Amazingly enough, I'd bet there are some evangelicals who aren't total assholes and don't feel entirely comfortable being represented by a borderline retard Nazi sympathizer who used to do morning radio shows with fart machines.

They were burned by Bush and they don't wanna get burned by Beck when his house of cards collapses, too.

Beck is doing very well right now and i don't think he will fail anytime soon.

his success is placed on what will happen in the next 6 years.

after this and the next term he could rise even higher or fall completely down.

either way he will make a lot of money and keep supporters for quite a while IMO.

Beck is a circus performer and good luck to the guy for doing well for himself. I don't actually blame him for taking advantage of the fact that people are stupid enough to listen to him. I blame the sad state of education in this country for creating a population of angry, frightened cretins who'd rather 'believe' than learn. Stupidity makes you vulnerable to con artists like Beck.

It could be some trouble with false prophets making large profits.

I don't actually blame him for taking advantage of the fact that people are stupid enough to listen to him.

And listening to someone you don't like is indeed sheer stupidity. I don't listen to him because I don't like him, but like Rush, everything I know about Beck is from what I read lefties have heard him say. But the left (as proven with Beck and Rush) just can't stay away, no matter how much they despise him.

How silly is that?

But the left (as proven with Beck and Rush) just can't stay away, no matter how much they despise him.

How silly is that?

#6 | Posted by goatman

do you always ignore your enemy? Not a very good tactic bro.

either way he will make a lot of money and keep supporters for quite a while IMO.

#3 | Posted by NotMyRealName

sounds like you own some of his Goldline stock.

do you always ignore your enemy?

I can't really say I have any enemies. But to call a TV show host an enemy? Fuck, that's a whole different pathos. Get a life. There are great ones out there that don't involve TV show hosts that get under your skin

#6 I wouldn't listen to Glenn fucking Beck if you taped my eyes open and put a gun to my head. But I know what he says because it's reported and passed around the news shows and becomes currency. And I know what he says is toxic, stupid and mostly untrue. Same for Limp-baugh. These fucks are turning this country dumber, angrier and more dangerous.

Or #8 I meant

And I know what he says is toxic, stupid and mostly untrue. Same for Limp-baugh. These fucks are turning this country dumber, angrier and more dangerous.

That's a bit melodramatic. How is this country more dangerous because of these airheads?

But to call a TV show host an enemy? Fuck, that's a whole different pathos. Get a life.

anyone who preaches such ignorance and hate is my enemy. He is NOT good for America. Ignorance never is. Shows your character that you think it is ok.

The man is dividing America. He has an agenda. He has financial support. He has a lot of faithful followers. Honestly? They scare me little. Stupidity of that magnitude is dangerous.

Wake up Goat. Someday you will have to take a side. If you are not against him then you are for him. If it goes on the way it is it may even become violent. You don't see this?

#11 Don't ask me. Ask a Muslim. Ask a gay guy. Ask a black guy. Ask a Mexican. While you're about it, ask anyone serving in the military overseas or any random American traveler how much safer they feel that there are ignorant assholes being paid millions every year to make the rest of the world think we're a bunch of fascists who pretty much hate them.

Shows your character that you think it is ok.

???

Where did I say it was OK?

Fuck, donnieboy, if lies and putting words into my mouth is all you got, later, loser. Find someone else to lie about

... to make the rest of the world think we're a bunch of fascists who pretty much hate them.

Wow. You assume the rest of the world is that dumb? I think people are smarter than you give them credit for and see Rush and Beck for what they are.

"How is this country more dangerous because of these airheads?"

Through race baiting and fear mongering they have radicalized a disheartening number of people.

In the case of PArk51 they have so roused the rabble that some arsons and other unfortunate instances of xenophobic hate have occurred.

Not direct responsibility to be sure but most definitely indirect responsibility.

How is the country not more dangerous because of these shiat-heads?

Be Well.

Through race baiting and fear mongering they have radicalized a disheartening number of people.

So like redneckliberal you think you are one of the very few who is smart enough to see these guys for what they are.

Get over yourself.

Where did I say it was OK?

If you don't know why he is The Enemy and you think I am pathological about it then you are in effect giving him the OK and calling me crazy.

