its always so comfortablly revealing to hear clips of liberals proving over and over that the first amendment according to them only applies to people who agree with them.

thank you

AH THE WILY GODfATHER

ADDS clip of barry being harrassed..

HEY thats why he's the 'godfather'...

One two, one two...

"If you believe in free speech you will wait for the Q&A session.......................
... the Q&A session will come after I ruin your country with my words...

Pretty hilarious that the OWS retards would target Ron Paul. How braindead are they exactly?

Unfocused anger is a what separates a mob from a group of protesters. OWS is a mob.

Can't stop yelling "mic check!" as I work today at home. Wife won't play along. I think she's one of the 1%.

Its almost as hypocritical as republicans who forget democracy means the majority rules.

Heckling has a long distinguished history in American politics. It is an obnoxious, yet often effective way of expressing contempt for a person who is about to bloviate. I remember back in 1980 the Young Republicans were going around to various Jimmy Carter campaign appearances and heckling all the speakers, - in many cases preventing them from even being heard.

Unfocused anger is a what separates a mob from a group of protesters. OWS is a mob.

A "mob" is a group of protesters you don't like.

OWS is not unfocused. It is protesting income inequality and the power of corporations over government. It is also protesting how cops and other officials are clamping down on free speech and free assembly. These are valid concerns.

Suits me fine. I also like it when the Tea Partiers started showing up at liberal democrats' town halls. I like it when racing fans heckle the first ladies. I love it when someone in Congress yells out "LIAR!" during a Zero speech.

And now the liberal democrats don't host them town hall thingies anymore.

#8
You are aware that the US is not a democracy right?

"Can't stop yelling "mic check!" as I work today at home. Wife won't play along. I think she's one of the 1%"

My dad used to say he wasn't rich but his wife and kids were...

Its almost as hypocritical as republicans who forget democracy means the majority rules.

#8 | Posted by RADICALRANDY at 2011-11

what a WONDERFULL INSIGHT into this and future posts by you.

"Can't stop yelling "mic check!" as I work today at home. Wife won't play along. I think she's one of the 1%."

Do you use the new 99%'er ebonics when you talk to her? The silent hand gestures, and echo some speaker's words being repeated by the mob of freaks?

Did it derive from "if you're happy and you know it clap your hands"?

#10
Uh oh, looks like rcade may have gotten a contact high from them. Which is weird, that level of delusion comes from hallucinogens which are usually not communicable.

My dad used to say he wasn't rich but his wife and kids were...

#13 | Posted by Sully at 2011-11-22 01:10 PM

AND on movie last nite heard great definition of marriage

FIND a woman you hate and buy her a house...

A "mob" is a group of protesters you don't like.

That is 1000% untrue and you should know by now that I don't play those games. They are very unfocused as shown by their shifting rational for what they are against and, as you clearly put it yesterday, the lack of any clue what they hope to achieve.

No endgame and no clear reason = unfocused.

These filty beasts forgot Obama was on their side.

Rove - lucky nobody there had a gun
Paul - part of the 99%, enjoying himself finally
Obama - fucking dishonest evil smuck trying to maneuver and claim he represents the opposite of his track-record of working for the TARP, QE, QE2, extra wars, and fascist medical mandate. What a FUCKING BUMMER.

Mic check that fucker - good! Not get the impeachment before he fastly gets furious and tries walking guns over your drugs and food.

And adding homework? WTF that's wrong. As if the hours dedicated to the day aren't enough to accomplish the fascist brainwashing called education while loaded with falsehoods and skipping the Alamo...

Those who don't remember the past ARE CONDEMNED to repeat it. Welcome to Germany 1939. Gay? Jew? Political? Better buy guns because this time there's nowhere else to run where you wouldn't be a drone-strike wet-dream for some Betray-us pervert.

Seems its just a matter of time since the USA has stopped making widgets. Everything else is just parasites passing around the remaining $ till its gone. It won't be long till the thugs turn on each-other in total chaos. A-la Rome, et tu USA.

Sorry, you didn't say no clue of what they hope to achieve. You did say:

I'm not a huge fan of OWS. I think the jury is still out on whether they're accomplishing anything.

#50 | Posted by rcade at 2011-11-21 03:47 PM |

Sorry to mis-categorize

"I'm right here!"

-Paddy O'Furniture

anyone can join ows. its kinda like a basement frat orgy, not that i've ever been in one...

so its natural that eventually some agent provocateurs would infiltrate the "movement" to create the impression that it is an unfocused mob.

in many ways, america sometimes comes across as an unfocused mob.

Nice thread RCADE and mic check .... LOL

As I viewed and read the thread I couldn't decide what to say cause still thinking.....Keep it up OWS, it is exactly what this country needs to get the politicians out of office and get people in office who actually care about the people.

#14 â€" what does that comment mean? Youre mentally bankrupt?

Let me explain my comment for you. The majority of us elected a democrat to get us out of dumb wars, provide health care for everyone, level the economic playing field, look out for the majority, etc… Now if you believe in democracy then STFU and get out of the way! And that goes for abortion too.

@Rcade - Thankfully you OSW IDIOTS are no where near a majority of anything! So shut up!

If the mob is unfocused now, just think what will happen when they become focused.

Kenrei doesn't like the OWS but that's because he doesn't understand what is going on out in the real world, life has always been a gift to him....kenrei, say hi to the winklevosses for me!

Mic Check by RATM
Oh Wait a minute now
Ha ha ha
Come on
Wait a Minute Now
Check

To tha young r to tha e tha b to tha e tha l
Never give up just live up
Fed upon America
We be spittin' it up
Rippin' it up
For an even amount in each cup
To my brothers burning bare feet on black top
Whose curled 'neath tha shadows
From tha gaze of tha cops
Whose huntin' for 9 to 5's through factory locks
Is now hunted on this modern day auction block

Mic Check, ha ha ha
I be the anti-myth rhythm rock shocker
Mic Check, ha ha ha ha
I be the anti-myth rhythm rock shocker, what?
Mic Check, ha ha ha
I be the anti-myth rhythm rock shocker
Mic Check, ha ha ha ha
I be the anti-myth rhythm rock shocker, what?

Check check check check the check, oh
packin

Flexin' and mashin'
With complex text
Fast and in a fashion
That snap back necks
Quicker than a fed cash tha company checks
Come with tha fire only Marley could catch
This be tha flame in tha cellar beware
Nameless cold millions gaspin' for air
Those naked and wageless
Now scream within cages
What, they make you pull your shit
Just to get your share, what?

Mic Check, ha ha ha
I be the anti-myth rhythm rock shocker
Mic Check, ha ha ha ha
I be the anti-myth rhythm rock shocker, what?
Mic Check, ha ha ha
I be the anti-myth rhythm rock shocker
Mic Check, ha ha ha ha
I be the anti-myth rhythm rock shocker, what?

Welcome down with the warrior sound, UGH!

With this mic device
I spit nonfiction
Who got tha power
This be my question
Tha mass of tha few in this torn nation?
Tha priest tha book or tha congregation?
Tha politricks who rob and hold down your zone?
Or those who give tha thieves tha key to their homes?
Tha pig who's free to murder one Shucklak
Or survivors who make a move and murder one back?

Kenrei doesn't like the OWS but that's because he doesn't understand what is going on out in the real world, life has always been a gift to him....kenrei, say hi to the winklevosses for me!

#27 | Posted by moneywar at 2011-11-22 01:21 PM

Fuck your condescending self slowly with a device out of Se7en.

"ut that's because he doesn't understand what is going on out in the real world,"

As if any of the OWS have any idea what the real world is. I guess there may be a few moments of clarity between tokes but that would be about it.

mic check

Did this originate with that Howard Stern flunky/clown doing the "mic check" at the Repube "debate"?

Did this originate with that Howard Stern flunky/clown doing the "mic check" at the Repube "debate"?

I think with the Rage Against the Machine lyrics I posted. For example:

To my brothers burning bare feet on black top
Whose curled 'neath tha shadows
From tha gaze of tha cops
Whose huntin' for 9 to 5's through factory locks
Is now hunted on this modern day auction blocks

OWS is not unfocused. It is protesting income inequality and the power of corporations over government.

Call it what you want, they are morons if that is their objective and they are protesting Ron Paul.

" Pretty hilarious that the OWS retards would target Ron Paul. How braindead are they exactly?"

Not as hilarious as believing Paul is still a government outsider, after 25 years of being employed in "government".

And now the liberal democrats don't host them town hall thingies anymore.

Well that and righties shooting them in the head.

