I went with a friend (who's taking a Religious Studies class, and needed to go for "diversity") to a mosque in NM recently.

An older gentleman was great, very friendly. A white Muslim, who was a math professor at the local university was there, being the ambassador for outside visitors, and was nice enough. The other 100 males ignored us (ALL appeared to be Arabic--a small and unusual contingent for the area); I don't know WHERE the handful of women I knew went.

Few people were on time; it was almost as if they were supposed to slowly trickle in over 45 minutes...until the final prayer where everyone did their final "thing" with the up, down, up, down...like on a PBS special. 3 kids came alive and came sprinting in at that point--the first real sign of zeal from anyone.

The message was SHOCKING to me: it focused on how prayer and visits to the local mosque were given added benefits. One visit to the mosque was equal to 40 days fasting. One hour spent in prayer then was equal to 7 days reading to Quran, stuff like that. It was sooooo much like desperate Catholic priests trying to "sell" their religion, I honestly couldn't believe it.

For a huge room of guys, I expected a manlier message; it was pathetic. My impression from that mosque, if it represents Islam en masse, is that I am not concerned about Islam spreading AT ALL.

Quite a different experience than that of the thin-skinned Muslim who, when discussing Jesus and Mohammad with me, said "You mother____er! I will _______ kill you!!!!" while he started coming at me.

If you're as disgusted as I am by the round-the-clock media narrative that Muslims are anti-American subversives who attend "terror mosques," check out Ali and Tariq's excellent adventure.

I think part that should be added to the narrative is the that Muslims also have this bullshit attitude of "why us?" for why they're getting fucked with lately in this country. Oh... gee... I don't know, maybe because of the thousands of Americans killed by muslims through cowardly acts of terrorism spanning decades. Maybe that has something to do with it... might also have something to do with the state of Islam in the Middle East and Asia and a few European nations.

Nah, never mind... everyone's just gone crazy, it has nothing to do with Islam.

"Its about time Muslims caught some shit in this country."

Oh, you mean the era of Muslim immunity from insults, prejudice and violence is over??? That taxi driver in NY didn't get the memo.

3: But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, 5: but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head -- it is the same as if her head were shaven. 6: For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. 7: For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8: (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9: Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) 10: That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.
1 Corinthians 11

I worked with a Mormon once, the way he treated his wife reminded me of the way Rob describes Muslims. She wasn't even allowed to shop for her own clothes. I don't know if that is representative of all Mormons, I sort of doubt it, but most religions have extreme cults which are offshoots from more reasonable, more modern thinking churches.

That taxi driver in NY didn't get the memo.

#4 | POSTED BY DANNI

Did you ever go back to that thread after saying that the attacker was a soldier? If not, you probably should... that story has evolved a tad LOL.

Did you [DANNI] ever go back to that thread after saying that the attacker was a soldier?
#8 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Rob - You're reading comprehension skills have really taken a sharp nosedive. While Danni's more than capable of answering for herself, yours is the kind of distortion encountered far too often on the DR (and elsewhere). Here's what Danni wrote:

The guy on that page [I believe a FaceBook page posted by Oohrah] appears to be a soldier working for the UN.
#3 | Posted by danni

She never said the guy who's charged with the attack was a soldier. Perhaps you might want to offer her an apology for distorting what she said? You certainly owe her one.

3: But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, 5: but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head -- it is the same as if her head were shaven. 6: For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. 7: For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8: (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9: Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) 10: That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.
1 Corinthians 11

#5 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

I've been going to Catholic churches for over 30 years and I've never seen a sign posted outside to tell women that they are second class in the church. I've lived in numerous states and cities too, so its not like I've only been a member of one church.

We're told over and over and over about how this is not the true face of Islam, and blah blah blah... but here we have 2 jerkoffs riding around the south and they make a last second decision to change their route and BAM! They find an intolerant hateful Mosque. If this shit were as rare as Libs say then it seems pretty unlikely they would run smack dab into this mosque.

In the link above I loved how the CNN reporters were kicked out of the mosque and that wasn't discussed. These shitty rules for women were posted on the door and that wasn't discussed. But the cop that pulled them over is discussed in depth, and clearly he was just some racist southern pig.

I was a blue helmet, that's what I associated it with so sue me Rob.

#6 | Posted by danni

My Grandpa is a minister for a Church of Latter Day Saints otherwise known as Mormons and his wife pretty much runs the house. It is those that have been forced to practice polygamy in secret that usually end up treating their wives in such a manner to prevent them from talking about the multiple wives many of which are taken at a young age to ensure their obedience and compliance. When polygamy was openly practiced this was much less likely the case.

"I've been going to Catholic churches for over 30 years and I've never seen a sign posted outside to tell women that they are second class in the church."

Let's see, now, when I went to Mass (fairly) regularly, many women sat together with their heads veiled. (Read St. Paul if you want to get some background on that one.) We don't even need to get into the women-can't-be-priests business, do we?

You're overwrought, Rob.

Holy shit Doc grow a pair. Fine, Danni did you ever go back to the thread after insinuating that the alleged attacker was a soldier and turned out to be incorrect? And were you aware that the film student and alleged attacker worked for/volunteered for a group that is partnered with the Cordoba Initiative?

Holy shit, Rob, calm down and stop screaming like Janet Leigh in the "Psycho" shower scene, for chrissakes.

Guess that means Rob can't quite man himself up enough to apologize for lying about what Danni said on the other thread.

Entirely predictable.

We don't even need to get into the women-can't-be-priests business, do we?

Oh, I think we do. Not being allowed to be priests tells women in the Catholic church they are second-class citizens every day.

Let's see, now, when I went to Mass (fairly) regularly, many women sat together with their heads veiled.

I've never seen this and just off the top of my head I've been a member of at least 15 RC Churches. Its not a rule, its not even a suggestion in our churches.

(Read St. Paul if you want to get some background on that one.) We don't even need to get into the women-can't-be-priests business, do we?
You're overwrought, Rob.

#14 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Yes there are some bullshit rules for women written in the bible from thousands of years ago, but unlike Muslims, we don't follow those rules anymore. You can quote all you want about "wives be subservient to your husbands" bullshit, but sorry that's just not doctrine of the church anymore.

Yeah, women can't be priests and I would want that changed too, but I think that's a far cry from women aren't allowed to show anything but their eyes and fingertips.

And why is that? Why can't women show any part of their body, or have to be draped in a black sheet with eye holes cut out? Are Muslim men incapable of controlling themselves?

Holy shit, Rob, calm down and stop screaming like Janet Leigh in the "Psycho" shower scene, for chrissakes.
#16 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

LOL... how does one know someone hear screaming on a blog?

The jumbled words and thoughts, the hysterical tone...well, sounded like screaming to me. Could've just been whining and whimpering, though.

Look at the rules for Women when going into this mosque. What the fuck? Why are we supposed to be so tolerant of a religion that treats women like shit?

I don't think the posted dress code for women equals treating them "like shit". I wouldn't want to belong to a religion that had one set of rules for men and another for women, but many do. I grew up Catholic and they don't allow female priests.

In the link above I loved how the CNN reporters were kicked out of the mosque and that wasn't discussed.

You're nitpicking. A lot of places would ask reporters to leave who showed up unannounced. As for the rules not being discussed, they are practicing Muslims. The gender rules you think are a big deal may not be a big deal to them.

The jumbled words and thoughts, the hysterical tone...well, sounded like screaming to me. Could've just been whining and whimpering, though.

#21 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

LOL... Okay... you keep "hearing" screaming coming from the text on your monitor... that's not crazy at all.

So you are fine with the way Muslims treat women?

"but unlike Muslims, we don't follow those rules anymore...."

I believe the point was made earlier, e.g., "Do all Muslims endorse stoning? I don't think so."

You're nitpicking. A lot of places would ask reporters to leave who showed up unannounced. As for the rules not being discussed, they are practicing Muslims. The gender rules you think are a big deal may not be a big deal to them.

#22 | POSTED BY RCADE

No, actually you nitpicked my post. I was saying that I loved how obvious criticisms of the mosque and imam were ignored but went really in depth into this cop with the obvious overtones of the racist southern cop wrongfully pulling over two Muslims and treating them like terrorists.

"So you are fine with the way Muslims treat women?'

Which Muslims, where, and what treatment?

Unlike you, Rob, I find some practices of some people in some places reprehensible but I don't take the next step down Looney Lane -- where you've not only taken a step but run serpentine down the road -- and condemn an entire religion for it.

I believe the point was made earlier, e.g., "Do all Muslims endorse stoning? I don't think so."

#24 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

And my point is these two guys made a decision to change their course to Mobile instead of Birmingham and happened to stumble across a mosque that treats women like shit. If its so rare, wouldn't they have been more likely to find a tolerant and moderate mosque?

If you go into an Orthodox Jewish temple today, in 2010, and you are a woman- you must cover your hair if married AND the men and women will be separated.

At the reception of an Orthodox Jewish Wedding- the men dance with men and the women dance with women. They are forbidden from mingling.

There are Jewish Neighborhoods in New York that, if you dare drive a car through them on a Saturday, your car will be stoned.

Every faith has their fucked up extremists.

Yes there are some bullshit rules for women written in the bible from thousands of years ago, but unlike Muslims, we don't follow those rules anymore.

There are plenty of Muslims who don't follow rigid dress codes, and some Christians and Jews who follow rules you might find offensive. I had a friend I worked with who was an orthodox Jew. His wife shaved her head and wore a wig called a sheitel.

Many Muslims here will stop following a lot of rules for the same reason it has happened to Christians and Jews -- Western society liberalizes a lot of religious people. Muslims are likely to experience the same thing as they grow in the U.S. There will be orthodox ones who follow very strict rules and liberal ones who don't.

I don't know. And, of course, neither do you.

I've been among people belonging to all sorts of religions. Some of them are good people. Some of them not. Some of the beliefs nutty, others not so nutty. And, frankly, I'm not aware of any religion that stands heads and shoulders above any other when it comes to much of anything.

You need to get out more, Rob. See a bit more of the world. It might help with your maturation process, because in that you're quite clearly deficient.

Every faith has their fucked up extremists.

#28 | POSTED BY KANREI

Which ones on the global scale of violence and repression like Islam?

"Look at the rules for Women when going into this mosque. What the fuck? Why are we supposed to be so tolerant of a religion that treats women like shit? "Only face and hands may be exposed." Fuck you. Its about time Muslims caught some shit in this country."

My retarded religion is way better than your retarded religion

TO which I'd offer a slight amendment.

For the most part, I've found when it comes to religion most of the Hopis, Navajos, Zunis, Lakotas, Cheyennes, Arapahos, Crows, and Shoshonis with whom I've had the good fortune to become acquainted refreshing, to say the least. They freely borrow what they like from other religions, don't insist they've got a monopoly on The Truth, never proselytize, and never wage religious warfare.

Which ones on the global scale of violence and repression like Islam?

Global scale? Historical scale? Meaningless. Let's say 5% crazy in all faiths. 5% crazy Jews is maybe 25,000. 5% crazy Baptists is about 100,000. 5% crazy Muslims is about 500,000.

Same percent crazy- just more followers.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-08-26 08:57 AM | Reply | Flag: PROVES AGAIN THAT SCRIPTURE CAN BE TWISTED OUT OF CONTEXT TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT

I could explain it but, well, ......... Matt. 7:6

Well, I mean, life is sacred? Who said so? God? Hey, if you read history, you realize that God is one of the leading causes of death -- has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians, all taking turns killing each other because God told them it was a good idea. The sword of God, the blood of the lamb, vengeance is mine, millions of dead motherfuckers, all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question: "Do you believe in God?" "No." Boom! Dead. "Do you believe in God?" "Yes..." "Do you believe in my God?" "No." Boom! Dead. "My god has a bigger dick than your god!"

* George Carlin

13. Offering one's own children to Molech (Lev. xx. 2; Sanh. vii. 4, 64a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, viii., parashah 10, beginning).

I can't tell you how many times I've done this one...

SCRIPTURE CAN BE TWISTED OUT OF CONTEXT TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT
#35 | Posted by vernon

Well, if anyone ought to know, it's the ol' perv gummer exiled to the Outer Rim who sits in church with a babe nestled in his --- yech! --- big, fat lap blog-fantasizing his projections about sex change operations, blowjobs, and anal sex.

