RCA: the Government

while i get it, moral relativism is not a super-good argument.

No one at MF Global (i.e. Corzine) will face sentences like that, even for stealing a billion from their MF Global customers. We have a nation run for and by the financial thieves, and now they want Obama to make OWS a terrorist group.

Comparing her crime to anything else is irrelevant. We have got to start weeding out fraud at all levels of government entitlement.

Besides, I trust the judge knows what hes doing on this one. Typical lib bleeding heart slant from a media organization that doesnt want to alienate their typical audience. Dont report anything about prior convictions, race, color, job history, illigimate children. Make it sound like some mean ol white judge oppressing the poor minority. She should have the option, forced sterilization or jail. Maybe it will be tougher for her to get pregnant again while in jail for several years?

and now they want Obama to make OWS a terrorist group.

#4 | Posted by Robson at 2011-11-21 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you trying to make the claim that Wall Street should be prosecuted and punished for their crimes and OWS should not? That would go against you first statement in a supremely hypocritical way.

" "Compare this court decision to the fraud settlements on Wall Street,""

you can be do insider trading in congress and nothing.

Lib teachers say we must feed the students lunch and dinner at school because "Baby Momma be tradin all da food stamps for dat crack".

"for their crimes and OWS should not"

hardly a valid response..

a criminal that is ows will be charged as a criminal..

but calling the group a terrorist organization is disgusting.

In order to get CITIGROUP or B of A or any of those other giant multinationals convicted of crimes and punished, you first have to find someone in the DOJ willing to pursue federal charges against them. Unfortunately, the DOJ works for the President...and embarrassing questions get asked of politicians when cases like this get pursued, so the odds of it happening are NIL.

This woman was convicted of fraud....she was obviously a fraud and deserves it. But the prosecutor probably didn't have Eric Holder calling him at home telling him to drop the case, either.

We have got to start weeding out fraud at all levels of government entitlement.

The total "cost" of her fraud was $4,367. She has paid the money back.

At least she now gets free food.

oops. Here's a better link.

I read the article and I get the feeling there is more going on here than the RollingStoner is reporting. The best thing they can say about this broad is she paid back the money. Are you saying its ok to defraud the government when you pay it back, IF YOU GET CAUGHT? This is why so many people are sick and tired of more taxes, libs hate to ensure accountability or personal responsibility

"Are you saying its ok to defraud the government when you pay it back, IF YOU GET CAUGHT?" Especially if you are the CEO of the largest hospital company in America, then you can do it, plead the 5th amendment 75 times and then go get elected to be governor of Florida. This woman's children will suffer because of this judge's ruling.

Radicalrandi is a moron.

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#15 | Posted by RADICALRANDY at 2011-11-21 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is this more that you think is happening? She got caught accepting food stamps when she was ineligible for reasons that were explained. She plead guilty and the judge felt it was within his rights to sentence her to 3 years in state prison.

The whole point of this article was to draw similarities with judgements in other areas where defrauding the government/people often go unpunished and with a fine that's barely a percentage of what is being said to have been robbed.

We have got to start weeding out fraud at all levels of government entitlement

Why limit it to entitlement? Why not government contracting and any other place it occurs?

Is your ideology showing?

"her childern will suffer BECAUSE OF THIS JUDGE..." are you kidding? You just proved my point, personal responsibilty is not part of your thinking. Your minds are wired against it. That is part of the reason it is dangerous to put more tax money in your hands.

That is part of the reason it is dangerous to put more tax money in your hands.

Damn straight! We just need to go borrow a trillion or so from China and invade some country for shits and giggles instead of feeding America's children.

It's the conservative way.

As for what I meant when I said there is more going on here than reported, they do not explain how she was able to pay back the money (probably some other crime, prostitution wouldnt surprise me), her prospects for ever getting clean and her life under control, and finally, that fact that her kids are probably better off in foster care. Instead, they glaze over the details of the case and indict some judge just to pander to their typical antiestablishment reader cliental and capitalize on the current OWS fervor. The point of the article is NOT to draw similarities to anything. It is to convince their readership that they sympathize with their mentality.

I am sick of seeing people in my area walk into a small store and sell their food stamp card for a third of face value. This program does more to buy drugs and alcohol for people than it does food.

DANNI,- you bleeding heart lib What about the children? probably better off with out the crack head around making more Libs. Besides if she can buy drugs she can buy her own food. People make choices in life and Libs need to quit make excuses for their own fuck ups in life!

#3. Is the point moral relativism or simply that two societies exist in the US?

but calling the group a terrorist organization is disgusting.

#9 | Posted by klifferd at 2011-11-21 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't say they should be called a terrorist organization.

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I am sick of seeing people in my area walk into a small store and sell their food stamp card for a third of face value. This program does more to buy drugs and alcohol for people than it does food.

