This is pathetic.
But there is a simple solution.
Don't go fucking Christmas shopping the week of Thanksgiving.

If you don't like it, stay home. And don't let your grandma go either because I won't be held responsible if her dumb ass gets trampled when I'm sprinting to get one of the two 3D TVs that Wal-Mart has for $300. Old people and their Hoverrounds don't have any place in a riot. Take your walker and go home, grandpa.... there's bargains to be had.

The market has decided that insanity's not so bad.

"there is a simple solution.
Don't go fucking Christmas shopping the week of Thanksgiving."

"If you don't like it, stay home."

Did either of you morons read the article? The complaint is that Target employees have to show up to work Thanksgiving night, not that people are generally upset that Target is selling merchandise that early.

Target has claimed this is in response to consumer demand, so they're putting pressure on employees to work Thanksgiving, according to someone I know who works for the chain.

To which I would say: If there is that Goddamn much demand, Target's top brass should be in the stores and offices slogging away, in addition to rank-and-file people.

Of course, we know that's not going to happen.

If people who work there don't like it, find a new job. Sunday was once a "holy day" and malls across America were closed; people finally woke up and realized what a load of crap that was. If you're Amish and don't want to work on Sunday, quit your job and return to your backwards lifestyle. The rest of us have electronics to buy.

I have to agree. Employees who choose to work at midnight should get time and a half for giving up a holiday. Opening at 5am is early enough IMHO.

The thought of shopping on Black Friday is a nightmare to me, but if other people like it that is their business....

I don't buy the "I'll have to sleep all day on Thanksgiving" nonsense this Hardwick guy is spewing. He's 29, not 79.

Enjoy Thanksgiving with your family then go to work and if you're dragging ass towards the end so be it. Target as an employer obviously has no boundaries or respect for you as a human being so why worry about being fresh that night?

Target as an employer obviously has no boundaries or respect for you as a human being so why worry about being fresh that night?

=D

"If people who work there don't like it, find a new job."

For many people, there are no new jobs, and quite a few employers are taking shameless advantage of the fact.

Whatever happened to the idea of American holidays that were so broadly supported that there was very little question of people being required to work? I personally think that any overprivileged asshole who thinks it's cool to dick around with other people's family life at the holidays is less of an American than they should be.

Not to justify it, because I think it's all pretty silly, they can do thanksgiving in the morning and sleep in the afternoon, which is what most people usually do after eating turkey :-P.

I actually avoid going out at all during thanksgiving weekend.

However, I have a conference for work I have to go to the week after thanksgiving and I generally end up working like crazy this week getting ready. I do avoid working thanksgiving day, but if it was bad enough, I would have to.

Gregius:

If there is an actual need - such as E.R. personnel - that's one thing. But what Target is doing is to encourage trashing of holidays to add a few shekels to its bottom line. There is no real reason to do this - people can shop just as well on Black Friday as they can on Thanksgiving Day. It's greed, pure if not exactly simple.

The only way I would have any respect whatsoever for Target's position on this is if Target's CEO, Gregg Steinhafel, was observed personally running a register or stacking shelves for a full eight-hour shift on Thanksgiving Day.

They wouldn't add the shifts if there wasn't a demand, Whore.
Stick to things you know, you stupid shit. In other words, get back out on the street, heshe.

They wouldn't add the shifts if there wasn't a demand

If this is the first year they are doing this, then they would. It is a trial run to see if there is demand for midnight shopping.

If this is the first year they are doing this, then they would. It is a trial run to see if there is demand for midnight shopping.

#14 | Posted by kanrei

They aren't just adding them in hopes it happens. they'd add them because they know it would be profitable.
All indications (such as people already lining up outside Best Buy for Black Friday) and trends show there's a demand. So do the trampling deaths at 6am on Friday...

I don't buy the "I'll have to sleep all day on Thanksgiving" nonsense this Hardwick guy is spewing. He's 29, not 79.

He'd have to go to bed by 4 or 5 on Thanksgiving, which seriously cuts into family time.

I worked a couple Christmases at Toys 'R Us as a teen. Those 12-hour shifts were completely nuts. You had to rest beforehand.

... what Target is doing is to encourage trashing of holidays to add a few shekels to its bottom line.

Exactly. And it's a sorry-ass thing to do to your employees and to the country. Having everyone off on some holidays is a great thing.

Having everyone off on some holidays is a great thing.

#17 | Posted by rcade at 2011-11-22 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag: Marxist collectivist.

Having everyone off on some holidays is a great thing.

