Funny how easily FoxNews people change their tune.

Just a few months ago Laura Ingram was calling the proposed community center a good idea. Now, NO!

They were for it before they were against it.

The only good Muslin is.... one who buys gold!" - GB

FoxNews is cartoons for adults.

Nothing like contradicting themselves with their own words.

C'mon. I wanna hear the rightwingers reconcile their current denunuciations of this guy with previous rightwing praise for this very same guy.
It is such transparent hypocritical political bullshit from the American rightwing. "We loved him before we hated him".

It is such transparent hypocritical political bullshit from the American rightwing. "We loved him before we hated him".

#5 | Posted by moder8

Add Glenn Beck and Laura Ingram to the list.

Just weeks ago, Ingram was calling the proposed community center 'a good idea'. Now? Guess ....

2006 Beck called the Imam a 'good Muslim' on the video above.

Say it isn't so, Glen. Say it isn't so.

C'mon. I wanna hear the rightwingers reconcile their current denunuciations of this guy with previous rightwing praise for this very same guy.
It is such transparent hypocritical political bullshit from the American rightwing. "We loved him before we hated him".

#5 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2010-08-23 04:40 PM | REPLY | FLAG

He changed his mind after acquiring more information. Kinda like all the dems who agreed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before the war. Kinda like all the independents have regarding Obama after his election. Maybe something like that...

ahhhhh, the usual liberal gazelles gathering at the kool-aid watering hole keeping a careful eye out for the conservative crocodile.

He changed his mind after acquiring more information.

And that information was......

other than....."hate him because he is a muslim".

Guess Glenn never saw this.

#9 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Some 2nd rate blogger on a right wing website? Beck has enough of his own bullshit to spread.

No worries!

I'm sure the rightards will be along to yell down both Beck and Ingram with the chant 'FLIP FLOPPER'.

....any moment now.....

No worries!

I'm sure the rightards will be along to yell down both Beck and Ingram with the chant 'FLIP FLOPPER'.

....any moment now.....

#12 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Neither one of us can hold our breath long enough for that to pan out LOL

And that information was......
other than....."hate him because he is a muslim".

#10 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2010-08-23 05:09 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Wow, how perceptive you are. Does your brain hurt after coming up with that?

prediction:

1. Community Center Gets Built.

2. Repubs Go Batshit Crazy.

3. Weeks Later, nobody cares, because FUX News drops the fake indignation.

4. Months Later, Glen Beck listener kills at least 10 non-muslims when they try to blow-up said Community Center.

5. Repubs pretend their hate rhetoric had NOTHING to do with it.

Here's Laura Ingraham sitting in for Bill O'Reilly 12-21-09 interviewing the wife of Imam Rauf. Hmm. She said she 'likes what they're trying to do', that no one really seems to have a problem with it - citing Bloomberg, rabbis, etc.

#15 i don't think anyone really gives a shit about it anyway. opposition, btw, does not follow party lines - see, e.g., Dean/Reid.

Opposition on this issue really doesn't follow any party lines. A few friends from out of town came down this weekend for a visit. They are so liberal, I look like Reagan. Anyway, one opposes the Mosque and one supports it. I was shocked to be honest. I just assumed they both had no issues, but the one got really upset at us for not being upset about it.

If FauxNews hadn't manufactured a controversy out of this it wouldn't be an issue.

Hell, as the video above and Ingraham's comments in the linked video make clear, neither did they until they didn't have HCR or some other bullshit to rant and rave about.

I just assumed they both had no issues, but the one got really upset at us for not being upset about it.

And rightly so...

God forbid we should have Muslim bridge builders, eh BEACHBUZZ?

This phony 'controversy' is playing right into Al Qaeda's hands.

It is as pathetic as the Dubai port issue.

"We can't have an Arab country in control of our ports....oh, they are already in charge of 26 of them and not one has had an incident? Well...um...but they're Arabs!"

I was shocked to be honest. I just assumed they both had no issues, but the one got really upset at us for not being upset about it.

#18 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2010-08-23 05:23 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I get the same shit with my conservative friends. I can't understand how any conservative could think of using governmental power to stop these guys from building, assuming they've complied with the zoning ordinances. Others think as I do. It'll blow over.

If FauxNews hadn't manufactured a controversy out of this it wouldn't be an issue.

Not according to Dirty Harry Reid, Howeird Dean, Kanrei's liberal friend and 70% of the population.

But those are facts and libs hate it when facts get in the way of bashing FOX and demonizing conservatives.

I would be an issue. Fox changed their position because of it. They expected the Tea Party and Republicans to go all "First Amendment" on this, but they Nationalism instead. Fox had to adjust.

I think post #25 is my worst use of the English language here to date. I typed it and can barely make out what I was trying to say.

#26 was your second worst, because you make no attempt to define what you meant in #25. I'm sure #28 will be better.

But those are facts and libs hate it when facts get in the way of bashing FOX and demonizing conservatives.

#24 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2010-08-23 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yet you hate the FACT that Glen 'Back Fat' Beck and Loser Ingram are FLIP FLOPPERS.

This is a crock of BS as Glenn showed the clip on his program today. The left will do and say anything to smear someone! If you believe any liberal blog you will believe anything! Even Obama!

Yet you hate the FACT that Glen 'Back Fat' Beck and Loser Ingram are FLIP FLOPPERS.

I don't really give a shit about a person changing their mind. I'm pretty sure the MOSQUE wasn't planned in 2006.

Hell, John Kerry changed his mind as often as he changed his underwear.

"Beck appeared to call Imam Rauf a "good Muslim"

Yeah Right....

Beck Never called Rauf a "good Muslim", only in the deranged view of the dolts at Media Matters could Beck "appear" to apporove of Rauf.

