what a shame....

too bad she didn't think before she joined in ...all that being responsible for your own actions stuff can be a real bitch...

"I didn’t know that a cop would murder a baby that’s not born yet… I am trying to get lawyers.�"

Surprise, surprise another OWS burnout looking to take money from the people. OWS needs to step up and officially denounce people like this if they want any chance of even marginal legitimacy.

before the thread goes on, its fair to say that noone is happy that a life was ended..but the bottom line is that its not the officer's fault..
the woman had a responsibility to protect the fetus and CLEARLY did not by her decision to attend.

Her only mistake was to tell them that she was pregnant. That's how they knew where to hit her for best effect.

She said she was homeless and three months pregnant, but felt the need to join activists during their march last Tuesday.
"I didn’t know that a cop would murder a baby that’s not born yet"

She homeless.
She's pregnant.
She's an OWS protester.

And now she's pro-life too?
Wow. You just can't make this shit up.

before the thread goes on, its fair to say that noone is happy that a life was ended..
#3 | Posted by afkabl2

* * * *

Negative. A life wasn't ended. It's just a bundle of tissue, remember? What are you, some kind of pro-lifer who believes in fetal rights?

Bow down to your masters.

"the woman had a responsibility to protect the fetus and CLEARLY did not by her decision to attend." Oh I get it, the officers had not responsibility to not hit her in the stomach. When you have to twist your logic you know you are wrong.

"What are you, some kind of pro-lifer who believes in fetal rights?" No but you are so where is your outrage? Oh, I see, it only applies to people you approve of.

Sounds like the free abortion coverage the Dems were so gungho about putting in Obamacare.

No but you are so where is your outrage?"

The outrage is here and has been expressed but toward the one that deserves it, the woman.

It is outrageous that a pregnant woman was beaten, and her baby killed. And, yes, it was a baby. It's not just a tenuous thing, that it ceases to be a living being just because she decides not to head to the nearest abortion mill, and carry to term instead.

It's just ironic, that's all, to see a bunch of liberals pretend to mourn a dead baby. Usually it's along the lines of my post above, or some POS like Herm showing up to say there are too many people already, or another limp dick coming along to say that God is the biggest abortionist of them all.

Yes, there was an innocent life taken. Liberals disagree.

"No but you are so where is your outrage?"

If the police did something to provoke a miscarriage, I am outraged. Why not see if the woman's claims are true before jumping on one side or the other?

"If the police did something to provoke a miscarriage, I am outraged."

Why? Even if their actions contributed to it they did not put her in the position that endangered her child, that was her. It would be unreasonable to think that a cop should assume someone is pregnant just because she is a woman.

"Even if their actions contributed to it they did not put her in the position that endangered her child, that was her."

Only partly true. If she is telling the truth they should have known. But again, I have no more idea if she is than I know if Cain groped a woman once. Protesters have a habit of making inflamed accusations so I take it with a grain of salt.

WTF is up with cops and beating on women anyway? If my job description included having to beat on women with sticks, I'd find a new one. No wonder the profession attracts so much scum (before anyone cries about this look at which professions have the highest # of criminals, police officer is right near the top of the list).

"If my job description included having to beat on women with sticks"

It just says that you can use force against those acting against you unlawfully. What are you some kind of chauvinist that thinks women should be treated differently by the law just because of the genitalia they were born with?

"No wonder the profession attracts so much scum"

If you want to be a cop, you probably have an authoritarian personality or a little dick or both.

Sure it can't have anything to do with creating or maintaining a safe and stable environment for the people.

Sure it can't have anything to do with creating or maintaining a safe and stable environment for the people.

#19 | Posted by salamandagator

Or the kick ass health insurance and government bennies that come along with the job...
Besides, who wouldn't like to rodney king a few hundred obama voters?

"It just says that you can use force against those acting against you unlawfully."

I've seen plenty of instances of cops beating on people including women where those being beaten are not 'acting against' anyone. They are just being annoying or failing to follow the cops' orders fast enough.

"What are you some kind of chauvinist that thinks women should be treated differently by the law just because of the genitalia they were born with?"

I was raised not to beat on women and to view those who do as lesser men. Its a cultural taboo most American men who share. Are you saying you were unaware of this taboo or that you don't think less of men who beat on women? If you think that makes me a chauvinist, fine. I think your position makes you trash.

"I was raised not to beat on women and to view those who do as lesser men."

Which parent taught you it is OK to call a former 1st lady in her 80's a stupid cunt? Or was that an act of a lesser man you were raised not to be?

Are you saying you were unaware of this taboo or that you don't think less of men who beat on women?"

If women are equal then they should get no preferential treatment under the law, right?
Sure, i abhor beating of women but i don't believe in the use of violence for personal gain for anyone. But in this case she was acting unlawfully in a situation where she knew it could be dangerous and so i do not believe the cops should just ignore the law because she is a woman, that is what equality is about.

"Which parent taught you it is OK to call a former 1st lady in her 80's a stupid cunt?"

Nobody, I decided that one on my own. I also think you're a cunt for still being butthurt about it years after the fact. "Boohoohoo, sthumbody call by Buthie's mother a cunt! The old bitch could give Sthfuck about me but it sthill pithes me off! Boohoohoo.".

Go take your Metamucil and try to work out a two, old man, you'll feel better and won't be such a crank.

"But in this case she was acting unlawfully in a situation where she knew it could be dangerous and so i do not believe the cops should just ignore the law because she is a woman, that is what equality is about."

The law doesn't say they need to beat on anyone. In fact, they shouldn't be beating on anyone who poses no threat to them.

"The law doesn't say they need to beat on anyone."

It authorizes force and specifically uses it to enforce itself. Without force there is no law.

" In fact, they shouldn't be beating on anyone who poses no threat to them"

Any mob is a threat, the protesters make sure that the police understand that they are outnumbered and that they will have to use force to maintain order.

Sully I agree, the use of force here makes our police the assaulters, their safety has never been questioned and the fact that the police officers are the aggressors is doubly bad.

Jennifer Fox, 19, told The Stranger that she had been with the Occupy protests since they started in Westlake Park. She said she was homeless and three months pregnant, but felt the need to join activists during their march last Tuesday.

Seriously, what a perfect representation of OWS. Aimless, worthless, and stupid. If only OWS were a slut, it would be a perfect match.

Make her the face of the OWS movement...

"Any mob is a threat, the protesters make sure that the police understand that they are outnumbered and that they will have to use force to maintain order."

Whatver. By your standards the cops could beat anyone for any reason. Which brings me back to my original point - I think people who want a job that involves beating on women and people who are no threat are scummy. If you truely believe that its a cops jobs to beat people with little to no provocation then by your definition its a pretty scummy job.

"Which parent taught you it is OK to call a former 1st lady in her 80's a stupid cunt?"

Nobody, I decided that one on my own. I also think you're a cunt for still being butthurt about it years after the fact. "Boohoohoo, sthumbody call by Buthie's mother a cunt! The old bitch could give Sthfuck about me but it sthill pithes me off! Boohoohoo.".

Go take your Metamucil and try to work out a two, old man, you'll feel better and won't be such a crank.
#24 | Posted by Sully at 2011-11-22 04:26 PM |

I am taking that as an answer it was not your mom's lesson Thully? LMAO!!!

This is what I asked:

"What kind of idiot, 2 months pregnant, would expose her fetus and herself to a protest riddled with disease and violence?"

This is what Danni replied:

Cowards like Tedly obey the police and get a star on the bulletin board for being good little sheep and they hate it when others, who have more courage, actually go out in the street and demand that we all be treated as citizens instead of disobedient children.

And Rcade:

A woman two months pregnant is hardly needing to hide herself from life in order to protect the baby. There have been demonstrations for months, most of which passed without incident.

