From the link--

“[They]‘ve empowered a young girl, and all kids connected with this girl,” Darren says, “[to believe] that ‘If I don’t like you, all I have to do is say racism and you’re done.’” (He said the student who told Schauble‘s daughter about Grayson’s comment does not like Grayson and, in fact, sent him harassing text messages the following Monday, Nov. 7, celebrating his dismissal. Darren says he’s turning over the texts to law enforcement and school authorities.)

“Is it because my son is from Alabama originally?” Darren says he asked Winger. “Is it because Schauble is someone of importance? In Grayson’s group of friends, every single one of them is of a different ethnicityâ€"Korean, Vietnamese, black, white, Hispanic. Our home has always been open to a wide range of people.”

That includes Julian Eubanks, a childhood friend of Grayson’s mother who bunked with the Thomas family for the first six months of 2011 while he looked for acting work.

“As a man of color and a close friend to this family, I am [offended] that such a grotesque accusation could be made against any of them, especially my ‘G-Man’,” Eubanks recently commented on a blog. “The so called adults in control of this situation have handled it horribly…they need to intervene and clear this young man’s name.”

They have the photos of the kid and Eubanks--who is black.

And the emails from the school mate to the kid.

Pretty bad..

You would think that the news guy would have been flattered to resemble Obama.

What on earth do they think of Reggie impersonating Obama?

Or how about the SNL guy who impersonates Obama??

So no dodgeball, no aspirin, no tag, no gum, no touching at all and don't dare compare someone to Obama--you will be called a racist.

What the heck are we going to see in the months to come for the election?

It’s not what [Grayson] said, it’s how he said it…I can tell you that there was history and that the student had been counseled and we met with the parents.”

the kid probably said something along the line that all "niggers" look alike

the kid broke the school's rules and was expelled.

why are righties such whiny bitches?

"The kicker, Darren says, is that school officials had no basis for determining that Grayson’s comparison implied that all black men look alike. And then they punished him."

That pisses me off. They have no clue what the individual was thinking.

Sounds like the school is being judgmental and intolerant with this.

One might even (based on the logic of the school board) be able to say that the school board is being racist, by assuming a white boy MUST have been meaning this offensively.

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2011-11-18 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag: Retard

Read the whole article. What you just said sounds like "all white people should be killed"...

See how stupid that logic is? That is what the school board used.

"The kicker, Darren says, is that school officials had no basis for determining that Grayson’s comparison implied that all black men look alike. And then they punished him."

That pisses me off. They have no clue what the individual was thinking.

Sounds like the school is being judgmental and intolerant with this.

One might even (based on the logic of the school board) be able to say that the school board is being racist, by assuming a white boy MUST have been meaning this offensively.

#5 | Posted by ExpsRedemption

and you are basing your perceptions on the parents comments. The only comment the school has made is that this is a matter of privacy and the kid has a history and they have strict rules.

Another articulate and clean black guy? You mean there's more than one?
-Harry Reid

The girl who started the whole "I think this is racist" thing was sitting with her father when she first heard about the comment. Why didn't her father just tell her to cut the shit and not be so dramatic about it?

The only comment the school has made is that this is a matter of privacy and the kid has a history and they have strict rules.

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2011-11-18 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Isn't that quaint. That is not sufficient to expel a child for saying "Obama is visiting our school today".

(“Failure to maintain acceptable behavior” is one reason the Newhall School District stipulates for revoking such a permit.

(“Failure to maintain acceptable behavior” is one reason the Newhall School District stipulates for revoking such a permit

(“Failure to maintain acceptable behavior” is one reason the Newhall School District stipulates for revoking such a permit

sucks to be that loud mouth brat

Why didn't her father just tell her to cut the shit and not be so dramatic about it?

#9 | Posted by Sully at 2011-11-18 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

He was pissed to be compared to such a failure and have his daughter hear that they might be even the least bit similar.

Isn't that quaint. That is not sufficient to expel a child for saying "Obama is visiting our school today".

#10 | Posted by ExpsRedemption

If you believe the one side of the story.

If the kid was meaning to be disrespectful to the visitor and Obama, punish him.....but expel him?

a bit dramatic....

Another black child learns that the guberment will make everything ok...
Typical of their kind.

