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Monday, April 11, 2011

By the end of the 10-year budget window, Paul Ryan's House GOP budget plan would increase the public debt, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The spending cuts Republicans would realize in the first 10 years would be outpaced by deficit increasing tax cuts in the plan, the CBO found.

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Take money away from the old and poor and give it directly to the wealthy in tax cuts?

How many times do Ryan and the GOP have to squeeze out this particularly noxious turd and have the American people turn up their collective noses at it before they get off the pot?

GOP Budget Increases Debt "So what?"

Hurts Medicare Patients "SCORE!!!"

Neocon response to Ryan Plan

How many times do Ryan and the GOP have to squeeze out this particularly noxious turd and have the American people turn up their collective noses at it before they get off the pot?

They are one-trick ponies... pimping tax cuts for their donors while calling it "savings" while destroying programs that help the poor and will continue to do so as long as their donors have the $$$ to keep them going back.

GOP Budget Increases Debt "So what?"
Hurts Medicare Patients "SCORE!!!"

So it was the GOP that proposed cutting Medicare by $500 Billion and to tax people 10 years for 6 years of service. And it was the GOP that ran up a $5 Trillion debt in two years to 'stimulate' and economy that received no stimulation.

But I do agree with 726. Fuck the poor. I am tired of them running around with their government checks, $500 iphones, $200 Nikes, smoking $10 packs of cigs every day, collecting federal money borrowed from China or making $40k annually by holding out bullshit signs that say 'will work for food'.

The stats from the government's own Census Bureau - Obama's Census Bureau are as follows:

39,000,000 people live below the poverty line.
41% of them own their own homes.
750,000 own homes worth more than $150,000.
200,000 own homes worth more than $200,000.
7.5% of 'poor' homes are over crowded. 60% have 2+ rooms per person.
The average 'poor' American has 33% more space than the AVERAGE Japanese person.
70% of poor people own a car.
20% own 2 or more cars.
97% of poor people have TVs.
75% own a VCR/DVD players.
65% own a microwave oven.
66% of poor people have Air Conditioning.
50% of poor women are overweight.
Poor people are more likley to be overweight than middle class people.

The left wants you to think that 'poor' in America is the same as 'poor' in India, or China, or Africa. America has the richest fucking poor people in the world. And guess what, they all vote Democrat. So who has a vested interest in keeping poor people poor forever?

Wow...so we finally have a chance where the minority party can ignore the CBO. Bout time we had equality. I am bored with the party in power (either party) ignoring their findings.

Rockwell has an article today comparing this budget battle to two little kids fighting over toys. Only one problem, all the toys belong to someone else.

mises.org

Ryan's plan is draconian. If they couldn't even caveat it enough to look good to the CBO, it much a real mess. Hell, they were even able to make the Obamacare numbers look good, but can't make ryan's budget look good????? That's sad.

"By one authoritative estimate, they'd be on the hook for most of their own health care costs after they become eligible for Medicare as retirees. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says the typical beneficiary would be expected to pay more than two-thirds of his or her medical costs by the year 2030.

Costs wouldn't come down; they'd just get shifted.

'It's a political nonstarter," said health care consultant Robert Laszewski, a former insurance executive and strong critic of Obama's overhaul. "It kills Medicare as we know it, and that is simply too popular a program among seniors and their children."

Cue the Democratic political ads for the 2012 campaign."

www.drudge.com

Ryan's plan is draconian...

#6 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESHEPERD AT 2011-04-11 02:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

In plain English, "the gradually increasing number of Medicare beneficiaries participating in the new premium support program [the GOP's Medicare privatization plan] would bear a much larger share of their health care costs than they would under the current program."

Amazing breaking news! Medicare is broke! Obama to inform public Wednesday night!

In a speech Wednesday, Mr. Obama will propose cuts to entitlement programs, including Medicare and Medicaid, and changes to Social Security, a discussion he has largely left to Democrats and Republicans in Congress

online.wsj.com

#7 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2011-04-11 02:55 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

See post #8 for your idiot test.

The new REpublican Medicare plan makes it conveneint for you to sign over your social security check to the insurance company, they just use direct deposit in their account.

That saves valuable time so seniors can get back to work as greeters at Walmart.

Oh, by draconian, I mean that it doesn't balance any budget until 2040.

It doesn't stop the growth of leviathan, it merely makes it slightly less. It does nothing to end foreign wars of agression, imperialism, doesn't cut one single solitary useless agency... Its a cruel joke on the masses to which the R's cater.

#10 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2011-04-11 03:22 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Yeah, paying for stuff you are used to getting for $.10 on the dollar will be a hard adjustment. Even if those that would be impacted have 10 years to get ready.

BTW, what's up with this? Is Obama trying to scare takes the SS away?

In a speech Wednesday, Mr. Obama will propose cuts to entitlement programs, including Medicare and Medicaid, and changes to Social Security, a discussion he has largely left to Democrats and Republicans in Congress

Oh, I almost forgot. You are a partisan idiot.

It does nothing to end foreign wars of agression, imperialism, doesn't cut one single solitary useless agency... Its a cruel joke on the masses to which the R's cater.

#12 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESHEPERD AT 2011-04-11 03:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

4 years of democratic control of the congress, 2 years democrat in WH and nothing has changed in any of these areas. Hopey Changey!

Are you really as big an idiot as you appear?

must be my DR title...maybe Rcade can fix it?:>)

MONDAY, APRIL 11, 2011
Trillion $ War Machine Spree > General Funds of 50 states!

Sunday, April 10, 2011
Pentagon's Trillion Dollar Spending Spree Exceeds the General Funds of All 50 U.S. States Combined
Cuts in Pentagon Spending Possible, Authorities Say
by Sherwood Ross
Americans can begin to hope that the current recession, coupled with the politics of debt reduction in Washington, may yet result in cuts in that runaway Pentagon budget, The Nation magazine says in its April 11th issue

www.drudge.com

#12 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESHEPERD AT 2011-04-11 03:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

4 years of democratic control of the congress, 2 years democrat in WH and nothing has changed in any of these areas. Hopey Changey!

Are you really as big an idiot as you appear?

Posted by YouHateMe at 2011-04-11 03:42 PM | Reply

Ummm, you are assigning me a position, which I do not hold. I would've been much happier if he defunded all government agencies beginning with a letter.

I come from the position of smaller, liberty oriented government. Not the same government, just growing slightly slower, which is all that Ryan's budget does.

Besides, how many budgetary programs do you know from 1982 that are still around? A balanced budget by 2040 is a cruel joke.

I am all for cutting the Penatagon 10%--right off the bat--tomorrow!

I am tired of them running around with their government checks, $500 iphones, $200 Nikes,

Way to resurrect the debunked mythical Cadillac welfare queen.

Dude I got $50 that say if you ever saw an inner city poor person you would shit your pants.

I am all for cutting the Penatagon 10%--right off the bat--tomorrow!

Make it 25%, and start closing bases in states where they oppose "big government", like Oklahoma.

That jaundiced view of the federal government is common here, local leaders say, even though the region's surging economy is built to a large degree on a foundation of federal spending.

About 7 percent of the area's workers are federal employees, more than double the U.S. average, according to a Washington Post analysis. Meanwhile, federal spending on roads, a huge Federal Aviation Administration center and a sprawling Air Force base not only keeps more than 20,000 civilians employed but also is helping to nurture entire sectors of the area's increasingly prosperous and diverse economy.

