "family heritage." Telling you'd include that.

No! That's not true!

Don't you know we're all going to be wandering the Outback, carrying crossbows and fighting each other for water and petrol in the Thunderdome?

#20 | Posted by YAV

You are correct on B and D, I guess Zatoichi, like most of the global warming folks, have cried wolf so often that no one listens or cares. I guess you could say "the science is settled".

Nothing to see here, folks. Keep on moving.

All those reports of glacial recession across the planet, don't pay attention to any of that.

You die, stupid.

Isnt that going to happen anyway?

#17 | Posted by boaz

But the choice being made is dying stupid.

So? And? What's next? If you say anything like "tax", "pay", "credits" or "Behavior change"...Fuck you...

#15 | Posted by boaz

You bring up a good point. (So? And? What's Next?.....). That is the trillion dollar qustion, ain't it?

As much as i want to disagree with Zatoichi's answer 'you die', I really can't make a logical argument against it.

If we've learned anything concrete in the last ten years, that we never really learned before, it is how deeply corporations and banks are in charge of all the world's governments.

The second thing we should learn (but haven't) is that humans no longer live in a natural environment. We live in a manufactured environment and we are slaves to those manufacturers. At present, those manufacturers would have to stop manufacturing in order to stop polluting.

And that ain't gonna happen, even if the last person living uses the last ounce of energy on earth and produces the last ounce of pollution.

#4 | Posted by paneocon at 2011-12-10 02:14 PM | Reply | Flag: LFMAO!

Like Paneocon said in #4:

1. Zat posts anecdote indicating "it's hotter on earth"
2. Others post other anecdotes.
3. Others demonstrate Zat's view = religion
4. Some inquire Zat's motives
5. Zat doesn't answer
6. Some speculate it's another CO2 tax/extortion attempt
7. Zat curses everyone to extinction (good he's not Merlin)

How's Zat?

"Some costal communities are formulating 50 and 100 year plans to deal with the coming rise in sea level."

LOL...They don't know what's gonna happen in 2012 never mind 50 and 100 years from now...except Algore and Zatoitchy of course. They know everything because they study Zat's scientific, peer-reviewed swimming pool for answers to the future. Actually, Algore recently built a big new home with five fireplaces on the beach in Florida which is supposed to be under water in ten years. He's doing quite well with his projects and investments in "green" energy. Get a clue, LIPZ! Zats still just stuck with his pool trying to educate those of us in the "great unwashed."

d) We post more articles that show the data is crooked.

You can post whatever article you want to show that there is something "wrong" with the data, but three days ago, it was 70 degrees here in south carolina.

Normally, it's in the mid-30s to mid-40's this time of year and it stays that way until winter hits and sets in in january. Then it will be really cold for a month and a half then warm back up into the 60's.

When I was a kid, the cold period lasted from November to March. Now it lasts from January to mid-February.

I don't need reams and reams of data to tell me something is fucked up.

"d) We post more articles that show the data is crooked."

Translation: We lie and pretend the ice isn't melting.

The science was done in the middle of the nineteenth century you dismally ignorant excuse for a pathetic joke: More carbon in the atmosphere, more heat gets strapped. That's it. There ain't no more. It's been too late since about 1980.

Get a clue, LIPZ! Zats still just stuck with his pool trying to educate those of us in the "great unwashed."

#28 | Posted by jestgettinalong

The oceans are already rising. It is measurable, it is known. It requires no politics or faith.

The earth is warming by decimals of a degree each year, but the earth doesn't follow humans time-table. As such, that does not mean there will be no winter.

It does, however mean that storms will get more severe, in the winter and in the summer. That is also happening now, it is measurable too.

I have no political dog in this fight. I am an engineer. I have no interest at all whether the global warming is caused by man or nature, just that IT IS HAPPENING and it will comletely flood the coastal plains over the next 20 decades and it can't be stopped. Florida will eventually be completely underwater.

"...but three days ago, it was 70 degrees here in south carolina."

It was even warmer than that in Zat's pool. If you keep advertising warm temperatures you're gonna be inundated with all those ignorant snowbirds from the blue states up north who don't like us and who are a big pain in the ass. The worst part is that they decide to RELOCATE due to the lack of unions, lower taxes, better economy, lower prices etc. Then, they spend a lotta time telling us how we should do everything like they do it up North and bitching because they serve grits for breakfast in the restaurants. I always tell 'em how bad it is here and they should vacation in California.

BTW, while we are on the subject.

I have read several studies that suggest most of the carbon (increase)that is STILL trapped in our atmosphere (where else can it go?) was emmitted during the early industrial revolution (late 1800's to early 1900's).

I can remember, even in my lifetime, traveling to birmingham alabama, and it was so polluted by unchecked steel mills belching coal smoke, that country bumpkins like us was literally made sick from spending the day in the city and breathing the air. This was as recent as the late 60's.

"I have no interest at all whether the global warming is caused by man or nature,..."

