Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, August 31, 2010

How is it possible that a fifth of this country believes Obama is Muslim, without any evidence? Tunku Varadarajan on cockamamie American beliefs and why so many cling to them: "[S]omething is very wrong with America's political discourse -- and certainly on its fringes. It suggests ignorance, of course, but a very provocative, toxic ignorance, one in which there is an imperviousness to facts in the pursuit of political warfare. This is not dumbness, or denseness, or illiteracy, but belligerent unenlightenment."

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Varadarajan offers examples under the various headings and concludes:

On reflection, I am less worried by the fact that a fifth of the inhabitants of this great country believe that Obama is Muslim than by the fact that 60 percent of them are unwilling, or unable, to accept the scientific basis of evolution. I suspect that Obama, too -- for all his personal angst over the Muslim aspersion -- will be with squarely with me on this one. Political bias can be a fleeting sickness; profound ignorance, on the other hand, can be incurable.

Tunku Varadarajan???

What kinda stupid name is that??

Stupid damn furriners don't know squat about America.

An' what th' hell's he mean by 'ignorant' anyways?

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Zzzzzz zzzzzz zzzzzz!

#3 | Posted by KBM at 2010-08-31 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag: #4 on the list.

Did this help?

My experience has been that Americans are no more ignorant than people anywhere else. We are, however, more willing than many to admit our ignorance and analyse it. Unfortunately we're too cowed by teacher's unions and churches to actually do much about it.

#6 | Posted by valis | Flag: #3

New World Man by Rush describes and defines America perfectly.

He's wise enough to know what's right
But fool enough not to choose it
He's strong enough to win the world
But weak enough to lose it

But we have world class basketball.................

Many Americans choose to be the ignorant boobs they are, they think it makes them more "American."

come on danni...you know better than that........most of the times its just a matter of being busy doing something else...like feeding families and shit like that.

BUT could you write "BOOBS" again...

:)

( o) (o )

Many Americans choose to be the ignorant boobs they are, they think it makes them more "American."

#10 | Posted by danni

ABSOLUTELY!!!! I have heard my fellow Alabamians (who I would like to nominate Alkababble as a honorary member) proclaim at high volume their ignorance and lack of thinking skills. And I have found, in my travels, every single place I have ever been, especially the red states, in the US, suffers from the same disease.

But, what else can you expect when the church, your place of employment and the media all encourage people to be ignorant and sdiscourage debate and dissent? They play to the base elements, knowing that this will drive off the thinking people. Then you take that and mix it with the self-serving needs of the baby boomers and stupidity of country music you have a real mess that will only end in failure.

most of the times its just a matter of being busy doing something else...like feeding families and shit like that.

Which, apparently no other nation has to cope with. Hell, it's so much better to watch 5 hours of some fake reality TV than a 60 minute NOVA episode.

boy, is everyone gonna feel stupid when they find out the truth. the inquirer confirmed BO to be a Mooslim. I saw it in the grocery store just last night.

Kan, your Rush lyrics seem a bit off. Not to nit-pick, but I'm just looking out for you. Neil Peart once jabbed some dude in the eye with a drumstick when a fan in the front row sang out "Maybe as his eyes are white" during Tom Sawyer.

The only way a person could actually believe that President Obama was a Muslim is if that person is a complete and total idiot. And yet many many rightwingers genuinely believe President Obama is a Muslim. What can we conclude from this? What can we conclude about the overall intelligence of Republicans in general?


The Taxonomy of American Ignorance
How is it possible that a fifth of this country believes Obama is Muslim, without any evidence?

Posted by doc_sarvis

Are you still ranting over this bullshit?

I can't believe that because Obama has not been Presidential enough to lead this country, you want to blame this on Americans?

Got news for ya! They don't care.

What else? This is really bad for Obama!

I can see why you would want to shift the blame.

Americans are sick and tired of you and the left doing this. I think they will just vote you into oblivion...

I LOVE this country!!!

for the Eagles it all began with

running down the road trying to loosen my load....

for the ignorant is all begins with religion as practiced by "true believers", ready to die for a cause and absolutely certain of its correctness and righteousness

The only way a person could actually believe that President Obama was a Muslim is if that person is a complete and total idiot. And yet many many rightwingers genuinely believe President Obama is a Muslim. What can we conclude from this? What can we conclude about the overall intelligence of Republicans in general?

