I'd bet good money that this douche didn't listen to one speech today and knows dick about whether it was angry or trying to divide people.

Furthermore, that's not the Martin Luther Kind jr Memorial, its the mother fucking Lincoln Memorial. If the location and this day was so damn special to hacks like Lewis and Sharpton and Jackson then why the fuck didn't they arrange for a rally there before Beck did.

It must be so awesome to have the "you're a racist" card to play whenever you want... nah fuck it, I'd still rather be white.

"Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., one of the most celebrated leaders of the civil rights movement, called the timing of Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally an insult."

Bravo, Rep. Lewis.

You have the gravitas ("...the last surviving speaker at the 1963 rally.") which makes this opinion worth something.

It is spot-on accurate... and respected.

Rep. Lewis: Bravo.

For Beck to reclaim the civil rights movement is beyond ludicrous, borders on double speak. This clown said the president has a deep seated hatred for white people and other racist comments, he knows nothing about the civil rights movement except that he wasn't part of it in any way.

"...he knows nothing about the civil rights movement except that he wasn't part of it in any way."

Not only wasn't he a part of it in any way, becky wasn't even born when Martin Luther King, Jr. gave his speech 47 years ago.

Was the Beck rally about civil rights?

Was the Beck rally about civil rights?

#5 | POSTED BY MSGT

Does finding out the actual motives behind it really matter when dickbags like Lewis can just call him a racist and write off the whole thing rather than listen and try to understand each other?

This day only became so special when Beck planned a rally for it.

For Beck to reclaim the civil rights movement is beyond ludicrous, borders on double speak.

It's a shame the civil rights movement has degenerated to this. You have a hard time finding racism, so you just start making things up. This time Danni, I wont let you get away with it. Stop making things up. No where did Beck say anything about civil rights. The more I listen to race baiters like you, the more I dislike liberals. Everything isnt about race. And one day, I am going to dedicate my life to freeing my race from the slavery that is the progressive agenda.

You have a hard time finding racism, so you just start making things up.

Half the White House is still White!! The struggle continues! (Please make your donations to anyone with "Rev." in front of their name)

"I'd bet good money that this douche didn't listen to one speech today and knows dick about whether it was angry or trying to divide people."

Rob:

Find some facts to back up that statement and we'll listen to you. Otherwise, it's just Righty Inflammation Tactic No. 104-B: Stir people up with innuendo and insinuation that has no factual basis.

Sharpton and his crowd of charlatans were just as free to book the Lincoln Memorial site as anyone else. Since they declined to do so, they get no whining rights. Anyone even slightly familiar with Beck will know his respect for Lincoln and the founding fathers. So sorry, black people, (especially black liberals) but you do not OWN Lincoln. That capability went out with slavery...

And those wanting to celebrate MLK were free to join in with Sharpton and a few hundred others in Washington DC and engage in the liberal bitch-fest that is now black activism in this country. So doubtless there were many more MLK fans at the Beck rally than the "black-endorsed" one.

Find some facts to back up that statement and we'll listen to you.

Its just my opinion big guy... I doubt he listened to anything that took place today. I've heard/read some of what was going on today and haven't come across any anger or division. Shouldn't Lewis come out and say "I was wrong for prejudging Beck?"

Righty Inflammation Tactic No. 104-B: Stir people up with innuendo and insinuation that has no factual basis.

By the way, how'd you get the handbook?

Was the Beck rally about civil rights?

No, it was about State's rights. No matter Beck's rhetoric:

"This is going to be an iconic event," Beck says. "This is going to be a moment that you'll never be able to paint people as haters, racists, none of it. This is a moment, quite honestly, that I think we reclaim the civil rights movement. It has been so distorted and so turned upside down. It is an abomination."

Any Black man or woman would be stupid to even consider voting for the GOP... look at what voting 95%+ for the DNC has done for the Black Community!! Everything is so awesome for every Black American, the thought of changing their voting habits is just laughable...

Stop making things up. No where did Beck say anything about civil rights.

#7 | Posted by boaz

I bet no one black american caught the special Beck did on Blacks in the founding of this nation. So sad we cant even listen to each other. Especially since the democratic party starts yelling race all the time. One day, we will be free.

Slavery is three generations away from my family. And my last name is the name of a slave owner, of whom I am a direct decendant. But I am not due reparations. I have enough to remind me of slavery and my lineage. And because of my light skin, I am disparaged by blacks.

Before racism can end in America, blacks will have to put it down. Until that time, it will go on.

Before racism can end in America, blacks will have to put it down.

Then how will Al and Jesse and every other "civil rights" leader pay the bills?

They may have to get real jobs..

I bet no one black american caught the special Beck did on Blacks in the founding of this nation.

#16 | Posted by boaz

I can't imagine anyone who takes history seriously thinking that it would be a good idea to let Beck teach them history. Go read a few history books.

It's amazing how the dicks line up to speak about something they have no idea about. I'm sure not one of you assholes bothered to attend the rally or even listen to Beck's show in the last two days before the rally.

Shame on all of you for your worthless opinion.

You all condemn something without listening to it. What a damn shame.

"Its just my opinion"

Well, my opinion is that for Beck to choose the anniversary of the "I Have a Dream" speech (first claiming it coincidental, then calling it "divine providence") and to use the phrase "for too long, this country has wandered in darkness" has to be in the running for some sort of Execrable Taste Award at the very least. Personally, that phrase felt to me like code for "Obama is black and we don't like that."