Overall, the state gets back $1.35 for every dollar its residents and businesses pay in federal taxes, according to the Tax Foundation, a nonpartisan tax research group. That's the 15th most generous return among the 50 states.

"On one hand, you have this fairly heavy concentration of federal employees and spending here," said Cindy Rosenthal, a University of Oklahoma political scientist and mayor of nearby Norman. "On the other hand, there is a lot of sentiment that the federal government is too large, too intrusive and probably too wasteful."
primary.washingtonpost.com
( I'm guessing he means only in other states).

GOP budget plan would increase the public debt, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office

This from the same people that said obamacare would reduce the debt. WTF.

The left wants you to think that 'poor' in America is the same as 'poor' in India, or China, or Africa. America has the richest fucking poor people in the world. And guess what, they all vote Democrat. So who has a vested interest in keeping poor people poor forever?

#4 | POSTED BY DR_DUDE2

Actually, most are Republicans. Because of the way "poor" was determined in the census, a significant number live outside of urban areas.

-The spending cuts Republicans would realize in the first 10 years would be outpaced by deficit increasing tax cuts in the plan, the CBO found.

deficit increasing tax cuts

Yes, Virginia, even though Republicans say not, there are such things as deficit increasing tax cuts. The Bush Tax Cuts increased the deficit, as did his war.

The Ryan tax cuts, paid for by taking medical care away from seniors, does the same.

Even if you LIKE Voodoo Tinkling Down on you, it's not good for anyone but those doing the tinkling.

By one authoritative estimate, they'd be on the hook for most of their own health care costs after they become eligible for Medicare as retirees.

You gotta just luv that Republican Health Care "Plan" for our senior citizens.

So they really do plan to balance the budget on the backs of the old and the sick and the poor.

Yeah...you sure you wanna stick with that "Plan" Nopers?

2012 is right around the corner.

Everybody wants government spending stopped or slowed, except for the gov't spending of which they are a recipient. That includes the democratic spending as well as the repub spending.

But, I simply do not understand why no one can see that elephant in the room. And it's not just a big elephant, it is a giant fucking elephant. That elephant is pentagon spending. No one can even whisper the words 'reduce pentagon spending' in the halls of congress.

And the partisans attack and criticise each other because they can't figure out what to do with the crumbs from the big feast, which btw, they were not part of.

Lip's right...

However, even if we raise taxes and hit Clinton's exceptional 20% of GDP, that is only 2.8T. Last budget was 3.6T. We would still be .8T behind the curve. Hell, even before the Reagan tax cuts, we still maxed out at 20-21% of GDP.

We really need to end these imperialistic wars of aggression. Arguing about a few hundred million in Planned Parenthood is merely a distraction from the obvious that nothing was done.

These two parties are like two children arguing that they want to take each others toys, and at the end of the day both gets to keep their respective toy. Only one problem, we're required to pay for both toys.

Even if you LIKE Voodoo Tinkling Down on you, it's not good for anyone but those doing the tinkling.

Posted by Corky at 2011-04-11 08:04 PM | Reply

"Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining"

The Duke

Republicans hate the poor almost as much as they hate clean air and water.

#4 | POSTED BY DR_DUDE2 AT 2011-04-11 02:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG: TYPICAL DUMBSHIT REPUBLICLOWN APOLOGIST WHO THINKS THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE STARTED WITH OBAMA

No matter how you paint it... your numbers are what it will take to address the trickle down effect of the Republiclown predecessor... you know the one that took the advice of a cab driver.

Your team has no credibility.

Now we are either the richest nation earth and can meet our economic situation or we are what republiclowns want you to believe teetering on the brink of disaster...

fucking... doom gloom hand wringing... liars.

The left wants you to think that 'poor' in America is the same as 'poor' in India, or China, or Africa. America has the richest fucking poor people in the world. And guess what, they all vote Democrat. So who has a vested interest in keeping poor people poor forever?

the lying sacks of shit on the right want you to believe the richest nation on earth can't meet it's obligations on all fronts...so fuck you.

39,000,000 people live below the poverty line.
41% of them own their own homes.
750,000 own homes worth more than $150,000.
200,000 own homes worth more than $200,000.
7.5% of 'poor' homes are over crowded. 60% have 2+ rooms per person.
The average 'poor' American has 33% more space than the AVERAGE Japanese person.
70% of poor people own a car.
20% own 2 or more cars.
97% of poor people have TVs.
75% own a VCR/DVD players.
65% own a microwave oven.
66% of poor people have Air Conditioning.
50% of poor women are overweight.
Poor people are more likley to be overweight than middle class people.

Lets see I'm below the poverty line.

Own home - check
home over 150k - check
home over 200k - depends on who's counting but acording to property taxes check
more than 2 rooms per person - check if you count bathrooms
own car - check 1998 ford contour
own 2 cars - check 2000 Mazda MPV
vcr/dvd - check
mircrowave - check
AC - in the south damn skippy check
overweight - uncheck
more likely to be overweight - well if my wife was not a stay at home mom yeah the crap i could afford and have time to make i probably would be fat but maybe not what with working 20 hours a week in a physicaly demanding job the other 40 are sitting at a desk though so who knows. Then again if she wasn't a stay at home mom we wouldn't be below the poverty line.

However none of your money pays for my luxuries thats paid for by hard work and a decent inheritance. I might be a republican if not for the dumbass sterotyping of poor people.

You're such a tool! Do you even know what Draconian means or did you pick that up from the left wing talking points memo?

Not the richest anymore thanks to the Dems buying votes every election cycle. Get a friggin job like most of us do!

#32 - stop whining and work for it.

Check the CBO's original projections on social security, medicare.....They are only off 10 fold. The CBO is nothing more than a group of political hacks. Thats all, I'm right. If you argue with me, check history & I'll take your apology letters tomorrow. By the way, has anyone seen if MOOCHER danni answered my question of how many others rely on her for their livelihood? Didn't think so. She can run (like all liberal MOOCHERS) but she can't hide.

"However, even if we raise taxes and hit Clinton's exceptional 20% of GDP, that is only 2.8T."

You assume that growth won't return as it did under Clinton. The growth of the economy is what raises revenue and balances the budget. And please don't call me crazy for suggesting it and then turn around and support Ryan's plan which assumes that we'll reach a 2.5% unemployment rate which I do not think we have ever managed since the end of WWII. There is also no reason why some cutting of the budget can't be done but it doesn't have to be SS or Medicare, it could just as easily be the Defense Budget.

The growth of the economy is what raises revenue and balances the budget

Sure. But spending cuts can ALSO balance THE LARGEST BUDGET in US history.

How about some fiscal responsibility right here and now? And don't give me your Bush did this or that crap because I wasn't a fan of his spending either.

Obama SHOULD take charge and cut spending 10-15% across the board.

How about some fiscal responsibility right here and now? And don't give me your Bush did this or that crap because I wasn't a fan of his spending either.

Obama SHOULD take charge and cut spending 10-15% across the board.

He won't do it. He doesn't have to. Look at all of the loser apologists he has just on this board alone.

Too many people have been living for too many generations off the tit of the government to get off their lazy loser asses and pay their own way. The American safety net has become a fucking hammock and they want to pad it with velvet despite the fact that the debt is so large that it will never be paid down.

Perhaps the way to go is to just say fuck it. Let the rest of the world stop buying up the debt. Let the dollar go to shit, which means oil goes to $10 per gallon and the unemployment rate rockets to depression levels of 30-40%. Its the 'poor' and the liberal leeches who are going to suffer most.