You might conclude that this belief reduces Obama's chances of getting reelected.

How is it possible that a fifth of this country believes Obama is Muslim, without any evidence?

Do we have evidence that he isn't?


The only way a person could actually believe that President Obama was a Muslim is if that person is a complete and total idiot.
#18 | Posted by moder8

I believe he could be a Muslim. I don't have any evidence to the contrary and I don't have any evidence supporting it.

In addition, it affects me in a positive way if I go around spreading this rumor.

Am I an idiot? I'm smarter than you... You best be careful who you call an idiot.

By the middle of Oct, half the country will believe him a Muslim... Or maybe not.

Who cares, really? I don't.

Do I care if he's a Christian because he attended the Wright Church for 20 years or did he attend for political gain?

I don't care!

One might consider that the "muslim" thing is yet another easy way to poke at limpwristed pud's like you.

I do love how the same fucking retards calling him a muslim were the ones crying loudest about his long time pastor Rev Wright...

Eddie opines:

"Am I an idiot?

Yes, Eddie...you most definitely are.

.

Ignorance is at the root off all your frustration.

(I keep saying that because it is true.)

i theorize it could be due to poor research design.

"I believe he could be a Muslim. I don't have any evidence to the contrary and I don't have any evidence supporting it."

I believe George Bush could be a Wiccan. I don't have any evidence to the contrary and I don't have any evidence supporting it.

I believe Eric Cantor could be a Reptoid. I don't have any evidence to the contrary and I don't have any evidence supporting it.

I believe the Moon could be made of green cheese. I don't have any evidence to the contrary and I don't have any evidence supporting it.

If the Democrats get trashed in November, as looks likely, I can see the whiny Left blaming it on stupidity and ignorance. Of course, in their eyes, it has nothing to do with the sinking economy because Obama has good intentions.

Per Eddie: Am I an idiot?

Are you fucking kidding me? You are the stupidest person on the Drudge Retort. You are dumber than BL2 with a lobotomy. You are dumber than JeffNDenmark on stupid pills. You are so dumb that nobody, not even rightwingers, want to be sided with you in an argument. You are so dumb that most of the time it makes readers want to cry.

YES. LET THERE BE NO CONFUSION ON THIS POINT. YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

The only way a person could actually believe that President Obama was a Muslim is if that person is a complete and total idiot. And yet many many rightwingers genuinely believe President Obama is a Muslim. What can we conclude from this? What can we conclude about the overall intelligence of Republicans in general?

#18 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2010-08-31 05:01 PM | REPLY | FLAG

and only a moron could believe 911 was George Bush's brainchild, yet there're a bunch of lefties who believe that too. can we conclude that lefties are, as a group, retarded because of this?

lefties think we should give terrorists all of the same Constitutional protections as American citizens. Does that make all Democrats dumb? Using Moder8 logic, apparently yes.

Only a fucking retard like that broad eddie could bring Moder8, Sarvis, and I together.

Seriously eddie, you're one dumb mother fucker. You're basically LarryMohr with typing skills.

"Only a fucking retard like that broad eddie could bring Moder8, Sarvis, and I together."

Yeah, it's like getting derailed inside the Fun House, only much, much more scary.

the sweetest sound in the world is the morning call to prayer,what christian said that?

Actually Somoco, your logic is flawed. Lots of conspiracy theorists, leftwing and rightwing, continue to argue to this day that various groups such as the GWB Administration and Israelis and Wall Street Bankers were actually behind the 9-1-1 attacks. And they are all idiots. Basically, as a group, all conspiracy theorists are indeed idiots.

Except when it turns out they are right, - a la Enron and the increase of gas prices in California.

As for those who believe that terrororists should be afforded Constitutional protections, that is not a matter of intelligence but rather one of political perspective. Unlike the issue of whether or not President Obama.

the sweetest sound in the world is the morning call to prayer,what christian said that?

#34 | Posted by semtex111

Zed?

(psst.....check your facts. I know it's hard for you, but try.)