Ditto. Warming and cooling has happened over and over for eons. No reason to expect it won't continue whether we drive SUV's or Chevy Volts.

"IT IS HAPPENING and it will comletely flood the coastal plains over the next 20 decades..."

Maybe, maybe not. 200 years is a long time, we might even see a new ice age first.

"...and it can't be stopped."

Not by us anyway.

"Florida will eventually be completely underwater."

Evidently Algore ain't buyin' that.

Warming and cooling has happened over and over for eons.

That's the head in the sand approach that will surely work this time.

"I can remember, even in my lifetime, traveling to birmingham alabama, and it was so polluted by unchecked steel mills belching coal smoke, that country bumpkins like us was literally made sick from spending the day in the city and breathing the air. This was as recent as the late 60's."

I'm 100% in favor of improving air quality, clean rivers and lakes, etc. It HAS improved over time and I just don't think it should be done in a manner that rapidly destroys our economy while giving a free ride to China, India, Mexico, Africa, South America etc. etc. This big "green" energy movement by the the present administration is ruining us and costing immensely. Solyndra is only the tip of the iceburg. Let's get back to being reasonable!

"I can remember, even in my lifetime, traveling to birmingham alabama, and it was so polluted by unchecked steel mills belching coal smoke, that country bumpkins like us was literally made sick from spending the day in the city and breathing the air. This was as recent as the late 60's."

Birmingham in the 60's! Are you sure it was fumes from burning crosses?

"That's the head in the sand approach that will surely work this time."

And you think if I start driving a Chevy Volt and stop using my fireplace it will stop "climate change." Yeah, I suppose you do. Tell me though. At what average temperature of the Earth do you want to stop the climate from changing?

Why has 'behavior change' become such a despised idea? If we as individuals can make simple modifications to our daily routines which will benefit the planet, why all the fury? If your kids started smoking, wouldn't you encourage them to stop?

"If we as individuals can make simple modifications to our daily routines which will benefit the planet, why all the fury?"

I agree...one of the immediate benefits would be if we can get the OWS people to quit shittin' all over the planet and change their behavior to using sanitary facilities. An occasional bath would help too.

Evidently Algore ain't buyin' that.

#34 | Posted by jestgettinalong at

Al Bore is a fuckin' dumbass, whose only goal is to make a profit off of 'climate change hysteria'. He is to science what a pool of stagnant piss is to science.

Like everyone else, if he can't make a profit from it, he will just kick the can on down the road.

The true irony is that while rightwingers and science-deniers are doing everything they can to avoid consciously changing their own behavior in response to global warming, they unwittingly and increasingly are being forced to do so in reaction to the indisputable reality. They just don't get it yet. Like the child who refuses to acknowledge it is raining and yet finds himself avoiding all the puddles and buying an umbrella.

Why has 'behavior change' become such a despised idea?
#39 | Posted by moder8

I can agree with this. While I'm one of the first guys to bust Zatoichi bubble, I consider my responsibility to be a good steward of our environment. I make choices in my personal life to create less trash and to use less energy. I do these things in a financially responsible manner and in a way that doesn't greatly interfere with my life style. If I see incontrovertible proof that my current actions were doing permanent damage I would try to change my behavior. I'm more concerned about pollution and the explosion of non-recyclable trash than I am global warming.

It bothers me that the Global Warming folks have done enormous damage to the environmental movement by crying wolf and lying about a science that is far from settled while we forget that we can and should save resources and concern ourselves with our air and water quality.

I get it. The same government that can't do something as simple as balance a budget for the past forty years is going to save from that evil CO2. All we have to do is give up a few more freedoms and pay a little more money.

"All we have to do is give up a few more freedoms and pay a little more money."

That about sums it up.

Actually, that about sums up partisan Rightwing talking points on the politics of global warming. It has nothing to do with scientific reality.

Actually, that about sums up partisan Rightwing talking points on the politics of global warming. It has nothing to do with scientific reality.
#46 | POSTED BY MODER8

Take a cold shower. Except for a few hysterical whiners like you and Zat, nobody gives a shit. If you are so freaking worried, move north.

I guess Zatoichi, like most of the global warming folks, have cried wolf so often that no one listens or cares. I guess you could say "the science is settled".

Evidently there's some listening enough to dream up contrived rationalizations like since a major hurricane hasn't hit the US mainland in four years or whatever that means the predictions are wrong.

Except for a few hysterical whiners like you and Zat, nobody gives a shit. If you are so freaking worried, move north.

That's because most people like you and paneodumbass are dipshits who can't see past the end of their own dick. We humans just stumble from short-sighted fuck up to short-sighted fuck up and keep kicking the can down the road.

So maybe we can't stop it, but as moder said, why can't we at least take two seconds to think a little longer term than our own lifetimes?

...by crying wolf and lying about a science that is far from settled...

Care to post the contradictory data?

Not your bullshit climategate "scandals". Actual data. Real science not bullshit British tabloid shit.