Are you really that dense? I am not putting "words" in your mouth bro. I am interpreting your position by what you are saying. Get a grip Goat. If you agree with him say so. If you don't then say so. You can't ride the fence and insult one side then act like you are neutral.

I think people are smarter than you give them credit for and see Rush and Beck for what they are.

#15 | Posted by goatman

WE are not worried about the smart ones dude.

I you don't know why he is The Enemy and you think I am pathological about it then you are in effect giving him the OK

Only with your twisted logic. In fact, in this very thread I said they were both airheads. Would I call someone an airhead if I thought what they were doing is OK?

Again, take your lies (and twisted bOoBlogic) elsewhere. I've no time for it.

Then why can't you see he is an Enemy of America? What would you call someone who preaches hate tries distort the truth and to pass off lies as truth in order to bring down our government?

And you lie dog... you have plenty of time...apparently.

What would you call someone who preaches hate tries distort the truth and to pass off lies as truth...

Al Gore? Blago? Maxine Waters? I give up.

And you lie dog

Without citing that statement, it is simply empty words. But you keep proving that's all you got. Cool. Makes my job easier

#17 Goatboy, I travel and have spoken to plenty of people in Europe, Asia and Africa who are not stupid. But the general consensus, at least in my experience, is that they assume the assholes who are most watched on TV in the US represent popular opinion. It's not an unreasonable assumption, given that they wouldn't be popular if no-one agreed with them. So if you happen to be far from home and surrounded by people who assume you share the same views as Beck and Limp-baugh, it can be a little awkward being as they've already 'pre-offended' most people you're likely to meet. I remember being asked by a guy in Morocco why Americans want to kill him for being Muslim. Things like that don't exactly make vacations more relaxing. Can;t imagine they make military tours of duty any easier either.

And thanks for the compliment on my smarts but I think there are very many people smart enough to recognize Beck and Limp-baugh for the lying, fascist assholes they are.

WE are not worried about the smart ones dude.

Since it is the left who is allegedly demonized by these folks, I understand your concern. LOL

So if you happen to be far from home and surrounded by people who assume you share the same views as Beck and Limp-baugh...

Why would anyone assume that?

And thanks for the compliment on my smarts...

You are welcome

Al Gore? Blago? Maxine Waters? I give up.

none of them are famous personalities preaching HATE to Americans for about 3 hours a day.

Got anything else?

#24: let me refer you to my previous answer:

They assume the assholes who are most watched on TV in the US represent popular opinion. It's not an unreasonable assumption, given that they wouldn't be popular if no-one agreed with them.

Got anything else?

Your favorite Airhead America personality. (are they still in business?)

Makes my job easier

#21 | Posted by goatman

your job? Makes your job as rig jockey easier? No? Must be that it makes your job as the DR Contrarian easier.

They assume the assholes who are most watched on TV in the US represent popular opinion

Though they may be idiots extraordanaire, you can't blame Beck and Rush that others make unreasonable assumptions about the rest of America. Do the also assume we all think like the far left and very vociferous Hollywood crowd since all Americans flock to their movies? Again, that's their issue, not Hollywood's

Must be that it makes your job as the DR Contrarian easier

Exactly. Lies are the easiest thing to expose

Your favorite Airhead America personality. (are they still in business?)

#27 | Posted by goatman

none from Air America preached (no it is not on the air) hate and ignorance. Maybe you are thinking of NPR.

You really will have to do better. No... not Bill Moyer either. He definitely doesn't preach hate nor ignorance.

You getting it yet?

Liberals don't preach hate and ignorance. WE constantly fight against it.

none from Air America preached (no it is not on the air) hate and ignorance.

LOL

gotta go Goat... you come up with a Liberal that preaches hate and ignorance and distorts the truth in the vein of Glenna Beck or even Lush Bimbo and I will be back to discuss.

Liberals don't preach hate and ignorance.

So the dude shot a couple of days ago in the Discovery building was a closed republican and just pretended he liked Al Gore?

How cunning of him! LOL

you come up with a Liberal that preaches hate and ignorance and distorts the truth in the vein of Glenna Beck or even Lush Bimbo and I will be back to discuss

I did. But you wouldn't admit it.

At least I'm honest about Beck and Rush being idiots. You will never admit hateful lefties no matter how many more names I throw at you, so I won't waste my time. Debating witht he intellectually dishonest is a futile game.