My Guess is is they blame the cops.

Now I'll ask again, "What kind of idiot, 2 months pregnant, would expose her fetus and herself to a protest riddled with disease and violence?"

"What kind of idiot, 2 months pregnant, would expose her fetus and herself to a protest riddled with disease and violence?"

I think the responses you received indicate they reject the flawed premise behind your question - that being 2 months pregnant at a protest is inherently dangerous.

To Danni, she was a disobedient child.

To Arcade, now you have incident.

To you both, This girls actions have cost the life of her unborn child, the most innocent of innocents.

Either of you going to be there for her when it dawns on her that her actions took this child's life, not the cops?

Oh I forgot none of you treat it as a life until it's born...or convenient to scream otherwise. "I was screaming, ‘I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'"

too bad she didn't think before she joined in ...all that being responsible for your own actions stuff can be a real bitch...
#1 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

what's to think about? the police behaved to the polar opposite and instead of protecting any:
Freedom of assembly, sometimes used interchangeably with the freedom of association, is the individual right to come together and collectively express, promote, pursue and defend common interests. The right to freedom of association is recognized as a human right, a political freedom and a civil liberty.

First Amendment: Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting ... or abridging ... the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

...the police destroyed it, as if they are sworn to prevent it or even hate it.

we know you approve of fascism, babs.

fascism: extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice. to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.

No flawed premises Sully. Only a naive fool would think there is no chance of violence breaking out at a protest.

The flawed premise is an expectant mother not caring enough to keep her unborn child out of harms way whether "most of which passe(s) without incident." or not.

Now step aside and let these two respond as they see fit. They're both adults, they don't need anyone to talk for them.

demagogue: a [political] leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.

"By your standards the cops could beat anyone for any reason."

Hyperbole much?
If you do not obey a cop his job is to make you obey. Without the threat of physical force there is no authority over those that are unwilling to submit to the law of the land. Force is an unfortunate necessity because people do not always act within the laws socity sets up.

Now I'll ask again, "What kind of idiot, 2 months pregnant, would expose her fetus and herself to a protest riddled with disease and violence?"

Posted by Tedly at 2011-11-22 05:26 PM

A 19 year old idiot -- 'cause at 19 she's still a teenager with a teenage mindset meaning they never think anything bad could ever happen to them. Don't you remember when you were 19, Tedly? I know at that age I did plenty of dumb stuff.

I agree with you -- at 2 months pregnant she shouldn't have risked the real possibility of getting knocked down and/or roughed up attending some crowded protest but teenagers are notorious for never evaluating the possible consequences of their actions. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she likely wouldn't have gone had she been 27 or 28 years old and pregnant. At least I'd hope she would have gained some more smarts by then.

i see, Tedly. would you like to _go ahead_ and condemn her for getting pregnant and also being homeless?

protest that may turn violent? yeah, after this we all ought to all know not to protest because the fascist cops will FUCK YOU UP! is that the ticket you're selling? be afraid of the police?

in fact, she claims she WAS trying to remove herself, even announcing she was pregnant and wanted out of what she saw was advancing police, not an advancing problem crowd but an advancing problem police!

fact is, afaik, this was no accident: the fascist cops rammed her and kicked her. is THAT what one should expect? that they are also deaf to your request for assistance? or hell yeah, KILL KILL KILL. stop the protest by amy means necessary. just like the US Davis pepper sprayers... did those cops stop to ask if anyone was pregnant or fatally allergic first? HA! riiiiiight. sure they did.
police are sworn to PROTECT the assembly, not attack it!

"police are sworn to PROTECT the assembly, not attack it!"

Police are sworn to uphold the law, they did their duty.

UC Davis

"Only a naive fool would think there is no chance of police violence breaking out at a peaceful protest." -- Tedly
Fixed that for ya.

The flawed premise is an expectant mother not caring enough to keep her unborn child out of harms way
Indeed. She's probably safest in the kitchen, and barefoot too for that matter, wouldn't you agree?
If pregnant women shouldn't participate in democracy, then I suppose no parent should? Anyone at a protest risks making their children orphans.

f pregnant women shouldn't participate in democracy,"

She wasn't, she was participating in a mob.

Don't you remember when you were 19, Tedly?

I do and nowhere in those memories was I pregnant and protesting.;)

I have, however learned to selectively forget all the stupid things I did at that age and instead deflect that I was serving my country protecting it from the "crooks" that claimed not to be "crooks".

the Constitution is the law, the SUPREME law! dingbat.

It's just a clump of cells, Itchy. What are you getting so riled up about?

"the Constitution is the law, the SUPREME law! dingbat."

What does that have to do with anything. This was not a 1st amendment issue, they were not peaceably or lawfully assembling. They were in violation of numerous laws and code. They refused to disperse peaceably and showed no inclination to obey any laws. Hell, i'd bet you not even 1/10 of them know there is a right to assemble in the 1st.

She wasn't, she was participating in a mob.

Close, but you have it backwards.
The police were participating in a mob.
The peaceful, non-violent protesters were engaging in peaceful, non-violent protest.

I have, however learned to selectively forget all the stupid things I did at that age and instead deflect that I was serving my country protecting it from the "crooks" that claimed not to be "crooks".

a slow maturing process, was it?

...and not all combat soldiers are old enough to vote either, so don't feel bad that you had little say in what you did. doesn't make it wrong, or right.

just another ricochet?

They were in violation of numerous laws and code

So is your car, parked, at an expired parking meter.
Apparently in your world, this gives the police the right -- nay, the duty -- to slash your tires.

She's probably safest in the kitchen, and barefoot too for that matter, wouldn't you agree?

No I would agree with many here that you're a moron for even trying to take this in that direction.

There's no reason whatsoever a pregnant woman cant participate in democracy. Just like there's no reason a pregnant woman cant participate in contact sports, or putting a new roof on the house, or auto racing...

How stupid of a comment was that snoofy? She can't participate in democracy other than putting herself and child in harms way? Man the phones? Sort donations, run for fucking office? She cost her, her child's life and all you can come up with is "She's probably safest in the kitchen, and barefoot too for that matter, wouldn't you agree?"

Let me guess, she's a hero, in your eyes, and gave one up for the Gipper, right?

Police are sworn to uphold the law, they did their duty.

#40 | Posted by salamandagator

one makes choices in life, for me it is to make the choice where my duty does not involve slamming a stick into a pregnant woman's stomach

a slow maturing process, was it?

It was, and at 57 still is. Unlike yourself, who of course, has stopped the process dead.

She's probably safest in the kitchen, and barefoot too for that matter, wouldn't you agree?

No I would agree with many here that you're a moron for even trying to take this in that direction.

This isn't my tack, it's the one taken by the anti-OWS crowd.

Do you think that parents shouldn't demonstrate, because they risk making their children orphans, or at least falling into the hands of CPS if the parents are arrested at said protest?

For whom, exactly, is protest an acceptable act? Only those over 18, without children, and without some sort of medical condition which puts them at higher risk when exposed to the chemical agents used by the police?

"To you both, This girls actions have cost the life of her unborn child, the most innocent of innocents."

No you stupid fuck, it was the actions of the thug cops who killed her unborn child. YOu can try to spin it some other way to try and justify their actions but what they did would have landed anyone else in prison for a very long time, hopefully it will land those thugs there.

She can't participate in democracy other than putting herself and child in harms way?

Why couldn't Rosa Parks just write a nice op-ed? Why'd she have to get uppity?
Signed,
Tedly

So is your car, parked, at an expired parking meter.
Apparently in your world, this gives the police the right -- nay, the duty -- to slash your tires.

No but they do have the right to ticket and tow the car.

