Righties will be along shortly to get the CEO's backs.

If shareholders actually had any power most of these ding dong CEO's would be out of a job.

Unbelievable greed. Especially when their companies lose money.

Class warfare.

Fairness warfare

This happens all the time. Put everyone on salary and only half as much staff as you really need. The employees work 60 hours a week and are too afraid to say anything because they are afraid they will get fired.

To be fair, we should count government CEOs too. You dimwits act like government mismanagement of the economy has nothing to do with the unemployment rate. How many jobs has Obama killed today? And let's not forget those CEOs own Congress and the president, the same crooks you vote for.

Berkshire has cut 17,000 jobs, and Obama's favorite CEO doesn't appear in this article.

RiR

Buffet put a $100,000 cap on his salary years ago that still stands.

If you weren't a dumbass you'd know that and wouldn't make stupid comments.

Righties will be along shortly to get the CEO's backs.

#1 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-09-01 05:42 PM |

Why should they come back? The idiots (who are also the majority party in Congress) wrote the legislation giving them the million dollar bonuses.

Only on Planet Orange.

CEO's have been getting multimillion dollar bonuses for decades.

CEO's have been getting multimillion dollar bonuses for decades.
#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Well duh. You're voting for the politicians who make the laws and regulations that make them rich.

Only on Planet Orange.

CEO's have been getting multimillion dollar bonuses for decades.

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-09-01 09:08 PM |

As a shareholder I have no problem if they deserve the compensation package. As a taxpayer, I have a huge problem with that. Which I am sure you do as well. You just don't have the balls to call out your beloved fucking dems, who authorized our tax dollars go to compensate some CEO.

Unbelievable greed. Especially when their companies lose money.

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-09-01 05:45 PM | R

Yet the dems felt they still deserved the bonuses. Not only did companies prove what amateurs they are on Capitol Hill and in the WH, now they have kept the money, trimmed the fat and have no need to hire. Played the politicians in DC like a fiddle.

"However, one worrying aspect of the report is the finding that five of the 50 top layoff leaders received taxpayer-funded bailouts. American Express, for example, gave CEO Kenneth Chenault $16.8 million in 2009, including a $5 million cash bonus. American Express has laid off 4,000 employees since receiving $3.4 billion in taxpayer bailout funds, the report said."

Unbelievable greed. Especially when their companies lose money.
#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Yeah sure, and both Bush and Obama bailed out the most bankrupt corporations in the country on the premise they were too big to fail. What a crock of shit!

Why do you think so many of America's largest corporations pay so little in taxes?

Why do you think so many of them are showered with government subsidies, tax breaks and bailouts?

It's not about competition anymore.

It's about rigging the game in your favor.

The power elite and the giant corporations they control spend millions and millions on lobbying and campaign contributions and they expect a big return on that investment.

Let's take a look at one example. Many people think that Barack Obama and the Democrats are supposed to be anti-business, right?

Well then why are some of Barack Obama's biggest donors the very same corporations that are receiving giant bailouts, making record profits and paying their employees billions in bonuses?

Goldman Sachs was Barack Obama's second biggest donor. Microsoft was number four. Citigroup was number six. JPMorgan Chase was number seven. Time Warner was number eight.

Are you starting to get the picture?

Every single year, the U.S. Congress passes law after law after law that makes it easier for big corporations to dominate and makes it easier for the rich to get even richer.

America's economy is not about competition anymore.

It is about eliminating competition.

"but instead retain looser requirements initially included in the Treasury's $700 billion rescue program.."

Hmm, which administration's Treasury Dept was that?

Oh, ya, "The 'B' Word".

CEO's are grossly overcompensated. Some even drain their company's pension plans for their golden parachutes and leave worthless IOU's. Guess who has to rescue those pension plans? You and me, troll.

America's economy is not about competition anymore.

It is about eliminating competition.

#16 | Posted by Ray at 2010-09-01 09:38 PM

Based on the record community and small banks closing, how long before those bailed out banks are the only game in town?

Bank consolidation has been going on a long time.

My main bank has changed hands through mergers 4 times in 10 years.

but instead retain looser requirements initially included in the Treasury's $700 billion rescue program.."

Hmm, which administration's Treasury Dept was that?

"Oh, ya, "The 'B' Word"."

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-09-01 09:39 PM

Does the "B" stand for Barack dumb ass? Did you bother to read the link? Do you have a fucking clue what party controlled both Houses when the package was written?

I love how you become the predicatble little bitch when someone plays your stupid game and you get egg on your face. You call me a troll when all I did was respond to your stupid retort. (Righties will be along shortly to get the CEO's backs.)

In his weekly address Obama also announced that he will be unveiling a new bailout spending plan soon. And despite his strong criticisms of CEO bonuses, The Washington Post reports that the administration has finished drafting the central elements of the plan, and that it is not likely to impose tougher restrictions on executive pay:

In finalizing the plan, officials have made a policy decision that could dismay lawmakers. The administration is likely to refrain from imposing tougher restrictions on executive compensation at most firms receiving government aid but instead retain looser requirements initially included in the Treasury's $700 billion rescue program, a source familiar with the deliberations said. Officials are concerned that harsh limits could discourage some firms from asking for aid.

Does the "B" stand for Barack dumb ass?

No. Troll. It stands for the President whose Treasury Dept. drew up the plan when their 3 page plan - drawn up for months because they knew Wall Street was going to collapse - didn't pan out.

Here you are focusing on 5 out of the 50 CEO's like the jerk you are.

Here you are focusing on 5 out of the 50 CEO's like the jerk you are.
#21 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-09-01 09:52 PM |

I am focusing on the article you linked, you whining little bitch. You bring up this stupid complaint about CEO's and I show you other CEO's who were given bonuses by the Gov, and are not hiring after receiving bailouts and having profitable quarters. Which is worse moron? Public companies who's shareholders and directors approve compensation packages, or the ones the fucking gov gave away with tax dollars?

Based on the record community and small banks closing, how long before those bailed out banks are the only game in town?

Righties will be along shortly to get the CEO's backs.

Step aside dork and prepare for an education.

In America, CEO's, or anyone else for that matter, have the right to make as much money as the market will allow. It's called capitalism!

And regardless of what Michael Moore has brainwashed you liberals to believe, it is the best system in the world.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a communist, pinko fag.

Here you go AU, another chance for you to blame Bush or the Treasury. The last paragragh pretty much spells out the thinking of the dems.

Dems: Congress Could Back Stimulus Plan Up To $700 Billion (

The scope of the recovery package is far more ambitious than what Obama had spelled out during his presidential campaign, when he proposed $175 billion of spending and tax-cutting stimulus. The new one will be significantly larger and would incorporate his campaign ideas for new jobs in environmentally friendly technologies -- the "green economy." It also would include his proposals for tax relief for middle- and lower-income workers.

Senior Democrats hinted today that Congress could get behind a massive stimulus plan worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

Nancy Pelosi on Face the Nation:

In a recorded interview with CBS' "Face the Nation" that was aired on Sunday, Pelosi, a California Democrat, said the package should be aimed at creating jobs immediately and include investments for future growth. Pelosi said several economists have called for a package in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

"I don't hear you liberals bitching about what your favorite TV stars make. You can make a nice living in TV. Just ask Simon Cowell, who pulls in $45 million per year "

And how many people did Simon Cowell have to lay off to pocket that amount?