Neither do the tighty righties, RIR, after they and their supporters got around to reading the Ryan budget they voted for. Apparently not even tea baggers are willing to throw granny off the cliff when the lights are on.

The irony is that OWS and the Tea Party are somewhat similar. The Tea Party focuses on Big Government and all it's excesses. OWS focuses on Big Banks and Big Businesses and all their excesses. Both movements involve masses of ordinary people who feel disempowered by the wealthy power elites and want to take back some of that power.

That is 1000% untrue and you should know by now that I don't play those games. They are very unfocused as shown by their shifting rational for what they are against and, as you clearly put it yesterday, the lack of any clue what they hope to achieve.

I don't know if they will amount to anything, as I said yesterday, but their ability to get the country to talk for weeks about income inequality and corporations owning the government has been impressive. And they seem to be able to think on the fly, as this "mic check!" trend shows.

"mic check"

1. can drink. check.
2. can kick ass. check.
3. can drink AND kick ass at the same time. check.
4. good footballer. check.
5. better than the fucking british.. check.
6. can drink, kick fucking british ass, and play good football all at the same time. FUCKING A CHECK!

Anyone who shuts up that POS Rove, if even for just a few minutes is doing a service for America. I don't really care if it is PC or not, I hate that mother fucker.

#10 | Posted by rcade

OWS is not unfocused. It is protesting income inequality and the power of corporations over government. It is also protesting how cops and other officials are clamping down on free speech and free assembly. These are valid concerns.
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But they forgot that other people have rights, and the Cops are protecting the other people.

Unfocused anger is a what separates a mob from a group of protesters. OWS is a mob.

#6 | POSTED BY KANREI

Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they are a mob.

their ability to get the country to talk for weeks about income inequality and corporations owning the government has been impressive.

Cart leading the horse? These are things which we have never stopped talking about and it comes up every 2 years. This is like my mother blaming Clinton for popularizing blow jobs among youth as if her generation didn't make the movie Deep Throat.

OWS is an event and nothing more. As Danni said a few weeks ago, it is a blank forum for anyone to be heard. It, like the Tea Party when it first started, has no central leadership and therefore no central theme. People in any city can claim the OWS banner and do whatever they want and there is no organization to say "that does not reflect what we are about."

But they forgot that other people have rights, and the Cops are protecting the other people.

What people were the UC-Davis cops protecting when they pepper sprayed college kids who were sitting on the ground?

These are things which we have never stopped talking about and it comes up every 2 years.

The mainstream media and the squawking heads on cable news were never talking about income inequality before OWS.

Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they are a mob.

#41 | Posted by Legio at 2011-11-22 01:35 PM |

Again with the "just because you don't like them" comment. Assign moral postitions to someone else.

"Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they are a mob."

No, but their actions and demeanor does.

"What people were the UC-Davis cops protecting when they pepper sprayed college kids who were sitting on the ground?"

The rest of us.

"UC Davis Students AGREED to Be Pepper Sprayed Before Incident (Video)"

"For some reason this didn't make it into any of the liberal media reports on the incident; just like the fact that the protesters were chanting "f*ck the police" never made it into any reports."

"As a Policeman bends over to tell the “Leader” of the protesters that they are going to be sprayed, the “Leader” responds (At the very beginning of the video):

"Your shooting us specifically? No that's fine, that's fine."

As if any of the OWS have any idea what the real world is. I guess there may be a few moments of clarity between tokes but that would be about it.

#30 | Posted by salamandagator at 2011-11-22 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag

Like you would even know!!! You're worse than Kenrei because you just blindly follow and believe the made up shit from any hear say conjectured source because that is what you want to hear.

"The mainstream media and the squawking heads on cable news were never talking about income inequality before OWS."

Bull, but they may have been a little wary of the subject seeing as who usually comes into power when the sheep are used to start a class war.

#49

No, i do not believe the crap OWS is spewing.

Oh, you meant that as an insult to those that are intelligent enough to see what is really going on, my bad.

@Rcade - Thankfully you OSW IDIOTS are no where near a majority of anything! So shut up!
#26 | Posted by KJinAZ at 2011-11-22 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag: ignorant!

Pretending they don't exist while they continue to focus their list of issues will lead to it being obvious.

The idea reminded me of this youtuber's videos expressing why he should be elected mayor in his small home town (Welland Canada).

mainstream media and the squawking heads on cable news were never talking about income inequality before OWS.

Posted by rcade at 2011-11-22 01:37 PM |

Would you like to rethink and correct that before I retort it and prove you wrong?

You are aware that the US is not a democracy right?

You can keep telling yourself that, but when some republican tells us that "we're against this because a majority of Americans are against this", then the "we aren't a democracy" argument pretty much burns itself out.

#54
Um' you do know what a republic is right?
And you do know how both are incorporated in our system right?
Hence democratic republic.

Shit, we should all listen and cow toe to salamandagator....he know so much.....LOL

how goes it down in niceville?

So does this mean it is officially ok for the Tea Party to mic check Obama?

Kanrei, seriously, to claim that OWS has not played a major role in amping up the focus on income disparity in the USA is silly. Yes, of course, it has always been a topic hovering at the fringes of most economic conversations. But with OWS, the issue has taken up front and center.

As I viewed and read the thread I couldn't decide what to say cause still thinking.....Keep it up OWS, it is exactly what this country needs to get the politicians out of office and get people in office who actually care about the people.

#24 | Posted by moneywar at 2011-11-22 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

OK, I hear ya, and don't take this the wrong way, but ... tell us who those "people who actually care" are. Is it you? Are you running for something? If not, who's going to fill all those elected positions? Is there like a People Who Care slate? 'Cause I want to vote them all in.

Everybody here, and the OWS people, and the Tea Party people - we're all madder than hell. This guy sucks, that guy sucks. All we need to do is get the "people who actually care" elected, and it'll all be better.

Sorry, human nature being what it is, there is no messiah. It ain't Barack Obama, it ain't Karl Rove, it ain't Ron Paul. The world is fucked up and the economy is fucked up because of human nature. It took us a long time to get here, and it'll take a long time to get better. It's going to be a messy process of self-preservation -- yet balanced, one would hope, by an acknowledgment that there is a greater morality beyond simply "I've got mine."

"But with OWS, the issue has taken up front and center."

No, it has only drawn the focus away by their stupid antics. You see 10 stories about crime or a mess they left for each one that even brings up any point they want to make.

The rest of us.

Exactly what danger were you in from college kids sitting down with interlocking arms on their campus?

Kanrei, seriously, to claim that OWS has not played a major role in amping up the focus on income disparity in the USA is silly. Yes, of course, it has always been a topic hovering at the fringes of most economic conversations. But with OWS, the issue has taken up front and center.

That's what I meant. Income inequality was something for the occasional article in The Nation, but nothing cable news gave a crap about.

Um' you do know what a republic is right?
And you do know how both are incorporated in our system right?
Hence democratic republic.

you're living in a representative democracy.

the only place where republic is even an accurate description of the united states is to say that we're governed by a system other than a monarchy. republic is such a broad term that it's impossible to use to accurately describe our system of government.

and yet, the majority still rules...despite who I vote to send to represent me in local, state or national interests.

Kanrei just doesn't like the group, doesn't know why but it just puts a burr in his craw!

It so funny when people actually begin to exercise their rights and protest grievances seen by government actions and those who know nothing or could careless of the grievances for maintaining the status quo bebelch the change.

Income inequality was something for the occasional article in The Nation, but nothing cable news gave a crap about.

#62 | Posted by rcade at 2011-11-22 01:55 PM

Check my link. BBC, NYT, etc are the sources for stories about income inequity and that list goes back to 2004.

Saying OWS is responsible for the media's concern about income inequity during an election cycle in a bad economy is like saying college kids never drank to excess until recently.

So does this mean it is officially ok for the Tea Party to mic check Obama?

#58 | Posted by callme_james

No. He's black and that would be racist.

and yet, the majority still rules...despite who I vote to send to represent me in local, state or national interests.

#63 | Posted by Axiom at 2011-11-22 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag

We are a republic in """LAW"""

Moneywar still seeks attention. Isn't past your nap time? The adults are trying to talk here.

"Exactly what danger were you in from college kids sitting down with interlocking arms on their campus?"

The danger of a mob being able to override individual rights just because they sat down. The danger of CRIMINALS winning because of political sympathy or fear. The Danger of more and more illegal activity because the cops did not do anything about it. The danger of promoting the idea that law has no effect on the people.

Saying OWS is responsible for the media's concern about income inequity during an election cycle in a bad economy is like saying college kids never drank to excess until recently.