How is this country more dangerous because of these airheads?

Ask the widow of that Philly cop killed by some guy who was told by some talking head Obama was coming to take his guns away. If you say enough shit, you'll eventually get some moron to believe you. Bin laden and Goebbels proved that.

Liberals don't preach hate and ignorance. WE constantly fight against it.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-09-03 08:02 PM

You libs have done a hell of a job Brownie. Brilliant plan using hate and ignorance to combat hate and ignorance.

Just to cut the crap and bridge the political divide here... anyone paying reasonable attention over the past few years might have noticed there are two sides to politics. One side hates pretty much everyone except white Christian wingnuts and makes their feelings very clear. The other side keeps getting slammed for sticking up for pretty much everybody. So... where's the hate and ignorance at? Not really getting the equation here. Read a liberal blog and you'll find people bitching about Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, maybe Bush for old time's sake. Read a cuntservative blog? They're bitching about literally everybody on the planet. How the fuck can anyone suggest it's six of one and half a dozen of the other?

instead of two sides to politics that seems more like the two sides to the media surrounding politics which is not necessarily the same thing.

many people that blog about politics do so because they have strong feeling one way or the other, but that should not represent the party as a whole for either side of the isle.

i wish people did not base their political views off the "news" or anonymous opinions written by a small percentage of the public, but rather from the politicians that are in charge of the party as a whole or the politicians that represent them.

How the fuck can anyone suggest it's six of one and half a dozen of the other?

Because partisans (both sides) see what they want to see

Along those lines, redneck, the liberals claim to be all inclusive and welcome everyone with open arms. But when it comes down to it the truth is actually they welcome those who toe their line. If you disagree with the, they want nothing to do with you.

You, and your use of the word "cuntservative" is a great example.

(not sure where the italics showed up) As an evangelical I think I can credibly speak to Beck and, for that matter, any number of other public "preachers" in the media - to include Billy Graham.

Too often a "feel good" brand of Christianity is taught by those wishing to cast a wide net. I've written about this over the years. There's more to being a Christian than loving others and being a good person. And that's where public preachers seem to end - they preach the truth, but not the whole truth. The whole truth includes a real repentance from sin... and accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. The whole truth includes that there's a hell as well as a heaven... and that's something rarely put forth in public for fear of being deemed "judgemental."

Billy Graham's been a great evangelist over the years. He pretty much stops at talking the gloom and doom of a failure to turn to Christ. To his credit, he's historically encouraged you to have that sort of talk with a local preacher.

I very, very rarely get the chance to hear Beck. I assume he's not putting himself out there as a preacher, but rather as a Christian imploring others to follow Scripture. What, exactly, is he preaching? (I haven't paid enough attention to know) I 'suspect' he's imploring us to be accountable for our actions... to pray for our nation/leaders.

He's not out there explaining the plan of salvation. And that, I suspect, makes some evangelicals nervous... that perhaps somehow he's seeking to become the "voice" of Christianity. I have no problem with someone preaching the Gospel despite having a checkered background. The Bible is replete with God using some of the least of us as examples to glorify Him.

"The Bible is replete with God using some of the least of us as examples to glorify Him. "

Amen, Oorhah!

Nice post!!

You libs have done a hell of a job Brownie. Brilliant plan using hate and ignorance to combat hate and ignorance.

#37 | Posted by crispee_oc

gotta Link? or more BS as usual

#43: Much as I hate to take issue with a professed man of God (or even an evangelical headbanger such as yourself) Get a frigging grip! Glenn Beck, random example, has cited a leading American Nazi of the 30s as 'one of us'. He's an ignorant, racist prick. If you think for one moment God may be channeling thru him, just quit pretending and hang up your tambourine (or your snake or your leopardskin wrapped gourd or whatever other prop you fanatics wave around these days).

I'm sure a smug, judgmental evangelical such as yourself will immediately assume I must be a godless heathen. I'd take issue with that but, frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what you think. You represent the American equivalent of the Taliban. You represent intolerance, hatred, conflict and the perpetuation of iniquity and almost everything sane people would never associate with the word of Christ. Take your Glenn Beck, your Billy Graham and shove them up your self righteous ass.