There's about as much evidence of Obama being a Muslim as there was of Bush buttfucking Jeff Gannon, and we saw no shortage of those references over the years.

Deal with it.

#10 and #14... AMEN! now make them millionaires and billionaires and we're off to the races (towards hell)... welcome to Naples, Florida (highest county, depending on who you ask, median income in the nation) where Rick Scott will easily carry the vote for gov.

test

As for those who believe that terrororists should be afforded Constitutional protections, that is not a matter of intelligence but rather one of political perspective. Unlike the issue of whether or not President Obama.

#35 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2010-08-31 05:33 PM | REPLY | FLAG

nah. point is the same. every group has its nuts. doesn't mean the group is nuts as a whole. you espouse to hate racism, but are so quick to label with a broad brush. it is interesting...

Do we have evidence he isn't?

Well, one reason would be that he left Indonesia at age 10, prior to the age at which a father who is a devout Muslim begins to make a boy begin to pray. But his father was a scholar, a member of Phi Beta Kappa, and was an atheist, although his own father had converted to Islam. Add to this the fact that Barak Jr. went to some public school and then St. Francis of Assisi school in Jakarta, then went to live with his grandparents at age 10 in Hawaii where he attended prep school while living with no Muslims, then after living in New York for a while he worked for four years for the Catholic diocese in Chicago. The Catholics back then would not have hired a Muslim. The only way somebody could believe he is a Muslim would be if they were ig-nernt.

That Obama sure is a tricky mother fucker. He sat in the pews of a black pastor preaching hate against whitey for 20 years, had that preacher marry him and that manbeast, had Sashona and Maliqua baptized by him, quoted him in his book, and took his words for his book's title just to throw us off his muslim scent.

I swear, with genius like that he must be half black, half asian.

"test"

Posted by grumpy_too

Congratulations, you passed!


Yes, Eddie...you most definitely are.

#25 | Posted by Dave

One born every minute...

I swear, with genius like that he must be half black, half asian.

AKA "Blasian".

YES. LET THERE BE NO CONFUSION ON THIS POINT. YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

#30 | Posted by moder8

But you're answering me...

Anyway, the reason you're answering me is because Doc started yet another 1/5 of Americans are idiots because they think he's a Muslim.

I proved this wrong in a few short sentences and you are upset about it.

I find this comical and everyone reading the thread can't believe that I can suck so many in with simplified trolling: "Am I an idiot".

I'm beginning to like the simpletons on this site.

Yeah, it's like getting derailed inside the Fun House, only much, much more scary.

#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

LOL! It's your thread I derailed and you think me an idiot?

How many morons can I gather into one thread today?

I didn't really set out to do that, though.

It's just the idiotic statement Doc repeated and I could not help myself.

"This is not dumbness, or denseness, or illiteracy, but belligerent unenlightenment.
Posted by doc_sarvis "

Doc, and others... How long are you all going to be stupid!??! You could have just passed it up and said nothing, but you stumbled.

Yes, foreigners enjoy laughing at American ignorance, such as voting in an incompetent as president simply because he spouted empty epithets like "hope" and "change", and he happened to be black (but not not TOO black).

The Muslim question is one that he has (maybe unwittingly) perpetuated. If he is a Christian, he's a very bad one, attending an activist Black Liberation church more interested in revolutionary politics than anything related to Christianity. On Christmas, he chooses to stay home. He is quick to praise Islam while often criticizing Christian teachings. He called HIMSELF a Muslim on network
television. Sure, just a slip of the tongue. But maybe a Freudian
slip? This sure invalidates that people may suspect this guy as being a closet Muslim on NO evidence. There's PLENTY of circumstantial evidence, and empty denials only get you so far. Why the stonewalling of his real birth certificate? Going even so far as to have special laws in Hawaii to protect his records in particular. Sure, probably nothing, but not enough to dismiss the critics as crackpots. Remember the Bush National Guard records? Same furor, just the roles were reversed.