After watching the video, which proves absolutely nothing, it's clearly understandable why the word "appeared" was dropped from the title of this post...

#31 2008ATL is right. Beck never praised him and in fact had a concerned look on his face when the imam was talking about the west's role. Rauf is a terrorist supporter at the very least. No doubt about it.

I like how you people like to jerk each other off. The video shows that all Beck says is that most Muslims are not terrorists. If he had said differently, you same bunch would be all over him for that.

Believe it or not, being on a talk show does not give you a special viewport into the soul of the other guests. In this case, someone Beck didn't know. And if you watched Beck today, he played the video on his show to prove what a bunch of ignorant ass-wipes are out there with fake stories.

The only terrorist I see here is Glenn Beck, openly calling for murder on national TV. Of course, he's advocating killing a Muslim, so that's OK in America noweadays.

Glenn Beck, who has denounced Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf as a radical building a "Allah-tells-me-to-blow-up- America mosque" in Manhattan, praised him as a moderate Muslim when they appeared together on Good Morning America in 2006.

People change when they achieve their goals.

Obama is a one-term President. He said after he was elected that he'd rather be a one-term President.

Glenn Beck saying something four years ago? A big So, What?

Yet you hate the FACT that Glen 'Back Fat' Beck and Loser Ingram are FLIP FLOPPERS.

#28 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-08-23 05:51 PM |

On the other hand, we laugh at idiots like you who make asses out of themselves when they comment on a thread started by AU. Media Matters? BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

The video shows nothing surprising or contradictory about Beck. Same old windbag.

Rauf is a terrorist supporter at the very least. No doubt about it.

It's truly sad that you and people like you are allowed to vote.

I don't like to get involved in any are-not-is-too about building a monument to any big daddy in the sky. But I still think that if anyone opposes this little mosque (mosquito?) because it's Islamics rubbing non-Islamic noses into 9/11, then Mormons should not be allowed to build another California temple, as that rubs California noses into their Proposition H8. herm

Obama is a one-term President. He said after he was elected that he'd rather be a one-term President.
#35 | Posted by Eddie

"He said after he was elected that he'd rather be a one-term President...."

Where's the rest, Eddie?

As usual, Haskell's longterm memory bank's empty. Here's what Obama actually said:

"I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president. There's a tendency in Washington to think that our job description, of elected officials, is to get reelected. That's not our job description. Our job description is to solve problems and to help people."

Media Matters? BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

#36 | Posted by crispee_oc

Hates an organization who checks the veracity of 'news' reports, especially when they expose Beck as a hypocritical shill.

'But those are facts and libs hate it when facts get in the way of bashing FOX and demonizing conservatives.'

#24 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Almost a good example of Reactionary Amnesia buzzkill.

All your so-called FACTS are deflections of the REAL info here.

What is happening now on the Mosque issue is Conservatives playing the populist message. They will not let FACTS get in the way of a good anger and neither will Beck!

You conservatives think you are SO CLEVER but you are not. This is the typical reaction when logic backs you into a corner. Deflect and start talking about someone else. Not very good debate skills there AT ALL.

THE TOPIC HERE IS GLENN BECK and his rampant hypocrisy just in case you could not figure it out. Which you have managed to avoid addressing directly in three posts so far.

"The left will do and say anything to smear someone!"

#29 | Posted by rwebst

GOLDLINE!

Excuse the hell out of me for happening to notice that Glenn Beck DID say Imam Rauf was a moderate. Nobody needs to work hard at smearing Glenn Beck. He does a good enough job of THAT all by himself!

GOLDLINE! GOLDLINE!!

Do YOU trust Glenn Beck and what he says? Flip follow Flop the money.

'Rauf is a terrorist supporter at the very least. No doubt about it.'

#32 | Posted by lordjosh

Actually there IS much doubt involved or you would not be mentioning it.

The mosque controversy is SO typical of Reactionaries. They get a dribble of info and they JERK THE KNEE! Why be calm and wait for facts? That would give the opposition too much of an advantage.

Better to seed lies as quickly as possible and get people on your side!

Ya'll wanted to know WHO was responsible for this mosque so you could condemn him. Then after a bit of time passed you started to get the facts that this Imam is one of the moderates.

Now what can you do after your spewed all that hyperbole about the issue? You have dug into your position and can't turn back to the truth of the matter.

Is there NO ONE on the right who can stand up to the lies and the anger and do what is right?

Love when people go berserk over Media Matters. One thing they're unable to do, so far as I've seen, is refudiate what MM has said.

They problem isn't what was said. It's that they didn't like what was said.

then Mormons should not be allowed to build another California temple, as that rubs California noses into their Proposition H8. herm

#38 | Posted by herm at 2010-08-23 06:43 PM

Yeah, them mean old mormons. They probably pay more taxes than you Herm. I for one would love to see more of their kind and less of your kind as far as the future of California goes. They could never screw this state up more than you and your liberal buddies in Sacto. BTW, I guess that ban applies to blacks and hispanics building more Catholic churches in Cali as well. Seeing as something like 70% of blacks and 53% of hispanics ALSO supported prop 8.

Love when people go berserk over Media Matters. One thing they're unable to do, so far as I've seen, is refudiate what MM has said.

They problem isn't what was said. It's that they didn't like what was said.

#42 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Bingo

Wow, how perceptive you are. Does your brain hurt after coming up with that?

#14 | POSTED BY SOMOCO AT 2010-08-23 05:13 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Wow, can't answer the question so attack the questioner.

SOP for idiots.

#42 Spot on.

