Thanks Obama, looks like you've accomplished something else George Bush never could.

This is good news.

Odd they have the ability to count illegal immigrants but dont have the ability to find them to send them back.

US enforcement, funny flag on that. a report just talked about several manufacturig firms with more than 80% with documentation problems that NOTHING was done by ICE......

so uhbama and crew call the AZ law a civil rights issue, what about the victims of illegals, drug runners etc? Not one word or action to protect them.........

US enforcement, funny flag on that. a report just talked about several manufacturig firms with more than 80% with documentation problems that NOTHING was done by ICE......

so uhbama and crew call the AZ law a civil rights issue, what about the victims of illegals, drug runners etc? Not one word or action to protect them.........

They ones coming in now are probably just passing thru to Canada

Thanks Obama, looks like you've accomplished something else George Bush never would.

"They are only coming here to do jobs Americans won't do."

Thanks Obama, looks like you've accomplished something else George Bush never could.

#1 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Yes, its Obama's tough stance on illegals and hardline conservative ideology towards hispanics that is scaring them off.

Probably has a bit more to do with what states (and the minutemen) are doing, and a whole lot to do with the insane violence in Mexican border towns. With how many people the Mexican drug gangs are killing, its probably getting to the point where its not worth the risk of getting to America.

Thanks Obama, looks like you've accomplished something else George Bush never could.

#1 | Posted by TFDNihilist

The only thing he's accomplished is controlling the Mainstream Media when it comes to this topic.

Thanks Obama, looks like you've accomplished something else George Bush never would.

???

I thought you libs put the onus of a broken economy and no jobs on Bush. That is why they aren't coming, danni -- it's not worth their hassle if there is no work. Or are you finally admitting that Obama has made the economy worse and therefore gets credit for the subsequent fallout of those actions? OK, I'll buy that.

Is there any ray of sunshine that doesn't shine out of the asshole of your messiah, danni? geez

"Or are you finally admitting that Obama has made the economy worse and therefore gets credit for the subsequent fallout of those actions?"

Good grief, when Obama took office the economy was in a nose dive and economists were warning us that we might never be able to climb out of the depression that was coming. Obama managed to pull us out of that steep dive and is not doing everything he can to create a recovery. YOu can't fix an economy that was on the life support of the housing bubble for many years overnight, it's unrealistic and unfair and you Mr. Goatman are smart enough to know that. In order for y'all to bash Obama today about the economy it requires that you pretend that the situation was not as dire as virtually every economist says it was when he entered the office.

"and is not doing everything he can to create a recovery"

should be: "and is now doing everything he can to create a recovery"

YOu can't fix an economy that was on the life support of the housing bubble for many years overnight...

But you think you can fix it by borrowing billions and using that as life support instead? Unemployment is higher, debt greater, confidence down since the messiah took office. (even in his own words unemployment would not rise above 8% because of his brilliant stimulus package)

When he took office, you libs said he needed time. Give him six months. Fair enough Six months later, give him more time, it'll take a year. A year into his presidency, 'he needs more time'. Today, the same folks are still apologizing for him and saying he needs more time. Summer of 2012, when the economy will make today look like boom years, the mantra will be "40 months eisn't enough time. Re-elect him.

How much longer are you going to keep your head in the sand?

"Odd they have the ability to count illegal immigrants but dont have the ability to find them to send them back. "

once again the simplistic view of a fundamentalist.

8% of the country's population is illegal.

reallllllly easy to find them... not so easy to send all of them back as they make up EIGHT PERCENT OF THREE HUNDRED MILLION.

yes yes.. i know fundos have a real hard time with numbers bigger then 10,000

Good grief, when Obama took office the economy was in a nose dive

Same for Bush (though not as steep a nose dive)... did you blame him or Clinton for the economic situation during Bush's first term?

yes yes.. i know fundos have a real hard time with numbers bigger then 10,000

I'm working at it real hard, kliff, but for the life of me I can't figure out how religious fundamentalism fits into this story or why you brought fundos up.

America: No place you want to be!

I think that O'bama has proven very successful in reducing illegal immigration. Keep that ole boot right on the neck of the economy Barack!

Are we supposed to be happy that it's gotten so bad here that the illegals don't want to risk their lives to come here? I think I would trade this for a stable economy and a growing immigration problem.

Sad state when this administration has made this country so bad that even the illegals won't come.

"How much longer are you going to keep your head in the sand?"