We know Obama is a troubled soul, from a troubled upbringing filled with abandonment and uncertainty. Abandoned by his bio-dad, dumped on his grandparents while his flaky mother found another third-worlder to hook up with. Then off to Indonesia, where he was listed as an Indonesian Muslim in school, and you know how terribly he must have fit in. Mom dies early, dad #2 is out of the picture, and now back to the USA with a double name change (Soetro out, Barry in). Now more days with the revolutionary, America-hating crowd at Columbia, but those records are hidden, too. Columbia is on the upper west side of Manhattan. Why did he stay with an acknowledged drug dealer down in the lower Manhattan about 45 minutes away by subway? His graduate school records are also on lock-down, and his pre-political work life is filled with mysteries and un-answered questions.

It's one thing for people to make accusations without proof, but when the evidence has been systematically hidden, you can't go back and call it wrong to have suspicions, when by design the evidence one way or the other has been thoroughly disappeared.

"but belligerent unenlightenment"

Doc, LOL!!!

Do you think that these belligerent unenlighted will be voting anything close to Democrat for the next 5 or 6 elections. The belligerent unenlightened are growing in ranks and the more you are belligerent unenlightened, the faster they will grow.

I guess you missed this point.

#48 | Posted by Dinsey

What do you want him to do? Wear his Birth Cert on his forehead?

His graduate school records are also on lock-down, and his pre-political work life is filled with mysteries and un-answered questions.
#48 | Posted by Dinsey

I know! And they call "birthers" loony...

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

I really want to know what Soetro is hiding.

It doesn't matter. He's already proven to be incompetent.

didn't read any of it, but this is my opinion:

humans are social creatures by nature and tend to agree with the majority, imo.

memory is often times changed or trumped by other people opinions.

once a "fact" or something that has been repeated many times is ingrained in someones head, it is very difficult to dislodge.

most often where the fact came from is not as important as that is what they remember and that is what they will continue to believe even when faced with a plethora of evidence to the contrary.

I don't give a shit if he is Muslim. I don't give a shit that he can't produce his original birth certificate. I don't give a shit about his grades in college or what his thesis was about. All I give a shit about isthat he is acting like a fucking Socialist and instead of reigning in government size and spending he is rapidly expanding both and borrowing money at a rate much higher rate than both Bush's and Reagan combined. His little hand puppets in Congress are about to be hobbled soon and he knows it. If the Republicans have any balls they will hand him budgets that are the size of when they gave Clinton his budgets in 1999.

As for this article you libs truly think that everyone who doesn't agree with you is just some kind of retard. That is the typical arrogance that is losing you Congress this year just like in 94'

Doc, and others... How long are you all going to be stupid!??! You could have just passed it up and said nothing, but you stumbled.

#47 | Posted by Eddie

Are you sure that you are not Takeitez? I would bet a six-pack you are.

Reading your ignoramus shit is like watching old people fuck. Slow, Sloppy and ultimately, fail.

I have a serious question for you. And please keep the emotions to a minimum and try to stick to the facts. What do you think the Doc Sarvis's of the world would do to ruin your 'perfect america' if they were in charge?

"Am I an idiot?"

Not yet, but if you work hard and study, you might make it that far someday.

"How is it possible that a fifth of this country believes Obama is Muslim, without any evidence?"

The same holds true for that fifth that believes he is a Christian with out any evidence. The other 3/5th's have doubts either way.

I retired from the Feds (IT) two yrs ago.Under Bush,starting in late 2001
IT Contractors showed up with lucrative contracts.Sometimes there were 3 contractors for each Fed! The Fed Government grew by 25%. This a true Conservative? I'm not blaming Bush,I served whoever was in office,gratefully. I have an autographed Retirement letter signed by W and Laura that hangs in the family room. FYI

It is PSUDO-intellectuals like this idiot that think they are superior (and I put a lot of you in this category) by running down America and thinking the British or the Europeans are sOOOO superior. "I have just returned from London, which I pronounce to be a saner city, by far, than New York" ...hey - F U -

I work with a lot of Europeans...and a dumber bunch of people I have never seen.

"How is it possible that a fifth of this country believes Obama is Muslim, without any evidence" That premise in itself is wrong. There is PLENTY of Evidence.

1)Obama has pushed for establishing a Palestinian state over the objection of Israel's Prime Minister, inclusion of Turkey in the European Union

2)He has turned away from confronting Iran or any other Muslim country. He is letting IRAN go Nuclear without so much as a harsh word. Do you think REAGAN would have allowed that?