It's a private school. Doesn't that mean they can do whatever they want? : )

If this is the only thing he did, it's fucked up. If there's a history of racism comments, of making others uncomfortable, the school might have a point. I don't see anything actionable from the story as presented here. "Hey, look! It's Obama!" as a joke--dumb, but to a fifth-grader could work for a tall assured black guy and not be racist in some deeply problematic way. I see people who look like celebrities now and then. There's a guy who works in a local restaurant, who became my kid's coach, who looks like a dude who used to play on ER. When my wife had him as a waiter, we both looked at each other and thought the same thing. A look made it clear that we both had the same thought. For a while after, when we saw him, we'd go, "Hey, it's Dr. Morris." When I went home after the practice, I said, "Hey, guess who the coach is? Dr. Morris!" Was I being bigoted toward redheaded Irish guys?

#9 | Posted by Sully

Because they just learned about racism in math class that day.

17--They do that at private schools, too? : )

Child Abuse! Without school breakfast, lunch and dinner this child will starve!

Wow. Little black girl has learned fast. I'll bet it was a very empowering moment for her.

Yet another in the long, pitiful series of bullshit stories about the poor white trash braindead scum being oppressed by the evil 'liberal' racists. (Must be about time for an avalanche of 'war on Christmas' bullshit about now....)

The louder they whine this BIG LIE, the more pitiful they sound.

Face it idiots: You are the original racist scum. No amount of lying and whining and bullshit will change that. And yes, 99.9999% of the KKK filth left the Democratic Party in the early sixties and they went straight to the welcoming racist arms of the GOP.

You may not like it but them's the facts!

Oh.

You may not like it but them's the facts!

#21 | Posted by axe

Looks like it's time to get your mangina overhauled, Axehole...it lieu of a cash donation, I'll gladly donate a 55 gallon drum of alum.

I smell lawsuit. You dems should love this as it is a fact that libs love lawyers and lawsuits.

An insult for sure, but worthy of expulsion? Jesus Christ.

WTF is wrong people?

I said, "Hey, guess who the coach is? Dr. Morris!" Was I being bigoted toward redheaded Irish guys?

#16 | Posted by pragmatist

YES!

You are hereby expelled!

The emails/texts were the worst--besides being expelled.

Stevenson Ranch is pretty affluent area. They had a pretty big fire there about a year ago.

What the? Figures murphy fucked the thread up with too large of margins.

Sorry $war My computer has been doing weird stuff for two months on this site. It drops my links--so I have to paste them twice. When I copy stuff the sentences are separated but when I hit publish the comments collapse and becomes one paragraph.

Like the post above--it was in four separate double spaced sentences and then collapsed.

MURPHY

If you quit ignoring Ron Burgandy's signoff, 'you stay classy, San Diego' that wouldn't happen

LOL

the kid probably said something along the line that all "niggers" look alike

the kid broke the school's rules and was expelled.

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2011-11-18 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ooooo .... Tough guy. Speculating on what a 10-year-old said, and then being an asshole about his own speculation.

Broke what rule? Making an honest observation? Turning it into a joke? Chris Schauble does resemble Obama.

ButtHoleHurts cannot tolerate the idea that a child can be creative or have a sense of humor. At least not when it involves the Magic Negro.

Was I being bigoted toward redheaded Irish guys?

#16 | Posted by pragmatist

YES!

You are hereby expelled!

#26 | Posted by MURPHY at 2011-11-18 11:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, but your name is Murphy. You must recuse yourself from any cases that involve:

1. Irish
2. Irish stereotypes
3. Irish slurs (including two-toilet Irish)
4. Whiskey
5. Drunken brawls
6. The same thing for Scots, just in case you are Scots-Irish

Here's a story with more details:

#34 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2011-11-19 10:40 AM

really?

PC gone to far

rcade,

please tell us which rule he broke to have the waiver revoked?

You just got schooled, dad!

#34 | Posted by rcade at 2011-11-19 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Really? Selective reading Rcade?

What allegedly happened was that Grayson made the comment about the similarities between the newscaster and the President to a friend, which was overheard by a girl who related the comment to Schauble’s daughter who allegedly got upset and told her teacher.

As in any unwitnessed conversation, the exact wording sometimes gets lost in the translation. Winger told Thomas that his son’s comment inferred that “all black people look the same” and that, in the district’s eyes, is racist and a punishable offense.