As your Potentate of Pustulating Punditry, Rush Limbaugh, says, I'm just throwing that out there. That's what people are saying.

That's what people are saying.

"for too long, this country has wandered in darkness"

Bullshit. That's just what liberals want blacks to think. I have no reason to think Beck is racist. Sometimes words mean just what they say, no hidden meaning there.

#21 | Posted by mysterytoy

I use to listen to Beck sometimes. He spends most of his time disparaging and diminishing the ideas of anyone with a difference of opinion for the sake of his simple-minded target audience, instead of encouraging civil discussion towards solutions. I'm not interested anymore.

What'sleft;; "I use to listen to Beck sometimes. He spends most of his time disparaging and diminishing the ideas of anyone with a difference of opinion for the sake of his simple-minded target audience, instead of encouraging civil discussion towards solutions. I'm not interested anymore."

Not personally into Beck, have heard him a time or two on the radio (like you), but your comments are a mirror of what the old defunct air america would say about the right. ---- So what is the difference???

Lewis doesn't have to go. But I'm sure he will. And he'll pretend to hear the n-word thrown his way, even though no microphones will be able to pick them up.

"Bullshit. That's just what liberals want blacks to think. I have no reason to think Beck is racist. Sometimes words mean just what they say, no hidden meaning there."

How very disingenuous of you.

How very disingenuous of you.

How so? Because I dont see racism at every turn like the liberal manual says to? I left that plantation years ago..

I think one of these $25 "I'm Beck and I'm Proud!" t-shirts may be a collectors item one day.

So what is the difference???

#25 | Posted by MSgt

Very little difference in the volume of divisiveness. I rarely listened to them either.

"How so? Because I dont see racism at every turn like the liberal manual says to? I left that plantation years ago."

Tch-tch, hmpf.

so is building a mosque at ground zero but you lefties don't seem to care about how it insults those victims?

As soon as the race card is played suddenly it matters.

I think one of these $25 "I'm Beck and I'm Proud!" t-shirts may be a collectors item one day.

#29 | Posted by mysterytoy

Great! It'll go with all the lava lamps that replicate the inside of a right wing brain.

"so is building a mosque at ground zero"

Not a mosque, not at ground zero.

Are you really that stupid Scatfroth, or just ignorant of reality?

BTW, John Lewis is a lying race pimp who makes a living fomenting racial division for personal gain...

He is a peice of shit.

I don't know why but this reminds me of the time someone got stabbed in the eye at 'Human Kindness Day' on the mall.

Beck raised 5.5 million from this event to help children of dead vets get a college education. Kudos.

That's great. Hopefully he won't give it to Sean Hannity's scam 'Freedom Alliance'.

Mush-mouth Lewis is a fool. The good news for libs is that most people can't understand a word he says.

"or just ignorant of reality?"

Not a mosque, not at ground zero.

"...here are the facts: The building in question is planned to be a Muslim community center, a sort of YMCA (or, I suppose, YMMA). The plans are for it to have fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court), a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant and a cooking school, exhibition space, a library, art studios, a 9/11 memorial--the impudence! the outrage!--and childcare facilities (which no doubt will soon be referred to as a "Manhattan Madrasa"). And it's also going to house a mosque. But calling the entire building a mosque is a bit like referring to the Empire State Building as a 103-story Walgreens because the pharmacy chain has a store on the ground floor. And for that matter it's important to keep in mind that it's not at ground zero. It's two blocks north of ground zero, on a street running parallel to the old World Trade Center site."

Dan, has this project accomplished it's stated mission?

Dan, has this project accomplished it's stated mission?

#43 | Posted by victorymask at 2010-08-29 02:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Can you think of any role American Muslims might play in the US without your reflexive stance that they were all responsible for 9/11 until proven innocent by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh?

Wow. That new mosque sounds like New Life Church. Or Saddleback. They've got all that stuff too.

Libbies are funny. They run editorials all the time about the evils of megachurches. But when the Islamists build them, they're all okay. Weird.

No where did Beck say anything about civil rights.

Glenn Beck has said repeatedly that he was trying to "reclaim the civil rights movement" with this rally.

On May 26, he said this on his radio show: "We are on the right side of history. We are on the side of individual freedoms and liberties and damn it, we will reclaim the civil rights moment. We will take that movement because we were the people that did it in the first place."

I think one of these $25 "I'm Beck and I'm Proud!" t-shirts may be a collectors item one day.

Their value depends on what kind of scandal ruins his career.

Given statements like that, I don't see how anyone can believe his new claim that the date of the rally was unintentional.

#46 | POSTED BY RCADE

But so what if it was intentional? Is it only democrats that can speak on Aug 28 at the lincoln memorial? Or is it only black people can speak there?

Just because the Black community is stupid enough to vote 95%+ to one political group, doesn't make every GOPer a racist.

Someone above posted they raised over $5 million for children of fallen soldiers and it doesn't sound like there was even any overly political speech at the event yesterday. So in the end what was so wrong with Beck having a rally on Aug 28 at the Lincoln Memorial?

"But so what if it was intentional?"

You're serious?

Okay, so what?

It makes him a liar.

Sorry, I erred.

It wouldn't make Glenn Beck a liar. He's already well ensconsed in that niche.

It would confirm his status as a liar.

There, fixed it myself.

But so what if it was intentional?