"Companies are not hiring because of the looming Obamacare bill requirements of employers, added taxes from the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and uncertainty in the economy. ALL of which are Obama's fault. "

The expiration of Bush's tax cuts are Obama's fault?

Typical. Another proud member of The Party of Responsibility who refuses to take responsibility, even when his people proposed the expiration, wrote the expiration, passed the expiration, and signed the expiration into law.

Some even drain their company's pension plans for their golden parachutes and leave worthless IOU's.

how many did that?

in any case, why are trying to bait people with stuff like this? nobody can defend that behavior so what is the point?

"how many did that?"

Here's a good place to start:

The expiration of Bush's tax cuts are Obama's fault?

still trying to sell that lemon?

anybody buy it from you yet?

"still trying to sell that lemon?"

Still trying to exempt the authors of that law?

I know who wrote it. everybody knows it.

that isn't the point and you know it.

and you can't sell it to anybody.

Rs: Let's increase taxes on Americans in ten years!

Ds: Okay.

Rs: Waaaaaah! You agreed with me!

"I know who wrote it. everybody knows it."

Bullshit. To hear tell, it's all a Dem plot.

"and you can't sell it to anybody."

Can't sell any responsibility to The Party of Responsibility? No shit, Sherlock.

I didn't see where they accused a CEO of stealing from the penison fund, causing it to crash, to fund their parachute.

I'm sure it has happened....don't get me wrong.

AU made the accusation.....surely he can name a company.....

....unless you name it for him.

Bullshit. To hear tell, it's all a Dem plot.

put down the tissues and quit crying.

everybody refers to them as the "expiration of the Bush Tax cuts"

WTF are you upset about anyway? why do you keep going back to Bush and the GOP?

wouldn't you just rather the dems get credit for a tax increase you believe in than to give credit to the GOP.

#26 | Posted by Danforth

and this gem...

The expiration of Bush's tax cuts are Obama's fault?

duh???

Nevermind Danny boy...you dumb fucks will never understand how the American economy works. All you worry about is WHO has more money than you and how the government can fix it. Yet you fail to ask the most important question of "how can I be more successful and make more money?"

I might as well be talking to my black lab, Max.

In America, CEO's, or anyone else for that matter, have the right to make as much money as the market will allow. It's called capitalism!

It's a market that is strictly controlled by a few people in boardrooms, along with the CEO's themselves. It's not capitalism, dipshit. It's the worst kind of cronyism. Those like you, who embrace this type of business practice, are destroying any kind of fair market that could possibly exist.

Can't sell any responsibility to The Party of Responsibility?

see? you admit you can't find anybody to buy it, which was my point.

Like I have said, let the real party of responsibility take credit for the tax increases, which you know we need, and just move on.

your other option is to give credit to the GOP for something you want to happen anyway.

If Democrats didn't exist, would Republicans have added a sunset provision?

Either way, and regardless of whose "fault" a tax cut expiration is, the fact is that whoever is in power is responsible for the tax climate at that time, since they are the ones with the ability to push through their agenda. If keeping taxes at pre-sunset rates were a priority of the libtards in Congress, they'd do something about it.

Those like you, who embrace this type of business practice, are destroying any kind of fair market that could possibly exist.

how is he doing that?

good night everyone

Here you are focusing on 5 out of the 50 CEO's like the jerk you are.

Bingo. Crispee is nothing but a partisan bitch. Plenty of bitching about the Dems fuck ups (much deserved BTW) but not a word on the actual problem.

He/She is no better than people who blame guns for murder rates.

"I'm sure it has happened....don't get me wrong. AU made the accusation.....surely he can name a company.........unless you name it for him."

So you know it has happened, but unless the specific CEO can be named, it didn't happen?

Try the board of GM, for starters.

"you dumb fucks will never understand how the American economy works."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Your guy took surpluses as far as the eye could see, and delivered deficits as far as the eye could see, and it's the OTHER guys who don't understand how the economy works.

I come here for the comedy.

If Democrats didn't exist, would Republicans have added a sunset provision?

They didn't add a sunset provision. Besides, the cloture vote failed by two votes, and 4 Republicans voted against it. I've named them before. One was McCain.

If keeping taxes at pre-sunset rates were a priority of the libtards in Congress, they'd do something about it.

They're trying, but you know that cloture thing? Without extending them to everyone including the top 2% they'll have no republican votes at all. Extending them to the top 2% cuts out some Dem votes. It's appearing they'll probably get a compromise with all tax cuts being extended with a phase out for the top 2% over a couple of years.

In reality, even if the Dems said 100% extension, the GOP would vote against them unless the GOP gains power in both houses.

"everybody refers to them as the "expiration of the Bush Tax cuts""

You're full of shit. Republicans nationwide are warning about the Democrats wanting to raise your taxes. Get the sand out of your ears.

"let the real party of responsibility take credit for the tax increases"

Huh? Do you mean your party is just lying, for effect???

"your other option is to give credit to the GOP for something you want to happen anyway."

I'm grateful to the Republicans for not wanting to fuck up the economy more than ten years out.

Happy now?

"...regardless of whose "fault" a tax cut expiration is..."

Of course. No responsibility for the authors, no, can't have that.

Check out the weakest banks.
www.weissratings.com

#23 | Posted by Ray

All your link tells me is to not have my money in banks.

I didn't see a single bank above the rating of D.

Of course. No responsibility for the authors, no, can't have that.

I'll assign responsibility. The sunset provision is the Republicans' fault. And every day after that sunset that taxes remain at the higher rate is the current party in power's fault.

They're trying

How odd that Republicans were able to pass a tax cut package when they were in power, with a lesser majority than the Democrats have now, yet Democrats are unable to do the same. Like I said, if it were a priority, it'd get done. If they can ram through a stimulus package and a ridiculous health insurance bill, they can pass some fucking tax cuts.

Nevermind Danny boy...you dumb fucks will never understand how the American economy works.

Actually, I'd say the bigger dumb fucks are people like you who THINK they know how shit works and are goaded year after year to vote for the interests of those laughing their asses off all the way to the bank while you wonder why your thumb is up your ass.

The difference between the Democratic plan and the GOP plan affects ~120,000 tax payers, but the result is staggering.

how is he doing that?

#42 | Posted by eberly

The function of a CEO is to work for the best interests of the corporation and not for the best interest of his/her own compensation. Until a significant majority understands that the top of many large corporations no longer function as accountable to their common stockholders, this type of practice will continue. BeachBuzz is advocating in favor of this corrupt system of business that funnels large amounts of money to its principals, even as the business, its common stockholders, and its employees take losses.

"And every day after that sunset that taxes remain at the higher rate is the current party in power's fault."

I'll agree, provided the Rs don't simply filibuster and (surprise!) not take responsibility.

"If they can ram through a stimulus package and a ridiculous health insurance bill, they can pass some fucking tax cuts."

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Because if there's one thing we need while running the largest deficits known to man is more tax cuts.

And...have you read the health care bill, or are you just concluding it's "ridiculous" without reading it?

"I didn't see a single bank above the rating of D."

Those were the weakest banks. There's also a link to the strongest ones, some with A+ ratings.

wouldn't you just rather the dems get credit for a tax increase you believe in than to give credit to the GOP.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2010-09-01 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag: Well worth repeating, over and over and over...

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Because if there's one thing we need while running the largest deficits known to man is more tax cuts.

