Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, September 02, 2010

Salon.Com: Almost 50 years ago, the GOP embraced the backlash generated by civil rights among white Southerners ... It's an inconvenient story for today's GOP, which uses cultural, racial and ethnic wedge issues to keep its base in line -- but also needs less conservative suburbanites across the country to compete in national elections. It's particularly inconvenient for Mississippi governor Haley Barbour, who aspires to run as the GOP nominee against the nation's first black president. So Barbour's invented his own sanitized, suburb-friendly version of history -- andit's utter nonsense.

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As Kornacki points out:

It's understandable why Barbour doesn't like to talk about this -- and why most national Republicans would rather ignore it. The South is critical to them, and their support in that region comes almost exclusively from white voters. But to be a national party -- and to win the White House -- requires votes from educated suburbanites outside the South who have a strong distaste for racial politics. Thus, the party takes pains every four years to showcase as many black Republicans as it can at its national convention -- a message not so much to black voters but to white suburbanites who want reassurance that they're not voting for a Goldwater party.

Hell, they appointed a black man to be head of the RNC, what more do you want.

Wealthy whites of either party don't want to live next door to people of other races. They generally don't have any friends who are non-white. They aren't racist in theory, but they also won't let their kids go to school with "those people."

White Democrats are more concerned about appearing to not be racist than Republicans. In that way, Republicans are more honest about their bigotry.

In that way, Republicans are more honest about their bigotry.

#3 | Posted by TylerDurden

White people have nothing to feel guilty about.
The MSM is promoting a "white guilt/hating" agenda.

People of every race naturally (like happens in nature) prefer to be with those of their own kind. Humans are familiar creatures who do things via habit. There are conclusive studies which prove this (do your own research).

Those in the media who wish to stir up "racial" discord should be pointed out and called to task.

They have an agenda to divide the white/black races and are usually of another group altogether.

"People of every race naturally (like happens in nature) prefer to be with those of their own kind."

Hate to break it to you Sluggo, there's only one kind, they're called humans.

EVERYTHING about the GOP stinks when it comes to their penchant for re writing history.

Todays Quiz:

What was the predominant political party of the KKK?

If you answered "Democrat", you are correct. Move on to the next question.

What was the politcal party of Abraham Lincoln?

If answered "Republican", congratulations. Move onto the next question.

What modern party lies to people of color, promising, promising in order to get votes, yet never delivering because for them, race-baiting is an Industry?

If you answered "Democrats", congratulations. Move on to the next question.

Which political party immediately defaults to racist terms like "Uncle Tom" when a person of color refused to fall in line and parrot their lies?

If you answered "Democrats", congratulations.......

None of which addresses the abuses of FIFTY YEARS AGO.

WHO got civil rights legislation PASSED.

IF you answered DEM you are correct.

HALEY BARBOUR is a GREAT example of a republican who lies, then re writes history to cover those lies.

Great Example is when he claimed Medicare reform in the 1990's would not take ONE penny away from recipients.

today's parties are completely different from the past.

the parties of Lincoln, or even Jefferson if you want to go back that far, were brought up to believe different things as it was a different time period.

democrat shot up with JFK and those poorer people that wanted and needed government help.

when it began it did not involve race but income was more the guiding factor.

"What modern party lies to people of color, promising, promising in order to get votes, yet never delivering because for them, race-baiting is an Industry?"

We never passed Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, etc.????

Now which party keeps telling you they will outlaw abortion????

and never delivers???

Smaller government???

and never delivers???

Fiscal Responsibility???

and never delivers???

#7 | Posted by Lon_Seong

Strom Thurmond wanted me to tell you that you're a fucking idiot.

Don't take that wrong.

Ok, Ok. So you didn't do so well on the Quiz. Here's an extra credit question.

Which party was overwhelmingly supportive of the 1964 Civil Rights Bill, but whose critical role in this historic legislation is now swept under the rug for rank political purposes.

If you answered "Republicans". You're correct! Actual vote tallys below are in (Yes-no) format.

Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%–39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[12]

Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)
The Senate version:[11]

Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[11]

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)

Thurmond was increasingly at odds with the Democratic Party. On September 16, 1964, he switched his party affiliation to Republican. He played an important role in South Carolina's support for Republican presidential candidates Barry Goldwater in 1964 and Richard Nixon in 1968. South Carolina and other states of the Deep South had supported the Democrats in every national election from the end of Reconstruction to 1960. However, discontent with the Democrats' increasing support for civil rights resulted in John F. Kennedy barely winning the state in 1960. After Kennedy's assassination, Lyndon Johnson's strong support for the Civil Rights Act and integration angered white segregationists even more. Goldwater won South Carolina by a large margin in 1964.

