Barack Obama. African-born Socialist/Black Muslim Anti-Christ.

Everybody knew it was DOA from the get-go. Next comes bombs and bullets.

Barack Obama. African-born Socialist/Black Muslim Anti-Christ.

Libs are upset that the Nobel Peace Prize winner is sounding more and more like Bush.

No, actually he is sounding more and more like Hillary Clinton.

#2 lmao, you know, Ray was optimistic about something once in 1955, but she left him standing on the corner, too.

No, actually he is sounding more and more like Hillary Clinton.

You say Hillary. Others say Bush.

#2 lmao, you know, Ray was optimistic about something once in 1955, but she left him standing on the corner, too.

You've laughed your ass off so many times, all you have left is a hole.

Benjamin Netanyahu is a retard trap.

Naysayers may regret their pessimism. I listened to his speech yesterday, he even mentioned the terrorists who killed four Israelis including a pregnant woman and said he would not allow terrorists to derail the peace process. I think the man is very serious about some sort of progress towards an agreement.

Yea Right. You are the biggest mass murdered after the USA. You told Obama to pack sand on a moratorium on the settlements and now you act like you are the moderate..... you are only fooling your constituents.

I think the man is very serious about some sort of progress towards an agreement.
#7 | Posted by danni

The man refuses to own up to Israeli terrorism. The Palestinians rightly see agreement imposed on Israeli terms.

Wow, Syria, Lebenon, and the Saudis are not on the guestlist. Did they forget to RSVP?

"The Palestinians cannot make peace with a house divided. If Gaza is excluded from the framework of peace, it will remain a source of conflict, undermining any final settlement," Mubarak wrote.

Sounds like someone should throw a "Palestinians Unite" rager.

Walk away President Obama-ain't nothing going to happen. Between Hamas and the illegal settlement expansion, this turkey is already done.

PS Take all the money with you.

I think the man is very serious about some sort of progress towards an agreement.

#7 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2010-09-02 08:14 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I hope you're right. But with Hamas saying that they'd sign an agreement only when the Jews are out of the area, I think that this deal is DOA. Maybe nice for some news highlights, but I'm not sure it's happen'n.

I'm sure Hamas will be on board this time...

I'm sure Israelis will actually stop creating and growing settlements this time....

I'm sure Israelis will actually stop creating and growing settlements this time....

#14 | POSTED BY MONTECORE

Yeah, that really compares to unloading on a pregnant woman at close range...

Oh no! they're building houses where the Palestinians want to fire rockets from! Those fucking Heebs!

Yeah, that really compares to unloading on a pregnant woman at close range...

Of course the Israelis would never think of doing something so crude. Phosphorous bombs are more sophisticated.

Oh no! they're building houses where the Palestinians want to fire rockets from! Those fucking Heebs!

Perfect logic. If they have no homes, there is no place to fire rockets from.

Of course the Israelis would never think of doing something so crude. Phosphorous bombs are more sophisticated.

Again, shit that happens in battle really compares to pulling up next to a car firing into it until it stops, then getting out and at close range unloading again killing 4, one of them a pregnant woman.

The lengths you guys go to defend Hamas is astonishing...

Perfect logic. If they have no homes, there is no place to fire rockets from.

#16 | POSTED BY RAY

Israel pulled all its forces out of Gaza and that's all the Palestinians did with the new land. Fired more rockets from closer range. What reason should Israel have to believe they won't do the same thing in the West Bank?

Rob-if you're so upset about killing pregnant women, what's your take on this IDF shirt?

Israel doesn't want peace. With peace, they can't steal more land.

Rob-if you're so upset about killing pregnant women, what's your take on this IDF shirt?
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#19 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3

Whats my take on a shirt? You want me to get mad over a cartoon drawing? Sorry, I'm not a Muslim...

i like how none of the models for the shirts showed their face.

while the design was in the back, what's on the front?

Again, shit that happens in battle really compares to pulling up next to a car firing into it until it stops, then getting out and at close range unloading again killing 4, one of them a pregnant woman.

People can get pretty pissed off when they see relatives and friends suffer tremendously from phosphorous burns that eat their flesh down to bone. Like you said, shit happens in battle. As Rumsfield famously said, soldiers make do with what they have.

