Well, ah DUH!

- And if Obama is reelected Iran will have nukes.

- And if Obama is reelected Iran will have nukes.

Why didn't Axis of Weasels guy Bush take care of that? Oh yeah, he was too busy getting his ass kicked by some guys on donkeys. And shipping Ipads to NK.

You gonna blame Obama and his time machine for lil'Kim having nukes too?
An Iran with nukes would probably keep Israel in line. Won't stop Israelis from spitting on christians, though.

Northguy, not all Israelis spit on Christians. Just the extremist ones.
Of course if you stand too close to one, and you're a Buddhist, you'd still get hit by the consonant spit. Unintentional, though.

So is solitary confinement. The way Obama has been treating Bradley Manning for 560 days. The purpose is to turn Bradley into a vegetable and then convict him.

They're wrong. And anybody who has actually read about and understands the practice of waterboarding would say that that is torture. And that's not something we do. Period."

Posted by rcade

Somebody didn't get the memo.

Who said it "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

A) Jerry Sandusky

B) Corky

C) Both A and B

"You gonna blame Obama and his time machine for lil'Kim having nukes too?"

Nope. That was Carter and Clinton's baby.

Obama is a peice of trash. Period.

Does that mean John McCain is a piece of trash too, Rex?

Does that mean John McCain is a piece of trash too, Rex?

#10 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2011-11-14 11:23 PM

Sincerely,
RexZeitgeist

@3
LOL, I remember in 2006 there was a leak claiming that the Iranians didn't have a nuclear weapons program. Or at least weren't developing missiles. Boy was that intell wrong. Probably some pants wetting, hankie wringing, Bush deranged liberal leaked it out of some hatred for America. That leak put the kabosh to any popular support for any action Bush could have taken against Iran and he rightly acquiesced.

One thing that Obama could have done is support Iranian popular uprisings like he did against Quaddafi. And, don't worry too much about Israel. They're just 'little' Satan.

- And if Obama is reelected Iran will have nukes.

#2 | POSTED BY HUGUENOT AT 2011-11-14 10:13 PM

I have no problem with that.

LOL,
You might.

#13 | POSTED BY DARTHCHENEY AT 2011-11-15 12:16 AM

Assured mutual destruction is the greatest and most effective deterrent to thermonuclear war.

If he'd had a pair like that before now he might have avoided becoming a WAR CRIMINAL himself. Instead he's just using it to run to the end of his chain and bark like a good dog.

#14 | POSTED BY HUGUENOT AT 2011-11-15 12:22 AM

No. No I won't.

Ok, What good can come of it?

If you believe irans pop uprising was anything like Libya or Egypt. You on,y have a skin deep understanding.

"They're wrong. And anybody who has actually read about and understands the practice of waterboarding would say that that is torture. And that's not something we do. Period."

So where is the indictment for Dick Cheney Asshole? All smoke, no fire with this prick.

Torture can get anyone to admit anything.

It produces false results.

That is WHY the army stopped using it.

If Iran gets nukes----I'm hard-pressed to think what a President (shiver) Romney could do about it. The choice seems to reduce to making faces at the Iranians or what could be a nasty war.

At least, I don't know what Romney could do about it publically. Not visible to the common eye might be any number of things, such as cyber attacks, that someone (could Obama have been one of them?) has made ongoing.

Romney is a poseur, by the way. His own Party was the first to notice that. It's interesting that he might become president almost entirely because he's spent six years looking forlorn, and because virtually every Republican that opposes him seems to be crazy, or has some history of it.

so what

american television is the biggest form of tourture

We'll have to be careful how far down we define torture. If we let the liberals define torture the accommodations for the terrorists won't stop.

We'll have to be careful how we define torture. If we let the riighties define torture the violations of international law won't stop.
#26 | Posted by Huguenot

Fixed in a jiffy!

What an emotional reaction. Wouldn't international law include wearing a uniform? Or have something in there against terrorism?

Barack Obama responded, "They're wrong. And anybody who has actually read about and understands the practice of waterboarding would say that that is torture. And that's not something we do. Period."