Thanks for The Word, Rev.

ROTFLMAO

You need to get out more, Rob. See a bit more of the world. It might help with your maturation process, because in that you're quite clearly deficient.

#30 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

I've lived in: New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Florida, Yugoslavia, Germany. And vacationed in: At least 5 other European nations, St. Lucia, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Mexico and at least 15 other states.

I have a Bachelors degree and am working on my MBA...

I know its fun to think that everyone ragging on Islam and Muslims is just some backwater hick living in his trailer that knows nothing of the world, but sorry that's just not the case.

Many of us are tired of decades of attacks, many of us see how the majority of Muslims treat women, gays, other religions, foreigners, etc and are disgusted by it.

You writing off any criticisms of Muslims as bigotry or trying to find comparable archaic rules in Christianity doesn't excuse the way Muslims behave.

Here (once again) is my explanation for different faiths, but still the same G-d.

We are all different. We have different understandings of things and different motivations for doing them. Some of us require reward to motivated us while others need a fear of punishment. Some can live life with few rules while others need structure to feel secure. G-d understands this which is why there are so many faiths. Don't look at the various texts- G-d is not an author.

You know right and wrong: it is the playground rules.

Don't hit
Share
Treat people as you want to be treated
Be honest

The rest is man added fluff.

Global scale? Historical scale? Meaningless. Let's say 5% crazy in all faiths. 5% crazy Jews is maybe 25,000. 5% crazy Baptists is about 100,000. 5% crazy Muslims is about 500,000.
Same percent crazy- just more followers.

#34 | POSTED BY KANREI

Global scale right now, current history which religion has as much of a problem as Islam does in regards to violence and oppression.

WTF people, pick up a fucking newspaper, its not bigotry to acknowledge what is clearly going on. Here's a experiment, be openly gay and go to the middle east. Have fun with that.

I didn't say you were a "backwater hick," Rob. I said: "See a bit more of the world. It might help with your maturation process, because in that you're quite clearly deficient." Approach the world as a learner about cultures, not an ambassadorial culture bearer, and you'll come out of much richer for the experience.

"I have a Bachelors degree and am working on my MBA..."

So?

Some of the wisest people I've ever met never made it past high school. And some of biggest jerks I've encountered had MBAs.

Again, so what?

Don't hit
Share
Treat people as you want to be treated
Be honest

The rest is man added fluff.

#40 | Posted by kanrei

You forgot, "Don't piss upstream."

#41 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Shit there are places here in Kansas that an openly gay person would be beaten or killed.

be openly gay and go to the middle east.

This is America. Do you want to use Middle Eastern standards here?

I didn't say you were a "backwater hick," Rob. I said: "See a bit more of the world. It might help with your maturation process, because in that you're quite clearly deficient."

And you are clearly wrong. You were absolutely implying I was some untraveled asshole who has seen nothing outside of my little world, and sorry that's just not the case.

You're trying to invalidate any argument by making assumptions about me and all were wrong... so fuck off.

Kanrei - I suspect for those who believe they've latched onto The Truth, there's a certain universality of applicability. And therein lies one of the major reasons they're such pains in the ass.

This is America. Do you want to use Middle Eastern standards here?

#45 | POSTED BY KANREI

No, which is why I don't like Muslims who cling to that shit... such as the Alabama mosque these two guys went to.

I'd also like people to acknowledge the current state of Islam on a global scale is really fucked up.

Here's a experiment, be openly gay and go to the middle east. Have fun with that.

Do you think the Middle East would be more tolerant of gays and more secular if it was Christian instead of Muslim? There are countries all over the world where it's not safe to be openly gay, and many of them are non-Muslim. It was not safe to be openly gay across the U.S. 40 years ago.

Shit there are places here in Kansas that an openly gay person would be beaten or killed.

#44 | POSTED BY RICHARDSPIRIT

So if you only had two choices, go to Mecca and stand on a busy street corner and yell, "I'm really gay," or go to Topeka and stand on a busy street corner and yell "I'm really gay."

Now stumble and flub and not answer the question as everyone does...

Shit there are places here in Kansas that an openly gay person would be beaten or killed.

where?

And you are clearly wrong. You were absolutely implying I was some untraveled asshole who has seen nothing outside of my little world, and sorry that's just not the case.
#46 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

I apologize, Rob. (Too bad you couldn't pull yourself together enough to offer one to Danni, after lying -- not just characterizing a faceless blogger but actually lying -- about what she wrote on another thread.)

So, I stand corrected: You're a traveled asshole who's seeing something outside your little world but just failed to learn anything useful from the experience.

so fuck off.
#46 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

You sound like you're thnorting, Rob.

Anyway, hey, mega-dittoes, chump.

Do you think the Middle East would be more tolerant of gays and more secular if it was Christian instead of Muslim?

Yes. We've done this here before. I posted the religious demographics of many countries in the Middle East (Almost entirely Muslim), and the religious demographics of many countries in Europe (Majority Christian). Where would you rather be gay?

It was not safe to be openly gay across the U.S. 40 years ago.

#49 | POSTED BY RCADE

Ever notice to defend Muslims people always have to hop in their time machine?

Some of the wisest people I've ever met never made it past high school. And some of biggest jerks I've encountered had MBAs.

you switched from "wise" to "jerk

I know some MBAs who are dumbfucks.

Anyway, hey, mega-dittoes, chump.
#52 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

LMAO!! Wrong about the whole uneducated non-traveling hick assumption so move to #2 on the list, "Must be repeating Rush Limbaugh talking points."

What's next, Beck?

#51 | Posted by eberly

Go to the North side of Wichita and yell on the corner that you are gay somebody will be along shortly to uhh straighten you out. Let's not forget our buddy Fred Phelps and his crew of closet faggots.

Shit there are places here in Kansas that an openly gay person would be beaten or killed.

where?
#51 | Posted by eberly

Ever notice to defend Muslims people always have to hop in their time machine?

Parts of the Muslim world are mired in medievalism. That is not true of the U.S., so the Muslims who practice their faith here will be as susceptible to liberalizing Western influences as Christians and Jews.

That is not true of the U.S., so the Muslims who practice their faith here will be as susceptible to liberalizing Western influences as Christians and Jews.

#58 | POSTED BY RCADE

And yet on a whim these two guys find a mosque that seems to be mired in medievalism...

Let's see, now, when I went to Mass (fairly) regularly, many women sat together with their heads veiled.

are you 120 years old?

#58 | Posted by rcade

There may not be medieval places exactly however we have our share of pockets of people living in the "Ole South".

"Wrong about the whole uneducated non-traveling hick assumption"

I never called you a "hick," Rob. Nor did I say you're "non-traveling." I said you needed to travel more.

Which does nothing, of course, to alter the fact that you're a traveled asshole who's seen something outside your little world but just failed to learn anything useful (for purposes of the subject of this thread) from the experience.

More to be pitied than censured.

LOL!

are you 120 years old?
#60 | Posted by eberly

Why, you looking for a date?

Its always fun to watch someone try to spin out of of their silly insults...

And yet on a whim these two guys find a mosque that seems to be mired in medievalism.

The reason people think you are not worldly is ridiculous statements like this. We've already addressed it. You're just looking for reasons to dog Muslims that you would not apply to Christians or Jews.

Go to the North side of Wichita and yell on the corner that you are gay somebody will be along shortly to uhh straighten you out.

you can't name a place can you?

At least name some Western Kansas town as intolerant (with no evidence)

that would fit your biggotted stereotyping behavior better.

Ok, I'll let you off the hook. your bigotry is your problem and we'll leave it at that.

It is pathetic to compare a group of hicks to a global religion that has a pronounced intolerance of homosexuality.

But what is funny is that it is a bunch of libs who are making this argument.

LOL

I haven't read this book yet -- hope to, soon -- but it sounds both interesting and relevant to this and related threads:

"Ok, I'll let you off the hook..."

And that, boys and girls, is what's known as "moving the goalposts." Inexpertly, clumslily, with no grace, but moving the goalposts all the same. You see, kids, Eberly asked that one place in Kansas where such-and-such might take place be named. He got two. But since that wasn't the answer he wanted, he just changed the question.

Eberly, you should hook up with Special Eddie.

The jumbled words and thoughts, the hysterical tone...well, sounded like screaming to me. Could've just been whining and whimpering, though.

#21 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-08-26 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

The jumbled words and thoughts, the overall tone ... geez, Dwarf, you sound like an ignorant asshole and prick .... but we already knew that

Its always fun to watch someone try to spin out of of their silly insults...
#64 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Andthat, boys and girls, is what's called "irony."

A man yelled gay slurs and attacked another man with a piece of wood Friday night outside a drug store in Kansas City.
www.kansascity.com

not that it matters but that address is on the Missouri side.

I'd also like people to acknowledge the current state of Islam on a global scale is really fucked up.

There is a difference between "the current state of Islam on a global scale" (whatever that means) and individual practicing Moslims. I've told this story before, but it seems pertinent to mention it again:

Many years ago, I spent a summer with a boyfriend who was stationed at the airbase in Biloxi. I occupied some of my free time by tutoring two women from Saudi Arabia, whose husbands were also stationed at the airbase as part of a military exchange program. Among other things, I used to take the two woman to the library in Gulfport to pick up books for them to read. "Just us?" they asked before the first trip. "Just us," I said.

One day--at the beginning of Ramadan, I think--they shared a meal with me. I enjoyed the food, which as I recall was served out of a communal bowl and eaten without utensils. The thing I remember best, however, was our final conversation. Both women were hoping to learn how to drive and had just about convinced their husbands that they should be allowed to do so. They told me they would miss me, and one woman said, "We are like sisters." When I asked them what they thought about America, she opened her arms and said, "I love America. In America, I am free."

I have often wondered what happened to them--if they learned how to drive and how they fared when they returned to their own country, where "just us" taking a jaunt to the local library was out of the question. One thing I am certain of, however, is that whatever "the current state of Islam on a global scale" is, not every individual practicing Muslim is buying into it. I also hope like hell they aren't buying into the notion that all Americans are anti-Islamic.

He got two.

flunked math

I got zero

The reason people think you are not worldly is ridiculous statements like this. We've already addressed it. You're just looking for reasons to dog Muslims that you would not apply to Christians or Jews.

#65 | POSTED BY RCADE

I've traveled a lot and NEVER come across a Christian church that treates women like this (besides the priest thing).

I'm married to a Jewish girl and never been to a synagogue that treats women like this (though in this case I've probably only been to 5-10 synagogues)

The reason you guys are trying to portray those dogging Muslims as "not worldly" or uneducated is because then you can easily dismiss any points made without having to address them.

I'd like to know what churches you have been to that treated women so poorly? Name of the parish, city and state please.

But what is funny is that it is a bunch of libs who are making this argument.

It's not that odd. I think most liberals treat all religions the same, whether it's to have contempt for all of them or to hold them all to the same standard.

My personal rule is to give every mainstream religion as much -- or as little -- respect as I give Scientology.

When doc has no argument, he just throws out words like "limbaugh/dittohead/ beck and now "Eddie".

truly pathetic.

I only challenged Richard to show some examples of homosexuals being beaten in Kansas (it's happened I'm sure but he doesn't know of any).

Both women were hoping to learn how to drive and had just about convinced their husbands that they should be allowed to do so.

Well here's hoping these Muslim women were finally able to convince their husbands that they should be allowed to sit in drivers seat of a vehicle.

Nah, its not a fucked up group of people at all.

It's not that odd. I think most liberals treat all religions the same,

.....with contempt.

And the comparisons I have challenged are the ones that have nothing to do with Religion but rather just picking on a group of people, point to them and accuse them of being hateful just because of where they live.

libs are pulling their skirts up too high this morning and revealing WAY too much.

he just throws out words like "limbaugh/dittohead/ beck and now "Eddie".

That's the strategy of the whole here though Eb... if its not calling us "dittoheads" then we're bigots or we're racists.

Notice there are few if any actually defending or refuting the things said by Muslims. Its either, "Yeah well Christianity blah blah blah blah," or "you're a bigot hick." Because then they're hoping the conversation will change to that.

Its a tactic and a shitty one at that... just don't buy into it.