BTW, OohRah, there sure is more to being a Christian than just being "a good person". But it's a heck of a good start compared with what evangelicals in America represent. Ever read the New Testament? Or do you guys just tear it out and stick with the OT?

RED-
You might be relatively new to the DR. I think if you get some input from others here you might form a different view of me.

Regardless of the messenger - whether it be some preacher, your relative, a friend, or somebody you meet throughout your life... doesn't much matter. What does matter is your relationship with Christ. And that's between you and Him. Not me.

Or it could be Satan.

Oohrah-
re: Regardless of the messenger - whether it be some preacher, your relative, a friend, or somebody you meet throughout your life... doesn't much matter. What does matter is your relationship with Christ. And that's between you and Him. Not me.

#48 | Posted by OohRah at 2010-09-03 11:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right, unless you're talking about Barack Obama and then he's a muslim terrorist and Jesus said so.

pitiful boyd is here for his nightly assigning of positions.

*sigh*

Right, unless you're talking about Barack Obama and then he's a muslim terrorist and Jesus said so.

#50 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-09-03 11:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

pitiful boyd is here for his nightly assigning of positions.

*sigh*

#51 | Posted by goatman at 2010-09-03 11:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sick of those GODDAMN REPUBLICANS calling a Obama a Muslim. JESUS Was a muslim, Obama is a GODDAMN CHRISTIAN! GET IT RIGHT!

DUMMIES!

#52 | Posted by Dick_Black at 2010-09-03 11:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just noting observations, Goatman.

Just noting observations, Goatman.

I don't think anyone really cares about the fantasies you "observe", boyd. But I could be wrong.

"Some Evangelicals Leery of Beck"

Some?
Oh, please, it's gotta be more than "some".

And they're not the only ones...

#48 | POSTED BY OOHRAH
"I think if you get some input from others here you might form a different view of me."

Hear, hear! Well said.

Although, in Red's defense, he was not exactly out-of-bounds for the DR, hehehe.

On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't mention Billy Graham and Glenn Beck in the same sentence.

I travel and have spoken to plenty of people in Europe, Asia and Africa who are not stupid. But the general consensus, at least in my experience, is that they assume the assholes who are most watched on TV in the US represent popular opinion.

#22 | Posted by redneckliberal at 2010-09-03 07:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doubtful.

I actually have traveled around the world and have lived in different countries.

People by and large have no idea who people are like Beck, Limbaugh, Sharpton, etc. They know about Paris Hilton and Sean Penn. Here in Taiwan there's an Obama lookalike who sells cellphones on TV.

But that's about it.

But let's extend RedClown's logic for a moment .........

Ahmadinejad said, "The Zionists are groups of hypocrite racists who have been operating under the pretext of following Jewish religion principles."

Israel, he said, was fabricated by the West to promote their colonialist scheme through a materialistic agenda in the new world.

He blasted the recent direct Israeli-Palestinian talks, saying, "Only the Palestinians can decide about their own lands, not foreign powers," and accused the Middle East moderators who have been engaged in direct talks with Israeli officials of being accomplices in Israel's atrocities against Palestinians.

How silly is that?

#6 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Know your enemy.

Know your enemy.

I find it very difficult to call a two bit TV huckster an enemy

Wake up Goat. Someday you will have to take a side. If you are not against him then you are for him. If it goes on the way it is it may even become violent. You don't see this?

He is for him.

Wow. You assume the rest of the world is that dumb? I think people are smarter than you give them credit for and see Rush and Beck for what they are.

#15 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

I am part of this rest. I see quite well what those people and their followers are.

I am part of this rest. I see quite well what those people and their followers are.

I think most people do in spite of what dethspud and redneckliberal say

I think most people do in spite of what dethspud and redneckliberal say

I do not know what most people think, I see it the way dethspud and redneckliberal say.

#50... (BET)
I don't know, BET. Jesus not only would call Obama a Mooslim, also the anti-Christ. I mean, we all know He was a Republican, albeit a RINO. snark

#58... (THETOM)
I realize you weren't being critical, but I put Beck and Graham in the same sentence as an attempt to identify what many might consider to be the two most polar opposites. And that, no matter who is doing the public "preaching" there will always be those who can criticize the messenger for not providing the "whole" story.