In 1968, Richard Nixon ran the first GOP "Southern strategy" campaign appealing to disaffected southern white voters. Although segregationist Democrat George Wallace was on the ballot, Nixon ran slightly ahead of him and gained South Carolina's electoral votes. Due to the antagonism of white South Carolina voters towards the national Democratic Party, Hubert Humphrey received less than 30% of the total vote, carrying only majority black districts.

#7 | POSTED BY LON_SEONG

Todays Quiz (A little more honestly answered):

What was the predominant political party of the KKK?

Southern White Conservatives; who now overwhelmingly vote GOP.

What was the politcal party of Abraham Lincoln?

White Liberals; who now overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

What modern party lies to people of color, promising, promising in order to get votes, yet never delivering because for them, race-baiting is an Industry?

Both parties.

Which political party immediately defaults to racist terms like "Uncle Tom" when a person of color refused to fall in line and parrot their lies?

Both parties. Although the Republicans also like some other choice names.

Face it Lon, you can cite to old party lines and beliefs, but the truth is simpler: the GOP is no longer the party of Lincoln nor a party open to civil rights discussions. It's a different party now; a southern white ultra conservative party.

#7 | Posted by Lon_Seong at 2010-09-02 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag: DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE

Well at least we can understand why Barbour attempts to re-write history.

Fucking retards like LON fall for it.

"There goes the South for a generation."
President Lyndon Johnson
Signing 1964 Civil Rights Act

Aside from underestimating the period of time involved, right on target as to cause.

Of course, it was Lincoln who believed in government of, by, and for We the People.

Today's GOP thinks that is Commie talk.

"Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose - and you allow him to make war at pleasure."

"Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"

"Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties. "

Fucking liberal.........

Did one of you wing-nuts actually just invoke Lincoln as believing in Government by WE THE PEOPLE, implying you are the modern incarnate of that sentiment?

Puh-leeeze.

Your party has been co-opted by BIG-GOVERNMENT "PROGRESSIVES" (now there's an oxymoron) for whom all problems, all grievances, all challenges real or fabricated have but one solution: continuing to grow the bloated Government. The same cumbersome beauracracy that exists in parasitic relationship with the real free market.

WE THE PEOPLE are catching onto your little reindeer games. It's not about people at all, but political power.

WE THE PEOPLE can see which party looks at skin color first and character second. Not surprising given your history.

WE THE PEOPLE no longer believe you. Power to the Federal Government is NOT the same as power to the people.

Simply re-packaging your all-resistance-to-Socialism-
is-racist argument just makes you look desperate.

Your arrogance and reflexive name calling invites the popular backlash you are now experiencing.

Shall we continue our Quiz?

Hell, they appointed a black man to be head of the RNC, what more do you want.

#2 | Posted by danni

I wanted just one republican to support the civil rights legslation. If just only one would have the world would be different now.

Ok, but just one more extra credit question, then I have to move on:

What do the following persons have in common?

- Franklin Delano Roosevelt
- Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt
- Ex-Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd
- Rev. Jesse Jackson
- Rev. Al Sharpten
- Sen. Ernest Hollings
- Lee P. Brown
- Andrew Cuomo
- Dan Rather
- Donna Brazile

a - they are all celebrated democrats

b - they have all made public racist statements and/or taken grossly racist actions

c - they have all had their past sanitized by liberal media to conceal or downplay their notorious racism

d - all the above.

e - They all know that Lon is a fucking retard.

Where's my star?

"I wanted just one republican to support the civil rights legslation. If just only one would have the world would be different now."

Poor Sniper. I pasted the actual vote. Here it is again (below). Let me help with the partculars: what the TABLE is showing, is an average support for the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1964 in the 80's by Republicans and in the 60's by Dems.

Actual vote tallys for 1964 Civil Rights Act in (Yes-no) format.

Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%–39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[12]

Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)
The Senate version:[11]

Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[11]

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)

You're gonna be OK Sniper. A little more reality everyday....baby steps.

How did Strom Thurmond vote?

Pop, there goes your argument!