#65 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag

LOL...you clearly show us why you lack understanding to what is going on around you.

You tangently touch on making what you say be truthful in your world of belief but miss the entire reality of what is actually showing to the rest of the country.

open your eyes boy, it will do you loads of good.

OWS has put many of the back page topics to the front and center page and kept it there across the country and you are bemoaning such a thing even though you like what they are protesting about. Now how delusional is that!!!

Once again, the only thing clear is that it is way past your nap time Money. The adults are trying to talk without your emotional reality-deprived rhetoric. Since you are blogging from Dreamland, lay your head down and commit to being there.

" The danger of promoting the idea that law has no effect on the people." How about the idea that the law has no effect because law enforcement considers themselves to be above the law all too often? How about the idea that the concept of "law" has been compromised by the ability of "money" to buy influence with lawmakers? OWS is trying to show America what real democracy is, that's why there is no list of demands, no policies, it is supposed to an opportunity for any individual to express their opinions as opposed to what we have in Congress where only the views of those who can afford lobbyists are actually heard. When will those so concerned with the hygeine of the protesters shift their attention to the broken government those protesters are protesting...or are you goint to try to claim that the government isn't broken, isn't bought and paid for, isn't corrupt?

#60 CBOB â€" very true, human nature is fucking us all up. The solution is to expect the worst and build in checks and balances into every facet of human endeavor. In addition, there should be some physiological test before anyone can run for an office. Traits like empathy, altruism, courage, honesty, humility should be prerequisites . Maybe even breed people to be politicians.

The danger of a mob being able to override individual rights just because they sat down.

Really!!??? override whose individual rights? Sitting down made them a threat?

you are bemoaning such a thing even though you like what they are protesting about. Now how delusional is that!!!

Posted by moneywar at 2011-11-22 02:03 PM |

Poor boy has no clue. I like what they are protesting about? I have been very clear that they are unclear on what they are protesting about, so I can't like what they won't say. You have spun yourself dizzy and are so eager to try and play a "gotcha card" with me that you are making up your own points to argue against.

The danger of CRIMINALS winning because of political sympathy or fear.

Criminals??? Really??? Who were the criminals? From my point the only criminals were the police and they got a free pass to commit assault because they work for the government.

"override whose individual rights? Sitting down made them a threat?"

The administration, the students, the cops, all of us.

OBAMA, Mic Check... Is your daughter traveling anytime soon? You fucking rapist prick!

"Who were the criminals?"

The ones who were disregarding the California penal code.

This is all it's left when the libs don't get their way. Obama's campaign song: The Thrill is Gone (BBKing)

I have been very clear that they are unclear on what they are protesting about

Now who is unclear? LOL...I have asked my nephew of 14 about OWS and even he knows what they are protesting about.

#72
I am confused as to why you quoted me then said nothing about my post.

"The administration, the students, the cops, all of us." What complete nonsense. None of those other people were harmed in any way.

Salam, I agree with the quote and not, the "...." and running the response all together is just confusing and lazy. Obama must have taught her.

Kanrei..

for you

" None of those other people were harmed in any way."

Really, that is why they called the cops in the first place. The protesters were disturbing the peace on campus, refused to leave when asked by the people with the property rights. Disrupted the educational process of the majority of the students and put the cops in a situation that could have easily gotten out of control as have many when the same "movement" has been involved. And that still does not address the FACT that they were still acting illegally and the law dictates that they needed to be dispersed and fined or arrested.

Kliff,

This sentence from that link sums up the Retort's blind support of OWS to a tee:

Because all I know is that when I see white people regularly yelling at police officers then something good is happening.

#83, #82, #72, Danni you're loosing me too. I know you love obama - but just blindly changing obama obama obama like that crowd did in an effort to shout down the mic check... seemed too little, too late, lame and pathetic. The issues induced against the constitution are quite clear putting Obama against the 99% of this nation who VALUE THE CONSTITUTION over and above law enforcement. Freedom over enslaving prisons for school-aged people. Fuck Obama he's 1% of 1% - and is destroying our nation for the sake of his foreign manipulators (at best, and yes at worse is possibly even Satanic).

"Disrupted the educational process of the majority of the students and put the cops in a situation that could have easily gotten out of control as have many when the same "movement" has been involved." Yeah, I've seen the video, they were extremely dangerous. Hilarious.Had the Civil Rights protesters followed your rules we would never have ended Jim Crow in this country. We'd still be fighting in Vietnam.

Check my link. BBC, NYT, etc are the sources for stories about income inequity and that list goes back to 2004.

Your link is to a site that considers the issue of income inequality a major cover up. The existence of around 10-15 news stories on a subject going back to 2004 does not disprove my point. Every year Project Censored compiles news stories that are being wrongly ignored by the major media.

Income inequality has been a major issue since OWS. Before that, it was getting very little attention. That is a big deal.

This is funny too:

Admittedly, Occupy has a diverse set of goals. Because it turns out that when nearly everything is fucked up nearly everything needs fixing. And, thankfully, there is a sign somewhere out there for everything.

Unfocused.

"Fuck Obama he's 1% of 1% - and is destroying our nation for the sake of his foreign manipulators (at best, and yes at worse is possibly even Satanic)." Take your meds and then let's see if your posts appear less insane. You may require a more powerful dose.

When Harvard students whose parents pay for their education start their own OWS then people start to wonder if these folks have a clue.

The existence of around 10-15 news stories on a subject going back to 2004 does not disprove my point.

It does actually. You claimed the media NEVER reported this until OWS. 10-15 stories going back to 2004 (pre-OWS) shows this was an issue being debated and discussed prior to OWS and that they are not the reason it is an issue today.

"Yeah, I've seen the video, they were extremely dangerous."

Dangerous or not they were criminals. And do you really expect the cops to forget how quickly these peaceful "protests" can turn violent? The WTO was a wakeup for enforcement, they have no choice but to deal with the problem before it grows out of control. It only takes one, and with the history of the "movement" that is not just a possibility but a probablity.

I can't understand for the life of me why they would go after Ron Paul if they had any concrete understanding as to what they, or Ron Paul, actually stood for.

If anything, Ron Paul should be mic checking OWS.

Your link is to a site that considers the issue of income inequality a major cover up.

Don't care about their point of view, but that they link to numerous news reports from mainstrem sources like MSNBC, CNN, BCC, NYT, Washington Post, etc all discussing a subject you said was not talked about in the mainstream media.

You work with hyperbole and I answer that hyperbole.

-You claimed the media NEVER

A pettifog of which even Lil' Joe would be proud.

A pettifog of which even Lil' Joe would be proud.

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2011-11-22 02:26 PM |

Misses the forest and the trees because he is too busy making fun of the leaves.

These fleabaggers are spoiled little brats chanting and whining and shitting and squatting...

It's the 18+ y/o liberals version of stomping your feet as you go upstairs in a huff after mommy and daddy didn't give you that new bike you wanted for christmas.

Seriously, what a giant group of scum. The true dregs of society.
The only thing more laughable then those unemployed loafs are the retards that actually try to convince people that they're making a difference, or have a coherant message. The average american thinks they're a joke, lazy, and trash, and the average american is right.

#43 | Posted by rcade

What people were the UC-Davis cops protecting when they pepper sprayed college kids who were sitting on the ground?
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Small business owners in NY complained about OWS because they saw a big drop in profits which means a big drop in tax revenue, so the Mayors stepped in.

I'm all for protesting and I have no problem with OWS as long as they don't get in way, and that is not what is happening, and that is why the Mayors have clamped down.

"Misses the forest and the trees because he is too busy making fun of the leaves."

The really sad part is that corky would still be doing that in a conifer forest.

Sally was in a forest once... after the bear shit him.

Rcade opened the hyperbolic door when he said "never reported." The moment hyperbole is introduced, it WILL be addressed to return the conversation to reality.

"'m all for protesting and I have no problem with OWS as long as they don't get in way,"

Honestly, protesting is only effective when it gets in the way but whining about the effects of the outcome you knew was coming only goes to show how pathetic these fools are.

"Sally was in a forest once... after the bear shit him."

That was supposed to be an insult?

Its almost as hypocritical as republicans who forget democracy means the majority rules.

#8 | POSTED BY RADICALRANDY AT 2011-11-22 01:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG

What's this "Proposition 8" bullshit again?

Only to the bear.... they are usually more picky about the kind of trash they eat....