What a dumbass. The argument related to their ability to do it with the majority they have, since Republicans were able to do it with a lesser majority.

have you read the health care bill, or are you just concluding it's "ridiculous" without reading it?

I have, and debated it to no end while it was being pushed through. If you missed that, it's your problem.

"The argument related to their ability to do it with the majority they have, since Republicans were able to do it with a lesser majority."

The salient difference being one was dealing with a surplus, and the other a massive deficit.

"I have"

All of it?

Those were the weakest banks. There's also a link to the strongest ones, some with A+ ratings.

Duh. I'm an idiot.

Was beginning to think I need to make a withdraw, FAST.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2010-09-01 11:53 PM | Reply

I don't think I know how the system works, I know. You, on the other hand, will wait in line for your Obama money, while guys like me make money for the rest of you to live off of.

"I don't think I know how the system works"

Even a broken watch....

I come here for the comedy.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-09-01 11:43 PM

And obviously not to learn anything. Keep hitting that pipe Danny boy...

And obviously not to learn anything. Keep hitting that pipe Danny boy...

Beachbuzz, you are the perfect example of what happens when you go to a political blog to "learn things".

while guys like me make money for the rest of you to live off of.

You're right,the Obama govt messes up everything.You should help me directly.Cash, no checks please.

"And obviously not to learn anything."

Posts the guy who thinks he knows "how the American economy works" while not having a clue.

"Keep hitting that pipe Danny boy..."

Stay stupid, my friend.

You should help me directly.Cash, no checks please.

All I need is your routing number and account number and YOU too can be a millionare!

I don't think I know how the system works, I know.

Of course you do.

You, on the other hand, will wait in line for your Obama money, while guys like me make money for the rest of you to live off of.

Making ridiculous, broad brush assumptions about others is generally a sign you're full of shit.

You're probably one of those stupid shits who makes 35K a year, works 60+ hours a week and thinks you're on top, not realizing you're being played by the very people you vote for for their own gain.

"However, since you were day dreaming about doing beer bongs, eating mushrooms and how to approach the dude next door for some anal activity"

0-for-3.

WTF are you projecting about???

"It's not a big fucking mystery"

It obviously is to you.

"Any monkey who paid attention during Econ 101 and 102 would understand the concept of the US economy."

Feel free to explain. As someone who was recently recommended by a select panel of his peers to be a Trustee of a billion-dollar-plus health and pension plan, I'd be interested to hear your bona fides as well as your theories.

As someone who was recently recommended by a select panel of his peers to be a Trustee of a billion-dollar-plus health and pension plan

Your peers? LMAO....

Your peers couldn't tie their own shoes, much less cut their way out of a paper bag.

I have 3 questions for you Dannny.

1) can you start a campfire?
2) can you open a can of beans?
3) can you write a sign that says "I will work for food"?

If so, you are well on your way to becoming a liberal Eagle Scout! Congratulations! Hurray for Danny Boy! Hurray!

"Your peers couldn't tie their own shoes, much less cut their way out of a paper bag. "

Awww, threatened by the educated guy? No bona fides to state? Have to resort to a lie?

But since you don't believe me...what do you say we make it interesting? How much are you willing to lose in a bet? Since you're so sure you'll win, be sure to make it even more than you can afford.

"1) can you start a campfire?
2) can you open a can of beans?
3) can you write a sign that says "I will work for food"?"

Why...are you cold & hungry and need help with your sign?

#74 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Making shit up shows the hollowness of your position.

I'd be interested to hear your bona fides as well as your theories.

Here is my theory...lower taxes = more money for you and I to spend. It also equals more money for CEo's to spend which equals more jobs for those CEO's to fill, which equals more income for the federal government, which equals more money for social security, which equals more money for you to aquire food stamps, which enables you to fund your gay monkey obsession, tax free!

How can you complain about a system like that?

"Here is my theory...lower taxes = more money for you and I to spend."

And you're ignoring the resultant ballooning deficits and those effects???

"It also equals more money for CEo's to spend which equals more jobs for those CEO's to fill"

History proves you dismally wrong.

"which equals more income for the federal government"

Not when combined with slashing tax rates for the wealthiest.

"which equals more money for social security"

Good God, you're stupid. SS is a super-regressive tax.

"which equals more money for you to aquire food stamps, which enables you to fund your gay monkey obsession, tax free!"

Gee...so your bona fides are in feces flinging. Why am I not surprised?

Making shit up shows the hollowness of your position.

#77 | Posted by jpw at 2010-09-02 01:30 AM | Reply

I haven't made up ONE fact or theory. Google will verify EVERY comment I make fool.

And you insist on living in the dark.

#25 | Posted by crispee_oc

You're against tax cuts for the middle class. That's who got them, not people who didn't need them.

You bring up this stupid complaint about CEO's and I show you other CEO's who were given bonuses by the Gov, and are not hiring after receiving bailouts and having profitable quarters.

As the article points out the CEO's bonuses would have paid the salaries of many of their employees who were laid off.

TARP was Bush's baby. Deal with it, jerk.

"I haven't made up ONE fact or theory."

Too funny: the dumbshit doesn't even understand what a reference number means.

"Google will verify EVERY comment I make"

Some idiotic posts defy response.

And you're ignoring the resultant ballooning deficits and those effects???
Have you ever worked for a poor man??
"It also equals more money for CEo's to spend which equals more jobs for those CEO's to fill"
History proves you dismally wrong. Really? How so?

Not when combined with slashing tax rates for the wealthiest. . Really? How so?
"which equals more money for social security"
Good God, you're stupid. SS is a super-regressive tax. Really? How so?

"which equals more money for you to aquire food stamps, which enables you to fund your gay monkey obsession, tax free!"
Gee...so your bona fides are in feces flinging. Why am I not surprised?
#79 | Posted by Danforth

#84 | Posted by Danforth

Deny, deflect and ignore..that is the liberal way uhh Danny boy?

non-sequitur, danforth. Ignorance on a subject doesn't necessarily imply prevarication

Have you ever worked for a poor man??

Have you ever been anything other than a simple man?

"It also equals more money for CEo's to spend which equals more jobs for those CEO's to fill"
History proves you dismally wrong. Really? How so?

Not when combined with slashing tax rates for the wealthiest. . Really? How so?

Clearly you've been conveniently asleep for the past several years.

Deny, deflect and ignore..that is the liberal way uhh Danny boy?

You really are stupid, aren't you?

"Have you ever worked for a poor man??"

Of course I have.

"It also equals more money for CEo's to spend which equals more jobs for those CEO's to fill"
History proves you dismally wrong.
"Really? How so?"

Read the thread article.

Not when combined with slashing tax rates for the wealthiest.
"Really? How so?"

Tax cuts don't increase revenue, no matter how many times the WSJ is willing to lie to you.

SS is a super-regressive tax.
"Really? How so?"

Good God, you're stupid. SS is levied at a flat rate, until a point of income (about $107,000) where it stops.

So you've proven you don't understand the article, you don't understand how tax cuts decrease revenue, and you don't understand the structure of the SS tax. Good for you: not many people are as willing as you to parade their profound ignorance, especially while claiming to understand the system.

Why can't you liberals EVER argue the merits of an argument, instead of arguing the quality of the man making the argument?

Is that something inbreed or something your 3 fathers instilled in you?

"Why can't you liberals EVER argue the merits of an argument"

Too damn funny. You've been taken apart on the "merits", such as they pretend to be.