Explain to me how a large gathering of conservative white people, fueled by a group that's highly opposed to the first black president, is "reclaiming the civil rights movement." What is the civil rights issue Beck is championing here? Who are the mistreated minority -- the country's white majority? Is it a civil rights violation for Republicans to lose elections?

It makes him a liar.

#49 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Maybe he'd prefer to be called a liar than a racist which surely would have followed news that he booked the site/date intentionally.

"Maybe he'd prefer to be called a liar..."

He doesn't really have a choice, does he?

Explain to me how a large gathering of conservative white people

I didn't know it was an invitation only event and those invitations only went out to White conservatives. That is strange.

No, I thought, I guess mistakenly that anyone could have showed up and assumed that Black people just didn't show up because of their silly devotion to rich Left leaning people that do nothing for them and their neighborhoods.

Maybe he'd prefer to be called a liar than a racist which surely would have followed news that he booked the site/date intentionally.
#52 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

The idea of Glennn Beck booking the site, knowing the date's significance, for rally that eventually morphed into a God Fest, and lying and what he knew is...well, "hilarious" wouldn't be an inaccurate description.

for a rally that eventually morphed into a God Fest, and lying about what he knew

More coffee!

I'm curious what you and Rcade and Rep. Lewis and all these other "ITS A SACRED DAY" screaming nut jobs did on August 28th last year?

It was on a Friday so of course all of you took off of work right? Went down to the Lincoln Memorial? Maybe went to King's grave and left a rose? Marched for some cause?

Must of been something really special because the idea of Beck booking this date (intentionally or unintentionally) is such a crime against civil rights movement and good people everywhere right? So feel free to just jot down a few of the things you did (Your mother... there I took the captain obvious joke) last August 28th to pay respect to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and his "I Have A Dream" speech.

More coffee!

#56 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

On that we can agree...

LOL, Rob

I didn't know it was an invitation only event and those invitations only went out to White conservatives. That is strange.

"... the crowd was very large, very patriotic and very white."

"... the crowd was very large, very patriotic and very white."

So you are saying the liberals arent patriotic? I would rather be with the patriotic group anyday.

No, I thought, I guess mistakenly that anyone could have showed up and assumed that Black people just didn't show up because of their silly devotion to rich Left leaning people that do nothing for them and their neighborhoods.

Good comment Rob..

If you have a source for claiming it wasn't a bunch of white conservatives who came to see the white conservative Glenn Beck and the white conservative Sarah Palin, by all means share a link.

No it was very White... probably 99% White. Doesn't make it racist that Blacks didn't show up, it just further drives home that the Black community is not smart with their voting.

Sorry, but that is undeniable. When over 90% of a group votes religiously to one party 2 things happen: A) their vote is taken for granted by the party they vote for and B) their voice is entirely ignored by the party they don't vote for.

Unless you have a link that things are just going swimmingly for Black Americans, in which case by all means share.

You ask some dumb questions. I never said the day was sacred. I just called out Beck for the dishonesty of claiming his choice of date was unintentional.

#60 | POSTED BY RCADE

Yeah, I just lumped you and every other liberal in the same category cuz I felt like it.

But I've actually figured out now the "outrage" libs are having over this day and location. You're all a bunch of fucking toddlers. You don't care about this date or this location you just saw someone else playing with something you saw as yours and now you want it back. And if it were given back to you you'd just ignore it all over again. All you care about is no one else playing with your toy.

BTW the above description probably is true of most Ground Zero Mosque protesters as well.

So you are saying the liberals arent patriotic?

Liberals are as patriotic as anybody else, but they are more invested in the patriotism of defending the Constitution than in putting flag decals on your car.

"it just further drives home that the Black community is not smart with their voting."

Maybe it's just me, but if I was told by not one, but two heads of a Political National Committee I had been used as a pawn to get out the votes of people who hated me, I might think twice about voting for that group.

"You don't care about this date or this location you just saw someone else playing with something you saw as yours and now you want it back"

Speaking for myself, I never cared about the date or the location. Beck's overly dramatic descriptions (...two flights down, as it should be...) were pretty silly, but his suggestion they were reclaiming the civil rights movement was simultaneously ludicrous and insulting.

This is typical liberal spew. Create drama where none previously existed.

Speaking for myself, I never cared about the date or the location.

I think the rhetoric of "reclaiming the civil rights movement" is so ridiculous I'm amazed anyone wants to be a part of that. I'd feel stupid standing in that sea of white people, pretending that we're an aggrieved minority fighting for our denied rights. I'd also be concerned about where that kind of rhetoric was going.

Dear white conservative Republicans: Losing an election is not a violation of your rights. If you don't like losing elections, nominate candidates who are better at getting votes.

Maybe it's just me, but if I was told by not one, but two heads of a Political National Committee I had been used as a pawn to get out the votes of people who hated me, I might think twice about voting for that group.

Okay, fine, but we only have two political parties and that pendulum of power swings pretty fast. The GOP might retake the congress this year after losing it back in 2006. They'll be inclined to help those who got them back into power. Black Americans will not be among that group.

But what if say 30-40% of Blacks did vote for the GOP? Well then they probably wouldn't be left out in the cold. The GOP has shown they can win without their vote, so its really not a big deal to me if they keep voting almost 100% with the DNC and not getting anything in return (because eventually they'll just stop voting altogether and it will hurt the DNC more than it the GOP).