Your not so good at this game. Ever though you might be better served just observing?

two things:
Seattle Post-Intelligencer photographer Joshua Trujillo snapped a picture of Fox in apparent agony as another activist carried her to an ambulance.

not the police, why?

The Scoville heat chart indicates that U.S. grade pepper spray is ten times more painful than the blistering hot habanero pepper, according to Scientific American. While law enforcement officials regulary claim that the spray is safe, researchers at the University of North Carolina and Duke University found that it could “produce adverse cardiac, respiratory, and neurologic effects, including arrhythmias and sudden death.”

storm troopers domestic weapons.

What does that have to do with anything. This was not a 1st amendment issue,

Constitutional Law is supreme/super.

they were not peaceably or lawfully assembling. They were in violation of numerous laws and code.

cite those laws, please.
also, is she charged with any crime?

They refused to disperse peaceably and showed no inclination to obey any laws.

those words are not "a law" and do not represent a crime--not without you citing the relevant laws supposedly being enforced.

Hell, i'd bet you not even 1/10 of them know there is a right to assemble in the 1st.

this is America, asshat. i'm sure they DO. since you seem to know, what don't the cops? or maybe you think some city ordinance supersedes the Constitution, sounds like it.

in ANY case there is NO EXCUSE for this lack of PROTECT AND SERVE... not your MASTERS but your PEOPLE! grow a pair for Christ sakes!

Why couldn't Rosa Parks just write a nice op-ed? Why'd she have to get uppity?
Signed,
Tedly

Was dear Rosa Parks pregnant? That's a real question by the way.

Anyway you're still failing at this silly game of yours. I certainly hope you didn't pay Danni for those lessons. You're actually making her seem a bit intelligent.

#53
i would say that i too am 57 and that i too am "ted" and that i was slow to mature as well, but i'm not and it wasn't.

nevertheless we're Americans, like it or not. :-P

No but they do have the right to ticket and tow the car.

Instead, the pigs smashed this bitch's windshield in.
Also, I don't think she was ever ticketed, or towed (arrested).
If, as I've been told repeatedly, she was in contravention of some law, why didn't the police do those things?

"No but they do have the right to ticket and tow the car."

And they could have used similar tactics with that woman instead of punching hier in the stomach and causing a miscarriage. I really can't understand why they needed to do that to anyone much less a pregnant woman who was telling then loudly and clearly she just wanted to leave the area and that she was pregnant. Had the killed her and mutilated her corpse you'd still be defending them.

Was dear Rosa Parks pregnant? That's a real question by the way.

No, but she had inferior black genes, the kind that made so many black men die from the choke hold around that time.
Clearly it was unsafe for her to do what she did.

Do you propose a distinct set of rules governing the behavior of pregnant women? Shall it be illegal for them to smoke, drink, or be homeless like this one was?

Well I'm glad you're not 57, I'm glad you're not ted (way too many for my liking)I'm glad I'm still maturing and your not, and I'm glad were both Americans. That still doesn't excuse the fact that snoofy is an idiot.

maybe, as an aside, just maybe, she is desperate. maybe foreclosed on, maybe down-sized, maybe can't get food stamps, on and on... so maybe her point is that she believes her child should have [had] a better future.

her unborn's never being born, but being destroyed, will not have been for nothing.
don't you agree?

cite those laws, please.

Disorderly Conduct(RCW 9A.84.030)
Failure to Disperse(RCW 9A.8A4.020)
Resisting Arrest(RCW 9A.76.040)
Interference, obstruction of any court, building, or residence(RCW 9.27.015)
Trespass(RCW 9A.52.070; RCW 9A.52.080)

Good enough or you need more?

...nor you a troll.

(snoofy ain't no idiot.)

"I really can't understand why they needed to do that to anyone much less a pregnant woman who was telling then loudly and clearly she just wanted to leave the area and that she was pregnant."

First off, it was a mob, i doubt you could make out anything clearly. Second she was not visibly pregnant so to a cop she is just another member of the mob refusing their lawful orders. Unless you want to say the cops should have to give everyone a pregnancy test, verify age and make sure they have no medical issues before doing their job there should be no objection to who they administered force to. I understand the whole not wanting them to use force and my position is that they had no choice but i understand the argument.

...nor you a troll.
(snoofy ain't no idiot.)

All in the eye of the beholder I guess.

#66

that's a riot, typical. the first 3 i'm not entertaining _at all_. so, give me your facts on the last two. what building or residence, what trespass?

next, however, i am going to ask about the force you used. and i am going to send you to jail for it, too. i suggest you want to stop here, now. (and pray there is no civil suit.)

oh, excuse me. got more? _go ahead_ here's some more rope: _________; _______; ________.

"I understand the whole not wanting them to use force and my position is that they had no choice but i understand the argument."

No choice? Of course they had a choice. There was simply no reason to do what they did other than that they could because they have a gun and a badge. I think this case will be picked up by attorneys who are going to sue the shit out of the city, when the cities have to start paying out big settlements maybe they will rein in these asshole cops.

"Instead, the pigs smashed this bitch's windshield in."

Have you ever seen what the fire department does to cars that are in the way of a hydrant they need?

#70

6 people were arrested for crimes ranging for interference of pedestrians to assaulting an officer.

First off, it was a mob
Only if it's possible for a mob to be non-violent.
Of course, by that definition, a packed movie theater or airplane can also be considered a mob.

she is just another member of the mob refusing their lawful orders.
When does it become acceptable to use violence to coerce compliance from a non-violent offender? Is this permissible at all times?

#68
Second she was not visibly pregnant so to a cop she is just another member of the mob refusing their lawful orders.

except that she was asking for help to GET OUT! the rest of your post is FF.

asking for help = assist in complying. too funny. (and too sick... look, most cops are just unlawfully stupid.)

"Instead, the pigs smashed this bitch's windshield in."

Have you ever seen what the fire department does to cars that are in the way of a hydrant they need?

For this to come close to being applicable, the Nordstrom would have to have been on fire.
That would certainly have been a valid public safety reason to clear the area; to allow fire/rescue to operate unfettered.
But nothing was on fire, so your reasoning doesn't apply.

"I think this case will be picked up by attorneys who are going to sue the shit out of the city,"

There were completely within the scope of power granted to them. And there choice was one of two options. Uphold the law, disperse the crowd and end the problem or let the degenerates do whatever they will, disregard the law, infringe on other peoples rights and embolden more riotous acts. There had to be action taken. Now if you are arguing against the use of batons and pepper spray i will remind you that they are far less likely to cause bodily harm then trying to arrest people in a mob. That is why they are used the world over.

#77

The whole comparison is ridiculous, cops use force to remove cars.

"except that she was asking for help to GET OUT!"

Have you never been in a rowdy crowd?
Do you think she was the only one yelling?

"Only if it's possible for a mob to be non-violent."

There were arrests made for assaulting an officer, sounds pretty non-violent to me.

"When does it become acceptable to use violence to coerce compliance from a non-violent offender?"

When they are acting illegally. Police can only operate by using or threating the use of force, that is why we have police not just security guards.

cops use force to remove cars.
No, the tow company does that.
The cops merely ticket.
It's unclear why that couldn't have happened here.

"Uphold the law, disperse the crowd and end the problem or let the degenerates do whatever they will, disregard the law, infringe on other peoples rights and embolden more riotous acts."

Only a simpleton thinks that was the only choices the police had. They had a wide spectrum of responses they could have employed other than punching a young woman in the gut. What if it were your daughter? She is someone's. I hope those cops are real proud of themselves tonight. They have done everything in their power to lose the respect of the community, nice going guys.

very sad .. Seattle woman's baby aborted by Dem-Union-Loyalists

" Police can only operate by using or threating the use of force, that is why we have police not just security guards."