The lengths you guys go to defend Hamas is astonishing...

Your callousness and indifference to the suffering of Palestinians is disgusting. As I recall, the siege on Gaza began immediately after Hamas was elected to lead the Palestinians.

Israel pulled all its forces out of Gaza and that's all the Palestinians did with the new land. Fired more rockets from closer range. What reason should Israel have to believe they won't do the same thing in the West Bank?

It's obvious to them that the Israelis intend to push them out of the West Bank and Gaza, even if they did nothing. It's a simple case of people defending their homes against overwhelming force. People generally don't take kindly to having their homes confiscated.

i am hopeful, but not expectant for peace from this meeting.

that doesn't mean progress can't be made, just extremely doubtful full fledged peace is an immediate, or even soon, result.

"Israel pulled all its forces out of Gaza"

"It's obvious to them that the Israelis intend to push them out of the West Bank and Gaza"

Why would Israel want peace. American soldiers are fighting their wars. American dollars are supporting Israel. America is becoming the focal point of hate from the muslims around the world, replacing Israel from that spot. We are their lapdogs.

#25 | Posted by NotMyRealName

And your point is?

Let's take care of our own country. Israel doesn't give a F...k about the USA, so we should say ....you're on your own.

Your callousness and indifference to the suffering of Palestinians is disgusting.

The Palestinians control their own destiny in regards to their suffering. How much money, time, effort have they put into trying to destroy Israel? Something they clearly suck balls at.

Now, take that money, time, effort and put it into building schools, hospitals and most importantly not attacking Israeli civilians!

What would Palestine look like then? Israel would have no need to attack them, ever, and the world would be more inclined to help them. There would be no boycotts of their border on the sea, the Egyptians wouldn't have the border sealed.

There could be absolute peace and an actual nation of Palestine if they would just commit to peace and cast out these groups like Hamas who exist solely to destroy Israel.

you know I'm right.

Netanyahu is a total and complete liar/fraud and any hope of him supporting peace is a pipe dream. He constantly lies to the US to keep sucking on our teat. Meanwhile, Abbas does not speak for the Palestinian people so he is unable to negotiate anything. We need to cut of 100% of US aid, only then will there be peace.

Frankly I don't quite see why Israel doesn't exterminate every last Palestinian man, woman, and child. That's how Jewish legend and hero King David would have done it.

It's Israel's misfortune they weren't founded a century earlier than 1948. Back then, a little blood on the hands wouldn't have bothered people nearly so much.

And your point is?

#27 | POSTED BY RAY

my point is that why things may seem 'obvious' it doesn't make them true.

The Palestinians control their own destiny in regards to their suffering. How much money, time, effort have they put into trying to destroy Israel? Something they clearly suck balls at.

As history shows, they decided to resist the taking of their homeland from the very beginning before Israel was formally a nation.

Now, take that money, time, effort and put it into building schools, hospitals and most importantly not attacking Israeli civilians!

The Israelis have proven beyond all doubt that they won't stop until they've purged Israel from Palestinians.

you know I'm right.
#29 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

I think you are either naive or as pathological as the Israelis. The Israels think they stole the land fair and square. The Palestinians aren't giving in to their oppressors. That's the nature of the problem. Maybe I'll live long enough to see it settled.

The Palestinians control their own destiny in regards to their suffering.

No they don't. The PA is about as corrupt a government as you'll find.

my point is that why things may seem 'obvious' it doesn't make them true.
#32 | Posted by NotMyRealName

On moral issues, I look for the initial aggressor. That would be the Israelis and their Zionist supporters. I remind you too that Zionism is a racist ideology. If it wasn't for 50 years of unrelenting media noise about the tit-for-tat battles between the Israelis and the Palestinians, I would rather ignore the whole issue. Let them work it out, winner take all.

the only problem with looking at the initial aggressor is that after so long it is not longer the same fight.

ideas, ideals, and the people fighting are constantly changing and so is the scale and ferocity.

at this point neither side is right or wrong and it seems like neither want to compromise as well.

i wish the US has not put so much effort and money into Israel, but it doesn't look like we are going to leave them alone anytime soon.

