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Thursday, May 26, 2011

"There is no way for Republicans to spin away Democrat Kathy Hochul's victory in New York's deeply red 26th congressional district," writes E.J. Dionne Jr. "This is a big setback for Paul Ryan's budget and a warning for Republican incumbents everywhere. This is simply not a district a Republican should have lost. Conservative overreach has clearly woken up Democrats and has gone down badly with independents."

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I bet Agent Orange-Glo Boner is extra weepy this morning.

Ryan's eyes seem to be abnormally large, as if he were recently a catfish, or something. Just saying.

Ryan's eyes seem to be abnormally large, as if he recently swallowed a catfish, or something. Just saying.

#2 | Posted by Zed

There. FIFY

Thanks Ryan!

Aw, shit.

I forgot that this special election would let Repubs know which way the winds were blowing for '12.

I wanted it to be a big surprise.

Shouldn't the headline also have "Dems thankful Obama didn't campaign for Hochul" as well?

Meanwhile, the Rethug brownshirt Walker marches on, mandating voter ID legislation, closing public financing laws and budgets, redistricting, eliminating students from voter rolls,moving swiftly to undermine Democracy as much as possible. This well organized campaign is in full swing nationwide. In Michigan, for example, the Rethug Governor has invoked emergency powers to evict locally elected officials and rinstall like minded unelected Rethugs.

Like Wall Street fraudsters, these radicalized Rethuglicans belong in prison for treason.

Until we move away from a two party system, this country is doomed to fail.

I give Ryan credit. At least he has the balls to start the conversation on what needs to be done on Medicare. EJ Dionne & the Dems are still jerking off because the Dems won an election where a Tea Party candidate syphoned off 9% of the vote from the GOP candidate.

Even Bill Clinton admires Ryan for having the balls to find solutions.

blogs.abcnews.com

When will we see a plan from the Senate Dems? Keep asking until they produce one. Make them tell America what their vision is.

I forgot that this special election would let Repubs know which way the winds were blowing for '12.

I wanted it to be a big surprise.

A big surprise that all you libtards are a bunch of free loading, tax and spend, I got mine now you can't have yours... a-holes? All the while you're running the wheels of the Medicare gravy train as everyone else is paying for yet another mile of budget deficit tracks?

That's no surprise to anyone except maybe you.

The bartender says to cut you off.

A big surprise that all you libtards are a bunch of free loading, tax and spend

Posted by tkrammer82

Wow. I guess this election really did hurt you.

Ryan wasn't interested in solving a problem. He saw an opportunity to advance a particular ideology. The people want both sides to hold hands on a plan. They don't want your bullying.

WOW, you libtards are either blind or stupid, probably stupid.. Medicare is bankrupt, the country is 14.3 TRILLION in debt. I know mosy of you probably cant imagine how much money that is because youhave been on welfare your whole lives but for those of us that actual fund these BS programs it is A LOT of money...

Ryan is trying to fix the economic woes of this country. The American people need to get off the public TIT and start planning for themselves instead EXPECTING others to do it for them.

Ryan is trying to fix the economic woes of this country

14 | Posted by armyof1

He's just a radical who mistook the mood of the nation.

REALLY a radical... wow, what reality ar eyou living in. He is the only person in DC that is HAS put a plan together to try and fix the countries problems.

I guess since he doesn't conform to the status quo and actually is willing to make the hard decision he is a radical huh. You libs need to get out of your "LEAN FORWARD" socialist mentality and realize that the real world can't function in that reality...

I'm sorry, you lost the "reality" card with your interesting idea that none of us work. We all do out here, very hard, thank-you.

Ryan created an ideological budget. The available evidence is that it will never be approved. Y'all may as well come down to earth and compromise on taxes, you're not going anywhere otherwise.

Again, you are living in a fantasy world Zed... TAX TAX TAX will not solve the problems. there is ONLY so much money that can be taken. If you work so HARD why are you not outraged over the BS spending of this government!!!

Are fine with taking your HARD WORK and paying money so that some dont have to work?

He created a budget that will START to reduce the debt, NO its not perfect but for the DEMs to sit out there and just cry about it, refuse to debate it, and then ONLY vote on it AFTER they have SCARED THE SHIT out of seniors with twisted facts and half truths, is a bunch of BS.