However, it's ok with me if we drop bombs on "suspected" terrorists and in the process kill or maim innocent people in the area. But throwing water in someones face is torture. I like my torture from afar - BO

So you're opposed to drone attacks against terrorist targets, Freddy?

Now, watch the lil' tyke do his Squirmin' Herman impression.

It produces false results.
That is WHY the army stopped using it.
#22 | Posted by Monstman at 2011-11-15 07:33 AM | Reply | Flag: AND MORE

Torture produces disrespect even of yourself. It certainly destroys the leader's credibility as any sort of leader and reveals he's got SATANIC TYRANT ASSHOLE issues. The world said it together after WW2 and its saying it again now in all the uprisings and shit like that. Just like the police actions at the occupy events only escalate the scene.

Think you could torture my child and live? I'd hunt you the rest of my life... And THATs the reason TORTURE BLOWS BACK - its not leadership its SATANIC. Sadistic tendencies with massive ignorance and profits to gain at best... could get sex drugs rock too.... if you want to really lead you should read.

IMHO a good comprehension of leadership of nations requires this minimum reading set.
1. The Art Of War - Sun Tsu
2. The bible
3. The Fountainhead AND Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
--- some other good stuff----
4. The Celestine prophesy - Redfield
5. The Fith Sacred Thing - Starhawk
6. Other religions' books (Koran, Tao, Budist, mayan, mormon, dianetics, satanism, voodoo, tantra, sumarian, ...)
7. Apocrypha

"So you're opposed to drone attacks against terrorist targets, Freddy?"
#30 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

God you are a stupid shit! I was pointing out the hypocracy of Obama's position. I love drone attacks and waterboarding too!

Get it now?

So you're bothered by what you see as hypocrisy, rather than the act itself?

In other words, you've really got nothing to complain about? And that's what you're complaining about?

Freddy, whatever anyone tells you? You're not ready for a learner's license yet.

What disturbs me is that 6 of 8 GOP candidates basically gave permission for our enemies to waterboard our troops by declaring it legal and not torture.

It is torture, pure and simple. The main purpose of water boarding (how it works) is to make the person (victim) believe they are drowning (fear of life). To put it simply- it is making someone believe they are going to die and drowning is one of those primitive basic fears all animals share, so we are talking deep rooted fear being invoked.

God you are a stupid shit!
#32 | Posted by FreddyK

Considering the source, I'm giving that one an "Unintentionally Hilarious" flag.

We'll have to be careful how far down we define torture. If we let the liberals define torture the accommodations for the terrorists won't stop.
#26 | Posted by Huguenot at 2011-11-15 09:00 AM | Reply | Flag: So what

Try this. IMHO it's when you f-over a person's life. Like a detainment more than a few hours quickly becomes that for a normal person. And back in the days of king George exactly that issue and some other issues lead to our nations beginning via revolution.

Now if you apply the f-over a person's life idea to a war-zone it may have more lee-way like detainment, but no fucking way does using any sort of fear-force (starvation, medical, mental, physical) to make a person talk pass the torture smell test. Yes even a barking dog in-face = torture per Geneva convention interpretation.

Now if you apply the f-over a person's life idea to a citizen somewhere that's not a war zone... wrecking their income, jobs, homes, etc... Well we have over 1M torture victims of our "War On Drugs" due to all of our hypocrisy about it. Explaining that POV is more complex...

Start with Doctors aligned with big pharma and insurance. Rather than working for your health they work together to get your money. They're so good at it they've got over 1/2 of the USA "ON SOMETHING". 50 years ago most Drs had their own home businesses and made most of their $ that way. But now a Dr with no $ needs a job to get business because starting up a Dr practice has been regulated into oblivian (power-to the top, #0ccupy concept).

Then the other 1/2 who might smoke or snort something or try to profit without the consent get extorted another way. They get locked up while the tax payers pay for that, voting rights removed, their children removed from them, and on and on... while another aligned business benefits, the prison industrial complex. And then of course for the prison industrial complex to maximize profits the military industrial complex has lots of technology for sale.

