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Monday, November 28, 2011

Muslim students, including trainee doctors on one of Britain's leading medical courses, are walking out of lectures on evolution claiming it conflicts with creationist ideas established in the Koran. "I had one or two slightly frisky discussions years ago with kids who belonged to fundamentalist Christian churches, now it is Islamic overwhelmingly," said Steve Jones, emeritus professor of human genetics at university college London.

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Religion is all bunk. Only weak-minded idiots follow the tenets of a fairy-tale to the letter.

these people are idiots...

can someone call them up for me and tell them i said so. thanks.

Damn idiots.

The Koran.. very clearly... supports evolution.

#3 - explain please. I'm not familiar with the Koran.

"Fundee Moslems are as Stupid as Fundee Christians."

Then make it a necessary part of the curriculum. ie, you don't get your MD degree unless you pass a test showing you are an expert in evolutionary biology. It is not necessary for them to believe anything.

I'm not familiar with the Koran.

You are now.

quran.com

#3 - explain please. I'm not familiar with the Koran.
#4 | Posted by BruceBanner

.....Here are a few introductory parts of the Koran that motivate Muslims to kill people.....there is more stuff about cutting off limbs, stoning people to death, flying horses, and other idiotic shit that only morons can believe....but space is limited, and Rcade will delete this as soon as he wakes up....

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter, but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Christianity and Islam resemble one another to the extent that they also resemble communism and fascism by promising adherents -- what Eric Hoffer called "True Believers" -- something better down the road.

these people are idiots

Well... stupidity doesn't stop at the Kansas state line.

The theory of Evolution would have been scrapped 50 years ago if it weren't for the only alternative.

I can't wait until OB-GYN students walk out of birth classes because they believe the stork brings babies.

LOL
Your the one that believes in spontaneous generation.

Your the one that believes in spontaneous generation.

#12 | Posted by Huguenot at 2011-11-28 02:15 PM

??? I believe in what?

You don't know what spontaneous generation is? Life sprouting from rocks.

Just post "Duh" from now on. Same depth of thought from you, but less time to read.

So how did life start?

I thought "Muslim Biology Class" involved which end of the Infidel to cut off and which end of the Goat to fu*k.

"You don't know what spontaneous generation is? Life sprouting from rocks."

My favorite example of this was that people used to believe that if you leave a pile of old clothes laying around, mice spontaneously generate there. They didn't realize that mice like to nest in things like that....

Not sure why you are attributing this to Kanrei but I'm sure the explanation will be a bad one...

Kan,
You have no sense of humor or "depth of thought". You apparently believe that babies have to come from "somewhere" but everything else doesn't have to come from "somewhere". If the universe doesn't need a creator but can just sprout up, then why not babies?

Why do people who believe science is evil sign up for science courses?

You apparently believe that babies have to come from "somewhere" but everything else doesn't have to come from "somewhere".

You got all that from a joke about OB-GYNs leaving class because they believe in the stork? You not only need help, but a clue.

If the universe doesn't need a creator but can just sprout up, then why not babies?

So you are calling me an Atheist? Is that your strawman of the day?

You need to find your sense of humor.

"If the universe doesn't need a creator but can just sprout up, then why not babies?"

That's assinine. Did your creator have a creator? If so, did his creator have a creator? At some point going back there had to be a first of something that wasn't created by something else, right?

If your creator can just sprout up, then why not babies?

See how you "logic" is an utter failure?


You need to find your sense of humor.

#23 | Posted by Huguenot at 2011-11-28 02:28 PM

Try posting something humorous. You got retarded down pat.

Like I said before, only one messiah apart.

If your creator can just sprout up, then why not babies?

Exactly!

#20 | POSTED BY SULLY

So they can articulate specifically what it is they don't believe.

Wow, this Huguenot poster up here just posted some of the most hilarious and mind-numbing drivel I've ever seen on the internet. Keep up the great work, Hugo! That's brilliant satire!

The Koran.. very clearly... supports evolution.