To anyone interested in why I have problems with OWS, I will refer them to this post:

OWS is an event and nothing more. As Danni said a few weeks ago, it is a blank forum for anyone to be heard. It, like the Tea Party when it first started, has no central leadership and therefore no central theme. People in any city can claim the OWS banner and do whatever they want and there is no organization to say "that does not reflect what we are about."

Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 01:36 PM |

Really, that is why they called the cops in the first place.

You truely don't understand the politics behind this situation do you?

Why doesn't that little gutter snipe corky ever whine about Danforth's pettifogging?

Kanrei and Joe must a put a hurtin' on that ass.

Take your meds and then let's see if your posts appear less insane. You may require a more powerful dose.
#92 | Posted by danni at 2011-11-22 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag: FUCK YOU!

Shove your Insurance Mandate up you own ass too. I don't want, don't need and won't take your fucking drugs pushed by the Dr Pusher man that you want to let have even more $. Just because the $ comes from insurance rather than MJ doesn't make it right.

It does actually. You claimed the media NEVER reported this until OWS. 10-15 stories going back to 2004 (pre-OWS) shows this was an issue being debated and discussed prior to OWS and that they are not the reason it is an issue today.

Posted by kanrei

Did Goatman steal Kanrei's account? A whole 10 to 15 stories in 7 years! LOL

I see that Kanrei is using the Certificate of Completion that he received from the Goatman School of Obfuscation, Pointless Semantics and Trolldom to it's fullest extent.

You truely don't understand the politics behind this situation do you?

#110 | Posted by moneywar

So a liberal college's liberal chancellor was playing politics with a liberal protest group by calling rightwing police?

How about this...You shut the fuck up and quit embarrassing yourself and the rest of us can stop shaking our heads at how fucking stupid you are. Deal?

You claimed the media NEVER reported this until OWS. 10-15 stories going back to 2004 (pre-OWS) shows this was an issue being debated and discussed prior to OWS and that they are not the reason it is an issue today.

What I said was that the "mainstream media and the squawking heads on cable news" never cover it -- meaning CNN, MSNBC, Fox News and the evening newscasts primarily. Obviously, there are a few examples where income inequality was covered here and there. But it was not a major issue in the major media until OWS.

Issues are covered all the time in the media without getting much attention. End-of-life issues with the catastrophically ill were covered before the Terri Schiavo case, but that train wreck made it a huge story everyone was talking about.

OWS has made income inequality and corporate influence in government issues everyone is talking about.

I can see "Dogpile on Kanrei" has begun where people will throw out strawmen and obfuscate points made in the name of cheap jokes and "gotcha" foolishness. Let me know when the Orcs take their nap so real discussion can begin again.

Small business owners in NY complained about OWS because they saw a big drop in profits which means a big drop in tax revenue, so the Mayors stepped in.

I'm all for protesting and I have no problem with OWS as long as they don't get in way, and that is not what is happening, and that is why the Mayors have clamped down.

#101 | Posted by 90c2cab at 2011-11-22 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag

So the point of the protest showed the problem, and you are begrudging.

If the protesting allowed for business as usual then the protest would be ignored.

I never understood the childlike mentality of not wanting the opposition to speak? Wouldn't one want the opposition to speak so it could be pointed out where they were wrong?

What I said was that the "mainstream media and the squawking heads on cable news" never cover it

And I showed where they did unless CNN, BCC, MSNBC, NYT, and Washington Post don't count as mainstream media.

As to the 10-15 stories, I did not realize you wanted me to link to 100% of the stories written. I thought one link with numerous mainstream media stories about income inequity would be enough to show it was discussed. Silly me for forgetting the stupidity of the average person here and their desire to distract from honest discussion with stupid orc moves.

I can see "Dogpile on Kanrei" has begun where people will throw out strawmen and obfuscate points made in the name of cheap jokes and "gotcha" foolishness. Let me know when the Orcs take their nap so real discussion can begin again.

#117 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag

No, the dogpile is because you're being obtuse in believing the issue has been in prime time front page for along time when in reality it has been on page 20 every once in a blue moon.

Karei, i just thought it was funny :)

Kanrei even.

Example from my link of the mainstream media reporting this pre-OWS:

"If anything, Ron Paul should be mic checking OWS."

to be fair.. they cheered after Ron Paul answered them.

And I showed where they did unless CNN, BCC, MSNBC, NYT, and Washington Post don't count as mainstream media.

So goatman like, play with the words and move the context of the posting all you like but you know the lead story front and center wasn't until OWS hit the scene.

to be fair.. the same media that badmouthed the OWS also badmouthed Ron Paul to make him appear different then he is..

fact is he's been OWSing it since 1976 :)

believing the issue has been in prime time front page for along time

Never made that claim either. You are way past your nap time. You are just making crap up now and responding to it to feel like someone is having a discussion with you about anything. Must be real lonely.

What I said quite clear to anyone literate was that this story comes up in every election cycle and that OWS did nothing to make this a story and showed clearly through links that this was the case.

zack de la rocha was raging against the machine 2 decades before ows... hahah

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Kenrei, LOL....does this say anything about what you are trying to prove.

"OWS did nothing to make this a story"

no you are right those other stories.. just made OWS happen.. and made it from 20 total articles to 20 a day :)

Kliff

See post 28. Beat you to the RATM punch by 100 posts =P

Never made that claim either.

No you didn't but you are dismissing that is what RCADE is saying, the issue didn't become front page until OWS.

Yeah Money, it tells me the link was wrong.

CEOs at California's largest 100 public companies took home a collective $1.1 billion in 2004, up almost 20% from 2003. That compares with the 2.9% raise that the average California worker saw last year, according to the Economic Policy Institute in Washington.

damnet Kanrei!!! you got a few years on me.. hahah

Kanrei,

Your reaction to a piece of hyperbole is the reason for the "dogpile". Yes, Rogers incorrectly stated that it was "never" spoken of when the truth is that is was reported but not with anything close to the discussions that are occurring now. OWS has brought the topic to the fore and made it such that everyday people are talking about it at the dinner table where previously you primarily only heard of it from policy wonks and blogs like this one. Whether right, left or middle you must admit that a large percentage of people on the DR are vastly more informed politically than the average American.

Reagan,

As I said up thread:

You work with hyperbole and I answer that hyperbole.

#97 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 02:24 PM |

Rcade opened the hyperbolic door when he said "never reported." The moment hyperbole is introduced, it WILL be addressed to return the conversation to reality.

#104 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 02:31 PM |

@Kanrei, I understand exactly what you're saying in re hyperbole. But it's just so Goatmanesque of you.

Get a fucking grip, Kan.

Rcade is mostly right and you are mostly wrong.

Get over it.

But it's just so Goatmanesque of you.

#139 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2011-11-22 03:06 PM

I disagree, but that is what makes this place work.

Look, Angrydad is playing Moneywar and seeking some attention. I maybe a Troll (and am proud to be one), but I can't stand Orcs; they are the mosquitoes of the Online world.

I think this thread and lots of others like it sort of prove the effectiveness of the OWS protests.

I have been looking up song lyrics dating back to the 50's about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Movie plots, novels, poems, news reports, commentaries, Op-eds, political philosophies, political movements, etc all dating back as far back as there has been rich people. Amazing how nobody ever heard of any of this until OWS made it mainstream, huh?

"Look, Angrydad is playing Moneywar and seeking some attention."

Just calling it as I see it.

Normally, you seem fairly level-headed, but you're just acting like goatfart on this one.

To explain my 143, since Hyperbole is going to replace reality, we might as well go fullsteam ahead.

Angrydad is playing Moneywar

#141 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2011-11-22 03:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Not certain why but that struck me as funny. Moneywar! The newest multi-player game for CEOs, Derivatives traders and Republican presidential candidates. Complete with shocking graphics that you'll want to hide from the peons and underlings of your worlds.

And there's an ad for World of Warcraft on the page now. Odd that.

Normally, you seem fairly level-headed, but you're just acting like goatfart on this one.

#144 | Posted by Angrydad at 2011-11-22 03:12 PM

Translated: When I agree with you, you seem pretty level headed, but since I don't agree with you on this I am going to use insults, empty rhetoric, and strawmen instead of actually addressing what you have to say.

"Amazing how nobody ever heard of any of this until OWS made it mainstream, huh?"

actually from what i have found out by talking to people from OWS and going there and stuff.

thats not what its about, sure there are many there with signs of such..

its about the system not the symptoms...

the wealth gap is just a symptom.

I think this thread and lots of others like it sort of prove the effectiveness of the OWS protests.

#142 | Posted by danni at 2011-11-22 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag: Holey Shit!

Danni, is that you? The obamanoid herself? (I forget u r female right? if not tell me IDK.)