Yeah! Embrace the ignorance!

Yeah! Embrace the ignorance!

#80 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

LOL right on time

And right on target.

Never got around to apologizing to Danni for lying about her post, did ya, sport?

Good one

Rob: Go to a Greek Orthodox Church and you'll find they enforce modesty dress codes for women.

Never got around to apologizing to Danni for lying about her post, did ya, sport?

#83 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Again, changing the topic... Get it away from Muslims. Attack the posters, call them anything to get away from this thread, distract, deflect, etc...

Doc's personal insults aside, what is the official stance of the Muslim faith on homosexuality?

Again, changing the topic...
#86 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Not really. Look up-page, you'll find it. You even got involved in it until you chickened out of owning up to your lie, Rob.

A few thoughts from Tosser!

[Rcade....]

Many Muslims here will stop following a lot of rules for the same reason it has happened to Christians and Jews -- Western society liberalizes a lot of religious people.

So you are implying that Western society is the only hope for over 1.6 billion Muslims in the world?

Why not Chinese society? (just saying)

I have not been exposed to "western society MTV rap music culture" and I turned out fine.. without a beard... and so did all the girls I've ever known, NONE of whom have worn veils or such.

[Asshole Robby...]

I have a Bachelors degree and am working on my MBA...

I know its fun to think that everyone ragging on Islam and Muslims is just some backwater hick living in his trailer that knows nothing of the world

So you are into those home study diplomas?

They do deliver mail in your trailer park, yes?

Many of us are tired of decades of attacks, many of us see how the majority of Muslims treat women, gays, other religions, foreigners, etc and are disgusted by it.

Why are you disgusted by something that is going be in your future?

You should learn more about it and try to accept it.

[Rcade....]

Do you think the Middle East would be more tolerant of gays and more secular if it was Christian instead of Muslim?

Hell no.

Parts of the Muslim world are mired in medievalism. That is not true of the U.S.

Go to Robbie's trailer park and say that again.

what is the official stance of the Muslim faith on homosexuality?
#87 | Posted by eberly

#72 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

GREAT post, Gal!

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Be careful not to mix up the terms Moslim and Muslim as they are two different things. Moslims are from the Nation of Islam, which is not accepted as a true part of Islam, Muslims are those that practice real Islam.

Parts of the Muslim world are mired in medievalism. That is not true of the U.S.

Go to Robbie's trailer park and say that again.

#90 | Posted by Tosser

You get a Funny Flag for that one. White lettering, green banner.

Nah, its not a fucked up group of people at all.

Most people, most of us, have trouble breaking free of the cultural mores, dogma, propaganda, prejudice, group think, etc. that surrounds and often consumes us.

Rob: Go to a Greek Orthodox Church and you'll find they enforce modesty dress codes for women.
www.fibers.com

#85 | POSTED BY RCADE

Okay, now watch carefully what I do here:

What a bunch of assholes.

Did you see that? Did you see the "." after "assholes?" Notice there was a ", but did you know that this group does this and you're just a bigot and if you weren't just living in your trailer in backwoods Louisiana you would know that."

This is a thread about Muslims going to mosques and one of those mosques is a fucked up place. But is there any post from a Lib here just saying, "What a bunch of assholes?" Nope... its always got to be qualified or excused or ignored.

Its the same with terrorism. Like the Imam wanting to build the mosque near Ground Zero... he was recorded talking about Islamic terrorism but couldn't just leave it at that, he had to throw on a ", but America..."

I think that's whats getting so frustrating about this conversation in my opinion anyways.

Doc's personal insults aside, what is the official stance of the Muslim faith on homosexuality?

#87 | Posted by eberly

What is the official stance of homosexuality among Catholics or Baptists or 99% of other Christian faiths? Many if given the choice would kill and beat and do whatever is necessary to remove homosexuality. Well except for the priests and their little boys.

Every time I've hung out with Muslims, it's been over drinks!

Sorry, Eberly, no imams present on the DR at the moment.

proof that doc thinks "real world knowledge" is nothing more than an internet connection.

I am not going to google a question like that and assign a position to an entire faith.

I think it would be more tolerant, respectful and fair to simply ask the question of someone who might actually know for a fact what the official position is.

But continue with personal attacks, hatred, bigotry and intolerance Doc.

It's all you have so you might as well go with it.

The most humble man I have ever met is a Muslim. This man once cried because someone accused him of stealing, it crushed him to think that anyone would believe that he would steal. This man has been ripped off many times, mostly by women because of his open and caring heart.

who might actually know for a fact what the official position is.

The "official position" is ... there is no official position.

Since Islam has no Central Processing Unit.. no Church.. no Pope... no Vatican.... we do not have an "official position".

About anything.

an ignorant asshole and prick
#69 | Posted by vernon

Is that the title or subtitle of your memoir, Verm?

What is the official stance of homosexuality among Catholics or Baptists or 99% of other Christian faiths? Many if given the choice would kill and beat and do whatever is necessary to remove homosexuality. Well except for the priests and their little boys.

see? more hate, intolerance and bigotry.

can't answer the question but deflect and assign positions that he doesn't remotely understand.

Dickspit, either answer the question or go back to your porn.

The most humble man I have ever met is a Muslim. This man once cried because someone accused him of stealing, it crushed him to think that anyone would believe that he would steal. This man has been ripped off many times, mostly by women because of his open and caring heart.

#100 | POSTED BY RICHARDSPIRIT

I know that guy... he's an asshole.

The "official position" is ... there is no official position.

I didn't know that. seriously.

Aman Ali and Bassam Tariq

Both these fine young lads are from Pakistan, btw. I've talked with Bassam before on another forum when he wrote a piece on the largest ambulance service in the world (in Pakistan).

Many if given the choice would kill and beat and do whatever is necessary to remove homosexuality.

especially in Kansas, right?

#103 | Posted by eberly

First of all if you had any maturity you would speak to me in the same respectful manner that I speak to you but you seem to be the one using hateful terms and accusations.

You attempt to show the evils of Islam, I am merely pointing out that your little religion is just as fucked up and therefore you have real ability to claim a moral high ground.

If you are unable to engage in a lively debate without derogatory remarks then we have nothing else to discuss.

I know that guy... he's an asshole.

#104 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

And... is that supposed to be an insult?

especially in Kansas, right?

#107 | Posted by eberly

Don't put words into my mouth.

You attempt to show the evils of Islam,

not once. I only asked you a question you STILL can't answer, liar.

I am merely pointing out that your little religion is just as fucked up and therefore you have real ability to claim a moral high ground.

what religion have I defended or claimed to have a "moral high ground"?

pathetic liar.

seriously, go back to porn and your bong.

you really suck at this.

So you are implying that Western society is the only hope for over 1.6 billion Muslims in the world?

I'm saying that secularism is awesome.

Don't put words into my mouth.

I wouldn't dare......

"There may not be medieval places exactly however we have our share of pockets of people living in the "Ole South"."

"Shit there are places here in Kansas that an openly gay person would be beaten or killed."

I didn't know that. seriously.

We just have opinions and "schools of thought". Because none of these can claim to be "the official Islam" (even though the Wahabis do try), our schools of thought keep expanding.

Some become mainstream, some just die out.

Right now we have 83 very different versions of Islam in Pakistan alone.

God know how many others there are in the rest of the world.

This is actually a good thing, that makes Islam inherently flexible and able to change it's doctrines as the world changes.

It can also take a step back, like during the Iranian "revolution" when the Mullas turned Islam into "Political Islam".

However, that too will die out eventually.

And... is that supposed to be an insult?

#109 | POSTED BY RICHARDSPIRIT

No it was showing how pointless and ridiculous your post was...

Like if I were to say, "One of the worst guys I've ever met was a Muslim who used to punch people in the face if they were Muslim and tipped over strollers with infants in them just cuz he was a prick."

Would that matter to you? Would you even believe it?

If you are unable to engage in a lively debate without derogatory remarks then we have nothing else to discuss.

you mean where I attack Priests, the entire Christian Faith, and an entire State?

you are very good at "derogatory" remarks, dickspit.

I'm saying that secularism is awesome.

And I'm saying, you are not the only one who can claim to be secular.

This is actually a good thing, that makes Islam inherently flexible and able to change it's doctrines as the world changes.

Did anyone else just piss themselves laughing?

Those two lynched brothers in your country found that flexibility didn't they?

#115 | Posted by eberly

And what derogatory remarks have I made while you attempt to insult me by making fun of my moniker? Real interactions reveal the truth behind the rhetoric.

Prior to 9/11 this type of story was nonexistent...

It would seem to me that many in this country feel we have to placate the Muslim people so we don't get attacked again?

It never ends... The millions of "The Muslims are Okay" stories you can find spitting out of almost every news organization.

I guess the left feels that if you kiss enough ass it will be Okay.

When am I going to see a story on 30 Catholic churches in 30 days? Never... It's like the public views the Muslim Mosque visits as The white man visiting an Apache Indian Camp and actually getting out with their scalped intact and their women unraped... Big frigging deal....

Everyone on the left seems to be sucking the Islam Tit....

hose two lynched brothers in your country found that flexibility didn't they?

And WHAT did that have to do with Islam???

Nothing that I can see.

#114 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Sure I would anybody can be an asshole.

This is actually a good thing, that makes Islam inherently flexible and able to change it's doctrines as the world changes.

Well if that means that Islam has a chance of being peaceful and tolerant here in the US then fine by me.

Richard will have a problem with it, however, if he suspects there is any chance you won't allow openly gay members in. Hell, he will go ahead and accuse them of "beating the shit" out of openly gay people if he thinks anybody will believe him.

LOL

When am I going to see a story on 30 Catholic churches in 30 days?

Like I said, the authors are both Pakistani-Americans.

Why the hell would they write on Catholic Churches?

YOU write that. LOL

Furthermore, If you ask me, The more stories you print of this nature, The more of an insult it is to Islamic Followers.

What did you expect to find in the mosques in the US... Head cutting Classes?

Sheeple ....

And WHAT did that have to do with Islam???

Nothing... just like women stoned to death for adultery, couples executed for adultery, 7 year old boys hung for spying, peoples spines severed as a punishment, gays killed for being gay, women having to ask their husbands permission to learn to drive, and so on and so on and so on and so on...

Nothing to do with Islam... its just a terrible coincidence all this fucked up shit keeps coming out of countries that are 90%+ Muslim.

Just out of curiosity was anyone in that lynch mob not a Muslim?

if he suspects there is any chance you won't allow openly gay members in.

I am anti-gay.... very much so.

But then I'm not an American.

If I had been American, I might feel different, no problem.

And btw, nobody can allow or disallow gays from become Muslims. We can't "excommunicate" people since we don't have a central authority like the Vatican.

#118

#122 | Posted by eberly

Your right I do have a problem with intolerance and ignorance...so hang me. LOL

I don't need to go into the countless stories across this nation of violence against gays because they are all over the place. I remember as a youth people talking about getting drunk and going gay bashing. Their intention was to find gays and beat them but you can live with whatever blinders you like while the nation struggles to give gays rights to marry only to face hatred and bigotry.

And I'm saying, you are not the only one who can claim to be secular.

Secularism won't take hold in Middle East countries unless its governments allow freedom of speech and enforce the separation of church and state.

"Just out of curiosity was anyone in that lynch mob not a Muslim?"

#127 | Posted by eberly

wft were you linking to?

We can't "excommunicate" people since we don't have a central authority like the Vatican.

but that doesn't prevent actions at the local level against someone though...right? seriously? I'm not asking a leading question.

Isn't that how the violent things that get reported happen?

just like women stoned to death for adultery

Link?

couples executed for adultery

Link?

7 year old boys hung for spying

Link?

peoples spines severed as a punishment

Oh, I know THAT one... and I agree with the "eye for an eye rule". Sorry.

gays killed for being gay

Link?

women having to ask their husbands permission to learn to drive

Link?

They can't drive in Saudi, so what "permission"?

Just out of curiosity was anyone in that lynch mob not a Muslim?

Well, we get people getting shot to death in drive-by shootings in the US.

Aren't they all "Christian"? LOL

Dumroo.