Why can't you liberals EVER argue the merits of an argument, instead of arguing the quality of the man making the argument?

You mean like you did several times on this thread?

Danforth has forgotten more about taxes and finance then you'll ever know.

You and CRISPEE must have slashed each other's wrists with razor blades and become blood brothers, BEACHBUZZ. Both of you depend on deflection and insults rather than making a point. What children.

You and CRISPEE must have slashed each other's wrists with razor blades and become blood brothers, BEACHBUZZ.

Explains the hepatitis...

Why can't you liberals EVER argue the merits of an argument, instead of arguing the quality of the man making the argument?

Code for 'I just got my ass whooped and need to find someting...ANYTHING...to whine about to save face.'

Don't be a pussy beachbuzz and acknowledge you've been beaten.

#96 | Posted by Beachbuzz

False bravado flag!

Why can't you liberals EVER argue the merits of an argument, instead of arguing the quality of the man making the argument?

Is that something inbreed or something your 3 fathers instilled in you?

#91 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Hey dickhead..I can only take so much of you. Are you married? Because if so, you wife must be brain dead to put up with your shit!

You argue like a fucking 4th grader. I would match my 13 or 14 year old against your dumbass and they would kick your ass everyday!

From now on don't even reply to my posts. You are a stupid fuck and I refuse to argue with stupid fucks!

You actually give liberals a bad name, if that is possible.

#96 | Posted by Beachbuzz

How is that inbreeding going, buzz?

Are your 13 and 14 years olds our kids or your siblings?

"Hey dickhead..I can only take so much of you."

I'm sure it's uncomfortable to be called out for the idiot you are.

"Are you married? Because if so, you wife must be brain dead to put up with your shit!"

My lovely bride had a double major in Journalism and French, edited a newspaper, was a corporate VP in a headhunting firm, and ran a food company. She's brilliant and witty, and is one of the few women I've met who could keep up with me intellectually. Our favorite discussions are on philosophy, science, and gender politics. She makes 12 hours in the car on trips during our many vacations seem like 12 minutes.

"I would match my 13 or 14 year old against your dumbass and they would kick your ass everyday!"

I'm sure they'd prove more a match than you. They'd have to, unless they're brain-dead.

"From now on don't even reply to my posts."

Thanks for admitting I've pwned you. Need a tissue?

"You are a stupid fuck"

If that's the case, your IQ is in the negative range.

"You actually give liberals a bad name, if that is possible."

Fat talk from someone who gives stupid shits a bad name.

Don't be a pussy beachbuzz and acknowledge you've been beaten.

#97 | Posted by jpw at

That's right jpw, I have been beaten by the best cocksuckers of all time. Congrats, jpw and Dannyboy, you are the best.

Enjoy my legacy eating away at your thoughts and dreams...sleep well boys...

"Enjoy my legacy"

Run, Forest, run!

That's right jpw, I have been beaten by the best cocksuckers of all time. Congrats, jpw and Dannyboy, you are the best.

You were beaten by Danforth. I know little of what was discussed but I know a lopsided engagement when I see one.

You were pwned. HARD.

Enjoy my legacy eating away at your thoughts and dreams...sleep well boys...

The legacy of contradicting yourself in consecutive posts? Oh the nightmares.

Don't be a pussy beachbuzz and acknowledge you've been beaten.

"Tis but a scratch!"

Look out...he'll bite my legs off!

in any case, why are trying to bait people with stuff like this? nobody can defend that behavior so what is the point?

#28 | Posted by eberly

Public awareness. CRISPEE should study up a little before disputing pension plans have been looted to pay for executive compensation. So, it isn't just employees who get the shaft, but ultimately taxpayers too.

Don't be a pussy beachbuzz and acknowledge you've been beaten.

Tis but a scratch!

#105 | Posted by ZombieHunter

what did the freddie and fanny CEO's get?

We always hear this news as to how much CEOs make, but we never hear how much lawyers make? The top ones make as much money as CEOs.

What economic impact do lawyers have on my portfolio? Many economic studies show that the economic impact from lawyers on an individual's portfolio is negative.

Yet we don't hear the main stream media or the left complaining about that. Why is that? Because they are big donors to the Democratic Party you hear nothing.

Just remember those CEOs run companies that help pay for retirement, make advancement in technology, run the internet, advances in medicine, put food on the table, pay for health care.

"Just remember those CEOs run companies that help pay for retirement, make advancement in technology, run the internet, advances in medicine, put food on the table, pay for health care."

My God, could you stick your nose any further up the butts of corporate CEOs???? I just did a little search on Yahoo for "CEO makes millions while pension funds goes bankrupt"
I got dozens or even hundreds of hits because it is a common situation in today's economy which is geared to make CEOs millions while the rest of us become poorer. Time to start taxing these greed fuckers, and tax them at the rates we had before Ronnie Raygun (may his soul rot in hell).

Also the richest counties in America are inhabited by who? Hollywood stars and Lawyers.

#111 | Posted by danni
My God, could you stick your nose any further up the butts of corporate CEOs???? I just did a little search on Yahoo for "CEO makes millions while pension funds goes bankrupt"
I got dozens or even hundreds of hits because it is a common situation in today's economy which is geared to make CEOs millions while the rest of us become poorer. Time to start taxing these greed fuckers, and tax them at the rates we had before Ronnie Raygun (may his soul rot in hell).
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I live a very nice life, thanks to my stock portfolio, my paycheck, and thoes CEOs.

So there is a reason why I defend those evil CEOs.

If you going to start to bash CEOs for the thier compensation, start bashing lawyers too, but we know that is not what this is all about.

Out of the top 10 richest congress people 7 were Democrats.

You liberals are nothing but a bunch of fakes.

The three favorite uber-libbie CEOs are Gates, Buffett, and Steve Jobs.

Microsoft laid off over 5,000 in 2009; Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway laid off 17,000; Steve Jobs has outsourced almost all Apple manufacturing to China, which has 400,000 Chinese working day-in, day-out to make Ipod's and Iphones.

JP Morgan has had over 2000 layoffs, but doesn't publish numbers quarterly. Jamie Dimon pulled in a $19 million bonus, and gave heavily to the Obama campaign. Citigroup has cut more than 50,000 jobs since 2008--also a huge Dem donor.

Big companies tend to lay off because they're too big. Too unwieldy, have fixed costs that are too high. It's just amazing--yet again--that the big liberal CEO's just never get painted with the same brush. Ever.

Buffett's net worth went up by $10,000,000,000 from 2009 to 2010. How many jobs would that have funded? How many startups, had he invested the money elsewhere, instead of BRK? He could have funded two hundred thousand jobs at $50,000 apiece. Instead, he laid off. Where are the articles? Where are the big editorials in Slate and MSNBC?

I agree that CEOs are over compensated, but Hollywood, Lawyers, and Jocks make way more money, and don't add that much value.

We wouldn't be posting on this site if not for the CEOs and the companies they run, yet they are getting bashed, and the biggest earners, Hollywood, Lawyers, and Jocks get a pass.

It's clear that the hypocrisy level runs high with this article, and the blogs.

Righties will be along shortly to get the CEO's backs.

#1 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Yet, this is all caused by the Left...

Makes you wonder when the Left is going to "get it" that they own this economy.

We asked them to help us get the economy and jobs back on track, but they had other things to do.