I saw the entire clip of 2006 which you have used. Beck did NOT indicate that Abdul Rauf was a moderate Muslim. He only said that most Muslims were not RADICALS and did not include Abdul as one of them.

Arapajo

#42 Spot on.

#46 | Posted by 726

Wrong. Media Matters got it wrong. You can't do that. LOL!!!

Media Matters got it wrong.
#48 | Posted by Eddie

Sorry, Haskell, but you're bumping through life with badly impaired judgment. We'll need a little more --- check that, a lot more --- than just your say-so.

Chapter and verse, Haskell, chapter and verse.

"Rauf is a terrorist supporter at the very least. No doubt about it."

Plenty of doubt about it:

"Chapter and verse, Haskell, chapter and verse."

In a language they should understand: Ditto, Doc. Ditto.

Will this mosque story just go away? There are a lot more serious things we could be discussing, such as spending and taxing.

I am shocked that the President and Democrats are even getting involved. Let the Republicans go nuts with this and stay out of it if its that much of a political poison. When your enemy is self destructing...get out of the way!

"Love when people go berserk over Media Matters. One thing they're unable to do, so far as I've seen, is refudiate what MM has said."

Beck may have thrown couple polite gestures at the guy, but Sawyer twice indicated it was a group of people which Beck said sure... Was Sawyer expecting Beck to say otherwise?

How exactly does this prove MM claim Beck "appeared" to call him a good muslim? Talk about skewing the headline. Was "good muslim" even mentioned in the video?

If anything the Imam was glaring at Beck and seething when he spoke. He did make sure and claim the radical christians were just as culpable and equally as dangerous as the radical islamists though.

Who are the folks fanning the flames over the NYC Islamic Community Center with the website (and similar URL's) "http://
www.stopthe911mosque.com"? Here's who owns it when you go to WhoIs:

"The Center For Security Policy" - a Lobbyist Firm in Washington DC.

The President is Frank Gaffney, King of the Birthers

Among others they represent:

Liz Cheney, Bill Kristol, FOX News, The Project for a New American Century (who brought you the Iraq war-for-profit debacle).

Fanning the flames of racial and religious intolerance is their MO

#50 | Posted by Hans

The riighties have a major league problem with facts. They get fed so many unchecked, unverified factoids in the news cycle that when those factoids are exposed as b.s. they don't seem to care that they just performed yeoman duties in service of a lie.

The Big Lie works and it works well a lot. That I understand. What I don't understand is their lack of interest in the revelation that they've been played.

Nevertheless, a few people have to stick around and echo Daniel Moynihan's bon mot:

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

"Frank Gaffney"

LOL!

Media Matters? BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
#36 | Posted by crispee_oc

Hates an organization who checks the veracity of 'news' reports, especially when they expose Beck as a hypocritical shill.

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-08-23 06:50 PM

The veracity of "news" reports? BWHAAAA!!! How many times have they had their (and yours) feet shoved in their mouths? Do you get emailed when they break veracious stories like this?

Seeing as you were the fucking clown which started this thread, where in the video does it say, imply, point out, confirm Beck praised the Imam?

As for the last of pathetic attempt to say I am upset over Beck... You keep forgetting I never watch Beck. But I always love it when losers like you take the time to write something about someone you hate, yet in reality, you fucking watch the guy and then use something he does as an insult to me? You can't make this shit up. No really...

DOC

It doesn't take much digging to find out who's behind this ridiculous 'StopThe911Mosque' (that isn't a 'mosque') bullshit.

Spreading racial discord is all the GOP have left.

Fanning the flames of racial and religious intolerance is their MO

#55 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-08-23 07:22 PM |

Unlike the dems using gays and minorities as pawns?

"How many times have they had their (and yours) feet shoved in their mouths?"

Please provide links giving accurate details.

AU -

They'll argue about the use of the term "race," but they're definitely into ethno-hatred and hate in so many other forms. It's because their world is changing, more than they ever imagined possible, and they're scared to death. When you get economics, fear, and ignorance tossed into one bowl it makes for a potent mix.

"How many times have they had their (and yours) feet shoved in their mouths?"

Please provide links giving accurate details.

Posted by Hans at 2010-08-23 07:35 PM | Reply

Foot fetish? Would you like a video too?

"Unlike the dems using gays and minorities as pawns?"

Isn't necessary.

When a group is demonized they generally avoid the demonizers and naturally gravitate towards those who don't.

Do you get emailed when they break veracious stories like this?
#58 | Posted by crispee_oc

You might want to look up the meaning of the word "veracious."

Because the way you're using the word, it blows your entire argument apart.

You might want to look up the meaning of the word "veracious."

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-08-23 07:38 PM | Reply

Might've picked that up on the latest installment of "Thesaurusi Gone Wild"

"Because the way you're using the word, it blows your entire argument apart."

Brilliant, Doc. And very truthful, honest and accurate.

Rauf is no terrorist.
#50 | Posted by Hans

Is the same as him saying he's a moderate?

I think we might be splitting hairs.

However, Rauf is closer to being a loud mouth radical like Ward Churchill than taking action and killing people as a terrorist would.

"Thesaurusi Gone Wild"

Tadowe's back?
Puling calumny!

"Might've picked that up on the latest installment of "Thesaurusi Gone Wild""

The half of knowledge is knowing where to find it.

Spreading racial discord is all the GOP have left.

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Wrong.

More like the final nail in the Democrat coffin for this November.

Who'da thunk that Pelosi and Obama would fall right into the trap. All they had to do was to keep their mouths shut.

Doc, Hans,

You guys win.

What did you win?

"Spreading racial discord is all the GOP have left."

Apparently so, AU.

"You guys win."

Of course we do.