I wonder how many of the people in this lynch mob were Muslims:
www.americanlynching.com

too bad that was in Indiana and not Kansas. lOL

were they gay? was the hanging in the name of a particular faith?

do you even know what you are arguing?

Secularism won't take hold in Middle East countries unless its governments allow freedom of speech and enforce the separation of church and state.

Correction..... Secularism won't take hold in the Mid East as long as they are monarchies and ruling families.

If you are King, by it's very definition, the King is also the guardian of the county's spirituality... or some such nonsense.

And the Monarch will remain as long as they have oil to sell.

#133 | Posted by Tosser

Members of the mafia and most gang members are Christian.

but that doesn't prevent actions at the local level against someone though...right?

Give me a specific example?

I wonder how many of the people in this lynch mob were Muslims:
www.americanlynching.com

#130 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

There's that time machine again

Members of the mafia and most gang members are Christian.

There we go!

Thanks mate.

Gotta go.

Tosser, I would only refer to any example. Hell, take 9-11 for example.

but a better example would be one of the things Rob has been referring to.

check back later

what reglion has 99.9% of the suicide bombers?

what reglion has 99.9% of the suicide bombers?

#141 | POSTED BY SEMTEX111

Yeah but this one time there was this guy 43 years ago who blew up a car and he was in it and I think he was a Baptist so there.

Sincerely,
Every Liberal Ever

Tosser, I would only refer to any example. Hell, take 9-11 for example.

Despite the Americans saying "Osama attacked us because of religious reasons", I find that to be utter bullshit.

He attacked the US because of political reasons.

1. Get Americans out of Saudi.

2. Stop supporting the royal family.

3. And of course, Israel, Israel and a bit more Israel.

We know the story about Osama's father... so we can say it was 100% political, not some religious reason none of us can understand.

Of course he would use religion to justify it, but the prime reasons weren't religious.

a better example would be one of the things Rob has been referring to.

I have no idea how Robbie sees the world from his trailer-park so that's a bit hard for me.

#142 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

How about the Christian who went into a church and shot a man in front of his wife and kids. He killed him because of his devout Christian beliefs. And you can tell Eberly that DID happen in Kansas.

#142 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole
How about the Christian who went into a church and shot a man in front of his wife and kids. He killed him because of his devout Christian beliefs. And you can tell Eberly that DID happen in Kansas.

#144 | POSTED BY RICHARDSPIRIT

I think that's exactly the point I was trying to make in #142... thank you.

And this only happened last year.

Richard, my point is that on every thread about Muslims, some Lib instead of decrying acts of Muslim terrorism, finds some crime that some Christian committed somewhere in time and brings that up.

Usually they try to associate Tim McVeigh and Christianity, or bring up America dropping the A-Bombs... Your "Hey look I found a Christian who shot someone once" example is a new one so you get points for that I guess.

Rob

And my point is that you are trying to make Muslims out to be worse than everybody else. They are just as fucked up as any other religion. I merely bring this up to maintain perspective, if you call yourself a Christian then you must own the acts of all Christians as much as you expect the Muslims to own the acts of terrorists.

"If you're as disgusted as I am by the round-the-clock media narrative that Muslims are anti-American subversives who attend "terror mosques," check out Ali and Tariq's excellent adventure."

We also have a round the clock media narrative that tells Muslims:

Americans hate you. Anyone who doesn't want a mosque next to ground zero hates all Muslims. Anyone who doesn't allow you to wear a mask in your drivers license photo hates you. Any employer who enforces their dress code hates you.

Why?

Muslims in the US were never crybabies with a sense of entitlement. But now they are being conditioned to believe that any time they are inconvenienced at all they should screech about prejudice. Is this going to help them or anyone else? Seems pretty divisive to me.

We even have people telling them that all this imaginary hatred should cause them to be more sympathetic with Al Queda.

What the fuck?

They are just as fucked up as any other religion

That is simply not true. A quick summary of any newspaper or news site will tell you that.

Just look at overwhelmingly Christian areas like North America and Europe, then compare them to overwhelmingly Muslim areas like the Middle East and parts of Asia.

Facts outweigh political correctness.

And this is where someone might come in on my North America/Europe vs. Middle East/Asia example and talk about how we're more secular especially in regards to government. That's true, but that means that they are ruled by Islam and are fucked up... you can't separate the two. Almost every country in the Middle East is over 85% Muslim.

As Tosser pointed out it has much more to do with gov't structure than the religion. Europe did not see freedom and reprieve from religious motivated violence until they moved to a representative gov't and removed much or religious power from gov't. Those monarchs are monarchs in name only today.

Americans are hooked on a drink that was invented by the Arabs (Coffee) and still believe in an Arab invented religion (Christianity) and then call the Arabs "fucked up". hahahahahahahahahaha

Good one.

I won't deny that the history of Arabs is pretty amazing. You guys used to be really cool in regards to math, science, exploration etc.

Now you kill people because they draw a cartoon.

I won't deny that the history of Arabs is pretty amazing. You guys...

I'm not Arab, dumroo.

Now you kill people because they draw a cartoon.

I don't think any of the cartoonist died.

muslims leaders are cracking down on terrorism,you no longer get 72 virgins it's been reduced to 63.

I don't think any of the cartoonist died.

#156 | POSTED BY TOSSER

Not from lack of trying...

The editor of the newspaper was attacked in his home...

The creators of South Park got death threats...

Theo Van Gough made a documentary about how violent Islam is, so Muslims killed him.

The editor of the newspaper was attacked in his home...

They were just fucking with him.

The creators of South Park got death threats...

That turned out to be bullshit, I'm afraid.

Theo Van Gough made a documentary about how violent Islam is, so Muslims killed him.

He got his wish. He wanted the violent form of Islam... he looked for it.... he courted it... and he got it.

You know... the world would be a lot better if you people had the rules my momma taught me.

1. Don't get on top of something that's bigger than you are.

2. Never stand in from of a machine .. except if it's TV or Fridge.

3. Don't go looking for shit or shit will come looking for you.

stand in from = in front

He wanted the violent form of Islam...

Wait.... Wha?!?!?! There's a violent form of Islam!?!?!?

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THANK YOU!!! SWEET MOTHER OF FUCK IT ONLY TOOK 159 POSTS!! HALLELUJAH!!

My God was that so hard you fucking assholes... lol

There's a violent form of Islam!?!?!?

I meant the crazy dudes. He went looking for the crazy dudes and he found them... the hard way.

shit... I knew it was too good to be true...

The violence in Islam was in Van Gough's imagination. And he brought his imagination to life.

Talk about being an artist.

The violence in Islam was in Van Gough's imagination

This is what you're siding with Rcade, Richardspirit, etc...

Enjoy.

This is what you're siding with Rcade, Richardspirit, etc...

Enjoy.

Would you rather they side with you in your trailer-park and be happy to see you get your mail-order diploma?

I think they got better things to do.

Which one of you assholes was "incorporated in Tennessee", btw?

Was it you, Robbie...?.... or was it Vermin? I forget.

I would rather they be honest... with you I can only hope for more flooding.

with you I can only hope for more flooding.

I am not being flooded so your hope is in the toilet.

Anything else you would like to wish for?

I've been going to Catholic churches for over 30 years and I've never seen a sign posted outside to tell women that they are second class in the church. -- #10 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Phoenix have you ever been told you couldn't go into a catholic church because you weren't properly dressed? I highly doubt it.

Why would you want to dress like the boys.

Phoenix have you ever been told you couldn't go into a catholic church because you weren't properly dressed?

No way, Mom would never let that happen!

Why would you want to dress like the boys. -- #172 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Same reason most kids want to wear pants.

"Same reason most kids want to wear pants."

To keep your balls warm?

No way, Mom would never let that happen!

Same here but there is a difference between dressing respectfully and being told you have to dress this way or you can't come in.

I went to Catholic school until college but only had unis in elementary school... The girls were the lucky ones when it was hot out.

#162 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Now are you going to admit that there are violent Christians and Christian organizations as well? That also use their religion to promote and justify their violence.

Same here but there is a difference between dressing respectfully and being told you have to dress this way or you can't come in. -- #175 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Right. So much better to be whispered about and shunned for breaking an unwritten rule than to face clear, posted rules.

Now are you going to admit that there are violent Christians and Christian organizations as well? That also use their religion to promote and justify their violence.

#176 | POSTED BY RICHARDSPIRIT

Of course there are, but if you or anyone is going to claim that its on par with the level that Islam is I'm going to call you a fucking idiot because that's stupid almost to the point of insanity.

Yes you're going to be able to find this guy that shot some doctor, or some cult that killed themselves off... whatever...

Nothing you can find will compare to me offering you millions of people rioting, destroying and yes KILLING because someone drew a fucking cartoon!!

Right. So much better to be whispered about and shunned for breaking an unwritten rule than to face clear, posted rules.

#177 | POSTED BY PHOENIX

What churches are you going to? This just doesn't happen...

Rob is a bigot and a coward. This isn't news.

Rob is a bigot and a coward. This isn't news.

#180 | POSTED BY JACKASS

LOL...

That's the strategy of the whole here though Eb... if its not calling us "dittoheads" then we're bigots or we're racists.
Notice there are few if any actually defending or refuting the things said by Muslims. Its either, "Yeah well Christianity blah blah blah blah," or "you're a bigot hick." Because then they're hoping the conversation will change to that.
Its a tactic and a shitty one at that... just don't buy into it.

#79 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE

Rob are you not a bigot and even worse a coward?

Rob are you not a bigot and even worse a coward?

You have very little room to talk. I don't care for rob at all. He's a fucking asshole.

You, on the other hand, are a potent reminder of what happens 9 months after a mildly retarded scumbag blows his load in the wrong hole during a conjugal visit.

Can ya feel the love? With all these religions of love we are lost in one big gay love fest... LOLLOLOLOL =)

"while he started coming at me."

#1 | Posted by kirk at 2010-08-26 08:24 AM | Reply | Flag: bullshit

Rob are you not a bigot and even worse a coward?

#182 | POSTED BY JACKASS

Why are you so afraid to discuss the topic of Islam. Show me that they don't have a massive problem of violence and oppression on a global scale.

You call me the coward, but you are the one who can't discuss the subject. You're the one trying to get me to go off topic to defend myself from your accusations.

If you want to call me a bigot and coward, fine, go ahead, I'm not going to stop pointing out that Muslims rioted for days, killing people because of a cartoon drawing. I'm not going to stop pointing out that these two Muslims in this story made a last minute course change and just happened to come across an intolerant and oppressive mosque and imam.

Anonymous bloggers calling me a bigot and/or a coward just doesn't bother me.

You have very little room to talk. I don't care for rob at all. He's a fucking asshole.

Blow me

zombiedouche your insults mean nothing because you are pathetic. You sound like one of the kids I used to beat up and steal lunch money from when I was working as a school security guard. I'll bet you are less of a man than they are and they were only in the 7th grade.

You sound like one of the kids I used to beat up and steal lunch money from when I was working as a school security guard.

this made me laugh

Anonymous bloggers calling me a bigot and/or a coward just doesn't bother me.

It should. Every time they do that, they cut a piece out of your credibility.

But then "credibility" doesn't buy the beer in a trailer-park so what do you care?

Show me that they don't have a massive problem of violence and oppression on a global scale.

We don't have global problem with violence.

We are not the ones running two wars at the same time. LOL

America seems to have a habit of going to war against people who can't answer back.... and yes, it's a global problem.

I'm not going to stop pointing out that these two Muslims in this story made a last minute course change and just happened to come across an intolerant and oppressive mosque and imam.

Pakistanis are psychic. We can amaze you in the strangest ways.

Like how did I know you are into mail order diplomas? Just send 100 dollars?

I knew a guy like you. There was no way in hell he was going to get a black belt and graduate.

So he wrote to a guy in Hong Kong called "Peter Cheung" or something, sent him 10 dollars and got his "black belt" in the mail. LOL

I know you.

His "black belt" certificate had all kinds of Chinese written on it.

I bet it was from a Chinese restaurant menu... black belt my ass.

Tosser what the fuck are you talking about?

Tosser what the fuck are you talking about?

Something you are incapable of understanding.

If you're as disgusted as I am by the round-the-clock media narrative that Muslims are anti-American subversives who attend "terror mosques," check out Ali and Tariq's excellent adventure.