Lon, it is convenient to post the vote totals, but not the breakdown by both party AND region of the country.

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

Care to guess how many of those Southern Democrats turned into Southern Republicans immediately following passage of the Civil Rights Act?

His argument is now moot Hand.

Strom Thurmond blows his entire argument to shreds.

True story, but just in case. One last quiz question for Lon. Which party's candidate for President in 1964, Democrat or Republican, ran against the Civil Rights Act of 1964? I'll give you a hint...his last name began with "G" and ended with "oldwater"

SO Salon gets a whiff that Haley might be thinking of running for POTUS and what do they do?

Try to paint him a racist.

What the hell is wrong with the left?

And why don't you name the friggin DEMOCRATS who voted NO to the Civil Rights bill???

You want to jump up and down over Strom the dead guy's vote???

Good grief!

From the article:
"And why did Barbour join the GOP? "I don't know what possessed me, other than my oldest brother came home from the Army a Goldwater Republican in 1965." In other words, his brother -- a member of Barbour's generation, the generation that supposedly didn't see race -- left the Democratic Party just as LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, just as the Republicans nominated a civil rights opponent for president, and just as almost every white Mississippi voter crossed party lines to vote for that civil rights foe and brought young Haley along with him. But race had nothing to do with it!"

en.wikipedia.org
"In the 1964 presidential campaign, Goldwater ran a conservative campaign which broadly opposed strong action by the federal government. Although he had supported all previous federal civil rights legislation, Goldwater made the decision to oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964.[20] His stance was based on his view that the act was an intrusion of the federal government into the affairs of states and, second, that the Act interfered with the rights of private persons to do business, or not, with whomever they chose."

The truth contradicts the author's assumptions that it's about race.


#7 | Posted by Lon_Seong at 2010-09-02 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag: DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE

#15 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at

But the article makes assumptions too. But those are wrong.


e - They all know that Lon is a fucking retard.

Where's my star?

#23 | Posted by Manypaths

If retard means that he made the Libbies into liars and retards, I guess he's a retard. But, I would use another word for Lon because we can't use that word to describe you and Lon.

You're gonna be OK Sniper. A little more reality everyday....baby steps.

#24 | Posted by Lon_Seong at 2010-09-02 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag: SLOW ON THE UPTAKE

Another Duckie potential Libbie circle jerk thread SHUT DOWN!!!


You're gonna be OK Sniper. A little more reality everyday....baby steps.

#24 | Posted by Lon_Seong at 2010-09-02 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag: SLOW ON THE UPTAKE

#33 | Posted by mOntecOre

He's new here. He hasn't seen Sniper in full play yet.

Care to guess how many of those Southern Democrats turned into Southern Republicans immediately following passage of the Civil Rights Act?

#26 | Posted by LearnedHand

so what?

"so what?"

So what?!?

So pretending those Republicans have anything in common with today's Republicans is silly.

pretending those Republicans have anything in common with today's Republicans is silly.

#37 | Posted by Danforth

I completely agree Danforth today's Republicans are the equivalent of the Democrats of yesteryear and the current crop of Democrats make the European Socialists look quaint.

"The truth contradicts the author's assumptions that it's about race."

Seriously eddie, you're one dumb mother fucker. You're basically LarryMohr with typing skills.

#32 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2010-08-31 05:26 PM

===
You are the stupidest person on the Drudge Retort. You are dumber than BL2 with a lobotomy. You are dumber than JeffNDenmark on stupid pills. You are so dumb that nobody, not even rightwingers, want to be sided with you in an argument. You are so dumb that most of the time it makes readers want to cry.

YES. LET THERE BE NO CONFUSION ON THIS POINT. YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

#30 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-08-31 05:22 PM

Others say it with much more finesse than I could certainly muster.

"Hell, they appointed a black man to be head of the RNC, what more do you want."
#2 | Posted by danni

ROFLMAO!!! Pot meet kettle.

"He's new here. He hasn't seen Sniper in full play yet.
#35 | Posted by Eddie"

Some of us are quicker on the uptake than others, Special Eddie. In case you are wondering, you are one of the others.

#10 | Posted by danni

Democrats

Both

Neither

Both

Both

How did I do?

"today's Republicans are the equivalent of the Democrats of yesteryear "

Nonsense. Today's Republicans are a bunch of ninnies. Some of the Democrats of yesteryear, as well as some of the Republicans, were statesmen and leaders. All we have today are politicians.