Meanwhile the sick people who wanted medicine their Drs didn't approve sitting in jail are considered by me to be TORTURE VICTIMS - of the perverted system of hypocrisy. The profiteers may not be as clean but surly there's some in the can who only bought pot for granny and now they can't vote. I want their votes per the constitution so the hypocracy tortures our constitution too when considering the substances to be inalienable rights (anything entering/leaving the body including fetuses drugs and shit).

"Considering the source, I'm giving that one an "Unintentionally Hilarious" flag."

#35 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

It must be sad to be drunk and stupid. Are you fat too?

The way Obama has been treating Bradley Manning for 560 days. The purpose is to turn Bradley into a vegetable and then convict him.

#5 | Posted by nutcase

He should be dead, not in solitary. Although, I should add that prior to executing him, he should be in solitary confinement.

Bradley Manning shouldn't have been alowwed to be in the military in the first place. Like most gheys, he was an emotional basket case, and his problems with his pre-op Marytylerwhorish fuck buddy caused it to leak documents that were classified.
Do what the AIDS hasn't had a chance to do, and kill Bradley Manning now!

Listening to little o speak it torture.

"Obama: Waterboarding is Torture"

Why not include the classic election topics...homosexuality and abortion.

"Obama: Waterboarding is Torture"

Why not include the classic election topics...homosexuality and abortion.

#40 | Posted by KBM

Okay, waterboarding aborted homosexuals is torture.

Do what the AIDS hasn't had a chance to do, and kill Bradley Manning now!
#38 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2011-11-15 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

A citizen has a right to a fast and speedy trial even if it means they're executed. And sure being in-military changes the game-plan as far as indivitual rights like that but the common human being's expected approach from a deascent goverment (in contrast with a tortorous tyrant gestapo,... ) would be that such a person face trial/conviction quickly with the facts of the case public or at least encased into some sort of independently verifiable controlled package... THEN EXECUTION would be GOOD.

Instead, he's just another example of a Torture victim of the USA, and since he was exposing USA's WAR CRIMES that elevates him to martyr status.

Allowing torture tortures the credibility of the leader who allowed it and creates powerful enemies against both him and everything he represents including his nation. That's not good. And NFW do any torturing candidates stand a chance in hell of getting a vote by me. I'd write in my dog first.

#42 so are they the USA's war crimes or the POTUS's war crimes? Before Bush v Gore my only sense that we were war-criming was Reagan but looking back to Nixon and I personally do remember how f'd Johnson was too and before that idk im sure some things have been what they are for a long time and the forces that drive the most negative of results are among us.

Hopefully the idea of campaigning while openly endorsing torture and seeing the backlash of it will get the point across to some of the undecideds about torture. A more direct experience got the point across to John McCain.

#27 dok........... come out of your dream world. You didn't fix shit.

What an emotional reaction.

#28 | Posted by Huguenot at 2011-11-15 09:04 AM

This coming from a guy shitting his pants over rumors of Iranian nukes.

#34 kan........ Torture is real pain, not being tricked into believeing something is happening that is not happening. Telling someone that you are going to cut off their nuts isn't torture, cutting off someone's nuts IS torture. Waving a pair of pliers in someone's face is not torture, pulling their fingernails out with the pliers is torture.

Torture is real pain

Not true. Torture can be physical or emotional. This is why, for example, it is illegal for a cop to place his gun on the table during an interrogation.

You do realize 6 of 8 GOP candidates gave permission for US Troops to be waterboarded when captured now, right?

Yes, torture has been redefined over the last decade.

Didn't Reagan have a sheriff prosecuted for waterboarding?

How times change.

God you are a stupid shit! I was pointing out the hypocracy of Obama's position. I love drone attacks and waterboarding too!

Get it now?

#32 | Posted by FreddyK

no... but at least we know what to get you for Christmas now.

Do what the AIDS hasn't had a chance to do, and kill Bradley Manning now!
#38 | Posted by 101Chairborne

You sure you don't want to waterboard him first Mr Torture Werks™?

we dont torture, we kill Americans with drones-- Obummer

What disturbs me is that 6 of 8 GOP candidates basically gave permission for our enemies to waterboard our troops

no they typically just take the head off right at the neck kanrei- waterboarding would be getting off easy.

typically just take the head off right at the neck kanrei-

How many of our troops have been beheaded for you to say "typcially?"