"Okay, fine, but we only have two political parties and that pendulum of power swings pretty fast. The GOP might retake the congress this year after losing it back in 2006. They'll be inclined to help those who got them back into power. Black Americans will not be among that group."

You're looking at it backwards. Folks don't vote for a candidate or a party on the hopes that will make them change, they first need something from that party, or maybe more likely, something from the other party to force them away. I don't see anything the Rs have done to woo black voters, and after some of the racist utterings we've seen since Obama became a candidate, it seems the Rs are forcing them away.

"what if say 30-40% of Blacks did vote for the GOP? Well then they probably wouldn't be left out in the cold."

Well, at least you've admitted they've been left out in the cold.

"voting almost 100% with the DNC and not getting anything in return "

Since one party votes to continue unemployment, the other votes to end it, and blacks have a larger percentage of unemployed, your statement is clearly incorrect, at least on that one issue. About the only argument I've heard from the Rs is that welfare and handouts are, in the long run, detrimental...but I don't know too many people who vote that way, even if they actually believe a group who has already admitted using them as pawns to get out the white-racial vote would have their best interests at heart.

Bravo Lewis and all others that saw through this ego stroke hosted by two people who think they matter, and need to constantly remind themselves that they think they matter.

Since one party votes to continue unemployment, the other votes to end it, and blacks have a larger percentage of unemployed, your statement is clearly incorrect, at least on that one issue. About the only argument I've heard from the Rs is that welfare and handouts are, in the long run, detrimental...

Again, that's stupid with their vote. Maybe they should wonder why their unemployment is so high, why their cities/neighborhoods are so dangerous, their schools so terrible.

Inner city problems didn't start with the Bush Administration. I lived in Newark NJ before Bush was sworn in and it was a shit hole then, like it is now. The constant theme in awful cities like Detroit, Newark, Philly , Baltimore etc is that the Democrats continually win thanks in large part to nearly unanimous support from the Black community. Like you said it gets them perpetual unemployment benefits, but then again, hasn't it also gotten them perpetual unemployment?

two people who think they matter, and need to constantly remind themselves that they think they matter.

Somewhere between 300-500K people showed up to hear them speak... on the campaign trail I believe Obama's biggest number was 250K and that was in Berlin. So maybe they're a wee bit more important than you're giving them credit for.

Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., one of the most celebrated leaders of the civil rights movement, called the timing of Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally an insult. "It's an affront to what the civil rights movement stood for,"

I think lewis has a very short memory. King would throw a shit fit if he saw what his movement has turned into.

"Maybe they should wonder why their unemployment is so high, why their cities/neighborhoods are so dangerous, their schools so terrible."

What did your great-grandfathers do? What about your grandfathers? On my mother's side, they were a business owner and a pharmacist, respectively. My mother went to college when very few women did, and spent every spare moment teaching me; I could read at the 3rd-4th grade level before I started first grade, including some 5th-6th grade books. Now compare that to a family where great-grandma could be whipped or killed for teaching grandma to read, and then grandma, with her limited skills, tried to pass those down. I shudder to think how my life would have been different had, for example, my mother been illiterate. I'm not saying this is a valid enough excuse, but I've always thought we should try to grab one generation of kids, pour money into Head Start-type programs, and try to fix that problem once and for all. (Sorry to go all Whitney Houston on you.)

"Inner city problems didn't start with the Bush Administration."

Who said they did? But the Southern Strategy began with the Nixon Administration.

"Like you said it gets them perpetual unemployment benefits, but then again, hasn't it also gotten them perpetual unemployment?"

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Because unemployment benefits cause unemployment.

What did your great-grandfathers do? What about your grandfathers?

I know one of my Great Grandfathers was in construction... worked up high on the Ben Franklin Bridge in Philly. I think another was some kind of cop. Paternal grandfather was a doctor, maternal owned his own business.

I'm not saying this is a valid enough excuse, but I've always thought we should try to grab one generation of kids, pour money into Head Start-type programs, and try to fix that problem once and for all

We have been pouring money into the shit cities for a long long time.

"Inner city problems didn't start with the Bush Administration."
Who said they did?

Not you... just had a feeling that excuse was coming from someone soon.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Because unemployment benefits cause unemployment.

#73 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I didn't say that, I was just pointing out that in order to benefit from perpetual unemployment insurance, you have to be perpetually unemployed... which is quite bad.

Somewhere between 300-500K people showed up to hear them speak. ...

I think the CBS News-commissioned estimate of under 100,000 is more likely to be true than the estimate of the event organizers.

"I think the CBS News-commissioned estimate of under 100,000 is more likely to be true than the estimate of the event organizers."

Unfortunately, the guy they commissioned was Dan Rather.

Unfortunately, the guy they commissioned was Dan Rather.

Then his count will be right, but the paper it was written on will be too new and using the wrong typeface for the time.

I think the CBS News-commissioned estimate of under 100,000 is more likely to be true than the estimate of the event organizers.

#75 | POSTED BY RCADE

The 300K came from NBC...

Many in the crowd said they had never been to a Tea Party rally, but they described themselves as avid Glenn Beck fans, and many said they had been motivated to come by faith.

It seems it was a meeting for the Glenn Beck Fan Club which makes the large turn out even more scary actually.

Unfortunately, the guy they commissioned was Dan Rather.

#76 | Posted by Danforth

You mean dan dosen't speak the truth all the time?

It seems it was a meeting for the Glenn Beck Fan Club which makes the large turn out even more scary actually.