They didn't threaten, they just punched her in the gut. The reaction to the crime being committed should have some semblance of reasonable decision making this case didn't.

"When does it become acceptable to use violence to coerce compliance from a non-violent offender?"

When they are acting illegally.

So it's okay to beat a jaywalker or a driver who rolls through a stop sign? Follow-on question, it's okay to use force against them, but there's no concomitant requirement to arrest them, cite them, or detain them?

The cops can simply issue a beating whenever a law is broken, and then everybody goes about their business?

If the people getting beaten aren't cited for some illegal behavior, it seems to me there couldn't have been any reason to beat them in the first place.

ok officer, this sounds it backs up your charges...

a 4 foot 10-inch, 84-year-old woman, a priest and a pregnant woman who as of this writing is still in the hospital.”

Dorli Rainey (the 84 yr. old) is an activist who has supported liberal causes in the Seattle area for decades. A photo showing Rainey being cared for by fellow activists in the immediate aftermath of the police incident appeared on news websites around the world.

Seattle police spokesman Jeff Kappel said he didn’t have specifics on the Rainey incident, but he said pepper spray is “is not age specific. No more dangerous to someone who is 10 or someone who is 80.”

He added, that if it were harmful, “we probably wouldn’t be using pepper spray if that was the case.”

Kappel said police had not yet established whether a pregnant woman was involved.

yeah, you're all set. what were the rest of those charges, again?... got SPECIFICS on any of those?

YOUR OWN people don't even back you up! you idiots think it's fun and games: "pepper spray is not age specific. No more dangerous to someone who is 10 or someone who is 80. ...if it were harmful, we probably wouldn’t be using pepper spray if that was the case.”

probably? PROBABLY?! you guys are so stupid. get out of here!

Police can only operate by using or threating the use of force

You know nothing about policing, and it shows.
But you sure know a lot about bullying and strong-arming, and it shows.

this thread proves the true right wing of the dr hypocracy..

what a bunch of losers the rightwingers on this site are, i hope they don't represent the majority of right wingers.. cause if they do.. you are a sick disgusting bunch of trolls.

"The reaction to the crime being committed should have some semblance of reasonable decision making this case didn't."

Again this was in the middle of a MOB.

"very sad .. Seattle woman's baby aborted by Dem-Union-Loyalists"

YOur post actually says that it was ok to kill her fetus because of her politics. Makes me reconsider my belief that pro-lifers are really sincere in their beliefs about the unborn and not just political hacks using the issue for advantage with stupid people.

" i hope they don't represent the majority of right wingers.. "

Hate to break it to you but that is what we're dealing with in this country. SAd day in America when the lowest common denominator rules one of the major parties in this country.

Again this was in the middle of a MOB.

Indeed. She was a peaceful protester in the middle of a a violent, aggressive mob of policemen.

why do cops go the extra mile when another cop is killed?

"So it's okay to beat a jaywalker or a driver who rolls through a stop sign? "

Seriously, you cant be for real.

If someone does that and then disregards the officers orders force is ALWAYS applied. It may be taser, spray, a baton or just brute force, that is the way things are. Sorry to have to break it to you but cops are allowed to do more then just ask politely. It really saddens me that i should have to explain this to anyone.

"Indeed. She was a peaceful protester in the middle of a a violent, aggressive mob of policemen."

Yeah yeah, the man is keeping us down. They can do no wrong as long as you agree with them. Unfortunately for you most of us live in the real world.

"You know nothing about policing, and it shows.
But you sure know a lot about bullying and strong-arming, and it shows."

Says the guy who thinks police should stop after asking nicely.

"yeah, you're all set. what were the rest of those charges, again?... got SPECIFICS on any of those?"

If you are going to argue a subject you might want know a little bit about it first. Try google.

1. "... but felt the need to join activists during their march last Tuesday.

2. "I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in," Fox recalled.

3. "I was screaming, ˜I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'"

The only reason she claimed she was pregnant and "trying to get out" is because she saw the violence moving her way and decided a day late and dollar short that this wasn't her cup of tea.

The peaceful demonstrators had already left, the rabble, the trouble makers, were all that were left. They got what they wanted, their 15 minutes of fame. Too bad someone had to die for her mother to have her fame.

Nice spin on the whole peaceful demonstration thing though, good work.

Good luck getting any financial compensation from the city though.

If the people getting beaten aren't cited for some illegal behavior, it seems to me there couldn't have been any reason to beat them in the first place.
#86 | Posted by snoofy

Obama's inner circle:
~ Czar Ron Brown .."political power comes largely from the barrel of a gun"
~ Alinsky .. "political strategy is deceit of the masses"
~ Com Director Anita Dunn .. 'Mao is my Hero' [para] (Mao killed 60 million of his OWN citizens)

dude .. and you wonder why we treat you lefties like fools ...

If someone does that and then disregards the officers orders force is ALWAYS applied.

No it isn't.

Many jurisdictions have instituted a no-pursuit policy for minor offenses, since the risk inherent to a high-speed vehicular pursuit far outweighs the nature of the infraction. Not to mention, provided they have a license plate, they'll eventually nab the perp anyway.

Let me guess, you think incinerating women and children at Waco was unavoidable.

If the people getting beaten aren't cited for some illegal behavior, it seems to me there couldn't have been any reason to beat them in the first place.
#86 | Posted by snoofy

but .. but .. but .. THAT in fact, IS the Gvt that YOU have been arguing like a loon for ..

Obama's inner circle:
~ Czar Ron Brown .."political power comes largely from the barrel of a gun"
~ Alinsky .. "political strategy is deceit of the masses"
~ Com Director Anita Dunn .. 'Mao is my Hero' [para] (Mao killed 60 million of his OWN citizens)

dude .. and you wonder why we treat you lefties like fools ...

#101

You really are clueless aren't you?

You really believe that when they catch the guy there is no threat or use of force?
But even as such, delaying the use of force does not remove it.
And that being said, you still don't take into account the mob mentality or the WTO riots a few years back. The police were 100% justified. Pacifism is fine but does not coincide very well with reality.

Let me guess, you think incinerating women and children at Waco was unavoidable.

#101 | Posted by snoofy

And that being said, you still don't take into account the mob mentality or the WTO riots a few years back. The police were 100% justified.

After the WTO riots, the city paid out about $1M pursuant to police misconduct.
That's how 100% justified the police were.
So, go think about that.

Unless, of course, you're an agent provocateur, and your plan is to sneakily break the ability of society to police itself, by making the aftermath of policing so costly it eventually bankrupts the city... with all the money going to fat lazy public union police officers, racking up taxpayer-funded overtime and combat pay bonuses...

March on, brother!

why do the police think they are better and above normal citizens?

#105

Just keep digging deeper don't you?

The wto payouts were not for excessive force but incorrect arrest procedures. And it was the insurance company not the city that paid, there was already precedent set in the courts that they were not in the wrong but the insurance company decided to pay rather then fight it in court.
But that was not the point, the point is that Seattle cops know how quickly a mob can turn. They are in a situation where the well being of the public puts them in harms way. It is absolutely asinine to believe that in a mob each person can be handled individually and each case 100% justified. But the protesters know that and they are relying on the weak minded to buy into their cause because it is easy to portray themselves as victims. They knew what they were doing when they got into it, the outcome was exactly what they had hoped for and there are apparently enough weak minded people out there, such as yourself, that are willing to set aside reality because you like their politics. It is a form of domestic terrorism, they are trying to scare the police and public into allowing them to do whatever the damn well feel like. Justice and order be damned, the rules don't apply to them. It is a disgusting tactic practiced by the worst of society, when you have no legitimate protest make it about the "man" keeping you down. Pathetic.