-- Rogers Cadenhead

Candenhead needs to remember this remark when they come for him after he has said no to coverting to islam. Now just what was it that the Koran said about those unwilling to covert?

Now just what was it that the Koran said about those unwilling to covert?

"To you your religion and to me, mine. Have a nice day".

That's what it said. LOL

I would NEVER want to convert an American. It would bother me a great deal to have to call you people "brother"... hell it might stick in my throat and I might choke to death.

Who wants that?

"I would NEVER want to convert an American. It would bother me a great deal to have to call you people "brother"... hell it might stick in my throat and I might choke to death."

Are all Muslims your brothers?

@ Rob_The_A_Hole

Do you prefer male priests or female in your church?

Richard,

I made no comments about how Christianity was non violent or excuse acts like the Tiller killing. I only challenged you on your assinine assertion about how gays are being beaten in Kansas by asking for one example. You have been running and deflecting ever since.

Doc was at least smart enough to let it go.

Perhaps you could try a little harder to not reveal your obvious hatred and intolerance for Christians.

#199 | Posted by eberly

Trust me Eberly I hate ALL religions but I hate them equally. Muslims are no worse than any other sick disillusioned religious person.

If you assertion about gays was actually had merit rather than a pathetic deflection then I would answer. You and I know that it does happen and there is no need to point out examples. Try being an adult. I know it's hard since you seem to have trouble not even name calling when talking to a person.

in short Go Fuck Yourself.

I bet it was from a Chinese restaurant menu... black belt my ass.

Kung pao: Legend of the Chicken's Fist

Crouching Chicken, Hidden Civet

General Tao's chicken rocks!

This has got to be the biggest "Who Cares?" story of the year. And CNN is along for the ride, no doubt clueless as to why nobody is watching.

@ Rob_The_A_Hole
Do you prefer male priests or female in your church?

#198 | POSTED BY LUQMAN

Male... do I think women should be priests if they want to, absolutely, but I'd still prefer a dude. Homilies with a chick priest would go on for hours and be all about Brangelina and her periods... who the fuck wants to hear that all day...

Kung pao: Legend of the Chicken's Fist

It was this guy.

This guy did run a cheap restaurant too... I used to get the most amazing beef curry from there. His Dojo was across the street from his restaurant.

I could never tell my teachers I went there to this traitor's restaurant. To hell with him and his style.... I just went there for the food.

Anyway..... "30 mosques in 30 days" must be boring as hell. For me at least.

I would rather see 30 Dojos in 30 Days. See how good Americans are at traditional martial arts? Or have they watered down everything?

I was raised Catholic but based on very limited experience, if I still believed in the God, I'd think about converting to Russian Orthodox.

A couple of years ago, I went to a wake of a coworker who died suddenly at 47. To make it worse, he had a three year old son who was extremely confused about where his father was. Obviously, everyone there thought it was a great tragedy. A minister came out and started blabbering about how "God works in mysterious ways" and all that nonsense. To me, he was saying the same kind of mystical nonsense a Catholic priest would say, only he didn't even have the decency to dress up like a wizard before doing so.

Then a Russian Orthodoz priest comes out. He's dressed like a wizard, which I appreciated. Only his wizard robes are all black instead of the femme colors I'm used to seeing Catholic priests wear. So he's an even cooler wizard. He's in front of the room and his eyes are looking at his feet and he's shaking his head and muttering "I don't know. I don't know why stuff like this happens. I don't have an answer. This is terrible." And I'm thinking "FINALLY! Some honesty from one of these jackasses. This death was terrible and there was no friggin silver lining." Then Russian Orthodox dude whips out a water wand and sprinkles the crowd and sits back down.

I started to realize, this guy was my ideal clergyman: He dresses like a wizard, which I appreciate in my clergy. But he didn't look like a gay wizard, which was better. And he also didn't claim to have all the answers or that a giant shit sandwhich of a situation like a guy with a young kid dying at age 47 was secretly good but we were just too dumb to figure out why. He called the shit sandwich a shit sandwich, sprinkled us with the water and sat the hell down. This was the greatest holy man I've ever seen.

If you must be religious: Russian Orthodoxy FTW!

Trust me Eberly I hate ALL religions but I hate them equally. Muslims are no worse than any other sick disillusioned religious person.

sure you do. However, coincidentally, you have bashed Christianity countless times but haven't uttered a peep about Muslim extremism.

And this is a thread ABOUT the Muslim Faith. I didn't even accuse of you of not hating the Muslim religion. I only mentioned your assertion of Kansans beating up gays and you deflectted into your anti-Christian tirade and I didn't attack Muslims at all nor stumped for Christianity and the horrible acts committed in the name of Christiananity. I have no problem with attacking those acts.

and all you can do is tell me to go fuck myself.

riiiiiiiight, who need to grow up?

This will happen Dickspit and you will make more ridiculous accusations towards people who haven't done a damn thing to you and you wont' be able to back it up. you have done it before and I have beat you over the head with it again and again.

go buy a helmet dumbfuck.

"However, coincidentally, you have bashed Christianity countless times but haven't uttered a peep about Muslim extremism. "

It's not surprising that a non-theist would bash the dominant religion in their particular country. For an American blogger, that would be Christianity. Big deal.

Candenhead needs to remember this remark when they come for him after he has said no to coverting to islam. Now just what was it that the Koran said about those unwilling to covert?

What the hell is wrong with people today? My granddad's generation had to take back Europe from the Nazis and Asia from the Japanese. You're cowering in fright over the idea that Muslims are going to take over the United States and force us all to convert.

What the hell is wrong with people today? My granddad's generation had to take back Europe from the Nazis and Asia from the Japanese. You're cowering in fright over the idea that Muslims are going to take over the United States and force us all to convert.

#212 | POSTED BY RCADE AT

Didn't your granddad's generation (and mine, both served, one in Europe flying the dehavilland mosquito the other was an army doc stateside treating the wounded coming back) lock up hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans simply because of their heritage and slanted eyes?

hundreds of thousands may be an over estimate, but I'm sure you understand where I was going with that.

"He wanted the violent form of Islam...
Wait.... Wha?!?!?! There's a violent form of Islam!?!?!?
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THANK YOU!!! SWEET MOTHER OF FUCK IT ONLY TOOK 159 POSTS!! HALLELUJAH!!
My God was that so hard you fucking assholes... lol
#162 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-08-26"

Now are you going to admit that there are violent Christians and Christian organizations as well? That also use their religion to promote and justify their violence.
#176 | POSTED BY RICHARDSPIRIT
Of course there are, but if you or anyone is going to claim that its on par with the level that Islam is I'm going to call you a fucking idiot because that's stupid almost to the point of insanity.
#178 | Posted by rob_the_a_hole at 2010-08-26 01:56 PM

159 posts to goad someone into admitting violence in Islam, yet only 16 posts later you not only admit to violence in Christianity, you deflect and detract. Amazing.

#1 | Posted by kirk at 2010-08-26 08:24 AM | Reply | Flag: bullshit

#185 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2010-08-26 02:32 PM | Reply

I have a witness, on a public university no less.
So shut it.

For a guy's who's supposedly so educated, you sure act ignorant of the world literally JUST outside your ivory tower. Did you ever hear about the Mohammad cartoons? Yeeeech...

Another Muslim, after a similar discussion literally ran away when discussing Mohammad and his erroneous beliefs.

I have a witness, on a public university no less.

Name? Email? Name of Uni? Time? Date? Place? Names of people participating?

Nope... all you got is bullshit.

Didn't your granddad's generation (and mine, both served, blah blah blah look how patriotic I am by proxy) lock up hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans simply because of their heritage and slanted eyes?

Rob_The_A_Hole wants to put Muslims in concentration camps. And throws in a "slanted eyes" racial slur for good measure.

Is anyone surprised?

Global scale right now, current history which religion has as much of a problem as Islam does in regards to violence and oppression.

Just look at overwhelmingly Christian areas like North America and Europe, then compare them to overwhelmingly Muslim areas like the Middle East and parts of Asia.

Yes, let's look at overwhelmingly Christian areas like Mexico, Colombia, Guatemala, and Brazil.

I'm surprised an educated Jew married a moron such as yourself. She must posses the patience of Job. :)

Didn't your granddad's generation (and mine, both served, one in Europe flying the dehavilland mosquito the other was an army doc stateside treating the wounded coming back) lock up hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans simply because of their heritage and slanted eyes?

Yes, and it was one of the worst things this country has ever done. Do you want to repeat it with Muslims?

Yes, and it was one of the worst things this country has ever done. Do you want to repeat it with Muslims?

#220 | POSTED BY RCADE

No I was just responding to your post about how brave and badass they were, which yes they were in regards to going over to Europe and Asia and kicking ass, but if we compare the two stateside situations it seems that they were much more fearful than we are today. And maybe there were, but I don't recall ever reading about Japanese terrorists in this country during world war II especially not Japanese Americans so it seems like they really had nothing to fear.

Just trying to say things could be certainly be a lot worse for Muslim Americans.

Rob_The_A_Hole wants to put Muslims in concentration camps. And throws in a "slanted eyes" racial slur for good measure.
Is anyone surprised?

#219 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're an idiot.

....or a lot better.

....or a lot better.

#223 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Oh no, people are protesting where they want to put their mosques... the horror!

"We can't "excommunicate" people since we don't have a central authority like the Vatican."

That's correct tosser... You guys just stone the bastards to death or cut off the head....

Oh no, people are protesting where they want to put their mosques... the horror!

Yes they are. In fact, some people are saying no mosques should be built anywhere in the United States of America. You seem to think it's a laughing matter.

The brown shirt looks good on you, little Eichmann.

Yes they are. In fact, some people are saying no mosques should be built anywhere in the United States of America. You seem to think it's a laughing matter.

It is a laughing matter moron, because we have a little thing called the Constitution. People can protest all they want (constitutionally protected) but they're never going to be able to stop American citizens from worshiping their God on private property (because its consti-fucking-tutionally protected).

How do you not fucking get this by now? All they can do is exercise their first amendment rights to protest. They have no power to stop either the mosque near ground zero or the one in Tennessee or anywhere else in America.

You are a stupid, stupid person. And you're little Nazi insult only hammers that home.

"Now are you going to admit that there are violent Christians and Christian organizations as well?"

Sombody post some links to news from this century or the last excluding world wars, where Christians killed people,
stoned people to death,
Flew airplanes into buildings and killed 300 people,
cut off heads,
hung children,
Machine gunned children in a school,
Hijacked a plane and kid napped the passengers,
Hijacked a boat and killed a passenger who was in a wheel chair,
or my favorite, Killed any member of any other religion for preaching their religion to others.

looks like I'll be waiting a while.

You guys just stone the bastards to death or cut off the head....

Killing people who are apostates?

When? Where? Name? Time? Date?

excluding world wars,

Since Christians started both world wars, no, thank you, let us NOT exclude world wars. LOL

Chump... be intellectually honest for once in your miserable life.

Since Christians started both world wars

Lot of Jesus Fish on those Zero Fighters at Pearl Harbor? I didn't know that...

Both World Wars were started in Europe by Europeans and by your own logic Europeans are predominantly Christian, so.....

Just climbing on the roof of your trailer and waving your dick in front of the world won't get you anywhere, you know. You got to read some books sometime too.

"Since Christians started both world wars" Adolf Hitler was not a christian...

According to historian Bradley F. Smith, Hitler's father Alois, though nominally a Catholic, was somewhat religiously sceptical,[1] while his mother was a practicing Catholic.[2] According to historian Michael Rissmann, young Hitler was influenced in school by Pan-Germanism and began to reject the Catholic Church, receiving Confirmation only unwillingly. A boyhood friend reports that after Hitler had left home, he never again attended a Catholic Mass or received the Church's Sacraments.

And I had no idea there were any Christians in the Japanese Military Industrial body who planned pearl harbor.

You have been brain washed by your Imam there tosser.... I suggest you ask for your donations back...

"You got to read some books sometime too."

What book did you read that states that wwII started in Europe for the US. I was told it started in the US when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor....

Those dirty Christian Jap Bastards! LOL

#234 | Posted by BLABBERMOUTH at 2010-08-27 09:41 AM | Reply

"Adolf Hitler was not a christian."