#23 | Posted by Diablo at 2011-11-21 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

No it does not and people who claim this are full of crap. This is the same bullshit that has caused Florida to invest millions into drug testing welfare recipients and find out that maybe 2% of them are on any type of drug.

the point is she was a druggy scamming the system lock her up don't feel bad.

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the point is she was a druggy scamming the system lock her up don't feel bad.

#28 | Posted by zman at 2011-11-21 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's not the flipping point. Omg, it's like talking with kids. The point is that judges often have no problem throwing the book at minor shit, but when it comes to the big stuff where millions or billions of dollars are at stake and the defendants have deep pockets, the state will often plea shit out rather than pursue. That was the whole point of every article linked in the entire series and its like completely gone over the head of some of you.

Also Danni is right, this womans kids are going to suffer because the judge went over and beyond what was recommended in the plea deal.

#29 | Posted by daniel_3

Although I applaud your efforts, arguing with idiots like zman and diablow is pretty much a waste of time.

"You just proved my point, personal responsibilty is not part of your thinking. Your minds are wired against it." Your simplistic thought process doesn't seem capable of grasping the possibility that this woman could have been punished while she continued to care for her chilren. There are many alternatives which could have been considered besides jail.

Your simplistic thought process doesn't seem capable of grasping the possibility that this woman could have been punished while she continued to care for her chilren. There are many alternatives which could have been considered besides jail.

Posted by danni at 2011-11-21 03:35 PM | Reply

Isn't there a thread up saying "we need better parents" already? The question I have? Is danni or danni's victim she defends representing exactly what the headline means?

Your simplistic thought process doesn't seem capable of grasping the possibility that this woman could have been punished while she continued to care for her chilren. There are many alternatives which could have been considered besides jail.

Posted by danni

She can just hop on Facebook and ask somebody else to take care of her kids while she's gone. Problem solved.
It worked for Stacey Hessler...

and find out that maybe 2% of them are on any type of drug.

#27 | Posted by daniel_3

Either their testing sucks, or you're missing a zero.

What percentage of the Gen Pop is on some form of illegal drug (legitimately wondering)? I'd hazard a guess at 15-20%, so I don't know why it would be different for welfare recipients.

Either their testing sucks, or you're missing a zero.

No 101, it is a fact. 2% came back dirty and 2% refused to take the tests. Of those tested, 98% came back clean.

"Isn't there a thread up saying "we need better parents" already? The question I have? Is danni or danni's victim she defends representing exactly what the headline means?" Prison is expensive. This woman will cost taxpayers thousands, she could have been put on house arrest except for work and the taxpayers would have saved lots of money and the kids could have stayed with mom. I have to wonder if Miss. has for profit prisons, that is the only way this story makes any sense.

and the kids could have stayed with mom.
#36 | Posted by danni

You think the kids should stay with mom in this thread, but in the Stacy Hessler thread you're arguing the opposite.
See why you're such a fucking joke?

No 101, it is a fact. 2% came back dirty and 2% refused to take the tests. Of those tested, 98% came back clean.

#35 | Posted by kanrei

You have to admit that's beyond fishy. You could randomly sample monks and they'd come back with higher than 2%...

Something else has to have been in play.
What's your take on the general population? Am I way overestimating?

"See why you're such a fucking joke?"

Because I don't believe every word in the rag you call a newspaper?
I wouldn't pick up the dog's excrement with that disgusting crap you call a newspaper.

After moments of research I can say Mississippi does have private prisons and there is you explanation for jailing this woman. Expect much more of this type of thing, when incarceration is profitable there will be lots more of it.

"Am I way overestimating?"

Just because you think most of the population is as stupid as you are, doesn't mean that they're all on drugs, too.

"See why you're such a fucking joke?"

Because I don't believe every word in the rag you call a newspaper?
I wouldn't pick up the dog's excrement with that disgusting crap you call a newspaper.

#39 | Posted by danni

No, because you can't even figure out a simple post, retard.

Is the Post lying about her leaving behind her family? Are you saying she didn't go, or that she took them with her? If you're not saying either thing, then the point stands, you're fucking stupid.

You think the law breaker (in this thread) needs to be with her kids, but the selfish liberal loser Heller who chose to leave her kids doesn't, according to you. That's why you're a fucking joke...

Having had to explain that to you was typical though.

"No, because you can't even figure out a simple post, retard." No because I don't even bother paying attention to trolls like you.

For the newcomers here you should know 101CHAIRBORNE used to be pretty funny.

No because I don't even bother paying attention to trolls like you.

#43 | Posted by danni

She says as she answers yet another post of the troll in question...

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, Danni, you're a stooge.

8.7% of people 12 and older have tried an illegal drug in the last 30 days, according to the CDC (it was from 2009).
I'll bet it's double because people generally lie about that kind of thing.

For the newcomers here you should know 101CHAIRBORNE used to be pretty funny.

#44 | Posted by danni

And Danni has always been a hypocritical retard that wreaks of stupidity and hypocrisy.