HERE is a CLUE --- WE ARE BROKE!!! Everyone should have to pay taxes and contribute but thatnks to our, I need votes, tax code 47% of this country either dont pay anything or get back more than they sent to the government. We need to BURN the 093284709248092894728374892374
809287309428309 page tax code and make it simple... If you make this much you pay X%, this much y%, everyone else pays Z%. that way EVERYONE has skin in the game, everyone contributes and there are NO MORE FREELOADERS!!!

All this additional programs, planed parenthood, free clinics, Community organizing groups need to switch to charitable orgs not to be funded by the government. If they are truly viable and needed then they will be donated to. the american people are the most charitable in the world.

There's nothing wrong with asking the rich to share the load. They've done very well for themselves over the last ten years. I'm not at all sure why this is even arguable.

you libtards are either blind or stupid, probably stupid.. Medicare is bankrupt, the country is 14.3 TRILLION in debt.

Most of which belongs to the deficits don't matter GOPpers. And, of course, the trillion Boner borrowed to pay for Paris Hilton's tax cuts.

Even conservatives slam Ryan for his half-baked budget:
For all the boldness of Rep. Paul Ryan's proposal to reduce projected federal expenditures by $6 trillion, an initiative that I support, the Pentagon's budget emerges essentially unscathed in Ryan's plan. This is a mistake on both fiscal and strategic grounds. Significant cuts in military spending must be on the table as the nation struggles to close its fiscal gap without saddling individuals and businesses with burdensome taxes and future generations with debt.

"Fiscal hawks such as Ryan are not serious if they cannot see massive waste and inefficiency in the Pentagon. Robert Gates' ballyhooed reforms barely scratch the surface of the problem. Mismanagement of major weapons programs is rampant; cost overruns are the norm. A meaningful cap on future defense expenditures will force the Pentagon to seriously confront these inefficiencies, and might also precipitate some useful competition between the services on who is best positioned to keep the country safe and secure."
www.cato-at-liberty.org

ASKING THE RICH to Share the load??????

Do you realize that the top 1% of income earners in this country pays over 40% of the total tax revenue!!!

HOW much more SHARE should they pay!!! Shouldn't the 47% that dont pay have to give their share as well!!!!!

Again you are living in a fantasy, LIBTARD talking points world.

SERIOUSLY. how much should the "RICH" have to pay!!! What % should they pay so that 47% dont. how is that equal protection. How is that FAIR!!

NG3, 5 republicans, hardly a majority... and as i stated the RYAN plan isnt perfect at least the republicans are looking for a solution!!! the Dems dont have a plan, they have a Spend this country into oblivian design.

Tell you what----Let's just have the rich spend as much in taxes as they did ten years ago.

It will not be the case that any of them go hungry, trust me. And I'm afraid that it WILL help solve a few budgetary issues.

Why doesn't anyone mention that obama care has already gutted medicare? I guess the republicans are the only ones that take the fall for EVERYTHING?

ZED -- reality calling ZED!!! they were paying more than they should of then. The DUMBCRATS think they have the RIGHT to STEAL peoples hard earned money. YES I said steal. the "RICH" already pay their FAIR SHARE!!!

SERIOUSLY. stop the BS spending, the BS entitlements, that BTW are NOT Constitutional!! And dont give me the SUPREME COURT SAID Social Security is legal BS. they also said Slavery was legal. and that got overturned!! the Supreme Court can be wrong!

We have become a nation of what can you do for me instead of what can I do for myself. People need to take responsibility, do what is right for their futures and not for the present, get off teh PUBLIC TIT, and take care of themselves. Then and only then will reclaim our stature in the world.. Then and only then will be the beacon of hope for the world.

YES I said steal

25 | Posted by armyof1 at

Taxes are stealing?

ZED -- reality calling ZED!

"...this number has been disconnected..."

Yes, ARMY, I know it's tough to be asked a direct question. Take all the time you need, you independent fella you.