Barack Obama. African-born Socialist/Black Muslim Anti-Christ.

#1 | Posted by Corky

Now that's spaghetti talk!

Maybe I'll live long enough to see it settled.

It seemed reasonable to be optimistic that with Sharon and Arafat gone, maybe there would be hope.

Turns out, that wasn't the case after all.

Because, as we know now, Israel made the bed they must now lay in by granting early support for Hamas as a foil for the pro-Soviet (and pro-Syria) PLO. It's almost exactly the same thing we did creating Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan to counter the Soviet. And right around the same time, too. (And right around the time Islamists stormed our embassy in Iran... maybe USA and Israel thought if they engaged the radical Islam they helped create, they could control it more? But I digress.)

This leads me to believe the Palestine/Israel conflict won't be resolved until the next generation of wind-up toys has run out of juice. Give them another 20 years. By then, Israel will have officially converted to an Apartheid state in order to bar the non-Jewish majority from political discourse in the Jewish "Democracy." But once all that unpleasantness is sorted out, with any luck they'll follow a similar trajectory as South Africa.

Let them work it out, winner take all.

How about a "winner take nothing" solution in which much of the Middle East becomes highly radioactive? Including, ironically, the land the Palestinians want to reclaim from Israel...

the only problem with looking at the initial aggressor is that after so long it is not longer the same fight
#36 | Posted by NotMyRealName

The Israelis are still the initial aggressors and the Palestinians are still the defenders.

i wish the US has not put so much effort and money into Israel, but it doesn't look like we are going to leave them alone anytime soon.

I share the same sentiments. I also fear there is a war coming against Iran. It might be years away, but the issue is still growing in intensity. Americans are being conditioned by years of lying propaganda. It's the same pattern that lead to the invasion of Iraq.

How about a "winner take nothing" solution in which much of the Middle East becomes highly radioactive? Including, ironically, the land the Palestinians want to reclaim from Israel...
#39 | Posted by snoofy

I seriously doubt that will happen. After Truman showed the world the horror, it would be suicide for any nation or terrorist cell to try it again. The MAD doctrine of the Cold War seems to work.

The MAD doctrine of the Cold War seems to work.

I agree with Ray, and that's why a nuclear Iran doesn't scare me. We already have a nuclear Pakistan, a nation many here on the Drudge Retort view as a festering Islamic cesspool, and they haven't nuked anyone.

I also fear there is a war coming against Iran.

Well, I guess it's no surprise why Iran wants nukes. They'd rather have MAD than get bombed.

Also, Iran will be a much harder fight than the "cakewalk" in Iraq. It's much larger, has many more people, and is militarily more advanced, and the terrain more hostile. And they haven't been softened up by a Desert Storm, a No-Fly Zone, and a decade of sanctions.

The Israelis have proven beyond all doubt that they won't stop until they've purged Israel from Palestinians.

Its so tiring how stupid the anti-Israel/pro-Hamas crowd is.

Hey dumbfuck, Israel has a military supplied by America. The Palestinians stand no chance against Israel. If they wanted to they could have purged the Palestinians a long fucking time ago, especially in the wake of 9/11 when Palestinians were dancing in the streets celebrating the attack. No one in the Western world would have stopped them. You're an idiot. Do the world a favor and have unprotected sex with Magic Johnson.

Does this affect the price of gasoline in washington state?
If not, then I'll just ignore it as just irrelevent

"Of course the Israelis would never think of doing something so crude. Phosphorous bombs are more sophisticated."

Again, shit that happens in battle really compares to pulling up next to a car firing into it until it stops, then getting out and at close range unloading again killing 4, one of them a pregnant woman.
The lengths you guys go to defend Hamas is astonishing...
#17 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-09-02 07:57 PM

WHERE has anyone "defended Hamas", you stupid, lying asshole?

WHERE has anyone "defended Hamas", you stupid, lying asshole?

#45 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

Might be wrong here but Hamas represents in the palestinian government a sizable portion if not a majority of their parliament... since that election a defense of the Palestinians is a defense of Hamas since they are one in the same.