The reason this amendment is deeply stupid and totally insane is because it actually makes it HARDER to balance the budget.
Because you can not raise taxes in order to pay for things that you need unless you're able to round up a super-majority to vote for a tax increase.

So you're then forced to cut services in order to comply with the law -- and those cuts will almost always fall squarely on the backs of those who need those services the most. In other words, the poor.
And there's a perfect template for just how asinine this sort of idea is by simply looking at the state of California where a similarly insane law requiring a super-majority in the legislature to raise taxes has been in effect for years and is pretty much responsible for that state being bankrupt and generally ungovernable.

Then there's this little beauty that the republicans have hidden in their RYAN idiotic balanced budget amendment that says, "No court of the United States or of any State shall order any increase in revenue to enforce this article."

OK, now think about that for a moment please.

Because what that's saying -- in the context of a constitutional balanced budget amendment is . . . well, why don't we let Ezra Klein explain it,

"If you have a constitutional amendment that says the budget needs to be balanced and you don't balance the budget, the courts get involved to make sure Congress is carrying out its constitutional duties. And if you write into the Constitution that the courts cannot tell Congress to raise taxes, then what you're saying is that the courts have to tell Congress to cut spending. So when Congress doesn't balance the budget -- and it won't, because it can't balance the budget now and this amendment would make that harder -- the courts will order spending cuts. It takes judicial activism to dizzying new heights. But that's par for the course with the Worst Policy Idea in Washington."

And FYI -- had the republican's amendment as currently proposed been the law of the land during the Reagan and Bush II administrations then every single year of their presidencies would have been deemed unconstitutional.

Oh, and while they're busy amending our Constitution so that America becomes even more ungovernable than Libya, the republicans also want to privatize Medicare so that seniors receive vouchers that will let them buy insurance on the open market.

Of course, the voucher plan has built into it an immediate cap on the amount each senior is allowed so that it makes it virtually impossible for a person seeking health insurance to actually AFFORD any of the currently available health insurance.

Anyone "serious" enough who thinks you can give vouchers to old people so that they can buy awesome insurance on the open market is someone who should never be listened to about anything ever again.

It is really surprising that there's a single person in America willing to publicly self-identify as a republican when the fact of the matter is that the GOP has become nothing more than a political party for inept simpletons.

And of course it will always be a home for those for whom greed and selfishness are their defining character traits.
It's truly amazing.

In fact, for me at least, the republican party has become the dead rat on America's kitchen floor -- something that to any normal person would be a sight truly disgusting to behold. And yet, for some reason I can't take my eyes off of it and am constantly fascinated by both it and the people who infest it and who clearly take pride in being part of it.

I mean really now!

Think about it !!!

How is it that any self respecting human being, who's also a republican and having just read the description of the GOP's balanced budget amendment can not feel anything but abject shame for associating themselves with such deep and abiding imbecility?

It truly is a wonderment.

As the CBO has been WRONG on almost every single projection I have ever heard them make, this doesn't surprise me at all... but if it IS real, so what?

CUT more in spending TODAY and implement the Medicare and SS savings today, and the problem would be solved.

Instead of 6T in the next decade, cut 12T in the next decade. Instead of waiting till '22 to make changes to SS, start phasing that in next week.

Make it 25%, and start closing bases in states where they oppose "big government", like Oklahoma.

Got a counter-proposal for ya. How about congress set a % of cuts - say 25%, and then EVERYTHING gets the same reduction. The military, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, HHS, DoE, etc. That should be the STARTING point.

Then, if the dems have some favorite program that they want to save, like NPR, they can find another lib program to cut. The repubs can go and figure out what bases to close, and the country would be better off. For agencies that both parties agree to axe, like Dept of Ed, the money could be split.

...even though the region's surging economy is built to a large degree on a foundation of federal spending.

So, stealing the money from one group, to ship it to another, is supposed to somehow CREATE more jobs? WTF? So if I steal your car, sell it and then use the money to buy goods from your store, you should be HAPPY with that?

Overall, the state [OK] gets back $1.35 for every dollar its residents and businesses pay in federal taxes... Posted by northguy3

A large part of that is based on people retiring to low-tax and low-cost of living states. Still, I think that the military should take a 25% cut, as should EVERY federal agency [that isn't scrapped entirely, which most of them should be].

And that should be the START of the cutting, not the end of them.

However PROVABLY flawed the GOP plan is, the DEM plan is worse.

The GOP have FAILED to live up to the fiscal standards they preach, but at least they know its a problem.

The DEMs don't even try to have fiscal standards to live up to.

With the GOP there is a faint, slim chance, they just might get somewhere vaguely near the standards they preach.

With the DEMs there is absolutely NO CHANCE any real self dsiscipline will ever be applied.

I'll take the snowball's chance in hell over no chance at all.

The CBO is supposed to be non-partisan, so the data they use is static. There was no official CBO when they created SS and Medicare, but they had a federal department that operated the same way, and their projections were way off on those two programs, not because they don't know what their doing, but because they use static data.

That said Paul Ryan never made any intermediate claim about his budget, he just said that after I think I read 40 years his budget would eliminated the debt.

It's a long term solution that works slowly.

Then there's this little beauty that the republicans have hidden in their RYAN idiotic balanced budget amendment that says,
"No court of the United States or of any State shall order any increase in revenue to enforce this article."

OK, now think about that for a moment please. Think about it !!!

How is it that any self respecting human being, who's also a republican and having just read the description of the GOP's balanced budget amendment can not feel anything but abject shame .. (yada.. yada .. yada)
#38 | Posted by Che_Ernesto

Mr Ghe_Ernesto, that little beauty was NOT very well hidden .. Ryan discussed it on national TV

but, perhaps you could bolster your views by illustrating the 'vibrant middle class' in Cuba, Russia, Bolivia, or Venezuala

"CUT more in spending TODAY and implement the Medicare and SS savings today, and the problem would be solved."

Cynical GOP would never do that because they would never get elected again. They have to pander to those over 55 if they hope to stay in office, they are quite willing though to throw those under 55 under the bus.

"Obama SHOULD take charge and cut spending 10-15% across the board."

I don't think we should cut one single thing until we have an agreement to raise taxes on the rich. We started creating debt when Reagan cut taxes and every successive tax cutter has increased it more. Pretty obvious that cutting taxes has been the primary driver of deficits, that coupled with unfunded wars and unfunded Medicare drug bill. Raise taxes enough to offset the costs of the war and Medicare drug bill and much of the problem disappears, then we could begin cutting what is necessary. Why should teh majority suffer so that the very, very few can just pile up more wealth which they never earned.

"I don't think we should cut one single thing until we have an agreement to raise taxes on the rich."

Exactly. Put that on the table and say it's not coming off. Then use it as one of the two or three ideas to build a campaign around to clobber the GOPiggies and other social Neanderthals.

How about we have a contest to see what party can cut the most. For every dollar of defense spending, corporate welfare etc.... we cut a dollar of social programs. The winner will be the American People.

For those of you that are under the illusion that you are going to get back at "the rich" and take their money via taxes you need to understand the major flaw in that strategy. When you are super wealthy you are not bound to a geographical location the way you might be if you are middle class. "the rich" do not need to stick around for a job, a house payment or even family. They can be comfortable where ever their jet can take them on the planet. If you make it uncomfortable for them here in the United States they simply leave as is happening.