"why do the police think they are better and above normal citizens?"

Better then normal citizens? They don't. Better then this group of degenerates? It's not just the police that think that, so does anyone with more then two synapses firing on a weekly basis.

Why does this small portion of citizens think it is above the law?

Better then this group of degenerates?...

#108 | Posted by salamandagator at 2011-11-22 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag: Wall Street shill

#109

Got a better name for jobless, future-less, burnouts, ex-hippies and druggies?

Mmmm, sweeping generalizations, agggghhhhh.

Got a better name for jobless, future-less, burnouts, ex-hippies and druggies?

Yes. Americans.

#108 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2011-11-22 09:21 PM | REPLY | FLAG
so the police think citizens are degenerates?

Why does this small portion of citizens think it is above the law?

Apparently the police think they are above the law too, since this woman and so many others who were beaten weren't cited, or detained, or interviewed, or ticketed, or charged with any sort of a crime.

So why were they beaten again? Try and explain it one more time. It seems like you said they were beaten because they were breaking the law. I could see perhaps a judge sentencing them to some lashes, Singapore style, but first they have to be arrested and tried before punishment is delivered, no?

If this woman has committed some sort of crime, why hasn't she been charged? If she hasn't committed some sort of crime, was was she beaten? It just doesn't add up.

"so the police think citizens are degenerates?"

No they just think the degenerates are degenerates, that is who we are discussing after all.

#113 how obtuse can you be?

Do you honestly not believe that if it were just her that she would not have been arrested?
There were just too many to arrest and if they were arrested en mass the mob would most likely have attacked the cops, that is what mobs do.
But it is clear that she was in violation of the law and part of a mob that was as well. You think it would be a better world where cops never used force to enforce the law but that would only end in complete anarchy, that much you should be able to understand. It is time to stop pretending like the cops are just thugs wanting to thump them some hippies, if you treated them with half the respect they deserve or 1/10th the respect you give the mob you would see that. But it is clear that you just have a problem with authority and nothing i say can fix that, someday you may grow up a bit and enter the real world but until then you seem to be hopeless. Go meet a cop, you will find that they are just like the rest of us. There are good ones and a few bad ones but for the vast majority the want to prevent harm not cause it, you cannot say the same for the mob.
Bottom line is that the cops acted within the law, followed procedure and accomplished the goal of dispersing a rowdy and illegal gathering. They did there job of protecting the people even though it required causing a bit of pain to a few by the design of the "protesters."

"except that she was asking for help to GET OUT!"
Have you never been in a rowdy crowd?
Do you think she was the only one yelling?
#80 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR

NO. not when they/a cop was close enough to hit or run into her with his bike or pepper spray her, NO. the jerk was certainly close enough to take any action he thought of, but that wasn't covered and i fact was forgotten in preparation for the attack/raid.

"The law doesn't say they need to beat on anyone."
It authorizes force and specifically uses it to enforce itself. Without force there is no law.

no. and if you meant there is no deterrence i again disagree. "no" means never/none.

"In fact, they shouldn't be beating on anyone who poses no threat to them"
Any mob is a threat,

you're judge and executioner. a "mob" = what action, attack? cordon the area?

the protesters make sure that the police understand that they are outnumbered and that they will have to use force to maintain order.
#26 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR

"they" didn't decide anything, "they" were [just] following orders.

"Uphold the law, disperse the crowd and end the problem or let the degenerates do whatever they will, disregard the law, infringe on other peoples rights and embolden more riotous acts."

there is your definition: "rioters?" riot = violence. is all violence illegal? what about:

Jefferson, in the Declaration of Independence: "when a long train of abuses and usurpations--evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism," it is the right and duty of the people "to throw off such Government." the goal of the Revolution, in that respect, was not "the overthrow or even the alteration of the existing social order but the preservation of political liberty threatened by the apparent corruption of the constitution."

There were completely within the scope of power granted to them.

by who? by what authority?

And there choice was one of two options. Uphold the law, disperse the crowd and end the problem

there was no "problem." these protest are happening all over the country, this is much bigger than your local strike march or municipal grievance. the powers that should know/realize that this is First Amendment exercise widespread, national. First Amendment prevails/looms larger.

or let the degenerates do whatever they will, disregard the law, infringe on other peoples rights

whose? any complaints? even if, this is large[r] than minor inconveniences--all marches, etc., cause inconvenience for [often] many. this isn't me busting my neighbor for lighting off fireworks in the street on the forth of july --PROHIBITED in city limits.

and embolden more riotous acts.

you keep insisting this was a "riot" when, in fact, there are no [real] complaints AND the police raid was planned simply to stop that protest--not in response to any emergency or public safety issue, much less anybody's Rights being infringed. the real Boston Tea Party infringed some people's Rights, too didn't it? the what happened next? see where this goes LEGALLY, by historic precedent even.

There had to be action taken. Now if you are arguing against the use of batons and pepper spray i will remind you that they are far less likely to cause bodily harm then trying to arrest people in a mob.

again, no "mob" (= riot = [mob] violence). no this is police using their stupid "zero tolerance for having to touch anyone"--that's where you get that attitude, btw, that they are a "degenerate mob."

that is why they are used the world over.
#78 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR

the police have to decide, each individually (speaking of world over) just like the Egyptians, the Syrians, etc., etc.

just like you! so yes, with that mentality it is difficult to condemn any single act when so many are wrong. when you suggest none of them even know the Rights, worst is the consistently violent automaton police who "just follow orders." an opposite, peaceful, attitude NOW will prevent disasters later... repetition of bad history.

Bachman for President! oh, no that was Arizona, no NEVADA candidate: "second amendment" alternatives.

There were just too many to arrest and if they were arrested en mass the mob would most likely have attacked the cops, that is what mobs do.

Attack the armed, armored cops with what, exactly? Fetuses?

What you're saying is it's too much work for the police to cite everyone and actually invoke due process, so they just give everyone a beating, and call it "close enough for government work."

If that doesn't sound like a police state to you, I don't know what woild. Though from the sound of things, you think a police state is the only one with any legitimacy.

Of course its the officer's fault - and if the fetus's dad or grand-dad kills that fuckhead-officer for fucking over his woman... that'd be self defense. Just like if someone cut off your wife's hand and you killed the bastard - appropriate self defense. And NFW blaming the victim is anything but assinine. Attending a protest is NORMAL in the USA. SHe had a right to be there. Now she has a right to that police department's budget and to eliminate ALL their fucking jobs hurting the public.

What fucking bullshit at the beginning of the thread. If that police department lacks the $ to pay the lawsuit then shut the fucking thing down. Bad police are worse than no police - and shit like this story would/will lead to police like that being named, hunted and killed.

This is a lot like the breach of trust from within the police that caused Rodney King incident. The only differences is MOST everyone else being more mature about dealing with assholes on power trips.

SHe had a right to be there. Now she has a right to that police department's budget and to eliminate ALL their fucking jobs hurting the public ..

#119 | Posted by reitze

Falcon Punch!

"19 Year-Old “Pregnant” Occupy Seattle Woman Who Said She Lost Baby Is a “Compulsive Liar” & “Drama Queen”

"Jennifer Fox has a habit of exaggerating and Seattle police are investigating the incident. Jennifer never even told her family she was pregnant like she claimed in an earlier report.
Yahoo reported:

Jennifer M. Fox says police kicked her and hit her in the stomach with a bicycle Nov. 15 and also doused her with pepper spray. She says she was three months pregnant.

The Seattle Times says Fox has declined to provide medical records supporting her claim that she had a miscarriage five days after being hit.

The Times reports that Fox’s family doubts her story.