God you make 'em squeal Eddie. Look at the name calling!

You're like sunshine on vampires.

Ya know it's really important to the BIG GOV liberals to rope you into endless circular arguments about WHO should be taxed, WHO is racist, and on and on and on.

Otherwise the discussion might turn to the failure of Socialism and the destructiveness of endless Government growth, the fact that parasitic Government is finally killing its free-sector host.

They're all advocates of giant oppressive Government, but can't say that outright. The folly of the stance is just too obvious.

Cutting through their diversions in a sentence or two. Man, you must really poke their sore spots.


God you make 'em squeal Eddie. Look at the name calling!

#44 | Posted by Lon_Seong

I know. You slap them down with honest facts and they squirm and call you names and then whine about Bush for an hour.

It's pathetic.

Interestingly, Ed, you are the only person who has mentioned Bush in this entire thread.

And I don't think Bush is a racist. But I do think that using Lincoln in any sort of discussion of modern Republicans displays ignorance of history and shifts within the parties. Whatever. It's been fun watching the sparks fly on this one. Y'all have a good time.

#39 | Posted by Hans

Another Duckie potential Libbie circle jerk thread SHUT DOWN!!!

And the Libbie's hate me for it as you demonstrate.

I'm not racist I have had sex with women of all different colors. I prefer Mexican prostitutes but a black one suits me perfectly fine. All I really care about is getting a reasonable price.

All I really care about is getting a reasonable price.

#48 | Posted by jackass

So you exploit your workers yet criticize how I treat mine?

And I don't think Bush is a racist.
#46 | Posted by pragmatist

I don't think he is either and I never said he was.

So you exploit your workers yet criticize how I treat mine?

#49 | Posted by mysterytoy

They are not my workers. I am their client.

They are not my workers. I am their client.

#51 | Posted by jackass

You are paying them as little as possible to do exactly what you want them to. Sounds to me like they are working for you.

"Another Duckie potential Libbie circle jerk thread SHUT DOWN!!!"

Word salad.

Your workers rely on you for their salary. If they refuse an order from you then you can terminate them. If they refuse my offer they move on to the next client. There is a big difference.

"Word salad."

Roquefort or blue cheese?

Your workers rely on you for their salary. If they refuse an order from you then you can terminate them. If they refuse my offer they move on to the next client. There is a big difference.

#54 | Posted by jackass

I fail to see the difference and so do you. You just can't stand losing an argument.

Anyone else here see Jackass as an employer that is exploiting his worker, paying them as little as possible with no benefits?

Anyone else here see Jackass as an employer that is exploiting his worker, paying them as little as possible with no benefits?

#56 | Posted by mysterytoy

Nope. Free Enterprise.

However, legalize prostitution and you get all KINDS of regulation. Price goes way up, prostitute gets minimum wage.

Nope. Free Enterprise.

However, legalize prostitution and you get all KINDS of regulation. Price goes way up, prostitute gets minimum wage.

#57 | Posted by Eddie

So Jackass is just advocating free enterprise?

If Lincoln were alive today, do you seriously believe he'd be a Republican? If you answered No, you're correct. Could anyone seriously believe that? If you answered No, you're correct again!

#57 | Posted by Eddie

So Jackass is just advocating free enterprise?

#58 | Posted by mysterytoy


Yes.

Somethng about Jackass. He's a bluecollar worker who's been surrounded by uneducated Libbies for so long that's all he knows and behaves that way.

He has a computer and access to the Internet and comes to the Retort every day.

Who knows what he'll turn into when he sees different points of view.


If Lincoln were alive today, do you seriously believe he'd be a Republican? If you answered No, you're correct. Could anyone seriously believe that? If you answered No, you're correct again!

#59 | Posted by nimbleswitch

Lincoln would be a Tea Partier hands down.

If you argue with this then you are clueless about the tea party and probably get your news from a racist web organization like: www.teapartytracker.org

If Lincoln were alive today, do you seriously believe he'd be a Republican?

Posted by nimbleswitch at 2010-09-02 09:25 PM | Reply

Prolly not. He would most likely be sending the Army to AZ right now, and not for border security.

Grover Cleveland on the other hand, definitely a repub.

Aren't nonsensical hypothetical irrelevant arguments fun????