Come to think of it, politicians are much like that. It's a rare day when they not only talk of the need for voter sacrifice, but also cast votes which (in many cases) will serve to alienate a very large segment of society. Pols on both sides preach the "Good News" gospel to voters while, oft times, leaving out the sacrifice and consequence of such a path.

So the dude shot a couple of days ago in the Discovery building was a closet republican and just pretended he liked Al Gore?

That dude was an environmental whackjob to be sure.

One who thought Discovery channel's lack of programming on evolution was a cause worth taking up arms for.

The bullet that ended his life, ironically enuff, won him a Darwin Award.

There are whackjobs on all sides of the political aisle.

Nobody is questioning that.

That all noted the Dicovery channel whackjob certainly doesn't have the massive nationwide bully pulpit of Boo Hoo Becky or Rush sLimeball.

Ergo yer analogy is inapt once again.

Also: That you would show up on a political blog site and try to tell someone a political demagogue like Beck or Limbaugh aint worth paying attention to seems more than a little silly to Spud.

Be Well.

When conservative religious people finally catch on to how the Republican party is playing them like a cheap guitar, they are going to go nuts. I am patiently waiting, in gleeful anticipation, for this happening. It's gonna be great!

JOHN-
Abortion is the issue. If you see the Republican party join the Democratic party in a pro-choice stance you'll get your wish.

A related question, then... where would social conservatives turn? Would the Democratic party try to bring them in? What, if anything, would you be comfortable with in terms of Dems modifying their message to embrace guys like me?

"Abortion is the issue. If you see the Republican party join the Democratic party in a pro-choice stance you'll get your wish."

Ooey continues to live, using the word loosely, in a barefoot-and-pregnant world, one of Kinder, Kirche und Kuche where women stay in their burquas and are not allowed to speak up in church. Things go more to Ooey's liking in Taliban country. herm

First of all, most Christians strive for godly discernment, to determine who is a liar and who is the real deal; Jesus and scripture warn us MANY places to do that.

Second of all, it doesn't take much discernment at all to realize Glenn Beck, his religion aside, is batshiat crazy, conspiracy-theory minded, and alarmist.

He also seems to be, like Sarah Palin, an unfulfilled media whore.

KIRK -
I can agree with your first point and, for the most part, your second. And while I'm not elevating Beck to the heights of some people in the Bible I would like to make a couple of points.

1. The old saying, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day." Regardless of what one may think of Beck's temperment, his background, his conspiracy-theory, etc... that doesn't necessarily disqualify him from being correct.

2. God frequently used people who were considered "crazy" or "dirty" or "low class" to spread the Gospel. That hundreds of thousands showed up in DC certainly had an impact on those in attendance and, by extension, the news coverage brought faith into the national debate, albeit perhaps only for a brief news cycle.

I'd urge any and all to read some of the actual recorded history of the LDS.

It is FULL of lies and cover-ups; the only recorded incident of whites massacring whites is the Mormon-led Mountain Meadows Massacre. Deplorable.

ANYONE who has dealt with LDS folks has witnessed them "lying for the Lord."

Theologically, look up what "Mormon" means. Use a dictionary to look up, or in the Book of Satan, under the list of demonic spirts, "Mormo/mormon."

The LDS church actively hides its history (anything from blacks are cursed and can"t be LDS priests, until 1977!--to the Mountain Meadows Massacre--to blatant chanhes in the Book of Mormon).

Christians, which Mormons also until 1977 didn't call themselves, self-police pretty well. The Ted Haggards of the world aren't given much lattitude--you should see the near-universal condemnation of the Christian community after his comeback. And the bad stuff like the Crusades, we neither try to justify NOR cover-up.

I'd trust an abortionist or their lover with the blood of innocents on their hands (read "herm") before I'd trust a Mormon. I have centuries of documented history to justify my mistrust.

Oohrah, good point.

Apparently there's some story out there I haven't read yet of Christian leaders saying the church has punted about standing for righteousness, and therefore God raised up someone like Glenn Beck.

1)
Churches are OFTEN very politically active, sometimes to a fault--a big fault being THEY DON'T REACH THE LOST. I was an actual communist, until I gave my life to Jesus in college. NOBODY even tried to persuade me politically, yet I changed my beliefs quickly, doing nothing other than reading and praying.

2)
I think, and imagine it will be clear soon, that Glenn Beck is trying to do a "bait and swtich"--an often used LDS tactic.