So, now we are going to tell them to go find a job somewhere else. OH! There will be jobs.

"Hollywood, Lawyers, and Jocks get a pass."

Perhaps because their salaries don't increase in direct relation to the number of American jobs they eliminate. TAke your ideas to the extreme, when they have outsourced every American job and they make billions would your view remain the same? Isn't there any point at which CEOs remember that they are Americans?

Righties will be along shortly to get the CEO's backs.

#1 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Go start your own company

The Trust Fund babies you liberals like to bash, two of the biggest are John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.

#117 | Posted by danni
Perhaps because their salaries don't increase in direct relation to the number of American jobs they eliminate. TAke your ideas to the extreme, when they have outsourced every American job and they make billions would your view remain the same? Isn't there any point at which CEOs remember that they are Americans?
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Again you're complaining about compensation and the 4 groups that rank the highest you decide to skip the 1st 3 and attack the 4th.
Nice try, a backhoe could shovel that much bullshit.

We all know how Hollywood, and Lawyers spend their money when it comes to campaign donations.

You liberals are nothing but phony's.

#116 | Posted by Eddie | Flag: Transmission Received -- Loud But Not So Clear -- From Wolkenkuckucksheim

"I got dozens or even hundreds of hits because it is a common situation in today's economy which is geared to make CEOs millions while the rest of us become poorer."

Geared to make educated, hard working, innovative CEO's rich, while the others sit around Drudge all day complaining about how much poorer they have become. Amazing how the biggest losers or failures complain the most when it comes to those who are winners and succesful.

Perhaps because their salaries don't increase in direct relation to the number of American jobs they eliminate.
#117 | Posted by danni

Danni, this is the way corporate America works. They bring in hatchet men to trim up the company and get it ready for the next period of growth. One of my clients is doing that now. trmming out the dead wood and getting rid of redundancy that accumulated during that last growth period. And hording billions in cash, I might add.

This is a period of recession and it doesn't have to be this freaken long! But the longer it is, the better we should be. But, don't make it too long

You and the Lefties think this is so horrible, bellyaching over it and don't realize that it's your leadership that is causing it.

You liberals are nothing but phony's.

#120 | Posted by 90c2cab

Says the guy who's done nothing but dance around the topic trying to blame liberals.

#122 | Posted by crispee_oc

I'm not losing, and I'm not gaining either, but we are trying to become debtfree. That's got to be the hardest thing to do. Lord willing nothing drastic will change.

in any case, why are trying to bait people with stuff like this? nobody can defend that behavior so what is the point?

#28 | Posted by eberly

Public awareness. CRISPEE should study up a little before disputing pension plans have been looted to pay for executive compensation. So, it isn't just employees who get the shaft, but ultimately taxpayers too.
#107 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-09-02 02:47 AM

Why is this idiot commenting to me when he pastes something from Eb? Not only did he gaffe in who he was trying to enlighten, but sadly he starts making shit up like a desperate little troll.

So, it isn't just employees who get the shaft, but ultimately taxpayers too.
#107 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-09-02 02:47 AM

Why is this idiot commenting to me when he pastes something from Eb? Not only did he gaffe in who he was trying to enlighten, but sadly he starts making shit up like a desperate little troll.

#126 | Posted by crispee_oc

What does it have to do with taxpayers?

Here you are focusing on 5 out of the 50 CEO's like the jerk you are.

Bingo. Crispee is nothing but a partisan bitch. Plenty of bitching about the Dems fuck ups (much deserved BTW) but not a word on the actual problem.

He/She is no better than people who blame guns for murder rates.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2010-09-01 11:25 PM

Do you even have a clue what I was responding to before opening your yap? Was my point simply too much to comprehend? I believe I listed several artiucles which point out the problkem of the Gov taking my tax dollars and giving it to CEO's. I asked a simple question which AU didn't have the balls to answer. Maybe you do. What is worse and a bigger issue or problem, private companies who's shareholders and directors determine the compensation package for CEO's, or the gov bailing out CEO's while that money is used to pay outrageous bonuses?

If it matters Sparky, I am a male who is definitly partisan.

You and the Lefties think this is so horrible, bellyaching over it and don't realize that it's your leadership that is causing it.

Fuck you... the righty tighties are doing nothing but using this recession as a justification to belly ache about the current administration. The fact of the matter is the Bush-hole administration enacted tax cuts and two fucking wars at the same time. No nation in history has ever pulled that one off and come out on top. Republiclowns severed an 8 year long economic artery in Iraq that has only now been slowed. The thing that is so fucking outrageous is that you refuse to admit that you screwed the pooch. You fucking sunk the country with your nation building bullshit... you fucking dug a hole and threw the nation in... making up altruistic stories along the way about spreading democracy and freeing people...because you lack the balls to admit you fucked up.

Yeah right... cut taxes on the wealthy and they will create more jobs... that flies in the face of CEO's firing people to increase profits... where they supposed to get the money to buy products to increase growth? Your circular logic is crap. its right there in front of you you dense fucker.

To cap it off your fucking republiclowns in office call people lazy... druggies... drunks... and accusing them of whining for entitlements... when there it is in black and white... people are fired and the ones that fire them become millionaires for doing it.

Fuck you fuck you fuck you.. you sanctimonious piece of shit... to the republiclowns...the thinking is that it is only the democrats getting fired...

Pricks like you with your idiot rationalization are the reasons communism is so popular over a large portion of the world... name one nation where it took hold... where the attitude you express wasn't the at the forefront. I certainly don't want communism but the poison you spew with your ignorance is just as insidious... and is the reason it happens.

who is definitly partisan.

#128 | Posted by crispee_oc

If partisan means that we have to get the country back on the right track and away from the Obama agenda, then I am most definately partisan.

However, I do NOT want to return to the days of Bush. Libbies use this attack all the time because they can't fathom the Tea Party.

#25 | Posted by crispee_oc

You're against tax cuts for the middle class. That's who got them, not people who didn't need them.

#81 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-09-02 01:49 AM

Amazing. Now I am against tax cuts for the middle class, based on an article about the stimulus I posted from Jan 2009? What next? I am for an increase in taxes so I can feel good about paying my fair share?

"Yeah right... cut taxes on the wealthy and they will create more jobs... that flies in the face of CEO's firing people to increase profits... where they supposed to get the money to buy products to increase growth? Your circular logic is crap. its right there in front of you you dense fucker."

Yet clowns like this wonder why companies are making profits after they lay off losers like him and become more lean and profitable. Would anyone here hire this idiot for anything? Maybe as someone who goes out and cleans up dog shit, but I still wonder if he is underqualified.

Would anyone here hire this idiot for anything?
Posted by crispee_oc

Sounds like a Democratic Presidential prospect for 2016.

Fuck you... the righty tighties are doing nothing but using this recession as a justification to belly ache about the current administration. The fact of the matter is the Bush-hole administration enacted tax cuts and two fucking wars at the same time.
#129 | Posted by RightisTrite

I know that. I hate it. I want to fix it, but you idiots are in the way pushing some stupid Socialist agenda that is not going anywhere (thank G-d!)

You don't realize that the current policies of the Obama Administration and the actions of Congress are keeping ALL business from growing. What happens when they stop growing? They contract--they lay off.

What the FUCK does tax cuts and spending have to do with how business, you know the ones who create jobs, works?

This bullshit notion that the Federal Government has to "DO" something to fix the economy is nonsense!