Obama is clearly part of what OWS is against similar to the Tea Party (which has cock-money to avoid letting their "members" get counted again by OWS).

IMHO both the TP and OWS were mostly about the same thing - and like the TP, OWS is still quite vulnerable to being bought and swooned by a few beautiful cunts or cocks like the TP was.

"I am going to use insults, empty rhetoric, and strawmen..."

I used none of those. Show me where I did.

Now you're really starting to sound like goatfart.

Let's talk about focus for a moment from OWS. Did anyone read this article past the headline?

Notice what OWS is protesting? Occupy Iraq? Calling Rove a murderer? This sounds more like an anti-War group than OWS, but that can't be, right? They have a clear purpose and it is income inequality and not war.

"I have been looking up song lyrics dating back to the 50's about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Movie plots, novels, poems, news reports, commentaries, Op-eds, political philosophies, political movements, etc all dating back as far back as there has been rich people. Amazing how nobody ever heard of any of this until OWS made it mainstream, huh?"

In other words pre liberal, and pre "woe is me I am special dammit" generation. Hell just look at some recent examples of those who grew up in those houses, and of course some of their offspring right here. You have Reagan 58, Corky, Angry Dad, danni...

Pretty hilarious that the OWS retards would target Ron Paul. How braindead are they exactly?

#5 | Posted by JOE at 2011-11-22 01:06 PM

The ONLY reason people are talking about the OWS freaks is because of their filthy appearance, lack of work ethic, entitlement mindset, the rapes, the lice, the deaths, the trashing of public lands, and the childish tactic of shouting down the opposition and chanting.
They are a national joke.

Notice what OWS is protesting? Occupy Iraq? Calling Rove a murderer? This sounds more like an anti-War group than OWS, but that can't be, right? They have a clear purpose and it is income inequality and not war.

#152 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2011-11-22 03:17 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

That's pretty broad brushed hyperbolic statement you make there. Many in the OWS movement have stated that they have a number of varied agenda points. Some are there due to the wasteful wars of choice, some over income equality, some over the apparent lack of corporate citizenship and the list goes on.

But you knew that, smart feller that you are.

Translated: When I agree with you, you seem pretty level headed, but since I don't agree with you on this I am going to use insults, empty rhetoric, and strawmen instead of actually addressing what you have to say.

#148 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 03:14 PM

I did notice what OWS was protesting, it wasn't anti-war it was anti-rove.

Notice what OWS is protesting? Occupy Iraq? Calling Rove a murderer? This sounds more like an anti-War group than OWS, but that can't be, right? They have a clear purpose and it is income inequality and not war.

#152 | Posted by kanrei

Kan,
Those kooks that pretend OWS is driving dialogue and has a coherant message know what they're saying is fucked up, but they have some strange obsession with pretending that these clowns matter.
Granted, there are some real dummies (danni, moneywar, axe, etc) that probably are stupid enough to think people pay attention to OWS because of their message and not because they're a trainwreck and a punchline, literally.

#10
Mob: a large or disorderly crowd; especially: one bent on riotous or destructive action

In other words pre liberal, and pre "woe is me I am special dammit" generation. Hell just look at some recent examples of those who grew up in those houses, and of course some of their offspring right here. You have Reagan 58, Corky, Angry Dad, danni...

#153 | POSTED BY SANDUSKEE_OC AT 2011-11-22 03:20 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

When do you plan to grow up? Clearly you're still a petulant child.

"They are a national joke."

That is discussed by you and most everyone else in the country because the issues they are talking about have been largely ignored by MSM and most politicians.

"Nevermind him."

LOL!

I think this thread and lots of others like it sort of prove the effectiveness of the OWS protests.

#142 | Posted by danni at 2011-11-22 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

So wait... their effectiveness is that they can get a bunch of people to waste time during work and become less efficient and effective?

Wow... what a noble movement. I can think of one movement that has a better effect... in fact... I'll be right back... have to use the bathroom.

That's pretty broad brushed hyperbolic statement you make there.

Yes it was. As I said:

since Hyperbole is going to replace reality, we might as well go fullsteam ahead.

#145 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 03:12 PM |

Some are there due to the wasteful wars of choice, some over income equality, some over the apparent lack of corporate citizenship and the list goes on.

But you knew that, smart feller that you are.

#156 | Posted by Reagan58

In other words, they don't have any organization and they're all over the place as to what their message is. Just like kanrei explained numerous times upthread.

Some are there due to the wasteful wars of choice, some over income equality, some over the apparent lack of corporate citizenship and the list goes on.

So like I said that started this whole nonsense: they are unfocused.

My G-d! Was that ever a LONG ASS CIRCLE to get right back where we started.

In other words, they don't have any organization and they're all over the place as to what their message is. Just like kanrei explained numerous times upthread.

#166 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2011-11-22 03:24 PM

LOL!

My G-d! Was that ever a LONG ASS CIRCLE to get right back where we started.

#167 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyway... I'm back from the bathroom. I would say more of an a-perfect circle... oh... you are talking about OWS. I was talking about something more efficient and effective.

My bad.

Here is what began this entire ordeal:

Unfocused anger is a what separates a mob from a group of protesters. OWS is a mob.

#6 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 01:07 PM |

Now they are agreeing with me to prove me wrong because they had no clue what was said by whom to begin with and just decided to randomly assign positions.

That is discussed by you and most everyone else in the country because the issues they are talking about have been largely ignored by MSM and most politicians.

#162 | Posted by danni

Are people talking about the 459 causes the OWS movement pretends it stands for, or are they talking about the rapes, OD's, shits, messes, tat's, piercings, and stench of those fleabaggers?
That's what I thought, dummi.

@101, yep, just like that. They have very little in the way of organization but they are changing and expanding the conversations in this country. It's hard for me to see how that's a bad thing. Of course there are hiccups, follies and foibles surrounding their movement. But I seem to recall something similar 40+ years ago that brought about some positive changes.

My God, you people spend more time arguing about arguing than you do about the actual topic.

Now they are agreeing with me to prove me wrong because they had no clue what was said by whom to begin with and just decided to randomly assign positions.

#170 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Next they are going to say that they are rebels... like in Libya... but non violent... except when they become violent... and if you think they are rebels... they aren't... they are just people... fighting against the current rules...

#172 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2011-11-22 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only way they expand the conversation is to render the fact that we realize they are potentially dangerous to themselves and others (in a clinical sense).

"Mob: a large or disorderly crowd; especially: one bent on riotous or destructive action"

lol... Like I said, woe is me I am powerless to prevent or avoid generation of libs.

Protest:
an expression or declaration of objection, disapproval, or dissent, often in opposition to something a person is powerless to prevent or avoid: a protest against increased taxation.

Now they are agreeing with me to prove me wrong because they had no clue what was said by whom to begin with and just decided to randomly assign positions.

#170 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 03:27 PM

"My God, you people spend more time arguing about arguing than you do about the actual topic."

What, are you new here?

Moneywar, Nulli, and Angrydad vs me. Is there any clearer sign I am right?

DAVIS, Calif.â€"University of California officials here put the campus police chief on administrative leave, the latest fallout after officers were captured on video Friday pepper-spraying nonviolent protesters.

Yep, wonder who is really the mob.

"My God, you people spend more time arguing about arguing than you do about the actual topic."
What, are you new here?

#178 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2011-11-22 03:33 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

ff

Yep, wonder who is really the mob.

Posted by moneywar at 2011-11-22 03:34 PM |

The police in that story were a gang of thugs, not a mob. Words have meaning. Learn them. Mobs are unruly. The cops had a clear agenda- oppression.

OWS: What Do We Want?
Crowd: We Don't Know!
OWS: When Do We Want It?
Crowd: Soon After We Decide What We Want!

We have a system stacked in the favor of big corporations and the wealthy, OWS is one way of protesting that. Of course the same old defenders of the status quo are here calling them silly names and accusing them of all sorts of things, that's what these people do instead of engaging in real discussion about issues.

"They have a clear purpose and it is income inequality and not war."

again. Kanrei.. the point is the system.. thats why they heckle both rove and obama... and wall street... its not the income inequality, that is just a symptom of the system gone corrupt.

"My God, you people spend more time arguing about arguing than you do about the actual topic."
What, are you new here?
#178 | Posted by salamandagator at 2011-11-22 03:33 PM | Reply | Flag: LMFAO!

hahah.. we are the armchair %

Moneywar, Nulli, and Angrydad vs me. Is there any clearer sign I am right?

#179 | Posted by kanrei

Yeah, you're right, Goatman.