I've had LDS missionaries tell me 2 completely different stories (a lie) within a 45 minute conversation one time, and within a 5 minute conversation another time.

Their religion, due to historical facts, is suspect.

And I'm no hypocrite. If someone wants to accuse me "secretly" trying to convert them or undermine Roe V Wade, I tell them the truth--I DEFINITELY am!
If someone wouldn't vote for a Christian because they think they'll support a hidden prolife agenda, I'd say they're probably correct no to.

I'm generally very charitable with those who belief, religiously or politically. But Mormons are like child molesters; their recidivism rates and proven unreliability are so high they're BOUND to be violators, practically.

When conservative religious people finally catch on to how the Republican party is playing them like a cheap guitar, they are going to go nuts. I am patiently waiting, in gleeful anticipation, for this happening. It's gonna be great!

#69 | Posted by john47 at 2010-09-04 08:27 AM | Reply | Flag: ?

JOHN-
Abortion is the issue.
#70. Oohrah

Absolutely.
I have a hard time seeing what the GOP has actually accomplished prolife-wise since 1973 though...

But Dems are never going to be the alternative for a prolifers.
Their list of prolife Democrats who switched when they had national political ass-pirations is a who's who list: Clinton, Gore, Jesse Jackson, Dick Gephardt...

#59 Vernon: You're wrong. Wish you weren't, but you're wrong. Because the average American knows so little about politics (history, geography, etc.), it's easy to assume people in other countries are equally under-informed. But they ain't. Try playing the "who can name most US presidents" in, say, Germany or France for instance and you'll probably lose. Even in Morocco where illiteracy is even more common than here in Texas(!) and the culture so alien, the average Joe (or Muhammed) on the street knows waaaay more than you'd think about the US and other countries. Go play chess in a cafe and listen to guys in djellabas reeling off the lineups for English league soccer teams, the Dallas Cowboys, plots of Beverly Hills 90210 episodes... all kinds of weird sh*t. And, of course, they know about our media idiots - especially the ones who attack them because word gets around. Like I said, a guy in Morocco asked me why I as an American would want to kill him for being Muslim. Doesn't take Interpol to figure that mystery out. Why would he say that? 1) American media demagogue rants about Islam to whip up fear and boost ratings 2) News show in Muslim country picks up comments and rebroadcasts rant to whip up fear and boost ratings 3) Guys in Muslim country see news and understandably decide they like America a little less.

So while Beck and Limp-baugh keep spouting off and shoveling money into the bank, how come you conservative guys never stop and wonder how their opinionated blathering actually effects America's image abroad? Sure, you might not give a fuck what Johnny Foreigner thinks... but being hated abroad makes things unsafe for Americans (or are the ones who pretend they're Canadian when traveling just crazy?) and impacts trade. Really, being as money is your bottom line, don't you ever stop to wonder how much money is lost by America when countries who view us negatively decide to buy sh*t elsewhere? Wouldn't it be a good idea to not talk so much smack about other countries and maybe get a little safer, more respect and a bit more prosperous? Just a thought. Remember them things..?

I can largely share your views on Mormons, certainly from the standpoint that they will obfuscate to hide inconvenient truths.

Earlier I'd mentioned (maybe on a different thread) I rarely listen to Beck. I also only caught very very limited coverage of the recent DC event. That said, is Beck really trying to convert us to Mormonism on a large scale in the way folks who walk our neighborhoods do? If he's preaching falsehoods, then he should be called to account. If he's simply saying we should be more prayerful and better husbands, wives, etc., then I would agree with that sentiment whether it's coming from Beck, Billy Graham or that crazed Mooslim Barack Obama. snark

I don't share what I perceive to be your views on the evils of the individual Mormon who might knock on my door. Brainwashed, misguided... yes. To that extent (and I know this will tick off others) I would lump Mormons in with all other faiths that bastardize Scripture. This includes Islam, Catholicism and many others. Doesn't make them bad people... or violent people... it's just that they've bought into a lie based on my reading and understanding of Scripture.

That's their business to do that... and they'd probably say the same thing about me as an evangelical. To each his own, just as long as neither them (nor I) desire to put a gun to their head if they don't see eye to eye with me.