#79 | POSTED BY KANREI

I think that was the true theme of the rally... show off how large Beck's support was going into the November elections. The DNC can't be feeling too good right about now.

Beck specializes in saying some of the right things for all the wrong reasons. He is incapable of putting a complete proposition together in a fully reasoned analysis. Conservative anti-war pundit Paul Craig Roberts could teach him a thing or two, but Beck isn't interested.

Has anyone actually tackled why it is an insult to the civil rights movement to have this rally there yesterday. I still don't think I've heard anyone explain that yet.

I feel sorry for Lewis who obviously did not watch or listen to Beck.

It was all about Faith Hope and Charity and turning to principles of God.

Yeah--Lewis says Faith Hope and Charity is an insult to MLK.

And Beck was on Fox this morning and apologized for his statements he said that Obama was against white people or racist (again for the hundreth time).

He went into his confusion about where Obama was coming from. You read his books and you get a better idea--it's all about black liberation theology.

Collective salvation is a tenet of liberation theology--that is not in the Bible. But that is where Obama is seated.

And Beck doesn't condemn it--he simply doesn't agree with it.

And the civil rights was about equal justice for all individuals.

"Yeah--Lewis says Faith Hope and Charity is an insult to MLK."

Actually, Lewis says that glenda becky is an insult to MLK.

Libbies are funny. They run editorials all the time about the evils of megachurches. But when the Islamists build them, they're all okay. Weird.

#45 | Posted by rightisright

Hey Dim Bulb, we wouldn't have even heard about this mosque if conservatroids hadn't started crying about it on national TV. You know, the reactionaries who are always trying to push the Ten Commandments into public buildings and are now crying because muslims are building a temple to their fairy tale (which includes the Ten Commandments) on private property. These same hypocrites have also forgotten their mantras about letting people do what they want on their own property.
YOU ARE THE HYPOCRITES.

I think the biggest insult is that Beck is getting the attention fix that he needs so badly.

Actually, Lewis says that glenda becky is an insult to MLK.

#86 | Posted by Hans

Hans--the message was Faith Hope and Charity--that was the message from Beck.

How is that an insult to MLK??

"Hey Dim Bulb, we wouldn't have even heard about this mosque if conservatroids hadn't started crying about it on national TV."

While I had read about it in June from the NYT, I read it every workday. It wasn't until Obama injected his thoughts on the right to buld the mosque, then it went non-linear, and from all indications national, and international.

"Hans--the message was Faith Hope and Charity--that was the message from Beck."

No, that wasn't the "message."

Those might have been the words (Matthew 6:2).

But it was, by no means, the "message."

You are smart Hans--what was the message?

"You are smart Hans--what was the message?"

Hypocrisy, victimhood and the enrichment of glenda becky.

Oh, wrapped in the American flag with plenty of flowery words, yes.

But that was the message.

Remember: In communication there are the things said and then there are the things heard.

Hypocrisy, victimhood and the enrichment of glenda becky.

That's the message I heard.

And Muffie, please remember my response next time you're critizing a speech given by Obama.

There's what he says and there's what you hear.

'Hypocrisy' ??

Of what? What was he saying--or not saying-- that was hypocritical?

'Victimhood' ??

That was reserved for Sharpton.

'Enrichment' ?? Beck didn't make money for him and his family on this.

There were a lot of words for Charity--yes. But enrichment for Beck was not on the list.

r-a-hole,

Its pretty simple really, Beck a self proclaimed reformed alchoholic and Mormon, has gone into business with organizations which supported segregation through Supreme edicts from Mormon alleged "prophets", until they realized more "profits" await them in the NCAA, South America and Africa, if they officially renounce racism and embrace Martin Luther King. Conservatives including Mormons, that vote as a block based on "recommendations" made in church, have always been on the wrong side of a class struggle between Capitalists and Laborers. They still are on the wrong side of eual rights for everybody, with a special focus on gays presently. That struggle was once a womans right to vote. Racism, sexism, anti-union propaganda, free market propaganda, is all part of class warfare, with FOX, Murdock and the Koch Bros leading a charge to enslave labor in debt peonage so that a few people can have more money than they know what to do with.

Politics has only two issues, money and morality. Beck belongs to the camp which seeks to undermine Democracy while pretending to love it. The 2000 Florida election fraud, the multi-trillion dollar bailout, war, segregation, attacks on social security and public education, privitization of public services are all designed to steal money and undermine Democracy.

"That was reserved for Sharpton."

Oh, so there was some hate at the "rally." Hate for Sharpton. Glad you mentioned that.

Hate, hypocrisy, victimhood and the enrichment of glenda becky.

That's the message message I heard, thanks to your enlightenment.

han, I am so glad we have you to interpret what Beck said. We would be completly in the dark without you.

r-a-hole,
Its pretty simple really...

Followed by insane ramblings...

Really... anyone... how was this rally an insult to the Civil Rights movement? What took place there? What was said? What was done?

Anything that was apparently such an insult aside from the fact that it was a white Republican planning it...

r-a-hole,

Thanks for the straight, well reasoned, response. The Rethuglican's need more gullible fools like you.

Thanks for the straight, well reasoned, response. The Rethuglican's need more gullible fools like you.