What, are you new here?

#178 | Posted by salamandagator at 2011-11-22 03:33 PM | Reply | Flag:
LOL

Actually, no... but a reasonable question...

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Yeah, you're right, Goatman.

Posted by nullifidian at 2011-11-22 03:38 PM

"Moneywar, Nulli, and Angrydad vs me. Is there any clearer sign I am right?"

101, Expstupidity, and Live or Douche all agree with you. Could there be any clearer sign that you are wrong?

#183 | Posted by danni

Yes, I recall how you and your lemminglike ilk were so excited and respectful of the tea party...

Seriously dummy, you have to understand by now that everyone knows you're a hyper-partisan piece of shit that contradicts herself on an hourly basis, right?
The best thing you can do for any cause you believe in is to stfu about it.

Kanrei.. the point is the system.. thats why they heckle both rove and obama... and wall street... its not the income inequality, that is just a symptom of the system gone corrupt.
#184 | Posted by klifferd at 2011-11-22 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag: Right!

Not only is the point THE SYSTEM. It's been that way since man gave fire to the earth and was prolly burned at the stake by his brothers for it. That's not why he gave them fire. He did it because he was a creator - as I am a creator.

Could there be any clearer sign that you are wrong?

Posted by Angrydad at 2011-11-22 03:40 PM

Yes, that you, Moneywar, and Nulli don't.

People who are sometimes right on my side vs people never right against me means odds are in my favor. Nice try at thinking though. YOu may even fake a thought one day if you keep practicing.

#192 Howard Roark is in my heart like Jesus is in my heart. So is Johnathan (Rollarball).

#188

Well good then you should know better then to think that actual political discourse happens here.

"YOu may even fake a thought one day if you keep practicing"

He thought he had one once but it tuned out to be just gas.

The OWS is focused on what they want to accomplish, and they are accomplishing it. And, by keeping their definition vague, they attract the largest group of frustrated Americans; tapping into their shared anger toward the system that has ignored them for decades. The camps, the disruptions and the marches have got more media coverage than just about any other political movement in recent memory. They have completely redirected the political dialog of this country in the short span of two months. And, the OWS movement is still evolving...

The OWS approach to the media has been highly effective in gaining the national spotlight. Their goals, while seemingly vague, are, at the core, well defined and accurate as solutions to the main challenges Americans face regarding their government. And, as the GOTP has repeatedly schreeched regarding their own politicians and political movements: "the fact that the media is demonizing them is enough reason for me to support them"...

This angrydad character has been begging for my attention for at least 2 days now. Poor thing.

"Seriously dummy, you have to understand by now that everyone knows you're a hyper-partisan piece of shit"

As I said, some discuss issues while others just call people nasty names. Sticks and stones and all that crap.

"And, the OWS movement is still evolving..."

They've only been around a few months and they are the biggest story going most days.

"just about any other political movement"

Well there is your problem, this is not a political movement, it is a social gathering for the burnouts. Just a place for losers to get together and whine about the "man" keeping them down.

"The OWS approach to the media has been highly effective in gaining the national spotlight."

Yup, rape, assault, and suicide do tend to get the medias attention.

"the fact that the media is demonizing them"
The media is not demonizing them, they are stepping in to tell us how they are mistreated by the police and how they just have a terrible lot. It is the intelligent people who are calling them what they are.

"YOu may even fake a thought one day if you keep practicing."

Not likely.

But Rcade's still right; OWS has gotten the income inequality discussion to a level never even approached by the MSM previously.

And that's pretty much the whole point of his argument.

Moneywar, Nulli, and Angrydad vs me. Is there any clearer sign I am right?

#179 | Posted by kanrei

Kinda funny that you left out Rogers, Goatman.

Didn't Seinfeld live near the freaks hanging out? The protest about nothing?

"Sticks and stones and all that crap."

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will get a lawsuit on your ass.

,Kinda funny that you left out Rogers, Goatman.

#203 | Posted by nullifidian at 2011-11-22 03:52 PM

Not at all. Rcade addresses what I said rather than attacking the person saying it. I left nobody out of my list of nobodies. Nice try though.

Kanrei: The moment you chose to take as a literal statement of fact by Rcade that income disparity was "never" reported on before OWS, you entered the troll zone, and then became annoyed when people pointed it out. Bottom line is, Rcade is almost wholly correct in his observation, and you are almost wholly trolling.

You poor simpletons think OWS is newsworthy because of their message? For fuck's sake, the Daily Show knows those freaks are a punchline, and that's their audience...

Rapes, over-doses, pedos, theives, murders, stabbings, fleas, lice, disease, etc are what drive the OWS coverage.

"They've only been around a few months and they are the biggest story going most days."

Like watching every fucking reality series combined showing the best america has to offer from Cops, Springer, Maury, Judge Judy, MSNBC, Drudge libs...

The moment you chose to take as a literal statement of fact by Rcade that income disparity was "never" reported on before OWS, you entered the troll zone,

Untrue and addressed over an hour ago:

Don't care about their point of view, but that they link to numerous news reports from mainstrem sources like MSNBC, CNN, BCC, NYT, Washington Post, etc all discussing a subject you said was not talked about in the mainstream media.

You work with hyperbole and I answer that hyperbole.

#97 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-22 02:24 PM |

"Rcade is almost wholly correct in his observation"

That signpost up ahead? Yeah, that would be the twilight zone.

"Rapes, over-doses, pedos, theives, murders, stabbings, fleas, lice, disease, etc..."

Typical day in your trailer park, no?

Moneywar, Nulli, and Angrydad vs me. Is there any clearer sign I am right?

#179 | Posted by kanrei

LOL...against you .... not so, we just don't agree with you.

Unorganized....well, at Rove's speech is unorganized.

At any political venue with big money speeches is unorganized.

You may not like the way they are running the agenda but it is getting top billing across the country, unlike you so called articles in the 20th back page.

"Kanrei: The moment you chose to take as a literal statement of fact by Rcade that income disparity was "never" reported on before OWS, you entered the troll zone, and then became annoyed when people pointed it out."

Literal-Minded Goatman always does this. What would the Retort be without mindless hair-splitting by annoying prissies?

"Typical day in your trailer park, no?"

Well at least you admit that the garbage that is OWS is no better then the worst of the trailer trash.

--Rapes, over-doses, pedos, theives, murders, stabbings, fleas, lice, disease, etc...--

Typical day in your trailer park, no?
#212 | Posted by Angrydad at 2011-11-22 03:58 PM

Typical friends of your kid at OWS? You must be reaaaalllll proud...

I am guessing you are one of the brilliant parents who would rather see their kid be a filthy protestor instead of being the CEO the ignorant freak thinks he is protesting...

By Gary Wolfram

Whenever I watch media coverage of another Occupy Wall Street event I am reminded of an exchange between Jewish protesters in the 1979 Monte Python movie Life of Brian. One of the protesters asks another what the Romans have brought to the area and the conversation goes like this:

Question: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Answer: Brought peace?
Response: Oh, peace â€" shut up

The point is that the Roman institutions brought a good deal to the area that was being overlooked by the protesters. The Wall Street protesters, in their hatred of capitalism, overlook things including the fact that over the last 100 years capitalism has reduced poverty more and increased life expectancy more than in the 100,000 years prior.

Bottom line is, Rcade is almost wholly correct in his observation, and you are almost wholly trolling.

#207 | Posted by moder8

You said a mouthfull.

They've only been around a few months and they are the biggest story going most days.

#200 | Posted by danni at 2011-11-22 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

What are the competing with? Obama? Well... it should be no surprise then. They are doing more to change Washington than Obama is, which is less than nothing.

#43 | Posted by rcade

What people were the UC-Davis cops protecting when they pepper sprayed college kids who were sitting on the ground?
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They defied, rather than complied with, the order to disperse. The interlocking of arms so as to obstruct the cops from doing their job may be termed defensive rather than aggressive, but it was far from passive. So they got pepper sprayed.

Also the protestors through stuff at the horses.

Where was PETA when this happened?

"They are doing more to change Washington than Obama is, which is less than nothing." While you sit and support those who like Washington just as it is, corrupt, boght and paid for and undemocratic.We can debate the effectiveness of both Obama or the OWS protesters but at least both of those are willing to openly admit how corrupt the present pay-to-play government is. You and other conservatives actually defend that system. That's really a bit deranged.

"Question: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?" In actuality the Romans invented none of those things.

"The Wall Street protesters, in their hatred of capitalism, overlook things including the fact that over the last 100 years capitalism has reduced poverty more and increased life expectancy more than in the 100,000 years prior."