The only way to entice them to stay and keep investing in this country is to create a safer and more secure investing environment for them and the companies which they choose to invest in.

This does not mean corrupt corporate welfare that harms the system.

This does not mean government handouts to every cradle to grave emotional adolescent that demands the government take care of them forever.

This means create and maintain a system where the economic wheels are not clogged with the red tape of big government.

Where men and women are free to excel and free to fail based on their own merit.

The main way to create this environment is to end the Federal Reserve (aka banking cartel)

Understand there is a difference between the many wealthy individuals that would invest in this country and a few criminals at the top that control the money supply. Banking criminals that decide what countries fail and succeed as opposed to its peoples.

Ditto Corky

How about we just cut the government back to the size it was 10 years ago? We could do away with entire departments. Lets start with the Dept of Energy and Dept of Ag?

sniper....since the dept of education has FAILED and is unconstitutional anyway...there is another one.

As the CBO has been WRONG on almost every single projection I have ever heard them make, this doesn't surprise me at all... but if it IS real, so what?

#39 | Posted by 1libertarian at

and something about cbo we must NOT FORGET....they dont issue results of what THEY think...but only of info they are given...as in obamacare when goddamn dems RIGGED The whole result with lies, deciet, and fraud.

That saves valuable time so seniors can get back to work as greeters at Walmart.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2011-04-11 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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What's wrong with that? It's a job. They should have saved more personally if they wanted to relax with their feet up in their golden years, not on my money.

since the dept of education has FAILED and is unconstitutional anyway

#50 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

Why do righties believe that a cabinet-level department that's not in the Constitution unconstitutional? The Constitution does not prohibit the creation of other cabinet-level departments or otherwise restrict the Executive branch from creating any kind of advisory or operational entity to carry out the goals of the executive in enforcing the laws. The congress certainly has the ability to fund or not fund such, but that is their "check and balance" so the Constitution has already addressed how that is to be handled. In other words, it's a political issue not a constitutional one.

They should have saved more personally if they wanted to relax with their feet up in their golden years, not on my money.

#52 | POSTED BY CURISEMSSL

Right, because I'm sure you've never benefited from the tax contributions of others (that were made in generations past), so why should you invest in the future of your own country (that conservatives pretend to love so much)? And of course people who have lived from paycheck to paycheck for all their lives have been able to save up all kinds of money for their retirement, right? Also, while your side is all for making people work until they are 67, show me the company willing to hire a 66 year old at a wage that can support living expenses and medical insurance. Are you prepared to spend money to up the enforcement of age discrimination laws? Ever notice that it's frequently the oldest (and therefore most expensive both in salary and benefits) employees who get the axe? Your side doesn't want to give them food stamps or medical coverage or social security payments. What do you propose? I suppose they can all just find a cardboard box under a bridge somewhere after 30, 40, or 50 years of contributing to this society.

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[Comrades!]

Here again we have more bourgeois capitalist rhetoric!

Look at Taowarrior!

Ever hear of inheritance and goodwill and the salvation army? Many poor people own things passed down by the upper capitalist crust of society.

look at Dirk!

In the USA you are doomed to fail on your own merit. It's a capitalist country controlled by the wealthy rich. You have almost no chance at success!

Look at 1Libertarian!

Seems like he never even heard of fixing the $15 trillion dollar deficit by taxing the rich.

Look at Dr Dude2!

Liberal leeches? In fact, it has been the bourgeois capitalist "rich" who have been leaching off society with their big, big tax breaks and run away fees.

Look at USAF242

The Republican Party has proven itself to be nothing more than spokes people for the bourgeois capitalist rich. Now the claim is that we have to reduce the taxes on the "rich" to compete with foreign countries. Well boohoo!

From the RED point of view I say solve the problems by raising the taxes on the rich. Ever hear of tariffs!

How is it that any self respecting human being, who's also a republican and having just read the description of the GOP's balanced budget amendment can not feel anything but abject shame for associating themselves with such deep and abiding imbecility?

Nice try. How many states have a balanced budget requirement? Many.
How many times has the state judiciary actually had to force the balanced budget? Few (if ever).

You can go back to your meds now.

I don't think we should cut one single thing until we have an agreement to raise taxes on the rich

Your democratic buddies at GE are a wonderful example as to just why this doesn't work. Immelt is a Dem, an Obama supporter. Hell, they sniff each other's chair every time the other stands up.

The corporate tax rate is, what, 35%? Someone go check.
GE paid how much in corporate taxes - ZERO !
Well, workers of the fucking world unite. The Dems run the country, run around yelling tax the rich more more more, and they don't pay any taxes themselves and walk around scott free. Why? Because they dump all kinds of money into Ethanol research, green energy programs, inner city development projects and get a bunch of stupid ass tax breaks that the left insisted on.

So go ahead. Raise the rate to 50%, 75%, 90%.
Guess how much GE is going to pay under your new, feel good, solve every problem plan.

ZERO. Just like they're paying today.

The spending cuts Republicans would realize in the first 10 years would be outpaced by deficit increasing tax cuts in the plan, the CBO found.

I've noticed whenever a Republican is questioned on the revenue side they usually deflect and continue talking about spending cuts, never addressing the hole the Bush tax cuts created. Nor do they ever address the massive increase in spending during the Bush years or offer to slash those unfunded mandates.

Why should teh majority suffer so that the very, very few can just pile up more wealth which they never earned.

They shouldn't. So go bitch to the Messiah-in-cheif as to why he bailed out Wall Street, GM, BP, the UAW and countless other campaign donors.

The right had nothing to do with those decisions.

Counting unfunded labilities, at this level of debt there is no way the feds can avoid default. It's only a question how they do it. Devaluing the dollar is the most likely option. The game is over when the dollar is worthless.

Why should teh majority suffer so that the very, very few can just pile up more wealth which they never earned.


The Bible says you will be judged according to how you treated the least among you. 1% qualifies the rich as the "least," so treat them well and get into Heaven =D. The only down side is a lifetime of Hell on Earth.

The game is over when the dollar is worthless.

Posted by Ray at 2011-04-12 02:17 PM | Reply

Weimar here we come!

Don't forget, Fannie and Freddie's $7Trillion upside down position is our responsibility now too, making current DEBT more like $21T rather than $14T, and each of these will be +$1T by the end of the FY.

I've noticed whenever a Republican is questioned on the revenue side they usually deflect and continue talking about spending cuts, never addressing the hole the Bush tax cuts created. Nor do they ever address the massive increase in spending during the Bush years or offer to slash those unfunded mandates.


So let's talk about the revenue side.
It goes up virtually every fucking year genius.
www.usgovernmentrevenue.com

The poor, downtrodden, exploited Federal government can't seem to live on $2.174 Trillion a year. They have needs. They have obligations. They have committments. They need $3.8 Trillion a year.

No, they don't overspend. It's all a problem with Revenue.

DR DUDE

Take it up with Congressional Republicans and WH who bloated the budget from $1.8 Trillion to $3.5 Trillion in a few short years with no thought of deficits and debt ...

You quickly forget Clinton left a plan to pay off the debt. Dick Cheney said "Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter" as the budget, debt, and size of deficits were skyrocketing.

The game is over when the dollar is worthless.

It's on its way. But then again, I am just a right wing racist alarmist.

Watching the left melt down and blame everyone but Obama when the dollar drops by 50% and imports like oil sky rocket is going to be like the reaction of the ants when you piss on the ant hill.