He who keeps head in sand has ass in air begging to be kicked (or worse!).

"I'm working at it real hard, kliff, but for the life of me I can't figure out how religious fundamentalism "

it doesn't. i'm speaking to a certain poster directly and the comment they made "Odd they have the ability to count illegal immigrants but dont have the ability to find them to send them back. "

the simplistic vision of reality is specific to many other simplistic views the same poster has made over the course of my time on this site.

"When he took office, you libs said he needed time. Give him six months. Fair enough Six months later, give him more time, it'll take a year. A year into his presidency, 'he needs more time'. Today, the same folks are still apologizing for him and saying he needs more time. Summer of 2012, when the economy will make today look like boom years, the mantra will be "40 months eisn't enough time. Re-elect him."

Many economists have said this "recession" (depression) is the worst since the Great Depression of 1929 and that too ten years and a world war to climb out of. The world war acted as the greatest stimulus package in history and left us with a higher debt to GDP ratio than we have today. We then dramatically raised taxes and paid off that debt in a few years. I guess our parents generation was just more willing to do what is necessary so that our generation was not burdened with debt from their era than we are today. The Greediest Generation follows the Greatest Generation and the Angriest Generations will be the result.

Yeah, right - they just decided the US sucks now and may as well move out. Good to know everything is OK after all, no need to be vigilant - now we lower our guard.

If you believe that, here are some more ruses:

Big Oil Center for Environmental Responsibility says: Global Warming on the Decline

Catholic Foundation of Conservative Priests says: World Birth Rates Fall to All Time Low

Consortium of Cellular Phone Manufactures say: Brain Cancer Unrelated

Tobacco Growers for Philip-Morris say: Smoking Makes Your Dick Bigger

i'm sure goat, you have made comments directly to other posters as well that have to deal directly with their personalities, their word choice and not the story.

This nation has spent hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq which was never in a position to actually attack the United States or kill our citizens. Meanwhile south of our border we watch as criminals become every bit as dangerous as terrorists and we think a silly wall or a few drones are going to keep us safe. With Iraq we realized that if we wanted it to change it would cost us billions and that we would have to actually participate, in our own hemisphere we act like Mexico and S. America are farther away than the ME. Many of us worried so much about Mexican labor replacing American labor when in reality it would be Chinese labor that replaced both. America needs to finally become one huge trading block and protect all the jobs on our two continents from our competitors in Asia.

"The Greediest Generation follows the Greatest Generation and the Angriest Generations will be the result."

Excellent observation, Danni.

Thank you Hans.

Thanks Obama, looks like you've accomplished something else George Bush never could.

#1 | Posted by TFDNihilist

Ain't he great?

The Greediest Generation follows the Greatest Generation and the Angriest Generations will be the result.

#21 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2010-09-02 10:38 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Bullfucking SHIT. You have NO fucking idea what your talking about. What a crock of crap! No fucking god-damned way.

If the illegals are only here to do the jobs Americans won't do, maybe we should fill Congress and the Senate with them. God knows we're not getting Americans to fulfill the responsibilities those positions are supposed to hold.

How much longer are you going to keep your head in the sand?

#13 | Posted by goatman

In dan's defense, her head isn't in the sand. It is much higher that that.

Bullfucking SHIT. You have NO fucking idea what your talking about. What a crock of crap! No fucking god-damned way.

#28 | Posted by somoco

Gosh, what thoughtful debate!

I think that article indicated that the lack of US jobs was the primary reason for the decrease.

I wonder exactly how these folks are counted. Is it by the number arrested? By how many we watch trickle in here? By the crime rate? By their very nature, they live/operate under the radar - it's not as if massive surveys are done to ascertain whether or not you're here legally.

This kind of reminds me of these "job saved" statistics we see in the media.

WHAT -
I think SOMOCO was making a joke. (RE: DANNI's referencing 'Angriest Generation')

Ooh, are you doubting the administration?

#33

Okay, I'm on Mountain Time. I probably need more caffeine.

SNI-
Me? Never. ;o)

#31 Ya, was joke. I guess I'm part of the angriest generation.

No question about many of the causes. Unemployment is relatively high meaning less jobs for illegals. There is a ton anti-latino anger throughout the country. And the illegal journey into America is increasingly dangerous.
I am not certain any of those factors can be laid at the feet of Republicans or Democrats. Though it does seem as if politicians are stoking anger/fear of illegals as a way garnering votes.