Rauf is no terrorist.
#50 | Posted by Hans

Is the same as him saying he's a moderate?
#68 | Posted by Eddie

Obviously Hans can deal with this willful stupidity on your part, Eddie.

All I have to say is, "That accident -- y'know, the one where you took that really bad knock on yer noggin? -- tell me, Haskell, did it happen while you were a child or is it more recent?"

#65 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-08-23 07:38 PM

Noted and humbled.

Crispee - Not meant to humble. I've done it, plenty of times. Still do. So, next time I do, Crispee, be gentle!

#75 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Again, what did you win?

What is your argument?

So, Glenn Beck liked the guy before he didn't like him?

"You guys win."

Of course we do.

#74 | Posted by Hans

But it appears that you won a bickering match.

What are you trying to prove?

#77...

You aren't the only one who has inducted me in the hall of shame here Doc, I have no problem being corrected.

BTW... That was more gentle than I expected if I do say, almost didn't feel a thing.

They'll argue about the use of the term "race," but they're definitely into ethno-hatred and hate in so many other forms

Wow Doc, you know us so well.

Ethno-hatred?

Now that is rich. Did Olberfuck coin that phrase for you?

"What did you win?"

A trip for two to Fhloston Paradise!!

The only thing that you guys have managed to prove is that you hate Glenn Beck more than Glenn Beck hates Imam Rauf.

A trip for two to Fhloston Paradise!!

www.youtube.com

#82 | Posted by Zatoichi

Complete with 72 virgins?

The only thing that you guys have managed to prove is that...
#83 | Posted by Eddie

...you're an idiot.

But, then, we had a whole lot of help from you. Thanks (again), Haskell.

Even a blind pig finds an acorn from time to time.

Complete with 72 virgins?
#84 | Posted by Eddie

Yeah, Haskell, you and 71 others.

"Complete with 72 virgins?"

At Fhloston Paradise?
You're kidding, right?

#85 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I'm an idiot because you sat there and bickered with someone until they backed down.

What were you trying to prove other than splitting hairs on what words were used?

God damn stupidest argument all day and today was really slow!

The 5th element was an excellent film, ZAT.

I'm an idiot because...
#89 | Posted by Eddie

...because you're an idiot.

Simple enough for you?

"Anybody else want to negotiate?"

Mila's fight scene alone was worth the price of admission.

Hates an organization who checks the veracity of 'news' reports, especially when they expose Beck as a hypocritical shill.

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Is this the argument?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

Beck is the only one who found out that this guy is not really a moderate? Id Rauf is a moderate then he proves that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim.

Your tolerant of Muslims when you have no idea about them, and then you're not tolarant of all religions in the US (remember Mormons?)

Make up you minds!

"Anybody else want to negotiate?"

Mila's fight scene alone was worth the price of admission.

#92 | Posted by Zatoichi

I watch this movie at least once a year.

See, Haskell, here's yet another example pulled from the great big bag labeled "Eddie's Idiotic Statements" --

"bickered with someone until they backed down. What were you trying to prove other than splitting hairs on what words were used?"

A. It didn't concern you.
B. It wasn't bickering.
C. The poster attacked the veracity of MM.
D. Describing its post as "veracious," i.e. accurate.
E. I told him he might want to check that out because...
F. It ran counter to what he was saying.
G. He replied graciously, as did I.

Then you jump in and, as usual, make a hash of it.

And here's some hot-off-the-ticker news for you, Eddie: words have meaning. I know you like to bend them and, when caught, try to leap on your unicycle and backpedal around, blaming people for noting that you've just made an ass of yourself. But just as words have meaning, actions have consequences. Yours, of course, are sheer, hilarious diaster.

It's entirely up to you, but you really ought to try and stick to taking care of your own problems here on the DR. They are legion; your weaknesses of maturity, intelligence, and character manifest to anyone who cares enough or is sufficiently bored to read your yammering.

In fact, I don't think there's anything you're incapable of bollixing up. In this, your life mirrors your work history.

doc is afraid. Simple enough?

And here's some hot-off-the-ticker news for you, Eddie: words have meaning.
#95 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Especially when you can use them as a 30 post deflection.

One long 30-post bickering match to move the goal posts just so, that your opponent leaves.

#94 | Posted by Eddie

What a hoot! Fairly good example of Eddie's submissive, leg humping behavior when he's been nailed to the wall. He'll always pick one of his "attackers" (as he sees them) and try to suck up. Where I went to school there was a Mexican word for that kind of low life: a Mamón.

Eddie whining about moving goalposts?
Priceless!

Simple enough?
#96 | Posted by Eddie

Oh, you're simple enough, Eddie.
You're so simple you're a simpleton.

That's enough. Gotta let lil' Eddie rest up for his next bout as reality's punching bag. Hasta luego, pinche mamón!

"If FauxNews hadn't manufactured a controversy out of this it wouldn't be an issue."

"Among others they represent: Liz Cheney, Bill Kristol, FOX News, The Project for a New American Century (who brought you the Iraq war-for-profit debacle)."

"It doesn't take much digging to find out who's behind this ridiculous 'StopThe911Mosque' (that isn't a 'mosque') bullshit. Spreading racial discord is all the GOP have left."

Who would have thought these people were all Fox watching, racist, bigotted republicans manufactoring a controversy.

'OF MEMORIALS AND MOSQUES'

9/11 Parents & Families of Firefighters & WTC Victims Press Release
August 7th, 2010 8/1/10

9/11 Family Group Commends Anti-Defamation League In Opposing Islamic Community Center Near Ground Zero

#94 | Posted by Eddie
He'll always pick one of his "attackers" (as he sees them) and try to suck up. #98 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I'm really getting to you?

You shouldn't take it so seriously, Doc. Calm down.