#3 | Posted by Tosser

Earlier this year Usama Hasan, iman of the Masjid al-Tawhid mosque in Leyton,received death threats for suggesting that Darwinism and Islam might be compatible.

Your personal death threat will be along shortly blasphemer.

At some point going back there had to be a first of something that wasn't created by something else, right?

#24 | Posted by Sully at 2011-11-28 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Correct, and so far we are finding out that the Universe is not that uncreated thing. That is that problem.

if god wanted to send an asteroid right at earth, he might first make it a planet, and then, hitting that planet might be an asteroid-- splitting that planet in many pieces, one of which was to be directed at earth, which it will hit, 50,000 years later (perhaps tomorrow).

so of course god could make an apolitical liberal monkey or a radical fundamentalist ape knowing that it could some day, through environmental and social situations become any one of the posters typing away on this darling little blog here in 2011.

darwin, being almost completely bald, was once the shiny ass of a particularly brilliant ancient baboon.

A Universe of Nothing:
Dr. Lawrence Krauss
www.youtube.com
Warning to superstitious, credulous, scape-goaters: Do not clink on the link, you may learn something.

darwin, being almost completely bald, was once the shiny ass of a particularly brilliant ancient baboon.

But before that he was star dust. Forget Jesus, folks. Countless stars had to die so that you may live (Segan 3:16). Seriously, how fucking cool is that! Beats any burning bush/flying horse story with a stick.

#33 | POSTED BY BLUSKY

Stars die? Not in the same sense as humans die. Billions of stars had to "reach fruition" in order for humans to exist. It was a certain order of events - you know, as in an order to the universe.

Evolution involves circumstance. Life necessitates circumstance (certain distance from the sun). As of now, there is only one entity in the entirety of existence that has the capability of even questioning existence itself - and we're it. It took billions of stars to reach fruition over billions of years and the development of science in order for that entity to become self-aware and capable of discerning the reality of anything. That in itself should be quite telling in regards to which explanations we should and should not pursue concerning the existence of everything and anything.

Evolution must be a myth.

Everyone knows were all the inbred offspring of a couple of white people who couldn't follow simple instructions regarding what to eat.

The main objection of the religious leaders of any sect to Evolution is that it takes away from their power. It is pretty hard to deny unless you bury your head in the sand every time it is brought up (many do). Religion and Evolution are not mutually exclusive though; but that also does not mean they are compatible in the eyes of the fervent every word literal crowd either (Even though we don't know the actual words...)

I certainly believe in evolution. I might have to question it when they find the first human parts in a dino fossil and I am not too worried about that.

As of now, there is only one entity in the entirety of existence that has the capability of even questioning existence itself - and we're it.

So, uh, we are all, like, one, brother?

Or are there a few billion entities capable of questioning existence itself?

It was a certain order of events - you know, as in an order to the universe.

Those are two different things. A "certain order of events" is just a timeline. "Order to the universe" means the universe is not just a homogenous fog of particles evenly distributed, but rather vast regions of emptiness interwoven by filaments of galaxy clusters.

if you want a definition of the "order" of the universe, look no further than: cheeseburger, large fries and a coke.

to which explanations we should and should not pursue concerning the existence of everything and anything.
"God did it" isn't an explanation. It doesn't explain anything and only posses more questions. It is the end of a pursuit, not the beginning.

as in an order to the universe
Are you mad? The universe is a bubbling cauldron of chaos. The Andromeda Galaxy is heading right toward us at 120 kps and will wipe out everyone and everything. Some "order".

I might have to question it when they find the first human parts in a dino fossil

The ability to state up-front what evidence might change your mind is lost on a theist. Find squirrel bones in the Pre-Cambrian layer and even Richard Dawkins has to go back to school. You'll get no such admission from a creationist or young earther. No amount of evidence or lack thereof will change their mind. That is the most obvious distinction between scientific explanations and the psudoscientific ones.

#39 | Posted by BluSky

Sorry for the lack of clarity - it was a joke.

#39 | POSTED BY BLUSKY

I think you misinterpreted my posts as well. Consider the context I was using as pro-science and agreeing with your assertions.