Her former foster mother, Lark Stebbins, says Fox has a history of exaggerating and never mentioned she was pregnant when they spoke recently."

The veracity of Fox's claims that police brutality lead to a miscarriage are in doubt.

The fact that police are using pepper spray and incitement tactics is not.

Look, all that need to be said is this. The law treats a mob as a single entity, if you are part of it when it becomes an illegally assembly then you are there illegally. The police have a duty to protect order and lawfulness. So what you have is a illegal assembly that the cops lawfully try to disperse the mob forces the cops to use force so they can uphold the law and you guys get up in arms about a participant in the illegal activity. Get over it, the cops were right, no one want to see anyone get hurt but they brought this on themselves. Grow up.

"The fact that police are using pepper spray and incitement tactics is not."

Before you talk about incitement tactics you may want to look at how many of the "protesters" brought along gas masks and other things to avoid pepper spray. They were looking for this, this is what they wanted and as we have seen time and time before they would not have left until they got it.

Did anyone stop to think that maybe she was a zealot or fraud who intentionally put herself in that position to either sue, get into the papers, or get rid of an unwanted pregnancy?

Does any pregnant women willfully do what she did, place her and her baby in such a predicament?

Did anyone stop to think that maybe she was a zealot or fraud who intentionally put herself in that position to either sue, get into the papers, or get rid of an unwanted pregnancy?

You obviously did. Understandable, considering your status as a bumbling rightwing crackpot.

#126
I doubt it, she was just another lowlife looking for more handouts and was not able to think past 5 min ahead. It was only afterwards that she decided to make this crap up and go for money.

Don't understand why OWS doesn't get permits to assemble? Unless they are looking for a confrontation with the cops to get more media attention.

"The Seattle Times says Fox has declined to provide medical records supporting her claim that she had a miscarriage five days after being hit."

Some of the same people who still express doubts as to the maternity of the assorted Palin babies despite overwhelming evidence are still giving this chick the benefit of the doubt. You'd almost think these folks were partisan hacks or something.

You'd almost think these folks were partisan hacks or something.

yeah....almost. LOL

not so fast there .. as a prego mom, her FIRST responsibility is the FETUS' well-being ..
as such, she blew it and Children-Services could pursue "child-endangerment", manslaughter, or accessory to murder
as well as remove OTHER CHILDREN from her household & care
#120 | Posted by L_E_Light at 2011-11-23 07:17 AM | Reply | Flag: F'd up

So child services kidnaps kids from citizens too. That's pretty fucked up you'd say she has to live for a fetus... that's bullshit. If she doesn't care for her health she might get a rash or misscarry... that's like blaming her for a sore foot. NFW is legislating that level of morality ever going to do anything but piss off lots of people while being used to further CRIMINALIZE more people.

What is everyone upset about? She was going to the shmooshmorshin clinic later to get a shmooshmorshin. She just saved some money so now she can get another tattoo

The cops did that poor baby a favor, being born to a woman like that.

One less parasite sucking on the welfare teat.

Bring on the pepper spray and wood shampoos.

And I see (why isn't there a thread on this?) a Fox twinkie telling O'Lielly that pepper spray is merely a vegetable product. I hope they don't tell Republicans. Reagan would make it part of school lunches. herm

The whole question of whether a gathering is legal or legal is arbitrary. If you're a Nazis you can have a megaphone, if you're OWS you cannot. If you're a teabagger you can bring an automatic weapon to an Obama Rally and the police will do nothing. But if you're a student and you sit down they will spray and beat you. The police work for rich criminals, here, China, Mayenmar, Russia, its always te same. Shrub murdered 1 million Iraqis and nobody will do shit about it. Just like nothing was done when 4 were murdered at Kent State. But register your child in the wrong school district and you're going to prison for three years while they put your child in foster care or adoption. If you're a Mexican living in Albuquerque, NM police shoot you dead in the back on a regular basis.

The world is run by psychopaths. Have a beer, smoke a joint and fogetaboutit.

they do not need to use force they need to use tech.
the cops look like a bunch of fat bald Napoleons.
those "degenerates" need just as much protection
as the cops family's. what class are the cops in
the ruling or the working? Was the cop doing a
commercial for the company of the pepper spray?

This is no diffrent than a Sports star or a Rapper getting dressed to go out to the clubs then looks in the mirror and says I look good, lets go.

Then sticks a gun in his waistband as he walks out the door.

Later in the night he is either busted for the gun, has shot someone or themselves while crying to the press I didn't do nothing, its the cops always messing with me.

No dumb ass you put yourself in jail/hospital BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS.
What did you think was going to happen or could happen when you stuck the gun in your pants.

Same thing with this women going to a protest.
What did you think could or would happen at a protest....dumb ass.

...NOPE in 2012....

What did you think could or would happen at a protest....dumb ass.

In places like China or Russia this sort of thing is expected if you're nothing more than standing next to a people who are peacefully protesting. It's not the sort of thing that should happen in the United States. Traitorous dumb ass.

**** Sue the those Gutless Wall St "WHORES" a.k.a. Policemen!!!

Same thing with this women going to a protest.
What did you think could or would happen at a protest....dumb ass.

Are you seriously conflating illegally carrying a gun and protesting for the correctly of a perceived grievance?

I still think Mensa should sue your ass for defamation of character by using their name.

How dare you talk to MensaKook that way. His literary skills are second only to that of Celsary's. He's a self admitted Top CEO type of person that has exactly the same writing style of many of the 1%er's.

I would think Mensa would embrace the Kookster as one of their own...or at least that of a mascot. Similar to the funkily dressed dudes at college or Pro basketball games.

Oh well. While it is a shame she miscarried, the bigger shame is her complete and total disregard for the health and safety of her baby.

You are so far off the wall. Civil disobedience does have consequences, even in America.

The police could not do anything about the guy in Arizona who brought the rifle (NOT an automatic weapon) to the rally because it was legal and he broke NO laws. If you are going to comment, get your information right.

What kind of idiot, 2 months pregnant, would expose her fetus and herself to a protest riddled with disease and violence?

The OWS protests are not riddled with disease and violence.

We see stories all over the place of police and security agents abusing their power with Tasers, pepper spray, strip searches and the like. TSA agents are a national outrage. But instead of focusing on that, you want to fault some woman who was only two months pregnant for engaging in a street protest -- as if she pepper sprayed herself.

During the same protest in which she was hit, an elderly woman was doused with the spray in that now-famous photo. But let's not talk about police overreach. Let's blame the victims of their actions.

Are you seriously conflating illegally carrying a gun and protesting for the correctly of a perceived grievance?

I still think Mensa should sue your ass for defamation of character by using their name.

#141 | Posted by jpw

Really lame, the idea of the example was how people do not think about the consequence of things they are about to do.

At the moment the gun seemed like a good idea. It was not.

At the moment it seemed like a good idea to go to the protest while being pregnent. It was not.

A little forethought on their part would have save them from the misery they find themselves in after the fact.

As for Mensa , link to it , if you can put enough on the table..your in.

Then sue me.

However me having to explain the above leaves some doubt as to your success in either.

....NOPE in 2012....

This is her fault, she knew this could happen. She should be charged for the murder of her unborn child.

But instead of focusing on that, you want to fault some woman who was only two months pregnant for engaging in a street protest

Only two months? By some of the comments I thought she was ready to pop.

However me having to explain the above leaves some doubt as to your success in either.

It's still such a ridiculous stretch I can only laugh.

A better analogy would someone jaywalking.

It's still such a ridiculous stretch I can only laugh.

A better analogy would someone jaywalking.

#150 | Posted by jpw

Yea , people get dead from that too.

However most jaywalkers are just not paying attention when they walk out in the road and get run over.