This is getting creepy again.

"I watch this movie at least once a year."

Posted by Eddie at 2010-08-23 08:25 PM | Reply

On purpose?

Eddie whining about moving goalposts?
Priceless!

#99 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Doc, geez! I'm picking on you! You do the same to me every day. Today is really slow and I'm bored.

On purpose?
#104 | Posted by Zatoichi

I can't help it. It's so campy... I start watching it and before you know it, I've watched the whole thing.

I love the Fifth Element up until Gary Oldmen dies. When they get back to Earth, I turn it off.

Gotcha, Eddie, crawling back out of your wee hole!
"Today is really slow and I'm bored."
I'll bet you hear that a lot.

Even a blind pig finds an acorn from time to time.

#86 | POSTED BY BLUESPRINGSMO

doc is afraid. Simple enough?

#96 | POSTED BY EDDIE

I couldn't decide which one of these made me smile more.

"I'm really getting to you?"

Says the pinioned insect to the lepidopterist.

What did you win?

#72 | Posted by Eddie

WE won the election.

WE won more time to clean up this mess.

The Imam made a very good point that the folks behind this NOT-ISSUE (Evangelical extremists) are trying to bring about the second coming and the rapture and the end of the world.

and Islamic extremists are the flip side to this coin. And you are being played as a pawn in this deadly game.

Armageddon is not a good foreign policy.

The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir. [Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark]

"It's so campy"

I just watch it for two scenes when I stumble across it on cable.

Blade Runner.

Movie ...

Harrison Forn and Bruce Willis in a 4-way with Sean Young and Mila Jovovitch.

Sort of like Being John Malkovich, only better.

"with Sean Young and Mila Jovovitch."

There you have it. Although Young is a little too alieny.

The only movie I've seen in recent memory that had me wanting to see it again is Apocalypto. Three times in theater and I lost count at home, but not ten.

I'm more into film as a body of work by an artist like Willis, but watching Mila's fight scene is a 'body' unto itself. Dayum.

What was it about Apocalypto that grabbed you? (I liked it, immensely, until the end -- historical inaccuracies and all, it was a film that at least worked to present a period and culture that hadn't really be worked by Hollywood.)

The Imam made a very good point that the folks behind this NOT-ISSUE (Evangelical extremists) are trying to bring about the second coming and the rapture and the end of the world.

He made sure to mention that twice in the video and again recently. Are you really in agreement with the Imam that both are equally on par? Can you possibly show anything equal to extreme Mosques and Madrossas here in Christian churches and schools? Any recent christians strapping bombs on kids? How about chritians taking over a nation and destroying thousand year old religious artifacts? Got anything to compare Sharia law that is practiced in the west?

Spreading racial discord is all the GOP have left.

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Including Dean and Reid in that comment??

Do you have a link about Laura's so called comment??

And on this video--where is Beck praising the Rauf guy?

Beck is talking about the radical islamists and crushing them.

Rauf talks out of both sides of his mouth.

"Apocalypto."

I've heard that this was Gibson's second ode to sadomasochism.

Including Dean and Reid in that comment??

They didn't start this phony controversy.

Do you have a link about Laura's so called comment??

It's posted right on this thread

#55 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-08-23 07:22 PM |

Unlike the dems using gays and minorities as pawns?

#60 | Posted by crispee_oc

What are you talking about? Post video of Dems gay or minority bashing.

"I've heard that this was Gibson's second ode to sadomasochism."

Good point.

"historical inaccuracies"

Not really.
Certainly all the depicted events did not occur simultaneously.

Mel Gibson and company compressed half a millennium of Maya history into one "adventure in the life" of one guy.

Travel well.

It's Media Matters by AMERICANUNITY. a combination with the intellectual fire power of Cheech & Chong.

SAWYER: Understand about the inflamed feelings of the Muslim community?

IMAM RAUF: Well, the Muslim world has felt for a long time besieged by the west, western faith culture, Western traditions, Western atheism from the Soviet Union. And what we see over the last 30, 40 years is a reaction

IMAM RAUF: from the action which began and peaked in the first part of the 20th century against religion in general and Islam as well as other traditions.

SAWYER: Do you feel these are overreactions or appropriate reactions to these two events?

IMAM RAUF: I feel they are wrong reactions. These reactions are not at all called for by Islamic teachings. The teachings of Islam are very similar to the teachings of Christianity, of loving the one God and loving thy neighbor. These are the two carbon principles.

SAWYER: All right. Let me turn to Glenn Beck because the Imam Rauf has said this is a group of people. This is not him.

GLENN: Sure.

SAWYER: This is not about all of Islam. This is just a group of people.

GLENN: Sure. I believe it's a small portion of Islam that is

No doubt about it, Beck supports Imam Rauf with full throated support, not. Next

Gotcha, Eddie, crawling back out of your wee hole!
"Today is really slow and I'm bored."
I'll bet you hear that a lot.

#108 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Got me, what?

I started this with:

"You win! What did you win? "

Did you forget that?

And you call me simple? LOL.

You really missed it? LOL!!!

"I've heard that this was Gibson's second ode to sadomasochism."

Posted by Hans at 2010-08-23 08:57 PM | Reply

The first one was a snuff film.
The second one wasn't.

I never had the slightest urge to see the first one, since it's fantasy.

If I watch fantasy I watch Inglourious Basterds.

Of course Johnny Depp's homage to my namesake in Once Upon A Time in Mexico is cool.

WE won the election.

WE won more time to clean up this mess.

#111 | Posted by donnerboy

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Are you for real?