Interesting. So no one but he knows what he really said... and somehow the district knows not only what he said, but how he said it and how he meant it... Nope... not gonna fly.

What about the girl?

No matter what the Newhall District contends, this problem hasn’t gone away and it looks to be getting more serious. The girl who overheard Grayson’s comments has been texting him on his cellphone, telling him that they had a party to celebrate his removal from the school.

“He told her to stop texting him and she responded F-U and called him a stalker,” Thomas said. He’s taking hard copies of the texts to the sheriff’s department, which could take this incident from a schoolyard remark into a hate crime.

Hmmm... strange... sounds like these two have a history... she seems not to get along with him.

Previous problems? A theft issue which was handled, and this:

he had also been accused of making an inappropriate comment to a girl a couple of years ago. Witnesses defended Thomas and said he did not make the comment.

Interesting. Any witnesses this time to vouch for the kid?

Yep:

The boisterous comments were overheard by a girl who doesn’t get along with Grayson, who told Schauble’s daughter. Principal Candace Fleece interviewed the girls, and the boys, who said that Thomas’ comment was just a joke about how the men looked similar â€" tall, well-dressed, broad smile, friendly.

Verdict based on current information: The school and the district over reacted, maybe reverse racism on the part of the complainer.

Why does this private school have to justify its ruling to you, Glass? I can imagine that speaking to the superintendent that way, maybe especially in a private school, is a pretty serious violation. Maybe not expulsion-level, but pretty over the top. Would you allow your kids to talk to you that way? I bet not.

I see this as an internal issue. I think that if he was expelled just for the little observation/joke, that's way over the top. But we weren't there, and we don't know the history. What if he had done all kinds of blatantly offensive shit, and this little "joke" was him trying to get around the rules, like he was deliberately pushing the envelope. It's a private school; their rules are their own.

please tell us which rule he broke to have the waiver revoked?

Who knows? In situations like this everybody lies to make the other guy look bad. All I'm saying is that if your kid is attending a school with special permission, telling the superintendent his "mind has melted" is a good way to get fucked over.

37--Exp, there's no such thing as reverse racism. All people are racist to some degree, and whether it's a cracker saying blacks are x or a coon saying whites are y, it's just, simply put, racism.

#38 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST AT 2011-11-19 11:04 AM

What private school?

I can imagine that speaking to the superintendent that way, maybe especially in a private school, is a pretty serious violation.

Yep. If your kids are attending a school where the officials have the power to kick them out, you gotta treat them with respect.

reverse racism

I hate that phrase too, prag. To me, reverse racism means hating someone of your own race. Hating someone of a race different than one's own is racism -- pure and simple.

Another story from Murphy that doesn't tell the whole story. Congrats on your lies Murphy.

#38 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST AT 2011-11-19 11:04 AM

What private school?

rcade -- what's with the wide margins on this and a couple of other threads? They seem to pop up on links where a URL link runs amok.

Newhall School District

Public school

rcade -- what's with the wide margins on this and a couple of other threads? They seem to pop up on links where a URL link runs amok.

It's the URL run amok that causes it. I try to fix them when I notice one.

What private school?

It's a public school, but the kid was attending under an interdistrict waiver that gave school officials the power to kick his butt to the curb.

Public charter schools here in Florida have that power too. The kids kicked out end up back in the regular public schools.

46, 47--My mistake. I had the impression from the way people were talking about it here. And because, apparently, I read the article too quickly. So I stand corrected; I was wrong.

All that said...

Would you allow your kids to talk to you that way? I bet not.

I think that if he was expelled just for the little observation/joke, that's way over the top. But we weren't there, and we don't know the history. What if he had done all kinds of blatantly offensive shit, and this little "joke" was him trying to get around the rules, like he was deliberately pushing the envelope?

And btw, I'm pretty sure that disciplinary actions are private/behind closed doors. The district does not need to defend its actions to the general public, and that's often a good thing (if you were the parent of a kid expelled for drug possession or pulling a weapon on someone, do you really want that bruited about the media?). If the parents decide to pursue a lawsuit, they can require access to those records (and should), but I'm pretty sure it stays private outside the context of the classroom. At this point, though, I wouldn't put my kid back in that system if he were in fact mistreated; but I would seek redress if I felt the whole thing were really an attack on my child. Of course, parents whose kids are truly difficult sometimes don't know, can't see it, don't see it at home and so think it's BS, etc. And the opposite is true, too. I can't tell you how many times I've told a parent how engaged and thoughtful their kid is, and the parents have said, "My kid? Really? No way." Sad. But I digress a little.