Some "order".
#39 | POSTED BY BLUSKY

Order was in reference to the order in which events are put together on a time line - a series of events.

My point was that there was a series of events that took place over a span of billions of years, all to which I consider were circumstantial (i.e. not preordained, planned, or created by a single all knowing being), and that series of events has a certain order (on a timeline aswell as in regards to mathematics/physics/evolution) . If it wasn't for the circumstantial order of events and parameters in regards to the capabilities of a specific matter's (in the sense of physics) interaction with its environment, there would be no way to trace the line of history going back to the origination of the human species, the earth, the solar system, etc. Questions are made, then partially answered, to which opens the door for more questions. And so goes science: an ever closer approximation regarding the way the universe (multiverse?) works.

*****Muslims Object to Evolution Too******

......evolution ?......they can't even get over cartoons .......

.....they won't be getting to the "understanding evolution" hurdle for generations......

- it was a joke.
Yeah, I got it. We were both making a SJ Gould reference (I think).

Rusty,
I took this, "which explanations we should and should not pursue" to mean you were implying 'god did it' is one of the possible explanations we should pursue. If that was not the case my apologies. Admittedly my fundie meter is prone to type 1 errors.

"......evolution ?......they can't even get over cartoons ......."

#43 | Posted by skizziks at 2011-11-28 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag: fucking hilarious flag (but the only button available just said "funny")

This will be on the Comedy Channel soon.
Achmed the Dead Terrorist no doubt.

"......evolution ?......they can't even get over cartoons ......."

It's weird.

Unlike Abraham, Moses, Jesus, et al, Mohammad is an actual historical figure. He also caused a great deal of trouble.

Maybe he didn't like 'wanted-dad-or-alive' posters.

Zatoichi, I hear they are global warming deniers also. Nuke their camel riding asses.

Universally, Jesus is the most widely respected historic figure, period. Mohammad is a side note.

Got a link for that one?

#48 | POSTED BY GRACIEWILDER

Popularity contests don't mean shit - you should have learned that in high school.

"Universally, Jesus is the most widely respected historic figure, period."

Yes.

Universally, Jesus is widely respected for his lawn care abilities, roofing abilities, vegetables and other important activities.

In anyone's book that makes Jesus a widely respected figure, historic and contemporary.

Period.

"Jesus is the most widely respected historic figure, period."
Lie much?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Jesus never existed.

It's such fun to drop by and laugh at the mentally retarded, soon-to-be extinct and pathetically stupid.

Niceville lives!

No Child Left Behind has to be the penultimate in stupidity.

The incompetent will be culled early on eventually.

For the moment they are entertaining; In a pathetic sort of way.

Niceville lives!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA AAAAAAAAAAA

www.jesusneverexisted.com

jesus never existed dot com? that's your argument?

you do realize there's a site called www.zatoichilovesanalsex.com and
www.zatoichisuckscockalldaylon gwhilenotpackingfudge.net right?

didn't think so. look yourself up - you're fascinating.

Zat, what is up with the spastically manicial HAHAing?

Universally, Jesus is the most widely respected historic figure, period. #48 | Posted by graciewilder

Seriously, where do you get that?

To which, I'll add: what makes you think Jesus was a historical figure?

Posted by happyending at 2011-11-28 09:20 PM | Reply

Jesus has five femtoseconds to suck my dick or you kill yourself, shitstain.

Take the bet or you're a fucking pathetic excuse for a joke like Rex.

>Period.

Don't you mean 'the debate is over'?

This from our local bovine. Which of your stomachs are you ruminating from this evening?

You clowns are priceless!

>Jesus has five femtoseconds...

He doesn't give a fuck about what you want.

You probably haven't heard that enough, though.

That's why I'm here to help.

That's great Zat, but it still doesn't anwser the question.

Why are you such a spastic? and what is up with 'HAHAHAHAHAHAHA'?

Do you have brain damage?

TIME's up!!!

Actually time was up with the Arab Oil Embargo in 1973.
Humanity's response was the wrong answer.