Yea, but it costs to do that. What you liberals want is for someone to take the loss and be nice to workers at the same time. You want someone to take a hit for the team except YOU want to be on the receiving end of all the goodies and time off. It doesnt work that way.

I have a second job at a grocery store chain. I will be working all night tonight and all night on Wed. If I dont like it, I dont have to go to work. I could find another job or not work at all. I understand this is one of the times when dumbasses will be out spending money they dont have and my employerer wants to partake in that. I would too. I dont hate them for it. The name of the game is MONEY. It doesnt grow on trees and it doesnt come out of the woodwork like liberals would like for it to. It has to be earned...

-I have a second job at a grocery store chain

Perhaps if you voted for fiscal policies that were good for the middle-class and poor instead of for fiscal policies that only benefited the wealthy, you could quit being a wage slave..... so to speak.

"The name of the game is MONEY."

You're a disgusting bastard, and your hero, Jesus, just might also take exception to your revolting observation.

Typical conservative hypocrite.

The name of the game is LIFE, asshole.

I never thought I'd see conservaturds argue for government intervention to tell businesses what hours they should be open. What a bunch of hypocrites... "Git the gubmit out of bidness and git 'er done!"

Where did you see that, dumbfuck? Or is it the Boone's Farm talking?

How about police,healthcare, and airline workers take the day off as well

Or maybe when you set fire to your house with the turkey fryer on thanksgiving you find out that the fire department is closed as well

Yea, but it costs to do that. What you liberals want is for someone to take the loss and be nice to workers at the same time.

It's a cost American society has paid on Thanksgiving and Christmas for many decades. This isn't a liberal-vs-conservative issue. It's a family-vs-greed issue. We shouldn't let Black Friday gobble up Thanksgiving. These midnight openings suck.

I've gone to some Black Friday sales before at 6 a.m., but this year the midnight openings are pissing me off. I will be avoiding the sales and look online instead.

Cyber Monday, dude!

"Yea, but it costs to do that."

Really? I doubt it. At least if you're talking about the economy as a whole. If I have 20 Christmas to gifts to buy, I'm buying 20 Christmas gifts whether I purchase them on Thanksgiving or on Dec 23rd.

"He'd have to go to bed by 4 or 5 on Thanksgiving, which seriously cuts into family time"

I'm saying a 29 year old man should be able to celebrate Thanksgiving and work that night without needing a five hour nap in the middle of the day. Sleep in on Thanksgiving and then once you're up, stay up. If you're dragging ass a little towards the end of your shift, so what? Fuck em, they made you work on Thanksgiving....

Did either of you morons read the article? The complaint is that Target employees have to show up to work Thanksgiving night, not that people are generally upset that Target is selling merchandise that early.

My only point was that the whole thing has gone looney because of the consumer. The commercialization of the holidays has been off the chart for years and continues to get worse.

Every year the holidays start earlier and earlier.

It's no longer the War on Christmas; it's The War on Thanksgiving!

As with the War on Christmas the real enemy here is crass commercialism.

Thus I suggests new names: Crassmas and Banksgiving

I went to a black friday sale once around 7AM at a small electronics store, hoping to get a pair of speakers for myself. They were out of stock because everyone stayed home and bought them online. Anyone who still thinks you need to go to the store to get a good deal is a retard. I'll be sitting at the computer this year getting the same deal.

#26 Rcade: I will be avoiding the sales and look online instead.

I did probably 90% of my Christmas shopping on-line in the last week. Just have to wait for the delivery guy/gal to show up with boxes and make sure the order was right. No way I would go out early to shop on Black Friday and I don't like the stores opening late Thanksgiving night or at midnight, but since I won't shop it doesn't matter. The people who act like crazy shoppers are, um, crazy. ;~)

Look, if all the assholes in the world didn't show up to shop at midnight, we wouldn't have an issue.

If you don't like working in retail, get an education.

I'm saying a 29 year old man should be able to celebrate Thanksgiving and work that night without needing a five hour nap in the middle of the day.

Who cares about that one specific individual? The overall point is that starting Black Friday's workday at 11 p.m. on Thanksgiving cuts into the actual holiday of employees too much. Thousands of people are losing time with their families so shoppers can hit stores in the middle of the night.

Stores could open at their regular time on Friday and still sell stuff to shopping fanatics, no? This whole earliest-to-open trend sucks.

The folks who complain about how corporations treat employees still take their business to those same corporations so until you take your dollars elsewhere just STFU

Thousands of people are losing time with their families so shoppers can hit stores in the middle of the night.