And The Snipe crawls out of the woodwork to defend the lone Army Of One (one what???) in its gibberish, its virtually incomprehensible assault at a system which, despite GOP hysteria, still pay minimal lip service to the less privileged. I'd prefer a balanced budget with no national debt too. But I'd balance it, and pay down those trillions - by eliminating pointless wars and taxing those who can most afford to live in our land. herm

And The Snipe crawls out of the woodwork to defend the lone Army Of One (one what???) in its gibberish, its virtually incomprehensible assault at a system which, despite GOP hysteria, still pay minimal lip service to the less privileged. I'd prefer a balanced budget with no national debt too. But I'd balance it, and pay down those trillions - by eliminating pointless wars and taxing those who can most afford to live in our land. herm

YES STEAL. they take the money using the threat of force. Its called the IRS and IRS Agents!!!

i know taxing is legal, so dont even start down that BS road and deflect. I am simply stating that the government takes TOO much money from those that DO.. and gives it under the umbrella of AID/ASSISTANCE to those the DONT or WONT!! All this process does is BUY votes for the DEMs, it keeps people from pulling themselves up because the become dependent on the federal TIT. People have become so dependent that the safest job in the worst area of St. Louis is the postman. WHY!!! because they bring the DAMN WELFARE CHECKS!!!!

It is time for the people of this nation to say ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!

Its time for a true leader to run this country not these morons that are on both sides of the isles in DC!!!

YES STEAL. they take the money using the threat of force

31 | Posted by armyof1

No one likes taxes, least of all me.

But try paying for a carrier task force out of donations. You might find the experience instructive.

- taxing those who can most afford to live in our land. herm

Those would be the ones that have seen huge increase of their incomes for the last 40 years while middle class workers have lost ground.

One has to wonder if Army of 1 is some rich guy who doesn't want to pay more taxes or some poor stupid SOB who has been brainwashed into proxy voting for them.

I'm going to go with the latter.

and taxing those who can most afford to live in our land. herm

#29 | Posted by herm

Taxing them because they have been successful, thats really intelligent!!! Where is the incentive then to succeed if the outcome is higher taxes and less moneyu foryour extra effort?

What's really bugging you, ARMY, though I doubt you realize it, is that you live in a State. I'm not at all sure what you could do about that.

Taxing them because they have been successful, thats really intelligent!!!

34 | Posted by armyof1

Um, so are we currently taxing the unsuccessful?

while middle class workers have lost ground

#33 | Posted by Corky

Actually Im one of the Lower class kids that worked his way up to upper middle class by serving in the military, getting my college degrees and WORKING HARD!!! Thanks for asking!!!

getting my college degrees and WORKING HARD!!!

| Posted by armyof1

Um, go to a public university?

Um, so are we currently taxing the unsuccessful?

#36 | Posted by Zed

What!!! Seriously are you that ignorant that you dont understand what I was saying.. ok for the 2 yr olds here.

Taxing someone at a greater rate becasue they have worked hard and EARNED the income level that they make is not a way to increase success.

It breeds contempt. It hurts the economy, it hurts the country. why should I work hard if I have to give more to the government. Where is the incetive!!

#37

Thanks for confirming it is the latter.

You do understand, I hope, that some Americans work just as hard as you, but due to illness or layoffs or other circumstances sometimes need to depend on the pooled resources of themselves and their fellow Americans, just like we all do for roads and highways, and police and EMT and fire and the military ad infinitum?

Um, go to a public university?

#38 | Posted by Zed

And that has WHAT to do with the price of tea in China!!!

"Where is the incentive then to succeed if the outcome is higher taxes and less moneyu foryour extra effort?"
Posted by armyof1

If you have something truly unique to share then the incentive should be found in your work ethic even when returns on your efforts begin to diminish. If your efforts can easily be matched by just about anyone with similar skills, then I guess you're right, there is no incentive. Considering the unemployment situation, I'm sure there are plenty of people out there willing to take up your slack.

Yes, Zed, don't you get it?

What we need here is a Ryan Age War, pitting 56 year olds who will be able to get out of the social contract what they put into it, and 54 year olds who will get a voucher that won't pay for their health care.

I guess 55 year olds can just shoot themselves now.

Um, go to a public university?
#38 | Posted by Zed

And that has WHAT to do with the price of tea in China!!!
#41 | Posted by armyof1

Nothing to do with the price of tea in China, but it's interesting you're afraid to answer the question.

just like we all do for roads and highways, and police and EMT and fire and the military ad infinitum?

#40 | Posted by Corky

Anytime Corkey, you keep thinking im a stupid SOB.. Ill keep paying my taxes so people like you can suck the public tit, run this counrty into the dirt and collapse this great nation!!

Yes, Public college. It was All I could afford, with Student loans, working two jobs while I went to school. i dont have any problem answering the question.

I paid for my college out of my pocket!!! No grants, no freebies...

I'm just glad you got that 6th grade edumacation.