I am just wondering which bank will refuse to buy worthless U.S. government securities first. The smartest one will realize that they're never going to get paid back and will start buying some other global securities. Probably the Yuan. With the liberals in charge, it's just a matter of time.

Oh, and massively decreased our revenues concurrently with bloating the budget and debt

Take it up with Congressional Republicans and WH who bloated the budget from $1.8 Trillion to $3.5 Trillion in a few short years with no thought of deficits and debt ...

So let's elect the Messiah and supercharge the mistakes. Real smart.
And yes, Cheney was a prick. Difference between you and me was that I admit when the righties fuck up. The lefties can continue the meltdown process and you defend them because they care about 'the poor'.

I am just wondering which bank will refuse to buy worthless U.S. government securities first.

Posted by dr_dude2 at 2011-04-12 02:30 PM | Reply

Dude,

Bill Gross at PIMCO, one of the largest has already dumped them. All of them.

China stopped buying around the beginning of the year.

Japan will probably be selling soon to help finance its rebuilding.

I did catch the Pimco headline on a CNN alert but didn't read the article. People don't realize that the Federal Reserve system is based on what they sell to the financial community.

When enough of them stop buying, the meltdown commences.

When enough of them stop buying, the meltdown commences.

#69 | Posted by dr_dude2

I thought the meltdown was in 2008.

Wasn't there a meltdown in 2008 just as President Bush was leaving office.

I could have swore there was. Or are we still in denial about that just like we are about the cause of the Civil War?

Who thought we could fight two Major Wars and not raise taxes?

Oh yeah..."Deficits don't matter"...when you hold the WH. But, it is a crisis of Epic proportions when the other team does. And apparently they have to solve it THIS year...suddenly.

Posted by donnerboy at 2011-04-12 03:01 PM | Reply

2008 may have just been a warm up for the real hurt.

Try and keep up.

The debt was less than $10 Trillion under GWB. Way way too high, but still less than the economic output of the country over 1 year. The deficit is now $14+ Trillion and beyond the economic output of the country over 1 year.

You can run up your credit card to a point. When it gets to a point where your minimum payment is more than you make, you're fucked.

This is what Cheney, the dipshit, meant when he said deficits don't matter. They do matter after a certain point. $100B a year is managable. $200 Billion a month isn't. So go on arguing about the civil war and putting your head up your ass about how great the affirmitive action president is doing.

If Pimco stopped buying US treasuries, I assure you that they know something is up. Either inflation is about to explode, a default is looming, China and Japan are going to dump currency, etc.

It isn't going to be pretty.
And yes, the Civil War was about slavery.

2008 may have just been a warm up for the real hurt.

Do understand how fucked up this really is, just think about this...
The budget cuts recently agreed upon came to $38 Billion.
The government borrows $6 Billion a day to function - over and above what they take in taxes. In the 10 days of argument, the govt borrowed $60 Billion to save $38 Billion.

But not to worry. Obama is on it.

It will take the Republicans supporting cuts to defense spending and higher taxes and Democrats supporting a revamp of Medicare, social security, and other entitlement programs before anything can get done.

I've noticed whenever a Republican is questioned on the revenue side they usually deflect and continue talking about spending cuts, never addressing the hole the Bush tax cuts created. Nor do they ever address the massive increase in spending during the Bush years or offer to slash those unfunded mandates.

#58 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2011-04-12 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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And Obama carriers on. You guys are a joke! Bush.... Well Obamam is doing the EXACT same thing so keep it shut.

Defense is going to have to be cut.
Withdraw troops from Germany. WWII is over.
Withdraw troops from Korea. The Korean war is over.

Economic reality is economic reality.

Raise taxes on the rich all you want. They just won't pay it. Look at GE. They ignore the corp tax rate all day long and Immelt is a fucking Democrat. Same for Geitner. If you nail them with income tax, they take equity. If you go after their holdings, they move them offshore. If you tax their yachts, people like Kerry will just reharbor them. You lefties just don't fucking get it.

The only way to nail them is with a consumption tax. Which the left won't support because they can't redistribute wealth that way.

From the RED point of view I say solve the problems by raising the taxes on the rich. Ever hear of tariffs!
#55 | Posted by Magister99

Yeah sure. The rich write the tax laws.

It will take the Republicans supporting cuts to defense spending and higher taxes and Democrats supporting a revamp of Medicare, social security, and other entitlement programs before anything can get done.
#74 | Posted by taxman

When hell freezes over. It's politically more palatable to run the programs out till the system collapses. Then they can't be blamed for cutting back.

Posted by Ray at 2011-04-12 03:37 PM | Reply

Shhh! Don't give it away!

It's called Operation Insolvency and its moving along very nicely...

;^)

From the RED point of view I say solve the problems by raising the taxes on the rich. Ever hear of tariffs!
#55 | Posted by Magister99

Yea, because those go over so well on the global scene. Again, lefties spout off a bunch of "solutions" but then when it comes down to it they have no idea how to implemet them or what the unforseen (to them) results will be. Ex. TRADE WARS.

Shhh! Don't give it away!

It's called Operation Insolvency and its moving along very nicely...

;^)

#79 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD at 2011-04-12 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Ha Ha that would be even more funny if it wasn't half true. Ray is right and the majority of the public is too stupid to get it, see UAW workers demanding that they make more than teachers or their kids idolizing "The Situation". People just don't understand money. So they'll do just that, run it till it's dry because not one wants to push the car a couple of miles to the next gas station. On both sides.

Another empire bites the dust, or is about.

to.

"The right had nothing to do with those decisions."

You're lying. They had everything to do with those decisions.

Look at GE. They ignore the corp tax rate all day long

Another misnomer:

GE Paid Taxes in 2010 After All

"Did GE get a $3.2 billion tax refund? No.

Did GE pay U.S. income taxes in 2010? Yes, it paid estimated taxes for 2010, and also made payments for previous years. Think of it as your having paid withholding taxes on your salary in 2010, and sending the IRS a check on April 15, 2010, covering your balance owed for 2009.

Will GE ultimately pay U.S. income taxes for 2010? After much to-ing and fro-ing â€" the company says it hasn’t completed its 2010 tax return â€" GE now says that it will pay tax. (For more on GE’s tax strategies, see GE’s taxes: A case study)"

The sum average tax paid by corporations, despite the 35% stated rate, is about 10%.

When the CBO did a study, they ascertained many top corporations paid $0, and of those that did the average was about 5%. So, for all the whining about the 35% tax rate, very, very few ever come close to paying that amount, if any at all.

As the thread's linked article points out, Ryan ignores revenues, which are a huge chunk of our deficit hole as is debt service on the debt Republicans had no problem skyrocketing - currently $750 BILLION a year.

Cutting taxes does not lead to job creation. The wealthiest are primarily in the 'investment class'. Thanks to the GOP's tax slashing, they pay a 15% rate on capital gains instead of that money being taxed as income.

For all the talk of spending cuts, perhaps Congressional GOPers should look at the budget they doubled and be honest about how slashing taxes at the same time dug us a hole to China.

(It's weird how apostrophes and quotation marks in C&P's turn into gobbledygook.)

GE:

"So how did the Times get the story so wrong? ... The Times apparently got confused by a report showing a $3.2 billion "tax benefit" in 2010, which they mistook for an after-profit credit. The term actually refers to estimated pre-profit deductions and credits, which lower the eventual taxable income number on which GE gets billed by the IRS. It's roughly analogous to mistaking personal itemized deductions on a tax return for a refund figure.."