I'm talking about the results of willful actions by people.

I'd like to see a tox screen from a hair sample on this person.
They can see back about a year on the things that you put in your body regularly.

.....NOPE in 2012....

A woman in that condition should have the good sense not to be out showing her ass so its her own fault ,no pity here!She's probably for abortion anyway!

If I was the father I would be relieved. No child support. Hooray!!!!

I'm still aghast at one of our fetal rights folk seriously (?) suggesting a murder charge against the woman because corporate goons' indiscriminate pepper-spray prematurely ended her pregnancy. Let's "try" the 1%. herm

A woman in that condition should have the good sense not to be out showing her ass

I could show you places where women in "that condition" are showing a lot more than their ass.

I thought lobs insisted that it wasnt a baby until it was born...just a collection of cells. She should never have been out in this crowd who was seeking a confrontation eighths cops, only to call themselves victims afterwards. We all knew something like this wouldhappen, and now it has. In addition, her family claims she has a history of making up lies and don't believe her story. I don't care what my beliefs are. If I were carrying a baby, I protect that baby from situations like this at all costs...and wouldn't have joined in the first place. Waiting for all he'll to break loose and then shouting, "timeout....I'm pregnant"...that's just stupid and irresponsible.

Shocking that she didn't have the child there in her lap, like so many despicable parents dragging their young children to the protests as props.

The spray had nothing medically to do with her "miscarriage", medically speaking. No way.

The spray had nothing medically to do with her "miscarriage", medically speaking. No way.

#158 | Posted by graciewilder

She said the police hit her twice in the stomach, dumb bitch.

In addition, her family claims she has a history of making up lies and don't believe her story.

#156 | Posted by Monster

She said the police hit her twice in the stomach, dumb bitch.

#159 | Posted by nullifidian

Nullifdain is the above not in your scope of undrstanding.

These people have known her her whole life and say she is a POS for the most part.

But you know better, so you slide in your snide remark because YOU THINK OR WANT the story to be the cops are at fault for this.

Remember the story was:...Cops pepper spray sitting students....

Right I forgot, you know her better than her family, you saw the cops pepper spray her, then hit her in the stomach twice.

Its a good thing you where there to tell us the stright and unbias story of what took place.

....NOPE in 2012.....

She said the police hit her twice in the stomach, dumb bitch.

#159 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2011-11-24 08:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

And she refuses to allow her medical records to be released to show if that's true or not. Can't even gather up the brainpower to read an article, just automatically assuming everything bad about the cops anyone says is true.

Wow Sallygaydar...

You sure know a lot about police tactics...

It's funny though, that the police here in Portland didn't use ANY of those tactics to control the OWS here. They went in and physically removed the protesters from the parks; no excessive force or pepper spray needed. Finally after six weeks and multiple engagements with protesters there was pepper spray used ONCE. And, because of this EVERYONE including the protesters have a renewed and greater sense of respect for our police force and the protests have become increasingly civil...

The only people who are complaining are the right wing dip-shits like you who desperately want the police to be violent because you don't agree with the protests. But, someday you might agree with a protest, and I hope that you get the treatment you've repeatedly endorsed for others... because unlike the OWS protesters, shitheads like you deserve getting your heads kicked in...

And, using GOTP logic, a woman who goes out on he town dressed up is just begging to be gang-raped...

Wait, what am I saying... the GOTP doesn't posses any logic...

Libs will Boo Hooo now that it's convenient for them. A baby? A fetus? NEVER!!! Well......ummm.....now it is because it benefits us and how dare the police and the system and the_______and the________

Ahhh the life of a lying worthless hypocrite. Oh yes and lets raise our fists in fury for the loss of life but SHHHHHHHHHH when it comes to the rape victims at these gatherings, quiet, don't say a word.

It's ok, we're all rapists sympathizers, we'll just call you RS for short. You guys are just beautiful, you make me smile and filled with joy for all this wonderful exposure you've given us. TY TY TY

You sure know a lot about police tactics...

It's funny though, that the police here in Portland didn't use ANY of those tactics to control the OWS here. They went in and physically removed the protesters from the parks; no excessive force or pepper spray needed. Finally after six weeks and multiple engagements with protesters there was pepper spray used ONCE. And, because of this EVERYONE including the protesters have a renewed and greater sense of respect for our police force and the protests have become increasingly civil...

The only people who are complaining are the right wing dip-shits like you who desperately want the police to be violent because you don't agree with the protests. But, someday you might agree with a protest, and I hope that you get the treatment you've repeatedly endorsed for others... because unlike the OWS protesters, shitheads like you deserve getting your heads kicked in...

#162 | Posted by CaptOfUranus

WTF...are you blabbering about.
You're all over the place, just like the OWS people.
Try to stay focused so you make sense to the people you are trying to get your point acrossed to.

Reread your own post, you start out making several points then you contradict them and contradict them again.

Then in the end you make huge assumptions about what you think other people are thinking with regard to wanting people hurt by the cops because the "right wing dip shits"....don't agree with the protesters.

If you were paying attention you would hear/see the "us right wing dip shits" agree with about half of what the OWS protesters are saying.
The other half is just babble and nobody is hearing that...nobody.

Finally, you are at the wrong address:
Try 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington D.C., thats where the problems you/we are complaining about stem from.

This is not a RIGHT or LEFT thing its about your country and the people who are running it now and how THEY have brought us to this point in our history.

Obama and his crew have been wrong at every turn...EVERY TURN.

Try reading the thread (On the D.R.) about how companys will begain to employ people as soon a Obama is gone and ......WHY.

Read it with an open mind, put yourself in the place of the business owner. You will see why YOU would do the same thing they are and how they are traped by Govt. Regs.

.....NOPE in 2012..... for all our sakes.

#165 MansAKook...

You need to take a reading comprehension course...

Sorry if my post wasn't direct enough, and clear enough for your 3 second attention span...

Reread my post, then contrast it with your rambling nonsense...

Please direct me to posts in which GOTPers do anything but deride OWS...

The GOTPers here and elsewhere constantly blather on about wishing the OWS crowd would "get a beatdown"... do you read... at all???

The reason OWS is vague is because once you focus your agenda you start to alienate groups of people. Remaining vaguely defined let's them represent the largest demographic of frustrated Americans; it's by design, einstein...

And, I thought last week you GOTPers were sceeching that Wall Street owned Obama , if so , why wouldn't taking the fight to the source of the problem not be the most logical course of action???

And, companies are making a political statement by not hiring, and it's mostly bullshit. Taxes are the lowest they've been for decades, and regulation is as lax as it has ever been...

Please point out specifically what Obama has done to inhibit job growth???

And, given that Obama is an incumbent with a stable 45% approval rating, and 84% of the American people "like him as a person", Obama is almost certainly going to be our next president. And, thank god, I don't believe America could take another four years of failed inept GOTP policies..

Please point out specifically what Obama has done to inhibit job growth???

He killed OBL, meaning fewer construction jobs in downtown Manhattan because the next 9/11 doesn't happen.

And he signed a bill letting kids stay on their parents health insurance until age 26, meaning less work for lawyers and bill collectors chasing down young people who needed health care but didn't have insurance because they couldn't find a job in the first place.

Let's blame the victims of their actions.

#146 | Posted by rcade

IOf she had been raped it would have been her fault too, of course.

Got a better name for jobless, future-less, burnouts, ex-hippies and druggies?

#110 | Posted by salamandagator

Our children and your future leaders? Remember the 60s? Where are all those "dirty hippies" who protested Nixon and Vietnam and those marxist civil rights protesters now?

#168 | Posted by donnerboy at 2011-11-25 01:29 PM

It still blows me away that there are people out there who believe OWS protests consist ONLY of left wing, unemployed, drug users.