#101 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

Once I read "the 2000 election fraud" I pretty much just chalked everything you said up to pure lunacy. The only reason you think it was fraud is because the outcome didn't come out the way you wanted. If Gore had "won" Florida you wouldn't have cared about selective recounts or interpreting the intent of the voter AKA election officials casting or changing votes for Gore.

The straight well reasoned response is that your post was nonsense.

#97 | Posted by Hans

Hans--if you were so smart and not a smart-ass--and listened to Sharpton yesterday--it was victimhood all the way by Sharpton.

"They' can't take this day away from us". "We won't get violent".

He was the one bringing it up--not Beck.

Beck was talking about empowering the individual--everyone needs to get their shot at the equal justice our country stands for.

Explain to me how a large gathering of conservative white people, fueled by a group that's highly opposed to the first black president, is "reclaiming the civil rights movement."
#51 | Posted by rcade

ok, I'll try . . . .

the basic premise of your world and political views is wrong . .

"USA Today/Gallup - 4/5/2010-
Tea Party supporters skew right politically; but demographically, they are generally representative of the public at large. That's the finding of a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted March 26-28, in which 28% of U.S. adults call themselves supporters of the Tea Party movement."

dude, ya gotta work on the comprehension part . . .
it means that the teabaggers look like America, no matter how much ya pretend it ain't so

perhaps a re-education camp is in your future?

According to Clint Curtis (former programmer for Yang Enterprizes) Speaker of the House Feeney paid them $1 million to write code for doctoring election results in Southern Florida, a known liberal stronghold. Feeney was Jeb's running mate during his first failed attempt to win the Governorship. Yang, a software company with contracts with Florida Dept of Public Works and NASA has downloaded all of NASA's data, and the owner's brother, a Chinese national, was deported for suspected spying. Yang later allegedly offered Curtis $1 million to quit working for the Florida DPW, where he worked after leaving Yang. A Florida State investigator died in a Georgia hotel while investigating this case on his own time because his supervisors refused to let him investigate on State time. This was convenient, because, unlike Florida, Georgia does not require autopsies when local police deem any death a suicide.

Anything that was apparently such an insult aside from the fact that it was a white Republican planning it...

#100 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole
* * * * *

Bingo.

If the anniversary of the big speech is so sacrosanct, there's nothing to stop Olbermann or Maddow or anyone else from running the ads, building the sound stages, arranging transportation, getting the permits, and writing and memorizing the speeches.

For that matter, Obama could have shown up at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial to give a quick speech, and that would have put a kibbosh on Beck's program, right away--Secret Service and all. But another weekend in Martha's Vineyard beckoned.

And does anyone really expect anything anymore out of Lewis? Or Jesse Jackson? They're all rich now. Their man is in the White House, and taking another taxpayer-funded trip to cavort with other rich elites. The Civil Rights battle has been won, on all fronts, and Lewis is PO'd because someone else has a headline today.

"Glenn Beck is the same person who has called the president of the United States a racist," Lewis said.

DUH!!!

Is Lewis an idiot?

Beck was talking about empowering the individual--everyone needs to get their shot at the equal justice our country stands for.

#103 | Posted by MURPHY

Haters like Hans will never get the concept individualism that is provided for in the Constituion.

He can't, because if he did break down and agree it, then it would undermine EVERYTHING that he believes.

"Beck was talking about empowering the individual--everyone needs to get their shot at the equal justice our country stands for."

Muffie, keep repeating that over and over again.

But be sure to close your eyes real tight, hold your breath, and jump up and down while repeating it.

Cause that's all you're really doing.

I heard hate, hypocrisy, victimhood and the enrichment of glenda becky.

And keep that in mind when you're next piously condemning a speech given by our president.

It isn't what is said, it is what is heard.

And all I heard yesterday from this "rally" was hate, hypocrisy, victimhood and the enrichment of glenda becky.

"Haters like Hans will never get the concept individualism that is provided for in the Constituion."

More word salad.

That "We the People" stuff still has GB and Eddie confused.

Too "Commie".

"Too "Commie"."

LOL!

DR. MLK Jr. is buried in Atlanta Ga. You total DumbFuck!

Haters like Hans will never get the concept individualism that is provided for in the Constituion.
#108 | Posted by Eddie

That "We the People" stuff still has GB and Eddie confused.

Too "Commie".

#111 | Posted by Corky

Need I say more?

The left will never get it.

It does make you wonder EDDIE. Makes you wonder how two people can take in the same event and yet come away with diametrically opposed opinions. I guess if we all were identical it'd be boring... but it does make me wonder.

"Makes you wonder how two people can take in the same event and yet come away with diametrically opposed opinions."

Oohrah, you're smart enough to get this:

In communication there are the words said and there are the messages heard.

What's so confusing about that simple premise?

Think about that next time someone is trashing a speech by Obama.

You know, two people taking in the same event yet coming away with diametrically opposed opinions.

"The left will never get it."

The word salad continues.

It does make you wonder EDDIE. Makes you wonder how two people can take in the same event and yet come away with diametrically opposed opinions. I guess if we all were identical it'd be boring... but it does make me wonder.

#115 | Posted by OohRah

That's true. Are you talking about the Beck event and how 2 people can view it differently? That's trivial compared to how 2 people can look "We the people" one sees it as the beginning of a era in human history that brilliantly champions the individual and another can look at the same words and still see a group separate from others.

Back on topic.

I see the Beck event for what it is. A chance to build Beck's popularity.

Oohrah, you're smart enough to get this:

#116 | Posted by Hans

Oohrah is smart, but I don't think you're old enough to make this distinction.