#34 kan........ Torture is real pain, not being tricked into believeing something is happening that is not happening. Telling someone that you are going to cut off their nuts isn't torture, cutting off someone's nuts IS torture. Waving a pair of pliers in someone's face is not torture, pulling their fingernails out with the pliers is torture.

#46 | Posted by Sniper at

threatening to rape a man's child is not torture, raping them is?

hahahahahaha, perhaps if you beg real hard the devil will give you back your soul.

threatening to rape a man's child is not torture, raping them is?

I didn't know that was being debated, but since you brought it up, are you asserting that threatening to waterboard someone is torture?

"answer the question, or I'll pour water on your face"

If that is said, it's already torture?

"Torture is real pain, not being tricked into believeing something is happening that is not happening. Telling someone that you are going to cut off their nuts isn't torture, cutting off someone's nuts IS torture. Waving a pair of pliers in someone's face is not torture, pulling their fingernails out with the pliers is torture."

Reading the same drivel since 2005/05/24 from a man pretending to be Cindy Sheehan tops them all.

Waterboarding is not a threat, it is an action. You are drowning someone. And before people talk about how our troops are waterboarded during training, there is a fundamental difference between your buddies holding your head underwater vs someone you know wants to kill you.

reatening to rape a man's child is not torture, raping them is?

I didn't know that was being debated, but since you brought it up, are you asserting that threatening to waterboard someone is torture?

"answer the question, or I'll pour water on your face"

If that is said, it's already torture?

#56 | Posted by eberly

depends on the circumstances, if the prisoner has every reason to believe that the threat is real, yes torture

"Torture is real pain, not being tricked into believeing something is happening that is not happening. Telling someone that you are going to cut off their nuts isn't torture, cutting off someone's nuts IS torture. Waving a pair of pliers in someone's face is not torture, pulling their fingernails out with the pliers is torture."

Reading the same drivel since 2005/05/24 from a man pretending to be Cindy Sheehan tops them all.

#57 | Posted by crispee_oc at

ummm is peepee condemning torture?

#59

what about any threat, Truth?

I think you are trying to widen the definition too broadly. I accept the argument to include waterboarding inside of "torture" but you are trying to widen it too far.

From a personal moral perspective...fine with me.

but get real.

Nope, not widening anything, threatening the use of torture is torture, especially when the threat is real.

For example, in Abu Graib, they exposed prisoners to angry snarling dogs. The dogs were restrained but instilled terror on the prisoners. that is torture.

How many of our troops have been beheaded for you to say "typcially?"

#54 | Posted by kanrei at 2011-11-15 02:38 PM | Reply |

the same amount that has been waterboarded

ummm is peepee condemning torture?
#60 | Posted by truthhurts at 2011-11-15 02:58 PM |

No I am condemning men like you trying to be the Cindy Sheehan of drudge the last six years. IMO it has been torture reading the posts of a loon who has posted the same crap over and over and over again.

ummm is peepee condemning torture?
#60 | Posted by truthhurts at 2011-11-15 02:58 PM |

No I am condemning men like you trying to be the Cindy Sheehan of drudge the last six years. IMO it has been torture reading the posts of a loon who has posted the same crap over and over and over again.

#64 | Posted by crispee_oc

who is so desperate for attention that they would actually respond to someone who is calling them "peepee"...

For example, in Abu Graib, they exposed prisoners to angry snarling dogs. The dogs were restrained but instilled terror on the prisoners. that is torture.
#62 | Posted by truthhurts at 2011-11-15 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's not OK under any circumstances and if you think it is then go to hell.

"then why do I have an erection looking at it?"

-Donnerboy

Lets say my squad and I are out on patrol and we take some sheet head prisoner. I shouldn't point my gun at him because that would be torutre? He thought I was going to shoot his camel riding ass.

So............... I am stopped by the highway patrol real late at night and he comes up to me with his gun pointed at me. I can sue him for torture? I thought the guy was going to shoot me.

You guys are nucking futz. You better think thru your arguement a little better next time.

#69 | Posted by Sniper at 2011-11-15 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag: can't even spell torture or argument

How does someone as pathetically stupid as you manage to find food?