GE Paid Taxes in 2010 After All

Ok, so they made $11B in profit on $75B in revenue. They paid $3.2B in taxes. Ok by me, but the left wants them to pay $11B in taxes on $11B in profit. If they could get $12B in taxes on $11B in profit, they'd want that.

Either way, raise taxes all you want. GE will move the numbers around, transfer the money offshore, and do what they need to do to minimize their obligation. Just like all of the other rich Democrats like John Edwards, Tim Geitner and John Kerry who care so much about the poor.

Hell, BarryO made $5M in book sales last year. How much did he pay in Taxes. Certainly not his fair share according to the left.

Clueless liberals.

Sorry. Obama made $5M in 2009. Not 2010.
Sue me.

Cutting taxes does not lead to job creation. The wealthiest are primarily in the 'investment class'. Thanks to the GOP's tax slashing, they pay a 15% rate on capital gains instead of that money being taxed as income.

For all the talk of spending cuts, perhaps Congressional GOPers should look at the budget they doubled and be honest about how slashing taxes at the same time dug us a hole to China.

#85 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2011-04-12 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Why do you suppose they have the reduced rate for capital gains? So it keeps people investing in the capital markets. Why, you might ask? This is the same capital that drives our markets and the companies in it. They need highly liquid markets in order to operate effectively. If it was taxed at the same rate as income, there would be little incentive for individuals to take the risk associated with equity.

This would also serverly punish the small savers who have 401Ks but have very little knowledge on how to shield them from the tax man. Obviously the "rich" will figure out how to do just that, as that is why they are rich. They acutally save, and teach themselves about money and finance, instead of watching Amercian Idol.

You're lying. They had everything to do with those decisions.

Nice Danni. So the right is now responsible for Obama's decisions.
Guess that tinfoil antenna on his head receiving orders from the dead Ronald Reagan is working after all.


CBO: Ryan Plan Ups 10-Year Debt

And guts our safety net just to give more tax cuts to the rich.

/thread

Withdraw troops from Korea. The Korean war is over.

SNIP

#76 | Posted by dr_dude2 at 2011

Reality and the Right, never the twain shall meet.


Why do you suppose they have the reduced rate for capital gains? So it keeps people investing in the capital markets. Why, you might ask? This is the same capital that drives our markets and the companies in it. They need highly liquid markets in order to operate effectively. If it was taxed at the same rate as income, there would be little incentive for individuals to take the risk associated with equity.

This would also serverly punish the small savers who have 401Ks but have very little knowledge on how to shield them from the tax man. Obviously the "rich" will figure out how to do just that, as that is why they are rich. They acutally save, and teach themselves about money and finance, instead of watching Amercian Idol.

#90 | Posted by curisemssl at 2011-04-12 04:24 PM

Bullshit.

Very informative retort. Par for the left, especially darth. Has the quality of Danni retort though.


Very informative retort. Par for the left, especially darth. Has the quality of Danni retort though.

#95 | Posted by curisemssl at 2011-04-12 05:25 PM

Fuck you and the talking points you rode in on.

Go have a beer pal, you need to relax and get your shit together. Maybe think things through for a change.


#97 | Posted by curisemssl at 2011-04-12 05:39 PM

Thanking you very much for advice, will now go to fine beer establishment to drink beer and watch "The Situation". While you be spouting tired and debunked talking points and feeling like you fit in.

No, I'm going to head home have a nice scotch, I'm tired of explaining things to people. Enjoy Mike and the gang!

Withdraw troops from Korea. The Korean war is over.

SNIP

#76 | Posted by dr_dude2 at 2011

Reality and the Right, never the twain shall meet.

#93 | Posted by truthhurts

Wake up Dude...We are still at War with Korea.

We have an Armistice...the end of armed conflict but not the conclusion of the war.

news.findlaw.com


#99 | Posted by curisemssl at 2011-04-12 06:04 PM

Hope you brought an umbrella! Wall St. parasite.

Withdraw troops from Korea. The Korean war is over.

Yeah and if he did, you would call him weak for surrendering to North Korea.

Withdraw troops from Korea. The Korean war is over.

Yeah and if he did, you would call him weak for surrendering to North Korea.

So let's elect the Messiah and supercharge the mistakes. Real smart.
And yes, Cheney was a prick. Difference between you and me was that I admit when the righties fuck up. The lefties can continue the meltdown process and you defend them because they care about 'the poor'.

#67 | Posted by dr_dude2

The dude was left with half the annual deficit - $750 BILLION - in debt service, a budget doubled by Republicans, a recession, and reduced tax revenues. To attempt to blame any of this on Obama is disingenuous (that's the kind word for it).

Why do you suppose they have the reduced rate for capital gains? So it keeps people investing in the capital markets.

People were actually investing in companies just fine for a couple centuries before the capital gains rate was lowered, encouraging more stock manipulation for a quick buck.

Unbridled greed explains many of the moves upper management make at company after company to enrich their own stock options for short term gain at the expense of the long term viability of the company, product development, etc. at the same time many lay off employees.

As for smaller investors - 401k's and the like - set an income threshold.

Stock manipulation by management who stand to profit the most is a conflict of interest at the expense of average shareholders.

Paul Ryan makes me hard. GRRrrrrr! -AmericanViagraty

He gives YOU a stiffy, Wisgod. He makes me want to puke.

A guy who voted for every unfunded mandate and tax cut that came up for a vote - the cause of our present difficulties.

Since your memory has been shot all to hell with alcohol, I must remind you again Republicans doubled the budget, more than doubled the debt, and slashed revenues. Deficits didn't matter ... then.

Like you've even bothered to read the bill. You could be AFKabbles bizaro Brother for the love of God. Nothing but talking points from the people who you follow. Try thinking for yourself before pulling out the drink retort, old man. You'd look a helluva lot better.

The United States is the richest nation on earth, yet we rank 97th in family-income equality, according to the CIA Factbook. Our inequality is so profound that we rank behind nations we associate with corruption, poverty, oppression, or collapsed governments â€" Nigeria, China, India, Ivory Coast, Tunisia, Egypt, Burundi, Nicaragua, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, and Greece.

According to our Central Intelligence Agency, which does a huge amount of international economic analysis, since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20 percent of households.

Unbridled greed explains many of the moves upper management make at company after company to enrich their own stock options for short term gain at the expense of the long term viability of the company, product development, etc. at the same time many lay off employees.

#105 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2011-04-12 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Agreed, stock options are a bad way to go, as a method of compensation to high level management. Good in theory, bad in practice for the reasons you cited. Should be a delayed benefit of say ten years to cash them in, or something like that. Not sure on the exact number, just sometime down the road. If they made poor short term moves it would be reflected in the value of the equity in the not so distant future.

Setting an income threshold is a weak solution, not to mention it favours a particular group of individuals, the "poor". Who's going to set the bar and how high? That's not for you or anyone else to decide. Don't punish those who succeed just because others don't. The tax code is currently set that way and everyone has the same opportunity to benefit from it, they just have to look for it and/or save up enough to take advantage of it, like everyone else did in the past.

That's one thing I don't get. I've never heard of, not that it hasn't RARELY happened I'm sure, anyone, INCLUDING do-gooder Dems, paying more to the government in taxes than is currently required of them. Dems scream raises taxes and benefits to all and yet I promise that if you send more than your fair share to the IRS they will gladly keep it for you and spend in the best way they know how, which isn't very good at all. Nonetheless, they will take it. But that won't happen now will it. Why? Because Dems only like it if they can force others to do it aswell. They are so up on themselves for "doing the right thing" yet there is nothing stopping them from doing it right now. They just don't want to until others have to do it too. What a joke.