Aren't nonsensical hypothetical irrelevant arguments fun????

#62 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

You lost the argument.

How is that fun for you?

If you argue with this then you are clueless about the tea party and probably get your news from a racist web organization like: www.teapartytracker.org

#61 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-09-02 09:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

That site's just creepy... So MediaMatters figured out where MLK fits on beck's board? Gee whiz M&M's you could've... ummm... just watched that episode... he explained pretty clearly where MLK fit on the board.

You lost the argument.

How is that fun for you?

#63 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-09-02 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

How's that, you believe Lincoln was not a Federalist?

You're right, he definitely would've been a "R"epublican.

How's that, you believe Lincoln was not a Federalist?

You're right, he definitely would've been a "R"epublican.

#65 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

Let's hear your argument for him being a Democrat.

How's that, you believe Lincoln was not a Federalist?
#65 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

Agreed. But the Federalist of his day means nothing today. Holding the country together through the 19th century was on every President's top 10 list. Today? no way, so it's difficult to argue that he'd be a Republican from that point of view.

However, Lincoln was shot for NOT being a Federalist.

Interesting you brought that up.

1. Department of Agriculture
2. Revenue Act
3. National Banking Act
4. Railway Acts
5. United States Note

See also Lincoln's views on state sovereignty vs. the anti-federalists at the time of ratification. You can also read up on his views of the Constitution vs. the Declaration of Independence as the guiding document for the government.

No doubt he was a Republican but was not a republican.

No doubt he was a Republican but was not a republican.

#69 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

you need to tell me what you think a (r)epublican is

He was shot for "not" being a federalist?

What the hell was the whole civil war about? It was an exercise in the might of the federal government and its domination over the states. Lincoln admitted as much in his comments at Davis' desk in Richmond declaring that he was the supreme authority of the land!

An example of an anti-federalist would be Jefferson (although he argued with Madison and Hamilton in the Federalist papers), Mason and Henry.

I was not referring to the Federalist party...

'Aren't nonsensical hypothetical irrelevant arguments fun???"

Actually, you can yell about this all you want, Ed, but Sheeple hit the nail on the head.

And I didn't say you said Bush was a racist. I was playing on your apparent beliefs about dems and their name-calling. Never mind--right over your head. It's okay. I don't always understand you either.

I think we are arguing minutia... Whether or not Lincoln would've agreed with Madison, Hamilton, or Jefferson is taking hypothetical irrelevant arguing to a whole new level.

Can't we get back to making fun of libtards?

Oh, thanks for siding with me Prag, there goes my right wing hack membership card!

Ha, Sheep! I know. WTF--it's like the third time in probably as many days that I've read one of your posts and thought, "Yeah, man." Maybe it is I who needs to give up my libtard card.

Never mind--right over your head. It's okay. I don't always understand you either.

#72 | Posted by pragmatist

Yep. Spaghetti talk. It didn't stick.

And I see what Sheeple is talk about it being an irrelevant argument.

Lincoln would have been a flower arranger today, enjoying the brilliance a 150 years makes.

His day he had to struggle literally keeping the country together and fighting the bankers (which they did during reconstruction) at the same time.

Haley Barbour. HIs TPM interview and revisionism is mind boggling. Wow.

The fact checking his story about going to "integrated schools" isn't checking out for him. One more attempt by the GOP to "reclaim" the Civil Rights movement. One more part of their agenda to rewrite all of American history.

Too bad people that experienced it are still alive or this blatant lying might slide by.

Excuse me, his "Human Events" interview. I was reading something else on TPM before reading this thread.

One more attempt by the GOP to "reclaim" the Civil Rights movement.
#77 | Posted by YAV

Calm down, YAV.

Glenn Beck is "reclaiming" the Civil Rights movement.

Too bad people that experienced it are still alive or this blatant lying might slide by.

#77 | Posted by YAV

I lived through it and, yes, it used to be horrible for blacks in the South where I grew up. I saw what I saw, heard what I heard and I still get sad and angry.

Somehow, I think you have no clue.

{yawn}

Another victory for me. Mystery Meat please admit your defeat.


Another victory for me. Mystery Meat please admit your defeat.

#82 | Posted by jackass

I don't think so...

exploiting his worker, paying them as little as possible with no benefits?

#56 | Posted by mysterytoy

WHAT? Doesn't he provide them with a retirement package? How about healthcare and unemployment bennifits? You would think a good lib would provide all thoes things.