Russia has 10,000 nuclear weapons.
I'll give Reagan that one, it used to be many more.

Here's some fun info on bondage from our local bovine, Hans.

Jesse & Hans: Gay Twinks - Bondage Games

www.youtube.com

Although I'm fairly certain these were from the 'early years' if you know what I mean.

In this day and age, why we even have these discussions is beyond me...

I get it now, HAHAHAHAHAHA, is Zat's way of letting us know his diappie is full.

Don't worry Zat, Nurse Rachet will be by soon to change you, but remember, no more throwing poo at the other 'guests'.

I'm not familiar with the Koran.

You are now.

quran.com

#6 | Posted by Tosser at 2011-11-28 03:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is some intense stuff.

Ahhh, rectal-cranial inversion at it's best.

Judaism spawned Christianity (Jesus the Jew). Judaism also spawned Islam (Abraham was Jewish long before Islam existed.

It's all a bunch of drivel that requires the actual act of getting ones head out of ones posterior which has been well placed by religious indoctrination.

It is really not important if these 'doctors to be', God bless them, prefer to believe in a magic sky fairy creating all of existence just so they know how to administer medical care without to much voodoo!

So many secular bigots here. Full of yourselves and high five-ing each other in your common hatred of religion. News flash there are some that believe in a creator and evolution... Not traditional creationists but still believers just the same. hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu

Concerning evolution heck even the Catholic Church has adopted a neutral stance since the 1950s (see link). Gimme a break with all this acrimony! You all sound like bitter children forced into attending religious schools only to find your revenge as adults. Your resentment of religion is blinding you from seeing anything other than what Richard Dawkins or your atheist blogs tell you to believe (or not to believe). There is middle ground to be had here just wanted to point this out.
en.wikipedia.org

Damn dirtstar, talk about full of yourself.

Got to love all you religious hatters (myself sometimes ). What I really want to know is this what your stance will be at you final hour. Oh, and Zatoichi in the end will you really cry out Jesus suck my dick. Be honest, and not try and be one of the crowd here and up each other on the hate, to show how liberal minded you are .

#70 | Posted by zman at 2011-11-29 10:01 AM | Reply | Flag: mentally retarded

What part of the fact that you have the IQ of lint makes me "liberal minded" shit-for-brains?

"hatters "

Lay off the mercury scooter, your Freud is showing.

Knew this was coming but you still can't just answer the question. or is to to hard for you to say it?

What I really want to know is this what your stance will be at you final hour.

Our final hour will be much like the Nutters except we won;t be in Denial of Reality. No one is really ready but no one has any choice. And depending on how much pain you are in and whether our loved ones can be there we may be wondering what it was all about and whether it was worth it and did we live a good life..if indeed we can even focus on a coherent single thought at all at that point.

The part I would want to be there for is to "see" the faces of the nutters (hatters) when they get to "see" how far off the mark the myth of the God of the Bible and the Koran or any other "religious" text really is.

of course, at that point we won't "see" or "hear" anything at all as we won't have any eyes and it will be very dark and quiet when you are Dead as it was before you were Born (do you remember any of that either?. If you have no container for your thought patterns you will not be able to experience the Universe anymore.

So Sorry.

So go be with your loved ones as much as you can right now while you are Alive. There is no "life after death" there is only Death after Death as before Life you were also "Dead". Cherish the Time of Life that you have. Because in the Scheme of Things Past, Present and Future...We are Dead way more than we are Alive in this Universe.

If a fish can become a taco, anything is possible.

If you have no container for your thought patterns you will not be able to experience the Universe anymore.

So Sorry.

#74 | Posted by donnerboy

My naive Newtonian friend. Don't you know that paired particles can communicate across space and for this reason, information can never be destroyed?

Our thoughts remain connected after the death of our earthly bodies. Our souls? Indestructible.

Our thoughts remain connected after the death of our earthly bodies. Our souls? Indestructible.

Information cannot be destroyed only in a very narrow sense. Our "thoughts" are in no way synonymous with the information held in a quantum system.

I liked my story title better Rcade.