#70: Oohrararah: Abortion is the issue

RED-
We disagree... and you've put forth a strawman argument to support yourself Really, is this the only issue you ponder when you head to the polling station? Don't you give a shit about, I don't know, schools, jobs, taxes, etc.?

Both parties... both ideological sides... they care about schools, jobs, taxes, etc. As a conservative religious voter I care about those things - just you, as someone with different political views - also cares. We may disagree on specific goals and the means by which we arrive there, but both care about those topics.

Here's the topic to which I responded: When conservative religious people finally catch on to how the Republican party is playing them like a cheap guitar, they are going to go nuts...

The overwhelming primary issue which differentiates the Rep & Dem parties for "conservative religious" people is abortion. Hands down.

#80: you still don't make sense. You people have been voting against your own interests for years chasing Republican candidates who convince you they're gonna strike down Roe v. Wade. This doesn't make you sound like you care about schools, jobs, taxes or anything else. What will you do, for instance, when you're faced with a teabagger candidate who wants to abolish social security, pile trillions on the deficit by extending the Bush tax cuts and generally make things harder for working people BUT is solidly "pro-life"?

RED-
First of all, I appreciate that you want to engage in dialogue - absent the usual crap we both read on here so often.

I've stated in the past that while I'm a Christian conservative, I'm also a fiscal conservative. Typically, IMO, if you're the former you're also pretty much the latter as well. It doesn't work the other way around. There are plenty of fiscal conservatives who want nothing to do with the social side of politics.

I've also said I'm not a "single issue" voter. While I'd love to see all pols share the exact same view as I do on every issue, I realize that's not going to happen. So I vote for either someone who I really think will largely support my views OR I hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. Just being honest with you, RED.

In your hypothetical scenario in #81 I would probably vote for that person, although I don't accept your premises - but I'll go along with it. His "pro-life" stance would only be a component. I would want to see a shrinking gov't largesse... we do need to ask some very difficult questions regarding SS... and boosting taxes isn't the answer - reducing spending is. As for making things tougher on working people, if I fully understood your implication we could debate it.

As for people voting against their own interests - you cite folks like me doing so. I admit it's a hot button issue which draws emotion and $$$ to the party. To overturn a SCOTUS decision is a mighty task, yet I think we've seen some chipping away of that decision over the years. So there has been progress.

Let me ask you... Dems promise to the poor, the minorities, etc... for decades has been that they're there for them. With blacks voting nearly 90% Dem... with unions largely backing Dems... how is it that the black family is in tatters, poverty remains, unions have declined, the gap between "rich" and "poor" has increased, the education system (another big Dem supporter) is churning out students less and less able to compete with students from other nations. I could go on, but it's hardly Christian conservatives who've been sold a bill of goods, wouldn't you agree?

Geez--I guess we know how Kirk feels..

As for Redneck liberal--isn't that an oxymoron?? ;o)

So Beck used to be a Catholic and then converted to Mormon.

The Mormons have some history skeletons--just like Christians.

We are waiting for Islam to have it's reformation period and get rid of the jidahist mentality.

The rally was about God--a good thing at this time. And there was no politics--that is why many in the MSM are scratching their heads trying to figure this out.

Why not just accept the rally at face value--a bunch of folks getting together and talking about God and the founding fathers?

I've heard the Democrats' position on poverty equated with the Republican's position on abortion before as if they're each party's 'bait-and-switch' issue to motivate their respective bases. But it ain't the same.

"For ye have the poor always with you" I heard somewhere... but standards of living and opportunities for the poor do and can be improved incrementally under Democrat (and, I'd give Nixon credit, some Republican admins).

But abortion is either legal or it's not - there can't be incremental change. What have Republicans done to make you guys happy on abortion? Roe v. Wade passed into law under a Republican chief justice and a majority Republican Supreme Court. Roe v. Wade was brought to court, argued and decided under a Republican administration. It was still legal after two terms of 'pro-life' Reagan. It's still legal after two terms of 'pro-life' Bush.

A Democrat could hold up the civil rights act, the minimum wage, free public education, the 8-hr work day, compulsory overtime pay, Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, equal pay, blah blah as examples of Democrats working toward eliminating poverty. But what could a Republican hold up to demonstrate their commitment to ending abortion?

gotta Link? or more BS as usual

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-09-03 10:25 PM

Jesse, Al, Luis, Julian, Jealous, Dyson... Need a link?