#35 | Posted by rcade

Who the fuck are you to give a fuck how people spend their time? Now suddenly you give a shit that families spend time together, hypocrite?
-Whorebag Hessler

#31 GRENDEL
Don't look for Beck, O'Riley and other right wing fruitcakes to pick up the banner for the war on Thanksgiving. The head of Target is a fellow right wing fruitcake.

I worked retail while growing up and knew tons of employees that didn't give a shit about Thanksgiving or Christmas. These people generally volunteered to work these shifts for time and a half pay.

That's the employees choice. No one is being forced to work those nights, if you knew the store would be open during the holidays you could tell your manager you need those days off and you would get it off.

Its targets choice to stay open and this employees option to not work that night. He should of made certain to ask for the time off ahead of time.

Perhaps if you voted for fiscal policies that were good for the middle-class and poor instead of for fiscal policies that only benefited the wealthy, you could quit being a wage slave..... so to speak.

I work an extra job because I like money, not because I truly need to. I have been blessed in that area. It also keeps me rooted and grounded. Working this job reminds me that I am still an average person at heart.

It also depends on your definition of good policies. I like policies that empower the individual, not just give them money. The environment we have now is good, as the individual can do as much as they have prepared for to make themselves better. If not, they remain poor. It's their choice.

The name of the game is LIFE, asshole.

And I need YOU to define how I live MINE? If you can live off twenty cents a day, good for you. But please dont try to define my existance like that. It takes more money for me and I should have to have YOU telling me how much money I can make or how frugal I need to be...

You are a miserable bastard..

"It takes more money for me and I should have to have YOU telling me how much money I can make or how frugal I need to be..."

I told you nothing of the sort, you illiterate rump-ranger.

"Who cares about that one specific individual? The overall point is that starting Black Friday's workday at 11 p.m. on Thanksgiving cuts into the actual holiday of employees too much. Thousands of people are losing time with their families so shoppers can hit stores in the middle of the night.

Stores could open at their regular time on Friday and still sell stuff to shopping fanatics, no? This whole earliest-to-open trend sucks."

Oh, I agree with that. I believe that personal standards eroded shortly after the boomers took things over and that my generation sells out with equal glee. Business leaders from the older generation would be ashamed to say things like "I have my employees working Thanksgiving night or I just sent 15,000 jobs to China....". Now its the kind of thing they would joke about. There were other conerns than money and some of them had to do with one's own sense of right and wrong. People would feel guilt or shame about making money by resorting to certain tactics. Maybe its not a generational thing so much as the people who only looked at the bottom line without other concerns ended up driving the others out of business. I don't know. I do know that nobody is going to rise to a position of power in any large corporation these days by showing concern for employees. But I agree that its a shame.

"If you don't like working in retail, get an education."

Many people work in retail while they're getting an education.

That didn't occur to your class-conscious mind, did it?

"They aren't just adding them in hopes it happens. they'd add them because they know it would be profitable."

It's almost always profitable to mistreat employees. Doesn't make it right.

When Black Friday comes
I'm gonna dig myself a hole
Gonna lay down in it 'til
I satisfy my soul
Gonna let the world pass by me
The Archbishop's gonna sanctify me
And if he don't come across
I'm gonna let it roll

Steely Dan

"Yea, but it costs to do that. What you liberals want is for someone to take the loss and be nice to workers at the same time."

Well, we used to do that, without question. What's odd about that is that we were more prosperous then, which makes me wonder if putting some generosity into the zeitgeist helps the economy.

Where is the outcry for the Police, Firefighters, Medical professionals, utility workers, etc who have to work on these holidays.

Fuck these whiners.

"Where is the outcry for the Police, Firefighters, Medical professionals, utility workers, etc who have to work on these holidays."

In all of these professions, there used to be holiday staffing, where as many people as possible got off, with seniority being the determining factor much of the time. Others were "on call," subject to coming in only if needed.

There are always a few people who genuinely have to work on Thanksgiving. But we used to have the idea that as many people as possible should share in American holidays, a communal experience that drew us together once.

Seems to me that the one doing the whining is you.

#47 | Posted by glasshouse

Thank you.

...we used to have the idea that as many people as possible should share in American holidays, a communal experience that drew us together once. --- #48 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

We used to have the idea that jobs were respected. I'm disgusted by these people's lack of work ethic. I had to start bartending shifts by 6 or 7 on many Thanksgiving Days, and would not have dreamed of complaining about it -- the more money the place makes, the more hours it can give people.

If you don't like it, get a degree that allows you to work a job where you set your own hours.