But keep on fighting for The Man, one day He'll do you a good turn... as if.

the MAN!! too funny, you are an idiot corky, go back to your crack pipe, your welfare check, and your sucking on the public tit. You can rest assured that even though we DONT like it, there will always be those of us out there that work hard so that people like your sorry ass dont have to...

#48 |

Tootsie, my company pays more taxes in month than you do in a year.

I just know that I am lucky and you don't know that about yourself. You think you are one dangerous capitalist MF'er.

"47% of this country either dont pay anything or get back more than they sent to the government."

I'm sorry someone was foolish enough to tell you that, but it's not true at all. You're only counting income tax, and that's less than half the government's revenue. That percentage (47%) is also slated to drop precipitously over the next three years. Do you know why?

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2011-05-26 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag: 55 years old

You think you are one dangerous capitalist MF'er.
#49 | Posted by Corky at 2011-05-26 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag: Ruthless

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The only solution to the $15 trillion national debt ( and still climbing ) is to tax the rich! Bring the rates back up to 90% like it was after World War II.

Get the bloodsuckers off of Social Security and use it like was intended--a retirement for those who put money into it for over 20 years. It should not be a grab bag for orphans, the disabled, and farmers.

Tax the rich for Social Security on every paycheck like they do the poor oppressed workers.

Stop giving billions of dollars to foreign countries like Israel, Egypt, Pakistan, and other countries. The USA elite is overly free with USA tax dollars. And now the Republicans actually have the gall to use it as a case for modifying Social Security.

1ARMY,

The same Orwellian douchebags that are beholding to the military industrial complex, that don't give one hoot about the deficit when they can go to war or bailout Wall Street to the tune of $13 trillion have seized on the deficit issue as a means for attacking medicare and social security?

Greenspan told Congress that the national debt is inconsequential in the past. But today he is very concerned. A change in administrations in the White House has triggered a well organized deficit camapign. The Clinton's and Obama are in the same camp. Remember Obama appointed Simpson of all people. No thinking person should take them seriously.

Where does all the money come from during wartime? There is plenty of money. All Greenspan or Bernanke ever do is push a key on their computer. They just want to keep it all for themselves. Its class warfare and you fall for it.

Anytime Corkey, you keep thinking im a stupid SOB.. Ill keep paying my taxes so people like you can suck the public tit, run this counrty into the dirt and collapse this great nation!!

#45 | Posted by armyof1

Grow up Army1 and use that education you are supposedly getting. (student loans? are you really that brainwashed? who gave those to you? The Rich?)

you are one stupid MFer of you think the rich needed those tax cut extensions.

You are one stupid MFer if you think big Oil needs those billion dollar tax subsidies more than the elderly needs Medicare and social security.

We need to cut spending as well as get rid of corporate welfare.

Ryan was an Idealogue who misjudged the mood of the country just like you.

But we don't need the elderly and poor to tighten their belts while the banks and big oil and defense industries laugh all the way to the bank with our money.

As Zed said we need Congress to work together and "The people want both sides to hold hands on a plan. They don't want your bullying."

Yes, Public college. It was All I could afford, with Student loans, working two jobs while I went to school. i dont have any problem answering the question.

I paid for my college out of my pocket!!! No grants, no freebies...

#46 | Posted by armyof1 at 2011-05-26 12:59 PM | Reply |

I genuinely respect people who work their way through school.

But, given you attended a public university, the fact you were able to do that depended upon the subsidies of persons such as myself. Its the contribution of people like me that make schools like that affordable to people like you. But you know that.

There are people out there who'd take the option you enjoyed away from your own children, should you be fortunate to have some. These are the people you're carrying water for.

Ryan can take credit for the House flipping back Dem in 2012.

Only 26 seats need to flip. I'd bet that'll be a cinch in a Presidential election year when most voters will be fully aware of - some for the first time - the GOP's ongoing plan to dismantle the middle class so they can continue to hand off tax cuts to fat cats and corporations.

The House GOP thought they got a 'mandate' in an off election year. Ha ha ha ha

Taxing them because they have been successful, thats really intelligent!!!

34 | Posted by armyof1

I'm assuming that you are fully in favor of inheritance taxes, then. Unless not dripping down your mother's leg is a sign of success.

As much as I dislike the GOP, I give them full marks for actually addressing our unsustainable debt AND the drivers of that debt: Medicare/Medicaid.