Odd they have the ability to count illegal immigrants but dont have the ability to find them to send them back.

#3 | Posted by Lisa at 2010-09-02 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

I was just about to post that when I saw your comment. This is why many people believe that everything that is happening now is according to a plan by the government. These people are not incompetent. They can curb illegal immigration anytime they want.

"With how many people the Mexican drug gangs are killing, its probably getting to the point where its not worth the risk of getting to America.
#8 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole"

And who do you think is paying the gangs to do that? Obama is brilliant! Ruthless, yes, but brilliant! Can't wait for November!

"And who do you think is paying the gangs to do that? Obama is brilliant! Ruthless, yes, but brilliant! Can't wait for November!"

Either you are joking or that is the most ridiculous comment I have ever read on this site.

"They can curb illegal immigration anytime they want."

Having lived in S. Florida for many years I can tell you cofidently that you don't know what you are talking about.

#41: C'mon Danni, you're smarter than that. It's very funny.

Shit.

Now I am going to have to ask a Conservative what I am supposed to be afraid of now.

I guess we'll always have those muslims to fear......

"Either you are joking or that is the most ridiculous comment I have ever read on this site.
#41 | Posted by danni"

Of course I don't actually believe that, but you gotta admit it would be a brilliant move.

The cannot tell us how many are here or where they are yet they 'know' that the numbers are declining?

and is now doing everything he can to create a recovery"

#12 | Posted by danni at 2010-09-02 09:57 AM |

EXCPET for the things that are making it scary for business to hire..
like obama care where NOW we find out there are at least TWO drugs for breast cancer that are being PULLED By fda..something about 'cost effectiveness';
......GEE..where have we heard THAT prediction before..

AND what a stupid argument...dems ARE PROVING arizona to be right...how many have left or wont go to arizona because they are FOLLOWING THE FUCKIN LAW?????

PROOF that thier law along with FOLLOWING THE FEDERAL law WORKS!!!!!

Recessions do that! Less opportunity for honest wprk. Yet there are still 100' of thousands coming still? Why? Benefits of freedom and hand outs. Would you rather be in Samolia with your hand out? It would be cut off! Or San Salvador? You'd be turned into a human slave pushing drugs into El Norte!

And Obamster will take the full credit for the migratory slow down? Because he and the Dems ruined the economy with subsadised loans on homes for decades, pushed the price of gas to a breaking point which made folks on the lower end say... "to work or to pay the mortgage?" And they blame the bankers... not the porn watching SEC that let Madoff slide on paperwork for decades!

Obama increases the effort to keep illegal alien numbers declining:

"DHS posts signs to deter illegal aliens"

"They warn travelers that they are entering an "active drug and human smuggling area" and they may encounter "armed criminals and smuggling vehicles traveling at high rates of speed."

correct....they warn US to stay away while do everything but have the welcome wagon out for the MILLIONS of perpetual democrat vOTERS....

Having lived in S. Florida for many years I can tell you cofidently that you don't know what you are talking about.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2010-09-02 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

How does living in south florida give you insight on border and immigration security? To the tune that I have no idea what I'm talking about when I say they can drastically reduce illegal immigration if they put the resources to it?

she is a progressive liberal...and thus if you arent, you are just a stupid and ignorant hick who need to shut the fuck up and sit down because you couldnt possibly know whats good for you and your family.
they believe in the right of free speech but ONLY if they agree with you...for instance...doesnt make her a bad person at all...but still...............

HEY danni...for two days now I have given your msnbc shows as much viewing as I can stomach..from maddow to olberman to AM joe...so far there has been nothing to change my mind on any issue...only cements the ones I have now...
maybe some day YOU will do the same for fox and beck and such...

just this AM..one of the panel asked a guest if the problem with barrys numbers was that they just 'didnt get him'.....I screamed again...(SORRY)

in other words...people who disagree with obama are STUPID and RACIST...

Thank GOD for Sheriff Joe.. He takes the giggle out of criminal.

Now I see the obunger don't seem to like Joe cracking down on criminals..
'magine that!

in other words...people who disagree with obama are STUPID and RACIST...

That's not true. It should be "STUPID or RACIST...

"They warn travelers that they are entering an "active drug and human smuggling area" and they may encounter "armed criminals and smuggling vehicles traveling at high rates of speed."

#49 | Posted by KBM

Isn't it nice of DHS to let us know what parts of the US are unsafe for average people to enter?