You are all blind. There is enough in this video that tells me Imam Rauf is at the very least a muslim extremist sympathizer. Why would anyone discussing the neccessity of muslim people to openly denounce the so-called hijacking of their religion by extemist, immediately start talking about so-called problems with christians and the west. Smells like jihad.

No doubt about it, Beck supports Imam Rauf with full throated support, not. Next

#123 | Posted by paneocon at 2010-08-23 09:07 PM |

I believe the headline says "praised" not supported.

"There is enough in this video that tells me Imam Rauf is at the very least a muslim extremist sympathizer."

The Imam made a very good point that the folks behind this NOT-ISSUE (Evangelical extremists) are trying to bring about the second coming and the rapture and the end of the world.
#111 | Posted by donnerboy

Oops!

Including Dean and Reid in that comment??

They didn't start this phony controversy.

AU--are you including them in this issue?

What do Ward Churchill and Imam Rauf have in common?

Beck attacks Rauf for saying he "wouldn't say" the U.S. "deserved what happened," but "the United States' policies were an accessory" to 9-11. During his attack on Rauf, Beck said:

He (Rauf) also said, quote, "I wouldn't say the United States deserved what happened on 9-11, but the United States' policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."

Beck: When people said they hate us, well, did we deserve 9-11? No. But were we minding our business? No. Were we in bed with dictators and abandoned our values and principles? Yes. That causes problems. [Glenn Beck, 4/15/10]

AU--are you including them in this issue?

#131 | Posted by MURPHY

No, you brought up Reid and Dean - neither of whom started this phony 'controversy'.

#129 | Posted by Hans

Since Doc is skating the question, maybe you can answer.

What's your point? Seriously. Your point got lost in the thread somewhere.

HANS, what did he say at Daniel Pearl's funeral?

American Unity,

When are you going to point out where Beck "praised" the Imam? Paneocon posted the transcripts in post #123 and you have the video linked. Seeing as you wrote the headline, don't you think you should be able to back it up?

"America is than al-Qaeda"

Word salad.

AU--

You posted this--

Spreading racial discord is all the GOP have left.

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

And I am asking---Are YOU

Including Dean and Reid in that comment??

"Word salad."

It's the dressing that matters.

"HANS, what did he say at Daniel Pearl's funeral?"

We are here to assert the Islamic conviction of the moral equivalency of our Abrahamic faiths. If to be a Jew means to say with all one's heart, mind and soul Shma` Yisrael, Adonai Elohenu Adonai Ahad; hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One, not only today I am a Jew, I have always been one, Mr. Pearl.

If to be a Christian is to love the Lord our God with all of my heart, mind and soul, and to love for my fellow human being what I love for myself, then not only am I a Christian, but I have always been one Mr. Pearl.

And I am here to inform you, with the full authority of the Quranic texts and the practice of the Prophet Muhammad, that to say La ilaha illallah Muhammadun rasulullah is no different.

It expresses the same theological and ethical principles and values.

It's the dressing that matters.

Fax Ranch spool likely on green to very roundabout snowglobes if rubber mesenteric quasispecies become on smokestack the three leaf!

Thanks Hans. Do you have a link? I would like to read the rest.

"Thanks Hans. Do you have a link? I would like to read the rest."

#142 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-08-23 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can I just have the Cobb Salad with Roquefort?

LORDJOSH

Here's the full transcript of his eulogy at Daniel Pearl's funeral:

Message delivered by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf
Daniel Pearl Memorial
February 23, 2003
B'nai Jeshurun,
257 West 88th Street, NYC

It's Han's 2nd link. Sorry to have reposted it ...

Can I just have the Cobb Salad with Roquefort?

Why binge up the down wire while the coupling constant is still salty?

"Hans, What's your point? "

Word salad.

#138 | Posted by Hans

Sigh...

I thought as much.

At least you pick your battles.

Hydrocephalic head-bashers like Special Eddie would be better off using their free, unemployed time learning Mandarin or perhaps Brazilian Portuguese than worrying about Glenn Beck's latest jingoistic soap-opera.

How can anyone think Rauf is anything but a Godly man?

From his message at Daniel Pearl's funeral:

Our conversations must continue where many end. Some of us may be suspicious of the religious voices and believe that these voices ought to be kept out of public discussion and policy. Others may fear that entering into constructive dialogue and common ground with the "other side" must be wrong, sinful or at best useless and naïve. We disagree.

We are here both as individuals and as representatives of our religious traditions. We must take advantage of this unusual breadth, a breadth not only of religion and geographical views of each other, but also of social vantage points. We have experienced the reality that there is a multiplicity of religious voices in the world, and have come to affirm, importantly, that common religious, moral and policy grounds can be found in an exchange among these voices.

Where once many of us may not have cared to speak, much less listened, to others, now we must. We shall find ourselves with good people, of deep faith, and we shall locate many important, shared values: justice, compassion, service, faithfulness, and love. Though many of us may have come skeptically, we have all come seeking to leave with hope and expectation of Your guidance, O Lord, and with a determination to encourage others to embark on this kind of fruitful exploration. For ourselves, and in different ways, we want to continue to convey the message not only among us, but also in the communities and arenas of service to which we shall be returning, that we are all created imago Dei, in the image of God.

We pray that you admit the soul of Daniel Pearl into Your acceptance.

We intercede with You that You place us on the path of righteousness and direct us towards actions done in fulfillment of the commandment taught by Your Great Prophets and Messengers Moses, the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, and Muhammad, which is to love our fellow humans as we love ourselves. Help us O Lord, in courage and commitment, in reducing ethnic and religious hatred, strife and violence, to build the kingdom of heaven on earth.

ZARATHUSTRA

I was just looking at your EncyclopediaDramatic.com entry for Drudge Retort and having yet another good laugh.