If Obama started his administration with cutting spending and did nothing else (like Clinton did), then the economy would be roaring back right now. Instead ALL business is hording cash, consolidating and trying to pay off debt-- keeping their heads low for the next dip in the recession!!

DO NOT ignorantly swear at me and tell me that I should support a failing idea! If you worked for me, I'd fire you so fast, it would scare the libbie right out of you! I do not want ignorant assholes working for me who think that it's MY fault and the GOVERNMENTS' responsibility to keep them happy!!!

The attitude you should have RIGHT NOW is to figure out how you can contribute, not what others must do for you.

Fuck you fuck you fuck you.. you sanctimonious piece of shit... to the republiclowns...the thinking is that it is only the democrats getting fired...

#129 | Posted by RightisTrite

Yes, they are out. I agree with you.

Many "Righties" agree with you. In fact they agree with you so much that the Old establishment Rebublican is out and the Tea Party is in.

Anyone who agrees with that gets to keep their job.

You and CRISPEE must have slashed each other's wrists with razor blades and become blood brothers, BEACHBUZZ.

Explains the hepatitis...

#95 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-09-02 02:10 AM

AU,
I see you have a little friend trolling along. Can you get him to roll over or speak on cue? Is it man walking dog, or dog walking man? Or just a couple of bitches strolling the streets looking for a bone?

Pricks like you with your idiot rationalization are the reasons communism is so popular over a large portion of the world... name one nation where it took hold... where the attitude you express wasn't the at the forefront. I certainly don't want communism but the poison you spew with your ignorance is just as insidious... and is the reason it happens.

#129 | Posted by RightisTrite

You have no clue when you wrote this what I'm thinking. You do somewhat now.

However, if you and the Party of NO RESPONSIBILITY don't start taking responsibility, you will be out on your Carterlike ass.

You don't have to embrace the Tea Party, but you are not allowed to support the current Administration or the current Democrats in Congress. They are completely (100%) responsible for the layoffs (the focus of this thread).

OK?

Tritey Righty sounds like he might be an Obama voter.

Trite,

Just remember that Clinton was allowed to stick around and became almost a folk hero to you ignorant idiots because he did nothing and cooperated.

In the imaginary free market, competing, running a company and making a profit is difficult because its complicated and risky. Firing everyone, cooking the books and paying out bonuses can be done by any dolt able to tie his own shoes. This is what the largest US Corporations do on a regular basis. Everyone else does it, therefore is OK.

Tritey Righty sounds like he might be an Obama voter.

#138 | Posted by rightisright

I think he voted for everyone he could in the Party of no Responsibility.

SHAME!

I hope his schooling is taking.

"If Obama started his administration with cutting spending and did nothing else (like Clinton did), then the economy would be roaring back right now."

You demonstrate your ignorance very day. When Clinton took office they put together an economic plan and passed it through Congress, it included tax increases which accout for the surplus at the end of his presidency. In 1994 the Republicans took control of Congress and proceeded to do exactly what the REpublicans say they will do if they gain the House in November....they started investigating Clinton, little else.

"I think he voted for everyone he could in the Party of no Responsibility."

The Republicans. They cut taxes and run up debt for decades and then blame it on the Democrats.

Oh shit!
Oil rig explodes 80 miles off Louisiana coast -CNN

When Clinton took office they put together an economic plan and passed it through Congress, it included tax increases which accout for the surplus at the end of his presidency.
#142 | Posted by danni

Thank you Congress!

Ignorant? LOL!!!

Clinton's proposed budgets were always and every time WAAAAYYY over budget--a typical government over-asking practice, I know. Congress negotiated it into a surplus.

These are the facts.

Everyone else does it, therefore is OK.

#140 | Posted by nutcase

Who said it's ok?

Like you say, "In the imaginary free market"...

This environment is created by the current Democrat/Republican, Mommy against Daddy game that keeps use having to choose the lesser of 2 evils. They are able to adjust regulations of every industry to make it easy for the very few extrememly rich make the most money and shake out everyone else.

I agree with you! It's pathetic!!

But it's both parites doing it to us.

You demonstrate your ignorance every day.
#142 | Posted by danni

By telling you the facts?

How ironic.

Oh shit!
Oil rig explodes 80 miles off Louisiana coast -CNN

#144 | Posted by wisgod

Holy Shit!!!

I can hear the conspiracy already. Bush had the Truthers and Obama will have his own set of Truthers.

I can't help myself! I'm a Truther!!

I wonder if this has anything to do with upcoming vote on Cap and Tax in October?

they started investigating Clinton, little else.

#142 | Posted by danni

LOL! Bullshit!

It's a river in Egypt, Danni.

Get over it. Congress (Your favorite, Newtie) balanced the budget and gave us a Surplus.

Now I predict a post saying that Bush spent it LOL!!!

CEO is the one position American corporations should outsource. Their foreign counterparts do a better job for much less money.

I don't understand how someone who makes $250,000 a year are in the same tax braket as these folks. I also have a problem with they talk about being good for the stock holders. Then why has my 401K dived and continues to do so?

You're full of shit. Republicans nationwide are warning about the Democrats wanting to raise your taxes. Get the sand out of your ears.

they are and everyone knows it. they are in control and can do whatever they want to adjust these tax cuts and have conform to whatever rates they want.

Yes, they are doing this on the back of a piece of GOP passed legislation.

but the dems own whatever outcome.

Danforth, you are moving the goalposts so much on this issue, I'm sure they are on wheels.

LOL

What does it have to do with taxpayers?

#127 | Posted by Eddie

Heard of The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC)?

CRISPEE

It didn't take you 2 seconds to turn this topic political. I hadn't.

Quit whining, troll

Heard of The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC)?

#151 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

No tax money,

gets its revenue from insurance premiums paid in...

Again, What does it have to do with taxpayers?

Yeah right... cut taxes on the wealthy and they will create more jobs... that flies in the face of CEO's firing people to increase profits... where they supposed to get the money to buy products to increase growth? Your circular logic is crap. its right there in front of you you dense fucker.

Whether you cut taxes or increase taxes on the wealthy, it will have no effect on jobs. Increase taxes though will provide more revenue to the government for the jobs those wealthy people cut and are now on unemployment.

The wealthy people don't cut jobs to get money for product growth, if that was the case then they didn't need those people in the first place.

Some Americans still think that if you cut taxes for the billionaire CEOs, you increase the revenue to the US Treasury. The real loonies are those who believe them. herm

Interesting that some people here think it is OK for CEO's to cut thousands and get large bonus's and wages increased as long as they make more money for their stocks...it defies logic

The only way to increase revenue for the government while cutting taxes is to cut taxes to the middle class while increasing wages to the lower and middle class.

OMG what a moronic cluster this thread is.

Corporations are in business to generate a profit.

Period.

If cutting jobs increases the bottom-line, then the CEO's have done precisely what they were hired to do.

Does it sound callous? Absolutely. But it's how the world works.

Jesus - take an econ101 class. GM has been operating at a loss in no small part due to inflated labor costs. The Dems love the labor unions so they pillaged our tax dollars to the tune of $30 billion to prop up a failing business model and you morons jump up and down and cheer. The economic illiteracy promulgated by the left is astounding.

'GM has been operating at a loss in no small part due to inflated labor costs.'

I wish Preston Tucker was still alive. He'd of got a good laugh out of this.