Riiight

Seig heil for jeebus!

I don't believe Hitler was Christian, but I do believe he pretended when it suited him. I beleive Hitler did what Hitler did because he wanted to and would pretend to be whatever he needed to fool the people into thinking he was with them; be they socialist, Christian, or German.

It is a laughing matter moron, because we have a little thing called the Constitution. People can protest all they want (constitutionally protected) but they're never going to be able to stop American citizens from worshiping their God on private property (because its consti-fucking-tutionally protected).

Earlier:

think part that should be added to the narrative is the that Muslims also have this bullshit attitude of "why us?" for why they're getting fucked with lately in this country. Oh... gee... I don't know, maybe because of the thousands of Americans killed by muslims through cowardly acts of terrorism spanning decades. Maybe that has something to do with it... might also have something to do with the state of Islam in the Middle East and Asia and a few European nations.

So, what you're saying is, we have a Constitutional right to fuck with Muslims, such as protesting their mosques.

Is protesting abortion clinics and military funerals no longer "edgy" enough for you, Mr. Phelps?

I was told it started in the US when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor....

I'm sorry to tell you but the Japanese did not start WW2.

Hitler was not a christian. His parents were but after childhood he swore it off. He hated Catholicism and it's leaders. He used it as an excuse ( The jews killed Christ) to kill a lot of people he didn't like. And, As is typical I said excluding World Wars... Using Hitler as an example of modern Christians is like using Jeffery Domer as an example of how all white males act.... Stupid.

Hitler would say whatever motivated the crowd to support his agenda.

Still waiting for those posted links

I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.
- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. ...Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. ...
- Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922

What a liar says they believe means nothing. Look at what they do and judge their beliefs as such. Hitler killed millions- he was not Christian.

So, what you're saying is, we have a Constitutional right to fuck with Muslims, such as protesting their mosques.

#240 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Of course we do! Have you ever even seen the Constitution...

You have a right to peacefully protest anything you damn well please. You can even protest against other parts of the Constitution, such as where people can worship, or the peoples right to bear arms.

Seriously, do you know absolutely nothing about the Constitution or is it that you are just stupid? Its okay to be stupid, just let everyone know so that its on the record.

Its okay to be stupid, just let everyone know so that its on the record.
#246 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

It is, we do, and you're good to go, Rob.

So, what you're saying is, we have a Constitutional right to fuck with Muslims, such as protesting their mosques.

#240 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The one universal right in America is this: you have the right to be offended.

In any free society, you will be offended and you will offend. I would not have it any other way.

Hitler killed millions- he was not Christian.
#245 | Posted by kanrei

By that standard there are some pretty big names that need scratching from the list. You can start with Richard the Lionhearted.

Good one Doc...

#250 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-08-27 10:45 AM |

Agreed. Anyone who kills is not following the faith they claim to when G-d clearly says over and over that vengence is his; you will be held to the standards you hold others to; if you forgive, you will be forgiven; and thou shall not kill.

A little cheap, Rob, but, hey, when the door's open...
;>)

#252 | Posted by kanrei

We don't disagree on this.

There's a story from the World War I era, told, as was the wont of the time, with an Oirish lilt. It boiled down to this: the Americans, French, Germans and others, all praying to God. How do we know God's on "our" side? "Why, how the hell could he understand 'em?"

Religion and belief in an Almighty is often the vehicle, the excuse used for horrific behavior. And by engaging in that behavior, one excludes the possiblility of acting in a manner consistent with the original, stated belief. But that often doesn't seem to phase folks. Unfortunately.

Rob_The_A_Hole,

I believe you missed my point. Obviously Fred Phelps has a Constitutional right to protest. That does not render his protestation wise, credulous, or suitable behavior among civilized folk.

You do not view the ground zero mosque protesters in the same light as the Westboro Baptist Church. Sensible people do.

I believe you missed my point.

You're not making a point. You're throwing around insults like "Nazi" and "Fred Phelps" and now that you've been shown to be quite a fucking moron you're trying to back track.

You do not view the ground zero mosque protesters in the same light as the Westboro Baptist Church. Sensible people do.

#255 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Over 60% of the country agrees thinks that the mosque should be moved. So you're just not correct with this statement.

The Westboro people say things like "thank God for dead soldiers," so no, sensible people do not see 60%+ of the country in that light.

Stick to calling people "Little Eichmann," at least then you're an entertaining little idiot even if you are stealing material from Ward Churchill.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.
- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941"

So.... We are now trusting the words of Hitler..... To prove what?

This is the insanity of the left leaning folks...

Liberalism is a mental Disorder.... You got it bad...

Over 60% of the country agrees thinks that the mosque should be moved

Meaningless when it comes to religious freedom and rights.

Meaningless when it comes to religious freedom and rights.

#258 | POSTED BY KANREI

Of course. I was responding to Snoofy saying "sensible" people see the Westboro protesters and the mosque protesters in the same light.

Since over 60% of the country agrees with the mosque protesters they clearly aren't seen in the same light as the Westboro Baptist Church, since I'm pretty sure 60% of this country isn't thankful for dead soldiers.

#259 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

True. I doubt Westboro has even 5% support.

Over 60% of the country agrees thinks that the mosque should be moved. So you're just not correct with this statement.

The Westboro people say things like "thank God for dead soldiers," so no, sensible people do not see 60%+ of the country in that light.

So what you're saying is, the Westboro Baptist Church would be right if a majority agreed with them, like they agree with you about a mosque.

Mob rule much?

"Liberalism is a mental Disorder...."

Actually:

So what you're saying is, the Westboro Baptist Church would be right if a majority agreed with them, like they agree with you about a mosque.
Mob rule much?
#261 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Nope. You said sensible people see the protesters in the same light as the Westboro Baptist Church. I brought up the polls to show you that statement is inaccurate. Now, if you have a poll showing that they get similar support then you would be right. Or I guess if you have a poll showing that over 60% of the country is not sensible that would work too, but then it would also contradict the low poll numbers supporting the WBC.

So see, you're fucked either way.

What's it like to say so many stupid things in one thread? Is your face all flushed with embarrassment? A lot of flop sweat on the brow? You can punch out now if you want... or you can stay and keep entertaining me.

Of course. I was responding to Snoofy saying "sensible" people see the Westboro protesters and the mosque protesters in the same light.

Both groups spew hatred based on religion under guise of their Constitutional right to protest. They are very similar. One group dispenses a flavor of hate you're rather fond of; that's the only difference.

Or I guess if you have a poll showing that over 60% of the country is not sensible that would work too

Nothing would please me more than to be able to cite the 80+% of Americans who believe in G-d. Alas, that one technically remains an "unknown."

Nothing would please me more than to be able to cite the 80+% of Americans who believe in G-d. Alas, that one technically remains an "unknown."

#265 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Its actually 96% that believe in God...

Regardless, you are in favor of one group's Constitutionally protected hate speech and opposed to another. Might I ask why the double standard?

Regardless, you are in favor of one group's Constitutionally protected hate speech and opposed to another. Might I ask why the double standard?

#267 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't like the Westboro Church, but they have every right to protest.

I'm not even all that opposed to the Mosque, I just think the guy building it is a dick. He has the right to build it if he can afford to (serious doubts if he can), and the people opposed to it have every right to protest it.

Teaching you about the constitution is like teaching a sandbox how to repair an ACL... what makes you this stupid?

Hitler also signed an agreement with Chamberland that he wouldn't start a war... He also signed an agreement with Stalin that he wouldn't attack Russia...

We should believe what he said in a Political Speech? The Nutz just keeps getting creepier and creepier in here...

People will stoop to anything I guess to win an argument... in their own minds... I bet after you type your answers and post your hitler was a christian links that you rubbed your palms together and giggled...... "I sure showed him".....

Yes you did.....

Over 60% of the country agrees thinks that the mosque should be moved

I'm not even all that opposed to the Mosque

Equivocate much?

"Reasonable people, such as the distinguished academic researchers cited here, will no doubt agree that until effective treatments can be developed, we should reconsider whether sufferers of conservatism, like other mental defectives, should be allowed freely to exercise the franchise."

That says it all duh-nit?

lol....

So now I'm a conservative?

And maybe there were, but I don't recall ever reading about Japanese terrorists in this country during world war II especially not Japanese Americans so it seems like they really had nothing to fear.

There was at least one example: A team of five Germans spies snuck ashore in Jacksonville during World War II:

I'm not even all that opposed to the Mosque, I just think the guy building it is a dick.

I'm not all that opposed to people protesting the mosque, I just think they're anti-American douchenozzles.

Saying "I'm not against the mosque, but ..." seems like a copout to me. You either believe in freedom of religion or you don't. Freedom of religion isn't very free if the building of a house of worship attracts protests and harassment.

I think they should be completely left alone to build their mosque, and if people are fired up by the location, they should either buy the building from them or shut their pieholes. Republicans used to care about the right of religions to build houses of worship where they desired without interference.

Saying "I'm not against the mosque, but ..." seems like a copout to me. You either believe in freedom of religion or you don't. Freedom of religion isn't very free if the building of a house of worship attracts protests and harassmen

You either believe in freedom to peacefully protest or you don't.

If Republicans are trying to get the Federal Government to step in and stop people from worshiping their God on private property then they've gone too far and go against everything the GOP stands for. As long as they're just protesting outside, or using the media to express their opinions they are doing nothing wrong, and in fact what they are doing is very much American.

Freedom in America:

The Mosque is built.

The Protesters peaceably protest.

The counter-protesters call the protesters names.

Freedom of Religion check
Freedom of Expression check
Freedom of Speech check

What a great country!

I think part that should be added to the narrative is the that Muslims also have this bullshit attitude of "why us?" for why they're getting fucked with lately in this country. Oh... gee... I don't know, maybe because of the thousands of Americans killed by muslims through cowardly acts of terrorism spanning decades. Maybe that has something to do with it... might also have something to do with the state of Islam in the Middle East and Asia and a few European nations.

Golly, they killed thousands over decades! Which means Muslims amount to 0.1% the danger of drunk drivers.

Here's a clue: How 'bout you go protest a liquor store and a Ford dealership if it means so much to you. And try breathing through your nose for a change.

You either believe in freedom to peacefully protest or you don't.

In other news, you and 60% of Americans believe the mosque should be built elsewhere, the lip service you just paid the Constitution notwithstanding.

re: #273
RCADE-
I think we're in agreement that we believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion. I think we can also agree on a couple of concepts:
1. That neither of those two freedoms is absolute (without restrictions).
2. That because someone has the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

It's that second one where issues of propriety and provocation come into play. That I may have a legal right to build my KKK headquarters next to the NAACP headquarters doesn't mean it should happen. I'd hope cooler heads would prevail.

By the way, if local authorities voted to change local zoning to force them to move, would you be OK with that... since "the law" would dictate it be moved?

I agree that ultimately the city will buy the land or that there will be some sort of deal struck to move the mosque - allowing everyone to save face, to a degree. I'd rather see no church in that area. Let it be something free of the controversies over faith/politics and let be a memorial to those who perished.

To illustrate my point about one's right to act not always being the right thing to do... a hypothetical for a moment... if you were offered a great job out of state, but your family objected due to their personal feelings about their home and its surroundings, would you ultimately take the job? No one disputes you have the right to take it. Yet before acting/taking the job, you no doubt take into account the feelings of others.

In other news, you and 60% of Americans believe the mosque should be built elsewhere, the lip service you just paid the Constitution notwithstanding.

Bullshit. I have zero opinion on the mosque being built where it is. It's not really my business or my concern.

That because someone has the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

True, but as I said I don't think building the mosque there is the wrong thing to do. I wouldn't have an opinion on a church or synagogue being built there either. It's a matter for those Muslims and the local zoning board and other city regulators.

By the way, if local authorities voted to change local zoning to force them to move, would you be OK with that... since "the law" would dictate it be moved?

At this point, yes I would have a problem with it. The zoning authorities already OK'd the project there. Backtracking in the face of a right-wing smear campaign would be wrong.

Here's a clue: How 'bout you go protest a liquor store and a Ford dealership if it means so much to you.

So to you there is no difference between voluntarily drinking yourself to death and having a plane crash into your office killing you instantly.