What I find interesting is that this student was kicked out on possible incident of "racism" based on the charge of the girl (who allegedly texted that she and others were happy he was kicked out, they were throwing a party about it etc.)

A kid charge with racist related offenses by a school an school district is not a cool thing to play around with.

The school and school district should have never made those kind of claims or insinuations in this case... especially based on the evidence present in this article linked and the one that RCADE linked.

I am surprised (but not really) that Rcade overlooked the rest of the information in his link that he put up, that I made evident in 37.

Also, I do not like the term reverse racism either... unfortunately there are many here on the DR that do not think that black people are able to be guilty of racism... and thus reverse racism is the only thing you can call it for it to make sense to them.

All that aside... it is completely messed up and inappropriate (based on the evidence we currently have) for the school and district to insinuate that this student is a racist is some fashion or another.

It's a public school, but the kid was attending under an interdistrict waiver that gave school officials the power to kick his butt to the curb.
Public charter schools here in Florida have that power too. The kids kicked out end up back in the regular public schools.

#49 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2011-11-19 11:28 AM

How do you know what the waiver entailed? Please provide a link that will prove what the latitudes of the district were?

or are you just speaking so much bullshit?

BTW, this is not Florida we are talking about.

"and thus reverse racism is the only thing you can call it for it to make sense to them."

Nonsense. Just call it racism. In the context of your quote, they'll know exactly what you mean. Putting "reverse" in front of it doesn't make those people you cite more likely to accept your claim. I'm not calling you an ass for using it, just pointing something out. (shrug) Would you talk about reverse hate, reverse sexism, etc.? That would be silly.

"All that aside... it is completely messed up and inappropriate (based on the evidence we currently have) for the school and district to insinuate that this student is a racist is some fashion or another."

I agree, but your parenthetical is extremely important. We don't have the evidence, and we probably don't have the right to ask for it. See my previous note about district disclosure. Expulsions and such extreme measures happen in "executive session"--confidential. And there are legal reasons for that.

My computer crashes if I click on the link to the story but on the surface, with just the info I can read on this page, it looks like the school over-reacted to a ridiculous degree. Too many Americans are becoming too thin skinned.

How do you know what the waiver entailed? ... or are you just speaking so much bullshit?

You're accusing me of spreading bullshit when the answer to your question is in the linked story.

"Failure to maintain acceptable behavior" is considered a justifiable reason to remove the waiver.

Sorry, but your name is Murphy. You must recuse yourself from any cases that involve: 1. Irish2. Irish stereotypes3. Irish slurs (including two-toilet Irish)4. Whiskey5. Drunken brawls6. The same thing for Scots, just in case you are Scots-Irish #33 | Posted by vernon Aye--we have a bit of Scots too... I'm afraid to ask about two toilet Irish..

How do you know what the waiver entailed? ... or are you just speaking so much bullshit?

Glass-- Say you live in a district (big district that covers perhaps 3 close cities or communities) with say 5 different elementary schools, 4 middle schools and 2 high schools.

One of the elementary schools is really above the rest--but your house is closer to another elementary school that is only ok.

You as the parent go to the district and literally apply for an interdistrict waiver to attend the better school. You are still in the district but the school is out of your neighborhood boundary lines.

The district allows these waivers when there is room and the child needs to be 'good'.

They have grades and conduct to maintain. They can revoke the waiver for any reason--doesn't even have to be a good one.

--------------------

And Rcade your link just reinforces the initial link.

The Dad didn't fire off the 'mush melt down' until after the school kicked out his kid.

Now the only resort is to sue and/or get the sheriff to do something about the manure emails from the girl--which ain't gong to happen because she is black.

I hope that wasn't too racist?

"Now the only resort is to sue and/or get the sheriff to do something about the manure emails from the girl--which ain't gong to happen because she is black. "

Not racist, just silly. Is the girl e-mailing the boy? If so, that's harassment and is probably actionable. Is she e-mailing friends and celebrating? That's shitty behavior, but hardly illegal. Unless maybe there's slander or libel of which to make hay.