They are actually showing leadership by touching the supposed '3rd rail'. On my way home from work this morning I heard a brief exchange between Pres. Clinton and Ryan regarding Medicare's trajectory. The former president was despondent that his party is obfuscating the facts for political gain.

The GOP appears poised to follow Ryan's lead and it may well cost them. If it does, and in a decade from now we are having austerity riots that make Greece's look tame, we will have the Dems solely to blame.

Man, what a shitty party the Dems are. A bunch of cynical cowards.

The Democratic approach is mostly imbedded in the broader health care reforms enacted last year. The Republicans' approach - including a call to repeal reform and ultimately privatize Medicare - was fashioned by Representative Paul Ryan and adopted by the House.

Here are some of the most significant elements:

FOR BENEFICIARIES, OR THOSE WHO WILL SOON BE During last year's Congressional campaign, Republican leaders claimed to be Medicare's stalwart defenders - conveniently ignoring their historical animosity toward the program. Older voters overlooked that history and flocked to the party in large numbers. Now the Republicans have embraced many of reform's changes for Medicare - without, of course, advertising their flip-flop.

One of the biggest differences, under both parties' plans, would be a large reduction of unjustified subsidies to private Medicare Advantage plans that serve 11 million of Medicare's 46 million enrollees. Last year, those plans were paid 9 percent more per enrollee, on average, for coverage comparable to what traditional Medicare would provide. By eliminating most of the subsidies, the Democrats hope to save $136 billion over 10 years. The Republicans plan to cut only $10 billion less.

The Republicans have also embraced health care reform's necessary plan to slow the growth rate of payments to health care providers, which was expected to save hundreds of billions over the next decade.

House Republicans would make another deep cut - definitely not in the Democrats' plan - that would hit many current and future Medicare users hard. The reform law provides subsidies to help close a gap in prescription drug coverage, known as the doughnut hole, that poses a hardship for millions of patients who need lots of medicine and often cannot afford to pay for it. The Republicans would repeal that subsidy.

Perhaps most significant, the two parties have very different approaches to what they would do with their savings. The Democrats would use the savings to extend coverage to tens of millions of uninsured Americans, a goal we heartily endorse. The Republicans say only that they would use the money in some way to bolster the solvency of Medicare. That is not good enough.

What is clear is that House Republicans are determined to repeal reform's strongest cost-control measure: an independent board that would monitor whether Medicare is on track to meet spending targets and, if not, propose further reductions that Congress would have to accept or replace with comparable savings.

We were skeptical when the Republicans suddenly claimed to be Medicare's great defenders. We are even more skeptical now that we have read their plan. We are also certain that repealing reform - the Republicans' No. 1 goal - would do enormous damage to all Americans and make it even harder to wrestle down health care costs, the best way to deal with the country's long-term fiscal crisis.


www.nytimes.com

Man, what a shitty party the Dems are. A bunch of cynical cowards.

#59 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Congratulations to your first honest posting.


Man, what a shitty party the Dems are. A bunch of cynical cowards.

#59 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Congratulations to your first honest posting.

#61 | Posted by fribo

Congratulations to you as well.

I detected the underlying swipe but I was too busy laughing at the self-deprecating humor that you directed toward me - I was the butt of the joke and I found it funny.

That was seriously funny.

I saw the vid clip, Jeffy.

Bubba was trying to get Ryan to come down out of the right wing stratosphere long enough to breath some fresh air.

What he was saying is that he hoped Dems didn't use Ryan's obvious non-starter with the American people just to win back the House and then fix Medicare their way later, but would negotiate now instead.... while the GOP is still stinging from their gross miscalculation.

Instead of looking for a republican to thank the dems should start acting more like real democrats. America needs a vision for the future. Democrats need to be more than just the party that cleans up republican messes.

Democrats need to be more than just the party that cleans up republican messes.

After the last three decades, there's hardly time to do anything else.

Democrats need to be more than just the party that cleans up republican messes.

Or conversely Republicans need to be more than just the party that makes messes that need to be cleaned up.

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The bourgeois Republicans took $15 trillion from the USA taxpayer and spent it on who? The capitalist rich?

I don't see where the poor oppressed workers in the USA got any benefits out of it. All they got were more oppressive working conditions--outsourcing, union busting, multitasking, productivity increases, mass layoffs, housing crisis, and commodity price increases to name but a few.

Whenever I think of what Bush and the Republicans did to the USA workers, I could just spit!

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