That's brilliant stuff!

Thanks again guys. A beautiful speech. Rather general and all encompassing. Appropriate for such a highly publicized funeral.

He does make a couple of interesting statements.

"O Lord! Today we have come to pray for the soul of Daniel Pearl, who lost his life in the name of religious difference."

Religious difference? Daniel Pearl died because some people decided it would be prudent to decapitate an American journalist. If Mr. Rauf is the same as a priest or rabbi, if they were there to embrace the simularities in the three religions of Abraham, than why give credence to the extremist by attributing their deeds to religious differences?

Religious difference? Daniel Pearl died because some people decided it would be prudent to decapitate an American journalist.

They were radicals who invoked the name of Allah (God) as they cut his head off on video tape.

The right wing are trying to paint Rauf as some kind of radical when, in fact, he's spent his life trying to build bridges between differing religions - pointing out the similarities in the messages of peace, love, and humanity we should put into practice towards others if any of us are serious about our religious and spiritual beliefs.

"They were radicals who invoked the name of Allah (God) as they cut his head off on video tape."

#154 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

But if they are a small minority of radicals who do not represent Islam, than Daniel's life was not lost due to religious differences.

Not according to the radicals who cut his head off.

LordJosh-
You and Beck and Palin and Limbaugh suggest that American Muslims were responsible for 9/11.

"Not according to the radicals who cut his head off."

#157 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

But was it to Imam Rauf?

Betleg, put the bottle down and go to bed.

Ron Paul's on CNN speaking out against the 'sideshow' (his words).

"MOQSUE BATTLE MAVERICK"
Ron Paul breaks with GOP and son, Rand

Good on you, Rep. Paul

MOQSUE = MOSQUE (which isn't a mosque)

And Rep. Paul is correct. It is NY's problem. It is the insistence that the mosque be built which is causing the reaction.

JOSH

I tend to read and take what people say literally.

Even George W Bush made a speech after 9/11 calling for tolerance of all religions and differentiated radicals from the 99.99% of Muslims who live peaceably and abhor what radicals do in Islam's name.

It is the insistence that the mosque be built which is causing the reaction.

It's a small group of intolerant idiots protesting what's proposed to be built on private property causing all this bullshit.

"intolerant idiots protesting what's proposed to be built on private property"

I am sure I will be reminding you of this statement in a future arguement.

"...differentiated radicals from the 99.99% of Muslims"

Thats my point. Did Imam Rauf differentiate between the radicals and Islam when making that statement?

I happen to believe in the rights of property owners to do what they will with their property within the law.

Did Imam Rauf differentiate between the radicals and Islam when making that statement?

Doesn't appear you read his comments at Pearl's funeral that were linked twice.

I thought it was what we've been discussing for the last hour or so.

That statement seems to lend credibility to those who murdered Daniel. I read nothing condemning the act. I am not saying that he should have per se, but for attributing Pearl's death to religious differences.

JOSH

That entire funeral message was a call for tolerance and peace. He called for "...building alliances against the rising tide of fanaticism, dehumanization and xenophobia."

If the guys who cut Pearl's head off weren't 'fanatics' who dehumanized Pearl and practiced xenophobia, what were they?

Any talk about Rauf being anything but a preacher of peace is rubbish.

Even Bush sent him as a U.S. emissary all throughout his Presidency.

I'd suggest you read or reread his comments at the Synagogue ...

Rauf's book suggests that the "American Constitution and system of governance uphold the core principles of Islamic law" (i.e., sharia). The author concludes, therefore, that the "American political structure is sharia-compliant." In December 2007 Rauf promoted What's Right with Islam at a Malaysia gathering of Hizb ut Tahrir, which seeks to impose sharia on the United States and other countries worldwide.

In July 2010, journalist Andrew McCarthy revealed that What's Right with Islam was originally published in Malaysia under a different title: A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11. What's Right with Islam was a "special, non-commercial edition" of the book and was produced after the original, with Feisal's cooperation, by the Islamic Society of North America and the International Institute of Islamic Thought. Both of those organizations are American tentacles of the Muslim Brotherhood.

You call that a credible link?

Ain't the Lucky Strikes talkin' ....

In a 2009 piece he penned for the Huffington Post, Rauf stated: "The Prophet Muhammad has been known as the first feminist. … Gender equality is an intrinsic part of Islamic belief." In response to suggestions that Islam could benefit from a movement to purge the faith of its unsavory elements, Rauf has said flatly: "Islam does not need a reformation."

You call that a credible link?

Yes.

There's nothing in that link that is not factual.

Questioning the "credibility" of a link is kind of a universal, chickenshit cop-out.

Don't you think?

Especially when the excerpts in the link are direct quotes of published sources....

Ain't the Lucky Strikes talkin'

It's all e-cigarettes now, Swish.

But they do have a Lucky Strike e-liquid.

Greatest invention in 40 years.

Too bad you don't drink fake beer. Real beer brings out the asshole/juvenile in you.

Questioning the "credibility" of a link is kind of a universal, chickenshit cop-out.

Unless, of course, the link is a steaming heap of bullshit posted by a moronic fucking stillbirth with a penchant for lying.

Nothing asshole/juvenile about kicking some drone-like sycophant around and laughing at him.

You bring it on yourself.

Have some fucking pride and quit attempting to defend the indefensible.

Questioning the "credibility" of a link is kind of a universal, chickenshit cop-out.

Don't you think?

#177 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Calling people you don't know jack shit about 'shitstain', dumbfuck, swish, etc - as you do nightly - is a universal, juvenile "I can't make a point so I"ll act out" sad excuse for a grown man.

Unless, of course, the link is a steaming heap of bullshit posted by a moronic fucking stillbirth with a penchant for lying.