Not Laissez FAire capitalsim though, regulated capitalism which is what most protesters want us to return to, most Americans too.

Why do I get the distinct impression that the OWS cheerleaders are completely avoiding the topic of how the coverage of the OWS protests center around the debauchery, filth, crime, and lack of message?

It's as if they think people actually pay attention to whatever those whiney fleabggers are saying, as opposed to their antics.

Here's a clue...If you're not a true college freshman, and you're holding a sign, chanting a slogan, and doing something stupid, you're in the wrong. Grow the fuck up, get jobs, and contribute to society, you filth.

101Ch: All bullshit aside, part of what they are protesting is the fact that there are no jobs for them to get, and no money making way for most of them to "contribute to society". If there were, they wouldn't be there.

"Grow the fuck up, get jobs, and contribute to society, you filth."

Practice what you preach, assface.

All bullshit aside, part of what they are protesting is the fact that there are no jobs for them to get, and no money making way for most of them to "contribute to society". If there were, they wouldn't be there.
#225 | Posted by moder8 at 2011-11-22 04:36 PM

All bullshit aside, you couldn't be a mailroom clerk in a law firm much less a PD paid by the State...

You and other conservatives actually defend that system. That's really a bit deranged.

#221 | Posted by danni at 2011-11-22 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wrong again Danni. I didn't vote for Bush or Obama (which basically just means I didn't vote for Bush). I voted third party. Someone who is really different and disconnected from the system.

Let's see if OWS or you can do the same this time around, or if you just vote for more of the same in Obama.

That gnat really wants my attention...(pats head)...run along.

101Ch: All bullshit aside, part of what they are protesting is the fact that there are no jobs for them to get, and no money making way for most of them to "contribute to society". If there were, they wouldn't be there.

#225 | Posted by moder8

If we're putting all bullshit aside, perhaps you could tell me who would hire those long haired pierced and tattoo'd brats that would rather squat in a park than fill out a resume?

You can't tell me those clowns are actively seeking employment. This is a party to those fools.

Let's see a show of hands as to who has actually gone down to an Occupy campsite and spoken with the protesters???

*raises hand*

The Occupy LA campsite is about block from the LA Superior Court and I have spent a few hours on different days, in a suit, walking around and talking to people during breaks.

It would be interesting to hear if anyone else has done that (and I am not talking about emailing the friends of a friend of a protester) and what their impressions were.

who would hire those long haired pierced and tattoo'd brats that would rather squat in a park than fill out a resume?

#230 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2011-11-22 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag

The same people who hired them before Bush sent their jobs to India, and sold the country to China.

who would hire those long haired pierced and tattoo'd brats that would rather squat in a park than fill out a resume?

#230 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2011-11-22 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag

The same people who hired them before Bush sent their jobs to India, and sold the country to China.

#233

Ah good, the comic relif has arrived.

"The Wall Street protesters, in their hatred of capitalism, overlook things including the fact that over the last 100 years capitalism has reduced poverty more and increased life expectancy more than in the 100,000 years prior."

Not Laissez FAire capitalsim though, regulated capitalism which is what most protesters want us to return to, most Americans too.

#223 | Posted by danni at 2011-11-22 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Actually, us "returning" to bygone time would involve less regualtion. Remember the phrase "the wild west".

Danni, republicans want less government. This means less CORRUPT, which a great deal is, government and "good" government alike.

Dems want more government. Which kind of government do you think that will be? The new, never seen before in hunman history, uncorruptable, transparent and whole heartidly benevolent government, which doesn't exist?

Danni: "Yea, that's the one."

So dense...

RoC,
I've stopped by Occupy Buffalo 3 times. Basically to go there and confirm my suspicions, which is that these guys are aimless, and basically looking for a purpose.
They literally don't have anything else better to do, the see other like-minded losers, and they have a need to feel like they aren't all alone out there.

It's basically e-harmony for unemployed loafs with no motivation.

In Buffalo, they set up empty tents to make it look like there are more than 16 people there.

I'm crystal clear in that I think their time would be better spent applying for jobs or going to school. The answer is always the same "There are no jobs and I can't afford school"...To which I remind themn that I did the reserves and delivered pizzas while working my way through school, and that you take a job you feel is beneath you and you work your way up.

But they're too good to take a job and work their way up. Their mommies and daddies told them if they went to college they'd make 100,000k to start...

They're fucking scum, with literally nothing else to do but hang out with other scum. Seeing as though they're too broke to afford to hang at the local coffee house, the public square is the closest thing they can find to such a collection of drifters, deadbeats, and aimless fucks.

#236

As of tomorrow, from what i hear, the total days of time off taken by entirety of the OWS losers will hit double digits.

Our local OWS (jugglers, dancers, sword eaters and a dude in a gorilla suit have been gone for a week..non dedicated tards..

"Danni, republicans want less government."

That's this year's talking point, when they held bothhouses of Congress and the Presidency they greatly expanded government. So much for your talking point nonsense.

Wow.

Haven't seen ol' 101harebrain get his panties twisted in this tight of a knot since that Sheehan lady crawled in his skull and took a dump a couple of years ago.

What's the problem, dude...lose your job?....wife foolin' around with an OWSer?...

.

Not Laissez FAire capitalsim though, regulated capitalism which is what most protesters want us to return to, most Americans too. #223 | Posted by danni

What MORE regulations do you think we need?

As for the OWS losers, they are a disorganized mob of misfits. They don't want your "regulated capitalism". They want socialism so they won't have to work, feed themselves or repay their student loans for that liberal arts degree in Pop Culture.

Someone tried to compare the OWS mob with the Tea Party which is an insult to the Tea Party. Tea Party rallies NEVER involved, drug use, rape, defecating, pissing, tear gas, pepper spray, etc. Turn on FOX News if you have missed the crap these mutants are spewing.

101-

Interesting that they were trying to make it look like more people were there. However, it must be starting to get really cold in Buffalo, so I understand why the numbers are low.

Here in LA, there were too many people, and while many had started the "income inequality" line (posters had been put up by someone "reminding" OLA protesters what to say to the press), other comments ranged from "dunno" to "can't find a job" to my favorite "I like to get high and go camping!"

The most germaine comment I got was from a young, heavyset Latina who pointed at me and said "you, we are protesting you!" When I asked what she meant by that she said "you are obviously successful and we feel that we deserve the chance to be!" That's a fair point, and I told her that.

Who knows, with a little focus (and less weed) they may come up with a cogent message.

"They want socialism so they won't have to work, feed themselves or repay their student loans for that liberal arts degree in Pop Culture."

Just make shit up and pretend you know what you're talking about some folks will believe you do. Not me though.

What MORE regulations do you think we need?

The fact you can't see any shows you're either clueless and uneducated or being sincerely insincere.

Someone tried to compare the OWS mob with the Tea Party which is an insult to the Tea Party. Tea Party rallies NEVER involved, drug use, rape, defecating, pissing, tear gas, pepper spray, etc. Turn on FOX News if you have missed the crap these mutants are spewing.

#241 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2011-11-22 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag

The TEA party had a movement?

The only tea party individual I know is in JAIL for shooting a representative.

"This is a list of new articles about income disparity dating back to 2004. OWS was not happening in 2004, so I have just shown you were wrong when you said "mainstream media and the squawking heads on cable news were never talking about income inequality before OWS."
#56 | Posted by kanrei"

Kanrei's right, sort of. RCade was wrong when he said "never."

However, Kanrei's overall point is wrong (that the OWS protests are not anything new, and that similar attention has been paid to income disparity and corporate power and greed every two years). His own link shows that there has been more attention paid to these issues and more articles written on them in the past two weeks then there were in the previous 7 years.

I've stopped by Occupy Buffalo 3 times.
#236 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2011-11-22 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag: OWSer

3 Times = OWSer. Here's a tarp and your patchouli.

#248
You had better take away his shower privileges as well, we want him to blend in.

3 Times = OWSer. Here's a tarp and your patchouli.

#248 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2011-11-22 07:59 PM

FF for you sir.

...link shows that there has been more attention paid to these issues and more articles written on them in the past two weeks then there were in the previous 7 years.
#246 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2011-11-22 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag: good!

Love that Human Mic!

Best activist tool since the Peace Sign.

Real classy behavior. Did any of the Tea Party do anything like that? No manners. Mob behavior. Do mobs have a brain or a soul? It is likely that some of the members of the mob do, but they check them in when they join the mob. Emotion rules and law does not. And authorities who should put a stop to it are too cowardly and too cowed by the MSM to do it. It will escalate and more people will be injured and killed and nothing will be done to the perps.