WHERE has anyone "defended Hamas", you stupid, lying asshole?
#45 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

Might be wrong here but Hamas represents in the palestinian government a sizable portion if not a majority of their parliament... since that election a defense of the Palestinians is a defense of Hamas since they are one in the same.
#46 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-09-03 01:19 AM

From what I understand Hamas is an Israeli construct, but I could also be entirely misrepresenting the issue. Either way, Netanyahu isn't interested in anything less than a seven month "construction season", and I'd be surprised if the "talks" result in anything less.

From what I understand Hamas is an Israeli construct, but I could also be entirely misrepresenting the issue

To paraphrase from the movie Seven... when you're sitting around in your underwear and own (or possibly someone else's) feces, do you ever stop and say, "wow... I'm fucking crazy!"

Just curious.

Rob_The_A_Hole,

You owe it to yourself to not be ignorant.

Palestine is an illegitimate state with no mandate to exist, other than the desire of the surrounding Arab nations to keep that scum out of their own countries. The Palestinians overwhelmingly elected a terrorist-run regime that attacks the Israeli parts of Israel on a daily basis and denies Israel's right to exist. There can be no peace as no amount of appeasement will satisfy them. Even when Arafat was offered everything he was asking for, he chose war over even an overture towards peace.

where is this going as long as hamass denies the right of israeli to exist?

Even when Arafat was offered everything he was asking for

When, according to your false revisionist history, did that happen?

Hey dumbfuck, Israel has a military supplied by America. The Palestinians stand no chance against Israel. If they wanted to they could have purged the Palestinians a long fucking time ago, especially in the wake of 9/11 when Palestinians were dancing in the streets celebrating the attack. No one in the Western world would have stopped them. You're an idiot. Do the world a favor and have unprotected sex with Magic Johnson.
#43 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

What are the Israelis waiting for? It certainly isn't out of kindness. Maybe, in their pathological minds, they want maximize Palestinian suffering.

One outstanding characteric of psychopaths is that they can't empthasize. Likewise, you seem to have no understanding of why Palestinians hate Americans and Israelies.

Libs are upset that the Nobel Peace Prize winner is sounding more and more like Bush.#3 | POSTED BY RAY AT 2010-09-01 05:32 PM | REPLY | FLAG:ANOTHER CROW EATING CONSERVACLOWN GRASPING AT STRAWS TRYING TO CREDIT BUSH WITH BEING THE SECOND US PRESIDENT TO NEGOTIATE A MIDDLE EASTERN PEACE AGREEMENT

Lemme seeeee.... you republiclowns are always saying he will be like Jimm-eh Carter... well in the sense that Jimm-eh was the only US president in history to negotiate a peace agreement in the Middle East... you are right.... way better than Bush-holes fear of armageddon approach.

Palestine is an illegitimate state with no mandate to exist, other than the desire of the surrounding of the surrounding Arab nations to keep that scum out of their own countries

Jesus of Nazereth traveled all over Palestine... its in the Bible!

Israel was conquered and dissolved long ago... and in 1948 a bunch of American/European politicians decided to take it back to solve their communist "Jewish" problem... you know Hitler ridded Poland of kibbutzes too... it has been the U.S.'s socialist nation building pet project for the last 62 years.... sort of like Alaska.. only more violent with the displacement of native peoples.

Even if Netanyahu were serious it really doesn't matter. Abbas is not a legitimate partner for peace negotations. No Palestinian is. Why? Because no Palestinian has both the means and the desire to enforce any kind of peace agreement. None of them are willing to say they would take action against Hamas if Hamas were to violate such an agreement. And Hamas rejects peace with Israel unconditionally. If the one thing the other side wants from you is an end to attacks and you flat at say you can't or won't deliver on any such promise, you have no business showing up to the table in the first place. And Netanyahu knows this, which leads me to believe he's just grandstanding in this case.

The Palestinians have given Hamas veto power over the peace process and until that changes, there is nothing to talk about.

"it has been the U.S.'s socialist nation building pet project for the last 62 years...."

You literally have to be completely ignorant of the history of Israel to believe this.