People also generally hear what they want to hear, regardless of what was said.

"Oohrah is smart, but I don't think you're old enough to make this distinction."

Oh, I'll leave that up to my good friend, Oohrah, to decide.

We've met; he knows me.

"People also generally hear what they want to hear, regardless of what was said."

Exactly! And Newsworthy.

Yes, I've met HANS. I know him beyond just the DR profile. I like him personally. I suspect he feels the same. He and I agree to disagree on many topics.

I agree that there's the literal "word" and the unspoken "implied" message. I don't see the differentiation here.

This nation's governmental policies are leading us down a wrong path. How can the message be put forth by those in opposition to that path be palatable to those on the left? I don't know that that's possible.

"I agree that there's the literal "word" and the unspoken "implied" message. I don't see the differentiation here."

Who said:

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.

"I suspect he feels the same."

Yes, I do, Oohrah.

You're good people.

Postscript - Please give my best to your beautiful bride.

Will do, my friend. Disagreeing doesn't dictate that we be disagreeable.

So literally no one can explain how its an insult to the civil rights movement... other than Beck is White, which is so fucking ironic it makes my stomach cramp from the laughter.

Rob-
re: .So literally no one can explain how its an insult to the civil rights movement...

Actually, there have been several good posts on this, but here's one:

Beck accused the first black president of having a "deep seated hatred of white people or white culture", and then slowly backed away from that statement over the course of a year without ever retracting or explaining it it, and then he claims to be "reclaiming the civil rights movement", from whom exactly, he doesn't say.

Bravo, Rep. Lewis.

You have the gravitas ("...the last surviving speaker at the 1963 rally.") which makes this opinion worth something.

It is spot-on accurate... and respected.

Rep. Lewis: Bravo.

#2 | Posted by Hans

You can applaud him all you want, but a racist is a racist. Doesn't matter how old he is or how black he is. If he says racist words, then HE'S STILL A RACIST!!

Quit being an idiot, ok? Racism is alive and well, thanks to morons like you! You enable racism by lowering your expectations for idiots like him! Stupid fucker!

Congratulations asshole!

You give him a pass because he spoke at the rally back in the day? HE'S STILL A RACIST!!!

"It is spot-on accurate... and respected."

Amen!!

Beck accused the first black president of having a "deep seated hatred of white people or white culture"
#128 | Posted by BetelG

DUH! Ya THINK?

Obama needs to embrace the American culture and bring us together. Everything he's doing is dividing us.

Here's a hint: He needs to stop acting "Stupidly"

Hans,

Isn't John Lewis the one who lied about Tea Partiers using the N-word?

Bullshit. The right have been pounding Obama since before he was even sworn in. You're one of those, EDDIE

A far cry from the support Bush got. He had a 91% approval rating before he blew it on Iraq and Katrina.

Hans--the message was Faith Hope and Charity--that was the message from Beck.

How is that an insult to MLK??

Posted by MURPHY at 2010-08-29 12:55 PM

Because he ulterior motive is destroy all social programs and place the burden on charities. This would lower his taxes. Are you an idiot or a liar.

"Isn't John Lewis the one who lied about Tea Baggers using the N-word?"

No.

"Will do, my friend. Disagreeing doesn't dictate that we be disagreeable."

#126 | Posted by OohRah

Agreed. You don't have to agree with a person in order to respect them.

Obama needs to embrace the American culture and bring us together."

Oops:

Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us -- the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of "anything goes." Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America -- there's the United States of America.

The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an "awesome God" in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we've got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

"Doesn't matter how old he is or how white he is. If he says racist words, then HE'S STILL A RACIST!!"

Yep, if he says racist words...

#132 - AU : Just curious -

- where did you get that 91% figure?
- and if it is accurate, to what would you attribute such popularity?

I think that most people get sucked in by the media... Which is for the most part liberal....

One story after the other states the "Racial" makeup of the Beck Rally crowd... Mostly white people.... So Fucking What.....

Truth be told.... Most of them were heterosexual too.... Does that mean the crowd was a bunch of Gay hating Fag Bashers? No....

It simply demonstrates that the majority of Conservative people are white. Nothing racial about it. The Majority of Conservative folks are also not gay... Or Chinese.... Or red heads..... Or Jews....

People have become so simple minded that they read what the press has to say on any issue and just run with that. They are incapable of thinking for themselves anymore.

There were probably a thousand black folks at that rally... The press hammers away with . "The crowd was mostly all white"... Why? Because they know that if you have anything to say that is negative in any way about the Obama Administration, They can label you a racist...

And... Most of their brainwashed readers will repeat it over and over again... Just like a good little Parrot.

Have a cracker and shut the hell up!

"- where did you get that 91% figure?"

White Racism. Dosen't white racism only exist in west virginia, mississippi and places like that. Racism in DC or white "professional" ranks??!! Must be an urban legend.

Beck's rally was his version of going out and riding a bicycle all summer in black pants, white shirt, and a tie.

Watching this was a waste of time. I would rather watch Beck and Sharpton box. I watched pre-season football

"We didn't do anything in anger and never tried to divide people."

Not that I saw the rally live and heard all the speeches, but I would like to ask Lewis how honoring the military is an affront.

Maybe Lewis can finally claim the $100k from Breitbart, and air the video or audio of the rally earlier this year. Lewis, Waters, Jackson-Lee, etc... They can take that money and payback the scholarships CBC members and their staff have stolen.