3)" "We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semite"

4)"In Indonesia, I'd spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I'd pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended. Just a parched old nun and 30 brown children, muttering words. Sometimes the nun would catch me, and her stern look would force my lids back shut. But that didn't change how I felt inside."

5) He has not selected any church to attend

7) "The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country - I know, because I am one of them."

8)"Obama's wife Michelle does not accompany him to Muslim nations because Sharia law would apply to her there; on a presidential trip she was with him until France, but then returned home"

9) In a TV interview he stated "my Muslim faith." before being rescued by the interviewer

10)Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset," and recited "with a first-class Arabic accent" the opening lines: Allah is Supreme! ... I witness that there is no god but Allah

11)Obama raised nearly $1 million and campaigned for a Kenyan presidential candidate who had a written agreement with Muslim leaders promising to convert Kenya to an Islamic state that bans Christianity

12) He never salutes troops - he hold his hands over his dick...for he believe the American military is responsible for killing innocent Muslims

13)On the campaign trail, Obama was reading "The Post-American World" by Fareed Zakaria,[223] which is written from a Muslim point-of-view

14)Obama visited "more than one mosque" in Kenya while on a political trip there but did not visit any churches, although there are a large proportion of churches and even a National Temple in Kenya

15)Obama botched his public oath of office in which he placed his hand on a Bible, then chose not to use the Bible for his real, private oath

16)At the G20 summit in April 2009, Obama bowed deeply to Saudi King Abdullah, a Muslim who is also the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques

Just because this guys is too clueless or chooses not to see the reality - or the European's choose to believe what they are lead by their press to believe - does not mean that Americas who think for themselves follow as blindly as this guy...or Danni or American Unity et. al.

"2)He has turned away from confronting Iran or any other Muslim country. He is letting IRAN go Nuclear without so much as a harsh word. Do you think REAGAN would have allowed that?"

No... Reagan would have tucked his tail between his legs and run away. You know, like Beirut.

"9) In a TV interview he stated "my Muslim faith." before being rescued by the interviewer"

Oops.

"15)Obama botched his public oath of office ..."

Oops.

"16)At the G20 summit in April 2009, Obama bowed deeply to Saudi King Abdullah..."

Oops.

I suspect that the rest of the list is just as suspect.

All I give a shit about isthat he is acting like a fucking Socialist and instead of reigning in government size and spending he is rapidly expanding both and borrowing money at a rate much higher rate than both Bush's and Reagan combined.
#53 | Posted by bph320

No one on the left is going to acknowledge this little tidbit of truth. Why? Then they would have to admit that this is Obama's recession.

"Then they would have to admit that this is Obama's recession."

Oops.

Belligerent ignorance is a great way to describe it. Open hostility to the facts lets one remain "open-minded" no matter what, allowing falsehood exists on equal footing with reality.

In the Slashdot world, they've seen this for years. Over there it's called FUD. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. When your argument has no merit, start the whispers, half-truths, and outright fabrications.

How is it possible that a fifth of this country believes Obama is Muslim, without any evidence?

Do we have evidence that he isn't?

Sniper is echoing what Hillary Clinton said in the primaries. I would not have thought it possible.

"No one on the left is going to acknowledge this little tidbit of truth. Why?"

One reason might be Bush didn't have to deal with the debt service on Bush's borrowing. Another might be Iraq was "off-budget". And a third might be Dubya was delivered true surplus budgets and handed off deficits as far as the eye could see.

But no one on the right is going to acknowledge this little tidbit of truth. Why?


"Am I an idiot?"

Not yet, but if you work hard and study, you might make it that far someday.

#55 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

You mean I might be like you someday?

Steve Martin grinning

I find this comical and everyone reading the thread can't believe that I can suck so many....

#46 | Posted by Eddie

"No one on the left is going to acknowledge this little tidbit of truth. Why?"

One reason might be Bush didn't have to deal with the debt service on Bush's borrowing. Another might be Iraq was "off-budget". And a third might be Dubya was delivered true surplus budgets and handed off deficits as far as the eye could see.

But no one on the right is going to acknowledge this little tidbit of truth. Why?

#63 | Posted by Danforth

Wow! I didn't know you would "ignore" it that quickly!