You are stupid.

Bullshit. I have zero opinion on the mosque being built where it is. It's not really my business or my concern.

I think that was from Snoofy to me... but he's so unbelievably dumb i'm not even sure anymore.

OIC. Sorry Snoofy. I said bullshit to you over nothing.

So to you there is no difference between voluntarily drinking yourself to death and having a plane crash into your office killing you instantly.

No, there's a huge difference. Between drunk drivers and Muslim extremists, I know which one is a greater danger to me, by a factor of like 10,000.

Do you?

As a New York resident I feel they have a right to build a mosque there but the common sense thing to do would be to build it someplace else... I don't like the idea of a mosque at ground zero. I went there last weekend. I saw where the building is and in my opinion it's too close to the place where 3000 people were killed.... Whomever they were religiously the victims of 9/11 are both dead and living. I was here on 9/11... I was horrified at the death and destruction I saw two days later when I was at ground zero... I don't wish to have a mosque there... You can't tell me people aren't going to go there and gloat over the event from within those walls. It's like letting custers old 7th cav build a catholic church in the middle of an indian grave yard... It's just not done....

I don't like the idea of a mosque at ground zero.....I don't wish.

Who cares what you like or dislike?

I love the idea of a Mosque at the 9/11 massacre. To me it is the ultimate FU to neocons everywhere. They are basically saying we killed 3000 Americans and we are going to rub it in and there is nothing you can do to stop us. This will be a lasting reminder of the republican failures that occurred on that day.

"As a New York resident I feel they have a right to build a mosque there but the common sense thing to do would be to build it someplace else..."

I've said all along that if you do something that unnecessarily causes grief for others just because you are within your rights to do it: You are a prick.

I compare building a mosque at this site to farting in a crowded elevator. Am I "within my rights" to do it? Yes. Does that mean nobody in the elevator has a right to take offense? No. Its fucking rude to bust ass in an elevator whether its legal to do so or not.

But most people would rather oversimplifying everything into their "good guy/bad guy" world view where on every issue one side is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong than think.

When people see the mosque it will be a painful reminder of how republicans let them down. I will rejoice when this mosque is complete. I hope they have a 9/11 Islamic parade.

I compare building a mosque at this site to farting in a crowded elevator.

I would say it's like bringing perfume into an elevator full of American farts.

I will rejoice when this mosque is complete.

Criminal, isn't the prayer room in your pokey big enough for you?

Anyway, you all.... watch the video here.

"I would say it's like bringing perfume into an elevator full of American farts."

I'm surprised you are here today. I would have thought you would be out harrassing foreign aid workers. You know, the chance to stick it to infidels in person and all.....

I would have thought you would be out harrassing foreign aid workers.

Nawww.... not my thing. Besides, I haven't seen any.

You know, the chance to stick it to infidels in person and all.....

Why would I do that when bringing tar and feathers to the Retort is so much easier?

No... I poop here.... not out in the sun where it's bad for my complexion.

Tosser you need to start calling me brother. Especially on a Friday.

How about I call you Chootiya instead?

And from the truly insane we get things like this "This will be a lasting reminder of the republican failures that occurred on that day"

I compare building a mosque at this site to farting in a crowded elevator.

In other words, it's something that happens all the time and isn't a big deal at all, and the sort of thing only a batshit crazy insane person like Fred Phelps would bother protesting.

Essentially, a non-event.

Mark my words...

The mosque if built will cause trouble or get in trouble in the future..

We will find out that either people are in there gloating over the 9/11 attack, or an Imam will preach something that pisses everyone off, or there will be terrorists found to have worshiped there in the future .

If you don't live in New York, It's none of your business anyway...

I don't tell you what should and shouldn't go on in texas or any other state.

Fact is... If it were put to a general vote in this state... There wold be zero mosques at ground zero...

Bullshit it is none of my business. When Nationalism is being used to deny people their basic American rights, it is everyone's business.

General vote is meaningless as rights are not distributed based on popularity.

The KEY to TOLERANCE is putting up with what you don't like. You want tolerance, but refuse to show any. You want us to respect your beliefs and your right to worship how and where you want; show others the same respect.

And you can't say that NY is a right wing wingnut state...

I've said all along that if you do something that unnecessarily causes grief for others just because you are within your rights to do it: You are a prick.

The cartoonists who drew pictures of Mohammed caused grief to others. Does that make them pricks? It is impossible in this society -- with so many opportunists out there sparking outrage for a living -- to not hurt somebody's feelings with anything you do.

"The KEY to TOLERANCE is putting up with what you don't like"

Someone should tell that to the Imams in Iran who want to stone a woman to death for adultery...

Mark my words...

I'll mark them down as the words of a clueless sack of shit.

If you don't live in New York, It's none of your business anyway...

Applying the same logic, you shouldn't be concerned with affairs beyond the confines of your mobile home park. Unless, of course, you see a tornado coming.

Fact is... If it were put to a general vote in this state... There wold be zero mosques at ground zero...

Religious freedom is a fundamental right not subject to the whims of the electorate. Quit bitching.

Are the Imams in the US any different? The ones calling for Sheria law in the US? I think not.... They will be down there preaching Death To America.... Freedom of speech doesn't cover inciting hatred and causing people to get killed.

But for now my guess is that the mosque will never be built...

Fagetaboutit!

Someone should tell that to the Imams in Iran who want to stone a woman to death for adultery...

#302 | Posted by BLABBERMOUTH at 2010-08-27 02:23 PM

So, because Iran is wrong, you want America to be as well? Is this a race to the bottom? Or is America a better country because we tolerate what we don't like?

Seems like you would be much happier in Iran. You keep using them as a justification for your hate.

Seems like you would be much happier in Iran. You keep using them as a justification for your hate.

It's odd. In reality the country exemplifies the futility of trying to engineer an ideologically homogeneous, socially conservative society without brutality. Instead, people take it as further proof that everything between the Jordan River and the Pacific Ocean would make a nice parking lot. It's pretty funny that the people who believe this are supportive of the same ideologies that created that regime in the first place.

Find an old Khomeini speech. Change things to do with Islam to things about Christianity. Substitute Democrats, liberal elite, and any country but Israel for things to do with the Shah and the US. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine Glenn Beck or some apeshit crazy radio jockey reading it.

chootiya

asshole, extremely irritating personallity

Tosser that will not work. I am your Muslim brother.

"So, because Iran is wrong, you want America to be as well? Is this a race to the bottom? Or is America a better country because we tolerate what we don't like?

Seems like you would be much happier in Iran. You keep using them as a justification for your hate."

Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Blithering Idiots talk like that.... I'm not a hater... You are.... You hate anything that you don't agree with... Don't make me dig up some of the crap you have spewed on here....

You hate anything that you don't agree with

Really?

HAHA. You are funny.

Don't make me dig up some of the crap you have spewed on here....
Go for it. We can compare your bile with mine. I bet you win hands down.

In the end... Nobody could post any links of the type I was looking for up top...

No Catholics Killing children in the press... Hijacking planes.... No Boat Hijackings.... No Christians flying planes into buildings.... Nothing like that...

No Christians killing Islamists for preaching their faith to others....

Nope... Didn't see a single post....

What I saw is people taking the word of Adolf Hitler of all people because he stated that he was a practicing catholic...

The Nutz is read deep in this room.....

Here is a dose of New York reality for the folks like Tosser..

If Tone from Brooklyn says "Fagetaboutit! Your lovely mosque will never be built. And I believe tha man has spoken those exact words my friends....

Fagetaboutit!

No Catholics Killing children in the press

Nazis... Catholics... killed plenty of kids.

Hijacking planes

More Christians have hijacked planes than Muslims.

Look it up. LOL

No Boat Hijackings

Christians released a toxic cloud of dioxine gas in Bhopal, India, killing and maiming tens of thousands. Who the hell cares about a boat? That's small potatoes.

No Christians flying planes into buildings

American Christian flew a plane into the IRS building.

No Christians killing Islamists for preaching their faith to others...

They lack the guts.

If Tone from Brooklyn

Who?

Should I know this "tone"? LOL

No Christians killing Islamists for preaching their faith to others...

Except in Iraq and Afghanistan, but don't let facts bother you.

As Rush Limbaugh said: We are at war with Islam; there is no Islamic Government for us to war with.

"The cartoonists who drew pictures of Mohammed caused grief to others. Does that make them pricks? It is impossible in this society -- with so many opportunists out there sparking outrage for a living -- to not hurt somebody's feelings with anything you do."

I think its kind of common sense not to build a cultural center in honor of the culture that produced the 9/11 terrorists in the shadow of Ground Zero. The terrorist don't represent the whole culture but they represent a small part of it.

I can't imagine that if the IRA were guilty of 9/11, that Irish Americans would build an Irish Cultural Center at the same location. And it wouldn't be due to guilty feelings either. It would be out of common sense and not wanting to be seen as rubbing it in or being insensitive to the people who were murdered, their families and the people who had to scrape them off the pavement. Even though most Irish people don't like it, on some level they own the fact that the IRA is part of Irish culture.

I know your position is that there is nothing offensive or insensitive about the actions of the people building this cultural center. Honestly, its hard for me to take that position seriously as I can't imagine any mentally competent human being not understanding why this is just not appropriate. Yes, its emotional arguement more than an intellectual one but its an emotional arguement that most people categorize under common sense and good manners.

Should I know this "tone"? LOL

Seems tosser views all whits as christians... The Nazi's don't count... And.... They were Nazis not christians...

So you found the lone nut who flew his plane into the irs? Nice ... Yea that will tip the scale for ya....

I misspelled the name ... It's Tony from Brooklyn.... And no you shouldn't know him... He would snap your arrogant little neck.....

FuGetaboutit!

Tosser needs to follow my example of how a good Muslim should live.

Freedom of speech doesn't go to far in Brooklyn there tosser... You have to back up your mouth there... You'd get your ass kicked in five minutes "LOL" to you too.

I can't imagine that if the IRA were guilty of 9/11, that Irish Americans would build an Irish Cultural Center at the same location. And it wouldn't be due to guilty feelings either. It would be out of common sense and not wanting to be seen as rubbing it in or being insensitive to the people who were murdered, their families and the people who had to scrape them off the pavement.

This is the Age of the Messiah.

Anything is possible in this new age.

Even though most Irish people don't like it, on some level they own the fact that the IRA is part of Irish culture.

Why on earth should I own the 9-11 hijackers?

I'm afraid it doesn't work like that for us. They were Saudis and I am not.

I have a good friend who lost a small child. Our other friends who have small kids generally don't talk about their kids in front of him and his wife unless they ask.

Why? Is it wrong for my other friends to have kids? Is it wrong for them to proud of them and want to talk about them?

No. They just don't want to bring back horrible memories for people who suffered a loss. So they alter their behavior a bit as to not do that rather than running their mouths off about their brats all the time and then getting self righteous about it if someone tells them to tone it down.

That's just how considerate people behave in our culture. I'm shocked that so many people pretend not to know this.

And I see Spud in Canada is running hi mouth again on how we should live and what we should think and the way we should act in America...

Very intelligent that spud.... You're the smartest ass in the room there spuds...

"Why on earth should I own the 9-11 hijackers?"

Islamic culture in general should own and address its terrorism problem. Pretending it doesn't exist hasn't worked.

"I'm afraid it doesn't work like that for us. They were Saudis and I am not."

Extremism is part of Islamic culture- especially in Pakistan. You can play stupid all you want but I'm not going along for the ride.

Any of you have the balls to predict weather or not the mosque gets built? I say it will never get built.... Not on that spot anyway...

Anybody else?

The Nazi's don't count

I'm afraid they do count.

They were Nazis not christians...

Yes they were.

So you found the lone nut who flew his plane into the irs?

You asked "give me an example" and I gave you a perfect example. No more no less. Why complain?

He would snap your arrogant little neck.....

Oh, I doubt any of you could do that. LOL

You'd get your ass kicked in five minutes

I doubt it, seriously.

People in NY and in America have proven themselves cowards being afraid of a Mosque. LOL

Nobody is kicking anyone's ass.

Blabber I say it gets built and you are forced to convert. The prophecy is that everyone will eventually become Muslim.

Extremism is part of Islamic culture- especially in Pakistan.