Danni& Daniel , you just don't get it , the whole welfare state nanny bullshit make excuses for wrong doing , plus taking care of all the illegals is costing this country billions in waste. You feel good libs want to give away every ones money , this country is turning into a third word fast and you better wake up you stupid ass bleeding heart libs

Angrydad, I'm the idiot you call yourself a dad, you stupid piece of shit a drug addict mom should be watching her kids instead of jail? Why so the kids can continue the cycle democrats relying on gov. handouts . Grow up and be a real dad .

#48 | Posted by zman

I don't think a meth-addled towel girl at a down-scale Tijuana brothel could've put it any better.

This woman was convicted of fraud....she was obviously a fraud and deserves it. But the prosecutor probably didn't have Eric Holder calling him at home telling him to drop the case, either.

Well and truthfully said.

The intent may be there by those such as Holder to prosecute, but the will and bribes are not. These corrupt motherfucking 1% banker thieves own us and the DOJ because of tribal and crony commonality.

No 101, it is a fact. 2% came back dirty and 2% refused to take the tests. Of those tested, 98% came back clean.
#35 | Posted by kanrei

"You have to admit that's beyond fishy. You could randomly sample monks and they'd come back with higher than 2%...
Something else has to have been in play.
What's your take on the general population? Am I way overestimating?"

Yup... Reality. As of the last report only 2/3rd's had tested and the rest were no doubt waiting to get clean or never bothered to sign up. How else does one explain the 2% being about 7% less than the national average?

BTW... It was a thread here at least a couple of times...

Drug testing is draconian--period.

I know they think some people are going to sell their food stamps in exchange for drugs--but the cost is prohibitive to what you are trying to keep out of the system.

It's also unfair to prohibit people from getting food stamps if they have a past drug offense. That is tyranny too.

People change --people grow up--people straighten up and should not be punished--especially the kids--when the parent has learned and not doing drugs and trying to be come productive.

How are people ever going to become productive citizens if not given a second chance?

Make the folks work for their food stamps--I don't care if it's working or better yet--get them some training for those abled to get a job. Then they don't have to take food stamps at all! Gov't assistance has a place--not for druggies of course.

But the judge went overboard on this woman and for what?

Because he could be such a big prick tough guy. He's dishonest.

Three years!! OMG! They don't even get that for insurance fraud--they get a fine and out. If they are caught again they go to prison.

.... "Mom Gets 3 Years for Food Stamp Fraud"

**** RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN Newt Gingrich got a $300.000 Dollar Fine for using his "Charities" for "Money Laundering"....Newt received No Jail Time!

#54

IOKIYAR!

#54 | Posted by AntiCadillac

Don't forget about Limbaugh, who would have gotten 10-20 years if he wasn't a fat, pompous "connected" guy like Newt.

FHK YES kill the btch how dare her get caught using drugs!
by the way the article does not say what drugs she was caught using.
but fhk her any way if you get caught using drugs all your right must be revoked no school grants no food stamps by God that will make you a more productive citizen! and fhk her kids next time they will be smarter
when choosing who will be there parents.
as for the banks and folks on wall street why they are good Americans providing jobs and helping out politicians to know how to run are government.

this country is turning into a third word fast

Agreed! And one of the characteristics of a third world country is wealth inequality i.e. no vibrant middle class.

I think it's a fraud that food assistance would care about a person's criminal history. Especially the prohibition laws which really fuck over people instead of helping anything.

Its similarly fucked over denying education assistance to kids over a joint. The fucking perverted totalitarians enabled by the bribed DEM/REP fake representatives are killing us with drugs and thugs.

Damn straight! We just need to go borrow a trillion or so from China and invade some country for shits and giggles instead of feeding America's children.

You mean those children with obesity problems? Those starving children?

Doc. Sarvis, at least your towel girl is working in her own country and not using ours. Besides she probably makes good money off of you!

Danni disappears as usual after her face gets rubbed in her diaper.

#61 | Posted by zman

Are you a meth-addled towel girl in a Tijuana brothel?

Just curious.

This woman's children will suffer because of this judge's ruling.

Would the children be suffering if the mother didnt do the crime?

Lying on a federal application is a felony I believe. Big problem. Not sire if she had priors, but there's an old saying......don't do the crime unless you can pay the time!

Another shit article by Matt T, he is slipping!

So she's a repeat offender, having FOUR previous felony convictions. And she lied on statements in 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2010.

Sounds to me like she's a candidate for 3 strikes and your out. Should be thankful she only got three. I have news for you dr left, and matt taibbi....repeat offenders get hammered by judges. That's the way it is.

Article says she has SIX convictions.....

Why did Matt leave out all those details? can you say 'biased jurnolist"?

This is her 5th strike people.

Yup, the money is going to get tighter and the irresponsible are finally going to be held accountable. Good for the judge and it's good for the children since it'll be an early moral lesson that if "you play, you pay." Fraud is fraud and I don't give a rat's rearend who commits it; they should pay the time.