WTF? Every program that the DEMS embrace is bad for the minority class which they claim to represent so well!

AFDC ruined the low income family, so they needed Medicaid and more food stamps and the path is laid for endless benefits from the working mans pockets. Thru taxes demanded at gun point from those who live right and play by acceptable rules.

And lets not speak ill of the dead, but Sheets Byrd was a clansman, the south was ruled by Wallace democrats and rascist Gore-like Senators who filibustered the Civil rights bill. Are you now claiming that these evil men (who mentored Bill Clinton) were justified? Just say it. You F----ng hypocrites with law degrees, think because you say something it is true! How E. Kennedy of you!

the south was ruled by Wallace democrats and rascist Gore-like Senators who filibustered the Civil rights bill.

Most of the segregation supporting, racist Dems switched parties over the issue and became Republicans.

Nixon, then Reagan after him, then adopted the xenophobic and racist populist rhetoric of Wallace and thus the Southern Strategy and the modern Republican party was born.

[The more you know.jpg]

Be Well.

The GOP and race? ....nuff said.

yup...The GOP...Fake Plastic People now with a Fake Plastic History.

good on Salon. i'm waiting how many years for Barbour the fade in oblivion?

Its funny how the left is the only side who brings up
race during political discussions. Everyone on the right can talk all day about overspending and deficits and the response from the left is always that they just don't like him because he is black.

"Its funny how the left is the only side who brings up
race during political discussions."

If you qualified that statement somehow, you might be on to something. Might be. As is, it's just dumb. Of course, there are righties who bring up race in political discussions. Some of them even run for or attain office. Lefties too.

" Everyone on the right can talk all day about overspending and deficits and the response from the left is always that they just don't like him because he is black."

Again, sweeping statement alert. EVERYONE on the right. Oh, you said "can"--sure. So everyone on the left CAN talk about blah but blah blah blah. Meaningless. If you want to say that "racist!" is a common response to criticism of Obama or his policies from the right, you'd be right. Just as "socialist!" or "commie!" is a common response to criticism of Republicans or Republican policies or of corporate agendas from the left. Both extremes are stupid. This article is about race, about a Republican's effort to comment on or rewrite racial history. And you're surprised that people are bringing up racism? Jesus, man. Get a clue. If someone posted an article about racism on the part of a Democrat, would you have this reaction? Of course not. You'd say, "Look! Dems are all racist!"

That said, I think leaping to the idea that all Republicans or all critics of Obama are racist is pure stupidity. I think that element is there, sure, but it's not present in every single critic or every single criticism.

If all liberals were as level headed as you, prag, I just might sign up to be one. You are a breath of fresh air amongst many of your cohorts here.

I can agree with PRAG for the most part. I think our perception of any particular group is largely shaped by the media's depiction. (Unless you happened to have actually lived the thing)

So this leads me to some questions - regarding Reps and racism. What role has the media played in promoting such a stereotype? is racism limited to only one party? Does the media depict Reps as racist because they're racist or because it fits a narrative?

White Democrats are more concerned about appearing to not be racist than Republicans. In that way, Republicans are more honest about their bigotry.

#3 | Posted by TylerDurden at 2010-09-02 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Especially when they drag a black person behind their pickup truck until the body comes apart. But hey, a least they're 'honest'.

Especially when they drag a black person behind their pickup truck until the body comes apart. But hey, a least they're 'honest'.

Yep. They all do that. Just like all leftwingers take hostages at Discovery

Melodrama is the least effective vehicle to convey a message.

Thanks for the kind words, Goat. I like to think I might provide a fresh breeze among the general discourse here. There is way too much anger and name calling (some of which is play, I understand). I don't know that we're exactly a microcosm, but I do believe that we could be seen as some indication of the problem of current political discourse in the "real world."