The Pakistan Army took care of the "extremists" and the Monsoon took care of the rest of them. LOL

And no, extremism is not part of Islamic culture. I have yet to experience it personally.

When I do, I might change my opinion.

Most of the 1.6 Billion just want to mind their own business.

The prophecy is that everyone will eventually become Muslim.

One day, yes.

Sorry... but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

I get a real tummy-ache thinking Americans will be Muslims one day... I really hate the idea... but the prophecy is there and I have to accept it since other prophecies have come true.

Islamic culture in general should own

Oh and I don't know what you mean by "Islamic Culture".

What is that? I don't know. Seems like American media created nonsense.

Is there something called "Christian culture" or "Catholic culture"? No?

I mean I know of Pakistani-cultures (most of them), British culture (only that of the English), Afghan-Pathan culture.... but I have no idea WTF "Islamic culture" is?

Most of the 1.6 Billion just want to mind their own business.
#327 | Posted by Tosser

It's that way in Western Society too. The warmongering extremists go into national politics or the military.

I really hate the idea... but the prophecy is there and I have to accept it since other prophecies have come true.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

Blabber I say it gets built and you are forced to convert. The prophecy is that everyone will eventually become Muslim.

The closest thing humanity will see to everyone facing mecca in prayer is probably centuries off. The remnants of the human race will have taken to the stars. Together they look back at the dying husk of a world they left, awed by how far the species has come and how far it has fallen.

chootiya

asshole, extremely irritating personallity

Wow, jackass. You can use urbandictionary.com pat yourself on the back.

Thanks coward.

"The prophecy is that everyone will eventually become Muslim" And why should we believe that one above all the others that never came true...

"People in NY and in America have proven themselves cowards being afraid of a Mosque"

Nobody is afraid of the Mosque being Built... They simply don't want it built.

The oldest mosque in America was built in the state of Iowa Feb 1934. So they have been here for a while....

You don't seem to comprehend nor care for other peoples needs and wants.... We don't have a Japanese Church at ground zero in Pearl Harbor... Because that would be wrong to put one there.... Though Japanese Americans have every right to put one there... They wouldn't dare. Because it would be wrong....

The Muslim people feel that they need to be treated special. Well I say the hell with you and your Mohammed and your Koran too....

I know you feel that you Muslims are just so superior that you can do what you want regardless of who thinks what....

The fact is your not superior... Of the 1.6 Billion of you... Most are in countries that are poverty stricken... Third world nations... Most of you still eat and wipe your asses with your bare hands... When you are modernized the masses will walk away from the insane Imams....

Islam will shrink to nothing once people are educated. With education come wealth and freedom... Something Islam doesn't allow for.

Here's the average persons take on Islam... The Koran was written not in the time of Mohammad but decades after his demise. (Died of poisoning) Mohammad was illiterate and never wrote anything.

How is it then that the book which was completely written by men motivated to conquer the masses can be taken seriously? Mohammad never wrote squat because the man couldn't write... He was an uneducated person....

As far as the Angel Gabriel visiting him... Were there any witnesses listed in the Koran... I wouldn't know because I never read it...

The whole thing just seems suspect to me because back when these books like the bible and the koran were written... Angels were flying all over the place visiting people.... And Personally I have never heard of one in recent history.... Most of the Koran was taken from the old testiment and even the Torah... Nothing origional there...

Someone is being wrong on the internet?

* resurfaces *

We don't have a Japanese Church at ground zero in Pearl Harbor...

*facepalm*

Yer analogy is inapt.

Japan is a country.

Islam is a religion.

Terrorism is a tactic.

And there *is* a Japanese cultural center within a few blocks of Pearl Harbor.

"Muslims can build a Mosque in NY in much the same way that Catholics can put up a church next to a schoolyard."

~John Oliver.

Be Well.

/K, really gone now.

Thanks coward.

It's the least I would do for a needle-dicked imbecile like you. Do tell, jackass... what makes me such a coward?

"Japan is a country."

Yes and a Japanese church would be a Shinto or Buddhism temple... Man you guys are like children...

While you're splitting hairs...

Mohammad was poisoned after the battle of Khaybar by a Jew woman belonging to the Banu Nadir tribe. The Nadir tribe was one of three that Mohammad had banished from the area which caused great hardship issues for those people at the time no doubt.

"Mohammad was poisoned after the battle of Khaybar by a Jew woman belonging to the Banu Nadir tribe. The Nadir tribe was one of three that Mohammad had banished from the area which caused great hardship issues for those people at the time no doubt."

There is nothing that Muslims accuse the US of doing that Mohammed didn't do in his heyday.

"While you're splitting hairs..."

The downside to fellatio and cunnilingus.

What's that you say? Splitting hairs?

Sorry. Never mind.

So Mohammad was killed by a woman... Thus we have the Burka today and the horrendous treatment of women by the Islamic culture....

"I mean I know of Pakistani-cultures (most of them), British culture (only that of the English), Afghan-Pathan culture.... but I have no idea WTF "Islamic culture" is?"

If the women in your town are afraid to raise their voices for fear of being beaten by a shoe.... You're probably living in an islamic culture....

If the women in your town are not allowed to wear a miniskirt in public for fear of being killed for it.... You're probably living in an islamic culture....

If the women in your town are forced to cover themselves up from head to toe in public....... You're probably living in an islamic culture....

If the women in your town are shot to death for even being suspected of being connected to prostitution.... You're probably living in an islamic culture....

If the women in your town are made to walk behind their husbands at all times in public.... You're probably living in an islamic culture....

If the women in your town are not allowed to have a drivers license... You're probably living in an islamic culture....

If you read in your local newspaper that people inside your country were beheaded because they refused to convert to Islam or were suspected of being a CIA spy.... You're probably living in an islamic culture....

If the men in your town show up to a town meeting or a gathering with AK-47's.... You're probably living in an islamic culture....

If people in your country are wiped for disobeying the religious ru;es set out by the local crazy Imam.... You're probably living in an islamic culture....

Hear is a real thumper... Mohammad wanted all Muslims to face Jerusalem for prayer... He was overridden on that one I guess... Those after him chose Mecca....

Do tell, jackass... what makes me such a coward?

#339 | Posted by ZombieHunter

I have read your posts. I can tell you aren't a real man. What martial arts have you trained and how many republicans have you beat up?

C'mon Jackass.

"Martial Arts Training" = Dance Lessons

Here is a look at life in the great Pakistan where tosser is from...

Looks like Pajama people living like shit to me...

I have read your posts. I can tell you aren't a real man.

LOL

You wouldn't know a "real man" if you watched one stick his cock so deep your mother's ass it burst her appendix.

I know that wouldn't be you since it would require more than your 2 inches.

I know that wouldn't be you since it would require more than your 2 inches.

I've only shown you the tip, sugar tits. I'll wait for your former cellmates to loosen you up enough to handle the rest.

"Hear is a real thumper... Mohammad wanted all Muslims to face Jerusalem for prayer... He was overridden on that one I guess... Those after him chose Mecca...."

Flat out wrong.

during revelation, Muhammad was instructed to change Qibla (direction of prayer) to make a distinction between Islam and Judaism.

I'll wait for your former cellmates to loosen you up enough to handle the rest.

#351 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-08-27 08:47 PM |

So you are gay? At least you are out of the closet now.

"So Mohammad was killed by a woman... Thus we have the Burka today and the horrendous treatment of women by the Islamic culture...."

A common lie that is perpetuated by haters, but one that is wrong. Muhammad consumed poison, but knew it was posioned, being infromed by the food itself, and only consimed a small portion, and even though it affected him, he did not die until three to four years later! Some poison! And prophet Jesus, supposedly son of God, was crucified by man. These lies are perpetuated by dishonest Christian zealots who seek to convert Muslims to Christianity, although they slap Jesus in the face by arguing that if a prophet is killed by another human in a debased fashion, then they are not a true prophet.

and the Burka is not Islamic, but a cultural tradtion that doesn't even have its genesis in an Arab country! So Blabbermouth, you really are... just a blabbermouth.

Go peddle your deceit elsewhere...

Muhammad was instructed to change Qibla (direction of prayer) to make a distinction between Islam and Judaism.

Correct.

As you can see, Blabbermouth has been spewing nonsense, from start to finish. Some of it was even funny.

Cool, Tossy is getting a little Jihad gang together...Nice, we need a Al Queda cell peddling the death cult of islam here!

'Diversity' @ werk!

Baboo is harmless...It's the fucking soup Nazi I'm worried about!

Mohamed was poisoned by Jews and died?

Idiot, he died of meningitis, much much later. LOL

Copy-pasting from a Christian-Fundo website (yes, the first ones that pop up in Google) would just make a historical fool out of you. I checked them out and they are full of errors, even very basic ones.

Cool, Tossy is getting a little Jihad gang together

I am???

It sounded good at the time....

Tosser-
You're a substitute for Obama among the intelligentsia of the POST A COOL METAL SONG Republican gang, Tosser, and you sooo fucking deserve it.

You are an insufferable asshole, and when it comes down to REX riding you in spite of your obsequious bid to be an honorary idiot, I must admit that I don't know whom to think is is biggest douchebag.

You are an insufferable asshole

That's what "Tosser" means, laddie. LOL

when it comes down to REX riding you

There is no "Rex". There is only "Ghost of Rex". And it isn't doing much riding these days.

That's what "Tosser" means, laddie. LOL

No, that's not what "tosser" means, jackoff.

And so begins the nightly down cycle of the Beetlebug.....A slow descent into the void of dark madness from whence it came....

Next Stop, Twilight Zone

Speaking of "Ghost of Rex"....

RCADE! Incoming baffoon at 10 o'clock! Victorymask was playing shitty music! You know that that means! Do something!

No, that's not what "tosser" means

It also means "irritating asshole", Boyd. It depends on the usage. LOL

RCADE! Incoming baffoon at 10 o'clock! Victorymask was playing shitty music! You know that that means! Do something!

Oops.... spelling...

Incoming buffoon at 10 o'clock. Victorymask is playing his trademark shitty music again.

You know what THAT means. It be the Ghost or you-know-who.

Do something, dude.

or you-know-who. = OF you-know-who....

I need more tea....

Hahahahaha, classic.

and the Burka is not Islamic, but a cultural tradtion that doesn't even have its genesis in an Arab country! So Blabbermouth, you really are... just a blabbermouth.

Correct again. Yes, the burka isn't Islamic and yes, Blabbermouth is lying and twisting history from start to finish.

But then, what else would you expect from a piece of ignorant trailer-trash?

Tosser-
re: It also means "irritating asshole", Boyd. It depends on the usage. LOL

#366 | Posted by Tosser at 2010-08-28 12:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

No, it quite explicitly means chronic masturbator, "Tosser".

Oh....(LOL)

I sincerely hope the money I sent to bail out the innocent people of Pakistan doesn't end up in a tosser's hand.

Sincerly?

If it ends up in Tossys hands, it will be all covered in Paki jizz.

REX-
Don't even fucking pretend to be on my side.

Go post some music and shut up, REX.

Yea, REX!

What a minute, who is Rex?

RCADE... Whats the matter with you? Whenever I call for an air-strike, you are out taking a whizz. By the time you get to action stations, Rex has danced all over the place!

I can see Rex right here. Bastard is standing two feet away from my nose! And he is going to play his shitty music anytime, no doubt. Do something!

No, it quite explicitly means chronic masturbator, "Tosser".

It also means irritating asshole.

There is more than one meaning to a word.... As you know, we don't speak your limited American-english.... our vocabulary is a bit more diverse.

Can you describe the ruckus?

What "ruckus", Rex?

Here is a look at life in the great Pakistan where tosser is from...

Looks like Pajama people living like shit to me...

www.monstersandcritics.com

Oh, like this?

If the women in your town are afraid to raise their voices for fear of being beaten by a shoe.... You're probably living in an islamic culture....

And if the women of our town are elected to Parliament, that too is "Islamic culture"? LOL

And listen... this beating by a shoe... We are not discussing your family life.

We are talking about if there is such a thing called "Islamic culture" and Christian Culture.

Anyone with common sense would tell you, cultures are based on nationality... not religion. UNLESS the religion is unique to that country.

Look it up, stupido... LOL. IF you can read a book.