Sorry Darth, not on Wall St. It's sunny where I'm at and I opted for a beer in your honor.

Oh AU, if we're so far behind those other nations, according to the CIA, why don't you pick up shop and head to any one of those fine nations. Why do people even pull up those garbage stats, our poor are FAR from their poor. It simply means we have a lot of really rich and intelligent people currently living here and some that aren't and have zero intention of working to become "rich". They're just waiting for the gravy train.

You know one way to close the income gap. Make all of the billionares and millionares move to Europe. If no one make more than a million dollars then the gap is significantly reduced and all is well, according to your one stat. Come on...

#112 | Posted by curisemssl at 2011-04-12 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ya, sure. Why don't you make another ridiculous suggestion?

Here's a common sense suggestion: "Quit killing the middle class and shifting our wealth to people who don't need more."

How's that sound?

You think they don't have the abilty to move out of the Country or hide their wealth, AU? Like that hasn't been happening for the last twenyy years? Is there a talking point you can find to rebuff it?

Where have they been moving? Stats? Link?

Sure, they're hiding money, and beginning to find themselves in a heap of trouble for it now that the Swiss and others are opening the books.

Corporations haven't been moving oversea's? You need a link and a intervention.

#113 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2011-04-12 09:22 PM | REPLY | FLAG: Doesn't get the connection between the decline of the middle class and the rise of the political class.

"CBO: GOP Budget Would Increase Debt, Then Stick It To Medicare Patients"

Didn't the CBO also say that Obama's Stimulas was going to turn the economy around?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

You foolish idiots!

TALF Opportunity boasts a couple of interesting names among its chief investors: Christy Mack and Susan Karches.

Christy is the wife of John Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley. Susan is the widow of Peter Karches, a close friend of the Macks who served as president of Morgan Stanley's investment-banking division. Neither woman appears to have any serious history in business, apart from a few philanthropic experiences. Yet the Federal Reserve handed them both low-interest loans of nearly a quarter of a billion dollars through a complicated bailout program that virtually guaranteed them millions in risk-free income.

The technical name of the program that Mack and Karches took advantage of is TALF, short for Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility. But the federal aid they received actually falls under a broader category of bailout initiatives, designed and perfected by Federal Reserve chief Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, called "giving already stinking rich people gobs of money for no fucking reason at all." If you want to learn how the shadow budget works, follow along. This is what welfare for the rich looks like.

With an upfront investment of $15 million, they quickly received $220 million in cash from the Fed, most of which they used to purchase student loans and commercial mortgages. The loans were set up so that Christy and Susan would keep 100% of any gains on the deals, while the Fed and the Treasury (read: the taxpayer) would eat 90% of the losses.
The impetus for this sudden manic expansion of the bailouts was a masterful bluff by Wall Street executives. If you have power and connections, they will give you a freebie deal â€" if you're good at whining.

A key aspect of TALF is that the Fed doles out the money through what are known as non-recourse loans. This means there is no collateral and no consequence if you don’t pay it back.

The public has no way of knowing how much Christy Mack and Susan Karches earned on these transactions, because the Fed has repeatedly declined to provide any information about how it priced the individual securities bought as part of programs like TALF. "There's no way of validating or invalidating the Fed's process in TALF without this pricing information," says Gary Aguirre, a former SEC official who was fired years ago after he tried to interview John Mack in an insider-trading case.

Those kinds of deals were the essence of the bailout â€" and the vast mountains of near-zero government cash turned companies facing bankruptcy into monstrous profit machines.

Meanwhile, the Macks decided to buy himself a gorgeous piece of property â€" a 107-year-old limestone carriage house on the Upper East Side of New York, complete with an indoor 12-car garage, sold by the prestigious Mellon family for $13.5 million. Either Mack had plenty of cash on hand to close the deal, or he got some help from his wife.

Thanks Matt Taibbi for helping us understand grand crimes under our noses.

OH MY GOD, there's a DEBT CRISIS.

If you believe that you're as dumb as a home made radio.

Here's a common sense suggestion: "Quit killing the middle class and shifting our wealth to people who don't need more."

How's that sound?

#113 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2011-04-12 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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How much wealth others need is not your or anyone else's decison to make. They earn it, they should keep it.

Nutcase, you should have just said the sky is blue. Of course there is corruption, especially in the government, and you want to give them more money and control. People even want the government to control their healthcare. Furthermore, the Dems way to pay for it is to tax the shit out of the producers in this nation. It would be funny if it wasn't so damn scary.

Corrupt bankers and politicians, take them to court.

born yesterday,

SCOTUS is on their side.

$10 billion of taxpayer money for welfare.

$10 trillion of taxpayer money for crooked fatcats.

Lets attack the poor. Where are your priorities? Do you have any senseof right or wrong? How can you be so fucking gullible.

CURIE

It's HOW the top 1 or 2% make their money that should concern you as an American. Take Wall Street, for example. Know what they've been doing the past 10 years? Firing Americans and bringing in workers from China and India at far less wages under the H-1B program, which is supposed to be used to fill positions they can't find Americans to do.

Gut the middle class, who are making less in real wages the last 10 years for the first time in American history while the uber wealthy have gained an even larger share of America's wealth the past 10 years, and watch this place turn into a 3rd world country. Won't take too long.

The same Wall Street firms that claimed poverty, got a trillion in bailouts, then paid themselves billions in bonuses.

The uber wealthy pay for what benefits them in Congress. You and I don't have the luxury. Just try to get an appointment with your Congressman. In fact, do just that and let us know how your sit down goes. We'll be waiting forever. Guarantee it.

born yesterday,

SCOTUS is on their side.

$10 billion of taxpayer money for welfare.

$10 trillion of taxpayer money for crooked fatcats.

Lets attack the poor. Where are your priorities? Do you have any senseof right or wrong? How can you be so fucking gullible.

#122 | Posted by nutcase

Speaking of gullible? You think that government control isn't exactly how the banking cartel was able to pull off this heist on the American Tax Payer in the first place? Get a clue.

Let "the people" keep their money. When it goes to the government it just gets distributed to the wealthy under the guise of "helping the poor". ie General Electric's sweet heart deals

Speaking of gullible? You think that government control isn't exactly how the banking cartel was able to pull off this heist on the American Tax Payer in the first place? Get a clue.

Government control?

In that corporate and private money control government by dominating the national political debate and impacting policy that has only gone on to increase the already too wide wealth gap?

Agreed.

Let "the people" keep their money. When it goes to the government it just gets distributed to the wealthy under the guise of "helping the poor". ie General Electric's sweet heart deals.

So end corporate welfare?

Also agreed.

Guess yer in favor of bringing back the estate tax too then if yer not into redistributing wealth back to the already wealthy.

Yer such a lefty, Dirk.

Be Well.

So end corporate welfare?

Yer such a lefty, Dirk.

Be Well.

#126 | Posted by dethspud

Of course end corporate welfare.

I am liberal in the classic sense of the word:) As in let everyone keep their own money.

New age "lefty" Marxist philosophy....not so much.

Be swell.