Rcade opened the hyperbolic door when he said "never reported." The moment hyperbole is introduced, it WILL be addressed to return the conversation to reality.

If you recognized it as hyperbole, then why are you getting your undies in a bunch over it? Of course I did not mean income inequality is never reported. You're just distracting from the point of contention, which is whether income inequality was on the major news media's radar before OWS or not.

As to the 10-15 stories, I did not realize you wanted me to link to 100% of the stories written. I thought one link with numerous mainstream media stories about income inequity would be enough to show it was discussed. Silly me for forgetting the stupidity of the average person here and their desire to distract from honest discussion with stupid orc moves.

Now who's engaging in hyperbole?

Unfocused anger is a what separates a mob from a group of protesters. OWS is a mob.
#6 | Posted by kanrei
That is so absolutely right!

There are responsibilites that come with freedom of speech. Some of which include the time, date, and place and length of protesting. Protesting does not include camping.

The message gets lost when laws are broken, people are violent, people defacate on public and private property--basically disrespect.

Respect is earned and the OWS gang is lacking.

Now who's engaging in hyperbole?

#254 | Posted by rcade at 2011-11-22 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where were you? He already addressed this. He is being hyperbolic because you decided to open the door to it. He is doing it to show you your foolishness in the discussion.

If I was an certain about anything as ExP-whatever is about everything, I'd really begin to wonder.

"Real classy behavior. Did any of the Tea Party do anything like that?" Groups that defend the status quo and who are sponsored by organizations like Freedomworks which is a lobbying arm of the insurance industry are usually quite well behaved, why shouldn't they be? They are only advocating for everyone else to take a hit on SS and Medicare but never themselves. I'll take the wild behavior of those who actually protest the unfairness of our system over those who defend that unfairness any day.

#257 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2011-11-23 07:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not stalking, moron: I'm ridiculing the blimp-sized target of hot air you've transformed yourself into on the DR.

For a hide-bound ass, you've got very thin skin indeed.

"Protesters in the Occupy movement have begun staging "mic check" disruptions at public events, interrupting speakers such as President Barack Obama"

Maddow got a lot of mileage out of it last night. Oddly:

#259 | Posted by ExpsRedemption

Here's an idea for you: Why not repeat your childish practice of labeling your stigmata -- the barbs that really hurt you -- "Abusive" and let Rogers delete not those posts but your infantile reactions and hang them up in the "Recently Deleted" junkyard so people can laugh at you some more?

#262 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2011-11-23 08:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sure thing. So, who are you planning on voting for in order to help make the changes that OWS is hoping to make in the business/congressional world?

Just make shit up and pretend you know what you're talking about some folks will believe you do. Not me though.

Yea, I see you are too smart for the facts. Your think skull must be hell to ignore out in public.

The fact you can't see any shows you're either clueless and uneducated or being sincerely insincere.

Here is how this works honeywhore: I ask the questions and you or Dippy answer them, then we discuss. So what master plan of regulations do you and your OWS minions suggest to FIX the capitalist system you say is broke?

"So, who are you planning on voting for in order to help make the changes that OWS is hoping to make in the business/congressional world?"

Show me the candidate who can raise the $'s necessary to successfully seek major political office in this country whose actually talking about fundamental change in that area.

#265 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2011-11-23 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Clarify. Does this mean you are not voting?

"Real classy behavior. Did any of the Tea Party do anything like that?" Groups that defend the status quo and who are sponsored by organizations like Freedomworks which is a lobbying arm of the insurance industry are usually quite well behaved, why shouldn't they be? They are only advocating for everyone else to take a hit on SS and Medicare but never themselves. I'll take the wild behavior of those who actually protest the unfairness of our system over those who defend that unfairness any day.

#258 | Posted by danni at 2011-11-23 07:49 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Now who's making shit up. I don't recall the teparty saying take away medicare and SS on anyone who isn't a teaparty "member". They want it reduced for everyone because they know it has to be done.

Also, republicans want smaller government and advocate for it all of the time. I agree Bush fucked up and expanded if far more than he should have and I guarantee the majority of republicans feel the same way. The fact that you're saying that this isn't the case is ridiculous. Not to mention you didn't even address the fact that dems really do want more governemnt.

Again, Danni neglects to answer questions that oppose her view. Which kind of larger government is going to come in Danni, if you have you liberal ways? A uncorruptable, honest, transparent etc. etc.? No, but you're too stupid to see that.

Of course you'll take their wild behaviour, it's your side. Once again, this leads everyone on here to see you as the political hack that you are.

On that note, can anyone on this site honestly say that Danni isn't a partisan political hack? Anyone at all? I'll bet that even those who share some of your views can even see it. It's kind of sad.

He is being hyperbolic because you decided to open the door to it. He is doing it to show you your foolishness in the discussion.

I knew I wasn't using the word "never" literally and he knew I wasn't using the word "never" literally. There was no point in him showing me something we both already knew.

The major media wasn't covering income inequality with any prominence or regularity before OWS. For as long as the OWS movement lasts, it seems we'll be seeing substantive coverage of it. That's a victory for the movement. Whether there are other victories to come remains to be seen.

The major media wasn't covering income inequality with any prominence or regularity before OWS.

#268 | Posted by rcade at 2011-11-23 10:02 AM

#268 | Posted by rcade at 2011-11-23 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Creating health and safety hazards for the people you are supposedly fighting for is a victory?

That is bunk propaganda. Protesters are not a threat or hazard to anyone.

#246 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2011-11-22 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag: good!

#251 | Posted by reitze at 2011-11-22 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag: AGREED, WHOLEHEARTEDLY

That is bunk propaganda. Protesters are not a threat or hazard to anyone.

#271 | Posted by Monstman at 2011-11-23 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Spaced occupied by many people without proper facilities and sanitation is. Amassing large groups in already difficult situations (rush hour traffic, bridges, Black Friday events, is a safety risk for sure.

Danni,

Not one person has come to your defense. Not one. Fairly telling and refeshing. At least they're not willing to lie and say you're even keeled.

You're off of the reserve to say the least.

"Danni,
Not one person has come to your defense. Not one. Fairly telling and refeshing. At least they're not willing to lie and say you're even keeled.
You're off of the reserve to say the least.
#274 | Posted by curisemssl"

That's because Danni is not a sniveling little pussboy like you. She doesn't need a bunch fingersniffing sycophants to come to her defense, you fucking moron.

It's kind of sad.

#267 | Posted by curisemssl

Yes, you are.

Pity-ful, more like.

That's because Danni is not a sniveling little pussboy like you. She doesn't need a bunch fingersniffing sycophants to come to her defense, you fucking moron.

#275 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2011-11-23 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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No one came to her defense because she's not a...

Yea, that makes sense...

I never said she needed anyone to, just that no one did. Thanks for playing though.

#267 | Posted by curisemssl

Yes, you are.

Pity-ful, more like.

#276 | Posted by Corky at 2011-11-23 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Very clever the way you turned that one around, good for you.

Actually come to think of it, neither one of you even bothered to refute my statement. That's because she's a hack.

While I know both of you share most of her stances, I'm guessing that even you can see how blind her partisanship is. Then again, maybe not.

Either way, I was just making an observation. And you guys have to try making it personal. Luckily, I could give a shit less.

OWS protesting Karl Rove is not news.

OWS protesting a University and then getting pepper-sprayed... now that's news!

She (Danni) doesn't need a bunch fingersniffing sycophants to come to her defense

That's as good as what I would call her ilk. So are you defending her sycophant?

That is bunk propaganda. Protesters are not a threat or hazard to anyone.

#235 | Posted by curisemssl at 2011-11-22 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag

The reason we have regulations is that corrupt businessmen in the past took advantage of the free market----like giving each other inside information on stocks---so--we need a regulation to stop that---same with ALL regulations---they are there for the protection of the public. When we reduced and rolled back regulations we got our current economy. You aren't real smart are you---that's why you voted for BUSH---TWICE. You should never speak..

Sure. Left wing protests are so very non-violent and not a threat at all.

#282 | Posted by dr_dude2 at 2011-11-24 07:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

The left is very capable of violence. The right seems to forget that simple fact from time to time after calling the left pussies for years for not enjoying killing people for nothing in wars for nothing.

The left grows from hunger. The more the rich get rich, the more the poor get poorer. When a rich person gets hungry, he joins the left. Eventually, the rich are very few, and the left is very large. Then the rich get dead, and the poor eat.

Ask the French. Ask the Russians. They didn't believe it either.