Prag--the link has copies of the texts she sent the kid--they are having a party because he got expelled.

speech can get you expelled?
america?

shunned by classmates sure..
expelled.
fucked up.

destroying a kids future for one sentence. its complete bullshit.

i feel like this only part of the story.

maybe this was just the straw that broke the camels back.

"Prag--the link has copies of the texts she sent the kid--they are having a party because he got expelled."

I saw only the pictures of some texts. I couldn't tell if she sent them to the kid or to friends. And I didn't care enough to go back and look. : ) That's why I asked questions, rather than asserting. How did those texts get into the public eye? Isn't private conversation still private (until a lawsuit begins, in which case I think it's still private insofar as it's seen only by those involved in the suit).
+++++

Klifferd--I think your second post is the point. If it's just one sentence, I agree with what you're saying in 60. And btw, what you got against capital letters? : )

#4 | Posted by truthhurts
"why are righties such whiny bitches?"

In this case, the "whiny bitches" are the principal and superintendant.
Not to mention the daughter.

Prag the little brat sent the texts to the little boy who was expelled--no privacy attached.

The Dad released them--they were on the phone he pays for.

64--Hm. So if you call me and leave a pissy message, I can release that to the general public? Better many: If you e-mail me, I can make that public without your permission? I don't know the answer; do you? You seem to think you do, given your line about who pays for the phone. Are you a lawyer as well as an insurance whatever you are? : ) Did you look it up? I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just wondering how you're so sure.

But yes, the daughter misbehaved. Rubbing it in is always bad behavior.

And really, "the little brat" vs. "the little boy"? Sounds like you're pretty clear on who was in the wrong. Exactly how do you reach that conclusion with only the evidence provided in a news article? It certainly isn't clear to me that the boy didn't misbehave. I don't think the line alone is worthy of excoriation or even action. But it sure feels like there's more to it. But I don't care, really. I don't think anyone's life has been ruined. The publicity makes 'em all look bad, if you ask me. Not that you did.

It certainly isn't clear to me that the boy didn't misbehave.

Me neither. There's not enough information to judge, and the claims of the kid's dad are hard to take at face value. Obviously, if all he said was that the guy looks like Obama, that's not grounds for punishment of any kind.

Prag--when you send a message via voice mail or text--it's wide open to be broadcasted.

If you are taping someone's conversation --depending on the state--you better let the other person know and you better have their permission to tape the conversation.

Gennifer Flowers released Bill Clinton's voice messages on her machine for the media--no crime.

As for emails--my emails have a disclosure under my name and it can't be disseminated--it's protected--and if the email went to the wrong person they are instructed to destroy the email--lol

Texts are like voice mails--not protected and can be broadcasted.

Just like the sexting and sending people neked photos over the phone--it's not protected and can be published, downloaded and put on facebook by the receiver.

Will someone get into trouble--no doubt.

But they received the texts--which are harassment--and downloaded them and they are for folks to read.

muffy resembles an even bigger fucking moron than she really is for posting this piece of tripe...someone should expel her skanky rtard ass from this site for being such a stunted buttmunching cunt

Murphy - I can't read the article or see the image. The site you linked has a subscription popup that demands clicking - which I refuse.

Is there some other place this news exists? Preferably without popups and invasive forced-clicking?

RED... I could read it without having to sign up for anything at roughly 720pm Saturday.

Sounds like political correctness run amok. Even if one thinks all black people look alike... the kid is a fifth grader. Are you gonna place motive on him? Is the punishment really justified, given the 'crime?' wow

I hope this kids parents sue the shit out of the school district.

Here Red--

All people are racist to some degree

#40 | Posted by pragmatist at 2011-11-19 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's not true, despite you being a bigot.

I'm a white American married to a brown Filipina and we have half-breed children. My wife's best friend here is a brown Flip married to a chink and has a couple of half-breeds herself.

Hell, I have to deal every damn day with chinks, Japs, Flips, towel-heads and monkeys.

On my one day off this week my wife made salsa and we're eating wetback food for dinner.

Actually "reverse" racism is just a back door way to indicate that it's a black person being racist because the PC police are watching.

