Funny thing is, we had a 'legalize marijuana' proposition here on the ballot in California one or two years ago. It lost by a considerable margin. Something like 55% to 45%. I do, however, recognize there is a difference between general legalization and medicinal legalization.

One of the biggest reasons that Prop 19 did not pass in Cali is: "The measure actually lost in the state's key marijuana growing region â€" known as the "Emerald Triangle" and encompassing Humboldt, Mendocino, and Trinity counties â€" because "many in the region feared the system they have created would be taken over by corporations or lose its purpose," reports The Associated Press. There were even rumors in the region that tobacco kingpin Philip Morris was planning on getting into marijuana growing business if the measure had passed, reports the Contra Costa Times.

". It lost by a considerable margin."

ironically the actual growers spent a lot of money to keep it illegal with anti pot campaigns... they didn't want to infringe on their profit margins.

I'm skeptical that weed has any medicinal value but I'm OK with the recreational use of it as long as I can have my medicinal Scotch

"Seven in 10 Republicans oppose legalizing marijuana, while Democrats are divided and independents lean towards legalizing it."

yet the tag of liberal, conservative, and moderate yielded slightly different results.

liberal held the highest support, conservative most certainly against it, and moderate with a fairly balanced ratio.

#2. JustaGirl

I heard about that too. Phillip Morris was [so I heard] buying up land in northern Cali in order to start mass production. Also, I can't blame the people in Northern Cali. They would of either had to sell their land or deal with a huge loss in income.

#1 Moder8

Prop 19 lost 53% to 47%. Not a huge margin. Even 55% to 45% isn't a considerable margin.

"I'm skeptical that weed has any medicinal value..."

Are you really that stupid?

liberal held the highest support, conservative most certainly against it, and moderate with a fairly balanced ratio.

#5 | POSTED BY NOTMYREALNAME

It makes sense.

The point is, according to the article 77% of Americans favor legalized medicinal marijuana. I am skeptical whether that number would prove to be accurate if a ballot were actually held. Cuz remember, for many many months, Prop 19 was heavily favored to pass according to the pollsters. It was only in the month leading up to the actual election that support dramatically dwindled.

I'm a Prop 213 patient, but I also fully support 100% legalization.

However even I voted against prop 19.

Why? Not because I wanted to protect Mexican or Humboldt weed cartels.
It was mostly because the way the law was written was designed to let well-monied corporations have almost immediate control of the supply chain.

That and I don't believe it needs to be regulated the SAME way as alcohol. Alcohol is a far more destructive drug than MJ will ever be. I say we regulate it the same way as aspirin. Which still kills more people per yer than MJ ever has.

i am the 77%

What are these so-called "serious conditions" that warrant weed?
Heart attack (fairly serious) Cancer? ( fairly serious) Dementia/altzheimers (very serious) ear ache (not serious) eye trouble (not serious) in grown toenails (not serious)

#13 you forgot stress.

It was only in the month leading up to the actual election that support dramatically dwindled.

#9 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2011-11-21 04:22 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I will pass within the next 10 years. I think that particular law was poorly drafted.

I'm disappointed in Big Tobacco. Why aren't they using their bought and paid for legislators to make Big Marijuana a reality?

re: #7 Maybe but try as I may I ain't worthy of even attempting to lay claim to your pen name StupidDad

#15 | Posted by rcade

MJ grows just about anywhere but tobacco doesn't.

In the land of the free it's no longer important what the people need or what doctors prescribe. Everything today is about what the highly paid lobbyists and pundits of the 90 IQ set and what the squeaky screamers think, and much more importantly how much the corporate interests profit.

If MJ works it should be a treatment for anyone of us with a serious disease. Serious disease should mean that nothing is off the table as far as treatment. But it is taken off the table so we buy $20K drugs. We have a corrupt nation.

Big pharma and the brewers and distillers control Congress. The laws are made for them, not us. We need to understand that. Anything that makes people feel better that is neither taxed nor regulated must be removed from society. That's how it works.

Rcade, the tobacco industry has no leverage today. Look how high taxes are on cigarettes. That age is over.

The real question is why our former pot-smoking-coke-snorting black president continues to throw disproportionate amounts of black men in jail for non-violent drug crimes and raiding med. mar. dispensaries when 77% support it.

"MJ grows just about anywhere but tobacco doesn't."

the quality is not the same everywhere, unless you're talking about hydro.

"but 51 percent think that general marijuana use should be illegal."

Drugs ARE legal because they're "unalienable rights" (body I/O like Drink, Drugs and shit). Too bad the fucking morons in this CUNT-TREE don't know the truths learned by their own fucking ancestors. Instead they grab otherwise free people and torture them as prisoners till they're thoroughly violated.

You can't prohibit an idea, let alone a fucking weed - the results would be --- well fast and furious, gun walking, opium wars, and of course the number 1 worldwide cash-crop... thanks all to the forbidden being the most appealing. V for Vandetta? of course.