The Dems love the labor unions so they pillaged our tax dollars to the tune of $30 billion to prop up a failing business model and you morons jump up and down and cheer. The economic illiteracy promulgated by the left is astounding.

I'm sure you'll be first in line to buy a Chinese car,Right patriot?

the labor unions so they pillaged our tax dollars

Management had nothing to do with it?Labor unions got what they got from bargaining,got a problem with that?

#160 | Posted by bruceaz

I drive an '09 Pontiac G6 and my wife drives an '08 Ford Taurus X.

Go fuck yourself.

Management had nothing to do with it?Labor unions got what they got from bargaining,got a problem with that?

#161 | Posted by bruceaz

Management had plenty to do with it.

What I have a problem with is propping up a failed business model and depriving the likes of Ford, Hyundai, Toyota, Honda, Fisker, Volkswagen, etc from gobbling up GM's market share if they were allowed to fail as they clearly did.

Ford would have been the biggest beneficiary by far, yet, too bad for them, they out-compete GM, took zero tax-payer dollars only to have GM awarded with $30 billion to keep them alive. It's bullshit.

My wife drives a Subaru. I love that car. We get around well in most of the terrain around here. Good mpg. It has 190k miles and still going. When it finally takes a shit on us, I'll buy another.

My 1 ton is 94 Ford diesel. Crew cab. Good truck. I've got over 200k on that pickup. 14 quarts of oil ole Red takes. I get around 18 mpg with her.

Isn't the G6 made in Australia?
Go fuck yourself

go fuck yourself

Sorry posted that before I read 163

Isn't the G6 made in Australia?

It's not made at all anymore, Pontiac has been dissolved.

#164 | Posted by wurster

18 mpg in a one-ton? Diesel makes so much more sense than electric or hybrid. Diesels last a long-time as well - I'd be willing to bet that you'll get another 100k out of that motor.

Labor unions got what they got from bargaining,got a problem with that?

When the unions have the clear advantage because of closed shop laws -- yes I do. In right to work states (like Texas) I've no problem with it at all. It's a fair deal for both sides then

Sorry posted that before I read 163

#166 | Posted by bruceaz

No worries - I told you to fuck yourself first.

When the unions have the clear advantage because of closed shop laws -- yes I do. In right to work states (like Texas) I've no problem with it at all. It's a fair deal for both sides then

#168 | Posted by goatman

Exactly. That great sucking sound that we were told about has gone as much toward states like Texas as it has out-of-the country.

Michigan has been run into the ground by unions.

In right to work states (like Texas)

Az too,lots of different opinions on that.But Texas is probably like Arizona."You get paid in sunshine"lol

Diesel makes so much more sense than electric or hybrid

Yes,I love to hear them clacking down the road and they smell so good.

'Yes,I love to hear them clacking down the road and they smell so good.'

My diesel smell comes in handy when someone is riding my ass. I'll just downshift and give 'em a good dose of exhaust. Usually does the trick.

I do enjoy the sound of my diesel, though at times I miss a good 302 with some pipes.

Diesel has come a long way in the last 15 years, Bruce.

Much quieter and far less odorous than they used to be.

Gobs of low-end torque, great mileage and longevity - they are very prominent in passenger cars in Europe for good reason.

I do enjoy the sound of my diesel, though at times I miss a good 302 with some pipes.

#173 | Posted by wurster

The last production 302 produced 215 horsepower. Ford's new "5.0" produces 412 horsepower!

Az too,lots of different opinions on that

Of course there are. The unions love closed shop states. The have a clear bargaining advantage.

#174 | Posted by JeffJ

The main fact is that Americans don't like diesel, so there is no demand. I think those VW diesels can go over 50 mpg. They're quiet too.

Usually does the trick

So you're that asshole,LOL

Tomorrow its going to be 111 degrees.I don't have AC in my car.Arizona is big truck country,even though most don't need a truck.So I'm going to be sitting at a stop light tomorrow with my window open and have a 4 inch diameter exhaust pipe blowing in so some fucker can commute.

'The last production 302 produced 215 horsepower. Ford's new "5.0" produces 412 horsepower!'

The 302 block is one of the best. No, not production, but with a few very simple improvements... Better than a chevy 350 IMO.

Wurster,

Part of the problem is that diesel fuel is more expensive than petrol, which kinda negates the mpg advantage.

I think those VW diesels can go over 50 mpg. They're quiet too.

I have a cousin who owns a diesel Jetta; he absolutely loves it.

So you're that asshole,LOL

Then back off.

The unions love closed shop states

Right to Work.

Employee and employer have an agreement that can be terminated at anytime without cause or retribution.

I don't like the color of your shirt,your fired.

Before you say anything,I'm self employed.

The 302 block is one of the best. No, not production, but with a few very simple improvements... Better than a chevy 350 IMO.

I always felt the 350 was over-rated. Give me a 351 Cleveland any day over the Chevy 350.

I did say Cleveland, right?

FAR better than the Windsor.

'Part of the problem is that diesel fuel is more expensive than petrol, which kinda negates the mpg advantage.'

This is where government's role comes into question. You can make diesel out of just about anything. The only reason they can't make it and sell it....government.

FAR better than the Windsor.

Oh,so now you have a problem with Canadians,LOL

I don't like the color of your shirt,your fired.

I don't care for that aspect of 'right to work', but I tend to look at things from a big picture standpoint. Sometimes you take the bad with the good.

It's really not a lot different than utilizing a temp agency for labor - they can be let go at any time for any reason.

You can make diesel out of just about anything. The only reason they can't make it and sell it....government.

Yep.

Oh,so now you have a problem with Canadians,LOL

#186 | Posted by bruceaz

They truck their garbage into my state of Michigan (I am serious).

Screw Canada! They don't even play hockey very well any more.

I've gotta run.

Have a great evening, gentlemen.

I don't like the color of your shirt,your fired.

Is it an Obama shirt? Of course that has nothing to do with color, but yeah, you're fired.

Diesel used to be less expensive than unleaded. What happened to change that?

It's really not a lot different than utilizing a temp agency for labor

You hit that nail on the head JeffJ.

The fact of the matter,I worked as an aerospace machinest for over thirty years in AZ.They came pretty close to matching union wages and benefits (though not quite) to keep the unions out.And I for one thank the unions for that.Hell,I'll even be getting a pension.They have those anymore,young folks?401k isn't the same,they harvest that at every bubble.

Diesel used to be less expensive than unleaded.

Willie Nelson has an operation in Texas that makes bio diesel.

Is it an Obama shirt?

Who cares,you have more senators in congress than represetatives

Is it an Obama shirt?

Who cares,you have more senators in congress than represetatives

double poster,I hate those guys

And I know ,its machinist

Yeah, I know. But I wouldn't trade it for all the reps in CA. And THANK GOD I don't have them.

Anyway, I was just making a colored joke.

Anyway, I was just making a colored joke.

I didn't catch that,but it was pretty good .

Actually,you would be an idiot to wear an Obama shirt to work,considering how things are going.

PS,Pelosi loves you

PS,Pelosi loves you

She doesn't love me. She works to take away our resources and force us to get on government subsidies. That way liberals can scoff at us when we need money.

"GM has been operating at a loss in no small part due to inflated labor costs."