Yeah.

But this link was a consisted of sexcerpts that were merely direct quotes of published sources....

*pats head*

Now go sniff you finger and rejoin your World of Warcraft game.

And read all your syllabi you got for your MWFs today.

sexcerpts

Freud?

sexcerpts

Freud?

#186 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

So much beer he's afraid to go to bed and face the wife

On the other hand, we laugh at idiots like you who make asses out of themselves when they comment on a thread started by AU. Media Matters? BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

#36 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-08-23 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Excuse me? Are you not commenting on the same thread?

Also, are you going to deny that FACTS because you don't like the source? There's video proof cupcake....yet I'm the idiot?

Hell, John Kerry changed his mind as often as he changed his underwear.

#30 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2010-08-23 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

John Kerry changed his mind on a WAR! A war in which he realized thousands of soldiers lives would be lost.

Are you still bashing Kerry for not wanting this to happen?

Loser Ingram, well, she changed her mind regarding a Community Center when she realized it could be a wedge issue. How courageous of her!

Also, are you going to deny that FACTS because you don't like the source? There's video proof cupcake....yet I'm the idiot?

#187 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-08-24 02:35 AM

Yes you are an idiot if you think this is a real story. Seeing as you want to defend AU and his decision to put this garbage up as a thread, point out where in the video or transcripts Beck praised the Imam. AU didn't have the guts, and since you feel the need to back this story, maybe you can answer for him. Sadly, MM wasted the resources to make a weak conclusion that a couple of hand gestures and a nod prove Beck called the Imam a moderate. To stretch that into "praise" is fucking laughable and desperate.

appeared to gesture

CRISPEE sure spends a lot of time whining about a thread with video.

Where's her phony outrage at the slew of "Obama's a Secret Muslim" and other right wing BS threads? *Crickets*

CRISPEE sure spends a lot of time whining about a thread with video.

Where's her phony outrage at the slew of "Obama's a Secret Muslim" and other right wing BS threads? *Crickets*

#191 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-08-24 02:59 PM

In other words, you can't justify your stupid headline that Beck "Praised" the Imam? To quote Vincent LaGuardia Gambini... "I'm finished with this guy."

Last I looked I didn't start some RW BS thread. How does acting like a little bitch change your gaffe?

Sometimes sites like this (Media Matters) really do show their true colors. I often will click on a link start reading and think what the heck this crap. Then I look up to see it is the Huffington Post or Media Matters.

Is Glenn Beck crazy? Yes. Do you people not even understand his opening radio announcement. "The Fusion of Entertainment and Enlightenment" he is an entertainer. He spins truth in an entertaining way. Same as Jon Stewart.

Hey lets make some more obscure assumptions. Check out 2:29 he gestures at the imam as a hijacker, at 2:42 he gestures toward the imam calling him a cancer, at 3:35 he gestures toward Diane S. and wants to destroy her, at 3:53 he passes gas, at 4:25 he tells Diane she needs breast implants, at 4:49 he wants to slice up a pizza, 5:16 he wants to kill everyone in mosques (those are words not gestures), at 6:07 the Imam is challenging Glenn to a boxing match.

Man actually after watching this video I would think Glenn hates the imam and the imam hates Glenn.

AmericanUnity,

Why did you just spend the last 40 posts or so defending Rauf? Don't you have better things to do than to defend someone who is quickly becoming (or already is) an enemy of the American people.

He lied about us when addressing an audience in another country and then you expect the American people to accept him? In addition, he very insulting!! Why doesn't he realize it and back down?

BTW, I am not defending Beck!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

Beck is an entertainer who is cashing in on his act!

I am however, successfully making fun of everyone who is bickering their Successful? You don't even know that I'm making fun of you until you realize that Beck is just an entertainer. I wouldn't be so mean if you dumbasses would just back off every once and a while and be honest about your mistakes.

You take Beck seriously. It's not funny, it's really sad!

I'm sorry Eddie did I ruin your afternoon by dropping the ball about Glenn being an entertainer?

In other words, you can't justify your stupid headline that Beck "Praised" the Imam? To quote Vincent LaGuardia Gambini... "I'm finished with this guy."

#192 | Posted by crispee_oc

You made your point Crispee.

AU spent the last 20 hours or so making a complete ass of himself as usual, with some cameos from Doc and others. Hans, I'll go easy on you. All you did was deflect and run away.

None of you idiots have been able to explain what Beck did wrong!

That's all I want you to do!!

Eddie I know what he did wrong. Watch 3:53 he shifts to pass gas.

The Imam on the other hand tried to start a fist fight.

I'm sorry Eddie did I ruin your afternoon by dropping the ball about Glenn being an entertainer?

#196 | Posted by jdfolkerts

What are you talking about?

Eddie I know what he did wrong. Watch 3:53 he shifts to pass gas.

#198 | Posted by jdfolkerts

LOL, I noticed a post you made earlier with a few timestamps and I didn't give it much thought and now I'm glad I didn't waste the time going back and looking.

LOL...

Funny though.

You take Beck seriously. It's not funny, it's really sad!

#195 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-08-24 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

I know, huh?

I wonder why they would take him seriously. It's not like his TV show is on a Network with the name 'News' right in it...... oh....wait....it is.

i don't much agreement between them at all. unless you believe that Hitler was good Christian. neeed i point out which one comes across as wishing he held the trigger to a super weapon?

@ #9, nothing at all wrong what is that article, said by the Imam. those are facts, not opinion, dumbass.

Commonsense

Please everyone with any intelligence knows that Fox has right leaning OP-ED columns. Just like MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN all have left leaning (ad a few neutral) columns.