RED-
Fair enough. Let's look at the differences. Abortion - or at least each state's ability to set its own limits - was removed from legislators' control by the SCOTUS. So, to "reverse that wrong" we'd either need to see the SCOTUS overturn a past ruling OR pass a Constitutional amendment.

Both of those scenarios are HIGHLY unlikely. Would you agree?

Yet we've seen legislative inroads made regarding late term abortion... parental consent, etc. And, frankly, we've seen a shift in public opinion regarding abortion. So while abortion isn't "illegal" I think we've seen a change in peoples' hearts regarding it as well as some legislative victories along the way. A partial loaf is better than none. Should we/I, as a pro-lifer, give up? Should you, as perhaps a gay marriage supporter, simply give up because it's illegal? No. And no.

Regarding eliminating poverty. A media narrative for generations is that Dems really care about the poor, the disadvantaged, etc. And so, they get accolades for "caring and trying" - even if the legislative action hasn't achieved its purpose. So yes, those are things which have passed in the past - with bipartisan support for the most part. How much of that was instituted in the past 40 years, though? And that's my point... Dems preach how much they care and, for the majority of the past 40 years, have controlled Congress... yet what's the plight of the very people they profess to "support?"

As for Redneck liberal--isn't that an oxymoron?? ;o)

#83 | Posted by MURPHY

Heard a good one this morning:

You're a redneck if you use a bar stool as a walker.

AU--you shouldn't have ...

Ya might be a Redneck if.....
...You think the nutcracker is somethin you did off the high dive.
...You wont stop at a rest area if you have a empty beer can in the car.
...You think Iraq is top-of-the-line Camaro.
...Your spring wardrabe mostly involves scissors.
...you know atleast 6 ways to bend a baseball cap.
...you own a lava lamp thats over 5 feet tall.
...there are more than 10 cats livin under your trailer.
...you've ever thrown up in a squad car.
...your frist bra was a Wonderbra.
...you've ever had to appear in court due to your dogs.
...You think Thunderbird is an acceptable wine choice with a bean burrito.
...your grandma enters wet t-shrit contests.
...your local grocery store also has a few pool tables.
...your septic tank is the subject of a petition.
...you have ever tried to use food stamps to mail a watermelon.
...you had to hitchhike on your honeymoon.
...your car and its motor are more than ten feet apart.
...stealing road signs is a family outing.
...your brother-in-law is also your uncle.
...you sent out birth announcements for your new puppies.
...you've changed a diaper on a Denny's table.
...you've ever named a child for a good dog.
...your T.V. is on 24-7.
...your last keg party included a couple of 911 calls.
...you have to mow around a refridgeator and a bed frame.
...you've ever taken a date flowers you stole from a cemetery.
...Everyone in the house learns somthing from the potty training videotape.
...Diners change tables when your family sits near them.
...your prom dress was knitted.
...you were born with a plastic spoon in your mouth.
...your bridal veil was made of window screen.
...you think people who have elictricty are uppity.
...your college graduation ceremony includes parallel parking an 18-wheeler.
...the Marlboro man is your idol.
...all your golf balls come in egg cartons.

lol

Thanks MURPHY!

Gave me a good chuckle.

"You might be a redneck if you refer to 7th grade as your 'senior year'.

Hope you have a nice holiday weekend.

"...your grandma enters wet t-shrit contests. "

Ewwwwwwwwwwww! LOL

Now that's some funny sh*t there... I don't care who you are... I'm tellin ya.

#89: Murphy has his rednecks confused with his white trash. Redneck is a choice, white trash is an affliction. Redneck is aspirational, white trash is where you land. A redneck wouldn't spell 'electricity' as 'electricty', white trash probably would...

All your Jeff Foxworthy knock-offs really apply to white trash. Bu just in the spirit of the thread:

You know you're a redneck when your shed is bigger than your house.

Damn! bitchin' about spelling then missing the 't' of 'but'. Oh well.

Oh...

You know you're a redneck when all your dogs have names but some of your kids don't.

Damn! bitchin' about spelling then missing the 't' of 'but'. Oh well.

Oh...

You know you're a redneck when all your dogs have names but some of your kids don't.

"...You think Iraq is top-of-the-line Camaro. "