And Oohrah, our entire sense of politics--for most people, not necessarily "our" on this list--is heavily influenced by the media. Not lamestream or mainstream, just the media: major newspapers and major TV outlets (or rather, the other way round) are how most people get their news. Further, most citizens don't look beyond their favored media outlet, whatever it is. Your question about narrative is really important, but I don't think it should be limited to the question of Republicans and racism. It should be extended to most political issues (including, btw, Democrats and their alleged "tax and spend" nature). I don't think you were saying it's the only question where the narrative concept might apply; I think you were staying on topic. : ) For my part, I don't see that Republicans as a whole are painted as racist as much as Tea Partiers specifically are so painted. (And they're not Republicans, or not solely Republicans, right? : ) ) Interestingly, I saw a New Left Media video on YouTube the other day, comprising interviews with attendees at the recent Beck rally in DC (not necessarily Tea Partiers, but probably?). Whether or not this was edited to make the interviewees seem ignorant or what have you, that's how many of them seemed--not racist, but not possessed of terribly deep understandings of the Constitution, of current democratic behaviors, and even of some of their own guy's (Beck's) statements. I'm NOT making a generalized comment about Tea Partiers here; I'm pointing out that racism did not appear to come up, though perhaps some viewers will infer it.

Ultimately, this is why we NEED media education and media literacy in schools, in adult programs, talked about loudly in nearly every forum. The liberal media myth is partly true, as is the meme about Fox News' partisanship. Both are founded in some reality, though probably not quite as deep or as insidious as critics on either side insist. (Fox News, for instance--if they didn't call themselves "fair and balanced," I wouldn't be troubled nearly as much.) To that end, if anyone is interested in media education, I would suggest you go take this survey:

www.surveymonkey.com

While many of ACME's members/attendees/presenters are indeed liberal, the issues should matter to all. Please don't be troubled by their attachment to Free Press, that evil bunch of Marxists. : ) ACME is less rabid, generally, and again, media education is an essential issue for everyone. Come and be contrarian! Not mean or spiteful or attacking, but contrarian. : )

Correct... I was staying on the Rep-racism topic.

But aren't the larger questions interesting, Oohrah? : )

Oh, and I forgot this part: While I recognize that you were staying on topic, I hope that you were not implying a liberal news conspiracy with the bit about narrative. That's what I meant to get at with the Tea Party/Republican commentary. Granted, I don't watch TV news anymore, so maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think the heads of various news outlets got together to construct a narrative, though I do think these narratives/memes/term-of-
choice can evolve in the news world and in our general discourse. Often, I expect, they reflect or distort some small instance or tendency, making it look like something common or typical to whatever group. This happens outside politics, too.

"I hope that you were not implying a liberal news conspiracy with the bit about narrative." - PRAG

Yes, I was. The liberal media are foot soldiers in an ideological battle. I point this out frequently - to even include RCADE's ultimate decision on a blog entry headline on the Discovery Channel guy. Had he been the right's equivalent of a wacko (and both sides have 'em) the headline would have been different from simply an "armed man."

As you and I both acknowledge, the media has great influence on what Americans perceive as their own worldview. Rather than simply reporting the news, as "fair and balanced" as is humanly possible, the media have largely become cheerleaders for a particular worldview.

"Yes, I was."

Bummer. My take is that the news outlets have a corporate agenda--what makes them money is what they will do. Do individual reporters have individual political beliefs? Sure. Of course they do. Do some of them allow that to influence their reporting? Of course. But I don't see where that necessarily leads to a liberal conspiracy/supreme agenda. I haven't watched TV news with any regularity in probably eight years, so maybe things have changed, but I have to say, the argument I hear advanced about the liberal media is exactly the same--which leads me to believe that nothing has changed.

But this I completely agree with: No media outlet is fair and balanced. NPR comes pretty close--I seldom find biased language or reporting (except in their global warming stuff). And yes, reports and editors in all outlets use language that is unbalanced. It's hard not to, but all should strive. That's why, for instance, journalism now eschews adjectives that specify a woman's hair color or a woman's suit, except in fashion or celebrity circles. That's sort of a Band-Aid compared with what we're talking about, but wouldn't it be great if all journalists worked harder to find unbiased language in all outlets?

(I can't speak to the coverage of the Discovery Channel guy. I didn't even read the thread here. I heard about it on NPR, and IIRC, there he was indeed referred to as an "armed man." Or something like a "hostage-taker carrying a gun and reported to have containers, allegedly containing explosives, strapped to his back." I heard one piece of biased language on NPR the other day, something about taxation and politicians, I think, but that's the only time I remember such language, even during the Iraq war run-up and beginning, when, btw, they had more conservative commentators than liberal commentators. I don't have that stat handy, but I bet it's searchable.)

Examples of the left's narrative on conservatives:
racist, homophobic, rich & greedy, ruthless, ignorant rednecks, Bible thumping arseholes, narrow minded, gun nuts, doesn't care for the poor, etc, etc...