I support medicinal marijuana.
I support recreational marijuana.
Not a fan of using it myself, but what the hell, it's a fricking plant.

The Tom should follow that line of thinking.

Thanks to the fricking control freaks in the bought-out-government and the victims of the nanny state (drugged into submission)... You're forced not only to pay for the recreational MJ, medical MJ, but noooo your payment has been applied to advertizing and operating the prison industrial complex. That's 1000x more than a fag would cost a smoker, and better advertizing because the kids then give them out free at school (just like they trade their parents scrips). But that's just the half of it...

The other half is Dr Pusher = your anointed authority - do what your told (and die) or else face the noise of the angry and STUPID FUCKING mob of idiots. On that I can't tell you how many times I was told "there's no cure for type 2 diabetes" and that I'd "better take those drugs or die". Those are death threats containing miss-information.

Not a fan of using it myself, but what the hell, it's a fricking plant.

#23 | POSTED BY THETOM

So is opium - no problem legalizing that as well for recreational purposes?

#25 yes no fucking problem with full legalization. PROHIBITION = the problem leading to privledged Dr Pushers with widespread dishonest profit motives.

The result? Well isn't it obvious OPIUM production is at an all time high and 1/2 the USA is on-something (Opium = most popular).

So its not a stretch to say Dr Pushers handing that SHIT out as though its somehow necessary for a person to heal a sprain --- and then as though its an extra tough sprain --- and some will keep milking it even if they're busted doing something physical... but most get away with it while WE're expected to Pay more than we earn for something we don't want (INSURANCE) to order more opium for grandma and others?

Thanks to the fucking prohibition grandma's got an interesting medical Cabinet and the kids have fun sharing the pills at school. If the profit and bullshit were gone nobody would want the crap - and there'd be money behind healthy things like organic foods rather than deadly GMO's potentially poison but not even fucking labeled.

#26 | POSTED BY REITZE

Actually Reitze, I agree with you about abuse of medicine. I think all drug users/dealers should be locked up and/or executed depending on the crime. That is how China solved its opium addiction and how Singapore stays drug free today. It is the middle of the road approach employed by the US, due to profit motives on both sides, that makes our drug war unwinnable. Start to execute teenagers that steal and abuse prescription drugs, execute a few doctors for being lax with their prescription book, and the abused WILL STOP. If you truly want to end the harmful effects of drugs in society, history has proven again and again that the only way to accomplish it is an all out war to stamp out abuse....not giving up and throwing the doors wide open.

How any self proclaimed Libertarian could ever oppose the legalization of marijuana is beyond me.

How any self proclaimed Libertarian could ever oppose the legalization of marijuana is beyond me.

#28 | POSTED BY MODER8

Get rid of gov healthcare, welfare, foodstamps, heating and rental assistance, and all other social programs and you can legalize whatever the hell you want in my opinion. I am just not willing to pay so you can take substances which adversely affect your ability to work and lead to a long term drain of taxpayer resources. Cut all that crap, and then take whatever you want.

Actually Reitze, I agree with you about abuse of medicine. I think all drug users/dealers should be locked up and/or executed depending on the crime. That is how China solved its opium addiction and how Singapore stays drug free today.
The rest of their totalitarianism sucks pervert dick like a C___P___.

It is the middle of the road approach employed by the US, due to profit motives on both sides, that makes our drug war unwinnable. Start to execute teenagers that steal and abuse prescription drugs, execute a few doctors for being lax with their prescription book, and the abused WILL STOP. If you truly want to end the harmful effects of drugs in society, history has proven again and again that the only way to accomplish it is an all out war to stamp out abuse....not giving up and throwing the doors wide open.
#27 | Posted by Jacque_Strap at 2011-11-22 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag: ...

History may show you can control people by force but the USA and certainly natives all around the world have proved all of these substances can be managed by the responsible individuals among them and that the rest will be taken care of by God (also a darwinian concept).

y natives all around the world have proved all of these substances can be managed by the responsible individuals among them and that the rest will be taken care of by God (also a darwinian concept).

#30 | POSTED BY REITZE

Yes, crack sure was handled well by the natives of NYC, Baltimore, Gary Indiana, and South Central LA. We are now dealing with the effects of a crack child generation. If it were not for police crack down, the number of deaths would have been in the millions. Also, look at the Meth epidemic today. The children born into those homes don't have any chance at a normal life and society is/will pay the price. You have a defeatist attitude and your policies will lead to the collapse of the United States because the government has shrunk the 'responsible individuals' to a minority of the population via their various attempts at social engineering.

Like all confusion in the USA, Wall Street is the source of this problem. Wall Street charges dearly to launder drug money, with no risk to them. They do not want to give this profit center up for anything.

#32 right on nutcase
#31 someone's payin the Jock-strap for the itch drugs.

I think marijuana diminishes your life experiences. But you can do whatever you like. I also believe that throwing someone in jail for marijuana is ridiculous. Legalize it. Arrest those that drive under the influence. Let Darwin handle the difference.