Jewish migration to the region goes back much further than 62 years and the US wasn't the driving force behind it.

truer words were never spoken

If the palestinians lay down thier arms, there will be no war

IF Israel lays down thier weapons, there will be no Israel

For example, in the occupied Palestinian city of Gaza in 1981, Israeli soldiers -- who had shown no hesitation in brutally suppressing peaceful pro-PLO demonstrations -- stood by when a group of Islamic extremists attacked and burned a PLO-affiliated health clinic in Gaza for offering family-planning services for women.

In the name of perpetuating their forever war with Palestine the Israelis have indeed supported (indirectly to be sure) extremism while cock blocking moderates at every turn. They did this in order to able to turn to the rest of the world and say "We DO want peace but look at them they are so violent!".

But the suffering and misery have gone for so long on that a few have begun to realize that this tactic is both odious and counter productive for Israel.

Hopefully more people realize this soon.

Be Well.

while hamas celebrates the murder of jewish pregnant woman

YEP that sounds like something radical leftists can get behind

If the palestinians lay down thier arms, there will be no war

Just complete subjection to an occupier.

IF Israel lays down thier weapons, there will be no Israel

They made enemies for life. Now they have to deal with it.

Ha ha ha ha!
Please (sarc)!

"Every peace begins with leaders?"
What a load of horsecrap! What a liar.

Unless peace was misspelled, (when it comes to Israel) they meant the PIECE process.

while hamas celebrates the murder of jewish pregnant woman
YEP that sounds like something radical leftists can get behind

and how many pregnant women did Bush-hole kill looking for WMD's? YOu were doing the happy dance when the bombs started dropping asshole.

and how many pregnant women did Bush-hole kill looking for WMD's?

I get it. Since Bush "killed" pregnant people, it's OK for Hamas to? No? Then why bring up Bush? He hasn't been president for over a year and a half and has absolutely nothing to do with this story

Fucking paleo-libs. Move on, you guys.

On a lighter note, I wish that Hamas would change their name. Everytime I see/hear it I think of a tasty garbanzo bean and tahini dish eaten with pita bread.

Move on, you guys.

#63 | Posted by goatman

ok ...soon as we clean up this mess...oops sorry...this might take a while...

and why are you all over the Bush dude but you let that shit about "radical leftists can getting behind" the "murder of jewish pregnant women" slide?

both statements were kinda dumb but one definitely precipitated the other.

oops sorry...this might take a while

I'm glad you are honest enough to admit the dems aren't up to the task of fixing things

If the palestinians lay down thier arms, there will be no war
Just complete subjection to an occupier.
IF Israel lays down thier weapons, there will be no Israel
They made enemies for life. Now they have to deal with it.

I notice nothing in your statements that gives anything to Israel.

Just complete subjection to an occupier.

But at least they get to survive.

They made enemies for life. Now they have to deal with it

Statements like this are exactly why this stalemate isnt resolved. They have to deal with it? Well they ARE. They are surviving! They are arguing with the palestininans who have nothing to offer and nothing to lose. People like you dont care about Israel. Which is why if I were Israel, I wouldnt negotiate. Why should she?

I notice nothing in your statements that gives anything to Israel.

Why bother? Israel takes what it wants at the point of a gun, and has done so for the last 60 years.

The only thing Israel cannot take in this way is peace. And it is the only thing it has not had in the last 60 years.

Just complete subjection to an occupier.

But at least they get to survive.

"If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it." -- Clayton "Boaz" Williams

Israel takes what it wants at the point of a gun, and has done so for the last 60 years.

And Hamas has done so too with rockets. So where does that leave us? It shows no one wants to give. So. Then whoever wins, wins. But Hamas still complains. And liberals listen. Do you think Hamas would be giving any ground if they had it and Israel didnt? There is the double standard.

The only thing Israel cannot take in this way is peace.

So you are telling me that Hamas can? They are trying to use force every as much as Israel.

I think one of the biggest obstacles to peace is the Palestinians have so little to lose. A desperate, cornered enemy with nothing to lose is a very gritty opponent.

YOu were doing the happy dance when the bombs started dropping asshole.

#62 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2010-09-03 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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the statment proves that I may be an asshole but you are irrelavant to any discussion on a topic such as this...you have not a fucking clue as to what I did when the bombs started dropping, but that doesnt stop radical leftists fucks from anything now does it?