"Watching this was a waste of time. I would rather watch Beck and Sharpton box."

Beck would start crying as soon as Al hit him.

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- "We are on the right side of history! We are on the side of individual freedoms and liberties and, dammit, we will reclaim the civil rights moment. We will take that movement -- because we were the people who did it in the first place." -- Glenn Beck, on his nationally syndicated radio program, May 26.

It is Glenn Beck's most audacious stunt yet: This Saturday, in the company of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the National Rifle Association and others, the Fox News Channel host will stand in the sacred shadow not just of the Lincoln Memorial but of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. himself, near the spot where King delivered his "I Have a Dream" speech 47 years earlier to the exact day.

During this event -- billed as "Restoring Honor" -- Beck will aim to "reclaim the civil rights moment" for his cause, and in the process he will continue what he's been doing for the last 18 months: bending the history of 20th-century America like a Philadelphia soft pretzel.

Blacks are perpetual victims, and the liberals are there to reinforce that mindset for votes.
The good news is that continually voting "D" has gotten them to the place they're at now...

The only group of people more self destructive than palestinians are the africanus americanus. Pointing this out is considered racist by many on the left. I find it to be entertaining.

Beck's rally is a hypocritical pharisaical insult to any honest joyful and righteous living Bible believing christian.

Force is always evil.

True religion NEVER FORCES ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING.

You can't PASS LAWS TO MAKE PEOPLE RELIGIOUS, you ent up with the dark ages where they stretch you and burn you and rack you if you don't eat a cracker.

"Blacks are perpetual victims, and the liberals are there to reinforce that mindset for votes."

Oh, and Palin and her type don't try to pretend that white Americans are victims. Beck's rally wasn't a pretense of victimization that needs to "reclaim the civil rights movement." Black people began this argument because they actually were victims, perhaps few still are though many still can't let go of that crutch but white folks have never really been victims in America unless you think losing total power being the same as being a victim.

Actually, Lewis says that glenda becky is an insult to MLK.

#86 | Posted by Hans at 2010-08-29 12:34 PM | Reply

Hans, you should apologize. It is a slur against spoiled baby girls worldwide to compare them to this psychopath.

Hans,

It is also an insult to the great Edward Wood, Jr to use his "Glenn or Glenda" movie in reference to Beck.

sure mister lewis,...it was also an insult when you LIED about the 'n' word being shouted at you...

of course we all have to remember that white conservatives have NO RIGHT to speak out on issues like beck did...at least not in obamas america.,....where the first amendment is being amended almost daily.

Oh, and Palin and her type don't try to pretend that white Americans are victims. Beck's rally wasn't a pretense of victimization that needs to "reclaim the civil rights movement." Black people began this argument because they actually were victims, perhaps few still are though many still can't let go of that crutch but white folks have never really been victims in America unless you think losing total power being the same as being a victim.

#149 | Posted by danni at 2010-

really? so I guess this desertation means that you watched it? or did you get the cnn treatment like the report I saw where they trashed him for 20 mins using a clip here and a clip there....and calling him names in between before they moaned about 'tone' in politics today.

ALSO another fuckin lie from cnn....they reported 70,000 and the main area I have read holds 200,000 and the spillover from that area holds 100,000...and the station reporting it here said they couldnt get close enough to either of those two areas because of the crowd..>AND They were right along side the cnn truck who ALSO couldnt get any closer.

but that really doesnt matter.,
for EVERY one person there you can assume there are at least 25 people who had to stay at home..

11/2/10

Think that fat sum-bitch could move fast enough to hit someone?

Oh Hans--

Still can't be specific--just some broad brush of a hallucination of what you think you heard.

It's quite boring.

So either you are trolling or waiting for the huf n puf or media matters to comment on the 'specifics' of hate, hypocrisy, and victimhood--you profess to have 'heard' during the Beck speech.

Glenn Beck should apologize to the world for debasing the act of crying, which is supposed to be related to real human feelings.

There are really very few people on the public stage whom I refuse to take seriously, but Glenn Beck, the weepy, show-biz populist buffoon, is certainly is among them. Cry me a reflecting pool, Glenn.

dem's control everything and yet they remain constantly seething in anger over a few people they label as entertainers and insignificant.
heh heh heh
how's that false messiah working out for ya, huh?

"We didn't do anything in anger and never tried to divide people." unlike obama, who thrives on it.

#140 - Hans - here is AU's post I was responding to:
"Bullshit. The right have been pounding Obama since before he was even sworn in. You're one of those, EDDIE

A far cry from the support Bush got. He had a 91% approval rating before he blew it on Iraq and Katrina."

Hans, according to your graph, Bush actually started with around 50 to 55% approval, not yet 91%. I assume this reflects the closeness of the 2000 election and the fact that the Left had indeed been bashing Bush since well before he got elected.

I clearly recall being on message boards and blogs like this one where about half the posters were dead-set against him even before the whole "stolen election" thing. A goodly chunk of this group was determined that Bush (whom I admit went on to amass a collection of bad moves) would never be given credit for doing ANYTHING good.

But I digress. AU is incorrectly comparing this anomalous 91% approval with BO's basic approval rating.

The thing that still has me curious, though: was AU in that 91% group? And who the hell were all those folks in that large spike we see at the outset of the Iraq War? That couldn't have been all Righties and Independents, surely.