(LOL!)


I find this comical and everyone reading the thread can't believe that I can suck so many....

#46 | Posted by Eddie

#65 | Posted by mOntecOre

Your time of the month, mOnte?

"Then they would have to admit that this is Obama's recession."

Oops.

Who cares what they call it. Call it goatman's recession if you want. I don't care. Just fucking fix it.

I wonder about some people's priorities . . .

Who cares what they call it. Call it goatman's recession if you want. I don't care. Just fucking fix it.

I wonder about some people's priorities . . .

#68 | Posted by goatman

Amen!

"You mean I might be like you someday?"

Eddie:

No matter what you do, you will always remain unique.

Trust me.

Seriously eddie, you're one dumb mother fucker. You're basically LarryMohr with typing skills.

Yeah, eddie really is a MohrOn.

Yeah, eddie really is a MohrOn.

#71 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Hey! Don't take it out on me because you come to the retort and find out new things about yourself that you don't like.

"
1. Baseless Belief as Confirmation of Bias

In a letter to The New York Times in response to the Brooks piece, Scott O. Lilienfield, a psychology professor at Emory, wrote that much of our political discourse is marked by "rampant confirmation bias," in which people "deny, dismiss, and distort evidence" that is not consistent with their beliefs. The fifth of Americans who hold that Obama is Muslim are unquestionably those for whom the president can do no right."

This describes the 9/11 truthers phenomenon also...

Even if Obama was a Muslim... Who cares.....

Even if Obama was a Muslim... Who cares.....
#73 | Posted by BLABBERMOUTH | Flag: #3 and/or #4

Who cares? C'mon, don't be disingenuous. Surely you're aware that being Muslim in the US today could be expected to bring on heavy consequences for a participant in the political process.

So Americans are stupid, and since 1930 the Democrats have held majorities in one or both sides of Congress roughly 75% - 80% of the time.

Makes you want to go Hmmmmmmm!

Unlike the issue of whether or not President Obama.

#35 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2010-08-31 05:33 PM | REPLY | FLAG: CANNOT COMPLETE A SIMPLE SENTENCE

Eddie you are a true champion for the ignorant American mass. You spout out an insult and at the same time you totally disregard anything anyone else says. Your response is crass in order to change direction of conversation. You have NO facts to support what you are saying yet continue to do so since people respond to your bull and get caught up in your game. You play it like a true politician.

Does the president's religion matter in the slightest? I thought America was a separation of State and Religion. If it is then who cares, Obama may as well be an atheist. I have no proof confirming or denying if Obama is an atheist, but if i took a bunch of random occurrences in his life and presented it to you all I bet I could convince you all he doesn't believe in God at all.

Did anyone read the whole article or did everyone read the headline and start popping off? There are 15 other misconceptions that the author discusses. Why isnt anyone debating whether: Geithner Worked for Goldman, or whether Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's Disease, and what Im mainly wondering about: Teri Hatcher had Plastic Surgery!?!?!

American Ignorance is completely based on American's Dependence on Television. Why Think for yourself when people on the screen can tell you what to think. They are on television, they must know the truth and have insight that the rest of us could only hope for. Television is a tool the government uses to brain wash its masses. You are all suspect.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack

Seriously. Look how many words you just wasted on that stupid skirt.
Who's the ignorant one?

Simply call her a name and move on. She's too fucking stupid to understand anything else.

Do you think REAGAN would have allowed that?"

No... Reagan would have tucked his tail between his legs and run away. You know, like Beirut.

After first killing 250 Marines in one fell swoop with his ignorance.

www.youtube.com

www.youtube.com

Do we have evidence that he isn't?

Circular Logic is Circular.

Obama's refusal to release his original birth certificate fuels this. The "transparent" administration Obama promised was a lie. Back door deals and lack of transparency have made this one of the most secretive administrations ever. Obama's favor was a muslim and he spent his younger years in Indonesia. I talk him at his word though, that he is a Christian.

"My experience has been that Americans are no more ignorant than people anywhere else."

You'd have to be pretty ignorant not to know that.

But shame on you for ruining a good circle jerk.

"...among the general populace, just 25 percent agree with the assessment that the Bush administration is guilty of war crimes..."

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