You can still believe in a creator and believe in evolution.

But fundees of all stripes are blithering fucking idiots.

Religions are like high school rivalries.

Only far more dangerous.

fundees of all stripes are blithering fucking idiots

That goes without saying.

Religions are like high school rivalries.

More like gang rivalries. Far greater stupidity, and far greater violence.

Dumb ass conservatives don't believe in evolution. It doesn't matter which fairy tale they believe in.

You don't know what spontaneous generation is? Life sprouting from rocks.
#14 | Posted by Huguenot at 2011-11-28 02:19 PM

Yes... sort of. It took millions of years of amino acids combining to form simple mechanisms, crude "organisms", then eventually complex ones, etc. This means that asteroids bring not only death, but life.

All known element constituents are originally derived from stellar activity only, although there are still lots of questions - even from the perspective of the "electric universe" theory.

Universally, Jesus is the most widely respected historic figure, period. Mohammad is a side note.
#48 | Posted by graciewilder at 2011-11-28 09:00 PM

Jesus is a re-write of Moses, lady.

In this day and age, why we even have these discussions is beyond me...
#64 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2011-11-28 09:37 PM

Because the combined oppression and ignorance is being contested in Muslim nations - thus, a threat to religious fundamentalism in general, Mullahs and "leaders" in particular.

On topic: If Mohammad was a man, how did he become "divine" and why the extreme behavior regarding visual art representing him? Reminds me of how bibles were in Latin to be read only by clergy until the reformation, splitting the churches power as education became more of a common priority.

Religion are social retardation, imo.

If Mohammad was a man, how did he become "divine"

"I am one of you... simply a man" ... Mohamed.

He never claimed he was "divine".

Try not to pull stuff out of thin air, yes?

and why the extreme behavior regarding visual art representing him?

I have a painting of Mohamed. It came from Iran, I believe. It seems to be accepted behavior over there.

Again... top pulling stuff out of your ass. Thanks.

In general, not only pics of Mohamed are discouraged but also those of any other prophet, including Jesus.

It is not because they are "divine"... it is simply because "Islamic art" is often found in a mosque and you can't have any human art in there... they prefer repeating geometrical patterns. It was to differentiate themselves from the pagans who were into worshiping their own art-work, statues and stuff.

top pulling = stop pulling

Oops!

Again... top pulling stuff out of your ass. Thanks.

That's not exactly pulled from his ass. The whole debacle over the Mohammed cartoons was not imagined.

The whole debacle over the Mohammed cartoons was not imagined.

That was because the images were insulting.

'That was because the images were insulting.'

That's bullshit.

That's bullshit.

I see.

I'm a Muslim and *I* am telling you what is what.

Yet *you* would think you know better? LOL

You would rather trust your own MSM (which is known for rubbish reporting)?

So be it! LOL

Where is the outrage over the hellish cartoons of our rightful President George W. Bush? They depicted him as a chimp. If they did that to the muslims and bungholio - their followers would come unglued.

Of course images of prophets are generally not allowed.... certainly not like the disgusting pornographic imagery the Catholics have in/around Vatican that Michelangelo became famous for.

However, we know Christians consider such bathroom trash as "holy"... we understand that they would make images of Mohamed. Give us some credit.... that was not the cause of the anger.

The main cause of the anger was, the images were insulting. Simple.

Or as Mod-Rat would say "eazy peezy".

and bungholio

Who?

Obama?

yes obama the messiah

Nice name... bungholio.... I might borrow it sometime. LOL

So be it! LOL

#88 | Posted by Tosser

I don't care if you're a Muslim and I don't care if *you* are telling me what is what.

Spazzing out violently because of some insult is very stupid. Those who do spaz only insult themselves.

You know this Toss. You aren't going to try and blow up RCADE with a IED just because some Rtard said you fuck goats to praise Allah.

Am I right?

Like I said, "bullshit."

'Nice name... bungholio.... I might borrow it sometime. LOL'

So you've never seen Beavis and Butthead.

Take a gander-

www.youtube.com

So you've never seen Beavis and Butthead.