The right's narrative on liberals:
un-patriotic, soft on crime and national defense, perverted, big government, lack of accountability, commie/socialist, out of touch elitists, baby killers, etc, etc.

The DR aside for just a moment, take some note of story headlines, the information disclosed, the depth you need to dig to find the ideological makeup of the story's subject, etc.

Reporting news is done by humans. To expect them to 100% detach their ideological leanings from their job is probably too much to ask. But also for us to pretend political subjectivity doesn't enter the picture is to bury our head in the sand, IMO.

Lest this post and others I toss out there on this topic comes across as whining, it's not intended to be such. Rather, I'm attempting to point out the realities of our landscape. I'm not holding my breath that things will change. I'm pointing out the duplicity in our media culture, for what that's worth. And both sides engage in this, as well.

The left media's narrative on libs/Dems: good, caring, moderate, magnanimous, giving, etc.

Pretty much the same for the right media's narrative on cons/Reps.

OOH: Reporting news is done by humans. To expect them to 100% detach their ideological leanings from their job is probably too much to ask. But also for us to pretend political subjectivity doesn't enter the picture is to bury our head in the sand, IMO.

ME: Well-done, sir. We are in complete agreement.

OOH: Lest this post and others I toss out there on this topic comes across as whining, it's not intended to be such.

ME: Not at all. Or this (lefty) media educator didn't read your words as such.

OOH: Rather, I'm attempting to point out the realities of our landscape. I'm not holding my breath that things will change. I'm pointing out the duplicity in our media culture, for what that's worth. And both sides engage in this, as well.

ME: All true. And my engagement in media education is about empowering youth. And while that sounds like lefty bloviation, I mean it. I want to show them some media, get them to think about it, get them to look into it, facilitate their engagement and critical thought, and set them loose. If they become advertisers because I've helped them understand the language of persuasion, so be it; I may find advertising to be one of our great ills, but I'm not trying to shape the world my way, but rather trying to foster informed decision-making and consumption (of media, of information, and of stuff). I'm trying to help young people increase their depth and engagement as citizens. So I share my political nature, and I accept challenges from students. So if I show and deconstruct an ad for, say, John McCain, and explore with them the manipulation and fact-twisting therein, I then do the same with an ad for Barack Obama. (I've done it with print and TV ads for local candidates, too.)

In short, Oohrah, don't hold your breath; if this really bothers you, take action. There are media criticism, media literacy, and media education groups out there. You may not agree with their apparent ideology or solutions, but maybe there's something for you there. Or start your own! Hell, maybe we should get together and create a contrarian group--a right-left coalition examining and acting out against the corporate interests and ignorance fostered by our media! : ) (Shit, I might be half-serious now.)

1964 Civil rights act:
House of Representatives:
Democrats for: 152
Democrats against: 96
Republicans for: 138
Republicans against: 34

Senate:
Democrats for: 46
Democrats against: 21
Republicans for: 27
Republicans against: 6

"The Congressional Quarterly of June 26, 1964 recorded that in the
Senate, only 69 percent of Democrats (46 for, 21 against) voted for
the Civil Rights Act as compared to 82 percent of Republicans (27 for,
6 against). All southern Democratic senators voted against the act.
[...] In the House of Representatives, 61 percent of Democrats (152
for, 96 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act; 92 of the 103
Southern Democrats voted against it. Among Republicans, 80 percent
(138 for, 34 against) voted for it."

Looks like the majority of both parties voted for, and a sizable number (particularly for the democrats), voted against. The liberals are once again foiled by the facts! Like a vampire recoils from daylight the liberals will now shun the facts and begin personal attacks on me. So predictable. I'll be out enjoying the nice weather but fire away!!!

But remember this, if you viewpoints cannot abide the facts, then perhaps you should reexamine your point of view!

Homer, I'm not attacking you, but citing the numbers ignores the reality that the parties have changed. The Democratic party of 1960whatever is not the same as the Democratic party of 2010. Ditto the Republican party. It's like the "Lincoln was a Republican" argument. It ignores the changes that came with time.

Didn't we address this over and over in this thread?

I'll be damned homer. I didn't think any republicans supported the civil rights act. I thought they all hated negros. I need to pay more attention. I even learned that there were democrats that voted against it. Who would have thought?

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