The government should NOT be in the business of helping the rich or the poor. The governments role is pretty simple, defend the borders, coin money, (NOT the Federal Reserve which is made up of a conglomeration of private bankers), make treaties, appoint judges, regulate commerce, taxes are set by the Congress, Etc, Etc... Gay marriage? NOT THERE. Abortion rights? NOT THERE. Health coverage? NOT THERE. Education? NOT THERE. What is not assigned to the Federal Government is left up to the States. Education, Housing and Urban Development, USDA (Look up Tom Vilsack, a former leader of Monsanto), FDA, and many other "Government Entities are not listed in the constitution. So much of MY tax dollars go towards NEA (National Education Association) Planned Parenthood, National Arts Programs, and so many more ENTITLEMENT programs like Section Eight housing and welfare programs, health care, and ad infinitum are not supposed to be a part of the Federal Government. The States are supposed to handle what the government does not. Republican, Democrat... they are all the same. Stop the subsidies to the oil companies, farmers, artists, welfare, pharmacies and many many others. Read the Constitution for yourself. The shills in congress will never pass a budget that is balanced

What parts does your time machine need to get you back to your comfort zone?

(Please to be remembering, the Caribs may be cannibals.)

What parts does your time machine need to get you back to your comfort zone?

(Please to be remembering, the Caribs may be cannibals.)

#129 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

FLAG: Volunteers to pick up the soap in the shower at the county jail.

There would be no computer industry today but for Government subsidies. There is a right way and a wrong way to operate the Government. Why should we send "aid" to people in Somolia or Bangledesh, but not make sure every school age child has one square meal a day? What kind of greedfucker wants a population of undereducated revolving their lives through prison doors. Our for profit prison industry is one, which actually paid a PA Judge to sentence minors.

Privatization is wonderful, until it conflicts with the common good. The greedfuckers that own Washington and you by default are getting what they want and the right wing blames the poor for the pillaging and plundering of the rich. If you believe that storyline you are a gullible idiot.

There are only two issues in politics, money and morality. Our Independence emerged from the moral outrage that defined European Royalty and Religion. Today our CEOs live equally morally depraved lives. With a few exceptions, our politicians won't touch morality with a ten foot pole.

OH MY GOD, there's a DEBT CRISIS.
If you believe that you're as dumb as a home made radio.
#120 | Posted by nutcase

Oh poor stupid me.

FLAG: Volunteers to pick up the soap in the shower at the county jail.
#130 | Posted by Dirk a | Flag: Wishful Thinking

No politician has the balls to take the heat for spending cuts. The political line of least resistance is to spend until the system collapses. Count on it.

$10 billion of taxpayer money for welfare.
$10 trillion of taxpayer money for crooked fatcats.
Lets attack the poor. Where are your priorities? Do you have any senseof right or wrong? How can you be so fucking gullible.
#122 | Posted by nutcase

You ignorant fool, $10 billion for welfare? entitlement programs account for more than 60% of a ~$4 trillion dollar budget.

Over 90% of the tarp money has been paid back. The government actually made millions in this deal. Can you tell us who on wall street/businesses(crooked fatcats) have not paid back the government tarp loans?

Why should we send "aid" to people in Somolia or Bangledesh, but not make sure every school age child has one square meal a day? What kind of greedfucker wants a population of undereducated revolving their lives through prison doors. Our for profit prison industry is one, which actually paid a PA Judge to sentence minors.

#131 | POSTED BY NUTCASE AT 2011-04-13 08:36 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Can you provide any evidence where any child in America does not have one square meal a day? If they do not, it is completely the fault of the parent for not caring enough to make sure the kid eats. Free meals and shelter are readily available to anyone who needs them.

Your fooling rants are comical. Hundreds of billions of dollars are spent providing free public education. And the crotch holding fools like you can't stay out of prison because they and you are complete fools who think you are owed something because your momma dropped you in the US.

You ignorant fool, $10 billion for welfare? entitlement programs account for more than 60% of a ~$4 trillion dollar budget.
And the more money we dump down this shithole, the more the left bitches about the 'poor'.

They don't know what poor is. I've been in a taxi in New Dehli when 'real' poor kids swamp the cab looking for me to give them a handout. Built a habitat house in India where 6 people live in a 1 room, 300 sq foot home and share an outhouse. I've been to the shanty towns in Jamaica. Hell, even outside of Frankfurt, there are desolate immigrants living in squalor.

The left in America thinks that a high school dropout crack whore living in public housing is the same thing. They wouldn't know a poor person if one fell out of the sky, landed on their faces and started to wiggle.

Catch a clue losers.

Over 90% of the tarp money has been paid back. The government actually made millions in this deal. Can you tell us who on wall street/businesses(crooked fatcats) have not paid back the government tarp loans?


TARP has. The fiscal stimulus that Obama passed, that we all know was really George Bush's fault, hasn't paid $.01 in dividends. In fact, he keeps trying to 'stimulate' himself with more deficits.

But feel good about yourselves lefties. He's definitely the best black President we've ever had.

Paul Ryan is right.

Boehner and McConnell sold out the conservative wing of the republican party and should resign immediately.

We don't need crybabies, whiners and gutless cowards in leadership positions.

AU nice try but horrible article.

If you think talf was bad, what do you think would have happened if we had followed danni's plan to nationalize all the tarp banks???

I lived thru the S+L crisis and can tell you this is how the feds do it, they dump they assets. Just like they forced them to dump their junk bonds. The gov can't get value for anything, they are idiots dealing with HI IQ sharks.

Wanna get even more pissed? When they dump these assets, they often employee the CEO who tanked the bank...to sell those assets, at a high salary. He's the one who knows the assets best, and can get the most for them, in that role....

The problem isn't poor people. The problem is a Libertarian mindset driven by the likes of Friedman and Greenspan. This has created endless opportunity to steal from the public coffers with impunity, provided you occupy a position with access to Government power.

Those that hate poor people because they believe they are lazy, might assign 2% of the problem to the welfare roles, if they were rational, but they're not. There is absolutely no doubt that 90% of the problem in dollars and corrupt unethical behavior resides in Finance, Insurance and Real Estate. Thiscan be more broadly describedas the militaryindustrial complex, but profits are concentrated in the former, 3% of US Corporate profits in the fifties, 40% today.

Social Security is 40% of Government Revenue and 20% of the budget. This fact alone demonstrates the relentlessness dishonesty behind the Rethuglican campaign to steal all your money. A strategy which Ryan has decided to take a position of leadership in. How many jobs has Shrub's tax cuts created? BLS statistics are clear ZERO.

The problem isn't poor people. The problem is a Libertarian mindset driven by the likes of Friedman and Greenspan. This has created endless opportunity to steal from the public coffers with impunity, provided you occupy a position with access to Government power.

Those that hate poor people because they believe they are lazy, might assign 2% of the problem to the welfare roles, if they were rational, but they're not. There is absolutely no doubt that 90% of the problem in dollars and corrupt unethical behavior resides in Finance, Insurance and Real Estate. Thiscan be more broadly describedas the militaryindustrial complex, but profits are concentrated in the former, 3% of US Corporate profits in the fifties, 40% today.

Social Security is 40% of Government Revenue and 20% of the budget. This fact alone demonstrates the relentlessness dishonesty behind the Rethuglican campaign to steal all your money. A strategy which Ryan has decided to take a position of leadership in. How many jobs has Shrub's tax cuts created? BLS statistics are clear ZERO.

No.

The problem is poor people.

And the attitudes and behaviors that keep people poor.

And stupid fucking public policy promulgated by rich, self-loathing white liberals that ensures poor people will continue to be poor.

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