Bullshit. GM has been operating at a loss in no small part due to stupid management decisions. They decided long ago to take bigger bonuses and higher pay instead of fully funding the pension & health funds, laying off the costs onto future cars. The day the "future" came, and it turned out to be $1500 a car was when they started hemorrhaging. Ford has the same labor costs, and it's turning a profit. GM also bet the farm on giant SUVs, which wasn't decided on by the workers.

"In right to work states (like Texas) I've no problem with it at all. It's a fair deal for both sides then"

Nonsense. If a non-union worker gets a job in a Union shop, he doesn't have to pay a dime in dues, yet gets all the protections of the contract, and has the right to demand the Union enforce every aspect of the contract he's freeloading on. It's possible for non-union workers to qualify for Union health care and a Union pension without ever joining or paying dues.

#202 | Posted by Danforth

You're right. But a non-union worker is going to be ostracized. He's not part of the team.

Yes these business owners and CEOs have found the profit formula. Instead of the old jealousy piss-face, why can't our leaders learn something from these people?
The fed is going broke - the States are going broke and cities are going broke.
Higher profits mean more money for R&D for potentially more jobs to be created.
NO company that is going broke can expand or hire.

They outsource like banshees now. Talk about creating American jobs is only that ... talk.

Most of the large financial firms are hiring like mad in India and elsewhere, or bringing in H-1B workers. Wall Street has laid off thousands of Americans in the last few years and replaced them with Chinese and Indian H-1B workers they put up and pay much less than the Americans who used to have those jobs. Especially in IT.

Paying CEO's bazillions only cuts profits from the bottom line, doesn't it? As the article points out, they could have retained thousands at each company that paid their CEO's huge bonuses.

What's especially egregious is when corporations lose money, but their CEO's get millions anyway.

People who stick up for their greed should have their heads examined.

GM has been operating at a loss in no small part due to stupid management decisions.

Read #163 - you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

What's especially egregious is when corporations lose money, but their CEO's get millions anyway.

Most of the time CEO pay is determined by the shareholders; more specifically, a compensation board approved of by the shareholders.

As the article points out, they could have retained thousands at each company that paid their CEO's huge bonuses.

Corporations aren't in business to keep workers, they are in business to earn a profit.

It's callous but it's also reality.

JEFF

Sadly, shareholders don't really have much say unless they have huge holdings and lots of proxy votes to boot.

#24 In America, CEO's, or anyone else for that matter, have the right to make as much money as the market will allow. It's called capitalism!

Why is it that CEO's can make as much as the market can bare but the workers can't? That's the problem with your form of capitalism. Union workers aren't allowed to make as much as the market can bare? How can conservatives only be for management making as much as they want?

"How can conservatives only be for management making as much as they want?"

That is the $64,000 question. Years of demonizing unions has caused millions of Americans to oppose anything which would benefit themselves or their children. No one has ever accused the American voter of being too intelligent.

Most of the large financial firms are hiring like mad in India and elsewhere, or bringing in H-1B workers. Wall Street has laid off thousands of Americans in the last few years and replaced them with Chinese and Indian H-1B workers they put up and pay much less than the Americans who used to have those jobs. Especially in IT.

Paying CEO's bazillions only cuts profits from the bottom line, doesn't it? As the article points out, they could have retained thousands at each company that paid their CEO's huge bonuses.

What's especially egregious is when corporations lose money, but their CEO's get millions anyway.

People who stick up for their greed should have their heads examined.

#205 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I can assume then that you actively investigate a corporation/company before performing any transactions and subsequently do not buy products or invest with/in firms that are laying off thousands of American workers and replacing with lower-paid Chinese and Indian workers.

Do you have a list of these corporations/companies and could you post it here so that we too can make the same decisions as you to avoid supporting these obviously un-American entities? Tx.

Higher profits mean more money for R&D for potentially more jobs to be created.

#204 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Of course, all this is entirely dependent on a company manufacturing a product that people want, and most importantly, can afford to buy.

Flash! The regulations and open questions of how far left this country is swinging is forcing this dymnamic to occur. Do you think that most CEO's want to pay millions for EPA, OSHA, and other impact studies before they can break ground on a project? Do you think they really want to take their projects to China of Viet Nam? Do you think they like leaving Baltimore for Brazil? Having sold out all of the communities that they used to support in tax and time, with volunteer programs and softball league involvement?

These restrictions must be curbed. Bring suit if they are bad, otherwise leave them alone. Cut the weight of the Federal oversight and you will see prosperity return to the middle class!

And the CEO's will be well paid!

Its the trickle down effect in action.

Piss on the worker.

Its the trickle down effect in action.

Piss on the worker.

#215 | Posted by donnerboy

Bullshit!

What the hell does any company "owe" to its employees?

The basic employment contract is that if you show up for work today, the company will pay you. Sometimes they throw in vacation, but not always.

"Read #163"

I did.

You stated "GM has been operating at a loss in no small part due to inflated labor costs." But Ford has the same labor costs, and it is turning a profit. That blows your theory all to hell.

What the hell does any company "owe" to its employees?

THAT kind of thinking my friends is EXACTLY what is wrong in America today. That is why we had such an Epic Fail at the end of the Bush Error.

These CEO's do owe something to this country and the people who made it possible for them to get wealthy in the first place. They don't "owe" them something for nothing but if they had the courage to take a cut in salary for the sake of their workers then everyone wins.

You can't see the disparity of a CEO making a 25 million dollar salary and then laying off 9,000 of his workers?

I guess not.

I guess that is why they call you "Special".

'GM has been operating at a loss in no small part due to inflated labor costs.'

General Motors reported its second straight quarter of profitability this morning,

What the hell does any company "owe" to its employees?

That is the mentality of the short sighted person.

Nothing legally beyond owed wages and benefits under contracts.

Morally? They owe them a bundle. Without employees the business would be nowhere.

Is it legal for a CEO to take $25 million while putting Americans out of work? Sure.

Is it moral. Not in my book.

I guess if we gave him another tax cut, he would hire them employees back.

CRISPEE

It didn't take you 2 seconds to turn this topic political. I hadn't.

Quit whining, troll

#152 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-09-02 04:02 PM

Nah... Of course this may not help your pathetic sniveling. Look at that, it was the first post. But, but I am the one who made it politcal in what did you say? Two seconds?

Righties will be along shortly to get the CEO's backs.
#1 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-09-01 05:42 P

Too funny. Nice try Americunty. Owned again.

Flash! The regulations and open questions of how far left this country is swinging is forcing this dymnamic to occur. Do you think that most CEO's want to pay millions for EPA, OSHA, and other impact studies before they can break ground on a project? Do you think they really want to take their projects to China of Viet Nam? Do you think they like leaving Baltimore for Brazil?

If it were left to Corporations there would be no more hills in the US, they would be strip mined, huge gouges in hillsides would be left bare to flow mud into the towns with every rain. If it were left to Corporations there would be no more forests, they would have fallen all the trees and not planted more because of the bottom line. If it were left to Corporations there wouldn't be any clean water or clean air, because that too effects the bottom line. If it were left to Corporations, there would be 5 year olds working on the factory line because kids only need a quarter a week for their allowance. If it were left to Corporations if you got hurt on the job you would be fired, their defense would be you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

Just a few miles up the freeway from where I live is a small town, they were effected by PGE. You can get land real cheap there, but you don't dare drink the water, or swim in it or water your animals with it. You've probably seen the movie about that town, Erin Brockovich.

Corporations don't do things for the benefit of their workers or the people living in the community unless they are forced to or it benefits their bottom line in some way.