When someone hears "racist" most people think of some cracker calling someone a coon. (as prag pointed out).

However it's a minefield to even mention someone black being racist, so they say "reverse racism" so that it's implied but not spelled out.

I could be wrong but that is the gist that I got out of the story. That it's not so much the outrage of the kid comparing the reporter to Obama, but the black girl going all Salem Witch Hunt and getting him expelled for what amounts to hearsay. Then to text the kid mockingly etc...not exactly bright.

While I do agree with RCade about the mentality of badmouthing the guy in control, I find myself wondering, if the kid was black and the comparison was a white reporter and a white pres, would that opinion be reversed and the father been seen as 'right to stand up for his kid'.

It's a fucked up world.

Too many Americans are becoming too thin skinned.

#54 | Posted by danni at 2011-11-19 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama was elected because he's black, but not too black (like Colin Powell). Because Democrats are too racist to nominate someone who is actually black. Democrats cannot fathom the idea that a real black person could be a global leader.

Democrats would never nominate a genuine negro. It would symbolize to all the other slaves that escape from the plantation is possible. That could not be tolerated.

I'm afraid to ask about two toilet Irish..

#56 | Posted by MURPHY at 2011-11-19 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

One of my favorite ethnic slurs

a two-toilet Irish is someone who is Irish and uppity.

like ......

"He's so smug and smart. He probably has two toilets in his house."

67--Murph, I'm talking about laws, not what's technologically possible. I could easily tape someone without telling them. I could easily take your "protected" e-mail and forward it. Do you have some links for these assertions you're making? I asked a question and you're just re-asserting. That's not evidence.

75--I hope you were joking. Yes, everyone is racist to some degree (uncomfortable with those of a different kind, etc.). Not everyone is bigoted or acts on the internal feelings. And no I'm not bigoted; nice try.

76--No, "reverse racism" is just bad English; it suggests that racism is ONLY white on black (or maybe white on non-white). That's silly. It's also repetitive. Just silly. But if y'all wanna be Humpty Dumpty about it, go for it.

77--Obama was nominated for lots of reasons. Race probably plays in, but that's some convoluted shit you got goin' on there.

78--Thanks for the explanation. I wondered when I read it. Of course, that two is based on a form of prejudice: Irish are poor and can't afford more than one toilet; also, that anyone who rises above, or wants to be more than, he/she is to begin with is somehow uppity or a traitor to his/her own kind. I see this sometimes in parents: "What do you gotta go to college for? I only got a high school diploma, and that was good enough for me!" Pretty fuckin' sad.

According to Grayson’s dad, Darren Thomas (who provided the previous details), what happened next was scary: Word of his son’s Obama-Schauble comparison spread to Schauble’s daughter, Shelbi, who was sharing lunch with her newsman father. And Shelbi was uncomfortable with Grayson’s statement, saying it felt racist.

"Yep. If your kids are attending a school where the officials have the power to kick them out, you gotta treat them with respect."

Wouldn't that be a case of an adult taking out a personal grudge against a father on his child? That's probably worse than overreacting to a harmless comment, which also seems to have happened here.

The school admins may be able to kick the kid out. That doesn't mean they aren't being cowardly and/or petty in doing so.

81--True, but it's kinda like being rude or overtly pissy to a copy when he or she pulls you over.

80--This is what bugs me about the DR. Why can't we just say "What a dumbass!" without a label? (I have great respect for you, LoD. You know this. I'm just sayin'. : ) )

Prag,

In general, oversensitive or false cries of racism come from the left.

You may have seen me bash "small government conservatives" on police abuse threads as well, and it's because typically support for police abuse comes from the right.

They both have their set of ugly stereotypes.

I conveniently go to them when I'm feeling intellectually lazy and just want to take a pot shot for no other reason than to be an ass.

That said, you're probably right.

"In general, oversensitive or false cries of racism come from the left....
They both have their set of ugly stereotypes.
I conveniently go to them when I'm feeling intellectually lazy and just want to take a pot shot for no other reason than to be an ass."

You are both correct and funny. That's why I gave ya the smile. If some other, more strident conservative or conservative-leanin' fella made the crack you did, I wouldn't have been so nice.

Plus, it's fun to poke you now and then and see what happens. One day, you're gonna let me have it.