If this is what you believe, you don't have any clue what is going on. Hundreds of thousands of right wing conservative republicans lost out during the mortgage fraud over the past decade. They are smart enough to know who is at fault (not homeowners, but corrupt CEOs). OWS is protesting the same shit Tea Party was - bailouts for the top corporations who would have gone under without government intervention.

Where's the beef?

Please point out specifically what Obama has done to inhibit job growth???

you can't fix stupid can you?

And she refuses to allow her medical records to be released to show if that's true or not. Can't even gather up the brainpower to read an article, just automatically assuming everything bad about the cops anyone says is true.

#161 | Posted by soheifox

Sorry you can't gather your "brain power" to see what's really happening but she needs a lawyer first before she releases anything. The cops are fucking up left and right. They need training in crowd control. Any reasonable person could see this. Their only interest now (like yours) is proving her wrong to save their bacon.

#171 | Posted by donnerboy at 2011-11-25 02:37 PM

Procedures for crowd control most definitely need reform within the standards of policing if these incidences across the country are considered "standard law enforcement procedures".

Just as the severity of punishment must fit the severity of the crime in the criminal justice system, the severity of force used for crowd control should fit the severity of threat portrayed by the crowd. Unarmed peaceful protest should not be viewed as a "massive potential threat justifying actions such as blows to the head, stomach, or torso using battons."

Sorry you can't gather your "brain power" to see what's really happening but she needs a lawyer first before she releases anything. The cops are fucking up left and right. They need training in crowd control. Any reasonable person could see this. Their only interest now (like yours) is proving her wrong to save their bacon.

#171 | Posted by donnerboy

I agree that the cops are being way too overly aggressive. But, what's even more disgusting is that this fact is widely known and this idiot, knowing she was pregnant and knowing that the cops could hurt her, participated anyway.

#172 Rsty you are absolutely right on and so it is very much NW.

In fact, in a recent lawsuit by Amy Goodman from Democracy Now! against the Minneapolis police AND the secret service (Hey Chairpoodles! she won!) part of the settlement was that the police and secret service get exactly this kind of training. Unfortunately, it only applies to procedures for with dealing with the Press at this time but it should apply to dealing peacefully with ALL citizens.

Hopefully, if this case turns out to be valid, some patriotic lawyer will step forward to represent this woman on behalf of all citizens too.

The three journalists will receive a $100,000 settlement from the St. Paul and Minneapolis police departments and the U.S. Secret Service, to compensate for medical expenses and damaged property. The St. Paul Police Department will also be required to implement training for procedures on dealing with the press at demonstrations.

But, what's even more disgusting is that this fact is widely known and this idiot, knowing she was pregnant and knowing that the cops could hurt her, participated anyway.

#173 | Posted by Eddie

yeah it is so disgusting to see those pregnant women wanting a better world for their children to be born into trying to actively participate in American Democracy. Who do they think they are?

They should be barefoot and in the kitchen when they are (2 months) pregnant. Every good Christian Fundie knows this. Having this child (allegedly) aborted by the police this way was obviously Gods will. And who are we to question Gods will?

We average Americans have gone from semi publicly influenced democratic society to one that is overwhelmed with a corrupt bankster and corporate owned government. Those with critical thinking capabilities are beginning to uncover the truth, and are getting pissed. One could well believe that in 18th century France the same progression happened and it was before the guillotines were actually sharpened.

We the people are being stuck with the bills and thievery of the "billionaire oligarch bankster kapitalist class" with loss of our publicly owned assets and promised services. Meanwhile greedy tribal assholes and their media from CBS to CNBC proclaim that Christmas goodwill and consumerism from China and free trade is good for the sheep.

Why isn't it coming out of the police pension fund and reduce liabilities to taxpayers and payouts to recipients? We humans respond to pain and personal loss of money more than anything else.

yeah it is so disgusting to see those pregnant women wanting a better world for their children to be born into trying to actively participate in American Democracy. Who do they think they are?

They should be barefoot and in the kitchen when they are (2 months) pregnant. Every good Christian Fundie knows this. Having this child (allegedly) aborted by the police this way was obviously Gods will. And who are we to question Gods will?

#175 | Posted by donnerboy

Don't make it so obvious when you lose a argument. How pathetic can you get Donnerboy?

She knew that the police were being aggressive and she put her unborn child in harms way. Sorry, but she's an idiot for doing that.

In addition, the OWS are not protesting? They are idiots and get sympathy from no one.

I would support them if they protested Universities for charging them $100,000 for a worthless degree. I would support them if they protested the White House for their Corporatism. I would support them if they protested Congress for their Corporatism.

Sorry Donnerboy, but these rallies are full of losers and users without a clue.

I can't wait for this response.

As the tab for the damage by Occupy protests nears $22,000,000.00 "Jennifer Fox a "compulsive liar" and "drama queen", she's used the same line - that she was three months pregnant - during an arrest back in August. She also tried to lure some young children from their mother back in the summer."

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Typical leftist sheep.

#179 | Posted by KBM

Cut-and-paste got your tongue, shitforbrains?

#179 | POSTED BY KBM AT 2011-11-25 06:15 PM

Interesting take, but the medical records will inevitably be needed to prove her lawsuit.

Filing a lawsuit takes time and money. If she really is a compulsive liar and is pulling everyone's leg regarding this, she must not have been very compelling or successful at lying in the past.

She will spend a ton of money pursuing a lawsuit without any evidence? Good luck with that.

#180 | Posted by nullifidian

You're not defending this idiot woman are you?

She knew that the police were being aggressive and she put her unborn child in harms way. Sorry, but she's an idiot for doing that.

yes we can all see how she was "hiding" behind her unborn child.

In addition, the OWS are not protesting? They are idiots and get sympathy from no one.

It was a peaceful protest. She had as much right to be there just as you and I have a right to be there. (well, except you are obviously a weak limpwristed pussy and I would never expect to see you at a real protest.) I have been to plenty of protests with no expectation of the police being violent to me as I had no intention of being violent to them. I would reasonably expect more danger from driving there and back home.

SEATTLE â€"
Seattle police have launched an internal investigation after a 19-year-old woman says she suffered a miscarriage after being pepper sprayed at an Occupy Seattle protest.

Jennifer M. Fox says police kicked her and hit her in the stomach with a bicycle Nov. 15 and also doused her with pepper spray. She says she was three months pregnant.

The Seattle Times says Fox has declined to provide medical records supporting her claim that she had a miscarriage five days after being hit.

Seattle police spokesman Mark Jamieson says the department is looking into the situation because of the seriousness of the allegations.

The Times reports that Fox's family doubts her story.

Her former foster mother, Lark Stebbins, says Fox has a history of exaggerating and never mentioned she was pregnant when they spoke recently

Stupid fucks.

Stupid fucks.

#184 | POSTED BY REXZEITGEIST AT 2011-11-25 06:47 PM

Let the lawsuit play out instead of relying on foster mom's comments.

"when they spoke recently." Just how recent is that?

Anecdotal information only goes so far. If this woman has a case (lawsuit), she must provide evidence proving her allegation. If she drops the case, then we all know she was lying.

If she doesn't, well she must have some good evidence (i.e. medical records). Time will tell, not the foster mom.

It was a peaceful protest. She had as much right to be there just as you and I have a right to be there.
#183 | Posted by donnerboy

I agree with you. We need to protect the stupid, lying assholes in this country. I hear what you are saying Donnerboy, it's just that you haven't presented an argument against what I am saying.

She is a liar, dumbass, she was lying, the local media destroyed this phony story days ago......

Fucking retard.

No you get ticketed, then booted and then towed perhaps,you moron!