I have.

He usually sez "cornholio".

Spazzing out violently because of some insult is very stupid. Those who do spaz only insult themselves.

In his lifetime, Mohamed was insulted quite badly by the pagans. He NEVER "spazzed out" against them.

You aren't going to try and blow up RCADE with a IED just because some Rtard said you fuck goats to praise Allah.

I'm Asian. We reply in the same manner we are talked to.

If you use your mouth to insult me, I can ignore it... or I got a mouth too and I can use it to insult you right back.

If you use a fist, I'll use a fist.

"Eezy peezy" (copyright Mod-Rat)

However, there are plenty of yahoos in any population who would react to cartoons and such violently. I am certainly not responsible for them nor do I agree with them but I am glad such people exist to keep the non-Muslims on their toes.

"However, there are plenty of yahoos in any population who would react to cartoons and such violently. I am certainly not responsible for them nor do I agree with them but I am glad such people exist to keep the non-Muslims on their toes."

#97 | Posted by Tosser

Condones violence in response to an insult.

Condones violence in response to an insult.

Not quite.

I simply don't give a shit when it happens to you (specially when you start it). But I will never encourage it. Not my way.

See, you stupid girl... I won't start anything. But I won't help you stop it either.

None of my business.

See no evil, hear no evil, do no evil.

Understand? (probably not)

#99

Yes, quite, Tosser person.
You said it. No denying that.
It states what you are about.

Any person who says "I am glad such people exist"
in relation to those who use violence in response
to being insulted is accepting of their actions.
If you accept the actions then you are in agreement
with them. There is no other representation. Your words.

And then you try to insult with the "stupid girl".
You represent yourself clearly, Tosser person.
Thanks for the heads up.

Thanks for the heads up.

You're welcome.

Now bugger off, would you?

In his lifetime, Mohamed was insulted quite badly by the pagans. He NEVER "spazzed out" against them.

What fairy tales is this guy reading... Mohamed and his army did nothing but kill and conquer like all the others before him...

I would have liked to see Alexander the great's army up against Mohamed's army...

I can picture mohamed's head up on a dirty stick after the battle... Nice!

Tosser is modern Muslim and seemingly wise as well. Grats

Our thoughts remain connected after the death of our earthly bodies. Our souls? Indestructible.

#76 | Posted by BloodSacrafice

The mass and energy that was you is not destroyed...Your thoughts vanish into the vastness of space and time when you die as there is no container to hold them and no way for you to sense the Universe anymore. Ask yourself this...Why are no two snowflakes ever alike?

"Indestructible."

You misspelled 'bullshit' imbecile.

when you die as there is no container to hold them

YOU may die.

But your pony-tail shall remain.

But your pony-tail shall remain.

Gibbs overshoot.

www.youtube.com

And the Fossil comes out with another lame joke... one that might have worked in the 1930s.

Not today, Fossil... not today. LOL

#109 | Posted by Tosser at 2011-11-30 10:38 PM | Reply | Flag: failed Fourier analysis, among other things

Joke's on you scooter.

Toaster is to Pakishit as Radio Moscow was to the USSR ...

... mildly amusing

That is better than watching TV.

Joke's on you scooter.

There is no joke, Fossil.

You are far too lame to make one.

Hey, everyone... has ANYONE... ANYONE AT ALL.... EVER... found Fossil to be "funny"???

[deafening silence.... followed by sound of crickets]

Guess not.

As that new guy told you... think about your incontinence issues, old fart.

Solve THAT, you might have a chance to solve your lameness. LOL

Flag: failed Fourier analysis

See? He can't do a "funny". LOL

Pathetic old man, act your age, you might have better response.

See, you stupid girl... I won't start anything. But I won't help you stop it either.
None of my business.
See no evil, hear no evil, do no evil.
Understand? (probably not)
#100 | Posted by Tosser at 2011-11-30 09:48 AM

You sound like an absolute ninny, I can't believe anyone doesn't just stop, drop and laugh when near you.

Tosser you are the true spirit of explosive diarrhea.

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