"81--True, but it's kinda like being rude or overtly pissy to a copy when he or she pulls you over."

Yeah but the cop is going to write you a ticket. The cop doesn't write your child a ticket.

School administrators need to be above taking their dislike of a parent out on the kid.

Plus, it's fun to poke you now and then and see what happens. One day, you're gonna let me have it.

#84 | Posted by pragmatist at 2011-11-20 03:35 PM

85--I agree about the wrongness of admins or teachers acting out against kids. But that still doesn't mean one should poke them. Sure, you can sue after the fact, or you can agitate to get the person fired, but why go there? Especially inflammatorily.

86--Ouch.

"but why go there? Especially inflammatorily."

Saying the kid is racist without reason is inflammatory. If someone picks on their kid, parents tend to respond in kind. Show me a father who is going to kiss the ring of some jackass who is picking on his son and I'll show you a shitty father.

86--Ouch.

#87 | Posted by pragmatist at 2011-11-20 03:50 PM

On a serious note, thanks for the remarks, and have a good one.

Sully--We don't know if it's without reason. I can certainly imagine a history that ends in this kid being told "Don't do it again or else," then he tries to sneak something by and here's what happens.

That said, I'm with you on the "Don't fuck with my kid." I ripped a special educator a new asshole at the beginning of the school year for just that reason. The next step will be going directly (rather than through a cc'd e-mail) to her boss. And after that, it will get really ugly. (No, no physical violence. Worse. The worst person for a school to fuck with is a parent who is a teacher or administrator. We know the rules and the laws.)

89--You, too, man.

"Sully--We don't know if it's without reason. I can certainly imagine a history that ends in this kid being told "Don't do it again or else," then he tries to sneak something by and here's what happens."

That's true. But in the absence of any other informaton it certainly seems to me like the school overreacted in this case. I can only base my opinion on the info that is available. Not saying this to argue with you, just explaining my opinion.

91--Understood. Based only on what's here, I am inclined to agree. However, my knowledge of schools tells me there is, quite likely, more going on. There sort of has to be. Well, maybe. I know my board wouldn't approve of expulsion for only this. But then, in my school, the board has to vote on expulsion (in "executive session," which means confidentially, behind closed doors). Maybe it's not so here? Regardless, what a mess!

"Maybe the WHITE Kid should have said he worshipped Michelle Obama and he would have been granted a free scholarship to ucla"

Yeah, principals have money like that to throw around.

And the guy looks like Obama to the same extent that I look like Brad Pitt--scruffy white guy, blue-eyed, light brown hair, of an age.

And the left wonders why Michigan in the original anti-bully bill wanted to protect freedom of speech as regards individuals that legitimately would be able to express their beliefs as regards homosexuality. The thought police are starting to make a mark in America and it'll only get worse until people tire of the sickness of political correctness and takes matters finally into their own hands.

The best outcome would be for the principal, Candace Fleece, then the Newhall School District superintendent, Marc Winger to be shot through the head. That way no one would have to pay for these idiots to be employed by taxpayers.

94--No, we didn't (assuming I speak for the left, which I don't, but since Mats is enjoying the monolithic here). We didn't want the bill to carve out a new protected group and allow for people to bully others and defend it with "Well, my religion says." The bill was crap, not because it pushed for freedom of speech and sincere belief, but because it took teeth out of a bullying law and inserted inanity. No bullying/harassment law I've seen says you can't SAY what you believe, but rather that you can't insist others are shit for believing otherwise, that you can't use what you believe to attack someone else. If you know of other bullying laws that truly curtail freedom of speech (not hateful speech but statements of belief), you're free to offer it. : )

But yeah, this action by the principal (where's the board in this), based on the evidence we have, is at best highly questionable.

he kid probably said something along the line that all "niggers" look alike
the kid broke the school's rules and was expelled.
why are righties such whiny bitches?

#4 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2011-11-18 04:38 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

This is an 10 year old and I would bet you any amount of money the kid never said anything of the sort.

What a fucking asshole you are are deep down inside.

Your a disgrace to the left.

Democrats would never nominate a genuine negro.
#77 | Posted by vernon at 2011-11-20 03:16 AM | Reply | Flag: All-Around Buffoon & Self-Appointed Deciderer Of Authenticity Of Negritude