How does someone as pathetically stupid as you manage to find food?

"They're wrong. And anybody who has actually read about and understands the practice of waterboarding would say that that is torture. And that's not something we do. Period."

"That's what outsourcing is for...."

"then why do I have an erection looking at it?"

-Donnerboy

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2011-11-15 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag: who strangely gets a boner just by typing the word "donnerboy"

Torture is real pain, not being tricked into believeing something is happening that is not happening.

#57 | Posted by crispee_oc at

As in waterboarding? You make it seem that some clever man is simply pulling a rabbit out of a hat, and that the victim is at fault for falling for the illusion.

Thanks for finding something even more depressing than an aridly sadistic deconstruction of what it means to be tortured. You've created an aridly sadistic deconstruction of what it means to feel pain.

#74 | Posted by Zed at 2011-11-15 08:15 PM

Sorry to hear that Zeddy. Maybe you should tell that to the person who posted it. Otherwise you look rather retarded telling me what I think when I never gave any hint to what I thought. Or why you think I pasted it. Which also went over your seat on the short bus...

#34 kan........ Torture is real pain, not being tricked into believeing something is happening that is not happening. Telling someone that you are going to cut off their nuts isn't torture, cutting off someone's nuts IS torture. Waving a pair of pliers in someone's face is not torture, pulling their fingernails out with the pliers is torture.

#46 | Posted by Sniper at 2011-11-15 12:23 PM

Torture, according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture (an advisory measure of the UN General Assembly) is:

...any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions. --UN Convention Against Torture[5]

An even broader definition was used in the 1975 Declaration of Tokyo:

For the purpose of this Declaration, torture is defined as the deliberate, systematic or wanton infliction of physical or mental suffering by one or more persons acting alone or on the orders of any authority, to force another person to yield information, to make a confession, or for any other reason.

Fourth Geneva Convention

Article 3 states that even where there is not a conflict of international character the parties must as a minimum adhere to minimal protections described as: noncombatants, members of armed forces who have laid down their arms, and combatants who are hors de combat (out of the fight) due to wounds, detention, or any other cause shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, with the following prohibitions:

(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) taking of hostages;
(c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment
(d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

Torture is the act of inflicting severe pain (whether physical or psychological) as a means of punishment, revenge, forcing information or a confession, or simply as an act of cruelty. Throughout history, torture has often been used as a method of political re-education, interrogation, punishment, and coercion. In addition to state-sponsored torture, individuals or groups may be motivated to inflict torture on others for similar reasons to those of a state; however, the motive for torture can also be for the sadistic gratification of the torturer.

The point being...You don't get to make up the definition of torture. It has already been agreed upon by the international community.

"...any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental"

Sounds like a doonerboy retort.

Yes, torture has been redefined over the last decade.

#48 | Posted by MSgt

Japs were hung for waterboarding GIs in WW2.

Sounds like a doonerboy retort.

#81 | Posted by crispee_oc

I can imagine how it must be painful for you when you are continually being bombarded with the harsh truth of the reality of life on the REAL planet Earth.

Japs were hung for waterboarding GIs in WW2.

#82 | Posted by northguy3 at 2011-11-15 08:48 PM | Reply | Flag

GI's wore uniforms

For the purpose of this Declaration, torture is defined as the deliberate, systematic or wanton infliction of physical or mental suffering by one or more persons acting alone or on the orders of any authority, to force another person to yield information, to make a confession, or for any other reason.

#76 | Posted by donnerboy

If you buy that, answer this question.

My squad captures a couple of sheet heads that have been digging along side the road in Iraq. Several of my men are pointing rifles at the cammel drivers and I ask them where they planted the other IEDs.

Is that torutre? It would be by the definition you posted.

Having Barak Obama as POTUS is real torture.

During the Korean War our guys were tortured by the N. Koreans (Chinese). They were not tortured to get military information as it was well known that any information obtained with torture is useless. They used torture to gain propaganda value not for information. We (Marines) underwent training on how to handle torture. During one session a guy told the sarge "we should get them and torture them". The sarge replied "...we are US Marines, we do not torture, we don't sink to the level of scum"