Declining??? Not the casw here in the Reno/Sparks area there's more than there was last year and that has been true every year since at least 1990

Sparks? What an armpit.

There is a ton anti-latino anger throughout the country.

#38 | Posted by moder8

Really? I haven't even seen a pound (if not an ounce) of anti-latino anger---probably just a dream of the lefties. Just an irresponsible statement not backed by fact.

On the decline?

Really? I saw some show on National Geographic last night called 'Border Wars' and they say that they've never been more busy picking up illegal aliens.

Thanks Obama, looks like you've accomplished something else George Bush never could.

#1 | Posted by TFDNihilist

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Arizona had nothing to do with it!

Next thing you'll be telling me that victory in Iraq in Obama's too.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Number of illegal immigrants declining?

Declining what?

I'll believe whatever you tell me.

Yep.

Or maybe the economy is in such a shitter that the US isn't such a hot place to be.

Scary thought there, so bad mexicans want to stay in mexico.

Then again, everyone is bitching about illegals, and since the estimate is a best guess, lets range that guess lower to satisfy the masses.

I personally have no idea how they do their estimates...maybe add on a percentage based on those caught..ie, we catch 20 and think that 60 more slipped through. So easy enough to just revise that 60 to 40 and hey, things are looking up. Simple.

Loh

Have often wondered about those estimates. The drug estimates, as well.

I guess we'll always have those muslims to fear......

#44 | Posted by Manypaths

What????????? They are all our friends. They have done nothing to us.

its the economy stupid

its the economy stupid

#66 | Posted by RightisTrite

Iguess you missed the message. We are just finishing the 'summer of recovery' and all's well.

#21 Danni> Many economists have said this "recession" (depression) is the worst since the Great Depression of 1929 and that too ten years and a world war to climb out of.

Thanks for admitting once again that it was WW II, NOT FDR's social experiments, that brought us out of the Great Depression!

I'll agree that this is the worst economic state the U.S. has been in since WW II. As Goatman said, spending tons of money we don't have (billions, trillions, gazillions, etc.) provides little if any short-term gain, but in the longer run will kill us like RAID on household pests. This is something neither party is really addressing.

#56 Sniper> Isn't it nice of DHS to let us know what parts of the US are unsafe for average people to enter?

And it seems that if they know where the dangers are, maybe somebody with badges and guns would go in and either catch or kill the bad guys! I know that is a simplistic view that nobody in this administration (or to be fair, the last administration too) would take. Why not send 10,000 or more National Guard folks down to the border? Why not get Congress to actually do their job in proposing and funding methods to keep folks from crossing the border. The Bush/Obama strategy sure isn't fixing the problem.

"Next thing you'll be telling me that victory in Iraq in Obama's too.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
#61 | Posted by Eddie"

Victory? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA is right.

If we start shooting them, they'll decline even more.

Lets see. The economy is in shambles ..and when that happens the lower rung of employees in the economy gets hits the worst. Soo..no jobs people start going back to home. So, yes, if you want to thank Obama for screwing up the economy so bad that even ILLEGALs do not want to be here....then you can.

Also the climate of acceptance in the US and specifically Arizona has changed so it is not so inviting.

Net. A combination of factors but not one of then due to any positive Obama policy to effect the change.

Sparks? What an armpit.

#58 | Posted by mOntecOre

[sniff] Does that mean you're gonna weasel outta having drinks with me MOnte? [sob]

[sniff] At least I know Danforth will keep his word and meet me for a few riiiiiiiight Dan? [sniff]

sniff] Does that mean you're gonna weasel outta having drinks with me MOnte? [sob]

No, it's just that Monte is still recovering from the time he agreed to go out for beers with Jackass. Maybe in another month or two....

Monte is still recovering from the time he agreed to go out for beers with Jackass. Maybe in another month or two....

#74 | Posted by CalifChris

Speaking of having drinks with jackass I've meaning to mention I've changed my mind and I'm willing to join him for some brews next time he's in the Reno area...

...mainly cause this homeless chapter of my life I'm presently going through has me wanting to bitchslap somebody real bad and I can't think of a more deserving candidate than jackass

Stay strong Gimme. I have been in your shoes a couple of times. I ended up riding my bike across the country sleeping under a tarp. Finally landed in Tampa for a couple of years until I moved back out west. I'll buy you a couple of beers and a few rounds of scotch while I explain the benefits of the liberal ideology to you.

#75

Sorry to hear that.